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Speaker 1: Welcome back to It could happen Here. I'm Garrison Davis

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Speaker 1: and this is part two of the two part mini

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Speaker 1: series on the Defend the Forest movement in Atlanta, Georgia.

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Speaker 1: Last month, I traveled to Atlanta to stay a week

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Speaker 1: in the woods and talk with some of the Forest Defenders.

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Speaker 1: In the previous episode, I covered the movement from its

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Speaker 1: inception to where the city council approved the Cops City

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Speaker 1: project near the end of last summer. I went over

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Speaker 1: a lot of historical background between the land itself and

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Speaker 1: the history there, the increasing gentrification of Atlanta, how the

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Speaker 1: movement pulled the veil off the secretive plans for Cops

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Speaker 1: City and pushed it into the public spotlight. We talked

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Speaker 1: about the early days of sabotage and the targeting of

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Speaker 1: individuals and positions of power. Basically, I did a lot

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Speaker 1: of a lot of talking, maybe maybe too much talking.

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Speaker 1: This episode will be more led by the discussions with

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Speaker 1: force defenders that I had during my week long excursion

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Speaker 1: to woods. We'll learn about how the movement evolved in

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Speaker 1: the wake of the city council vote up until the

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Speaker 1: current state of affairs. One thing that makes to defend

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Speaker 1: the Atlanta forest movement very different from previous eco defense

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Speaker 1: projects in recent memory is that it's right in the

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Speaker 1: middle of a sprawling metropolitan area. Right outside the forest

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Speaker 1: is an Amazon facility. Downtown Atlanta is just a ten

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Speaker 1: minute drive away. We'll be talking tactics a bit later

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Speaker 1: on in the episode, but just the simple nature of

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Speaker 1: doing a forest eco defense project while still inside the

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Speaker 1: city gives a lot of pretty interesting tactical opportunities. You

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Speaker 1: have to selectively use some of the older, more rule

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Speaker 1: eco defensive strategies while having the backing of a city

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Speaker 1: based mutual aid network. There's the option of rapid response

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Speaker 1: popular mobilization that city based protests can have but are

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Speaker 1: more challenging for EQO defense stuff that's like three hours

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Speaker 1: into the middle of nowhere. For the people camping in

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Speaker 1: the forest, they can easily get supplies or switch out

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Speaker 1: who's staying in the woods and who's living in the city.

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Speaker 1: The combination of forest and urban prompts and necessitates the

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Speaker 1: crucial experimentation and innovation that's been badly needed in eco

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Speaker 1: defense projects and protests for the past decade. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot of trams to go by here. It's definitally pretty morvy.

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Speaker 1: So it's definitely the most urban forest defense I've ever

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Speaker 1: been a party of. But it's really beautiful and unique

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Speaker 1: to see a lot of urban folks people live in

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Speaker 1: the city be able to be involved in like urban

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Speaker 1: tactics kind of mixing with you more traditional what a

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Speaker 1: how that means any more earth firsty forest tactics. It's

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Speaker 1: kind of like the rule book and a lot of

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Speaker 1: people say this, but like it's all repeated. The quote

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Speaker 1: unquote rule book for how to engage with the multiple

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Speaker 1: enemies in this area has been like chewed up, spit out, shadow,

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Speaker 1: and burnt over because it we're kind of doing something

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Speaker 1: that doesn't really happen a lot. Something similar I can

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Speaker 1: think of is the Sacred Oak Groove that was being

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Speaker 1: protected in Minneapolis in the nineties, and that was another

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Speaker 1: kind of anarchist and genous alliance the first presence. But

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Speaker 1: that's kind of one of the more urban in this

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Speaker 1: part of Turtle Island struggles I can think of this.

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Speaker 1: But I think another interesting part is like a lot

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Speaker 1: being like we should defend it because it's old growth. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is not an old growth. This is like a messy,

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Speaker 1: dirty um confusing. I've gotten lost so many times. It's yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's tires, there's barrels, or it was built on the

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Speaker 1: which is incredibly funked up and haunted. Right, Like in

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Speaker 1: terms of like haunting is like there's the specter of

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Speaker 1: what used to be there. Police are trying to build

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Speaker 1: It's like that's very much like they're just building over

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Speaker 1: the thing. Um. But it doesn't need to be old

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Speaker 1: growth to be worth defending. And that's an idea that

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Speaker 1: I think people need to understand more. Is like it

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Speaker 1: has value even if it's not like five hundred years old,

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Speaker 1: Like it has value despite not despite being one hundred

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Speaker 1: year old old forest, and it's because it is in

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Speaker 1: forest in a city, and that's something that's worth like emphasizing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I also think that's cool. And like people talk a

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Speaker 1: lot about like invasive plants and there's like I think

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Speaker 1: There are these trees that are like feral they used

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Speaker 1: but you know, the good news is they're awful, and

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Speaker 1: the bad news is they're awful. Like I know where

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Speaker 1: just it's cool to kind of interact with all these

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Speaker 1: and like, yeah, is a um, you know, I think

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Speaker 1: it's interesting. It's not yeah, like a traditional forest or

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Speaker 1: but for me, I connect to it, I think even

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Speaker 1: and like a month later that ship was overgrown you

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Speaker 1: couldn't see it again. And that was all quote unquote

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Speaker 1: invasive plants like whatever funk that means, which is often

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Speaker 1: that's the whole thing. They're often racialized plants. You know.

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Speaker 1: It's it's almost like a punk forest. It's like we're

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Speaker 1: surrounded by enemies and that is the problem is um

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Speaker 1: they see this as a cess pool. And something I

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Speaker 1: talked to a lot of liberals about, like when they're taught,

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Speaker 1: we're talking them about defend the forest, like, oh, is

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Speaker 1: it a pristine wilderness with large old growth trees, and like,

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Speaker 1: you know what, that would be cool. The problem is

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Speaker 1: this forest needs to be allowed to return to that

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Speaker 1: because there's been so much abuse and part of like

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Speaker 1: whether I don't know what it insta quote, but there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of little winds and a lot of winds.

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Speaker 1: There is some big they're legally supposed to leave all

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Speaker 1: the big trees by the creek from what historical um, president,

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Speaker 1: do we trust the cops to quote unquote be accountable

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Speaker 1: to anyone? I don't know where we're thinking that will happen.

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Speaker 1: I've had a lot of people be like, oh, some

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Speaker 1: of these tree houses are strategic in the spots they

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Speaker 1: can't get friends. I've looked at the map and it

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Speaker 1: looks like this whole motherfucking play is Society for clear Cutting.

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Speaker 1: Exactly one month after the city Council voted to approve

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Speaker 1: the land Ley's Ordinance for cops city that defend the

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Speaker 1: force slogan was put to the test. On October, contractors

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Speaker 1: a similar turn of events took place. A group of

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Speaker 1: small group of rapid response Force defenders who disrupted the

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Speaker 1: Simply the mere threat of an on site protest shut

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Speaker 1: machinery were blocked using available materials like piles of nearby tires,

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Speaker 1: select monitoring systems and police surveillance towers were toppled and dismantled.

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Speaker 1: A statement released online from anonymous force defenders read quote,

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Speaker 1: this war will be one, one battle at a time.

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Speaker 1: Pressure must continue in a variety of ways to halt

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Speaker 1: all construction. It became clear that for the next phase

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Speaker 1: of the struggle to defend the force, people would have

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Speaker 1: of at least three companies that have been contracted by

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Speaker 1: the Atlanta Police Foundation to do work on the old

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Speaker 1: prison farm land. Some of the surveying work appears to

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Speaker 1: be done by Long Engineering, and two companies, Reaves Young

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Speaker 1: Construction and Brass Fielding Gorri, were hired to do grounds

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Speaker 1: clearing and early construction. It is not yet clear who

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Speaker 1: will be contracted to clear the land in Entrenchment Creek Park,

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Speaker 1: where Black Hole Studios hopes to expand their sound stage.

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Speaker 1: Again quoting the Crime Think article, the City in the Forest,

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Speaker 1: reinventing resistance for an age of climate crisis and police militarization. Quote.

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Speaker 1: The information that is known to date was hard won

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Speaker 1: by diligent activists on the ground. Shortly after the city

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Speaker 1: council voted in September, surveyors and small work crews began

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Speaker 1: entering the site near two key roads. The trucks and

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Speaker 1: uniforms revealed the names of the contractors, which once again

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Speaker 1: gave opponents of the Cops City project a chance to

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Speaker 1: initiate a struggle on their own terms. Had the force

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Speaker 1: publicly announced much later. The ability to break news to

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Speaker 1: the public before the city government has been a consistent

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Speaker 1: advantage in trying to keep the momentum of the movement going.

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Speaker 1: Post the city council vote, a second Week of Action

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Speaker 1: was planned for November, albeit with some new twists. From

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Speaker 1: cultural events, info nites, bonfires, and meetings for this week

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Speaker 1: of action. Many of these events occurred in or near

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Speaker 1: a publicly advertised encampment on the Entrenchment Creek Park side

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Speaker 1: Atlanta Police Foundation. The group was able to walk right

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Speaker 1: into the offices, disrupting a board meeting involving company president

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Speaker 1: Dean Reeves and CEO Eric Young. Initially, the executives tried

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Speaker 1: There was a protest that like plus at the Reeves

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Speaker 1: Young office, went into the office and disrupted a board

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Speaker 1: from what I gather as a brawl. Yeah, I know.

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Speaker 1: There's reports of the the Reeves CEO guy like punching

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Speaker 1: punching protesters. There's a joke that a worker puts someone

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Speaker 1: in the guillotine, and I love the version of these

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Speaker 1: workers doing like wwfer Love, We'll love for more cop

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Speaker 1: style match. Disrupting the board of meeting was another successful

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Speaker 1: step in the goal of applying direct confrontational pressure to

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Speaker 1: the Atlanta Police foundations contracted construction service providers. Days later,

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Speaker 1: two more bulldozers were lit on fire read entertaining aounts

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Speaker 1: of ulic road and we got to construct vehicles fall

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Speaker 1: involved in the quat and simpedia my location as well.

