Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back to Bescher Happy Hour. I'm Joe
Speaker 1: and we are here today with Jill. Jill, welcome back
Speaker 1: to Bechler Happy Hour.
Speaker 2: Thank you. It is fabulous to be here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been a while. When was the last time
Speaker 1: we had you on? What was it for? Do you remember?
Speaker 2: I have no idea?
Speaker 1: Did co hosts?
Speaker 2: Uh? Well? Yeah, then you were gallivanting for a little
Speaker 2: bit and I took over. So yeah, I've been really
Speaker 2: picking up a lot of your slack.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3: Well what are you doing? You left Jill hanging all alone?
Speaker 1: I think I had some other people. I think I
Speaker 1: was on the goat at the time.
Speaker 3: Yeah he was, he was, Yes, I see, I see.
Speaker 1: Moving on from that, Jill, we saw you in I
Speaker 1: think Newport a while back, right, was it that we
Speaker 1: saw you? And you I remember you had a boyfriend
Speaker 1: that had a mustache.
Speaker 2: Yes, very good, that's right.
Speaker 1: Okay, what happened to that boyfriend?
Speaker 2: Well you could probably hell, he dumped me at the
Speaker 2: beginning of the year.
Speaker 4: At the beginning of this year, yes, yeah, okay, right, okay,
Speaker 4: so tough start to the year, but you know, we
Speaker 4: turned it around.
Speaker 3: Kind of paradise.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, if you want it. That's a good way
Speaker 2: to put it. Yeah, I mean, but honestly, like after
Speaker 2: that relationship, it took me probably about like thirty seconds
Speaker 2: to get over it. So sorry, but like I was,
Speaker 2: so it was it was time. It was like actually
Speaker 2: a really good positive thing.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's good.
Speaker 1: Okay. So then so then leading up, so break up
Speaker 1: beginning of the year, vechlor of Paradise. People don't leave
Speaker 1: I think like till end of May.
Speaker 3: Ish, No, it was earlier this year.
Speaker 2: It was earlier than April.
Speaker 1: Okay, were you dating in that period?
Speaker 2: No? God, no, no, no, I wouldn't dare No, I'm
Speaker 2: not interested in like we'll get into the whole thing.
Speaker 3: But no, well let's get into it.
Speaker 4: I'm not interested in dating off of reality television.
Speaker 2: Oh I don't date muggles. No, I'm kidding. No, it's
Speaker 2: just so sick and twisted out there, Like I wasn't
Speaker 2: going to do the dating apps. I haven't been on
Speaker 2: the dating apps since I was in college, and.
Speaker 1: So and also like oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's what I call non bad like non
Speaker 2: Magic Bachelor Nation people's muggles. But no, I actually should
Speaker 2: only exclusively date muggles. But yeah, it just the dating
Speaker 2: world is really bad, and especially in Newport, it's like
Speaker 2: I know everybody, it seems, and so I didn't want
Speaker 2: to get on the apps. I was just like in
Speaker 2: my I was like hot girls summer, hot girl summer loading.
Speaker 2: And actually Bachelor Paradise called me two weeks after I
Speaker 2: got dumped, so I was like, eyes on the prize, baby,
Speaker 2: eyes on the prize.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's crazy. Wow, they were fast. How did you
Speaker 4: meet your ex?
Speaker 2: Then? Oh I met him through my mom. My mom
Speaker 2: set us up.
Speaker 3: Okay, crazy, that's amazing.
Speaker 1: I knew that.
Speaker 3: Yes, I do remember you saying this.
Speaker 4: So you get dumped, your like, this sucks, but for
Speaker 4: the best. And then you answer the phone and they're like, hey,
Speaker 4: Jill Rumor has it you're single?
Speaker 3: Do you want to come back? What was your initial reaction?
Speaker 2: I said, I'll take the coal. You know, I'll take
Speaker 2: the coal. But I you know, obviously you guys have
Speaker 2: been to Paradise like in that, you know, in play
Speaker 2: Esque and data, and so my last experience, I wouldn't say,
Speaker 2: was like gleaming. So I was a little hesitant to
Speaker 2: say yes and no. Also, I'm like more established in
Speaker 2: my career, I have like a more serious job, and
Speaker 2: so I was like, I don't know if they would
Speaker 2: even allow me the time off to do this. So
Speaker 2: it was definitely a conversation, like multiple conversations had to
Speaker 2: be had, many of them just in my own brain
Speaker 2: of like do I want to put myself through this again?
Speaker 2: But once I heard like it was going to be
Speaker 2: in a new place and they were going to shake
Speaker 2: things up, and they promised me, they promise missed me
Speaker 2: older more established men with jobs, job's, and that was
Speaker 2: not the case. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like you're not the first person that's
Speaker 4: come on here and said that they made some promises
Speaker 4: that they didn't deliver on with the older men. Well,
Speaker 4: I think I think they did deliver, but it is
Speaker 4: not enough for all the women that they promised them to.
Speaker 2: Right Exactly, Like there was like it was one guy.
Speaker 2: It was Dale, that was the guy that was him,
Speaker 2: And you know, i'd seen Dale in like the Lifetime movies,
Speaker 2: and you know, I just knew like Dale and I
Speaker 2: weren't going to buy. But like they're like, there's older
Speaker 2: men there. Okay, Well I didn't mean the Goldens. If
Speaker 2: I'm being frank, like they did deliver on the older men,
Speaker 2: but I'm not, like I wasn't thinking that old, although
Speaker 2: like my range is like thirty five to coffin lately,
Speaker 2: So I mean, yeah, I just they did the old
Speaker 2: bait and switch, but it got me.
