WEBVTT - On the Ground at Defend the Atlanta Forest: Part Two

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to It could happen Here. I'm Garrison Davis

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<v Speaker 1>and this is part two of the two part mini

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<v Speaker 1>series on the Defend the Forest movement in Atlanta, Georgia.

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<v Speaker 1>Last month, I traveled to Atlanta to stay a week

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<v Speaker 1>in the woods and talk with some of the Forest Defenders.

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<v Speaker 1>In the previous episode, I covered the movement from its

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<v Speaker 1>inception to where the city council approved the Cops City

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<v Speaker 1>project near the end of last summer. I went over

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of historical background between the land itself and

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<v Speaker 1>the history there, the increasing gentrification of Atlanta, how the

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<v Speaker 1>movement pulled the veil off the secretive plans for Cops

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<v Speaker 1>City and pushed it into the public spotlight. We talked

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<v Speaker 1>about the early days of sabotage and the targeting of

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<v Speaker 1>individuals and positions of power. Basically, I did a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of a lot of talking, maybe maybe too much talking.

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<v Speaker 1>This episode will be more led by the discussions with

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<v Speaker 1>force defenders that I had during my week long excursion

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<v Speaker 1>to woods. We'll learn about how the movement evolved in

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<v Speaker 1>the wake of the city council vote up until the

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<v Speaker 1>current state of affairs. One thing that makes to defend

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<v Speaker 1>the Atlanta forest movement very different from previous eco defense

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<v Speaker 1>projects in recent memory is that it's right in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of a sprawling metropolitan area. Right outside the forest

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<v Speaker 1>is an Amazon facility. Downtown Atlanta is just a ten

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<v Speaker 1>minute drive away. We'll be talking tactics a bit later

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<v Speaker 1>on in the episode, but just the simple nature of

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<v Speaker 1>doing a forest eco defense project while still inside the

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<v Speaker 1>city gives a lot of pretty interesting tactical opportunities. You

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<v Speaker 1>have to selectively use some of the older, more rule

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<v Speaker 1>eco defensive strategies while having the backing of a city

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<v Speaker 1>based mutual aid network. There's the option of rapid response

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<v Speaker 1>popular mobilization that city based protests can have but are

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<v Speaker 1>more challenging for EQO defense stuff that's like three hours

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<v Speaker 1>into the middle of nowhere. For the people camping in

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<v Speaker 1>the forest, they can easily get supplies or switch out

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<v Speaker 1>who's staying in the woods and who's living in the city.

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<v Speaker 1>The combination of forest and urban prompts and necessitates the

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<v Speaker 1>crucial experimentation and innovation that's been badly needed in eco

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<v Speaker 1>defense projects and protests for the past decade. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of trams to go by here. It's definitally pretty morvy.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's definitely the most urban forest defense I've ever

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<v Speaker 1>been a party of. But it's really beautiful and unique

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<v Speaker 1>to see a lot of urban folks people live in

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<v Speaker 1>the city be able to be involved in like urban

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<v Speaker 1>tactics kind of mixing with you more traditional what a

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<v Speaker 1>how that means any more earth firsty forest tactics. It's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like the rule book and a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people say this, but like it's all repeated. The quote

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<v Speaker 1>unquote rule book for how to engage with the multiple

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<v Speaker 1>enemies in this area has been like chewed up, spit out, shadow,

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<v Speaker 1>and burnt over because it we're kind of doing something

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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't really happen a lot. Something similar I can

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<v Speaker 1>think of is the Sacred Oak Groove that was being

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<v Speaker 1>protected in Minneapolis in the nineties, and that was another

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<v Speaker 1>kind of anarchist and genous alliance the first presence. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of one of the more urban in this

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<v Speaker 1>part of Turtle Island struggles I can think of this.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think another interesting part is like a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of force defense stuff is focused on like old growth,

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<v Speaker 1>being like we should defend it because it's old growth. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is not an old growth. This is like a messy,

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<v Speaker 1>dirty um confusing. I've gotten lost so many times. It's yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's tires, there's barrels, or it was built on the

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<v Speaker 1>prison farm. You'll find like old portions of the prison

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<v Speaker 1>which is incredibly funked up and haunted. Right, Like in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of like haunting is like there's the specter of

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<v Speaker 1>what used to be there. Police are trying to build

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<v Speaker 1>over it with their more like a bomb range, right,

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<v Speaker 1>It's like that's very much like they're just building over

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<v Speaker 1>the thing. Um. But it doesn't need to be old

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<v Speaker 1>growth to be worth defending. And that's an idea that

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<v Speaker 1>I think people need to understand more. Is like it

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<v Speaker 1>has value even if it's not like five hundred years old,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it has value despite not despite being one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>year old old forest, and it's because it is in

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<v Speaker 1>one forest. Like it has value because it is a

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<v Speaker 1>forest in a city, and that's something that's worth like emphasizing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I also think that's cool. And like people talk a

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<v Speaker 1>lot about like invasive plants and there's like I think

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<v Speaker 1>the Branford pairs in this forest are a really interesting example.

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<v Speaker 1>There are these trees that are like feral they used

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<v Speaker 1>to be part like planted here when it was a

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<v Speaker 1>um the farm plantation or whatever. And um, those trees

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<v Speaker 1>are fucking spiky, fine trees. They're spiking and ship well

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, the good news is they're awful, and

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<v Speaker 1>the bad news is they're awful. Like I know where

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<v Speaker 1>there are when I haul ass in the forest, I

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<v Speaker 1>usually don't get Bradford pair in my eye, but um,

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<v Speaker 1>but someone chasing me, well yeah, and and so it's

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<v Speaker 1>just it's cool to kind of interact with all these

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<v Speaker 1>things and get to choose how you want to interact

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<v Speaker 1>and like, yeah, is a um, you know, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's interesting. It's not yeah, like a traditional forest or

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<v Speaker 1>like whatever forest that people would value in that way. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but for me, I connect to it, I think even

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<v Speaker 1>more than that, because it's not this like held up

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<v Speaker 1>is this thing of like purity, like they fucking buildoz

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<v Speaker 1>and like a month later that ship was overgrown you

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't see it again. And that was all quote unquote

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<v Speaker 1>invasive plants like whatever funk that means, which is often

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<v Speaker 1>that's the whole thing. They're often racialized plants. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's almost like a punk forest. It's like we're

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<v Speaker 1>surrounded by enemies and that is the problem is um

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<v Speaker 1>they see this as a cess pool. And something I

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<v Speaker 1>talked to a lot of liberals about, like when they're taught,

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking them about defend the forest, like, oh, is

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<v Speaker 1>it a pristine wilderness with large old growth trees, and like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, that would be cool. The problem is

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<v Speaker 1>this forest needs to be allowed to return to that

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<v Speaker 1>because there's been so much abuse and part of like

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<v Speaker 1>whether I don't know what it insta quote, but there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of little winds and a lot of winds.

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<v Speaker 1>There is some big they're legally supposed to leave all

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<v Speaker 1>the big trees by the creek from what historical um, president,

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<v Speaker 1>do we trust the cops to quote unquote be accountable

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<v Speaker 1>to anyone? I don't know where we're thinking that will happen.

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<v Speaker 1>I've had a lot of people be like, oh, some

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<v Speaker 1>of these tree houses are strategic in the spots they

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<v Speaker 1>can't get friends. I've looked at the map and it

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<v Speaker 1>looks like this whole motherfucking play is Society for clear Cutting.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly one month after the city Council voted to approve

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<v Speaker 1>the land Ley's Ordinance for cops city that defend the

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<v Speaker 1>force slogan was put to the test. On October, contractors

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<v Speaker 1>and land survey workers showed up around the forest and

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<v Speaker 1>appeared to be clearing land to take reference photos and

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<v Speaker 1>collect soil samples. Two dozen Force defenders emerged from the

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<v Speaker 1>woods and confronted the workers people hired to destroy the forest,

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<v Speaker 1>fled the work site and act they left. Police surveillance

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<v Speaker 1>tower in the area was toppled and the force defenders

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<v Speaker 1>were able to disperse with no arrests. Ten days later,

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<v Speaker 1>a similar turn of events took place. A group of

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<v Speaker 1>survey workers and construction teams were on site. Again a

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<v Speaker 1>small group of rapid response Force defenders who disrupted the

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<v Speaker 1>surveying and ground clearing at the old Atlanta Prison Farm.

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<v Speaker 1>Simply the mere threat of an on site protest shut

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<v Speaker 1>down construction for the whole day. Key access points for

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<v Speaker 1>machinery were blocked using available materials like piles of nearby tires,

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<v Speaker 1>preventing vehicular machinery from moving freely through the destruction site.

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<v Speaker 1>No construction occurred, despite the attempts of the Decab County

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<v Speaker 1>Police and the Atlanta Police Department, who mobilized twenty vehicles

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<v Speaker 1>in the vicinity of the forest in an effort to

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<v Speaker 1>prevent the protest or punish the participants. By the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the day, no one was arrested, and yet again

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<v Speaker 1>select monitoring systems and police surveillance towers were toppled and dismantled.

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<v Speaker 1>A statement released online from anonymous force defenders read quote,

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<v Speaker 1>this war will be one, one battle at a time.

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<v Speaker 1>Pressure must continue in a variety of ways to halt

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<v Speaker 1>all construction. It became clear that for the next phase

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<v Speaker 1>of the struggle to defend the force, people would have

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<v Speaker 1>to directly target and oppose the contracting companies hired to

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<v Speaker 1>decimate the woods and build the facilities. Today we know

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<v Speaker 1>of at least three companies that have been contracted by

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<v Speaker 1>the Atlanta Police Foundation to do work on the old

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<v Speaker 1>prison farm land. Some of the surveying work appears to

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<v Speaker 1>be done by Long Engineering, and two companies, Reaves Young

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<v Speaker 1>Construction and Brass Fielding Gorri, were hired to do grounds

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<v Speaker 1>clearing and early construction. It is not yet clear who

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<v Speaker 1>will be contracted to clear the land in Entrenchment Creek Park,

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<v Speaker 1>where Black Hole Studios hopes to expand their sound stage.

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<v Speaker 1>Again quoting the Crime Think article, the City in the Forest,

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<v Speaker 1>reinventing resistance for an age of climate crisis and police militarization. Quote.

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<v Speaker 1>The information that is known to date was hard won

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<v Speaker 1>by diligent activists on the ground. Shortly after the city

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<v Speaker 1>council voted in September, surveyors and small work crews began

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<v Speaker 1>entering the site near two key roads. The trucks and

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<v Speaker 1>uniforms revealed the names of the contractors, which once again

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<v Speaker 1>gave opponents of the Cops City project a chance to

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<v Speaker 1>initiate a struggle on their own terms. Had the force

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<v Speaker 1>defenders utilized only virtual or bureaucratic channels to collect information,

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<v Speaker 1>they might not have learned that Reeves Young were being

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<v Speaker 1>called in to do the actual destruction until it was

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<v Speaker 1>publicly announced much later. The ability to break news to

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<v Speaker 1>the public before the city government has been a consistent

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<v Speaker 1>advantage in trying to keep the momentum of the movement going.

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<v Speaker 1>Post the city council vote, a second Week of Action

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<v Speaker 1>was planned for November, albeit with some new twists. From

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<v Speaker 1>November tenth through, various groups organized a wide range of

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<v Speaker 1>cultural events, info nites, bonfires, and meetings for this week

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<v Speaker 1>of action. Many of these events occurred in or near

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<v Speaker 1>a publicly advertised encampment on the Entrenchment Creek Park side

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<v Speaker 1>of the forest. Days after the second week of action,

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<v Speaker 1>thirty people converged on the Reeves Young Construction headquarters in

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<v Speaker 1>sugar Hill, Georgia, forty miles outside of Atlanta, holding banners

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<v Speaker 1>and demanding that the company severed their contract with the

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<v Speaker 1>Atlanta Police Foundation. The group was able to walk right

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<v Speaker 1>into the offices, disrupting a board meeting involving company president

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<v Speaker 1>Dean Reeves and CEO Eric Young. Initially, the executives tried

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<v Speaker 1>to keep their cool, but in short time the businessmen

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<v Speaker 1>started getting more annoyed and eventually violence towards the protest.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a protest that like plus at the Reeves

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<v Speaker 1>Young office, went into the office and disrupted a board

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<v Speaker 1>member meeting that happened to have a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>people who were like seers and chairman there and um,

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<v Speaker 1>from what I gather as a brawl. Yeah, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>There's reports of the the Reeves CEO guy like punching

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<v Speaker 1>punching protesters. There's a joke that a worker puts someone

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<v Speaker 1>in the guillotine, and I love the version of these

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<v Speaker 1>workers doing like wwfer Love, We'll love for more cop

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<v Speaker 1>fights fights with cops to just be w w E

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<v Speaker 1>style match. Disrupting the board of meeting was another successful

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<v Speaker 1>step in the goal of applying direct confrontational pressure to

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<v Speaker 1>the Atlanta Police foundations contracted construction service providers. Days later,

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<v Speaker 1>two more bulldozers were lit on fire read entertaining aounts

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<v Speaker 1>of ulic road and we got to construct vehicles fall

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<v Speaker 1>involved in the quat and simpedia my location as well.

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<v Speaker 1>There this equipment was located on the land swap parcel

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<v Speaker 1>by Black Hall Studios, the planned future location of quote

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<v Speaker 1>Michelle Obama Park unquote. These were the eleventh and twelve

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<v Speaker 1>pieces of heavy machinery to be sabotaged, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>now we're at like around twenty five, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>lot um. The anonymous communicate this time was short and

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<v Speaker 1>to the point, quote we burnt to bulldozers in the

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<v Speaker 1>South Atlanta forest. No cops city, no Hollywood dystopia, defend

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<v Speaker 1>the Atlanta Forest. On top of the more publicly advertised

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<v Speaker 1>encampment at Entrenchman Creek Park. Around the second week of action,

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<v Speaker 1>a small cluster force defenders set up a secondary, more

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<v Speaker 1>secretive encampment on a stretch of woods in the old

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<v Speaker 1>Atlanta prison Farm. Again quoting the crimes article quote, a

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<v Speaker 1>few dozen people pitched tents, erected tarps and makeshift kitchens,

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<v Speaker 1>hung banners, and constructed a bonafid protest camp in the woods.

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<v Speaker 1>Establishing a semi permanent presence in the forest was a

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<v Speaker 1>way to gather information on an ongoing basis and to

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<v Speaker 1>provide an immediate deterrent to developers. So I was involved

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<v Speaker 1>in the original occupation of the forest. There was a

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<v Speaker 1>group of autnomous individuals who many of whom were housing

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<v Speaker 1>and secure, and we're like, we need fucking housing, and like,

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<v Speaker 1>there's this struggle and we believe in it and want

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<v Speaker 1>to fight in it. And so we moved to the

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<v Speaker 1>fucking woods. And we've lived in these woods. Believe the

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<v Speaker 1>six the official time is six weeks that we were

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<v Speaker 1>in the woods. And we had a higher quality of

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<v Speaker 1>life than like many people who like lived in houses

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<v Speaker 1>and apartments. We had the nicest kitchen of anyone we knew. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we had armchairs and couches and fire pits, and we

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we had more food than we knew what

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<v Speaker 1>to do with. And so we just started feeding people,

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<v Speaker 1>and like we created a social space that allowed the

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<v Speaker 1>movement to drow simply because we're like, oh, we need

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<v Speaker 1>these needs man in our lives. Don't we go do that?

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<v Speaker 1>And like evolved over time. A little over a month

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<v Speaker 1>after the more secretive encampment was established, about a dozen protesters,

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<v Speaker 1>some bearing witch hats, marched to the gate of Black

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<v Speaker 1>Hole Studios on Constitution Road and blocked the main entrance.

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<v Speaker 1>A communicate posted online read quote iconic spells for destruction

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<v Speaker 1>were loudly chanted at black Halls general direction as the

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<v Speaker 1>witch block held hands, cackled and skipped in a sunwise direction,

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<v Speaker 1>blocking Black Hole Studios as main entrance. Smoke torches were

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<v Speaker 1>lit approximately one our post, which block antics the Cab

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<v Speaker 1>County Police responded to a call made by Black Hole

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<v Speaker 1>Studios saying that they quote followed the protesters into the

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<v Speaker 1>woods and deduced an encampment they came upon must belong

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<v Speaker 1>to the apparent witches unquote, which is quite the sentence.

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<v Speaker 1>Shortly after, a large contingent of police raided the forest,

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<v Speaker 1>evicting the protest camp established there. There was at one

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<v Speaker 1>point group and help a demonstration outside of Black Holes

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<v Speaker 1>UM outside of Black Holes site near the woods, and

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<v Speaker 1>they expressed their discontent at the yeah, peaceful, entirely peaceful

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<v Speaker 1>protests at Black Haws Studios that was like just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of standing in like the front gate where employees leaving

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<v Speaker 1>them or um and generally doing stuff like bringing American flags,

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<v Speaker 1>holding signs like um and just like taking up space

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<v Speaker 1>and making the like actual interns and leaving of the

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<v Speaker 1>facility like less doable. And their response was for a

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<v Speaker 1>Black Hall to lie and so like the camp and

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<v Speaker 1>camp and wasn't trespassing on their property which was actually

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<v Speaker 1>in place in of like a public park, um and

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<v Speaker 1>orchestrated with the police to evict um. And they orchestraed

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<v Speaker 1>with the police to do like a pretty like intense

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<v Speaker 1>eviction for like what it was. Essentially we were what

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<v Speaker 1>amounted to a homeless camp living there, and they had

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<v Speaker 1>two helicopters circling, more police than I could count. They

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<v Speaker 1>were throwing our ship into dump trucks and like actively

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<v Speaker 1>like pursuing people through the woods. It was like an

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely I mean, it was like like very like visible

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<v Speaker 1>show of force against us. Quoting the crime Thing article

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<v Speaker 1>again quote at the urging of Black Hall the Cab

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<v Speaker 1>County police entered the forest on mass mobilizing police cruisers

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<v Speaker 1>and the parking lot officers on foot, helicopters and drones overhead,

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<v Speaker 1>and unmarked vehicles in the streets. The officers were likely

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<v Speaker 1>intimidated by the low visibility to rain. In any event,

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<v Speaker 1>all of the force defenders based in the encampment escaped

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<v Speaker 1>without being detained. This was the first time a concerted

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<v Speaker 1>effort was made by law enforcement to engage protesters in

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<v Speaker 1>the South River Forest. And be honest, it was a

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<v Speaker 1>fucking pain in the ass and it was a traumatizing

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<v Speaker 1>and like that is all true, but it's also even

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<v Speaker 1>we learned from and like we got a pretty good

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<v Speaker 1>idea of like apd s and like the Cab Counties

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<v Speaker 1>the capabilities, and like how they are like surveilling thing

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<v Speaker 1>protests and how they're surveilling camps, and like how they

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<v Speaker 1>figured out where we were and like what triggered them

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<v Speaker 1>to act against us, and like that's allowed us to

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<v Speaker 1>move in far more confident ways that are also far

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<v Speaker 1>more subversive. It's really interesting that you know, just like

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<v Speaker 1>when they make it, you know, illegal to do n

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<v Speaker 1>v d A whenever they attack, like that and do

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<v Speaker 1>these really violent raids that put people in like awful

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<v Speaker 1>positions and like traumatize the ship out of people. They

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<v Speaker 1>are teaching us how to fight back. They are showing

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<v Speaker 1>us their weaknesses, and in a really ironic way, the

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<v Speaker 1>next time they come in and they funk it up,

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<v Speaker 1>because people know what to expect, it'll be a monster

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<v Speaker 1>of their own making. Because like for every one step

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<v Speaker 1>of aggression that they take, that's two steps further we

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<v Speaker 1>can take towards them with everything that we learned from

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<v Speaker 1>the struggle. And obviously this forest is really beautiful and

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<v Speaker 1>the more time I spend here, the more I feel

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<v Speaker 1>connected to it and driven to like protect it. But

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<v Speaker 1>also a big part of it for a lot of us,

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<v Speaker 1>is for me, is like, um, you know, they're doing

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<v Speaker 1>this for their own morale, and so my goal is

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure they are unhappy. And so yeah, even

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<v Speaker 1>if I uh yeah, even if they win, as long

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<v Speaker 1>as we come back and we learn from that and

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<v Speaker 1>we keep pushing back, you know, it is a lay

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<v Speaker 1>of attrition, and um, it is about their morale. And

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<v Speaker 1>like it doesn't matter if they build the police facility.