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Speaker 1: There this equipment was located on the land swap parcel

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Speaker 1: by Black Hall Studios, the planned future location of quote

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Speaker 1: Michelle Obama Park unquote. These were the eleventh and twelve

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Speaker 1: pieces of heavy machinery to be sabotaged, and I think

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Speaker 1: now we're at like around twenty five, which is a

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Speaker 1: lot um. The anonymous communicate this time was short and

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Speaker 1: to the point, quote we burnt to bulldozers in the

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Speaker 1: South Atlanta forest. No cops city, no Hollywood dystopia, defend

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Speaker 1: the Atlanta Forest. On top of the more publicly advertised

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Speaker 1: to jail for this. But when when you like get

431
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 1: home and you're like, I have all this food now

432
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: that I didn't have to pay for it, you start

433
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: to realize maybe I don't need to work a job.

434
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't need to work nine to five or

435
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 1: you know, five to midnight every day to get a

436
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: job and pay for You realize, wait, maybe I can

437
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: just steal the food. Yeah. I've been wanting to talk

438
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: about that for a while. For I want to make

439
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: another Hyper Objects episode UM and talk about the anarchist

440
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,400
Speaker 1: properties of client bottles UM and I described this type

441
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: of freedom is like it's like how a client bottle

442
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 1: works or like a fourth dimensional object. It's like you

443
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: need in order for there's like this extra degree or

444
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: extra dimension of movement that we usually don't think it's possible,

445
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,959
Speaker 1: but it is actually there if you know how to

446
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 1: interact with it. UM And Yeah, it's like we're domesticated

447
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: in so many ways to view here's what's possible, here's

448
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: what's impossible. I have to exist within this framework UM

449
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,679
Speaker 1: and only doing these things which are seen as correct.

450
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: And there's actually more degrees of freedom than that. We

451
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: just don't often like acknowledge them. But you can totally

452
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: phase through things and you can totally find that extra

453
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 1: degree of freedom, and once you do, that's a super

454
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: interesting feeling. UM. As opposed to like waiting for gay

455
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: luxury space communism, you can instead do like fourth dimensional

456
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: like hyper anarchism, which gives you so much more freedom

457
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: right now instead of just waiting for the communism that

458
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: will never come and the relationship you build. The relationships

459
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 1: you build that are based on a trust that is,

460
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: I trust you to have my back, I trust you

461
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 1: to work with me and do this thing is so

462
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: much deeper than the trust of I guess I trust

463
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: my coworker, but like I really trust them not to

464
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: sttion my boss. Like the trust that comes from a

465
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: relationship where you're like, yeah, let's like we need food,

466
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 1: that's going to steal it together. That kind of trust

467
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 1: is not something that can be recuperated. And that kind

468
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 1: of like relationship where it's like our relationship is built

469
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: on the fundamental we will do it we have to

470
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: to survive. It creates an intimacy that you can't find

471
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 1: anywhere else, and a criminal INTERNNA say, you might say, um, yeah,

472
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: and that that was the point as somebody else think, yeah, yeah,

473
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: just to double down't know too, Like I think it's um,

474
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: it's cool too because uh, when you also come through

475
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:32,719
Speaker 1: a space like this, Like you can live like that

476
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 1: on your on your own or with your friends, but

477
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: then there's something wild when you come to this space. Um,

478
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, it's like when you

479
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: start attacking something that a lot of other people want

480
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: to see attacked, All of a sudden, all you have

481
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: to do is attack that thing and foods there, yeah,

482
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: and like you know like that and and like yeah,

483
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: I'm like you have all these resources and you can

484
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: focus on that and so like it's like yes, I'm

485
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: like it's like a joke to some degree, but like

486
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: if you want to be a lifestyle and because like

487
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: if you want to actually be an anarchist right now

488
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: and do anarchist ship, you can come to Atlanta and

489
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: do and like it's not easy. It's fucking scary, it's sketchy,

490
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: it's hard, there's freaky as bugs, but like, yeah, you

491
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: don't have to wait, and like, yeah, it I think

492
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: that that's something that like, for me, is really magic.

493
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: Is that like actually the more you attack and the

494
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: more you like position yourself to be antagonistic towards the world,

495
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: the more of it's like fourth dimensional like winn shoot,

496
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: don't you know, like which imediately understand like starts to

497
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: kind of like self actualize. And yeah, I think it's cool.

498
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: And like it freaks me out to think that there's

499
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: not people who are probably probably pretty cool like waiting

500
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: for some opportunity like waiting, just teachers waiting, and we

501
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: don't have that much time. Yeah, you can live anarchy now.

502
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: You don't need to wait for the collapse TM because

503
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: turns out that party it's already happening and that already happened.

504
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: We're just waiting in the liminal space until the climate

505
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: change catches up with the admissions are already there. We're

506
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: already living in it. We just don't realize it yet,

507
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: or some of us are in denial of it yet.

508
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: But the collapses like now, we it's already the thing.

509
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: We don't need to wait for the one big collapse,

510
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: because that's a myth. But you can live anarchy and

511
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: do stuff. You don't need to wait for the next

512
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: communist president who's going to run and fail. There's no

513
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: coming social there's no coming collapse. There's nothing to wait

514
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: for to keep on waiting madness aside. I think a

515
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: really interesting aspect of this movement about like we are

516
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: attacking a popular target, and how in attacking the popular

517
00:30:55,200 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: target we've built this thing is we are ye, We're

518
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: not just here and attacking this thing that doesn't exist

519
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: in isolation. We're here and we've built a movement and

520
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: we've built u We've through attack, we've built a built

521
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: this like popular idea that like actually, you know, like

522
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: if you want something to not be there, instead of

523
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: like talk to a politician, you can send it on

524
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: vote harder, vote harder, just just just just one more vote,

525
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: I swear I'm different. Sorry, Now I like to talk

526
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: more about tactics. Since the City Council about on the

527
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: ground tactics have gained a much more integral role and

528
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: grown past the basic sabotage and house visits, although both

529
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: of those still are crucial aspects in keeping the movement going.

530
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: Different ways of preventing physical construction, surveying of land and

531
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: destruction of the forest made up most of the on

532
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: the ground direct action efforts inside the forest. I think

533
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: a really interesting aspect of the way that the struggle

534
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: has happened here is that because it's so decentralized, there

535
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: are people and no one really knows who, there are

536
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: people who will just to show up and like, you know,

537
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: it's like there were people who are like getting the

538
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: crops called on them in the woods and ships, and

539
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: then like a bunch of anonymous people have showed up

540
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: and like toppled all the camera powers and people stopped

541
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: getting the crops called on them in the woods for

542
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: really a long time. And like that kind of decentralized thing,

543
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: especially where it's like, you know, regardless of even like

544
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: if the people in the Woods were like, you know,

545
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: like into doing ship. It's like, it's really useful when

546
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: people who have more skills and people have more knowledge

547
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: and more ability to do things and more ability to

548
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: take risks. It's really awesome when those kinds of people

549
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: can come and make things safe for a larger massive people.

550
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: And I feel like that is like a strategy and

551
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: like the interactionary space that can be truly like expanded

552
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: on where people who know their ship can make things

553
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: safe for large groups of people. To generalize revolt, yeah,

554
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: I regret like a lot of hard a struggle and

555
00:33:55,800 --> 00:34:00,080
Speaker 1: struggle has been framed from the very beginning as it

556
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,719
Speaker 1: like there was no call to action do x y Z.

557
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: There was a bunch of people pursuing their own individual

558
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: desires and what they saw as a forward facing like

559
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: a reprojection of their own ideas into the future and

560
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 1: made that happen. And it was underneath this framework where

561
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: there was no limit, there were no boundaries um, and

562
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: there was no idea of like us all having to

563
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: be on the same page about that. Yeah, you don't

564
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: need to like attend a march to be to do

565
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 1: effective things. In fact, it turns out doing things that

566
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: are not attending a march can often be way more

567
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: materially effective, and to double down on that, like, um,

568
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 1: so many times there's just like a script other people follow,

569
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: this is how we do it. And then there's there's

570
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 1: like this action that's applied to everything that people don't

571
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: like and holy ship, that's a crazy book. That was

572
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: a wild fire u um, things like that. But yeah,

573
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: but there's these like things that applied to everything, and

574
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: this struggle very much has no script, which is really exciting.

575
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: And but but what's even cooler about that is that

576
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: it's not it's awesome not reinventing the wheel. And so

577
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: there's people who are taking from you know, like kind

578
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: of like classic insurrectionary anarchists like approaches. There's people looking

579
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: at ego defense stuff from all over the world thinking

580
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: about um, there's people looking at some successful like non

581
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: violent direct action. There's people looking at alf struggles and

582
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: like how like those campaigns, target campaigns, secondary targeting, how

583
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: things like that worth The contracting and subcontracting companies hired

584
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: by the Atlanta Police Foundation made up the new targets

585
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 1: of the pressure campaigns and direct confrontation methods that threatened

586
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: physical and Social Capital bringing back the house visits mentioned

587
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 1: in the previous episode. In late December, banners that read

588
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: Reeves Young out of the Atlanta Forest were hung in

589
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: the backyard of the private residence of Dean Reeves in Suani, Georgia.

590
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: Dean Raeves serves as the chairman of Reeves Young Construction

591
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: and was among the board members present at the November action,

592
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: and he personally allegedly shoved and assaulted protesters inside the brawl.

593
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: After the backyard banners were hung, an anonymous online statement

594
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: read quote, we hope this action gives but a miniscule

595
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: dose of what the creatures in the South Atlanta forest

596
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,240
Speaker 1: you want to bulldoz might feel unsafe in the place

597
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 1: they call home. A month later, on January, Reeves Young

598
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: Construction and representatives of the Atlanta Police Foundation entered the

599
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: forest with a bulldozer. They started knocking down trees to

600
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: complete more surveying work and determine the construction supplies needed

601
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: for a laying of building foundation force. Destruction was halted

602
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: when approximately a dozen protesters approached the workers in Atlanta

603
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 1: Police Foundation representative Alan Williams and demanded that they leave.