Speaker 1: There was there anyone that you were hoping to see
Speaker 1: down there?
Speaker 2: Yes, dearly deeply of course. Yes, LS there's two people
Speaker 2: one and like both are like reaches for sure. But
Speaker 2: on the last season of Paradise, I fumbled alex Boardie
Speaker 2: so hard.
Speaker 4: Yes, I remember him, like that's the guy, like that
Speaker 4: is Wait, really.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I would have put you two together.
Speaker 2: No one would. But it's perfect he knows. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: we've like be spoken on the phone. We text, like
Speaker 2: not regularly, but like we check in with each other
Speaker 2: like me and probably more in my part. But no,
Speaker 2: I I think it would work. Give me ten minutes
Speaker 2: the through with alex BOARDI I can make something.
Speaker 1: Well, why why haven't you guys made it? Like an attempt?
Speaker 2: He's not he has he's got walls up. He's Russian,
Speaker 2: he's got walls up. He's very like you are here,
Speaker 2: I am there, I and I like there was I
Speaker 2: tried to, you know, I tried to slip in, and
Speaker 2: then once I saw there was a little resistance, I'm like,
Speaker 2: you know what, it's fine, It'll just stay a crush.
Speaker 1: It was where does he live?
Speaker 2: He lives in Detroit, Okay, and you are in Rhode Island.
Speaker 4: But you were probably thinking, like, if you can get
Speaker 4: us down here on a beach for three weeks, I
Speaker 4: can make some shit happen.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Who was the other guy?
Speaker 2: The other guy is? I don't think I've ever said
Speaker 2: this ever in my life, but there's this guy who
Speaker 2: was a night warner on Michelle season, and I think
Speaker 2: we would actually work. Like this is someone I'm like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: like this is like a stable guy. He's I mean,
Speaker 2: he's tall, he's gorgeous, former football player, it seems Brian witzman,
Speaker 2: he's so tall.
Speaker 3: Is this the guy from Chicago? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Clay you know him? Yeah, I know him, And
Speaker 1: he was just no, I like him. He's really nice.
Speaker 1: He was just on vacation with Clay, who I saw
Speaker 1: because they had a layover in New York for like
Speaker 1: twenty four hours, so I went out to dinner. But yeah,
Speaker 1: they were just on vacation. Song that's dinner with Yeah,
Speaker 1: Brian wasn't there, Brian, it was it was Clay, another guy,
Speaker 1: and then Brian was not there. But Brian was on
Speaker 1: vacation with them. So he's a big guy. He's tall.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I need a big boy.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: No, we've never met, but we like chatted in the dms.
Speaker 2: We've chat in the dams.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I mean I could put the word in
Speaker 1: if you if you'd like, I don't know, but like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody, please anybody. I'm like, but he's like the
Speaker 2: type of person established normal, like he seems the good values.
Speaker 2: Like that's that, that's my vibe, right, Like I need
Speaker 2: this is how I describe my person It's like they
Speaker 2: need to be like like the core of the earth
Speaker 2: and like I'm just like the little that like you know,
Speaker 2: I need like a tether to reality.
Speaker 4: Okay, I was gonna ask you you have such personality,
Speaker 4: Like how are you looking for a guy that like
Speaker 4: also has that personality?
Speaker 3: Are you looking for someone more grounded?
Speaker 2: And like, oh, I need someone grounded. I need someone
Speaker 2: who I need a balance and I need to be
Speaker 2: like the funny one I need to be. You know,
Speaker 2: Joe's sex and right.
Speaker 1: Now, come on, I could get this going. You want
Speaker 1: me to get this going, I'm not as well, right
Speaker 1: please see?
Speaker 2: Like so yeah, no, and I would love someone personality
Speaker 2: They have to think I'm funny though, like period, Like
Speaker 2: you know, I do need someone more grounded, because like
Speaker 2: I look at my sister and my brother in law
Speaker 2: and I'm like, that's what I need.
Speaker 3: Okay, gotcha?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's not fun if you're like, I have
Speaker 4: such personality and you're not giggling at my jokes.
Speaker 2: Right, No, totally. And some people just don't get it either,
Speaker 2: because there obviously is more like beneath the surface, but
Speaker 2: this is just you know, it's who I am.
Speaker 3: All right, I love that.
Speaker 4: Well, while Joe tries to set you up with a
Speaker 4: future husband, let's get into how did you prep for Paradise?
Speaker 4: How are you feeling going into it? Because I feel
Speaker 4: like they actually didn't get into this enough while you
Speaker 4: were on the show that you had been down to
Speaker 4: Paradise before and you kind of had like a whole
Speaker 4: situ suation down there, and I feel like that kind
Speaker 4: of we just moved past that on this season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I okay, So I'm very well medicated now,
Speaker 2: thank you so. And also just like being in a
Speaker 2: two year relationship, we'll do that to you. Like I
Speaker 2: genuinely thought I was gonna settle down with this person,
Speaker 2: and so I had never like left that space of
Speaker 2: like I'm ready for the next step. And so you know,
Speaker 2: I think touching grass and like getting you know, really
Speaker 2: seeing what I want in a partner prepared me. Because
Speaker 2: there's some people that like, even like I meet or
Speaker 2: my friends, will they propose to me, Like, oh what
Speaker 2: about this person? I'm like, if that was twenty two,
Speaker 2: I'd ride this till the wheel fall off. But I'm
Speaker 2: like thirty, and I'm looking for something a little more serious.