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<v Speaker 1>What matters is that every single time that the police

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<v Speaker 1>moved to recuperate that their losses, which they just took

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<v Speaker 1>a big one, they are faced with just unyielding hostility.

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<v Speaker 1>Um And I think that, like that's something that's really important,

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<v Speaker 1>is that we don't expect to not take a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of hells. Like in the forest occupation, we understand the

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<v Speaker 1>nature of this thing. We're in a static position, completely

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<v Speaker 1>moving around it. But like it's a it's about making

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<v Speaker 1>them fight for every inch the best we can. The

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<v Speaker 1>encampment was just one part of a large ongoing fight.

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<v Speaker 1>Over the course of those six weeks, hundreds of people

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<v Speaker 1>were able to circulate through this camp, enjoying meals and performances,

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<v Speaker 1>making arts together, and spending time around campfires, building and

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<v Speaker 1>sharing a life in the woods. After the camp was

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<v Speaker 1>attacked and structures were destroyed by the Cab County Police,

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<v Speaker 1>land offenders and Atlanta residents mobilized quickly to recover camp

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<v Speaker 1>supplies and belongings and continued on with efforts to defend

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<v Speaker 1>the forest. A great thing about these types of free

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<v Speaker 1>autonomous zones is that they can directly demonstrate to people

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<v Speaker 1>what a free life outside the confines of in a

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<v Speaker 1>society can look like and what it can feel like

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just like we want to save the words

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<v Speaker 1>and we want to go back to our regular asse lives.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of us are realizing that we're living in

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<v Speaker 1>the apocalypse and we're just gonna we want to keep

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<v Speaker 1>living like this. It's not just this words, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>just this police facility, and we want them to not

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<v Speaker 1>have any more space or platform to organize this police.

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<v Speaker 1>But we want a lot of us want to be free.

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<v Speaker 1>We want other people that like during the idea of

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<v Speaker 1>like whatever the funk it is, hitchhiking train happening living

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<v Speaker 1>in the woods, the fact that it's a fucking crime

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<v Speaker 1>or considered crazy to be the people living in the

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<v Speaker 1>woods is insane. And that's kind of the vibe we

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<v Speaker 1>got from the muscoge for Access today. They're like our

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<v Speaker 1>whole world, like we're here trying to reclaim our culture

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<v Speaker 1>because there's a lot of hope for saving the land

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<v Speaker 1>from like an indigenous perspective, if people would respect them.

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<v Speaker 1>And the whole point is the US government doesn't actually

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<v Speaker 1>want them and doesn't actually respect them, and as a ations,

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<v Speaker 1>I literally have prisoner of war numbers because they're hoping

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<v Speaker 1>by blood quantum if they kill these people off, they

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<v Speaker 1>can take their land back, So the whole land back

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<v Speaker 1>idea of fucking freaks and not anyway. We want to

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<v Speaker 1>save this for us, but it's not just about this

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<v Speaker 1>forest for kind of endangered species. We've talked about ourselves

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<v Speaker 1>feeling like deer Like how deer like they'll be chilling.

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<v Speaker 1>They'll be like all around being a deer and mating food,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're like, I was on guard, you know, to

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<v Speaker 1>do something else if there's an enemy around. It kind

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<v Speaker 1>of feels that way, like it will be chilling. Nothing's

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<v Speaker 1>going on. Also, there's caps. But the whole point is

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<v Speaker 1>if it can happen here, ha ha, did it, it

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<v Speaker 1>can happen somewhere else. And we help to spread the

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<v Speaker 1>vibe that people not like Occupy would a varriable name

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<v Speaker 1>for a movement. But it's cool that that happened at

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<v Speaker 1>the time that we had made sense. We all have

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<v Speaker 1>nobody knew any better. We know better now, that's great,

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<v Speaker 1>but get the vibe. We're getting this vib to like

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<v Speaker 1>continue this kind of stuff. And obviously there's people in

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<v Speaker 1>all kinds of places, a squad buildings and do all

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<v Speaker 1>sorts of ship. But the more territory that we occupy

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<v Speaker 1>and control and can help remake treat to indigenous grassroots comrades,

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<v Speaker 1>not IRA and Reorganization Act, government sanctioned Indigenous groups right

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<v Speaker 1>if they can't. Not everyone's air. Ally, these have to

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<v Speaker 1>be ally. Ships that make sense. The Muscogee commrads that

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<v Speaker 1>we're close to, obviously not all of them, that some romanticized,

0:23:18.520 --> 0:23:21.480
<v Speaker 1>generalized bullshit. They said the same ship that when we

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<v Speaker 1>talk to them, they're like even our own people betray

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<v Speaker 1>it sometimes because we're not all the same. It's some

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<v Speaker 1>homogeneous bullshit. And I've seen that play out poorly in

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<v Speaker 1>other places. And like the garity of the land back

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<v Speaker 1>to the neightives and like which natives like people were

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<v Speaker 1>all on the spectrum of conversation and be conization. And

0:23:38.520 --> 0:23:41.080
<v Speaker 1>sadly some of us are further along the lines and others.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's very much on the colonizer's fault for doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>But where we're at is the people, the people that

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<v Speaker 1>feel the call the anarchy, the people that feel the

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<v Speaker 1>call to the some kind of radical left orientation. They

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<v Speaker 1>can find it in their hearts and in their patients

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<v Speaker 1>to tolerate each other, need to band together to come

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<v Speaker 1>up with better plans because we're all we got and

0:24:04.600 --> 0:24:08.480
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't get better, it's getting worse. So hopefully this

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<v Speaker 1>can be an inspiration for people to do other ship.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm inspired. I'm not from anyway freaking her here, but

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<v Speaker 1>I've been here for a year now and i don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to leave because I'm tired at the same old tactics.

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<v Speaker 1>And I have been a part of stuff that has

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<v Speaker 1>been successful before and I had nothing to do with

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<v Speaker 1>non valid direct action and I had to do time

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<v Speaker 1>for it, and I know people that have done time

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<v Speaker 1>for it also. And if there's any message I can

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<v Speaker 1>give to the young generation is there's no future and

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<v Speaker 1>it's worth it. And like if your future is just

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<v Speaker 1>like working at nine to five and like watching the earth,

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<v Speaker 1>so they're like shriveling and nothingness, I would argue it's

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<v Speaker 1>not really a life. Might as all well might as

0:24:47.000 --> 0:24:49.880
<v Speaker 1>well be dead. So I'm happy to live. I'm hope

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<v Speaker 1>you choose to live. I think it's a really like

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<v Speaker 1>interesting thing that psychological aspects of this, because the first

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<v Speaker 1>time you do the way we're surcialized in the society

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<v Speaker 1>is to be obedient and fearful, and the first time

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<v Speaker 1>you do something illegals, the first time you do something

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<v Speaker 1>that you know is against the world, the first time

0:25:15.480 --> 0:25:18.800
<v Speaker 1>you steal some food, the first time you smash the window,

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<v Speaker 1>the first time you do any of that, you're scared.

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<v Speaker 1>But then you get away with it. You realize that

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<v Speaker 1>this is a thing you can do, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>that the state can't stop you from doing and you realize, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I can do so much more. And once you get

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<v Speaker 1>over that initial fear, once you've smashed that window and

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<v Speaker 1>you've gotten home and you're like, oh, I didn't go

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<v Speaker 1>to jail for this. But when when you like get

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<v Speaker 1>home and you're like, I have all this food now

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<v Speaker 1>that I didn't have to pay for it, you start

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<v Speaker 1>to realize maybe I don't need to work a job.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I don't need to work nine to five or

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<v Speaker 1>you know, five to midnight every day to get a

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<v Speaker 1>job and pay for You realize, wait, maybe I can

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<v Speaker 1>just steal the food. Yeah. I've been wanting to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about that for a while. For I want to make

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<v Speaker 1>another Hyper Objects episode UM and talk about the anarchist

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<v Speaker 1>properties of client bottles UM and I described this type

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<v Speaker 1>of freedom is like it's like how a client bottle

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<v Speaker 1>works or like a fourth dimensional object. It's like you

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<v Speaker 1>need in order for there's like this extra degree or

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<v Speaker 1>extra dimension of movement that we usually don't think it's possible,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is actually there if you know how to

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<v Speaker 1>interact with it. UM And Yeah, it's like we're domesticated

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<v Speaker 1>in so many ways to view here's what's possible, here's

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<v Speaker 1>what's impossible. I have to exist within this framework UM

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<v Speaker 1>and only doing these things which are seen as correct.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's actually more degrees of freedom than that. We

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<v Speaker 1>just don't often like acknowledge them. But you can totally

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<v Speaker 1>phase through things and you can totally find that extra

0:26:58.320 --> 0:27:00.920
<v Speaker 1>degree of freedom, and once you do, that's a super

0:27:01.080 --> 0:27:05.320
<v Speaker 1>interesting feeling. UM. As opposed to like waiting for gay

0:27:05.359 --> 0:27:08.520
<v Speaker 1>luxury space communism, you can instead do like fourth dimensional

0:27:08.600 --> 0:27:11.920
<v Speaker 1>like hyper anarchism, which gives you so much more freedom

0:27:12.000 --> 0:27:14.720
<v Speaker 1>right now instead of just waiting for the communism that

0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:20.800
<v Speaker 1>will never come and the relationship you build. The relationships

0:27:20.840 --> 0:27:24.200
<v Speaker 1>you build that are based on a trust that is,

0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:27.760
<v Speaker 1>I trust you to have my back, I trust you

0:27:28.160 --> 0:27:31.680
<v Speaker 1>to work with me and do this thing is so

0:27:31.800 --> 0:27:35.240
<v Speaker 1>much deeper than the trust of I guess I trust

0:27:35.320 --> 0:27:38.359
<v Speaker 1>my coworker, but like I really trust them not to

0:27:38.440 --> 0:27:42.200
<v Speaker 1>sttion my boss. Like the trust that comes from a

0:27:42.280 --> 0:27:46.080
<v Speaker 1>relationship where you're like, yeah, let's like we need food,

0:27:46.080 --> 0:27:48.639
<v Speaker 1>that's going to steal it together. That kind of trust

0:27:49.440 --> 0:27:53.640
<v Speaker 1>is not something that can be recuperated. And that kind

0:27:53.680 --> 0:27:58.399
<v Speaker 1>of like relationship where it's like our relationship is built

0:27:58.440 --> 0:28:01.040
<v Speaker 1>on the fundamental we will do it we have to

0:28:01.160 --> 0:28:05.840
<v Speaker 1>to survive. It creates an intimacy that you can't find

0:28:05.920 --> 0:28:15.159
<v Speaker 1>anywhere else, and a criminal INTERNNA say, you might say, um, yeah,

0:28:15.600 --> 0:28:21.320
<v Speaker 1>and that that was the point as somebody else think, yeah, yeah,

0:28:21.520 --> 0:28:25.320
<v Speaker 1>just to double down't know too, Like I think it's um,

0:28:25.359 --> 0:28:31.080
<v Speaker 1>it's cool too because uh, when you also come through

0:28:31.080 --> 0:28:32.719
<v Speaker 1>a space like this, Like you can live like that

0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:35.639
<v Speaker 1>on your on your own or with your friends, but

0:28:35.720 --> 0:28:40.000
<v Speaker 1>then there's something wild when you come to this space. Um,

0:28:40.040 --> 0:28:43.200
<v Speaker 1>and then all of a sudden, it's like when you

0:28:43.480 --> 0:28:46.160
<v Speaker 1>start attacking something that a lot of other people want

0:28:46.160 --> 0:28:49.120
<v Speaker 1>to see attacked, All of a sudden, all you have

0:28:49.160 --> 0:28:51.800
<v Speaker 1>to do is attack that thing and foods there, yeah,

0:28:51.920 --> 0:28:55.240
<v Speaker 1>and like you know like that and and like yeah,

0:28:55.280 --> 0:28:57.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm like you have all these resources and you can

0:28:57.680 --> 0:29:00.840
<v Speaker 1>focus on that and so like it's like yes, I'm

0:29:00.840 --> 0:29:03.760
<v Speaker 1>like it's like a joke to some degree, but like

0:29:04.640 --> 0:29:06.760
<v Speaker 1>if you want to be a lifestyle and because like

0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:09.800
<v Speaker 1>if you want to actually be an anarchist right now

0:29:10.240 --> 0:29:14.200
<v Speaker 1>and do anarchist ship, you can come to Atlanta and

0:29:14.480 --> 0:29:18.480
<v Speaker 1>do and like it's not easy. It's fucking scary, it's sketchy,

0:29:18.840 --> 0:29:24.400
<v Speaker 1>it's hard, there's freaky as bugs, but like, yeah, you

0:29:24.440 --> 0:29:28.520
<v Speaker 1>don't have to wait, and like, yeah, it I think

0:29:28.520 --> 0:29:30.840
<v Speaker 1>that that's something that like, for me, is really magic.

0:29:31.080 --> 0:29:35.000
<v Speaker 1>Is that like actually the more you attack and the

0:29:35.040 --> 0:29:38.720
<v Speaker 1>more you like position yourself to be antagonistic towards the world,

0:29:39.120 --> 0:29:43.880
<v Speaker 1>the more of it's like fourth dimensional like winn shoot,

0:29:43.920 --> 0:29:48.080
<v Speaker 1>don't you know, like which imediately understand like starts to

0:29:48.600 --> 0:29:52.280
<v Speaker 1>kind of like self actualize. And yeah, I think it's cool.

0:29:52.320 --> 0:29:54.720
<v Speaker 1>And like it freaks me out to think that there's

0:29:54.720 --> 0:29:57.640
<v Speaker 1>not people who are probably probably pretty cool like waiting

0:29:57.680 --> 0:30:01.200
<v Speaker 1>for some opportunity like waiting, just teachers waiting, and we

0:30:01.240 --> 0:30:03.800
<v Speaker 1>don't have that much time. Yeah, you can live anarchy now.

0:30:03.840 --> 0:30:06.840
<v Speaker 1>You don't need to wait for the collapse TM because

0:30:06.880 --> 0:30:10.800
<v Speaker 1>turns out that party it's already happening and that already happened.

0:30:10.800 --> 0:30:13.480
<v Speaker 1>We're just waiting in the liminal space until the climate

0:30:13.560 --> 0:30:16.520
<v Speaker 1>change catches up with the admissions are already there. We're

0:30:16.560 --> 0:30:18.560
<v Speaker 1>already living in it. We just don't realize it yet,

0:30:18.640 --> 0:30:20.200
<v Speaker 1>or some of us are in denial of it yet.

0:30:20.400 --> 0:30:23.640
<v Speaker 1>But the collapses like now, we it's already the thing.

0:30:24.000 --> 0:30:26.080
<v Speaker 1>We don't need to wait for the one big collapse,

0:30:26.080 --> 0:30:29.040
<v Speaker 1>because that's a myth. But you can live anarchy and

0:30:29.080 --> 0:30:32.000
<v Speaker 1>do stuff. You don't need to wait for the next

0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:36.920
<v Speaker 1>communist president who's going to run and fail. There's no

0:30:37.000 --> 0:30:41.480
<v Speaker 1>coming social there's no coming collapse. There's nothing to wait

0:30:41.520 --> 0:30:46.920
<v Speaker 1>for to keep on waiting madness aside. I think a

0:30:46.960 --> 0:30:51.240
<v Speaker 1>really interesting aspect of this movement about like we are

0:30:51.280 --> 0:30:55.160
<v Speaker 1>attacking a popular target, and how in attacking the popular

0:30:55.200 --> 0:31:02.000
<v Speaker 1>target we've built this thing is we are ye, We're

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<v Speaker 1>not just here and attacking this thing that doesn't exist

0:31:06.920 --> 0:31:11.880
<v Speaker 1>in isolation. We're here and we've built a movement and

0:31:11.960 --> 0:31:20.440
<v Speaker 1>we've built u We've through attack, we've built a built

0:31:20.520 --> 0:31:27.800
<v Speaker 1>this like popular idea that like actually, you know, like

0:31:28.760 --> 0:31:31.720
<v Speaker 1>if you want something to not be there, instead of

0:31:31.920 --> 0:31:35.120
<v Speaker 1>like talk to a politician, you can send it on

0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:38.600
<v Speaker 1>vote harder, vote harder, just just just just one more vote,

0:31:38.640 --> 0:31:59.960
<v Speaker 1>I swear I'm different. Sorry, Now I like to talk

0:32:00.160 --> 0:32:03.480
<v Speaker 1>more about tactics. Since the City Council about on the

0:32:03.520 --> 0:32:06.760
<v Speaker 1>ground tactics have gained a much more integral role and

0:32:06.960 --> 0:32:11.040
<v Speaker 1>grown past the basic sabotage and house visits, although both

0:32:11.040 --> 0:32:14.400
<v Speaker 1>of those still are crucial aspects in keeping the movement going.