604
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: Workers were safely escorted out of the woods, and the

605
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: bulldozer was left at the scene and was subsequently taken

606
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: out of commission. In my interviews with some force defenders,

607
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: I believe one of them referred to this as the

608
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: bulldozer tripping and falling, so that's fun. The day after

609
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 1: autonomous groups of people finished construction of multiple well built

610
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: treehouses up in the canopy near the site of the

611
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: previous day's confrontation, people climbed up into treehouses and announced

612
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: their intention to remain there in order to delay further construction,

613
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: ripping off the old tree sit and bipod tactics. From

614
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: October twenty one to this point in the struggle, just

615
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: like mid January, work was consistently able to be stopped

616
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: by small, dedicated groups of people without resorting to force.

617
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: Throughout the next week, attempts at land surveying in the

618
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: area of the old Atlanta Prison Farm continued, but now

619
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: with workers being accompanied by the Atlanta Police Foundation, Atlanta

620
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: Police officers, and a cab County police. With the backing

621
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: of cops, workers were able to accomplish more of their tasks,

622
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:21,280
Speaker 1: including tree felling and soil boring per Crime Thing quote.

623
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: In some instances, only handful of activists were on the

624
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: scene behind makeshift barricades. Reinforcements cannot arrive rapidly enough to

625
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 1: assist those on the ground. Unquote Reportedly, undercover cops surrounded

626
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: the forest, intimidating those who would park nearby. As such,

627
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: some outside support did show up, but not in mass. Meanwhile,

628
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,959
Speaker 1: in the forest, it was a game of cat mouse

629
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: between the workers, forest offenders, and cops. Police went so

630
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: far as to start chasing people on forest trails while

631
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: writing on a t V. S. Barricades and the tactical

632
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,439
Speaker 1: remove of land survey markers did slow down work on

633
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: some days, but ultimately efforts were unsuccessful in halting the

634
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: destruction process entirely. This week of land destruction and caton

635
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:17,240
Speaker 1: mouse culminated on January. Around sixty people, the largest crowd

636
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: in months, gathered to march into the south of a

637
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: forest and on to the old Atlanta Prison farm to

638
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: directly confront construction workers who were boring holes in the

639
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 1: ground doing soil sample collection. The cab County police attacked

640
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: the protesters, tackling multiple people and arresting four, the first

641
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: arrests inside the forest. Within the context of the movement

642
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: quoting crime thing again quote. Police attacked the march, tackling

643
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 1: several people. The other demonstrators did not mount a proportional

644
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: response to this aggression, despite outnumbering the police. Perhaps some

645
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: of the tactics popular during the rebellion, such as the

646
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: mass use of umbrellas or makeshift shields, could have equipped

647
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: the participants to feel more capable of decisive action. Allen

648
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: Williams of the Atlanta Police Foundation was filling protesters, looking

649
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: a little anxious as he did so. A statement on

650
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Speaker 1: the Defend the Forest scenes dot no blogs dot org

651
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: site concluded their report back with this sentiment quote, at

652
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: this point, we are in need of two main things.

653
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: More people to help support tree sets and defend the

654
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: force from destruction, and legal attempts to delay construction. Yeah. Always,

655
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 1: you want more people to be on the ground in

656
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: the woods, in the city. Cass wed cass like the

657
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:40,240
Speaker 1: cast like um. You want to wear out the enemy

658
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 1: and a lot of different ways, and the enemy has

659
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: a lot of different people. Of the enemies. Enemies are

660
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: subcontractors and enemy as a police enemies. George a power

661
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 1: powers quote unquote the power that divides both in Trenchman

662
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 1: Creek and said, there's a lot of different people. So

663
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: if there's a lot of and we also have a

664
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Speaker 1: lot of different people involve in a lot of different ways,

665
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 1: people living in the worlds, people living in town, so

666
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: people already know anything that it's already happening. We should

667
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 1: be visiting the offices, we should be visiting at home,

668
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: at the goddamn church, we should be visiting there. In

669
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: the forest, there should be there should be no peace.

670
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: And I believe that's how we can win, because we

671
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: need to make it unpopular and savory and hopefully next

672
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: to impossible for them to make these choices, because even

673
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: this as a small part of the forest, they're just

674
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: going to continue on the next thing. I want to

675
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 1: briefly go into some details about a method of protests

676
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: that combines pressure to both physical and social capital in

677
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: hopes of resulting material changes from businesses, corporations, or people

678
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 1: in power. It features many of the actual tactics we've

679
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: in fact already discussed. Will refer to it as the

680
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:53,720
Speaker 1: Shack method. For reasons that will be shortly explained. House visits,

681
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 1: targeted vandalism, phone calls, and hanging banners and backyards all

682
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 1: have a place in this method adology, it's a focused

683
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: drive to dissolve that safe political or corporate astral space

684
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: that I talked about in the last episode. The cred

685
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: of the article contains a really good summary of the

686
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,240
Speaker 1: Shack method. So instead of just like regurgitating their explainer,

687
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm just gonna narrate certain sections of it

688
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: because that will make my job easier and I'm I'm

689
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: a hacking of fraud blah blah blah blah blah quote.

690
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: The goal is to hold those responsible for these projects

691
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: personally liable for their decisions and the decisions of the

692
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: companies they own. Because the entire system of rules and

693
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: norms we live under dictates that exploiters, warlords, math murderers,

694
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: and those that destroy ecosystems must not face pressure at

695
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: home as a consequence of the decisions that they make

696
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: at work. This strategy is bound to be controversial. It

697
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: rejects the entire logic of limited liability that forms the

698
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 1: basis of corporate rule in our society. At the beginning

699
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 1: of the twenty first century, animal rights activists in the

700
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: UK and the US set out to take down the

701
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: biggest animal testing corporation on the planet Huntington's Life Sciences.

702
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: The campaign to stop Huntington's Life Sciences was called Stop

703
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: Huntington's Animal Cruelty or SHACK. It formally disbanded, and it's

704
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: best known for its period of ambitious international participation in

705
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: the early two thousands. The methodology of this movement, which

706
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: encompassed direct actions, symbolic protests, cultural events, sabotage, pranks, and more,

707
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: included many features that have been since used in a

708
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: wide range of campaigns. The overall strategy of SHACK involved

709
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: mobilizing a few hundred people to maximize their effectiveness against

710
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: a major enterprise by focusing only on their ability to

711
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: function economically. The SHACK model is centered around tertiary targeting

712
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: I isolating service providers from third party contracts in order

713
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: to limit their ability to provide services to the client,

714
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: which is the actual target. Okay, now I'm just gonna

715
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 1: pause here because if that sounds confusing, let me let

716
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 1: me briefly provide an example. So the actual target here

717
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: would be the Atlanta Police Foundation, since they're the ones

718
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: with plans to build a cops city. The Police Foundation

719
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: has contracted a few companies of Brassfield and Gory for

720
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: one and Reeves Young, So these companies are the service provider.

721
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: The shack model attempts to isolate the service provider, so

722
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: Reeves Young from all of their third party clients and contracts,

723
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 1: which will in the end go back to hurt the

724
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: actual target, which is the Atlanta Police Foundation back to

725
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: crime think the service provider. So in this case Heves

726
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: Young Uh. The service provider depends on many third parties.

727
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: Third parties provide the service provider with insurance, materials, equipment, security, catering, cleaning, mail, service, data, maintenance,

728
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: and more. All of those third parties can be pressured

729
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: to drop the service provider. Furthermore, the service provider is

730
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,919
Speaker 1: likely a company with more than one client, and those

731
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: other clients can also be pressured to drop the provider.

732
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: Any company or contractor that is able to move their

733
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: money away from the service provider because they have other

734
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: economic opportunities can be pressured to do so. Essentially, this

735
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: strategy does not directly challenge the bottom line of any

736
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: of the third party companies. It only isolates and demoralizes

737
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 1: the service provider and therefore the end target. Today, it

738
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: still remains unclear who is the service provider for the

739
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: Black Hall Studios development, although that information will come out

740
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: sooner than later. In considering the limits of the shack

741
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: strategy in actions outside of the forest, it might be

742
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: more difficult for activists to maintain a sense of urgency.

743
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: Targeting individuals at their offices and homes will chiefly bring

744
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: out those who are excited about such confrontational methods, rather

745
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: than those who prefer to maintain welcoming spaces of encounter,

746
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 1: to build treehouses, to or to clean campsites, to cook

747
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: for others, to cultivate the kind of collective imagining that

748
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 1: is needed to transform society. Also, if people fail to

749
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: do proper research or mapping, activists could waste their time

750
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 1: targeting minor institutions and companies that are unwilling or unable

751
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: to drop their contracts. They could spend months facing down

752
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 1: insignificant companies with many possible replacement subcontractors. Oh sorry, that

753
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 1: was a lot. That was a big info dump, but

754
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: I think it is useful information. So the goal isn't

755
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: to sway companies with moralizing arguments, but to frame their

756
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: association with militarized policing or ecological destruction as a bad

757
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: look that could hurt their reputation and ability to secure

758
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: future clients. Combined with economic consentives inflicted on the service

759
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: provider like access sabotage, the resulting targeted campaign attacking physical

760
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: and social capital can lead to pressure on third parties

761
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: to influence the decision of the service provider on whether

762
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: or not to stay on the project. Methodologies can put

763
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: to the test through practice and be judged by the outcome.

