WEBVTT - Why the Iran War Could Shock African Economies

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. As the war in

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<v Speaker 1>Iran continues, global economies are bracing for the economic fallout.

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<v Speaker 2>The United States and its partners have launched Operation Epic Fury,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the largest, most complex, most overwhelming military offensives

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<v Speaker 2>the world has ever seen. Nobody's seen anything like it.

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<v Speaker 1>With oil and gas prices rising sharply, African countries could

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<v Speaker 1>be among those facing and inflation shock.

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<v Speaker 3>You have a major energy for the facility in Katar close,

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<v Speaker 3>the largest in Katar. You have, of course, that refinery

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<v Speaker 3>in Saudi Arabia at least closed temporarily. The inflation question

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<v Speaker 3>and the inflation shock is now being priced into these markets.

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<v Speaker 2>If it becomes prolonged, then all bets world Today.

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<v Speaker 1>On today's podcast, we'll look at what the conflict is

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<v Speaker 1>doing to energy prices and supply and what the hit

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<v Speaker 1>could be for African economies. I'm Jennifer Zabasaja and this

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<v Speaker 1>is the Next Africa Podcast, bringing you one story each

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<v Speaker 1>week from the continent driving the future of global growth

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<v Speaker 1>with the context only Bloomberg can provide. Joining me today

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<v Speaker 1>is Bloomberg's Asia Energy reporter Steven Stepchinski, and also Bloomberg Economics,

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<v Speaker 1>Africa Economists von Mango. Thank you both so much for

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<v Speaker 1>joining me. I know it's been quite a busy week

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<v Speaker 1>for the whole newsroom, but especially the two of you.

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<v Speaker 1>So appreciate your time. Steven, let's just start with you,

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<v Speaker 1>because you look very closely at the dynamics in the

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<v Speaker 1>energy sector. Give us a picture of what we had

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<v Speaker 1>been seeing with oil prices in the last few weeks

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<v Speaker 1>in the lead up to the eventual escalation that we

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<v Speaker 1>saw in the Middle East last weekend.

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<v Speaker 4>I think the oil market over the last few weeks

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<v Speaker 4>before this weekend was affecting something. You know, when you

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<v Speaker 4>talk to the traders, they were talking about the build

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<v Speaker 4>up of the military force, right the largest US military

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<v Speaker 4>force in the Middle East in decades. They were looking

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<v Speaker 4>at the rhetoric, they were looking at the negotiations happening

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<v Speaker 4>and the failure to make a deal multiple times. So

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<v Speaker 4>I think the oil market when you look at the prices,

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<v Speaker 4>oil prices kind of continuously rose from from late December

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<v Speaker 4>into January and into February were slowly kind of stepping

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<v Speaker 4>up higher and higher with this anticipation that if a

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<v Speaker 4>deal wasn't done, every time they went to the negotiating table,

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<v Speaker 4>then maybe you could see some sort of strike on Iran,

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<v Speaker 4>and no one knew exactly the level of the strike.

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<v Speaker 4>But especially I think when the State of the Union

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<v Speaker 4>happened and Trump said that he would never allow Iran

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<v Speaker 4>to have nuclear weapons. People in the market talked to

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<v Speaker 4>me and they said that's when they really saw, Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>maybe something would be happening. It was, of course a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of guesswork. But in the end, the market did

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<v Speaker 4>continue to rise ahead of all of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Where have we seen the prices really rising substantially? Because

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like for a while we had been talking

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<v Speaker 1>about incremental rises right, a bit of range bound in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of Brent crude.

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<v Speaker 5>But where have you.

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<v Speaker 1>Seen the most substantial rises and prices in the energy

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<v Speaker 1>market that we should be focused on.

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<v Speaker 4>There are a number of different places, right. Brent is

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<v Speaker 4>a global benchmark, It's trade has very liquid, it can

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<v Speaker 4>be sometimes quite volatile. But you're right, the prices haven't

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<v Speaker 4>been out of sight increases. You know, you've seen incremental

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<v Speaker 4>increases of seven for today it's up two point eight percent.