0:32:15.280 --> 0:32:18.600
<v Speaker 1>Different ways of preventing physical construction, surveying of land and

0:32:18.640 --> 0:32:20.880
<v Speaker 1>destruction of the forest made up most of the on

0:32:20.960 --> 0:32:24.920
<v Speaker 1>the ground direct action efforts inside the forest. I think

0:32:24.920 --> 0:32:28.240
<v Speaker 1>a really interesting aspect of the way that the struggle

0:32:28.280 --> 0:32:34.160
<v Speaker 1>has happened here is that because it's so decentralized, there

0:32:34.200 --> 0:32:38.800
<v Speaker 1>are people and no one really knows who, there are

0:32:38.840 --> 0:32:44.800
<v Speaker 1>people who will just to show up and like, you know,

0:32:44.960 --> 0:32:47.920
<v Speaker 1>it's like there were people who are like getting the

0:32:47.960 --> 0:32:50.920
<v Speaker 1>crops called on them in the woods and ships, and

0:32:51.000 --> 0:32:54.520
<v Speaker 1>then like a bunch of anonymous people have showed up

0:32:54.560 --> 0:32:57.920
<v Speaker 1>and like toppled all the camera powers and people stopped

0:32:57.920 --> 0:32:59.840
<v Speaker 1>getting the crops called on them in the woods for

0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:05.600
<v Speaker 1>really a long time. And like that kind of decentralized thing,

0:33:06.000 --> 0:33:11.640
<v Speaker 1>especially where it's like, you know, regardless of even like

0:33:11.760 --> 0:33:15.520
<v Speaker 1>if the people in the Woods were like, you know,

0:33:15.680 --> 0:33:22.360
<v Speaker 1>like into doing ship. It's like, it's really useful when

0:33:22.400 --> 0:33:26.720
<v Speaker 1>people who have more skills and people have more knowledge

0:33:26.800 --> 0:33:29.600
<v Speaker 1>and more ability to do things and more ability to

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<v Speaker 1>take risks. It's really awesome when those kinds of people

0:33:33.480 --> 0:33:37.080
<v Speaker 1>can come and make things safe for a larger massive people.

0:33:37.480 --> 0:33:40.360
<v Speaker 1>And I feel like that is like a strategy and

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<v Speaker 1>like the interactionary space that can be truly like expanded

0:33:44.040 --> 0:33:47.840
<v Speaker 1>on where people who know their ship can make things

0:33:47.920 --> 0:33:53.000
<v Speaker 1>safe for large groups of people. To generalize revolt, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I regret like a lot of hard a struggle and

0:33:55.800 --> 0:34:00.080
<v Speaker 1>struggle has been framed from the very beginning as it

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<v Speaker 1>like there was no call to action do x y Z.

0:34:05.200 --> 0:34:08.160
<v Speaker 1>There was a bunch of people pursuing their own individual

0:34:08.200 --> 0:34:10.759
<v Speaker 1>desires and what they saw as a forward facing like

0:34:10.840 --> 0:34:15.040
<v Speaker 1>a reprojection of their own ideas into the future and

0:34:15.160 --> 0:34:18.399
<v Speaker 1>made that happen. And it was underneath this framework where

0:34:18.440 --> 0:34:22.120
<v Speaker 1>there was no limit, there were no boundaries um, and

0:34:22.200 --> 0:34:25.600
<v Speaker 1>there was no idea of like us all having to

0:34:25.640 --> 0:34:28.960
<v Speaker 1>be on the same page about that. Yeah, you don't

0:34:28.960 --> 0:34:33.160
<v Speaker 1>need to like attend a march to be to do

0:34:33.320 --> 0:34:36.360
<v Speaker 1>effective things. In fact, it turns out doing things that

0:34:36.400 --> 0:34:38.480
<v Speaker 1>are not attending a march can often be way more

0:34:38.480 --> 0:34:42.000
<v Speaker 1>materially effective, and to double down on that, like, um,

0:34:42.080 --> 0:34:45.320
<v Speaker 1>so many times there's just like a script other people follow,

0:34:45.560 --> 0:34:48.319
<v Speaker 1>this is how we do it. And then there's there's

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<v Speaker 1>like this action that's applied to everything that people don't

0:34:51.960 --> 0:34:56.640
<v Speaker 1>like and holy ship, that's a crazy book. That was

0:34:56.680 --> 0:35:03.719
<v Speaker 1>a wild fire u um, things like that. But yeah,

0:35:03.719 --> 0:35:06.000
<v Speaker 1>but there's these like things that applied to everything, and

0:35:06.040 --> 0:35:10.440
<v Speaker 1>this struggle very much has no script, which is really exciting.

0:35:10.560 --> 0:35:13.799
<v Speaker 1>And but but what's even cooler about that is that

0:35:14.400 --> 0:35:17.640
<v Speaker 1>it's not it's awesome not reinventing the wheel. And so

0:35:17.840 --> 0:35:20.640
<v Speaker 1>there's people who are taking from you know, like kind

0:35:20.640 --> 0:35:26.440
<v Speaker 1>of like classic insurrectionary anarchists like approaches. There's people looking

0:35:26.560 --> 0:35:31.000
<v Speaker 1>at ego defense stuff from all over the world thinking

0:35:31.040 --> 0:35:35.719
<v Speaker 1>about um, there's people looking at some successful like non

0:35:35.800 --> 0:35:40.279
<v Speaker 1>violent direct action. There's people looking at alf struggles and

0:35:40.360 --> 0:35:44.600
<v Speaker 1>like how like those campaigns, target campaigns, secondary targeting, how

0:35:44.680 --> 0:35:49.080
<v Speaker 1>things like that worth The contracting and subcontracting companies hired

0:35:49.080 --> 0:35:51.920
<v Speaker 1>by the Atlanta Police Foundation made up the new targets

0:35:51.960 --> 0:35:55.840
<v Speaker 1>of the pressure campaigns and direct confrontation methods that threatened

0:35:55.840 --> 0:35:59.960
<v Speaker 1>physical and Social Capital bringing back the house visits mentioned

0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:03.800
<v Speaker 1>in the previous episode. In late December, banners that read

0:36:04.080 --> 0:36:07.400
<v Speaker 1>Reeves Young out of the Atlanta Forest were hung in

0:36:07.480 --> 0:36:12.040
<v Speaker 1>the backyard of the private residence of Dean Reeves in Suani, Georgia.

0:36:12.719 --> 0:36:15.560
<v Speaker 1>Dean Raeves serves as the chairman of Reeves Young Construction

0:36:15.840 --> 0:36:18.520
<v Speaker 1>and was among the board members present at the November action,

0:36:18.680 --> 0:36:25.600
<v Speaker 1>and he personally allegedly shoved and assaulted protesters inside the brawl.

0:36:26.640 --> 0:36:31.120
<v Speaker 1>After the backyard banners were hung, an anonymous online statement

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<v Speaker 1>read quote, we hope this action gives but a miniscule

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<v Speaker 1>dose of what the creatures in the South Atlanta forest

0:36:36.960 --> 0:36:40.240
<v Speaker 1>you want to bulldoz might feel unsafe in the place

0:36:40.320 --> 0:36:45.359
<v Speaker 1>they call home. A month later, on January, Reeves Young

0:36:45.400 --> 0:36:49.920
<v Speaker 1>Construction and representatives of the Atlanta Police Foundation entered the

0:36:50.040 --> 0:36:53.960
<v Speaker 1>forest with a bulldozer. They started knocking down trees to

0:36:54.080 --> 0:36:57.840
<v Speaker 1>complete more surveying work and determine the construction supplies needed

0:36:57.880 --> 0:37:01.840
<v Speaker 1>for a laying of building foundation force. Destruction was halted

0:37:01.840 --> 0:37:05.480
<v Speaker 1>when approximately a dozen protesters approached the workers in Atlanta

0:37:05.480 --> 0:37:09.800
<v Speaker 1>Police Foundation representative Alan Williams and demanded that they leave.

0:37:10.520 --> 0:37:13.440
<v Speaker 1>Workers were safely escorted out of the woods, and the

0:37:13.480 --> 0:37:16.560
<v Speaker 1>bulldozer was left at the scene and was subsequently taken

0:37:16.560 --> 0:37:20.600
<v Speaker 1>out of commission. In my interviews with some force defenders,

0:37:20.680 --> 0:37:23.360
<v Speaker 1>I believe one of them referred to this as the

0:37:23.680 --> 0:37:28.160
<v Speaker 1>bulldozer tripping and falling, so that's fun. The day after

0:37:28.320 --> 0:37:31.880
<v Speaker 1>autonomous groups of people finished construction of multiple well built

0:37:31.920 --> 0:37:34.480
<v Speaker 1>treehouses up in the canopy near the site of the

0:37:34.520 --> 0:37:39.480
<v Speaker 1>previous day's confrontation, people climbed up into treehouses and announced

0:37:39.480 --> 0:37:43.480
<v Speaker 1>their intention to remain there in order to delay further construction,

0:37:43.840 --> 0:37:47.719
<v Speaker 1>ripping off the old tree sit and bipod tactics. From

0:37:47.760 --> 0:37:51.080
<v Speaker 1>October twenty one to this point in the struggle, just

0:37:51.160 --> 0:37:55.520
<v Speaker 1>like mid January, work was consistently able to be stopped

0:37:55.560 --> 0:37:59.360
<v Speaker 1>by small, dedicated groups of people without resorting to force.

0:38:00.120 --> 0:38:02.920
<v Speaker 1>Throughout the next week, attempts at land surveying in the

0:38:03.000 --> 0:38:06.799
<v Speaker 1>area of the old Atlanta Prison Farm continued, but now

0:38:06.840 --> 0:38:09.880
<v Speaker 1>with workers being accompanied by the Atlanta Police Foundation, Atlanta

0:38:09.920 --> 0:38:13.880
<v Speaker 1>Police officers, and a cab County police. With the backing

0:38:13.880 --> 0:38:16.920
<v Speaker 1>of cops, workers were able to accomplish more of their tasks,

0:38:17.000 --> 0:38:21.280
<v Speaker 1>including tree felling and soil boring per Crime Thing quote.

0:38:21.600 --> 0:38:24.799
<v Speaker 1>In some instances, only handful of activists were on the

0:38:24.840 --> 0:38:30.520
<v Speaker 1>scene behind makeshift barricades. Reinforcements cannot arrive rapidly enough to

0:38:30.560 --> 0:38:35.840
<v Speaker 1>assist those on the ground. Unquote Reportedly, undercover cops surrounded

0:38:35.880 --> 0:38:40.279
<v Speaker 1>the forest, intimidating those who would park nearby. As such,

0:38:40.560 --> 0:38:45.520
<v Speaker 1>some outside support did show up, but not in mass. Meanwhile,

0:38:45.640 --> 0:38:47.959
<v Speaker 1>in the forest, it was a game of cat mouse

0:38:48.080 --> 0:38:52.160
<v Speaker 1>between the workers, forest offenders, and cops. Police went so

0:38:52.239 --> 0:38:56.160
<v Speaker 1>far as to start chasing people on forest trails while

0:38:56.200 --> 0:38:59.640
<v Speaker 1>writing on a t V. S. Barricades and the tactical

0:38:59.680 --> 0:39:03.439
<v Speaker 1>remove of land survey markers did slow down work on

0:39:03.520 --> 0:39:07.360
<v Speaker 1>some days, but ultimately efforts were unsuccessful in halting the

0:39:07.400 --> 0:39:12.080
<v Speaker 1>destruction process entirely. This week of land destruction and caton

0:39:12.160 --> 0:39:17.240
<v Speaker 1>mouse culminated on January. Around sixty people, the largest crowd

0:39:17.280 --> 0:39:19.960
<v Speaker 1>in months, gathered to march into the south of a

0:39:20.080 --> 0:39:22.239
<v Speaker 1>forest and on to the old Atlanta Prison farm to

0:39:22.280 --> 0:39:25.680
<v Speaker 1>directly confront construction workers who were boring holes in the

0:39:25.719 --> 0:39:30.360
<v Speaker 1>ground doing soil sample collection. The cab County police attacked

0:39:30.360 --> 0:39:34.520
<v Speaker 1>the protesters, tackling multiple people and arresting four, the first

0:39:34.640 --> 0:39:38.200
<v Speaker 1>arrests inside the forest. Within the context of the movement

0:39:38.800 --> 0:39:42.520
<v Speaker 1>quoting crime thing again quote. Police attacked the march, tackling

0:39:42.600 --> 0:39:46.400
<v Speaker 1>several people. The other demonstrators did not mount a proportional

0:39:46.440 --> 0:39:51.000
<v Speaker 1>response to this aggression, despite outnumbering the police. Perhaps some

0:39:51.040 --> 0:39:53.960
<v Speaker 1>of the tactics popular during the rebellion, such as the

0:39:54.000 --> 0:39:57.040
<v Speaker 1>mass use of umbrellas or makeshift shields, could have equipped

0:39:57.040 --> 0:40:00.960
<v Speaker 1>the participants to feel more capable of decisive action. Allen

0:40:01.040 --> 0:40:04.520
<v Speaker 1>Williams of the Atlanta Police Foundation was filling protesters, looking

0:40:04.560 --> 0:40:08.160
<v Speaker 1>a little anxious as he did so. A statement on

0:40:08.239 --> 0:40:11.399
<v Speaker 1>the Defend the Forest scenes dot no blogs dot org

0:40:11.480 --> 0:40:16.200
<v Speaker 1>site concluded their report back with this sentiment quote, at

0:40:16.200 --> 0:40:18.880
<v Speaker 1>this point, we are in need of two main things.

0:40:19.440 --> 0:40:21.600
<v Speaker 1>More people to help support tree sets and defend the

0:40:21.640 --> 0:40:26.960
<v Speaker 1>force from destruction, and legal attempts to delay construction. Yeah. Always,

0:40:27.040 --> 0:40:28.799
<v Speaker 1>you want more people to be on the ground in

0:40:28.840 --> 0:40:34.520
<v Speaker 1>the woods, in the city. Cass wed cass like the

0:40:35.080 --> 0:40:40.240
<v Speaker 1>cast like um. You want to wear out the enemy

0:40:40.280 --> 0:40:41.839
<v Speaker 1>and a lot of different ways, and the enemy has

0:40:41.840 --> 0:40:44.719
<v Speaker 1>a lot of different people. Of the enemies. Enemies are

0:40:44.760 --> 0:40:47.759
<v Speaker 1>subcontractors and enemy as a police enemies. George a power

0:40:48.480 --> 0:40:53.840
<v Speaker 1>powers quote unquote the power that divides both in Trenchman

0:40:53.880 --> 0:40:56.840
<v Speaker 1>Creek and said, there's a lot of different people. So

0:40:56.880 --> 0:40:58.600
<v Speaker 1>if there's a lot of and we also have a

0:40:58.640 --> 0:41:00.719
<v Speaker 1>lot of different people involve in a lot of different ways,

0:41:00.880 --> 0:41:03.359
<v Speaker 1>people living in the worlds, people living in town, so

0:41:04.760 --> 0:41:07.120
<v Speaker 1>people already know anything that it's already happening. We should

0:41:07.120 --> 0:41:10.879
<v Speaker 1>be visiting the offices, we should be visiting at home,

0:41:11.080 --> 0:41:13.920
<v Speaker 1>at the goddamn church, we should be visiting there. In

0:41:13.960 --> 0:41:16.120
<v Speaker 1>the forest, there should be there should be no peace.

0:41:17.640 --> 0:41:19.960
<v Speaker 1>And I believe that's how we can win, because we

0:41:20.000 --> 0:41:23.759
<v Speaker 1>need to make it unpopular and savory and hopefully next

0:41:23.800 --> 0:41:26.759
<v Speaker 1>to impossible for them to make these choices, because even

0:41:26.960 --> 0:41:28.600
<v Speaker 1>this as a small part of the forest, they're just

0:41:28.640 --> 0:41:31.480
<v Speaker 1>going to continue on the next thing. I want to

0:41:31.520 --> 0:41:34.800
<v Speaker 1>briefly go into some details about a method of protests

0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:38.000
<v Speaker 1>that combines pressure to both physical and social capital in

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<v Speaker 1>hopes of resulting material changes from businesses, corporations, or people

0:41:42.239 --> 0:41:45.840
<v Speaker 1>in power. It features many of the actual tactics we've

0:41:45.880 --> 0:41:48.920
<v Speaker 1>in fact already discussed. Will refer to it as the

0:41:49.000 --> 0:41:53.720
<v Speaker 1>Shack method. For reasons that will be shortly explained. House visits,

0:41:53.960 --> 0:41:58.879
<v Speaker 1>targeted vandalism, phone calls, and hanging banners and backyards all

0:41:58.920 --> 0:42:01.840
<v Speaker 1>have a place in this method adology, it's a focused

0:42:01.960 --> 0:42:06.080
<v Speaker 1>drive to dissolve that safe political or corporate astral space

0:42:06.400 --> 0:42:09.960
<v Speaker 1>that I talked about in the last episode. The cred

0:42:10.000 --> 0:42:12.680
<v Speaker 1>of the article contains a really good summary of the

0:42:12.719 --> 0:42:16.240
<v Speaker 1>Shack method. So instead of just like regurgitating their explainer,

0:42:16.320 --> 0:42:18.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna I'm just gonna narrate certain sections of it

0:42:19.719 --> 0:42:22.480
<v Speaker 1>because that will make my job easier and I'm I'm

0:42:22.480 --> 0:42:25.040
<v Speaker 1>a hacking of fraud blah blah blah blah blah quote.

0:42:25.840 --> 0:42:29.120
<v Speaker 1>The goal is to hold those responsible for these projects

0:42:29.160 --> 0:42:32.080
<v Speaker 1>personally liable for their decisions and the decisions of the

0:42:32.080 --> 0:42:35.360
<v Speaker 1>companies they own. Because the entire system of rules and

0:42:35.360 --> 0:42:39.600
<v Speaker 1>norms we live under dictates that exploiters, warlords, math murderers,

0:42:39.600 --> 0:42:42.759
<v Speaker 1>and those that destroy ecosystems must not face pressure at

0:42:42.760 --> 0:42:44.799
<v Speaker 1>home as a consequence of the decisions that they make

0:42:44.840 --> 0:42:49.000
<v Speaker 1>at work. This strategy is bound to be controversial. It

0:42:49.040 --> 0:42:52.200
<v Speaker 1>rejects the entire logic of limited liability that forms the

0:42:52.200 --> 0:42:56.320
<v Speaker 1>basis of corporate rule in our society. At the beginning

0:42:56.320 --> 0:42:59.279
<v Speaker 1>of the twenty first century, animal rights activists in the

0:42:59.400 --> 0:43:02.080
<v Speaker 1>UK and the US set out to take down the

0:43:02.080 --> 0:43:06.920
<v Speaker 1>biggest animal testing corporation on the planet Huntington's Life Sciences.