764
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: The proposal to employ the shock strategy to defend the

765
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: Forest is just built on the simple hypothesis that if

766
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: Reeves Young is forced to drop the contract with Atlanta

767
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,959
Speaker 1: Police Foundation, the Atlanta Police Foundation investors will then lose

768
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: the confidence that's required to find an adequate replacement and

769
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: the project could stumble or fail. The same goes for

770
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: the Black Hall project. If activists defeat Reeves Young by

771
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: means of direct action and self organization, even if the

772
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: project of finds a new contractor, sophistication and confidence in

773
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,919
Speaker 1: the movement will have developed in the process will likely

774
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: help it evolve once again. Also that people have figured

775
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: out because like for the first to after the first

776
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: to arsons, you could literally just walk up to during

777
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: daylight up to the area of Michelle Opa Park and

778
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: touch take pictures of like uh have sex around, like

779
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: make out with the construction equipment I've been burned, and

780
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: you could see the stickers of where they had rented

781
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: these like construction equipment, UM destruction equipment, and like after

782
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: the first one it changed, there was no longer rented

783
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: from the same company, and after the second one it

784
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 1: changed again. And there is reason to believe that with

785
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: every arson or attack that they are changing construction equipment

786
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: companies because rental companies tend to not like it whenever

787
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: their equipment is destroyed to cost them a lot of money,

788
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:44,760
Speaker 1: and oftentimes they cannot afford hundreds of thousands of dollars

789
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: going down the drain be to support a pot project

790
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,879
Speaker 1: that is highly unpopular. And the other thing what we're

791
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: talking about with the modified like a police and modifying

792
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: itself as it's interesting because where at this point where

793
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: policing is highly unpopular, and so it's kind of padging

794
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: its bets and it's doing two things. First, it's calling

795
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: itself like the Social Peace and Justice cute Bunny Rabbits

796
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: Center for your racist if you don't like us or whatever.

797
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 1: And then it's also just like mask off, doubling down

798
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: buying mad guns like like yet just becoming increasingly more militarized,

799
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: increasingly more violent and like moving mask off like an

800
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: occupying force. So there's this split where there's no and

801
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: people are well aware of this. There's there's no like

802
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: public chance of convincing um a lot of companies that

803
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 1: this is wrong. Right, there's it's it's it's well, it's

804
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,760
Speaker 1: very divided. So the people who are committed are very committed.

805
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: There are fucking enemies and where their enemies and that's it.

806
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: But then there's other people who are doing this for

807
00:49:55,520 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 1: economic reasons and kind of understand that policing is not cute, right,

808
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 1: and then it's at least unpopular, going out of fashion

809
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: to some degree, and can make money in other ways.

810
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's this interesting thing where like being able

811
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: to like fight battles for public opinion maybe doesn't super work,

812
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 1: and all you have to do is um kind of

813
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: trying to cut away the people who are supporting people

814
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 1: who are ideologically committed to our destruction, and we are,

815
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 1: you know, field reciprocal. If you look at the photos

816
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: of what was happening with Michelle Obama park, the land

817
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,399
Speaker 1: swap site they were trying to build on. You can

818
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: tell that heavy yellow equipment. LLC of Marietta, Georgia stopped

819
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: providing them equipment after like the first or the second

820
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: time that their machines got lit on fire. And now

821
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 1: it's alf A l I f of I don't know

822
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: where Georgia. So you know, these are photos that you

823
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: can see, like you can look at these communities and

824
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: just tell like like if there's a photo attached, like

825
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: there is a traceable like trend of companies are dropping

826
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 1: the funk out because they, for whatever reason, just cannot

827
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: take the heat. On June twelve, while fully in the

828
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: throes of nationwide revolt against police after the murder of

829
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 1: George Floyd, two Atlanta police officers killed Ray Schard Brooks,

830
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 1: a black man who had been sleeping in his car

831
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 1: in the parking lot of a Wendy's. Not long after,

832
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: the restaurant was burnt to the ground by determined crowds.

833
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: In the time period between June to the end of

834
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: the year, more than two hundred Atlanta police officers left

835
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: their jobs, including the a chief of police, local sheriff's deputies,

836
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,879
Speaker 1: state patrolmen, and transit cops also resigned during the year

837
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 1: of the uprising at a higher than average rate, as

838
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: the entire system of policing and capitalism faced a crisis

839
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: of legitimacy. Corporations, business owners, landlords, business associations, and international

840
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:09,439
Speaker 1: real estate companies demand a public pacification and a reassurance

841
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: of a future with stable consumerism. Profit incentive and police

842
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: need each other in a symbia like relationship. I'll do

843
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: one of my last crime thing quotes here. Quote. Forces

844
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: in local and federal government, business associations, police departments, and

845
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: our militias have continuously worked to make sure a popular

846
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 1: uprising does not reoccur. A large part of the institutional

847
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 1: reaction to the popular uprising has focused on managing public perception.

848
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: Industrial interests and private investment companies have conducted influence campaigns

849
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 1: using local news outlets which are owned by Sinclair Broadcasting

850
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: Group of a right wing news organization between Sinclair, Next Star,

851
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: Gray Tega, and Tribune. This coordinated reframing of events has

852
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: damaged the way many sectors of the television viewing public

853
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 1: perceive the revolt and its consequences. In the wake of

854
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: the uprising, a false narrative circulated to the effect that police,

855
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: while demoralized and underfunded, cannot control the crime waves currently

856
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: sweeping the country. This orchestrated narrative has shaped the imaginations

857
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: of suburban whites, small business owners, and many urban progressives.

858
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: The crime wave framework implied that police departments around the

859
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: country had in fact been defunded or had their powers curtailed,

860
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,800
Speaker 1: and were consequently unable to assure social peace or free enterprise.

861
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: In reality, the vast majority of police departments received an

862
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: annual increase in their budgets as they normally do. If anything,

863
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 1: they accrued more power following the events of So it's

864
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,720
Speaker 1: no coincidence that the Atlanta Police Foundation and the Atlanta

865
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: Police Department are pushing to build a militarized urban warfare

866
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 1: training center in the wake of the uprisings by le

867
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: virging that crime wave narrative and the fears of future

868
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: social unrest, they want to have the tools to bring

869
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: down the inevitable upcoming revolts for racial, environmental and economic justice,

870
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: and now more than ever, including reproductive justice. Cops cities

871
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: leading the charge is a part of a new effort

872
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: to adapt American policing strategies to our new era of

873
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: societal decay and the ever crumbling that will define this

874
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 1: century as we face the escalating consequences of industrialization and

875
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 1: climate change. I think another really important thing to look

876
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 1: at this is like when you look at the Greg

877
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 1: Floyd uprising in the crisis of private policing and they

878
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: realize that, oh, holy sh it, people are so angry

879
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: about this that they will pose a threat to the

880
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: sovereg the state, which is the first time that has

881
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 1: happened in an extremely long time. When that finally happened

882
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 1: the state, the morale of police departments around the country

883
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: was broken. Cops everywhere, We're like, it was a demoralizing thing.

884
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 1: And when you think about cops as an occupying force,

885
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:21,720
Speaker 1: as an occupying military force, it thinking about the fact

886
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: that we broke their morale is really important. And then

887
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 1: thinking about this place as they intend to build a

888
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: training facility to increase morale, which is a classic military

889
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: tactic of create cool and interesting ways to train your

890
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 1: soldiers to do a murder. Is like, that is a

891
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 1: classic military tactic. And when you think begin to think

892
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: about this as social or when you begin to think

893
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 1: about this as not just a struggle against cops city

894
00:55:56,640 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: that like as a struggle for like disabling and destroying

895
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 1: the police. When you think about this as a material

896
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 1: struggle against the occupying forces that are the police, this

897
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 1: becomes like way more contextual. In fact, I feel like

898
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: that is the best way to contextualize this movement. So

899
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 1: one interesting thing is that after Ray Schard Brooks is

900
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 1: murdered and the UM two cops involved were UM, they

901
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 1: substitquently charged UM what was it, six hundred props went

902
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: on second hundreds of hundreds UM, and their morale is broken.

903
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 1: A land police has always been understaffed for like as

904
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 1: long as I've known, UM and not understaffed by any

905
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: media propaganda spend standard there standards. But like every single

906
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: day they're facing backlogs in every zone where they cannot

907
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,879
Speaker 1: answer calls. And that's a good thing. This is a

908
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: war patriction where their current training facilities have broken. Tottchney

909
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: pipes have have have undeniably miserable conditions. Their cars are out,

910
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 1: their cars are like continually on their last legs, and

911
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: we that's that is a path through abolition is making

912
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: it so it is so undesirable to be a cop

913
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: in this city or any city that no one would

914
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: dare do it. It is crucial that police are not

915
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 1: the only ones that seek to evolve their tactics for

916
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: a new era and moving beyond the kind of non

917
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: violent action that's become so common during protests during the

918
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 1: Trump era and the post Green Scare, and even like

919
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: post occupy, there is this looking for a new form

920
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: of anarchist or radical resistance. Really emphasized the learning things

921
00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 1: here is that this struggle took all the different rulebooks,

922
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 1: tore them up, set them on fire, and use the

923
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: ashes for their shutter. Like everyone here is learning things.

924
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: People who have been who have been doing things along

925
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: fucking time are here and learning new things. We're we're

926
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: not just like tearing up and like destroying the rule books.