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<v Speaker 4>There are other markets that are a bit more crazy.

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<v Speaker 4>Jet fuel prices in Singapore have really searched the highest

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<v Speaker 4>level in years. You're also looking at different types of

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<v Speaker 4>prices for the ships themselves to rent to ship the

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<v Speaker 4>prices are rising to the highest level in years. And

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<v Speaker 4>then also look at natural gas. Look fight natural gas

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<v Speaker 4>prices have surged quite significantly, about more than fifty percent

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<v Speaker 4>over the last three days, and that's the European benchmark

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<v Speaker 4>and the Asian benchmark. And that increase is quite interesting

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<v Speaker 4>because unlike the oil market, which I think was anticipating

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<v Speaker 4>some sort of strike for Iran, had not actually been increasing.

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<v Speaker 4>The gas market, I think, interestingly enough, had somewhat discounted

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<v Speaker 4>that something would happen and wasn't expecting some sort of

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<v Speaker 4>large impact that we're seeing today with the Strait of

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<v Speaker 4>Horror moves getting shut and the closure of Qatar's largest

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<v Speaker 4>lique financial gas export facility. So all of that together

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<v Speaker 4>has made gas one of the more interesting parts of

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<v Speaker 4>the market.

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<v Speaker 1>You talk about the straight of horror moves, Stephen, is

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<v Speaker 1>that the route that the energy market is most fixated

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<v Speaker 1>on in terms of the risk to prices going higher.

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<v Speaker 5>What else?

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<v Speaker 1>What are the other routes potentially that we should be

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<v Speaker 1>focused on.

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<v Speaker 4>I think the oil market and gas market too, are

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<v Speaker 4>focused on two things. One straight of hor moos. Like

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<v Speaker 4>you said, it's it's the key conduit for a fifth

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<v Speaker 4>of both oil and gas seaborne supply, but also the region.

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<v Speaker 6>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>So what's been very different about this strike in this

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<v Speaker 4>conflict versus previous ones is that it isn't just a

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<v Speaker 4>tit for tat sort of thing between Iran and Israel.

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<v Speaker 4>This is spreading to the wider region, and Iran is

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<v Speaker 4>hitting countries that many thought where they're you know, sort

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<v Speaker 4>of their allies or their friends in the region. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>talking Qatar, UAE and also Saudi Arabia. They're antagonizing their neighbors.

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<v Speaker 4>So the market is looking at okay, if there are

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<v Speaker 4>some drone strikes on Saudi Aramco's largest refinery, what is

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<v Speaker 4>the impact there? They've shut it down? How long will

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<v Speaker 4>be shut down? Is it damage? Can it come back quickly?

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<v Speaker 4>Same with Katar. They hit their largest Lick Fi natural

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<v Speaker 4>gas export facility. It supplies twenty percent of global LNG supply.

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<v Speaker 4>That was shut down. How long will that shut out?

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<v Speaker 4>How long does it take to restart fourteen LNG production trains?

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<v Speaker 4>So what's kind of interesting about this conflict is that

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<v Speaker 4>the straight of Hormos. Theoretically, if there was a piece deal,

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<v Speaker 4>you could kind of resume traffic pretty quickly if there

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<v Speaker 4>were assurances from the US, if something happened, and then

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<v Speaker 4>the trade could resumes and everything's back to normal. But

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<v Speaker 4>if infrastructure is hit, if a pipeline is hit, if

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<v Speaker 4>i Raq is taking offline their largest oil field, suddenly

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<v Speaker 4>things get a bit more complicated. Actual barrels aren't making

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<v Speaker 4>its way into the market, and if there's damage, how

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<v Speaker 4>long does that repair take? Are we talking days, weeks, months?

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<v Speaker 4>There are a lot of unknowns and as every day

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<v Speaker 4>that this continues, the risk premium kind of chugs along

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<v Speaker 4>and gets higher.