0:43:07.520 --> 0:43:11.040
<v Speaker 1>The campaign to stop Huntington's Life Sciences was called Stop

0:43:11.200 --> 0:43:16.520
<v Speaker 1>Huntington's Animal Cruelty or SHACK. It formally disbanded, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>best known for its period of ambitious international participation in

0:43:19.920 --> 0:43:23.759
<v Speaker 1>the early two thousands. The methodology of this movement, which

0:43:23.840 --> 0:43:29.680
<v Speaker 1>encompassed direct actions, symbolic protests, cultural events, sabotage, pranks, and more,

0:43:30.200 --> 0:43:33.080
<v Speaker 1>included many features that have been since used in a

0:43:33.160 --> 0:43:37.600
<v Speaker 1>wide range of campaigns. The overall strategy of SHACK involved

0:43:37.640 --> 0:43:41.480
<v Speaker 1>mobilizing a few hundred people to maximize their effectiveness against

0:43:41.480 --> 0:43:44.920
<v Speaker 1>a major enterprise by focusing only on their ability to

0:43:45.040 --> 0:43:50.080
<v Speaker 1>function economically. The SHACK model is centered around tertiary targeting

0:43:50.480 --> 0:43:54.520
<v Speaker 1>I isolating service providers from third party contracts in order

0:43:54.560 --> 0:43:57.520
<v Speaker 1>to limit their ability to provide services to the client,

0:43:57.920 --> 0:44:01.200
<v Speaker 1>which is the actual target. Okay, now I'm just gonna

0:44:01.200 --> 0:44:04.359
<v Speaker 1>pause here because if that sounds confusing, let me let

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<v Speaker 1>me briefly provide an example. So the actual target here

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<v Speaker 1>would be the Atlanta Police Foundation, since they're the ones

0:44:11.280 --> 0:44:14.680
<v Speaker 1>with plans to build a cops city. The Police Foundation

0:44:14.760 --> 0:44:18.920
<v Speaker 1>has contracted a few companies of Brassfield and Gory for

0:44:19.000 --> 0:44:23.480
<v Speaker 1>one and Reeves Young, So these companies are the service provider.

0:44:24.200 --> 0:44:27.279
<v Speaker 1>The shack model attempts to isolate the service provider, so

0:44:27.480 --> 0:44:32.160
<v Speaker 1>Reeves Young from all of their third party clients and contracts,

0:44:32.800 --> 0:44:34.799
<v Speaker 1>which will in the end go back to hurt the

0:44:34.840 --> 0:44:37.719
<v Speaker 1>actual target, which is the Atlanta Police Foundation back to

0:44:37.800 --> 0:44:41.040
<v Speaker 1>crime think the service provider. So in this case Heves

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<v Speaker 1>Young Uh. The service provider depends on many third parties.

0:44:45.600 --> 0:44:54.560
<v Speaker 1>Third parties provide the service provider with insurance, materials, equipment, security, catering, cleaning, mail, service, data, maintenance,

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<v Speaker 1>and more. All of those third parties can be pressured

0:44:58.200 --> 0:45:01.719
<v Speaker 1>to drop the service provider. Furthermore, the service provider is

0:45:01.800 --> 0:45:04.919
<v Speaker 1>likely a company with more than one client, and those

0:45:05.000 --> 0:45:07.920
<v Speaker 1>other clients can also be pressured to drop the provider.

0:45:08.520 --> 0:45:12.120
<v Speaker 1>Any company or contractor that is able to move their

0:45:12.120 --> 0:45:15.040
<v Speaker 1>money away from the service provider because they have other

0:45:15.080 --> 0:45:19.560
<v Speaker 1>economic opportunities can be pressured to do so. Essentially, this

0:45:19.640 --> 0:45:22.239
<v Speaker 1>strategy does not directly challenge the bottom line of any

0:45:22.360 --> 0:45:26.360
<v Speaker 1>of the third party companies. It only isolates and demoralizes

0:45:26.480 --> 0:45:30.800
<v Speaker 1>the service provider and therefore the end target. Today, it

0:45:30.920 --> 0:45:33.600
<v Speaker 1>still remains unclear who is the service provider for the

0:45:33.640 --> 0:45:36.600
<v Speaker 1>Black Hall Studios development, although that information will come out

0:45:36.719 --> 0:45:40.120
<v Speaker 1>sooner than later. In considering the limits of the shack

0:45:40.200 --> 0:45:43.719
<v Speaker 1>strategy in actions outside of the forest, it might be

0:45:43.760 --> 0:45:47.239
<v Speaker 1>more difficult for activists to maintain a sense of urgency.

0:45:47.800 --> 0:45:51.319
<v Speaker 1>Targeting individuals at their offices and homes will chiefly bring

0:45:51.320 --> 0:45:54.960
<v Speaker 1>out those who are excited about such confrontational methods, rather

0:45:55.040 --> 0:45:58.040
<v Speaker 1>than those who prefer to maintain welcoming spaces of encounter,

0:45:58.480 --> 0:46:01.839
<v Speaker 1>to build treehouses, to or to clean campsites, to cook

0:46:01.880 --> 0:46:05.560
<v Speaker 1>for others, to cultivate the kind of collective imagining that

0:46:05.680 --> 0:46:09.799
<v Speaker 1>is needed to transform society. Also, if people fail to

0:46:09.800 --> 0:46:13.759
<v Speaker 1>do proper research or mapping, activists could waste their time

0:46:13.880 --> 0:46:18.279
<v Speaker 1>targeting minor institutions and companies that are unwilling or unable

0:46:18.320 --> 0:46:21.480
<v Speaker 1>to drop their contracts. They could spend months facing down

0:46:21.480 --> 0:46:27.840
<v Speaker 1>insignificant companies with many possible replacement subcontractors. Oh sorry, that

0:46:27.960 --> 0:46:30.360
<v Speaker 1>was a lot. That was a big info dump, but

0:46:30.400 --> 0:46:33.200
<v Speaker 1>I think it is useful information. So the goal isn't

0:46:33.280 --> 0:46:37.920
<v Speaker 1>to sway companies with moralizing arguments, but to frame their

0:46:37.920 --> 0:46:42.560
<v Speaker 1>association with militarized policing or ecological destruction as a bad

0:46:42.600 --> 0:46:45.560
<v Speaker 1>look that could hurt their reputation and ability to secure

0:46:45.640 --> 0:46:50.680
<v Speaker 1>future clients. Combined with economic consentives inflicted on the service

0:46:50.680 --> 0:46:55.160
<v Speaker 1>provider like access sabotage, the resulting targeted campaign attacking physical

0:46:55.200 --> 0:46:58.560
<v Speaker 1>and social capital can lead to pressure on third parties

0:46:58.560 --> 0:47:01.279
<v Speaker 1>to influence the decision of the service provider on whether

0:47:01.400 --> 0:47:04.640
<v Speaker 1>or not to stay on the project. Methodologies can put

0:47:04.680 --> 0:47:07.680
<v Speaker 1>to the test through practice and be judged by the outcome.

0:47:08.320 --> 0:47:11.279
<v Speaker 1>The proposal to employ the shock strategy to defend the

0:47:11.320 --> 0:47:14.080
<v Speaker 1>Forest is just built on the simple hypothesis that if

0:47:14.120 --> 0:47:16.560
<v Speaker 1>Reeves Young is forced to drop the contract with Atlanta

0:47:16.560 --> 0:47:19.959
<v Speaker 1>Police Foundation, the Atlanta Police Foundation investors will then lose

0:47:19.960 --> 0:47:23.440
<v Speaker 1>the confidence that's required to find an adequate replacement and

0:47:23.480 --> 0:47:27.200
<v Speaker 1>the project could stumble or fail. The same goes for

0:47:27.280 --> 0:47:31.200
<v Speaker 1>the Black Hall project. If activists defeat Reeves Young by

0:47:31.239 --> 0:47:34.279
<v Speaker 1>means of direct action and self organization, even if the

0:47:34.280 --> 0:47:38.160
<v Speaker 1>project of finds a new contractor, sophistication and confidence in

0:47:38.200 --> 0:47:40.919
<v Speaker 1>the movement will have developed in the process will likely

0:47:41.000 --> 0:47:46.040
<v Speaker 1>help it evolve once again. Also that people have figured

0:47:46.040 --> 0:47:49.040
<v Speaker 1>out because like for the first to after the first

0:47:49.120 --> 0:47:52.640
<v Speaker 1>to arsons, you could literally just walk up to during

0:47:52.719 --> 0:47:57.640
<v Speaker 1>daylight up to the area of Michelle Opa Park and

0:47:58.280 --> 0:48:03.160
<v Speaker 1>touch take pictures of like uh have sex around, like

0:48:03.280 --> 0:48:06.880
<v Speaker 1>make out with the construction equipment I've been burned, and

0:48:06.920 --> 0:48:10.120
<v Speaker 1>you could see the stickers of where they had rented

0:48:10.160 --> 0:48:17.160
<v Speaker 1>these like construction equipment, UM destruction equipment, and like after

0:48:17.200 --> 0:48:20.000
<v Speaker 1>the first one it changed, there was no longer rented

0:48:20.000 --> 0:48:22.200
<v Speaker 1>from the same company, and after the second one it

0:48:22.360 --> 0:48:26.880
<v Speaker 1>changed again. And there is reason to believe that with

0:48:27.120 --> 0:48:32.200
<v Speaker 1>every arson or attack that they are changing construction equipment

0:48:32.280 --> 0:48:36.480
<v Speaker 1>companies because rental companies tend to not like it whenever

0:48:36.520 --> 0:48:39.480
<v Speaker 1>their equipment is destroyed to cost them a lot of money,

0:48:39.880 --> 0:48:44.760
<v Speaker 1>and oftentimes they cannot afford hundreds of thousands of dollars

0:48:44.800 --> 0:48:47.920
<v Speaker 1>going down the drain be to support a pot project

0:48:47.960 --> 0:48:51.879
<v Speaker 1>that is highly unpopular. And the other thing what we're

0:48:51.880 --> 0:48:54.680
<v Speaker 1>talking about with the modified like a police and modifying

0:48:54.719 --> 0:48:58.000
<v Speaker 1>itself as it's interesting because where at this point where

0:48:58.000 --> 0:49:01.520
<v Speaker 1>policing is highly unpopular, and so it's kind of padging

0:49:01.560 --> 0:49:04.319
<v Speaker 1>its bets and it's doing two things. First, it's calling

0:49:04.360 --> 0:49:08.400
<v Speaker 1>itself like the Social Peace and Justice cute Bunny Rabbits

0:49:08.400 --> 0:49:11.960
<v Speaker 1>Center for your racist if you don't like us or whatever.

0:49:12.360 --> 0:49:15.400
<v Speaker 1>And then it's also just like mask off, doubling down

0:49:15.560 --> 0:49:20.920
<v Speaker 1>buying mad guns like like yet just becoming increasingly more militarized,

0:49:21.000 --> 0:49:24.920
<v Speaker 1>increasingly more violent and like moving mask off like an

0:49:24.920 --> 0:49:30.040
<v Speaker 1>occupying force. So there's this split where there's no and

0:49:30.080 --> 0:49:32.640
<v Speaker 1>people are well aware of this. There's there's no like

0:49:32.960 --> 0:49:41.160
<v Speaker 1>public chance of convincing um a lot of companies that

0:49:41.280 --> 0:49:45.359
<v Speaker 1>this is wrong. Right, there's it's it's it's well, it's

0:49:45.440 --> 0:49:48.760
<v Speaker 1>very divided. So the people who are committed are very committed.

0:49:49.000 --> 0:49:52.520
<v Speaker 1>There are fucking enemies and where their enemies and that's it.

0:49:53.440 --> 0:49:55.480
<v Speaker 1>But then there's other people who are doing this for

0:49:55.520 --> 0:50:00.839
<v Speaker 1>economic reasons and kind of understand that policing is not cute, right,

0:50:00.920 --> 0:50:03.840
<v Speaker 1>and then it's at least unpopular, going out of fashion

0:50:04.680 --> 0:50:08.160
<v Speaker 1>to some degree, and can make money in other ways.

0:50:08.800 --> 0:50:13.160
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it's this interesting thing where like being able

0:50:13.200 --> 0:50:18.000
<v Speaker 1>to like fight battles for public opinion maybe doesn't super work,

0:50:18.080 --> 0:50:20.880
<v Speaker 1>and all you have to do is um kind of

0:50:20.880 --> 0:50:24.440
<v Speaker 1>trying to cut away the people who are supporting people

0:50:24.480 --> 0:50:29.960
<v Speaker 1>who are ideologically committed to our destruction, and we are,

0:50:30.000 --> 0:50:34.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, field reciprocal. If you look at the photos

0:50:35.280 --> 0:50:38.640
<v Speaker 1>of what was happening with Michelle Obama park, the land

0:50:38.680 --> 0:50:41.399
<v Speaker 1>swap site they were trying to build on. You can

0:50:41.440 --> 0:50:45.680
<v Speaker 1>tell that heavy yellow equipment. LLC of Marietta, Georgia stopped

0:50:45.760 --> 0:50:49.200
<v Speaker 1>providing them equipment after like the first or the second

0:50:49.200 --> 0:50:51.600
<v Speaker 1>time that their machines got lit on fire. And now

0:50:51.640 --> 0:50:55.400
<v Speaker 1>it's alf A l I f of I don't know

0:50:55.400 --> 0:50:59.400
<v Speaker 1>where Georgia. So you know, these are photos that you

0:50:59.440 --> 0:51:03.440
<v Speaker 1>can see, like you can look at these communities and

0:51:03.520 --> 0:51:07.440
<v Speaker 1>just tell like like if there's a photo attached, like

0:51:07.560 --> 0:51:11.520
<v Speaker 1>there is a traceable like trend of companies are dropping

0:51:11.520 --> 0:51:14.840
<v Speaker 1>the funk out because they, for whatever reason, just cannot

0:51:15.040 --> 0:51:20.640
<v Speaker 1>take the heat. On June twelve, while fully in the

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<v Speaker 1>throes of nationwide revolt against police after the murder of

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<v Speaker 1>George Floyd, two Atlanta police officers killed Ray Schard Brooks,

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<v Speaker 1>a black man who had been sleeping in his car

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<v Speaker 1>in the parking lot of a Wendy's. Not long after,

0:51:32.960 --> 0:51:36.000
<v Speaker 1>the restaurant was burnt to the ground by determined crowds.

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<v Speaker 1>In the time period between June to the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the year, more than two hundred Atlanta police officers left

0:51:43.160 --> 0:51:47.040
<v Speaker 1>their jobs, including the a chief of police, local sheriff's deputies,

0:51:47.360 --> 0:51:50.879
<v Speaker 1>state patrolmen, and transit cops also resigned during the year

0:51:50.880 --> 0:51:55.279
<v Speaker 1>of the uprising at a higher than average rate, as

0:51:55.320 --> 0:51:59.000
<v Speaker 1>the entire system of policing and capitalism faced a crisis

0:51:59.000 --> 0:52:04.680
<v Speaker 1>of legitimacy. Corporations, business owners, landlords, business associations, and international

0:52:04.719 --> 0:52:09.439
<v Speaker 1>real estate companies demand a public pacification and a reassurance

0:52:09.520 --> 0:52:14.400
<v Speaker 1>of a future with stable consumerism. Profit incentive and police

0:52:14.560 --> 0:52:18.640
<v Speaker 1>need each other in a symbia like relationship. I'll do

0:52:18.719 --> 0:52:21.880
<v Speaker 1>one of my last crime thing quotes here. Quote. Forces

0:52:22.000 --> 0:52:26.120
<v Speaker 1>in local and federal government, business associations, police departments, and

0:52:26.160 --> 0:52:29.680
<v Speaker 1>our militias have continuously worked to make sure a popular

0:52:29.760 --> 0:52:34.359
<v Speaker 1>uprising does not reoccur. A large part of the institutional

0:52:34.400 --> 0:52:39.320
<v Speaker 1>reaction to the popular uprising has focused on managing public perception.

0:52:39.920 --> 0:52:44.520
<v Speaker 1>Industrial interests and private investment companies have conducted influence campaigns

0:52:44.640 --> 0:52:48.799
<v Speaker 1>using local news outlets which are owned by Sinclair Broadcasting

0:52:48.840 --> 0:52:53.279
<v Speaker 1>Group of a right wing news organization between Sinclair, Next Star,

0:52:53.880 --> 0:52:59.080
<v Speaker 1>Gray Tega, and Tribune. This coordinated reframing of events has

0:52:59.200 --> 0:53:02.440
<v Speaker 1>damaged the way many sectors of the television viewing public

0:53:02.760 --> 0:53:07.799
<v Speaker 1>perceive the revolt and its consequences. In the wake of

0:53:07.800 --> 0:53:11.600
<v Speaker 1>the uprising, a false narrative circulated to the effect that police,

0:53:12.120 --> 0:53:16.600
<v Speaker 1>while demoralized and underfunded, cannot control the crime waves currently

0:53:16.680 --> 0:53:21.160
<v Speaker 1>sweeping the country. This orchestrated narrative has shaped the imaginations

0:53:21.200 --> 0:53:25.200
<v Speaker 1>of suburban whites, small business owners, and many urban progressives.

0:53:25.800 --> 0:53:28.759
<v Speaker 1>The crime wave framework implied that police departments around the

0:53:28.840 --> 0:53:32.680
<v Speaker 1>country had in fact been defunded or had their powers curtailed,

0:53:32.960 --> 0:53:36.800
<v Speaker 1>and were consequently unable to assure social peace or free enterprise.

0:53:37.440 --> 0:53:40.520
<v Speaker 1>In reality, the vast majority of police departments received an

0:53:40.560 --> 0:53:44.400
<v Speaker 1>annual increase in their budgets as they normally do. If anything,

0:53:44.480 --> 0:53:49.279
<v Speaker 1>they accrued more power following the events of So it's

0:53:49.440 --> 0:53:52.720
<v Speaker 1>no coincidence that the Atlanta Police Foundation and the Atlanta

0:53:52.719 --> 0:53:56.560
<v Speaker 1>Police Department are pushing to build a militarized urban warfare

0:53:56.600 --> 0:53:59.840
<v Speaker 1>training center in the wake of the uprisings by le

0:54:00.080 --> 0:54:03.640
<v Speaker 1>virging that crime wave narrative and the fears of future

0:54:03.880 --> 0:54:07.120
<v Speaker 1>social unrest, they want to have the tools to bring

0:54:07.200 --> 0:54:12.000
<v Speaker 1>down the inevitable upcoming revolts for racial, environmental and economic justice,

0:54:12.280 --> 0:54:17.000
<v Speaker 1>and now more than ever, including reproductive justice. Cops cities

0:54:17.120 --> 0:54:19.120
<v Speaker 1>leading the charge is a part of a new effort

0:54:19.160 --> 0:54:22.600
<v Speaker 1>to adapt American policing strategies to our new era of

0:54:22.640 --> 0:54:26.960
<v Speaker 1>societal decay and the ever crumbling that will define this

0:54:27.080 --> 0:54:31.719
<v Speaker 1>century as we face the escalating consequences of industrialization and

0:54:31.840 --> 0:54:37.839
<v Speaker 1>climate change. I think another really important thing to look

0:54:37.880 --> 0:54:41.880
<v Speaker 1>at this is like when you look at the Greg

0:54:41.960 --> 0:54:45.600
<v Speaker 1>Floyd uprising in the crisis of private policing and they

0:54:45.640 --> 0:54:50.040
<v Speaker 1>realize that, oh, holy sh it, people are so angry

0:54:50.040 --> 0:54:52.440
<v Speaker 1>about this that they will pose a threat to the

0:54:52.480 --> 0:54:55.160
<v Speaker 1>sovereg the state, which is the first time that has

0:54:55.239 --> 0:54:59.840
<v Speaker 1>happened in an extremely long time. When that finally happened

0:55:00.520 --> 0:55:05.840
<v Speaker 1>the state, the morale of police departments around the country

0:55:06.200 --> 0:55:13.000
<v Speaker 1>was broken. Cops everywhere, We're like, it was a demoralizing thing.