927
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: We're like we're like largest were weird. Yeah, yeah, like

928
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: put them like it, like tore all of them up

929
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 1: and make collogious out of them, and like is trying

930
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: to create this like weird paper mache mesh of a

931
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 1: experimental path into the future, And and like we wouldn't

932
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: when we say we are experimenting with new forms of revolt,

933
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: new new tactics, new strategies, We truly mean, there aren't

934
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: existing model to do what we're doing. We are writing

935
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 1: the book as we could do it, and yeah, we

936
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 1: sunk up sometimes, but we've also got some really cool

937
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 1: ship happening. Ship that hasn't happened in twenty years is happening,

938
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 1: and ship that hasn't happened ever is happening here. And

939
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 1: I think that's like a really it's a really important

940
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:31,439
Speaker 1: thing to touch on. Is that, like much of the yeah,

941
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 1: much of the like eco defense ship that's happened in

942
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 1: North America that for quite a while has like not done,

943
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 1: you know, or at least not released, communicates about like

944
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: ship that happens here seemingly every couple of weeks. Now,

945
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: like the ship here is crazy and wild under dreams

946
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 1: is also scary and hard and traumatizing, and it's beautiful

947
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 1: and terrifying and like, yeah, that sounds great, you should come. Yeah,

948
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 1: this is a such a way from us actually evolving

949
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 1: out of a I look at this as like a

950
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 1: huge step in what land offense looks like after we

951
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: have after we have faced green Scare repression, and now

952
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 1: we are moving past the post green Scare repression movements

953
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 1: and figuring out how to move forward and regardless of

954
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 1: it for this like uh lands and are really repressive

955
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 1: like bootstounded throats like situation. I don't think anyone should

956
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 1: ever stop experimenting. I don't think people should go back

957
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 1: to the old ways. I don't think that we should

958
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 1: be resigned to not experiment. I think that everyone, like

959
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: we are in a situation where there is nor future.

960
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 1: They're like the collapses now, We're probably not going to

961
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 1: avoid one point five degrees warming. Our police are only

962
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 1: further mails rising. And the like reality of resistance is

963
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 1: that we that we guess what we need experimentation. Yeah,

964
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 1: if there was a winning strategy that was proven to

965
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 1: be effective, then it would have it would have been

966
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 1: effective in therapy, we would have a winning strategy. There's

967
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 1: a popular name in the forest, which is the are

968
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 1: your name instead of are you? Are you experiencing the

969
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 1: joy of attacks on UM? And I think that is

970
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 1: an important line the same way Cops City is a

971
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 1: part of the new evolution of American policing. Defend the

972
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: Atlanta Forest can be seen as kind of trailblazing for

973
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 1: future movements, a look at how they might develop post

974
01:01:55,640 --> 01:02:00,439
Speaker 1: the George Floyd protests for my last final I think

975
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 1: quote quote. This campaign represents a crucial effort to chart

976
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 1: new paths forward in the wake of the George Floyd rebellion,

977
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 1: linking the defense of the land that sustains us with

978
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 1: the struggle against police. The movement opposed these developments, mobilizing

979
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 1: around the watchwords defend the Forest and stop Coops City,

980
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 1: have passed through several phases of experimentation, using a wide

981
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 1: array of tactics and strategies to keep pace with the

982
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 1: current course of events. It represents an important effort to

983
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 1: revitalize eco defense and police abolition strategies in the wake

984
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 1: of the George Floyd rebellion. So, considering the possible wide

985
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 1: ranging impacts of both the evolution of policing and the

986
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 1: evolution of resistance tactics that defend the Atlanta Force movement

987
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 1: is extremely relevant to all people who want to improve

988
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 1: the world, whether or not they live in Atlanta. Atlanta

989
01:02:52,600 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 1: as a testing ground for new surveillance and like in

990
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 1: like experimenting with new forms of struggle. Here in Atlanta,

991
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 1: there are things that not only are we in many

992
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 1: ways on the front lines of experimenting with new tactics,

993
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: and integrating new strategies and how they work. That we're

994
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 1: also on the front lines of like different kinds of

995
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 1: both like like in person and digital forms of oppression

996
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 1: that don't have to be worried about other places, and

997
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 1: like it also provides approving ground for ways to struggle

998
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 1: specifically against those forms of surveillance and understanding the different

999
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 1: ways that sometimes the most effective thing in protecting yourself

1000
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 1: from repression isn't some super high tech ship. It's a

1001
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 1: ski mask of paragloves and not bringing your phone, and

1002
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 1: like people don't seem to like think about that that

1003
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 1: I don't need to go to that part. But yet,

1004
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 1: so speaking of surveillance, we actually have like not we

1005
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 1: I don't claim that, UM. The police here and the

1006
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 1: state here has like the video Video re Integration System,

1007
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: which I believe is like one of our re integration

1008
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 1: video integration center where they take where businesses and homeowners

1009
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 1: are like rain cameras can call into here their video

1010
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 1: surveillance equipment to be plugged into a network UM that

1011
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 1: can be monitored and pulled up at any time by

1012
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 1: the police UM in a downtown location and they and

1013
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 1: that is like one of the largest surveillance network systems

1014
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 1: in the world, I believe, um and it was actually

1015
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 1: leading the charge in like new forms of surveillance, and

1016
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 1: other cities are looking at this as a model of

1017
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 1: how to how to better survey all their own cities,

1018
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 1: which obviously makes lend police defindation trying to create their

1019
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 1: own little mini city a very interesting prospect in terms

1020
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 1: of like establishing new you know, this means this is

1021
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 1: mentioned before, which was like establishing new ideas and how

1022
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 1: to take policing forward into thirties after we've had these

1023
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 1: wave of social justice like uprising and uprisings for Black

1024
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 1: liss Matter, um with you know. I mean not many

1025
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 1: places actually got defunded, but the propaganda has to be different,

1026
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 1: and like the way the police optics work definitely could

1027
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 1: need to be changed from their perspective, or they're trying

1028
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:36,479
Speaker 1: to have them be changed. One of the strongest things

1029
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 1: I feel like came out of this movement really pass

1030
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 1: ahead was our ability to don't have the game on,

1031
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 1: like the narrative and then never being able to recuperate

1032
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 1: that narrative is their plan was this answertude for sexual justice.

1033
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 1: There is a new way of training police to quote

1034
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:57,560
Speaker 1: be better or like not murder people as much and

1035
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 1: like more refined. Um, And I don't want more refined

1036
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 1: like police that like murder quote the right people or

1037
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 1: be the right people or cage the right people. That's

1038
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 1: not my desire I went into policing. Yeah, I think

1039
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:20,920
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of projects happening in the forest,

1040
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 1: and you know, I also just want to emphasize, like

1041
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 1: I'm not from Atlanta, but I feel like it's really

1042
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:28,920
Speaker 1: important for me to be here. You know. I think

1043
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 1: a lot of people who felt inspired by the George

1044
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 1: Fluid uprising, like, um, this is an attempt to recuperate.

1045
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 1: Like I've said this a million times, it's a time

1046
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 1: for the police to recuperate from that, and I'm trying

1047
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 1: to finish what we started. I also think that we

1048
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 1: need to understand that this isn't just about Atlanta. Like

1049
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 1: one of the buildings that they're trying to build, and

1050
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 1: like one of the points of this training facility is

1051
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 1: that it is like a hub in the same way

1052
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 1: Atlanta with a with a movie theater, the same way

1053
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 1: they're trying to make Atlanta this hub. Right, It's there's

1054
01:06:57,080 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 1: an infrastructure for being a hub from shipping and stuff

1055
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 1: like that. And so now they're trying to make it

1056
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 1: this this economic habit on my white collar way. And

1057
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 1: so they're trying to make it a hub for police

1058
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 1: in Atlanta, but also to train police to do fucked

1059
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 1: ship and to mutate like nationally. And I know that

1060
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 1: the police from the you know, whatever city I live

1061
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 1: in are probably going to come here and go back

1062
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 1: and funk that up. So I'm trying to make sure

1063
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 1: that they can't come here, and that you know, police

1064
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 1: are demoralized in every city and they're having trouble on

1065
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 1: every city. And this isn't just about the ap D.

1066
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:33,640
Speaker 1: If you live pretty much anywhere on the East Coast,

1067
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 1: there's a high chance that your police are going to

1068
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 1: come here and then go back to your house and

1069
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 1: fuck you up. So come here and make sure they can't.

1070
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:45,680
Speaker 1: And the other thing I want to say is like, um, yeah,

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01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 1: they want to make this a training facility for police.

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01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:52,320
Speaker 1: Right now, it is a training facility for anarchists. If

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01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 1: you come here, I promise you you will leave with

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01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:59,479
Speaker 1: more courage and with more skills and knowing a lot

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01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 1: of fun people who are really fucking down all over

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01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 1: the country. Um, and I think it's worth it. I

1077
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 1: wanted to jump in and say, like, this is about you. Um.

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01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 1: An hour or two hours south of here is the

1079
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 1: School of the America's you might have heard of it.

1080
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:22,799
Speaker 1: It's here in Georgia. It's where a lot of awful

1081
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 1: fucking dictators and their henchmen learned how to do really

1082
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 1: awful ship a bunch of war crimes. And here in

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01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 1: the city of Atlanta, a local school, the largest, the

1084
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:37,760
Speaker 1: largest university in the state, Georgia State University, hears something

1085
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:41,920
Speaker 1: called the Georgia International Law Enforcement Exchange or GILLY, which

1086
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 1: is where they and the i DF get together to

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01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:49,200
Speaker 1: train local police forces here in Atlanta and around the country.

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01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 1: And if you don't think that Cops City is going

1089
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:55,960
Speaker 1: to play a huge role in your police department learning

1090
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:58,080
Speaker 1: from the i d F how to beat you up,

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01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 1: you have another thing. You should come here to Atlanta.

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01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:05,800
Speaker 1: What's going on? Because this is about everyone here, like

1093
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 1: it's about the whole country. They're coming to Atlanta to

1094
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 1: learn how to brutalize people, and it's going to take

1095
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 1: all of us to stop it. A funny thing about

1096
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 1: this project is that there's these sort of dual intersections

1097
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 1: and dual microcosms. On one side, there is the intersection

1098
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:29,920
Speaker 1: of policing, gentrification, racism, ecological destruction, and climate change. And

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01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:32,720
Speaker 1: on the other side there's the intersection between the tactics

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01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 1: of urban city protest and rule eco defense. But there's

1101
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:40,280
Speaker 1: also this dual microcosm. On the side of the state,

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01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 1: they're trying to construct this police facility with a mock

1103
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 1: city to train in microcosm for protest suppression and practice

1104
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:51,840
Speaker 1: urban combat against people who live in American cities. And

1105
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:54,960
Speaker 1: on the people's side, there's this microcosm not only for

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01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:59,320
Speaker 1: how resistance movements can evolve post but more importantly for

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01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:02,639
Speaker 1: the people in up in the struggle, a microcosm for

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01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 1: how you can live a life free of the oppressive

1109
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 1: societal mechanisms that we claim to oppose. I think another

1110
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:13,680
Speaker 1: really interesting thing about this being like such an ungovernable

1111
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 1: space is that because it's ungeferable, because it's impossible to control,

1112
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 1: it allows us to create these new ways of relating

1113
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:26,440
Speaker 1: to be traveled there that can't happen to other places.