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<v Speaker 5>And Ivon, I'd like you to jump in here.

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<v Speaker 1>You've been looking at the impact that this could potentially

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<v Speaker 1>have across the African continent, especially as it pertains to

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<v Speaker 1>higher energy prices. As Steven was just mentioning there, what

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<v Speaker 1>has been your focus over the past few days.

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<v Speaker 6>So a few things divide the African continent, like a

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<v Speaker 6>surge in the ore price, and the reason for that

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<v Speaker 6>is because we're primarily export as commodities and we import

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<v Speaker 6>almost all our refined petroleum needs on the continent. So

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<v Speaker 6>such a significant increase in your price, of course, will

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<v Speaker 6>benefit our all exporters in particular countries such as Nigeria

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<v Speaker 6>and Angola. Angola in particular, we've looked. We estimated what

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<v Speaker 6>a twenty dollar increase in the barrel increase in your

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<v Speaker 6>price could mean, so in the case of Angola, that

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<v Speaker 6>could improve its current account balance by as much as

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<v Speaker 6>three percent of GDP, so it's quite significant. However, the

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<v Speaker 6>majority of African countries are net all importers, so unfortunately

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<v Speaker 6>this is negative for the majority of the continent. Countries

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<v Speaker 6>like South Africa and Kenya will be hit on the

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<v Speaker 6>external balances side by as much as one percent of

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<v Speaker 6>GDP on their current account as a result of such

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<v Speaker 6>a significant searche in the old price, assuming of course

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<v Speaker 6>prices remain at these levels. Aside from the trade channel,

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<v Speaker 6>we're concerned about what it means for inflation. Africa generally

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<v Speaker 6>enjoyed this inflation new trend over the past couple of

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<v Speaker 6>years that's allowed countries to reduce their inflation targets or

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<v Speaker 6>contributed to that in the case of South Africa, it

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<v Speaker 6>supported reduction of interest rates across the board. This is

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<v Speaker 6>of course, following that shop tightening when we had Russia

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<v Speaker 6>attack Ukraine and grain prices went up. So now since

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<v Speaker 6>then we've seen inflation come down nicely and interest rates

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<v Speaker 6>start to follow. Unfortunately, such a huge search in your

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<v Speaker 6>price does imply that this inflation trend will be halted

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<v Speaker 6>and interest rates may also come back onto the table

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<v Speaker 6>as an option for central banks.

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<v Speaker 5>And Von Stephen stick with us.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to take a quick break and when we

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<v Speaker 1>come back, we're going to dig into more about what

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<v Speaker 1>this could mean for African economies and how long lasting

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<v Speaker 1>this shock could actually be.

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<v Speaker 5>We'll be right back.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back. Today we're looking at the impact of the

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<v Speaker 1>war and Iran on energy prices. Steven Stepchynsky and Evon

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<v Speaker 1>Mango are still with me, Yvon. Let's just take South Africa,

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<v Speaker 1>because of course we know that has been the country's

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<v Speaker 1>been in focus recently came out with their budget just

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<v Speaker 1>a few days ago, had talked about turning around the

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<v Speaker 1>corner on a lot of the past troubles for the economy.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this going to undo a lot of the work

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<v Speaker 1>that the SARB and the government has really done to

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<v Speaker 1>get inflation under control.

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<v Speaker 6>So yes, you raise a good point in that and

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<v Speaker 6>we are at a positive point in terms of the

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<v Speaker 6>macro turnaround that we're anticipating. The growth is lagging. However,

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<v Speaker 6>I do think the buffers that have been put in

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<v Speaker 6>place will help in terms of mitigating the impact of

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<v Speaker 6>a high old price. An example of such a buffer

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<v Speaker 6>is the primary budget surplus that the government has accumulated

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<v Speaker 6>over the past three years, so first time in several

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<v Speaker 6>years that we actually have a primary surflus and that

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<v Speaker 6>should help in terms of mitigating the impact on the

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<v Speaker 6>fiscus on the current account. The upside that's to show

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<v Speaker 6>that the upside of having a free floating currency at

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<v Speaker 6>SO Africa does, which is a minority on the continent,

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<v Speaker 6>is that it behaves as a shock absorber. So what

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<v Speaker 6>you should see is that demand for imports should compress

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<v Speaker 6>as a round weekends on the back of a weak

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<v Speaker 6>external position, and that should help mitigate the impact on

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<v Speaker 6>the external side of the economy.