Speaker 2: And so you know, obviously you learn a lot of
Speaker 2: lessons when you're in paradise, like not everything is like
Speaker 2: life or death. I was definitely thinking like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: like if I get eliminated, Jesse's gonna shoot me out
Speaker 2: back and no one will ever see me ever again.
Speaker 2: So like I just learned like it's really not that serious,
Speaker 2: and we're supposed to here for fun, and it's supposed
Speaker 2: to be fun and you're supposed to get to know people,
Speaker 2: and so I just wanted to get to know everybody,
Speaker 2: because I should have given everyone a fair shake last time.
Speaker 4: And last time you came in kind of in like
Speaker 4: a preset love triangle with Romeo, right.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that was weird. Congratulations just had a baby
Speaker 2: love that perum.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I forgot that.
Speaker 4: I feel like I did hear that. That's why baba,
Speaker 4: congrats to Romeo on fatherhood. Going in this time. Who
Speaker 4: did you know, Like, was there anyone where you were like, oh,
Speaker 4: we've met, have my eyes on them?
Speaker 3: Or were you like, no, I'm not doing that again.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, I was like I'm not doing that again.
Speaker 2: No one also like really piqued my interest. This is
Speaker 2: no offense to anybody, Like, no one was really like
Speaker 2: piquing my interest. And I so like the people i'd
Speaker 2: met with obviously, like Justin Andrew, Like I didn't know
Speaker 2: Andrew was going to be there. Justin I had a
Speaker 2: better idea that was going to be there. So like
Speaker 2: he was a friendly face. I knew of Spencer. I'd
Speaker 2: never met him or spoken to him. Jonathan, and this
Speaker 2: is one thing I want to clear. Jonathan said that
Speaker 2: we had met before I've never met Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so you got you never met because it
Speaker 1: was did he say you guys were like had a friendship.
Speaker 3: Said that we had met.
Speaker 2: No, he said that we had met. I wrote it
Speaker 2: down in my notes.
Speaker 3: Okay, I remember him saying.
Speaker 2: No, he said we had met Jill. He said I
Speaker 2: met Jill once before. That's not true. I spoke to
Speaker 2: him on the phone through Rachel. But like, I've never
Speaker 2: met that man.
Speaker 3: Okay, So we're is a loose term.
Speaker 1: So I would I would like if if we had
Speaker 1: spoken on the phone.
Speaker 4: FaceTime or audio audio audio, if we had spoken on
Speaker 4: the phone, I could potentially say.
Speaker 2: That or like I know her, you can say I
Speaker 2: know her, I.
Speaker 1: Would say we spoke on the I would probably just
Speaker 1: like I spoke I never met her on a phone call.
Speaker 2: But yeah, like we've spoken before. Yeah, that's why I've
Speaker 2: never met that man in my life. Okay, okay, Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I really didn't know who was going to be there,
Speaker 2: and I you know, I know I know of everybody,
Speaker 2: you know everyone in the niche, but you don't, you know.
Speaker 3: Talk to everybody.
Speaker 1: You were you happy about the new setting and the
Speaker 1: living conditions when you got there.
Speaker 2: I was so happy seeing the beds and feeling the
Speaker 2: ac was just like the food was great, Like the
Speaker 2: whole setup was just at first. Honestly, when I walked in,
Speaker 2: I was like, do I talk to you? What do
Speaker 2: I do? No, it's telling me about to do anything.
Speaker 2: I'm like, it was a little it was an adjustment
Speaker 2: for me coming from like the Old Guard and also
Speaker 2: just like the noise from the waves, like it adds.
Speaker 2: But I walked in, I literally was like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: it's really quiet because it was weird, like the setting
Speaker 2: took a little bit to adjust to, like this like
Speaker 2: kind of villa esque, but oh my god, it was
Speaker 2: so nice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we were saying it was really giving, like bachelor
Speaker 4: in resort, like you're taking away like that very heavy,
Speaker 4: beachy feeling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which was like I was definitely was not a sandy,
Speaker 2: but I would have preferred like some like some white noise,
Speaker 2: you know, because it could get a little quiet, a
Speaker 2: little quiet.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I did like falling asleep to the ways and the
Speaker 4: sounds of nature in Paradise.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, Okay, So you you get a date card, correct, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you take Jonathan. Yeah okay, so the what like
Speaker 1: the perception of why you took him and why he
Speaker 1: said he would go was because you guys had it?
Speaker 1: Was it like friendly, like we're friends, let's yeah, let's
Speaker 1: just was that. Were you on the same page with that?
Speaker 2: Yes, we were totally on the same page because when
Speaker 2: I got the date card, I look like angry because
Speaker 2: I'm like looking at as Susie's and she had the
Speaker 2: jet Ski and I had this like little thing like
Speaker 2: the BP suite and I was like, oh, what the
Speaker 2: because I was going to take Justin. I said Justin.
Speaker 2: I was like, Justin, if I get this diate card,
Speaker 2: you want to go and be like we'll just have fun.
Speaker 2: Like I was literally just looking. I was looking around
Speaker 2: and I was like, I'm there's nobody here for me
Speaker 2: to take, so Justin, like please your my friend? And
Speaker 2: he said well, he said, well we'll see was on
Speaker 2: that date card because you know you probably wanted to
Speaker 2: go jet skiings. I was like, damn it, like I
Speaker 2: can't take Justin now. So I was looking for another
Speaker 2: friendly face and Jonathan and I had spoken before, and
Speaker 2: so I went up to him and I was like,
Speaker 2: you know what, like I know you're with Alex. I
Speaker 2: don't want to step on me toes like, will you
Speaker 2: be my friend? Will you be my friend? And he
Speaker 2: but then he was acting like, you know, it was
Speaker 2: like Dog's Last Cheeseburger vibe, Like he was like, if
Speaker 2: this is Joel's lasted paradise, I'm gonna make it the
Speaker 2: best day ever. And I'm like, okay, damn, Like that
Speaker 2: was crazy, but but I was happy to go with
Speaker 2: him as friends. I knew it was friendly. I knew
Speaker 2: it was just friends.