0:55:13.080 --> 0:55:16.880
<v Speaker 1>And when you think about cops as an occupying force,

0:55:16.960 --> 0:55:21.720
<v Speaker 1>as an occupying military force, it thinking about the fact

0:55:21.719 --> 0:55:26.000
<v Speaker 1>that we broke their morale is really important. And then

0:55:26.160 --> 0:55:31.840
<v Speaker 1>thinking about this place as they intend to build a

0:55:31.840 --> 0:55:36.560
<v Speaker 1>training facility to increase morale, which is a classic military

0:55:36.640 --> 0:55:41.680
<v Speaker 1>tactic of create cool and interesting ways to train your

0:55:41.719 --> 0:55:45.920
<v Speaker 1>soldiers to do a murder. Is like, that is a

0:55:45.960 --> 0:55:49.279
<v Speaker 1>classic military tactic. And when you think begin to think

0:55:49.320 --> 0:55:52.600
<v Speaker 1>about this as social or when you begin to think

0:55:52.600 --> 0:55:56.440
<v Speaker 1>about this as not just a struggle against cops city

0:55:56.640 --> 0:56:03.960
<v Speaker 1>that like as a struggle for like disabling and destroying

0:56:04.080 --> 0:56:06.920
<v Speaker 1>the police. When you think about this as a material

0:56:07.040 --> 0:56:12.360
<v Speaker 1>struggle against the occupying forces that are the police, this

0:56:12.600 --> 0:56:17.239
<v Speaker 1>becomes like way more contextual. In fact, I feel like

0:56:17.280 --> 0:56:22.080
<v Speaker 1>that is the best way to contextualize this movement. So

0:56:23.840 --> 0:56:26.319
<v Speaker 1>one interesting thing is that after Ray Schard Brooks is

0:56:26.400 --> 0:56:30.960
<v Speaker 1>murdered and the UM two cops involved were UM, they

0:56:31.160 --> 0:56:35.880
<v Speaker 1>substitquently charged UM what was it, six hundred props went

0:56:35.920 --> 0:56:41.680
<v Speaker 1>on second hundreds of hundreds UM, and their morale is broken.

0:56:41.760 --> 0:56:46.799
<v Speaker 1>A land police has always been understaffed for like as

0:56:46.800 --> 0:56:50.759
<v Speaker 1>long as I've known, UM and not understaffed by any

0:56:50.800 --> 0:56:54.400
<v Speaker 1>media propaganda spend standard there standards. But like every single

0:56:54.520 --> 0:56:58.640
<v Speaker 1>day they're facing backlogs in every zone where they cannot

0:56:58.680 --> 0:57:01.879
<v Speaker 1>answer calls. And that's a good thing. This is a

0:57:01.880 --> 0:57:07.200
<v Speaker 1>war patriction where their current training facilities have broken. Tottchney

0:57:07.320 --> 0:57:16.880
<v Speaker 1>pipes have have have undeniably miserable conditions. Their cars are out,

0:57:17.160 --> 0:57:21.960
<v Speaker 1>their cars are like continually on their last legs, and

0:57:22.000 --> 0:57:25.880
<v Speaker 1>we that's that is a path through abolition is making

0:57:25.920 --> 0:57:28.360
<v Speaker 1>it so it is so undesirable to be a cop

0:57:28.480 --> 0:57:31.680
<v Speaker 1>in this city or any city that no one would

0:57:31.760 --> 0:57:34.880
<v Speaker 1>dare do it. It is crucial that police are not

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<v Speaker 1>the only ones that seek to evolve their tactics for

0:57:37.720 --> 0:57:41.120
<v Speaker 1>a new era and moving beyond the kind of non

0:57:41.240 --> 0:57:44.360
<v Speaker 1>violent action that's become so common during protests during the

0:57:44.360 --> 0:57:47.240
<v Speaker 1>Trump era and the post Green Scare, and even like

0:57:47.360 --> 0:57:50.960
<v Speaker 1>post occupy, there is this looking for a new form

0:57:51.040 --> 0:57:56.760
<v Speaker 1>of anarchist or radical resistance. Really emphasized the learning things

0:57:56.800 --> 0:58:01.520
<v Speaker 1>here is that this struggle took all the different rulebooks,

0:58:01.600 --> 0:58:03.600
<v Speaker 1>tore them up, set them on fire, and use the

0:58:03.640 --> 0:58:08.640
<v Speaker 1>ashes for their shutter. Like everyone here is learning things.

0:58:08.680 --> 0:58:11.560
<v Speaker 1>People who have been who have been doing things along

0:58:11.760 --> 0:58:17.240
<v Speaker 1>fucking time are here and learning new things. We're we're

0:58:17.240 --> 0:58:21.480
<v Speaker 1>not just like tearing up and like destroying the rule books.

0:58:21.960 --> 0:58:33.800
<v Speaker 1>We're like we're like largest were weird. Yeah, yeah, like

0:58:34.160 --> 0:58:37.280
<v Speaker 1>put them like it, like tore all of them up

0:58:37.280 --> 0:58:40.680
<v Speaker 1>and make collogious out of them, and like is trying

0:58:40.680 --> 0:58:43.320
<v Speaker 1>to create this like weird paper mache mesh of a

0:58:43.720 --> 0:58:48.720
<v Speaker 1>experimental path into the future, And and like we wouldn't

0:58:49.240 --> 0:58:54.080
<v Speaker 1>when we say we are experimenting with new forms of revolt,

0:58:54.200 --> 0:58:58.760
<v Speaker 1>new new tactics, new strategies, We truly mean, there aren't

0:58:58.880 --> 0:59:03.200
<v Speaker 1>existing model to do what we're doing. We are writing

0:59:03.400 --> 0:59:06.360
<v Speaker 1>the book as we could do it, and yeah, we

0:59:06.520 --> 0:59:09.680
<v Speaker 1>sunk up sometimes, but we've also got some really cool

0:59:09.800 --> 0:59:13.840
<v Speaker 1>ship happening. Ship that hasn't happened in twenty years is happening,

0:59:14.000 --> 0:59:18.200
<v Speaker 1>and ship that hasn't happened ever is happening here. And

0:59:18.240 --> 0:59:24.160
<v Speaker 1>I think that's like a really it's a really important

0:59:24.240 --> 0:59:31.439
<v Speaker 1>thing to touch on. Is that, like much of the yeah,

0:59:31.760 --> 0:59:34.760
<v Speaker 1>much of the like eco defense ship that's happened in

0:59:34.840 --> 0:59:40.320
<v Speaker 1>North America that for quite a while has like not done,

0:59:40.680 --> 0:59:44.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, or at least not released, communicates about like

0:59:45.240 --> 0:59:50.520
<v Speaker 1>ship that happens here seemingly every couple of weeks. Now,

0:59:51.840 --> 0:59:59.560
<v Speaker 1>like the ship here is crazy and wild under dreams

0:59:59.840 --> 1:00:04.960
<v Speaker 1>is also scary and hard and traumatizing, and it's beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>and terrifying and like, yeah, that sounds great, you should come. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a such a way from us actually evolving

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<v Speaker 1>out of a I look at this as like a

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<v Speaker 1>huge step in what land offense looks like after we

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<v Speaker 1>have after we have faced green Scare repression, and now

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<v Speaker 1>we are moving past the post green Scare repression movements

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<v Speaker 1>and figuring out how to move forward and regardless of

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<v Speaker 1>it for this like uh lands and are really repressive

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<v Speaker 1>like bootstounded throats like situation. I don't think anyone should

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<v Speaker 1>ever stop experimenting. I don't think people should go back

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<v Speaker 1>to the old ways. I don't think that we should

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<v Speaker 1>be resigned to not experiment. I think that everyone, like

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<v Speaker 1>we are in a situation where there is nor future.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like the collapses now, We're probably not going to

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<v Speaker 1>avoid one point five degrees warming. Our police are only

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<v Speaker 1>further mails rising. And the like reality of resistance is

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<v Speaker 1>that we that we guess what we need experimentation. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>if there was a winning strategy that was proven to

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<v Speaker 1>be effective, then it would have it would have been

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<v Speaker 1>effective in therapy, we would have a winning strategy. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a popular name in the forest, which is the are

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<v Speaker 1>your name instead of are you? Are you experiencing the

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<v Speaker 1>joy of attacks on UM? And I think that is

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<v Speaker 1>an important line the same way Cops City is a

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<v Speaker 1>part of the new evolution of American policing. Defend the

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<v Speaker 1>Atlanta Forest can be seen as kind of trailblazing for

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<v Speaker 1>future movements, a look at how they might develop post

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<v Speaker 1>the George Floyd protests for my last final I think

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<v Speaker 1>quote quote. This campaign represents a crucial effort to chart

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<v Speaker 1>new paths forward in the wake of the George Floyd rebellion,

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<v Speaker 1>linking the defense of the land that sustains us with

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<v Speaker 1>the struggle against police. The movement opposed these developments, mobilizing

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<v Speaker 1>around the watchwords defend the Forest and stop Coops City,

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<v Speaker 1>have passed through several phases of experimentation, using a wide

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<v Speaker 1>array of tactics and strategies to keep pace with the

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<v Speaker 1>current course of events. It represents an important effort to

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<v Speaker 1>revitalize eco defense and police abolition strategies in the wake

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<v Speaker 1>of the George Floyd rebellion. So, considering the possible wide

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<v Speaker 1>ranging impacts of both the evolution of policing and the

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<v Speaker 1>evolution of resistance tactics that defend the Atlanta Force movement

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<v Speaker 1>is extremely relevant to all people who want to improve

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<v Speaker 1>the world, whether or not they live in Atlanta. Atlanta

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<v Speaker 1>as a testing ground for new surveillance and like in

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<v Speaker 1>like experimenting with new forms of struggle. Here in Atlanta,

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<v Speaker 1>there are things that not only are we in many

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<v Speaker 1>ways on the front lines of experimenting with new tactics,

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<v Speaker 1>and integrating new strategies and how they work. That we're

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<v Speaker 1>also on the front lines of like different kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>both like like in person and digital forms of oppression

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<v Speaker 1>that don't have to be worried about other places, and

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<v Speaker 1>like it also provides approving ground for ways to struggle

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<v Speaker 1>specifically against those forms of surveillance and understanding the different

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<v Speaker 1>ways that sometimes the most effective thing in protecting yourself

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<v Speaker 1>from repression isn't some super high tech ship. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>ski mask of paragloves and not bringing your phone, and

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<v Speaker 1>like people don't seem to like think about that that

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<v Speaker 1>I don't need to go to that part. But yet,

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<v Speaker 1>so speaking of surveillance, we actually have like not we

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<v Speaker 1>I don't claim that, UM. The police here and the

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<v Speaker 1>state here has like the video Video re Integration System,

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<v Speaker 1>which I believe is like one of our re integration

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<v Speaker 1>video integration center where they take where businesses and homeowners

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<v Speaker 1>are like rain cameras can call into here their video

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<v Speaker 1>surveillance equipment to be plugged into a network UM that

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<v Speaker 1>can be monitored and pulled up at any time by

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<v Speaker 1>the police UM in a downtown location and they and

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<v Speaker 1>that is like one of the largest surveillance network systems

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<v Speaker 1>in the world, I believe, um and it was actually

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<v Speaker 1>leading the charge in like new forms of surveillance, and

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<v Speaker 1>other cities are looking at this as a model of

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<v Speaker 1>how to how to better survey all their own cities,

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<v Speaker 1>which obviously makes lend police defindation trying to create their

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<v Speaker 1>own little mini city a very interesting prospect in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of like establishing new you know, this means this is

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned before, which was like establishing new ideas and how

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<v Speaker 1>to take policing forward into thirties after we've had these

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<v Speaker 1>wave of social justice like uprising and uprisings for Black

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<v Speaker 1>liss Matter, um with you know. I mean not many

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<v Speaker 1>places actually got defunded, but the propaganda has to be different,

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<v Speaker 1>and like the way the police optics work definitely could

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<v Speaker 1>need to be changed from their perspective, or they're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to have them be changed. One of the strongest things

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like came out of this movement really pass

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<v Speaker 1>ahead was our ability to don't have the game on,

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<v Speaker 1>like the narrative and then never being able to recuperate

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<v Speaker 1>that narrative is their plan was this answertude for sexual justice.

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<v Speaker 1>There is a new way of training police to quote

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<v Speaker 1>be better or like not murder people as much and

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<v Speaker 1>like more refined. Um, And I don't want more refined

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<v Speaker 1>like police that like murder quote the right people or

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<v Speaker 1>be the right people or cage the right people. That's

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<v Speaker 1>not my desire I went into policing. Yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 1>that there's a lot of projects happening in the forest,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, I also just want to emphasize, like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not from Atlanta, but I feel like it's really

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<v Speaker 1>important for me to be here. You know. I think

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people who felt inspired by the George

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<v Speaker 1>Fluid uprising, like, um, this is an attempt to recuperate.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I've said this a million times, it's a time

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<v Speaker 1>for the police to recuperate from that, and I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>to finish what we started. I also think that we

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<v Speaker 1>need to understand that this isn't just about Atlanta. Like

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<v Speaker 1>one of the buildings that they're trying to build, and

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<v Speaker 1>like one of the points of this training facility is

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<v Speaker 1>that it is like a hub in the same way

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<v Speaker 1>Atlanta with a with a movie theater, the same way

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<v Speaker 1>they're trying to make Atlanta this hub. Right, It's there's

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<v Speaker 1>an infrastructure for being a hub from shipping and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like that. And so now they're trying to make it

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<v Speaker 1>this this economic habit on my white collar way. And

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<v Speaker 1>so they're trying to make it a hub for police

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<v Speaker 1>in Atlanta, but also to train police to do fucked

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<v Speaker 1>ship and to mutate like nationally. And I know that

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<v Speaker 1>the police from the you know, whatever city I live

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<v Speaker 1>in are probably going to come here and go back

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<v Speaker 1>and funk that up. So I'm trying to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>that they can't come here, and that you know, police

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<v Speaker 1>are demoralized in every city and they're having trouble on

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<v Speaker 1>every city. And this isn't just about the ap D.

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<v Speaker 1>If you live pretty much anywhere on the East Coast,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a high chance that your police are going to

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<v Speaker 1>come here and then go back to your house and

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<v Speaker 1>fuck you up. So come here and make sure they can't.

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<v Speaker 1>And the other thing I want to say is like, um, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they want to make this a training facility for police.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, it is a training facility for anarchists. If

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<v Speaker 1>you come here, I promise you you will leave with

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<v Speaker 1>more courage and with more skills and knowing a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of fun people who are really fucking down all over

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<v Speaker 1>the country. Um, and I think it's worth it. I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to jump in and say, like, this is about you. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>An hour or two hours south of here is the

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<v Speaker 1>School of the America's you might have heard of it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's here in Georgia. It's where a lot of awful

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<v Speaker 1>fucking dictators and their henchmen learned how to do really

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<v Speaker 1>awful ship a bunch of war crimes. And here in

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<v Speaker 1>the city of Atlanta, a local school, the largest, the

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<v Speaker 1>largest university in the state, Georgia State University, hears something

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<v Speaker 1>called the Georgia International Law Enforcement Exchange or GILLY, which

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<v Speaker 1>is where they and the i DF get together to

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<v Speaker 1>train local police forces here in Atlanta and around the country.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you don't think that Cops City is going

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<v Speaker 1>to play a huge role in your police department learning

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<v Speaker 1>from the i d F how to beat you up,

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<v Speaker 1>you have another thing. You should come here to Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 1>What's going on? Because this is about everyone here, like

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<v Speaker 1>it's about the whole country. They're coming to Atlanta to

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<v Speaker 1>learn how to brutalize people, and it's going to take

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<v Speaker 1>all of us to stop it. A funny thing about

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<v Speaker 1>this project is that there's these sort of dual intersections

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<v Speaker 1>and dual microcosms. On one side, there is the intersection

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<v Speaker 1>of policing, gentrification, racism, ecological destruction, and climate change. And

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<v Speaker 1>on the other side there's the intersection between the tactics

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<v Speaker 1>of urban city protest and rule eco defense. But there's

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<v Speaker 1>also this dual microcosm. On the side of the state,

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<v Speaker 1>they're trying to construct this police facility with a mock

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<v Speaker 1>city to train in microcosm for protest suppression and practice

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<v Speaker 1>urban combat against people who live in American cities. And

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<v Speaker 1>on the people's side, there's this microcosm not only for

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<v Speaker 1>how resistance movements can evolve post but more importantly for

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<v Speaker 1>the people in up in the struggle, a microcosm for

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<v Speaker 1>how you can live a life free of the oppressive

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<v Speaker 1>societal mechanisms that we claim to oppose. I think another

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<v Speaker 1>really interesting thing about this being like such an ungovernable

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<v Speaker 1>space is that because it's ungeferable, because it's impossible to control,

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<v Speaker 1>it allows us to create these new ways of relating

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<v Speaker 1>to be traveled there that can't happen to other places.

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<v Speaker 1>Like where else are like people in their everyday lives

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<v Speaker 1>just gonna be able to walk around as gender funded

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<v Speaker 1>as they want, and like just it's fine, like you

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<v Speaker 1>know if they're if a clear basher comes into these

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<v Speaker 1>fucking woods, like it's gonna be a bad time because

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<v Speaker 1>literally everyone here is queer, like we don't. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>thing is like when we exist in these spaces in

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<v Speaker 1>this ungovernable way, we like are like eating many versions

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<v Speaker 1>of Yeah, this thing I want to talk to, something

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to talk about in terms of like the

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<v Speaker 1>microcos of macrocosm idea of after uprising looking for new

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<v Speaker 1>paths forward, the depending on a forest thing can be

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<v Speaker 1>viewed as this microcost, like this micro causum of how

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<v Speaker 1>we can approach different struggles going into going into twentyties

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff um, because yeah, like it is like this

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<v Speaker 1>small version of what we want. There's also the whole

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<v Speaker 1>idea of like what I've seen here in the forest

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<v Speaker 1>more closely resembles like an actual temporary autonomous zone than

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<v Speaker 1>like the chads ever did in terms of like people

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<v Speaker 1>actually like actually living free, actually living like not relying

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<v Speaker 1>on like city water, like not like not living in

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<v Speaker 1>like the in a downtown metro area. It's like it's

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<v Speaker 1>an actual free space where people can be queer and

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<v Speaker 1>be all of the things and climb trees and talk

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<v Speaker 1>with the deer and like that's people are actually allowed

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<v Speaker 1>to do that, Like there's there's not all of the

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<v Speaker 1>stigma that even I think, like Chazz had like so

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<v Speaker 1>many problems, right, like extremely extremely hashtag problematic in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of how that resulted. Um, And yeah, this is such

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<v Speaker 1>a microcosm of like like an autonomous area where people

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<v Speaker 1>are able to do those things. I also kind of

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk about like the like idea, our ideas

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<v Speaker 1>of safety and security don't reside and like the ideas

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<v Speaker 1>of say a safety or security for us, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>really resides in our trust in ourselves and each other.