1114
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:30,839
Speaker 1: Like where else are like people in their everyday lives

1115
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:33,639
Speaker 1: just gonna be able to walk around as gender funded

1116
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:39,479
Speaker 1: as they want, and like just it's fine, like you

1117
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:41,840
Speaker 1: know if they're if a clear basher comes into these

1118
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 1: fucking woods, like it's gonna be a bad time because

1119
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:51,200
Speaker 1: literally everyone here is queer, like we don't. That's the

1120
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 1: thing is like when we exist in these spaces in

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01:10:55,560 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 1: this ungovernable way, we like are like eating many versions

1122
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:04,800
Speaker 1: of Yeah, this thing I want to talk to, something

1123
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about in terms of like the

1124
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 1: microcos of macrocosm idea of after uprising looking for new

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01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:15,080
Speaker 1: paths forward, the depending on a forest thing can be

1126
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 1: viewed as this microcost, like this micro causum of how

1127
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 1: we can approach different struggles going into going into twentyties

1128
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 1: and stuff um, because yeah, like it is like this

1129
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 1: small version of what we want. There's also the whole

1130
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:32,919
Speaker 1: idea of like what I've seen here in the forest

1131
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:36,599
Speaker 1: more closely resembles like an actual temporary autonomous zone than

1132
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 1: like the chads ever did in terms of like people

1133
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:43,360
Speaker 1: actually like actually living free, actually living like not relying

1134
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:46,640
Speaker 1: on like city water, like not like not living in

1135
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 1: like the in a downtown metro area. It's like it's

1136
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:53,760
Speaker 1: an actual free space where people can be queer and

1137
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 1: be all of the things and climb trees and talk

1138
01:11:57,479 --> 01:12:01,040
Speaker 1: with the deer and like that's people are actually allowed

1139
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:02,640
Speaker 1: to do that, Like there's there's not all of the

1140
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:06,200
Speaker 1: stigma that even I think, like Chazz had like so

1141
01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 1: many problems, right, like extremely extremely hashtag problematic in terms

1142
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 1: of how that resulted. Um, And yeah, this is such

1143
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 1: a microcosm of like like an autonomous area where people

1144
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:21,800
Speaker 1: are able to do those things. I also kind of

1145
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:24,439
Speaker 1: want to talk about like the like idea, our ideas

1146
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:29,120
Speaker 1: of safety and security don't reside and like the ideas

1147
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:33,200
Speaker 1: of say a safety or security for us, it doesn't

1148
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:35,639
Speaker 1: really resides in our trust in ourselves and each other.

1149
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 1: It resides and like we actually keep each other safe.

1150
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 1: We have each other's backs, we will fight for each other,

1151
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:47,880
Speaker 1: and any threat to any one of us is like

1152
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 1: taken seriously. We have this like intimacy, criminal intimacy like

1153
01:12:55,280 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 1: allows us to build more check nuan relationships with high

1154
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:05,720
Speaker 1: highs and low lows than anything ever could. And like

1155
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 1: the deafening that society puts on us, this like chemically

1156
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 1: induced regulated median of gray and terrible is that's not

1157
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:22,680
Speaker 1: what we live. Yes, some days here it sucks to

1158
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:26,479
Speaker 1: wake up and everything you ownly wet and you gotta

1159
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 1: go ship in a hole that it's fled. But also

1160
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:34,760
Speaker 1: some days things here are fucking awesome, and I get

1161
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:37,880
Speaker 1: to wake up to the birds calling and go like,

1162
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:41,719
Speaker 1: have a party with my friends. I don't like exist

1163
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:46,600
Speaker 1: here in a way it is like comprehensible or legible

1164
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:50,840
Speaker 1: to like a wider like society. I don't exist in

1165
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:54,280
Speaker 1: a way that people look at this and be like, ah,

1166
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:58,000
Speaker 1: that's what you need. But I have never been happier

1167
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 1: than when I've been in the woods with people I

1168
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:04,559
Speaker 1: trust and care about and don't have my back. People

1169
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:08,920
Speaker 1: people don't have to worry about working to pay their

1170
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 1: water bill because you can go just get the things

1171
01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:14,720
Speaker 1: you need from places you don't have to pay for it,

1172
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:18,080
Speaker 1: And like, you don't have to worry about all of

1173
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 1: these things, all of these societal pressures. There's not this

1174
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:25,360
Speaker 1: constant threat of oh I lose my job. Oh all

1175
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:28,600
Speaker 1: those things, all those things, all these mental constructs that

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01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:33,599
Speaker 1: control us aren't there anymore. Because we've built a world

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01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 1: it doesn't it doesn't rely on that in the slightest

1178
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:42,720
Speaker 1: And I think that's like a really powerful thing that like,

1179
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:47,920
Speaker 1: we've already met our own needs and so we can

1180
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:54,280
Speaker 1: fight back in these beautiful and fiery ways. Pun intended

1181
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:59,720
Speaker 1: that like allow us to just experience things that like

1182
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:05,599
Speaker 1: I've been stolen from us generations. Yeah, I was gonna say,

1183
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:07,840
Speaker 1: we're not safe, but we're free. And I think that

1184
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 1: anyone who makes that decision as an active decision to

1185
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 1: not be safe but to be free, I may not like,

1186
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:16,479
Speaker 1: but by definition I'll ride for them, because I can't say.

1187
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:30,800
Speaker 1: We're now nearing the end of the episode, but before

1188
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 1: I finish, I need to go back to talking about

1189
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 1: tactics for a bit and end with some actual good news.

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01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:41,680
Speaker 1: From January to present time of recording, there's been an

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01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:45,439
Speaker 1: increase in solidarity attacks in cities across the country, some

1192
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:49,280
Speaker 1: targeting Reeves Young and Long engineering equipment. In other states,

1193
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:53,800
Speaker 1: a third party service providers of contracted construction companies or

1194
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:57,679
Speaker 1: locations and offices of corporate sponsors of the Atlanta Police Foundation.

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01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:02,519
Speaker 1: This past March, X machines owned by Reeves Young, including

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01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:07,640
Speaker 1: two large excavators and a bulldozer, were destroyed in Flowery Branch, Georgia.

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01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:11,759
Speaker 1: The online communicate reads quote, so long as you continue

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01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:14,640
Speaker 1: to contract with the Atlanta Police Foundation for the destruction

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01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:17,800
Speaker 1: of the South Atlanta forest and the construction of a

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01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 1: Cops City in its place. Know that your equipment is

1201
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:24,559
Speaker 1: not safe, your offices are not safe, Your homes are

1202
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:27,560
Speaker 1: not safe. Unless your company chooses to pull out of

1203
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:30,679
Speaker 1: the Atlanta Police Foundation's Cops City project of its own volition,

1204
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:34,439
Speaker 1: we will undermine your profits so severely that you'll have

1205
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 1: no choice but to drop the contract unquote. Subsequent solidarity

1206
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:44,720
Speaker 1: attacks have happened in Portland, San Francisco, Salt Lake City, Minneapolis,

1207
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:48,040
Speaker 1: and Highland, Michigan, to name a few. Many of these

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01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:52,200
Speaker 1: attacks were targeted at Atlas Technical consultants, who own many

1209
01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 1: smaller companies such as Long Engineering, which has done work

1210
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:57,920
Speaker 1: with Reeves Young and brass Field and Gorri for the

1211
01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:02,160
Speaker 1: Cops City project. The vein of shack style methods. This

1212
01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:06,679
Speaker 1: past April, on the ninth website called stop Reeves Young

1213
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:11,439
Speaker 1: dot Com launched onto the interwebs. The site listed some

1214
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:15,519
Speaker 1: of the various third party clients and subcontractors under Reeves

1215
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 1: Young Construction and ways to contact them to voice concern

1216
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:23,600
Speaker 1: about their relation to the deforestation and this urban warfare

1217
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:27,160
Speaker 1: construction project. As well as including the names and addresses

1218
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:31,760
Speaker 1: of executives within Reeves Young and some of their affiliates.

1219
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:33,680
Speaker 1: On the day I was set to leave Atlanta and

1220
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 1: say goodbye to the forest for the time being, activists

1221
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:39,920
Speaker 1: got word that Reeves Young Construction might be dropping out

1222
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:43,720
Speaker 1: of the project. This would obviously be a big, big

1223
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:47,320
Speaker 1: win and an indication of the possible effectiveness of the

1224
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:51,800
Speaker 1: shack method combined with sabotage and the forest encampment tactics.

1225
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:56,000
Speaker 1: At a stakeholders meeting for the copsity of project the

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01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:59,519
Speaker 1: next day, it was publicly confirmed that Reeves Young will

1227
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:02,519
Speaker 1: not get tinue work on the new police training center.

1228
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:07,680
Speaker 1: In the public statement addressing Reeves Young's lack of future involvement,

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01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 1: the Atlanta Police Foundation tried to frame the situation as

1230
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 1: Reeves Young simply have quote finished their role in the project.

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01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:18,880
Speaker 1: This is a laughable deception, as Reeves Young is one

1232
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 1: of Atlanta's major construction firms and has even built massive

1233
01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:26,120
Speaker 1: quote unquote public safety facilities in the past. They do

1234
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:30,080
Speaker 1: not merely do preliminary sub contracting survey work. They work

1235
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:33,320
Speaker 1: on projects from start to finish, taking lead contracting roles.