Speaker 3: So sorry, I'm gonna like cry.
Speaker 1: Laughing at that person.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, I'm sorry, I'm laughing right now.
Speaker 3: But like, literally, that is what he was doing.
Speaker 2: He was doing dogs Last Day on Earth, like I'm
Speaker 2: a like appointments book, I've got to be euthanized.
Speaker 3: Like, I'm sorry. That was so funny.
Speaker 4: And I was trying to hold it in because I
Speaker 4: didn't want to be rude, but like that's literally what
Speaker 4: was happening.
Speaker 1: Okay, So all right, And then does were there any
Speaker 1: romantic sparks at all on that date or after that date?
Speaker 1: What I mean, like, get into that relationship a little bit,
Speaker 1: because then, yeah, you.
Speaker 3: Go on this date, you're twisting it up.
Speaker 4: There's like a kiss share because you know, you're on
Speaker 4: top of each other and on a date on the Bachelor,
Speaker 4: but like I was just trying to you know, give
Speaker 4: He's just trying to give me the last day of
Speaker 4: your life, trying.
Speaker 2: To get me my last cheeseburger. So I was like,
Speaker 2: so on a date the whole time, even like the producers,
Speaker 2: everyone was like, what's going on here? Like it's this friends,
Speaker 2: Like it's just just friends and I So everyone was like,
Speaker 2: what's going on? And I said, I don't know. I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 4: But when he kissed you, was that when like the
Speaker 4: confusing point came in. I mean yeah, like because like
Speaker 4: the overall vibes of the date, it felt like it
Speaker 4: was going in a more romantic direction than you would
Speaker 4: expected it too.
Speaker 2: Like there was obviously like good banter, like that was
Speaker 2: our first time like really spending time with each other,
Speaker 2: like one on one, and so I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: like this is cool, like maybe there's a possibility, but
Speaker 2: like we're just friends. So I don't know. No one
Speaker 2: wants to broach that topic, right. There's a song that
Speaker 2: I really loved and says Friendship's ruined with just one kiss,
Speaker 2: and so I remember laying there and you know, the
Speaker 2: prompt was like kiss the body part and I remember
Speaker 2: thinking in my head, he's going to kiss my knee
Speaker 2: because it's the closest thing to him. And he says, well,
Speaker 2: I guess well because you're on the lips.
Speaker 3: I said, oh okay, wait is that how it went down?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Wait? Why did I not? That didn't register in my brain.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's a kiss a body part.
Speaker 4: When he was on the podcast, the way he was
Speaker 4: explaining it to me, I guess I interpreted it as like, oh,
Speaker 4: we're we were supposed to kiss, and we were like, oh,
Speaker 4: we're friends, we can kiss.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, it said kiss a body part. And
Speaker 2: I thought he was going to kiss my knee because
Speaker 2: literally it was the closest thing to him. And I
Speaker 2: remember thinking that. And then he kissed my lips and
Speaker 2: I was like oh. He was like okay, so and
Speaker 2: he said and then he said on your podcast, he says,
Speaker 2: you know we kiss friends on the lips. Brother what Yeah?
Speaker 3: He was like, friends kiss, like we can kill our
Speaker 3: friends on the lip.
Speaker 2: Ari Like, I I don't like maybe my friends I've
Speaker 2: been best friends with since I was like five years old,
Speaker 2: but like, I just met you, homie, we're on a
Speaker 2: dating show. What do you think we're doing yeah. So
Speaker 2: and then in his interviews it was even more confusing
Speaker 2: to me because like you obviously see how this progresses,
Speaker 2: and like in his interviews, he's like, we're kind of
Speaker 2: riding the line between flirty and friendly and blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, okay, so I wasn't crazy.
Speaker 4: So I wasn't crazy, No, And it did translate that
Speaker 4: you guys were writing the line between flirty and friendly.
Speaker 2: Right, And then like what you didn't see was like
Speaker 2: there was we had like a thirty like thirty to
Speaker 2: forty minute conversation. We're just sitting there like getting kind
Speaker 2: of like deep, like we're kind of getting into it
Speaker 2: with like the serious conversations. And I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is like really good. Like I'm we're friends, but
Speaker 2: we're I still didn't know where we stood after the date,
Speaker 2: but like obviously there's roses on the table, and like
Speaker 2: I'm gonna try, right, Like I'm gonna at least try.
Speaker 2: So I just let him know, Hey, if you're interested,
Speaker 2: I know you're with Alex, like no pressure, but if
Speaker 2: you're into it, I'm into it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you regret at all maybe going in there,
Speaker 1: like basically saying like, hey, this is just a friendly date,
Speaker 1: like do you want to do this? Would you do?
Speaker 1: You kind of wish you would have just went in there,
Speaker 1: like I'm just gonna take a shot and if something's
Speaker 1: outs there.