1:12:35.840 --> 1:12:39.400
<v Speaker 1>It resides and like we actually keep each other safe.

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<v Speaker 1>We have each other's backs, we will fight for each other,

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<v Speaker 1>and any threat to any one of us is like

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<v Speaker 1>taken seriously. We have this like intimacy, criminal intimacy like

1:12:55.280 --> 1:13:01.800
<v Speaker 1>allows us to build more check nuan relationships with high

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<v Speaker 1>highs and low lows than anything ever could. And like

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<v Speaker 1>the deafening that society puts on us, this like chemically

1:13:11.360 --> 1:13:19.000
<v Speaker 1>induced regulated median of gray and terrible is that's not

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<v Speaker 1>what we live. Yes, some days here it sucks to

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<v Speaker 1>wake up and everything you ownly wet and you gotta

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<v Speaker 1>go ship in a hole that it's fled. But also

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<v Speaker 1>some days things here are fucking awesome, and I get

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<v Speaker 1>to wake up to the birds calling and go like,

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<v Speaker 1>have a party with my friends. I don't like exist

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<v Speaker 1>here in a way it is like comprehensible or legible

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<v Speaker 1>to like a wider like society. I don't exist in

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<v Speaker 1>a way that people look at this and be like, ah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what you need. But I have never been happier

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<v Speaker 1>than when I've been in the woods with people I

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<v Speaker 1>trust and care about and don't have my back. People

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<v Speaker 1>people don't have to worry about working to pay their

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<v Speaker 1>water bill because you can go just get the things

1:14:12.160 --> 1:14:14.720
<v Speaker 1>you need from places you don't have to pay for it,

1:14:15.160 --> 1:14:18.080
<v Speaker 1>And like, you don't have to worry about all of

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<v Speaker 1>these things, all of these societal pressures. There's not this

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<v Speaker 1>constant threat of oh I lose my job. Oh all

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<v Speaker 1>those things, all those things, all these mental constructs that

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<v Speaker 1>control us aren't there anymore. Because we've built a world

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't it doesn't rely on that in the slightest

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's like a really powerful thing that like,

1:14:44.400 --> 1:14:47.920
<v Speaker 1>we've already met our own needs and so we can

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<v Speaker 1>fight back in these beautiful and fiery ways. Pun intended

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<v Speaker 1>that like allow us to just experience things that like

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<v Speaker 1>I've been stolen from us generations. Yeah, I was gonna say,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not safe, but we're free. And I think that

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<v Speaker 1>anyone who makes that decision as an active decision to

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<v Speaker 1>not be safe but to be free, I may not like,

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<v Speaker 1>but by definition I'll ride for them, because I can't say.

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<v Speaker 1>We're now nearing the end of the episode, but before

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<v Speaker 1>I finish, I need to go back to talking about

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<v Speaker 1>tactics for a bit and end with some actual good news.

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<v Speaker 1>From January to present time of recording, there's been an

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<v Speaker 1>increase in solidarity attacks in cities across the country, some

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<v Speaker 1>targeting Reeves Young and Long engineering equipment. In other states,

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<v Speaker 1>a third party service providers of contracted construction companies or

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<v Speaker 1>locations and offices of corporate sponsors of the Atlanta Police Foundation.

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<v Speaker 1>This past March, X machines owned by Reeves Young, including

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<v Speaker 1>two large excavators and a bulldozer, were destroyed in Flowery Branch, Georgia.

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<v Speaker 1>The online communicate reads quote, so long as you continue

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<v Speaker 1>to contract with the Atlanta Police Foundation for the destruction

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<v Speaker 1>of the South Atlanta forest and the construction of a

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<v Speaker 1>Cops City in its place. Know that your equipment is

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<v Speaker 1>not safe, your offices are not safe, Your homes are

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<v Speaker 1>not safe. Unless your company chooses to pull out of

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<v Speaker 1>the Atlanta Police Foundation's Cops City project of its own volition,

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<v Speaker 1>we will undermine your profits so severely that you'll have

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<v Speaker 1>no choice but to drop the contract unquote. Subsequent solidarity

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<v Speaker 1>attacks have happened in Portland, San Francisco, Salt Lake City, Minneapolis,

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<v Speaker 1>and Highland, Michigan, to name a few. Many of these

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<v Speaker 1>attacks were targeted at Atlas Technical consultants, who own many

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<v Speaker 1>smaller companies such as Long Engineering, which has done work

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<v Speaker 1>with Reeves Young and brass Field and Gorri for the

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<v Speaker 1>Cops City project. The vein of shack style methods. This

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<v Speaker 1>past April, on the ninth website called stop Reeves Young

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<v Speaker 1>dot Com launched onto the interwebs. The site listed some

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<v Speaker 1>of the various third party clients and subcontractors under Reeves

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<v Speaker 1>Young Construction and ways to contact them to voice concern

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<v Speaker 1>about their relation to the deforestation and this urban warfare

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<v Speaker 1>construction project. As well as including the names and addresses

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<v Speaker 1>of executives within Reeves Young and some of their affiliates.

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<v Speaker 1>On the day I was set to leave Atlanta and

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<v Speaker 1>say goodbye to the forest for the time being, activists

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<v Speaker 1>got word that Reeves Young Construction might be dropping out

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<v Speaker 1>of the project. This would obviously be a big, big

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<v Speaker 1>win and an indication of the possible effectiveness of the

1:17:47.360 --> 1:17:51.800
<v Speaker 1>shack method combined with sabotage and the forest encampment tactics.

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<v Speaker 1>At a stakeholders meeting for the copsity of project the

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<v Speaker 1>next day, it was publicly confirmed that Reeves Young will

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<v Speaker 1>not get tinue work on the new police training center.

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<v Speaker 1>In the public statement addressing Reeves Young's lack of future involvement,

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<v Speaker 1>the Atlanta Police Foundation tried to frame the situation as

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<v Speaker 1>Reeves Young simply have quote finished their role in the project.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a laughable deception, as Reeves Young is one

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<v Speaker 1>of Atlanta's major construction firms and has even built massive

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<v Speaker 1>quote unquote public safety facilities in the past. They do

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<v Speaker 1>not merely do preliminary sub contracting survey work. They work

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<v Speaker 1>on projects from start to finish, taking lead contracting roles.

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<v Speaker 1>It was speculated that Reeves Young itself may have been

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<v Speaker 1>the main subcontractor hired to do complete construction of Cops

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<v Speaker 1>City by brass Field and Gory, who have more established

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<v Speaker 1>ties to the Atlanta Police Foundation. Quoting from the Stop

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<v Speaker 1>for Reeves Young website quote, the Atlanta Police Foundation would

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<v Speaker 1>have us believe that Reeves Young was contracted to do

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<v Speaker 1>nothing more than hire a bulldozer and walk alongside long

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<v Speaker 1>engineering work crews as they planted a few surveying stakes

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<v Speaker 1>and did some soil testing. Police and their corporate backers

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to let it be known that a focused

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<v Speaker 1>group of activists have delivered a devastating blow to the

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<v Speaker 1>Cops City construction, while the Atlanta Police Foundation tries to

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<v Speaker 1>say face, we are celebrating a major victory pressuring a

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<v Speaker 1>main contractor out of the project. We are pleased that

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<v Speaker 1>the movement has built up so much momentum and that

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<v Speaker 1>the Cops City development continues to face setbacks because of

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<v Speaker 1>the intelligent actions of regular people. However, the struggle continues.

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<v Speaker 1>Brass Field and Gory, another large general contractor, remains with

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<v Speaker 1>the project. A Georgia Open records request from April confirmed

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<v Speaker 1>via Paper Trail that the Atlanta Police Foundation has been

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<v Speaker 1>working on the Cop City project with brass Field and Gory,

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<v Speaker 1>another major general contractor in the Southeast region of the

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<v Speaker 1>United States. Brass Field and Gory is an LLC and

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<v Speaker 1>a multibillion dollar general contractor, ranked as a top contractor

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<v Speaker 1>in the Southeast by Engineer News Record. Based on recent

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<v Speaker 1>Atlanta Police Foundation emails required through public records, we can

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<v Speaker 1>now assume that brass Field and Gory act as the

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<v Speaker 1>sole contractor for Cops City. Quoting again from the Stop

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<v Speaker 1>Reeves Young website quote, brass Field and Gory are dependent

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<v Speaker 1>on subcontractors to complete their projects. Now they must hire

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<v Speaker 1>a new entire set of subcontractors in order to build

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<v Speaker 1>a Cops City. We believe it is in their best

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<v Speaker 1>interests for brass Field and Gory to follow the lead

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<v Speaker 1>of Reeves Young and drop Atlanta Police Foundation as a client,

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<v Speaker 1>rather than remaining complicit in the destruction of the forest.

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<v Speaker 1>It is up to all of us to make that

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<v Speaker 1>clear to them. We can pressure brass Field and Gory

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<v Speaker 1>out of Cops City by complicating their ability to do business.

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<v Speaker 1>This does not have to be limited to the Cops

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<v Speaker 1>City project. Their various construction projects and third party service

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<v Speaker 1>providers are numerous. If brass Field and Gore begin to

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<v Speaker 1>feel like they must choose between all of their contracts

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<v Speaker 1>and their Cops City con tract, we are confident that

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<v Speaker 1>they will choose the former, but we working to convince

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<v Speaker 1>the subcontractors, consulting firms, surveyors, architects, etcetera around the country

1:21:10.280 --> 1:21:12.879
<v Speaker 1>that brass Field and Gory are not a good business investment.

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<v Speaker 1>We can make it easier for the construction company to

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<v Speaker 1>do the right thing and dump the Atlanta Police Foundation

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<v Speaker 1>for good. This has been an incredible period of momentum

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<v Speaker 1>and research, but nothing is over yet. Now that we

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<v Speaker 1>have made a decisive victory, it is important to remain

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<v Speaker 1>more focused than ever. In the coming weeks and months,

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<v Speaker 1>we will need to continue pressuring all of the contractors

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<v Speaker 1>associated with the project to create economic consentives for them

1:21:36.880 --> 1:21:40.240
<v Speaker 1>to simply move their time and resources to other endeavors.

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<v Speaker 1>The Stop Reeves Young website will continue to serve as

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<v Speaker 1>an educational hub for this ongoing campaign. End quote. On

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<v Speaker 1>top of confirming that Reeves Young was dropping out of

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<v Speaker 1>the project, a few other interesting pieces of information came

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<v Speaker 1>out at the recent stakeholders meeting held on April. Allegedly,

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<v Speaker 1>there will be a bid for the next contractors or

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<v Speaker 1>subcontractors UH in the coming weeks and that will be

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<v Speaker 1>publicly announced. It was also announced during the meeting that

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<v Speaker 1>the cops city planners will keep construction timelines secret and

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<v Speaker 1>may surround the construction site and future facility with an

1:22:19.160 --> 1:22:23.600
<v Speaker 1>unwanted fence. In response to the quote law breaking protesters,

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<v Speaker 1>Atlanta Assistant Police Chief and Site Security Chief Darren sheer

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<v Speaker 1>Bomb said quote, we are working with decav County to

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<v Speaker 1>address any criminal acts related to trespassing and vandalism unquote.

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<v Speaker 1>He also stated that police were also concerned with protesters

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<v Speaker 1>targeting those who work on the project at other locations.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's an interesting note from our force defender pals on

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<v Speaker 1>how the Atlanta Police Department function and are allowed to

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<v Speaker 1>operate while inside the old Atlanta Prison Farm and Entrenchment

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<v Speaker 1>Creek Park. This is something that's true police departments in Channel.

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<v Speaker 1>But as soon as a cop is you know, out

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<v Speaker 1>of like streets and things like that, that cop is

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<v Speaker 1>uncomfortable and like cops here are carrying twenty pounds of

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<v Speaker 1>gear on them at all times. And not only are

1:23:15.880 --> 1:23:20.280
<v Speaker 1>they carrying that much gear, but they spend most all

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<v Speaker 1>day sit running around and sitting in a car, and

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, that cop not only doesn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>chase you through the woods, but they also probably aren't

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<v Speaker 1>capable of it. And aside from the obvious, like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>their infrastructure issues, them being away from their cars, not

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<v Speaker 1>being on the streets having all of their gear. We're

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<v Speaker 1>also not in the City of Atlanta in this forest.

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<v Speaker 1>We're an unincorporated the Cab County, which means Atlanta Police

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<v Speaker 1>Department doesn't have legal jurisdiction as police here. They only

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<v Speaker 1>have legal jurisdiction as agents of the City of Atlanta

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<v Speaker 1>because the City of Atlanta owns this property which is

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<v Speaker 1>outside of the city. So at any time when they're

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<v Speaker 1>conducting and arrest they have to have the Cab County

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<v Speaker 1>Police Department officers present with them. There. There can be

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<v Speaker 1>an Atlanta Police Department and has been major like one

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<v Speaker 1>of their huge like high ranks, who has no legal

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<v Speaker 1>authority here except to represent the city. And that relationship

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of like tenuous at best. They hate each pals.

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<v Speaker 1>They hate each other, and you know, so if you're

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<v Speaker 1>if you're headed in the town, like bear in minds

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<v Speaker 1>that is a huge place to drive a wedge because

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<v Speaker 1>they fucking hate each other. Yeah, I know there's like

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<v Speaker 1>um and there is like one thing one time where

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<v Speaker 1>like Atlant Police officers were inside the forest um with

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<v Speaker 1>like a specific goal in mind in the Cab County

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<v Speaker 1>Police cruisers. Not only good, the Cab police not want

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<v Speaker 1>to gather the cruisers and go into the forest because

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<v Speaker 1>they have they didn't care, they didn't want to do this.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Atlant Police, uh, We're screaming into their radio saying,

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<v Speaker 1>get this person. They're walking out of the forest, get

1:25:09.720 --> 1:25:11.400
<v Speaker 1>this person. They're walking out of the forest, and it

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<v Speaker 1>would just be like fib er ten minutes before the

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<v Speaker 1>Cab police like preserves to just roll down the road

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<v Speaker 1>and like you know, they're like people who like ran

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<v Speaker 1>into the woods and like ran from the age Cat police.

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<v Speaker 1>Like we're like, I'm not going in this world these words.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm also not calling to let the Atlant Police

1:25:31.760 --> 1:25:34.040
<v Speaker 1>to let them know that this person just ran from

1:25:34.040 --> 1:25:37.479
<v Speaker 1>me into the woods, because then they'll have to actually

1:25:37.520 --> 1:25:42.439
<v Speaker 1>go in after them. Also, during the April stakeholder meeting,

1:25:42.760 --> 1:25:45.840
<v Speaker 1>Security Chief shear Bomb announced that the FBI and the

1:25:45.880 --> 1:25:49.280
<v Speaker 1>Georgia Bureau of Investigation agreed to an assistance request in

1:25:49.320 --> 1:25:53.240
<v Speaker 1>mid April from Atlanta Police Chief Rodney Bryant, and we'll

1:25:53.280 --> 1:25:56.400
<v Speaker 1>be assigned to the site. While attempting to work with

1:25:56.479 --> 1:26:00.240
<v Speaker 1>neighborhood watch groups, he noted that quote, we look word

1:26:00.280 --> 1:26:02.400
<v Speaker 1>to working with those agencies to ensure that this is

1:26:02.400 --> 1:26:05.400
<v Speaker 1>a safe project that is occurring here and addressing any

1:26:05.400 --> 1:26:08.000
<v Speaker 1>criminal acts that may be occurring on site to try

1:26:08.040 --> 1:26:12.280
<v Speaker 1>to stop the project from proceeding unquote. The co chair

1:26:12.320 --> 1:26:16.519
<v Speaker 1>of the Stakeholder Advisory Committee, Sharon Williams, invoked the term

1:26:16.920 --> 1:26:21.840
<v Speaker 1>eco terrorism as relating to the forced defense, marking the

1:26:21.920 --> 1:26:24.080
<v Speaker 1>first time that word has been used by the government

1:26:24.120 --> 1:26:28.160
<v Speaker 1>officials to refer to this batch of protests. She also

1:26:28.200 --> 1:26:32.800
<v Speaker 1>thanked the cop City planners for quote transparency in explaining

1:26:32.800 --> 1:26:37.080
<v Speaker 1>why they cannot be transparent on the construction timeline. Emails

1:26:37.120 --> 1:26:39.400
<v Speaker 1>between the Atlanta Police Foundation and the City of Atlanta,

1:26:39.760 --> 1:26:43.840
<v Speaker 1>obtained via public records requests do give a possible look

1:26:43.880 --> 1:26:48.400
<v Speaker 1>into the future of the development. In a January two email,

1:26:48.439 --> 1:26:52.160
<v Speaker 1>Police Foundation representative Allen Williams said that we quote plan

1:26:52.320 --> 1:26:57.360
<v Speaker 1>on enabling work possibly in the Mayo and June time frame.

1:26:57.760 --> 1:27:01.840
<v Speaker 1>Our project will last until the last order, and our

1:27:01.880 --> 1:27:05.519
<v Speaker 1>contractors are currently working on an overall site logistics and

1:27:05.600 --> 1:27:10.800
<v Speaker 1>safety plan unquote, although at the time their contractors still

1:27:10.840 --> 1:27:14.080
<v Speaker 1>included Reeves Young, so there's no telling how accurate that

1:27:14.160 --> 1:27:19.400
<v Speaker 1>timeline is now. Other emails detailed plans for Homeland Security

1:27:19.439 --> 1:27:24.040
<v Speaker 1>to obtain ring camera subscriptions to monitor quote criminal activity

1:27:24.040 --> 1:27:28.080
<v Speaker 1>at the new Academy footprint unquote. In general, when involved

1:27:28.080 --> 1:27:31.320
<v Speaker 1>in any level of protest, no matter of the alleged legality,

1:27:31.880 --> 1:27:36.360
<v Speaker 1>security culture considerations should always be among people's top priorities,

1:27:36.760 --> 1:27:39.400
<v Speaker 1>especially with more eyes being directed to the defend the

1:27:39.400 --> 1:27:44.120
<v Speaker 1>Atlanta Forced project. Each person should be responsible for themselves

1:27:44.160 --> 1:27:46.599
<v Speaker 1>and might I think that that type of action you're

1:27:46.960 --> 1:27:51.639
<v Speaker 1>interested in taking should severely inform the type of personal

1:27:51.640 --> 1:27:57.559
<v Speaker 1>security precautions that you're taking. Um. I think that's that's

1:27:57.560 --> 1:28:02.519
<v Speaker 1>been a recurring theme as the movement builds. There are

1:28:02.520 --> 1:28:06.360
<v Speaker 1>folks that come in to not having heard the term

1:28:06.400 --> 1:28:09.160
<v Speaker 1>security culture up set or whatever you want to call it,

1:28:09.920 --> 1:28:12.519
<v Speaker 1>and so that can be really jarring for folks that

1:28:12.560 --> 1:28:16.120
<v Speaker 1>are just first trying to get involved, but people pick

1:28:16.160 --> 1:28:19.519
<v Speaker 1>it up surprisingly quick once you have built as a

1:28:19.600 --> 1:28:25.160
<v Speaker 1>community like norms and customs around is this a phone's on,

1:28:25.200 --> 1:28:28.879
<v Speaker 1>our phones off meeting. Are we talking about this on signal?