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<v Speaker 1>Interestingly, we heard the DJ of the Treasury we talk

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<v Speaker 1>about how potentially commodity exports and gold could potentially also

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<v Speaker 1>provide some of that buffer for South.

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<v Speaker 5>Africa, Yvon.

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<v Speaker 1>When we look at let's just bruden it back out

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<v Speaker 1>to the continent and talk about so many impacts potentially

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<v Speaker 1>on the bond market. Have we seen any significant shifts

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<v Speaker 1>higher yields as a result of the increased escalation in

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<v Speaker 1>the Middle East across African bond market?

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<v Speaker 6>So following the initial strikes at the weekend and on Monday, yes,

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<v Speaker 6>we did see the spreads between bond yields for African

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<v Speaker 6>sovereign bonds and US treasuries widen as we saw risk

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<v Speaker 6>of sentiments take off globally. As we move forward, of course,

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<v Speaker 6>I think what you see as investors will become a

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<v Speaker 6>bit more discerning. I think you'll see when they look

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<v Speaker 6>at just at their Africa portfolio. That's the all exporters

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<v Speaker 6>that are bond issuers will see their bund ye olds ease.

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<v Speaker 6>And the examples of those are the likes of Nigeria,

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<v Speaker 6>debon the Republic of Congo. In this environment, those countries

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<v Speaker 6>should benefit on the back of a higher ol price.

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<v Speaker 6>Where you're going to see more skepticism or concern is

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<v Speaker 6>countries that are all important.

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<v Speaker 1>Steven, Let's just let's bring you back in because it

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<v Speaker 1>really seems like the energy sector, the oil brank crud

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<v Speaker 1>is really what to watch here. I've seen a number

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<v Speaker 1>of forecasts for how high this could potentially go. What

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<v Speaker 1>are you looking at in terms of the prices for

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<v Speaker 1>brank crud and potentially what the next catalyst could be

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<v Speaker 1>to creep higher if we are even headed to one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred or higher, as some analysts are pointing out, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Mean, I think anything is possible, right I think if

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<v Speaker 4>you asked me last week or two weeks ago if

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<v Speaker 4>we would see an effective shut to the strait of

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<v Speaker 4>her moves, I would say the likelihood of that is

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<v Speaker 4>pretty low. But now we're seeing it. So we're in

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<v Speaker 4>uncharted territories. This has never happened, and so I think

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<v Speaker 4>there are a few things to watch out for him. Yes,

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<v Speaker 4>with Brent right now around eighty three eighty four dollars

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<v Speaker 4>per barrel, so we're not at one hundred dollars yet,

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<v Speaker 4>but there is a chance where if this continues and

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<v Speaker 4>if certain things happen, we could be our way to

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<v Speaker 4>one hundred dollars or go above one hundred dollars one

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<v Speaker 4>if there is some major damage to infrastructure right now,

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<v Speaker 4>there have been some refinery shut some pipelines you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I think targeted, but overall oil is still largely pumping.

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<v Speaker 4>There has been some shutdowns in a Raq, but even

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<v Speaker 4>when you look at the ship tracking data and satellites,

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<v Speaker 4>some analysts are saying that Iran is still exporting oil.

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<v Speaker 4>So oil is still making its way into the market.

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<v Speaker 4>But if you were to see any major impact in

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<v Speaker 4>Saudi Arabia's ability to produce, or even Iran or other

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<v Speaker 4>countries in the region, I think that starts to creep

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<v Speaker 4>up a bit more if you start to see another

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<v Speaker 4>breakdown in the talks. Right I think yesterday the New

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<v Speaker 4>York Times reported that there were some back channels between

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<v Speaker 4>Iran and the US for a potential piece deal. You

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<v Speaker 4>saw Brent and gas prices kind of fall a little bit,

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<v Speaker 4>but then Brent kind of made up some of those losses.