Speaker 2: No, no, because I mean he also set those parameters
Speaker 2: as well, like he said, you know, I think it's
Speaker 2: going to be more friendly. He said it was giving
Speaker 2: like he felt bad for me and he wanted to
Speaker 2: give me like this nice date. So I just rolled
Speaker 2: with that. I wasn't gonna put any more pressure on
Speaker 2: it because I again, I didn't want to step on
Speaker 2: any toes, even though you supposed to do that, but
Speaker 2: like I didn't really want to and I didn't want
Speaker 2: to like insert myself, and so I knew it was
Speaker 2: just gonna be friends and that was fine with me.
Speaker 1: Whatever were you were you at all like considering just
Speaker 1: leaving just like I got down there, I'm not interested
Speaker 1: in anyone. I have this day card. There's no one
Speaker 1: I want to bring. I'm leaving.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No. When the first night that I got there,
Speaker 2: I walked about to my room crying, and I was
Speaker 2: gonna self eliminate before like during the rose ceremony. But
Speaker 2: then that was my plan. I was just gonna go home.
Speaker 2: I was gonna self eliminate. I was like gonna interrupt
Speaker 2: and be like, hey, guys, like I'm just gonna go.
Speaker 2: But then Jonathan said that that thing to me before
Speaker 2: the Rose ceremony, which gave me like a little bit
Speaker 2: of hope. Yeah. I was like, you know, let's just
Speaker 2: like roll the dice and see what happens. But apparently
Speaker 2: that's not what he meant.
Speaker 3: I guess well, and I think it is.
Speaker 4: A For part one of what you said, I feel
Speaker 4: like everyone coupled up crazy fast this season, like usually
Speaker 4: when you come down when you and Susie did, Like
Speaker 4: there's still a decent amount of guys that either like
Speaker 4: their connection went home or their connection has jumped to
Speaker 4: someone else and.
Speaker 3: They've like opened up for availability.
Speaker 4: Like we're seeing so many couples right out of the gate,
Speaker 4: which makes it way harder for people coming in obviously.
Speaker 4: And then to the second part of what you're saying
Speaker 4: with Jonathan, I think it's im important information that maybe
Speaker 4: I didn't realize. I feel like watching it, you guys
Speaker 4: kept saying like we're friends, We're friends. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: these guys are like friends, but you are just like
Speaker 4: you've met and you've locked into the friend zone. It's
Speaker 4: not like you have this like relationship where it's like
Speaker 4: it would be weird for us to date now because
Speaker 4: we've met a couple times, like I've met on the
Speaker 4: phone one time you came in and yes, you're going
Speaker 4: on to say as friends, but I can now understand
Speaker 4: how you were maybe thinking maybe a connection could be developed.
Speaker 2: And also, like I was going off of the information
Speaker 2: that I was given, Like the information that I was
Speaker 2: given was how he was acting towards me. I guess
Speaker 2: he's a really flirty person, and that's just like not
Speaker 2: necessarily who I am. And as this like kind of
Speaker 2: develops like this, like you know, whatever our argument was develops,
Speaker 2: you kind of see that Jonathan considers friends something that
Speaker 2: I necessarily don't consider friends, and so like you can
Speaker 2: kiss your friends, Okay, that's not really how I see it,
Speaker 2: like you know, And then he said, you're making my
Speaker 2: decision harder and that whole thing, and so I was
Speaker 2: going off the informal that I was given was that, oh,
Speaker 2: there was something about our conversation and about our connection
Speaker 2: that was making his decision harder. How else was I
Speaker 2: supposed to interpret that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think that's I think that's how.
Speaker 2: You should And I do see his perspective, like I
Speaker 2: see his perspective where like, oh, I had this connection
Speaker 2: that I didn't have with Alex, but it wasn't specifically
Speaker 2: about Jill. But I didn't specifically say that, like I
Speaker 2: can understand where a miscommunication could happen. But just like
Speaker 2: after that conversation on the day bed, that was it
Speaker 2: for me. I was just like, Okay, clear it up, understood, Well,
Speaker 2: I have a connection.
Speaker 1: He didn't have a connection with Alex either, like he
Speaker 1: did not have a connection with Alex.
Speaker 2: No, not not really, No.
Speaker 3: Had they like ended at that point.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember, yes, yeah, they had ended, and
Speaker 2: so that's why I was confused. I was like, I
Speaker 2: have the rose and no one's pursuing me. I was like,
Speaker 2: that's really strange, Like Jonathan's not putting in any effort
Speaker 2: even as friends. Do you think I wanted to give
Speaker 2: my rose to Sean? No, like I would have much
Speaker 2: read I'm no stranger to a friend rose, like if
Speaker 2: Jonathan is truly there for me, Because I did feel
Speaker 2: like a connection to Jonathan like if it's just on
Speaker 2: an emotional level, that's fine. But I felt more of
Speaker 2: a connection towards Jonathan than I did towards Sean, and
Speaker 2: he could have gotten that rose, but he was putting
Speaker 2: in no effort. And I remember Dale saying clothes, mouse
Speaker 2: don't get fed, and I said, bery it, bear it,
Speaker 2: gock it, like go down right, So it's like right, closed,
Speaker 2: mouse don't get fed. Sean's at least putting an effort,
Speaker 2: even if it's like just to get the rose. I mean,
Speaker 2: he's putting an effort. I gotta reward that. I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna reward something that's like not serving me, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you're probably looking at Sean like all right,
Speaker 4: you're at least trying. You're showing that you want to
Speaker 4: be here, even if it's not with me, and like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you deserve the opportunity to then stay and like keep
Speaker 4: putting that effort. Hopefully someone will come down that you're like,
Speaker 4: you know, ready to go for.