1:28:29.600 --> 1:28:32.120
<v Speaker 1>Is the call for this action going out on social media?

1:28:32.200 --> 1:28:35.360
<v Speaker 1>Are we just sharing this amongst friends where that hadn't

1:28:35.720 --> 1:28:38.439
<v Speaker 1>really been a thing and where frankly, a lot of

1:28:38.520 --> 1:28:42.720
<v Speaker 1>people face significant repression here in Atlanta during the uprisings

1:28:43.120 --> 1:28:47.280
<v Speaker 1>because of security culture decisions that were made. I think

1:28:47.280 --> 1:28:53.040
<v Speaker 1>that a security culture is being built here that where

1:28:53.080 --> 1:28:57.439
<v Speaker 1>it didn't really exist before, or at least wasn't widespread before,

1:28:58.040 --> 1:29:03.120
<v Speaker 1>is going to survive long past this movement. I think

1:29:04.160 --> 1:29:07.640
<v Speaker 1>like one of the biggest aspects of these things is

1:29:07.760 --> 1:29:12.400
<v Speaker 1>like the social aspects of it, and like like the

1:29:12.479 --> 1:29:17.759
<v Speaker 1>generalizing of the norm of if someone answers you vaguely

1:29:18.760 --> 1:29:23.160
<v Speaker 1>and seems uninterested in to meet, in continuing the conversation,

1:29:24.160 --> 1:29:27.719
<v Speaker 1>just understanding that they have your best interests in heart

1:29:27.800 --> 1:29:32.559
<v Speaker 1>when they don't want you to know, and like, quite frankly,

1:29:32.600 --> 1:29:36.760
<v Speaker 1>you just can't accidentally share information you don't have. And

1:29:36.840 --> 1:29:41.760
<v Speaker 1>so like, you know, when we sit here in these

1:29:41.760 --> 1:29:45.800
<v Speaker 1>woods and people say, you know, like you say, like,

1:29:46.240 --> 1:29:49.719
<v Speaker 1>so you know you're where have you been? Blah blah blah,

1:29:49.720 --> 1:29:52.320
<v Speaker 1>and I'm just like, oh, you know, hey, our places

1:29:52.439 --> 1:29:55.880
<v Speaker 1>or something like that, I just don't ask questions, and

1:29:55.920 --> 1:29:59.240
<v Speaker 1>I understand that I don't just not only do I

1:29:59.320 --> 1:30:01.840
<v Speaker 1>not need to, but I probably don't want to know.

1:30:02.640 --> 1:30:06.040
<v Speaker 1>And like, you know, when it comes to like more

1:30:06.080 --> 1:30:12.800
<v Speaker 1>like material technical things, those are important, but like the

1:30:13.000 --> 1:30:18.799
<v Speaker 1>social aspects of security culture are so so much more

1:30:18.840 --> 1:30:25.960
<v Speaker 1>important than the technical aspects. It's like I don't know

1:30:26.200 --> 1:30:30.200
<v Speaker 1>as everybody talks about security culture as like take your

1:30:30.200 --> 1:30:35.240
<v Speaker 1>phone out of the room, but like you know, if

1:30:35.240 --> 1:30:37.719
<v Speaker 1>you take the phone out of the room and talk

1:30:37.760 --> 1:30:42.200
<v Speaker 1>about doing crazy ship with complete strangers, you don't you

1:30:42.280 --> 1:30:45.120
<v Speaker 1>know and have a reason to trust them, And like

1:30:46.600 --> 1:30:50.240
<v Speaker 1>coming here to Atlanta, like if you want to do

1:30:50.400 --> 1:30:56.640
<v Speaker 1>crazy ship, don't you know if you want to do

1:30:56.840 --> 1:31:00.280
<v Speaker 1>if you're coming to Atlanta, let me reef is that

1:31:00.720 --> 1:31:02.519
<v Speaker 1>you're If you're coming to Atlanta and you want to

1:31:02.520 --> 1:31:06.880
<v Speaker 1>do crazy ship, like you to think about like how

1:31:06.960 --> 1:31:10.639
<v Speaker 1>to do that in a safe way or as safely

1:31:10.680 --> 1:31:16.160
<v Speaker 1>as possible. You know, don't don't come to us and

1:31:16.240 --> 1:31:21.080
<v Speaker 1>be like, hey, I haven't met you before, but like

1:31:21.439 --> 1:31:23.720
<v Speaker 1>do you want to go do some federal felonies? Because no,

1:31:24.840 --> 1:31:26.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't and I don't want to know that you're

1:31:26.840 --> 1:31:33.160
<v Speaker 1>doing that either like we have do you want to

1:31:33.200 --> 1:31:37.120
<v Speaker 1>do crazy ship? That's cool, just like I don't want

1:31:37.120 --> 1:31:40.000
<v Speaker 1>to know you did it. And like if you're like

1:31:40.160 --> 1:31:45.040
<v Speaker 1>coming here with the intention of creating, like with the

1:31:45.040 --> 1:31:49.559
<v Speaker 1>intention of like doing ship because it's like cool and fun.

1:31:49.680 --> 1:31:53.360
<v Speaker 1>If you're coming here with the intention of, like I

1:31:53.479 --> 1:31:56.880
<v Speaker 1>want to gain social capital because I did crazy things,

1:31:56.920 --> 1:32:02.720
<v Speaker 1>like maybe you rethink that like if you if you

1:32:03.800 --> 1:32:10.320
<v Speaker 1>want and find your closest friends, plan a road trip,

1:32:10.360 --> 1:32:15.080
<v Speaker 1>and don't help anyone. In a recent interview, Atlanta Police

1:32:15.120 --> 1:32:19.200
<v Speaker 1>Foundation President and CEO Dave Wilkinson estimates that defend the

1:32:19.240 --> 1:32:23.080
<v Speaker 1>forest quote unquote group members have done hundreds of thousands

1:32:23.120 --> 1:32:26.720
<v Speaker 1>of dollars of damage to utility equipment and has brought

1:32:26.760 --> 1:32:28.880
<v Speaker 1>up plans to add defense around the entirety of the

1:32:28.920 --> 1:32:32.960
<v Speaker 1>site as construction begins, saying, and anyone on the site

1:32:32.960 --> 1:32:35.639
<v Speaker 1>will be arrested and as we move forward, the enforcement

1:32:35.640 --> 1:32:39.840
<v Speaker 1>will become stricter and stricter unquote. Also stated in an

1:32:39.840 --> 1:32:43.439
<v Speaker 1>interview is that quote. The Police Foundation also hopes to

1:32:43.560 --> 1:32:47.840
<v Speaker 1>build separate museums on site dedicated to police officers and

1:32:47.880 --> 1:32:53.200
<v Speaker 1>the labor prison that was once located there. So that's

1:32:53.200 --> 1:32:57.120
<v Speaker 1>that's what the kids call maskoff moment of building a

1:32:57.240 --> 1:33:02.640
<v Speaker 1>dedicated museum two cops and labor prison a k A.

1:33:02.680 --> 1:33:07.040
<v Speaker 1>Slave labor prison. Anyway, the first phase of the project

1:33:07.640 --> 1:33:11.240
<v Speaker 1>had the initial ninety million price take attached, with taxpayers

1:33:11.280 --> 1:33:13.760
<v Speaker 1>being forced to pay thirty million dollars of that, and

1:33:13.800 --> 1:33:16.400
<v Speaker 1>it's still unclear what the final cost of the facility

1:33:16.479 --> 1:33:19.400
<v Speaker 1>is slated to be, or what the estimated operating costs are,

1:33:19.840 --> 1:33:23.200
<v Speaker 1>or really how many phases of construction they really plan

1:33:23.280 --> 1:33:26.439
<v Speaker 1>on doing. The past few weeks, the site of Cops

1:33:26.479 --> 1:33:30.320
<v Speaker 1>in the Woods has become a more and more common occurrence,

1:33:31.080 --> 1:33:35.800
<v Speaker 1>whether to do scouting or just apparently detonating explosives for

1:33:35.880 --> 1:33:38.840
<v Speaker 1>funzies at their current makeshift shooting range, like they did

1:33:38.840 --> 1:33:41.840
<v Speaker 1>a few days ago. One morning when I was there,

1:33:41.880 --> 1:33:44.960
<v Speaker 1>I woke up to people yelling Cops in the Woods, which,

1:33:45.000 --> 1:33:47.920
<v Speaker 1>by the way, is a very effective substitute for caffeine

1:33:48.200 --> 1:33:51.080
<v Speaker 1>in terms of making you very awake and alert quite

1:33:51.080 --> 1:33:53.840
<v Speaker 1>early in the morning. Um. And then while running through

1:33:53.840 --> 1:33:56.839
<v Speaker 1>the forest, I saw a beautiful deer and a hopping rabbit.

1:33:56.960 --> 1:34:03.160
<v Speaker 1>So nice clash of of feelings and sensations there. In

1:34:03.240 --> 1:34:07.479
<v Speaker 1>terms of closing sentiments based on conversations and observations I

1:34:07.520 --> 1:34:10.320
<v Speaker 1>had from my brief time in the woods. It's this

1:34:11.240 --> 1:34:14.839
<v Speaker 1>play to your strengths, don't play by the enemy's rules,

1:34:15.520 --> 1:34:19.680
<v Speaker 1>utilize the intersection of urban city based tactics and resources

1:34:19.880 --> 1:34:24.839
<v Speaker 1>while taking inspiration from classic forest based eco defense. Attacking

1:34:24.880 --> 1:34:26.800
<v Speaker 1>from the cover of the woods and ensuring that the

1:34:26.920 --> 1:34:30.639
<v Speaker 1>terrain is as unwelcoming as possible to vehicular machinery can

1:34:30.680 --> 1:34:34.719
<v Speaker 1>help by time for rapid response popular mobilization from people

1:34:34.760 --> 1:34:40.800
<v Speaker 1>living in the city. If and when that time comes,

1:34:41.600 --> 1:34:44.000
<v Speaker 1>I'll be careful coming down a key road. They throwing

1:34:44.080 --> 1:34:47.080
<v Speaker 1>bottles at the police, and the bottles a smoke ball,

1:34:47.680 --> 1:34:51.280
<v Speaker 1>so be careful. They in the woods um throwing at

1:34:51.280 --> 1:34:57.559
<v Speaker 1>the police cars and stuff like. Appreciate it. Yeah, And

1:34:57.560 --> 1:35:01.639
<v Speaker 1>despite the defensive nature of the ending the forest, there

1:35:01.760 --> 1:35:04.280
<v Speaker 1>still is a large amount of making sure that as

1:35:04.320 --> 1:35:07.400
<v Speaker 1>often as possible you can do the prep work to

1:35:07.439 --> 1:35:10.880
<v Speaker 1>set the terms of engagement so that they're fighting on

1:35:11.040 --> 1:35:14.920
<v Speaker 1>your terms. You're not always complying to theirs, which is

1:35:15.120 --> 1:35:18.080
<v Speaker 1>can be useful for defensive stuff. Obviously, the whole aspect

1:35:18.600 --> 1:35:22.639
<v Speaker 1>of defending a forest like this that you I think

1:35:25.000 --> 1:35:28.559
<v Speaker 1>the defenders can have this almost like spectral quality of

1:35:28.640 --> 1:35:34.559
<v Speaker 1>like cops don't know where people are, what they've built,

1:35:34.680 --> 1:35:37.599
<v Speaker 1>what's in the forest, what's in the woods, and that's

1:35:37.640 --> 1:35:41.000
<v Speaker 1>like spooky, like you like you don't know who's who's

1:35:41.080 --> 1:35:43.559
<v Speaker 1>up in a treehouse, you don't know who's behind what tree,

1:35:43.840 --> 1:35:46.240
<v Speaker 1>you don't know what things are in the woods, and

1:35:46.320 --> 1:35:49.320
<v Speaker 1>that spectral quality of the forest offense is a really

1:35:49.720 --> 1:35:53.280
<v Speaker 1>interesting aspect of it that you don't see. And you

1:35:53.280 --> 1:35:55.160
<v Speaker 1>don't see that. And then like pipeline protests as much,

1:35:55.200 --> 1:35:57.080
<v Speaker 1>you don't really see that for like protests in a city,

1:35:57.479 --> 1:35:59.200
<v Speaker 1>um because the city very much as like a more

1:35:59.240 --> 1:36:01.760
<v Speaker 1>of like a cop story. Um So I really do

1:36:01.920 --> 1:36:04.960
<v Speaker 1>like that aspect of like cops are kind of scared

1:36:05.000 --> 1:36:10.240
<v Speaker 1>to go in the woods because they're spooky. They have

1:36:10.400 --> 1:36:15.120
<v Speaker 1>openly testified, like in court testimony that said that when

1:36:15.120 --> 1:36:19.040
<v Speaker 1>this forest defender was arrested, the police officer that gave

1:36:19.160 --> 1:36:25.479
<v Speaker 1>his statement to the judge was shaking, physically shaking because

1:36:25.479 --> 1:36:27.640
<v Speaker 1>he was so afraid from being yelled at, Like that

1:36:27.720 --> 1:36:29.640
<v Speaker 1>was all that had happened, is a bunch of protesters

1:36:29.680 --> 1:36:32.240
<v Speaker 1>were yelling at them and he was shaking. The police

1:36:32.240 --> 1:36:35.559
<v Speaker 1>are really dependent on their infrastructure. They are dependent on

1:36:35.680 --> 1:36:37.880
<v Speaker 1>all of that kid that they carry around. They are

1:36:37.920 --> 1:36:40.720
<v Speaker 1>not mobile. They are meant to be attached to that

1:36:40.840 --> 1:36:44.360
<v Speaker 1>squad car, and every further step they take away from that,

1:36:45.000 --> 1:36:48.240
<v Speaker 1>they are more and more uncomfortable. And when they look

1:36:48.280 --> 1:36:49.840
<v Speaker 1>around they realized they were in the middle of the

1:36:49.880 --> 1:36:54.360
<v Speaker 1>fucking woods. That's terrifying for them and that needs to

1:36:54.400 --> 1:36:58.080
<v Speaker 1>be like taking advantage of. And it is. What's that like?

1:36:58.280 --> 1:37:01.840
<v Speaker 1>They their drones in their these helicopters have problem even

1:37:01.880 --> 1:37:05.559
<v Speaker 1>with their thermal tracking of seeing through the canopy. What's

1:37:05.600 --> 1:37:08.519
<v Speaker 1>that like? And I want to say, like, it was

1:37:08.560 --> 1:37:11.120
<v Speaker 1>really funny to me that in that like it was

1:37:11.160 --> 1:37:14.519
<v Speaker 1>said that the purposes were screaming, we know where you live,

1:37:14.800 --> 1:37:18.840
<v Speaker 1>we know where you live. We're coming, We're coming, which

1:37:18.880 --> 1:37:21.360
<v Speaker 1>is the whole, the whole ghost thing, um, because I mean,

1:37:21.680 --> 1:37:23.639
<v Speaker 1>I mean in terms of in terms of thermal stuff.

1:37:23.680 --> 1:37:25.840
<v Speaker 1>I brought a thermal camera of mine here and the

1:37:25.840 --> 1:37:28.040
<v Speaker 1>woods are very hard to see through. With my thermal camera.

1:37:28.040 --> 1:37:30.000
<v Speaker 1>I cannot see more than twenty ft away. I've I've

1:37:30.000 --> 1:37:33.160
<v Speaker 1>tested it on people. It's that's the super interesting aspect.

1:37:33.600 --> 1:37:36.519
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, like it's the whole like Fern Gully, Princes,

1:37:36.600 --> 1:37:40.040
<v Speaker 1>Princess mononoke thing of like when people come out of

1:37:40.080 --> 1:37:44.160
<v Speaker 1>the woods wearing ski basks, like that's freaking Like it's

1:37:44.200 --> 1:37:46.840
<v Speaker 1>like we are you, Like you can be the thing

1:37:46.960 --> 1:37:49.040
<v Speaker 1>that goes boo in the night like that, Actually that

1:37:49.200 --> 1:37:52.280
<v Speaker 1>is you, um, and that's something that should be taken

1:37:52.320 --> 1:37:55.719
<v Speaker 1>advantage of when there's people invading the forest and trying

1:37:55.760 --> 1:37:59.040
<v Speaker 1>to destroy it. I think this is a really important

1:37:59.240 --> 1:38:02.120
<v Speaker 1>to touch on. Is that for a lot of us,

1:38:02.439 --> 1:38:07.640
<v Speaker 1>even though like may us have been like socialized to

1:38:07.680 --> 1:38:09.960
<v Speaker 1>think of the dark and the night and the woods

1:38:10.120 --> 1:38:14.800
<v Speaker 1>as this scary thing, this is where I feel the

1:38:14.880 --> 1:38:19.840
<v Speaker 1>most safe. This is if you give me a bunch

1:38:19.880 --> 1:38:22.439
<v Speaker 1>of camel and like send me off into the woods,

1:38:24.000 --> 1:38:27.639
<v Speaker 1>there's nowhere I'm going to feel more safe and more

1:38:27.720 --> 1:38:32.840
<v Speaker 1>capable both of safety and attack. When I'm out here,

1:38:33.640 --> 1:38:36.240
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I can do anything. You give me

1:38:36.880 --> 1:38:41.799
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of woods, a bunch of hills, Like, there's

1:38:41.920 --> 1:38:45.479
<v Speaker 1>so much we can do because we're not in this

1:38:45.520 --> 1:38:51.519
<v Speaker 1>position of you know, entering hostile territory to you know,

1:38:52.320 --> 1:38:57.000
<v Speaker 1>do things. This is territory that we control, and this

1:38:57.200 --> 1:39:00.320
<v Speaker 1>is territory that we are using to fight that and

1:39:00.400 --> 1:39:04.519
<v Speaker 1>we're weaponizing not just you know the cops fear, but

1:39:04.560 --> 1:39:10.080
<v Speaker 1>we're recognizing the terrain itself. We're weaponizing the trees, were

1:39:10.120 --> 1:39:14.520
<v Speaker 1>recognizing the hills, were recognizing the ruins, and we're recognizing

1:39:14.640 --> 1:39:22.120
<v Speaker 1>everything here as like literally a thing to use to

1:39:22.320 --> 1:39:26.240
<v Speaker 1>attack the state. If you give me a ridgeline, I

1:39:26.280 --> 1:39:29.720
<v Speaker 1>can hide from the cops better than any fucking you know,

1:39:30.200 --> 1:39:33.640
<v Speaker 1>high tech thermal scattering delly suit is ever gonna give me.