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<v Speaker 4>If we now see that there's a total breakdown discussions,

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<v Speaker 4>or if rhetoric from Trump changes, you could see prices

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<v Speaker 4>rise again, and then you also see potentially a bidding

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<v Speaker 4>up of prices from Asia. Right now, I think Asian

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<v Speaker 4>customers are somewhat calm. Asia is the biggest buyer of

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<v Speaker 4>this Middle Eastern oil, but yet you're not really getting

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<v Speaker 4>the sense of panic that you're getting, for example, in

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<v Speaker 4>the natural gas market. So if you do start to

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<v Speaker 4>see people fighting over shipments. If you were to have

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<v Speaker 4>what I would call a price war over deliveries that

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<v Speaker 4>are on the market and taking up that spare supply,

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<v Speaker 4>and you see the oil on the water start to shrink,

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<v Speaker 4>then you could see again prices run. But what's interesting

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<v Speaker 4>about the oil market at the moment is we were

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<v Speaker 4>supposed to enter year of an oversupply. There's quite a

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<v Speaker 4>bit of oil available, so with the glut, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>still there. If there were a piece deal, I think

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<v Speaker 4>quickly you would see a lot of the ste fleet.

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<v Speaker 1>Which, Yeah, that's a really good point that you bring up.

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<v Speaker 1>We went into twenty twenty six talking about oversupply Ivon

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<v Speaker 1>Is that similar to you?

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<v Speaker 5>Is that sort of what you're focused.

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<v Speaker 1>On really the price of crude and where it goes

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<v Speaker 1>next and how that could trickle down to the African economies.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes.

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<v Speaker 6>I think our assumption, who you look at the fundamentals,

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<v Speaker 6>is that there's an abundance of supply and that we

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<v Speaker 6>expected in the absence of a conflict, we expected the

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<v Speaker 6>oil price to main flat, if not cool. So a

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<v Speaker 6>lot depends on the locativity of the conflict and whether

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<v Speaker 6>indeed the strait of almost remains shut for an extended period,

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<v Speaker 6>but the fundamentals outside the walls suggests that we should

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<v Speaker 6>have a cooler energy prices which would benefit the majority

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<v Speaker 6>of the continent.

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<v Speaker 1>Still quite a bit of unknowns, but we appreciate the

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<v Speaker 1>two of you joining us this week to break what

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<v Speaker 1>we do know at this point in time. Steven Stepchynski

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<v Speaker 1>and Ivon Mango, thank you both so much for joining

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<v Speaker 1>us this week, and you can, of course read all

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<v Speaker 1>of our coverage on the war in Iran across Bloomberg platforms.

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<v Speaker 1>Now here's some of the other stories we've been following

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<v Speaker 1>across the region this week. Dan Gote Cement, Africa's biggest

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<v Speaker 1>producer of the building material, will spend one billion dollars

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<v Speaker 1>to boost capacity over the next four years as infrastructure

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<v Speaker 1>construction spurs demand. And Nigeria brought the timetable for next

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<v Speaker 1>year's election forward and announced new rules that appear to

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<v Speaker 1>catch the opposition off guard. Presidential and National Assembly elections

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<v Speaker 1>will be held on January sixteenth, twenty twenty seven, roughly

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<v Speaker 1>a month earlier than was previously scheduled, the Independent National

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<v Speaker 1>Electoral Commission said, and you can follow these stories across

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg including the next African newsletter.

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<v Speaker 5>Will put a link to that in the show.

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<v Speaker 1>This program was produced by Adrian Bradley and tiwa Adebayo.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't forget to follow and review the show wherever you

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<v Speaker 1>usually get your podcasts. I'm Jennifer's Abisaja. Thanks as always

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