1236
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 1: It was speculated that Reeves Young itself may have been

1237
01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:40,400
Speaker 1: the main subcontractor hired to do complete construction of Cops

1238
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:43,760
Speaker 1: City by brass Field and Gory, who have more established

1239
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:47,679
Speaker 1: ties to the Atlanta Police Foundation. Quoting from the Stop

1240
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:51,439
Speaker 1: for Reeves Young website quote, the Atlanta Police Foundation would

1241
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:54,000
Speaker 1: have us believe that Reeves Young was contracted to do

1242
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:58,360
Speaker 1: nothing more than hire a bulldozer and walk alongside long

1243
01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:01,799
Speaker 1: engineering work crews as they planted a few surveying stakes

1244
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:05,559
Speaker 1: and did some soil testing. Police and their corporate backers

1245
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:07,959
Speaker 1: don't want to let it be known that a focused

1246
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:11,200
Speaker 1: group of activists have delivered a devastating blow to the

1247
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:15,120
Speaker 1: Cops City construction, while the Atlanta Police Foundation tries to

1248
01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:18,640
Speaker 1: say face, we are celebrating a major victory pressuring a

1249
01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 1: main contractor out of the project. We are pleased that

1250
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:24,720
Speaker 1: the movement has built up so much momentum and that

1251
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:28,040
Speaker 1: the Cops City development continues to face setbacks because of

1252
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:32,320
Speaker 1: the intelligent actions of regular people. However, the struggle continues.

1253
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 1: Brass Field and Gory, another large general contractor, remains with

1254
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:41,400
Speaker 1: the project. A Georgia Open records request from April confirmed

1255
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 1: via Paper Trail that the Atlanta Police Foundation has been

1256
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:47,480
Speaker 1: working on the Cop City project with brass Field and Gory,

1257
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:50,519
Speaker 1: another major general contractor in the Southeast region of the

1258
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:54,120
Speaker 1: United States. Brass Field and Gory is an LLC and

1259
01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:58,440
Speaker 1: a multibillion dollar general contractor, ranked as a top contractor

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01:19:58,479 --> 01:20:02,840
Speaker 1: in the Southeast by Engineer News Record. Based on recent

1261
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:06,120
Speaker 1: Atlanta Police Foundation emails required through public records, we can

1262
01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:08,800
Speaker 1: now assume that brass Field and Gory act as the

1263
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:13,320
Speaker 1: sole contractor for Cops City. Quoting again from the Stop

1264
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:16,839
Speaker 1: Reeves Young website quote, brass Field and Gory are dependent

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01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 1: on subcontractors to complete their projects. Now they must hire

1266
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:24,040
Speaker 1: a new entire set of subcontractors in order to build

1267
01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:26,679
Speaker 1: a Cops City. We believe it is in their best

1268
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:29,120
Speaker 1: interests for brass Field and Gory to follow the lead

1269
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:32,839
Speaker 1: of Reeves Young and drop Atlanta Police Foundation as a client,

1270
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:36,439
Speaker 1: rather than remaining complicit in the destruction of the forest.

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01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:39,160
Speaker 1: It is up to all of us to make that

1272
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:42,439
Speaker 1: clear to them. We can pressure brass Field and Gory

1273
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:45,840
Speaker 1: out of Cops City by complicating their ability to do business.

1274
01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:48,280
Speaker 1: This does not have to be limited to the Cops

1275
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 1: City project. Their various construction projects and third party service

1276
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:55,640
Speaker 1: providers are numerous. If brass Field and Gore begin to

1277
01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:58,480
Speaker 1: feel like they must choose between all of their contracts

1278
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:01,680
Speaker 1: and their Cops City con tract, we are confident that

1279
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:04,719
Speaker 1: they will choose the former, but we working to convince

1280
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:10,240
Speaker 1: the subcontractors, consulting firms, surveyors, architects, etcetera around the country

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Speaker 1: that brass Field and Gory are not a good business investment.

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01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:15,320
Speaker 1: We can make it easier for the construction company to

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01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:17,879
Speaker 1: do the right thing and dump the Atlanta Police Foundation

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01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:22,120
Speaker 1: for good. This has been an incredible period of momentum

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01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 1: and research, but nothing is over yet. Now that we

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01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:28,160
Speaker 1: have made a decisive victory, it is important to remain

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01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:31,040
Speaker 1: more focused than ever. In the coming weeks and months,

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01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:33,520
Speaker 1: we will need to continue pressuring all of the contractors

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01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:36,880
Speaker 1: associated with the project to create economic consentives for them

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Speaker 1: to simply move their time and resources to other endeavors.

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01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:43,599
Speaker 1: The Stop Reeves Young website will continue to serve as

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01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:48,240
Speaker 1: an educational hub for this ongoing campaign. End quote. On

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01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:50,840
Speaker 1: top of confirming that Reeves Young was dropping out of

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01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:54,439
Speaker 1: the project, a few other interesting pieces of information came

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01:21:54,439 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 1: out at the recent stakeholders meeting held on April. Allegedly,

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01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:03,479
Speaker 1: there will be a bid for the next contractors or

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01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:07,160
Speaker 1: subcontractors UH in the coming weeks and that will be

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01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:10,479
Speaker 1: publicly announced. It was also announced during the meeting that

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01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:15,679
Speaker 1: the cops city planners will keep construction timelines secret and

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01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:19,040
Speaker 1: may surround the construction site and future facility with an

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01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:23,600
Speaker 1: unwanted fence. In response to the quote law breaking protesters,

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01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:28,240
Speaker 1: Atlanta Assistant Police Chief and Site Security Chief Darren sheer

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01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:31,240
Speaker 1: Bomb said quote, we are working with decav County to

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01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:35,280
Speaker 1: address any criminal acts related to trespassing and vandalism unquote.

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01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:38,920
Speaker 1: He also stated that police were also concerned with protesters

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01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:42,480
Speaker 1: targeting those who work on the project at other locations.

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01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:45,760
Speaker 1: Here's an interesting note from our force defender pals on

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01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:48,880
Speaker 1: how the Atlanta Police Department function and are allowed to

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01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 1: operate while inside the old Atlanta Prison Farm and Entrenchment

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01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:57,200
Speaker 1: Creek Park. This is something that's true police departments in Channel.

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01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:03,400
Speaker 1: But as soon as a cop is you know, out

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01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:06,640
Speaker 1: of like streets and things like that, that cop is

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01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:12,760
Speaker 1: uncomfortable and like cops here are carrying twenty pounds of

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01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:15,840
Speaker 1: gear on them at all times. And not only are

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01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:20,280
Speaker 1: they carrying that much gear, but they spend most all

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01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:23,720
Speaker 1: day sit running around and sitting in a car, and

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01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:28,880
Speaker 1: like you know, that cop not only doesn't want to

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01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:32,559
Speaker 1: chase you through the woods, but they also probably aren't

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01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:38,280
Speaker 1: capable of it. And aside from the obvious, like you know,

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01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:41,680
Speaker 1: their infrastructure issues, them being away from their cars, not

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01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:44,280
Speaker 1: being on the streets having all of their gear. We're

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01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:47,320
Speaker 1: also not in the City of Atlanta in this forest.

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01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:50,719
Speaker 1: We're an unincorporated the Cab County, which means Atlanta Police

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01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:55,240
Speaker 1: Department doesn't have legal jurisdiction as police here. They only

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01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:59,040
Speaker 1: have legal jurisdiction as agents of the City of Atlanta

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01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:02,120
Speaker 1: because the City of Atlanta owns this property which is

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01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:04,720
Speaker 1: outside of the city. So at any time when they're

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01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:08,000
Speaker 1: conducting and arrest they have to have the Cab County

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01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:11,880
Speaker 1: Police Department officers present with them. There. There can be

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01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:14,920
Speaker 1: an Atlanta Police Department and has been major like one

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01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 1: of their huge like high ranks, who has no legal

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01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:23,160
Speaker 1: authority here except to represent the city. And that relationship

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01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 1: is kind of like tenuous at best. They hate each pals.

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01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:31,200
Speaker 1: They hate each other, and you know, so if you're

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01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:34,440
Speaker 1: if you're headed in the town, like bear in minds

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01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:37,559
Speaker 1: that is a huge place to drive a wedge because

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01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:40,439
Speaker 1: they fucking hate each other. Yeah, I know there's like

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01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:44,320
Speaker 1: um and there is like one thing one time where

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01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:48,439
Speaker 1: like Atlant Police officers were inside the forest um with

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01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:51,000
Speaker 1: like a specific goal in mind in the Cab County

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01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:54,599
Speaker 1: Police cruisers. Not only good, the Cab police not want

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01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:56,719
Speaker 1: to gather the cruisers and go into the forest because

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01:24:56,720 --> 01:25:00,080
Speaker 1: they have they didn't care, they didn't want to do this.

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01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 1: So the Atlant Police, uh, We're screaming into their radio saying,

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01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:09,720
Speaker 1: get this person. They're walking out of the forest, get

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01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:11,400
Speaker 1: this person. They're walking out of the forest, and it

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01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:13,800
Speaker 1: would just be like fib er ten minutes before the

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01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:17,360
Speaker 1: Cab police like preserves to just roll down the road

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01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:20,920
Speaker 1: and like you know, they're like people who like ran

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01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:24,719
Speaker 1: into the woods and like ran from the age Cat police.

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01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:27,439
Speaker 1: Like we're like, I'm not going in this world these words.