Speaker 2: Right, like you're playing ball. Like Jonathan, it didn't seem
Speaker 2: like he he wanted to stay almost And some of
Speaker 2: the things he said to me were like a little disparaging,
Speaker 2: Like he was saying that like he insinuated that I
Speaker 2: was a charity case, Like, well, I did something really
Speaker 2: nice for you, so you should be nice to me, brother,
Speaker 2: what Like it was so confusing. I'm just like wow,
Speaker 2: Like that was not really nice of you to say, Like,
Speaker 2: I'm not a charity case. I'm not pining after you specifically,
Speaker 2: I'm just expecting like clear communication. It was bizarre.
Speaker 4: Let's dive into the conversation between you guys at the bar. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it was giving like like he'd had a few drinks.
Speaker 4: You guys had had a few drinks and like you
Speaker 4: just could not get the communication. No, I I know,
Speaker 4: I mean you have it on the show. I'm just
Speaker 4: saying like the communication was so disconnected, like I felt.
Speaker 3: That No, I knew you guys weren't drug.
Speaker 4: I was just providing like a visual like it was
Speaker 4: a bar, like what's happening here?
Speaker 3: Like it is not clicking between these two people.
Speaker 2: No, it's not clicking, because so I was. When I
Speaker 2: walked by, I said I was going to bed. I
Speaker 2: was saying my good nights, and he told me, he says,
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry, And I said why because truly I
Speaker 2: had been over it. Why are you apologizing to me.
Speaker 2: There's nothing to apologize for, right, Like, I'm over it,
Speaker 2: I debit it. Let's just say I edit it. And
Speaker 2: so he's bringing it back up. And at one point
Speaker 2: in the conversation, I said, Jonathan, is this apology more
Speaker 2: for yours it for me? Because I don't need an apology.
Speaker 2: It sounds like you're trying to right the wrong of
Speaker 2: like you coming off as you know. However you're coming off,
Speaker 2: you're not feeling secured in the way that ended, and
Speaker 2: I have to now provide that for you. It's not
Speaker 2: an apology for me. It's an apology so you can
Speaker 2: feel better. That's what I gleaned from the conversation. And
Speaker 2: he was getting emotional, and I was like, well, what's
Speaker 2: going on here? Like why are you feeling emotional about this?
Speaker 2: There's nothing to like. I don't feel negatively towards you.
Speaker 2: Am I a little confused and annoyed, sure, but I
Speaker 2: don't feel And I think what happened was like he
Speaker 2: had said that, you know, like the way that we
Speaker 2: see friends clearly didn't. He was like, well, you're you're
Speaker 2: acting a different way towards me. Well, yes, because I
Speaker 2: treat my romantic partners, my potential romantic partners differently than
Speaker 2: I treat my friends, And so I don't think he
Speaker 2: was like comfortable with that.
Speaker 4: Do you think he had a sense of guilt and
Speaker 4: was like worried, Like, oh no, Joel thinks I'm like
Speaker 4: a bad guy, and I don't want her to think
Speaker 4: that about me, and I want us to be on
Speaker 4: good terms. And like thought from that conversation that you
Speaker 4: were going to be like it's all good. I think
Speaker 4: you're amazing, were great, and like because you weren't really
Speaker 4: giving that to him, he just kind of like kept going.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he like kept going. And like the thing with
Speaker 2: me is like once I find out something about a person,
Speaker 2: I do It's not like I hold a grudge, but
Speaker 2: I'm just like that's in my head. I don't have
Speaker 2: to like love everybody dearly. And I just honestly needed
Speaker 2: space from that because the information that I was given
Speaker 2: was not clear information. And so I'm not gonna keep
Speaker 2: putting my energy and time into a relationship that is
Speaker 2: not like serving me, especially after you say some like
Speaker 2: weird things to me, acting like I'm charity, acting like
Speaker 2: I should be grateful that I took you on this date.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I should be so grateful that you
Speaker 2: went on the date with me. Like he was almost
Speaker 2: making me feel like I was I should be like
Speaker 2: thanking him and I should be which is like, dude,
Speaker 2: how oh yeah, how awful it was has spend time
Speaker 2: with me? How terrible. I'm so sorry you had to
Speaker 2: do that and play twister. I mean, I kind of am,
Speaker 2: but like it was just he was making me the
Speaker 2: whole time. I felt crazy. The whole time, I felt crazy,
Speaker 2: and the messages were not getting through.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think do you think he was also
Speaker 1: worried about how he was going to be perceived from
Speaker 1: the audience.
Speaker 2: Do you think that that is the main that is
Speaker 2: the main reason that I believe I don't think he
Speaker 2: actually cares about me, because he hasn't reached out to
Speaker 2: me since, and so like, fine, fine, fine, fine, but
Speaker 2: like I know that you to be you're you're the
Speaker 2: good guy. I said, certified good guy. I rescind that certification.
Speaker 2: Not because I don't think that he has like the
Speaker 2: potential to be like a good guy, but I think
Speaker 2: he's so worried about how he's perceived rather than the
Speaker 2: actual feelings. Because I didn't need that apology, like he
Speaker 2: needed to sit with that, like sit with the discomfort
Speaker 2: and like the way he's being, you know, the way
Speaker 2: he's moving rather than the way I'm feeling I can
Speaker 2: feel ever I want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we see that more, like as years
Speaker 1: go on, more people that come on reality TV in general,
Speaker 1: but like especially The Bachelor, it seems like people like
Speaker 1: if they get labeled the good guy or the good woman,
Speaker 1: like they really want to hold on to that or
Speaker 1: harness that, and they get so worried that that's gonna
Speaker 1: fall apart.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it even be more of a microskill if
Speaker 4: he doesn't want his friends and.