1:39:33.840 --> 1:39:37.240
<v Speaker 1>You know, out here, you don't need a bunch of

1:39:37.280 --> 1:39:41.200
<v Speaker 1>fancy ship to like engage in conflict with the state.

1:39:41.320 --> 1:39:46.519
<v Speaker 1>You don't need thermal cameras and all that. You can

1:39:46.560 --> 1:39:50.080
<v Speaker 1>walk into a military surplus store and buy, you know,

1:39:51.160 --> 1:39:54.040
<v Speaker 1>for fifty bucks. You can buy everything you need to

1:39:54.280 --> 1:39:58.800
<v Speaker 1>like do just about whatever you want out here. And

1:39:58.920 --> 1:40:04.320
<v Speaker 1>that's like, that's like a really important and beautiful thing.

1:40:04.439 --> 1:40:09.080
<v Speaker 1>Is It's not it's not hard to do what we're doing.

1:40:10.200 --> 1:40:12.479
<v Speaker 1>You just have to break down the mental barriers and

1:40:12.560 --> 1:40:17.840
<v Speaker 1>do it. Um. Yeah, we we do our best to

1:40:17.880 --> 1:40:21.720
<v Speaker 1>protect the trees, and the trees protected us too. It's

1:40:22.960 --> 1:40:26.200
<v Speaker 1>it's cool living here, and it's like obviously something ever

1:40:26.320 --> 1:40:29.000
<v Speaker 1>on most people probably like think about is yet how

1:40:29.040 --> 1:40:32.519
<v Speaker 1>important wild spaces are. But it's cool to really fucking

1:40:32.520 --> 1:40:35.639
<v Speaker 1>feel it. And it's like like, yeah, this this place

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<v Speaker 1>is super important because of how it interacts with the

1:40:38.240 --> 1:40:40.680
<v Speaker 1>ecosystem and how it filters the water and that it's

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<v Speaker 1>a safe haven for a lot of really beautiful animals

1:40:43.160 --> 1:40:46.280
<v Speaker 1>and plants. But also this place is important because wild

1:40:46.280 --> 1:40:49.720
<v Speaker 1>spaces are sucking uncontrollable and I want to live in

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<v Speaker 1>an uncontrollable way and like you need those things, and um,

1:40:54.800 --> 1:40:59.080
<v Speaker 1>it is it's really cool, like this is a wild space.

1:40:59.160 --> 1:41:03.080
<v Speaker 1>It's also for in a city, which is cool. It's

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<v Speaker 1>fucking weird, Like there's there's city people who come here

1:41:07.280 --> 1:41:11.280
<v Speaker 1>who are fucking weird and do weird ship and it's sick. Um,

1:41:11.320 --> 1:41:15.439
<v Speaker 1>and like it is an uncontrolled space and like sometimes

1:41:15.520 --> 1:41:18.479
<v Speaker 1>that means that there's like fucking ship chemicals that are

1:41:18.520 --> 1:41:22.240
<v Speaker 1>like fucking plants up. But also sometimes that means there's

1:41:22.280 --> 1:41:25.680
<v Speaker 1>people who like are doing things that are free and

1:41:25.720 --> 1:41:29.600
<v Speaker 1>doing things they couldn't do in the city. And um,

1:41:29.640 --> 1:41:31.920
<v Speaker 1>and it doesn't matter if I like it or not.

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<v Speaker 1>It makes me, Yeah, it makes me happy. They just

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<v Speaker 1>know that those people can act on their desires. Um.

1:41:38.320 --> 1:41:40.960
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, it's not always fucking convenient or good. And

1:41:41.040 --> 1:41:44.120
<v Speaker 1>sometimes I intend to antagonistic relationships or that because it

1:41:44.120 --> 1:41:47.360
<v Speaker 1>conflicts with my desire. But there's no mediation and there's

1:41:47.520 --> 1:41:51.800
<v Speaker 1>there's there's no one getting in between. And yeah, it's

1:41:51.800 --> 1:41:56.360
<v Speaker 1>just it's really important. And I think like the the

1:41:56.479 --> 1:41:59.519
<v Speaker 1>slogan that people say of not what is there, not

1:41:59.600 --> 1:42:02.040
<v Speaker 1>one tree, not one blade of grass, like is like

1:42:02.080 --> 1:42:05.960
<v Speaker 1>an inspirational thing, but it's also like a strategy, Like

1:42:06.000 --> 1:42:10.679
<v Speaker 1>it's like a tactical assertion that is important for us. Like, yeah,

1:42:10.720 --> 1:42:15.400
<v Speaker 1>if like this forest and these wild spaces are essential,

1:42:15.520 --> 1:42:18.800
<v Speaker 1>not just for us to physically stop the police, but

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<v Speaker 1>like essential to be an anarchist. Like if there are

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<v Speaker 1>not wild spaces, spaces that they can't put security cameras

1:42:27.120 --> 1:42:31.439
<v Speaker 1>up here because they there's no electricity and the trees

1:42:31.439 --> 1:42:34.840
<v Speaker 1>are two dens for solar panels and they get smashed anyway,

1:42:35.600 --> 1:42:38.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, like it's important to have those things. If

1:42:38.400 --> 1:42:41.559
<v Speaker 1>there's not places like that, there's not places where you

1:42:41.560 --> 1:42:45.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, like and and so that for itself is cool.

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<v Speaker 1>And the other thing is just living here with the

1:42:47.320 --> 1:42:52.080
<v Speaker 1>fucking animals, Like, um, it's cool. The deer. If you

1:42:52.080 --> 1:42:54.160
<v Speaker 1>want to find a get a hiding spot in the forest,

1:42:54.439 --> 1:42:57.000
<v Speaker 1>pay attention to where the fucking deer sleep. They sleep

1:42:57.040 --> 1:42:59.479
<v Speaker 1>in different places most nice. You won't suck them up

1:42:59.520 --> 1:43:01.439
<v Speaker 1>as long as don't get the exact same one day're

1:43:01.479 --> 1:43:04.120
<v Speaker 1>sleeping and they're really freaking hard to find. Something with

1:43:04.160 --> 1:43:07.360
<v Speaker 1>the coylds, like sathing with the snakes, and like it's

1:43:07.400 --> 1:43:09.960
<v Speaker 1>just very cool to get to observe and live with

1:43:10.000 --> 1:43:14.920
<v Speaker 1>all these animals. And um, you know there's an owl

1:43:16.520 --> 1:43:20.280
<v Speaker 1>such screaming five o'clock every day. It's like a nice

1:43:20.320 --> 1:43:23.120
<v Speaker 1>little marker. And that's for me. That's better than you know,

1:43:23.200 --> 1:43:26.400
<v Speaker 1>looking at my watch. It's pretty cool. This leads us

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<v Speaker 1>up to our present day and the upcoming week of

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<v Speaker 1>Action in Atlanta, Georgia, happening from Sunday May eight to

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday May If you are anywhere near the Atlanta area,

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<v Speaker 1>you have no reason to not check it out. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a week's worth of events spanning from early in the

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<v Speaker 1>morning till late into the evening every day for seven days.

1:43:46.800 --> 1:43:49.559
<v Speaker 1>You can find the calendar of events on defend the

1:43:49.560 --> 1:43:53.040
<v Speaker 1>Atlanta Forest dot com. And if you are not near Atlanta,

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<v Speaker 1>I would still recommend you make your way there post

1:43:55.560 --> 1:43:58.880
<v Speaker 1>taste if you are able to. Whether that's during the

1:43:58.960 --> 1:44:02.240
<v Speaker 1>Week of Action or later on down the line. More

1:44:02.240 --> 1:44:05.400
<v Speaker 1>boots on the ground is almost always a plus. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>the more info on the upcoming Week of Action from

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<v Speaker 1>May eight through May fifteen. So generally in the past,

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<v Speaker 1>the past few week of actions have been like really

1:44:13.880 --> 1:44:17.800
<v Speaker 1>above ground, really like giving people comfortable forest, getting people

1:44:17.840 --> 1:44:22.280
<v Speaker 1>into a forest, like the immunity events are like UM

1:44:22.360 --> 1:44:27.840
<v Speaker 1>and just like public gatherings, inform nights, skill shares, other

1:44:28.200 --> 1:44:31.320
<v Speaker 1>stuff like that. And I believe that this one, like well,

1:44:31.479 --> 1:44:33.240
<v Speaker 1>like we had a lot of those events. But I

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<v Speaker 1>also believe that like due to the nature of what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on UM, that it's much more urgent than people,

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<v Speaker 1>uh come and creator bring their own ideas being known

1:44:44.680 --> 1:44:48.599
<v Speaker 1>in science, their own desires, and yeah, we get action.

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<v Speaker 1>It's odd, it's gonna be d it's gonna be crazy,

1:44:52.320 --> 1:44:54.160
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be add the things. I think there's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be a family family were lack hug and trees kind

1:44:57.280 --> 1:44:58.880
<v Speaker 1>of ship, and I'm excited for that. And I think

1:44:58.920 --> 1:45:01.160
<v Speaker 1>there's gonna be something like the funk is going on

1:45:02.200 --> 1:45:04.680
<v Speaker 1>in the woods kind of shore is a bunch of

1:45:04.680 --> 1:45:07.160
<v Speaker 1>cops kind of ship. Obviously, we don't know what's really

1:45:07.160 --> 1:45:10.200
<v Speaker 1>going to happen. But anyone that has been reading stuff

1:45:10.320 --> 1:45:11.720
<v Speaker 1>like oh man, I want to go throw down with

1:45:11.760 --> 1:45:14.240
<v Speaker 1>the crazies, you should come and do that. And we

1:45:14.320 --> 1:45:18.280
<v Speaker 1>have some stuff to share and hopefully there'll be so

1:45:18.320 --> 1:45:19.960
<v Speaker 1>many people here that don't know how to deal with it.

1:45:20.000 --> 1:45:23.559
<v Speaker 1>The problem going here is the Atlanta Police Force. Um,

1:45:24.000 --> 1:45:26.040
<v Speaker 1>they there is a lot of them, but honestly they're

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<v Speaker 1>also they're stressed out and they are run um what's

1:45:30.439 --> 1:45:35.559
<v Speaker 1>it can run dry? Respect then they really they don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how to deal with all this wood ship from

1:45:37.840 --> 1:45:40.200
<v Speaker 1>ship that we've heard them talking about. They don't know

1:45:40.200 --> 1:45:43.080
<v Speaker 1>what to do. They're not totally prepared. I think it's

1:45:43.120 --> 1:45:45.680
<v Speaker 1>gonna be a really fun and crazy ship show and

1:45:45.800 --> 1:45:48.240
<v Speaker 1>we want you all the Condor Chip show in a

1:45:48.280 --> 1:45:50.400
<v Speaker 1>good way. And now they're like, oh, you shouldn't use

1:45:50.400 --> 1:45:52.960
<v Speaker 1>those words, but in reality, nobody actually knows what's going

1:45:53.000 --> 1:45:55.920
<v Speaker 1>to happen. We know what we're gonna do. We have

1:45:56.080 --> 1:45:58.720
<v Speaker 1>plans that people can plug into, some stuff you can

1:45:58.720 --> 1:46:01.080
<v Speaker 1>bring your kids to, and some stuf of you should

1:46:01.080 --> 1:46:03.120
<v Speaker 1>not bring kids to, and there will be more. To

1:46:03.200 --> 1:46:04.760
<v Speaker 1>be honest with, you really got to just be there

1:46:04.760 --> 1:46:06.720
<v Speaker 1>in person, because there's something you can't put everything on

1:46:06.720 --> 1:46:10.200
<v Speaker 1>Instagram and doing our best to communicate to folks what's

1:46:10.200 --> 1:46:13.200
<v Speaker 1>going on down here, but there's just some things you

1:46:13.360 --> 1:46:19.759
<v Speaker 1>gotta come two. Whatever the Week of Action, it's always

1:46:19.760 --> 1:46:21.439
<v Speaker 1>a week of action, but this is like we're helping

1:46:21.479 --> 1:46:24.360
<v Speaker 1>people get really turned up for this week of action

1:46:24.400 --> 1:46:27.479
<v Speaker 1>and maybe we all just become a roving nomadic war

1:46:27.560 --> 1:46:30.840
<v Speaker 1>machine together. That would be the dream. So you have

1:46:30.920 --> 1:46:34.680
<v Speaker 1>a thing in your hometown, is going on in your territory,

1:46:34.880 --> 1:46:38.000
<v Speaker 1>and we nomadic war machine over to your spot and

1:46:38.120 --> 1:46:42.680
<v Speaker 1>we just keep doing that. A few resources that some

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<v Speaker 1>of the force defenders wanted people to know about is first, obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>Defend the Atlanta Forest dot com, which has the Week

1:46:49.880 --> 1:46:53.240
<v Speaker 1>of Action calendar. To keep up on news regarding the movement.

1:46:53.280 --> 1:46:56.479
<v Speaker 1>You can follow them on Twitter and Instagram at Defend

1:46:56.520 --> 1:47:00.639
<v Speaker 1>the Atlanta Forest or Defend a t L Forest. There

1:47:00.720 --> 1:47:04.880
<v Speaker 1>is the Forest Justice Defense Fund at Open Collective dot

1:47:04.920 --> 1:47:11.200
<v Speaker 1>com slash Forest Hyphen Justice Hyphened Defense hyphen Fund, where

1:47:11.320 --> 1:47:14.320
<v Speaker 1>people can donate to support the work of the Broad

1:47:14.360 --> 1:47:18.040
<v Speaker 1>Coalition dedicated to saving the forest. There's of course stop

1:47:18.120 --> 1:47:21.640
<v Speaker 1>Reeves Young dot com, which has information on subcontractors and

1:47:21.720 --> 1:47:25.600
<v Speaker 1>third party service providers relating to the cops city construction.

1:47:26.439 --> 1:47:30.360
<v Speaker 1>Very useful even just for simple calling campaigns. The website

1:47:30.520 --> 1:47:34.280
<v Speaker 1>scenes dot no blogs dot org hosts other news relating

1:47:34.280 --> 1:47:37.799
<v Speaker 1>to the movement, anonymous community, case and stuff like maps

1:47:37.800 --> 1:47:42.640
<v Speaker 1>of the area and random other useful information resources for

1:47:42.760 --> 1:47:46.479
<v Speaker 1>info and guides relating to direct action. There's a website

1:47:46.520 --> 1:47:50.040
<v Speaker 1>titled Warrior Up dot no blogs dot org and people

1:47:50.080 --> 1:47:51.960
<v Speaker 1>can go there or to a warrior up dot no

1:47:52.040 --> 1:47:58.120
<v Speaker 1>blogs dot org slash guides for various interesting information. I'll say, um,

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<v Speaker 1>and that last one is really best viewed on tour

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<v Speaker 1>with via the tour browser just as a heads up.

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<v Speaker 1>Also probably with like a VPN. And I don't know anyway,

1:48:08.240 --> 1:48:11.439
<v Speaker 1>be careful with that last one. But all of these,

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<v Speaker 1>all of these sites will be linked in the show notes.

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<v Speaker 1>The future lies in your hands. You have more freedom

1:48:18.560 --> 1:48:22.120
<v Speaker 1>than you know if you can find the unconventional ways

1:48:22.200 --> 1:48:25.519
<v Speaker 1>of expressing it. See you on the other side. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'll end with a word from our forced defender friend.

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<v Speaker 1>There's yeah, hopefully we're gonna stop the police training facility.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we really are looking forward to people, hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>some people sticking around for the Week of Action because

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<v Speaker 1>we're hoping that it doesn't die down too much to

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<v Speaker 1>the point where smaller and to achieve them that was

1:48:54.760 --> 1:48:59.080
<v Speaker 1>here for a reko action gets attacked and stay away

1:49:00.080 --> 1:49:02.880
<v Speaker 1>exactly that if they can get happen here. I wasn't

1:49:02.880 --> 1:49:05.439
<v Speaker 1>thinking about that. This funny enough it its It could

1:49:05.439 --> 1:49:07.639
<v Speaker 1>happen where you live, and maybe we can just keep

1:49:08.479 --> 1:49:10.759
<v Speaker 1>the idea. As we share enough skills, we make ourselves.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely no one should be integral enough to the movement

1:49:13.200 --> 1:49:16.040
<v Speaker 1>that you can't go off or leave and it can't continue.

1:49:16.560 --> 1:49:21.160
<v Speaker 1>People should be reading manual, sharing skills, telling stories, having

1:49:21.200 --> 1:49:24.840
<v Speaker 1>at the moons. We're doing all this stuff to make

1:49:24.880 --> 1:49:28.240
<v Speaker 1>each other just a weird of the different things that

1:49:28.240 --> 1:49:30.639
<v Speaker 1>are possible for us to run because maybe we don't

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<v Speaker 1>have all the you know, the guns and the steel

1:49:34.720 --> 1:49:37.320
<v Speaker 1>and the gold. But if we have enough people like

1:49:37.400 --> 1:49:39.840
<v Speaker 1>being creative and doing some grilla ship, we can get

1:49:39.840 --> 1:49:42.880
<v Speaker 1>a lot done. And at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 1>if you can do you have to be careful about

1:49:45.720 --> 1:49:47.559
<v Speaker 1>how many hats to ring. If you don't know about

1:49:47.600 --> 1:49:49.639
<v Speaker 1>the r n c AD, that's a long time ago.

1:49:49.680 --> 1:49:51.479
<v Speaker 1>Now look that up. They were wearing. They are really

1:49:51.520 --> 1:49:54.200
<v Speaker 1>great community organizers, but they were wearing too many hats.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the first time that Patriot Act kind of

1:49:58.280 --> 1:50:01.000
<v Speaker 1>new laws after not eleven was you lie down people,

1:50:01.000 --> 1:50:03.880
<v Speaker 1>and a lot of it didn't stick. But if you

1:50:04.680 --> 1:50:07.799
<v Speaker 1>what we really need is more faceless saboteuries because honestly,

1:50:07.920 --> 1:50:11.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying that's what we need. We need people to

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<v Speaker 1>be there's just in reality, there's not enough people willing

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<v Speaker 1>to do nightwork. It looks like there's an uptick in

1:50:17.479 --> 1:50:22.320
<v Speaker 1>the behavior, which is great, but be safe, be smart,

1:50:23.439 --> 1:50:27.200
<v Speaker 1>act to interact with a little and that's that's what

1:50:27.280 --> 1:50:28.720
<v Speaker 1>we need more than any saying. There's a lot of

1:50:28.720 --> 1:50:32.599
<v Speaker 1>people that um are willing to do above ground stuff.

1:50:32.600 --> 1:50:35.400
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of people that want to be known,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's great, but we have enough for that. We

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