Speaker 3: The people there that he's been in Coney with or
Speaker 3: Jill to think he's a bad guy.
Speaker 2: For sure, totally totally. I fully understand that I've never
Speaker 2: personally had that because I've never been the good guy
Speaker 2: or the good girl, so I'm not like but I
Speaker 2: can totally understand that. And I would have thought, I
Speaker 2: would still have like thought that he was a good
Speaker 2: guy if he had just come to me and been
Speaker 2: honest and not tried to flip my words and not
Speaker 2: try to manipulate me into thinking that I should be
Speaker 2: grateful or that I made me feel like I'm a
Speaker 2: charity case or you know, X Y and Z, I
Speaker 2: would have still thought that. Never he said that I
Speaker 2: was questioning his intentions when I asked, why are you apologizing?
Speaker 2: And I said, no, I wasn't questioning your intentions. I
Speaker 2: was just simply asking why do you feel the need
Speaker 2: to apologize, because I don't feel like there's a need
Speaker 2: to apologize. But like every little thing that I said
Speaker 2: was like, I'm gonna flip it. I'm gonna flip it.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna flip it. And that's weird to me. That's strange.
Speaker 2: And I don't know what you're doing because you're supposed
Speaker 2: to be wanting a rose from me, I guess, but
Speaker 2: like you're not acting like it.
Speaker 3: It was so weird.
Speaker 2: It was so strange.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a deep lack of compatibility between the two
Speaker 4: of you as fur romantic partners.
Speaker 2: No, absolutely, And I'm fine with, like you know, I'm
Speaker 2: fine with like letting it go and letting that like
Speaker 2: be in the past, and like I wish you all
Speaker 2: the best. God blast, but don't try to make me
Speaker 2: feel like a charity case. Don't put that on me.
Speaker 2: That's weird. It's not fair.
Speaker 1: We see this week you self eliminate. Congrats, way to go.
Speaker 1: I know I love you. Do you regret it? Do
Speaker 1: you regret it at all? Like what was going through
Speaker 1: your head? Or were you just fed up of just
Speaker 1: my person is definitely not here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know one thing about me. I'm not going
Speaker 2: to overstay my welcome like I'm gonna go. I had
Speaker 2: the writing was on the wall, and like I knew
Speaker 2: when I know it's my time to go when I
Speaker 2: lose my sparkle because I am not an insecure person
Speaker 2: outside of this environment. I'm not going to seek fallady
Speaker 2: from men who see me only as a friend when
Speaker 2: I know I deserve more. I know that my guy's
Speaker 2: not coming. Alex Boord, he's at home in Detroit. You know,
Speaker 2: you know Brian Witzman or whatever his last name is
Speaker 2: is in Chicago. He's not a good so thank you, Joseph.
Speaker 2: But like you know, so, I I just knew that
Speaker 2: my time was up because everyone was just like I'm like,
Speaker 2: why are guys acting weird towards me? Like there were times,
Speaker 2: which is really sad, there were times when I saw
Speaker 2: all the couples together and I was like supposed to
Speaker 2: meet a couple with Sean, and I felt so weird
Speaker 2: and I didn't want to interrupt theirs that I would
Speaker 2: literally go to the bathroom or like go to my
Speaker 2: room and sit in my room like that sucks and
Speaker 2: I'm not that way in real life. I'm not like,
Speaker 2: I mean, I could catch a guy any day of
Speaker 2: the week if I really wanted. Is he going to
Speaker 2: be quality? Probably not? But like, I'm not that person
Speaker 2: outside of this, and so I'm not going to stay
Speaker 2: somewhere where I know that the reason why I came
Speaker 2: here wasn't to like, hey, be on TV play survivor,
Speaker 2: you know, like I I'm going to gonna go am
Speaker 2: I here?
Speaker 4: It is like I am still I guess, just shocked
Speaker 4: by the fact that it's so couplely so early, Like was.
Speaker 3: It like that?
Speaker 1: I don't know why you keep saying that, because.
Speaker 4: I just feel like, and I mean, I only have
Speaker 4: our experience to go off of, and look, we obviously
Speaker 4: coupled up early, so it sounds like ironic for me
Speaker 4: to say this, But we were all still hanging out
Speaker 4: very like cohesively as a group or in little groups.
Speaker 4: It wasn't like two too too too, everyone was coupled
Speaker 4: up all of only.
Speaker 1: The only strong couple on this beach right now currently
Speaker 1: is Spencer and Jazz, Spencer and Jezz.
Speaker 3: There's barely and Jeremy Bailey and Jeremy.
Speaker 4: But I would say, I guess it's not the it's
Speaker 4: not how many strong couples they are, it's how isolated
Speaker 4: the hangouts for the couples are. Maybe that's the new
Speaker 4: like location and it just makes it easier to do that.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, like everyone would be around the
Speaker 2: bar like with their person and so like I was,
Speaker 2: you know, hanging out with the Goldens and I was
Speaker 2: like third wheeling Cat and Dale like nobody's business and like,
Speaker 2: but again I just don't want to like insert myself
Speaker 2: when like you're trying to connect and I know my
Speaker 2: person's not going to be here. I say, you know,
Speaker 2: I know I'm an acquired taste, like acquire some taste PayPal,
Speaker 2: Like I know I'm an acquired taste. And that's like
Speaker 2: beautiful that I love that about myself and I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna change. But like I can know we know the
Speaker 2: people in vaccal nation, who the fuck is coming down?
Speaker 2: No one? And so I'm just not gonna and especially
Speaker 2: when like Alicia came in, I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: she's gorgeous. I'm I'm toast, you know, like there's no
Speaker 2: reason for me to be here here though.
Speaker 1: Did you care that Shawn was gonna potentially go talk
Speaker 1: to Alicia? Did that bother you at all?
Speaker 2: No? Okay, No, what bothered me was that April was
Speaker 2: stealing all of my men. Like what bothered me was like,
Speaker 2: you know, everyone's doing their cute little thing with their
Speaker 2: person for the Birds of Paradise and Shan shows April.
Speaker 2: I was like, what I mean, but entertaining. No, that
Speaker 2: that was like the nail in the coffin for me,
Speaker 2: Like the coffin could not flow even if you tried,
Speaker 2: but they're like there were many nails in the coffin.
Speaker 2: But that was like, Okay, there's someone here for him.
Speaker 2: He's in a good spot. I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I guess. I mean, I don't want
Speaker 1: to blame it, like you said, kind of like on
Speaker 1: the setting, because I just feel like that it's it
Speaker 1: just seems maybe it's just the people, but I will
Speaker 1: see so just men. Well, no, because even on our
Speaker 1: season of paradise. There was more just like group hangouts.
Speaker 4: It was usually boys were hanging combos, you know, Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was, it really was. It very seldomly was just
Speaker 1: like a couple paired off in this couple corner, a
Speaker 1: couple paired off in that corner. Like that really wasn't
Speaker 1: a thing to.
Speaker 3: Like be the end.
Speaker 4: And then yeah, yeah, but that makes it a it's
Speaker 4: already hard. I feel like to be in your situation
Speaker 4: where you're like I'm single down here and everyone's coupled up,
Speaker 4: and then b to feel like you're probably just kind
Speaker 4: of feeling awkward on a low level at all times
Speaker 4: in terms of moving around the space.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like also like no offense, Like all
Speaker 2: of those guys are great, but they're not my guy.
Speaker 2: Like I'm not like me, me can make something work
Speaker 2: with Brian, I'm not doing that. Maybe makes some big
Speaker 2: work Dale, I'm not doing that. Like I there there
Speaker 2: was truly no one that I could see anything with,
Speaker 2: and I was wasting my time and I was wasting
Speaker 2: their time. And I was like from trying to get
Speaker 2: their validation, which is so ill. Why am I doing that?
Speaker 2: Like I was feeling worse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think I think they just need they
Speaker 1: just need more more contestants down there. I think it
Speaker 1: gets to a point where because you're not the only one,
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's been a few this season that's
Speaker 1: just like, well fuck, there's nobody either, there's no one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no slim Pickens.
Speaker 2: Yeah there was slim Pickens because because and I understand
Speaker 2: that they had to make room for the Goldens, right,
Speaker 2: and so because normally there's like twelve guys, but this
Speaker 2: time there were six, and so I was like, ooh, bloodbath.
Speaker 2: Every week four people are going home. Yikes. And also
Speaker 2: like I had twenty four hours to make a connection.
Speaker 2: And that's not a lie. That is exactly how much
Speaker 2: time I had, so coming down Like normally, like the
Speaker 2: Old Guard, you would have three or four days to
Speaker 2: make something happen. No, no, I had twenty four hours.
Speaker 2: So that really sucked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you really need to get like there really needs
Speaker 1: to be a lot of luck involved.
Speaker 2: In a lot of luck, right, Like making a connection
Speaker 2: down there is like catching lightning in a bottle, like
Speaker 2: and especially for someone like me who's not like a
Speaker 2: like heavy hitteror like whoa like Susie. You know, it's
Speaker 2: like Susie and then Jill like, I hope you're hungry
Speaker 2: for nothing, Like that's what I felt like when I
Speaker 2: walked in. I was like, oh my god, sorry, guys,
Speaker 2: Like it was strange, it was weird.
Speaker 4: Yeah, how did you feel after you left finding out
Speaker 4: that the format was going to do a bit of
Speaker 4: a pivot and half a million dollars was involved, because
Speaker 4: we see that at the teaser for the rest of
Speaker 4: the season at the end of the episode, after you've
Speaker 4: sent yourself home.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I don't care. Like I'm the least competitive
Speaker 2: person ever. I'm like, do I want half a million dollars?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: But do do I want to go through the means
Speaker 2: to get that? And like make a fake couple with whoever?
Speaker 2: Who was I even going to couple up with? Like
Speaker 2: if there was someone there that I could genuinely see
Speaker 2: something with, yeah, sure, darn that sucks, But like there
Speaker 2: was no way to get to the half a million dollars.
Speaker 2: There was no path to get there, so I.
Speaker 4: Didn't really care, right, that makes sense, Like if I'm Susie,
Speaker 4: M'd be like, maybe I should answer Jeremy's call a
Speaker 4: little differently, But like in your situation, you're like, I
Speaker 4: would have literally been stuck with coupled up with someone
Speaker 4: that I had genuinely no hrmantic interest in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, why am I going to do that? Yeah? That
Speaker 2: would be hell on earth for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really fair.
Speaker 1: Jill. That's it. We're running out of time. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for coming on. Always always a pleasure talking
Speaker 1: to you. I don't think you'll go back on this show.
Speaker 2: I don't think I will either, but anybody else hit
Speaker 2: me up, you know.
Speaker 1: Yep, Jill, thank you so much for taking the time.
Speaker 1: We really appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Thank you guys, Thank you, Hey, Joe, follow up on
Speaker 2: that for me.
Speaker 1: I will yeah. Well, And to all our listeners, thank
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