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01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:30,839
Speaker 1: And I'm also not calling to let the Atlant Police

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01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:34,040
Speaker 1: to let them know that this person just ran from

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01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:37,479
Speaker 1: me into the woods, because then they'll have to actually

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01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:42,439
Speaker 1: go in after them. Also, during the April stakeholder meeting,

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01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:45,840
Speaker 1: Security Chief shear Bomb announced that the FBI and the

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01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:49,280
Speaker 1: Georgia Bureau of Investigation agreed to an assistance request in

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01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:53,240
Speaker 1: mid April from Atlanta Police Chief Rodney Bryant, and we'll

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01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:56,400
Speaker 1: be assigned to the site. While attempting to work with

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01:25:56,479 --> 01:26:00,240
Speaker 1: neighborhood watch groups, he noted that quote, we look word

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01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:02,400
Speaker 1: to working with those agencies to ensure that this is

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01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:05,400
Speaker 1: a safe project that is occurring here and addressing any

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01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:08,000
Speaker 1: criminal acts that may be occurring on site to try

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01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:12,280
Speaker 1: to stop the project from proceeding unquote. The co chair

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01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:16,519
Speaker 1: of the Stakeholder Advisory Committee, Sharon Williams, invoked the term

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01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:21,840
Speaker 1: eco terrorism as relating to the forced defense, marking the

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01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:24,080
Speaker 1: first time that word has been used by the government

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01:26:24,120 --> 01:26:28,160
Speaker 1: officials to refer to this batch of protests. She also

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01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:32,800
Speaker 1: thanked the cop City planners for quote transparency in explaining

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01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 1: why they cannot be transparent on the construction timeline. Emails

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01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:39,400
Speaker 1: between the Atlanta Police Foundation and the City of Atlanta,

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01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:43,840
Speaker 1: obtained via public records requests do give a possible look

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01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:48,400
Speaker 1: into the future of the development. In a January two email,

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01:26:48,439 --> 01:26:52,160
Speaker 1: Police Foundation representative Allen Williams said that we quote plan

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01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:57,360
Speaker 1: on enabling work possibly in the Mayo and June time frame.

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01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:01,840
Speaker 1: Our project will last until the last order, and our

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01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:05,519
Speaker 1: contractors are currently working on an overall site logistics and

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01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:10,800
Speaker 1: safety plan unquote, although at the time their contractors still

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01:27:10,840 --> 01:27:14,080
Speaker 1: included Reeves Young, so there's no telling how accurate that

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01:27:14,160 --> 01:27:19,400
Speaker 1: timeline is now. Other emails detailed plans for Homeland Security

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01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:24,040
Speaker 1: to obtain ring camera subscriptions to monitor quote criminal activity

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01:27:24,040 --> 01:27:28,080
Speaker 1: at the new Academy footprint unquote. In general, when involved

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01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:31,320
Speaker 1: in any level of protest, no matter of the alleged legality,

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01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:36,360
Speaker 1: security culture considerations should always be among people's top priorities,

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01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:39,400
Speaker 1: especially with more eyes being directed to the defend the

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01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:44,120
Speaker 1: Atlanta Forced project. Each person should be responsible for themselves

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01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:46,599
Speaker 1: and might I think that that type of action you're

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01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:51,639
Speaker 1: interested in taking should severely inform the type of personal

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01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:57,559
Speaker 1: security precautions that you're taking. Um. I think that's that's

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01:27:57,560 --> 01:28:02,519
Speaker 1: been a recurring theme as the movement builds. There are

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01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:06,360
Speaker 1: folks that come in to not having heard the term

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01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:09,160
Speaker 1: security culture up set or whatever you want to call it,

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01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:12,519
Speaker 1: and so that can be really jarring for folks that

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01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:16,120
Speaker 1: are just first trying to get involved, but people pick

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01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:19,519
Speaker 1: it up surprisingly quick once you have built as a

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01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:25,160
Speaker 1: community like norms and customs around is this a phone's on,

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01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:28,879
Speaker 1: our phones off meeting. Are we talking about this on signal?

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01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:32,120
Speaker 1: Is the call for this action going out on social media?

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01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:35,360
Speaker 1: Are we just sharing this amongst friends where that hadn't

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01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:38,439
Speaker 1: really been a thing and where frankly, a lot of

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01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:42,720
Speaker 1: people face significant repression here in Atlanta during the uprisings

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01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:47,280
Speaker 1: because of security culture decisions that were made. I think

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01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:53,040
Speaker 1: that a security culture is being built here that where

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01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:57,439
Speaker 1: it didn't really exist before, or at least wasn't widespread before,

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01:28:58,040 --> 01:29:03,120
Speaker 1: is going to survive long past this movement. I think

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01:29:04,160 --> 01:29:07,640
Speaker 1: like one of the biggest aspects of these things is

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01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:12,400
Speaker 1: like the social aspects of it, and like like the

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01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:17,759
Speaker 1: generalizing of the norm of if someone answers you vaguely

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01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:23,160
Speaker 1: and seems uninterested in to meet, in continuing the conversation,

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01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:27,719
Speaker 1: just understanding that they have your best interests in heart

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01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:32,559
Speaker 1: when they don't want you to know, and like, quite frankly,

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01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:36,760
Speaker 1: you just can't accidentally share information you don't have. And

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01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:41,760
Speaker 1: so like, you know, when we sit here in these

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01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:45,800
Speaker 1: woods and people say, you know, like you say, like,

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01:29:46,240 --> 01:29:49,719
Speaker 1: so you know you're where have you been? Blah blah blah,

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01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:52,320
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, oh, you know, hey, our places

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01:29:52,439 --> 01:29:55,880
Speaker 1: or something like that, I just don't ask questions, and

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01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:59,240
Speaker 1: I understand that I don't just not only do I

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01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:01,840
Speaker 1: not need to, but I probably don't want to know.

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01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:06,040
Speaker 1: And like, you know, when it comes to like more

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01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:12,800
Speaker 1: like material technical things, those are important, but like the

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01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:18,799
Speaker 1: social aspects of security culture are so so much more

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01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:25,960
Speaker 1: important than the technical aspects. It's like I don't know

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01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:30,200
Speaker 1: as everybody talks about security culture as like take your

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01:30:30,200 --> 01:30:35,240
Speaker 1: phone out of the room, but like you know, if

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01:30:35,240 --> 01:30:37,719
Speaker 1: you take the phone out of the room and talk

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01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:42,200
Speaker 1: about doing crazy ship with complete strangers, you don't you

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01:30:42,280 --> 01:30:45,120
Speaker 1: know and have a reason to trust them, And like

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01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:50,240
Speaker 1: coming here to Atlanta, like if you want to do

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01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:56,640
Speaker 1: crazy ship, don't you know if you want to do

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01:30:56,840 --> 01:31:00,280
Speaker 1: if you're coming to Atlanta, let me reef is that

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01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:02,519
Speaker 1: you're If you're coming to Atlanta and you want to

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01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:06,880
Speaker 1: do crazy ship, like you to think about like how

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01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:10,639
Speaker 1: to do that in a safe way or as safely

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01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:16,160
Speaker 1: as possible. You know, don't don't come to us and

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01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:21,080
Speaker 1: be like, hey, I haven't met you before, but like

1437
01:31:21,439 --> 01:31:23,720
Speaker 1: do you want to go do some federal felonies? Because no,

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01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:26,800
Speaker 1: I don't and I don't want to know that you're

1439
01:31:26,840 --> 01:31:33,160
Speaker 1: doing that either like we have do you want to

1440
01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:37,120
Speaker 1: do crazy ship? That's cool, just like I don't want

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01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:40,000
Speaker 1: to know you did it. And like if you're like

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01:31:40,160 --> 01:31:45,040
Speaker 1: coming here with the intention of creating, like with the

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01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:49,559
Speaker 1: intention of like doing ship because it's like cool and fun.

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01:31:49,680 --> 01:31:53,360
Speaker 1: If you're coming here with the intention of, like I

1445
01:31:53,479 --> 01:31:56,880
Speaker 1: want to gain social capital because I did crazy things,

1446
01:31:56,920 --> 01:32:02,720
Speaker 1: like maybe you rethink that like if you if you

1447
01:32:03,800 --> 01:32:10,320
Speaker 1: want and find your closest friends, plan a road trip,

1448
01:32:10,360 --> 01:32:15,080
Speaker 1: and don't help anyone. In a recent interview, Atlanta Police

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01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:19,200
Speaker 1: Foundation President and CEO Dave Wilkinson estimates that defend the

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01:32:19,240 --> 01:32:23,080
Speaker 1: forest quote unquote group members have done hundreds of thousands

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01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:26,720
Speaker 1: of dollars of damage to utility equipment and has brought

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01:32:26,760 --> 01:32:28,880
Speaker 1: up plans to add defense around the entirety of the

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01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:32,960
Speaker 1: site as construction begins, saying, and anyone on the site

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01:32:32,960 --> 01:32:35,639
Speaker 1: will be arrested and as we move forward, the enforcement

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01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:39,840
Speaker 1: will become stricter and stricter unquote. Also stated in an

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01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:43,439
Speaker 1: interview is that quote. The Police Foundation also hopes to

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01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:47,840
Speaker 1: build separate museums on site dedicated to police officers and

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01:32:47,880 --> 01:32:53,200
Speaker 1: the labor prison that was once located there. So that's

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01:32:53,200 --> 01:32:57,120
Speaker 1: that's what the kids call maskoff moment of building a

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01:32:57,240 --> 01:33:02,640
Speaker 1: dedicated museum two cops and labor prison a k A.

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01:33:02,680 --> 01:33:07,040
Speaker 1: Slave labor prison. Anyway, the first phase of the project

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01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:11,240
Speaker 1: had the initial ninety million price take attached, with taxpayers

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01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:13,760
Speaker 1: being forced to pay thirty million dollars of that, and

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01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:16,400
Speaker 1: it's still unclear what the final cost of the facility

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01:33:16,479 --> 01:33:19,400
Speaker 1: is slated to be, or what the estimated operating costs are,

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01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:23,200
Speaker 1: or really how many phases of construction they really plan

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01:33:23,280 --> 01:33:26,439
Speaker 1: on doing. The past few weeks, the site of Cops

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01:33:26,479 --> 01:33:30,320
Speaker 1: in the Woods has become a more and more common occurrence,

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01:33:31,080 --> 01:33:35,800
Speaker 1: whether to do scouting or just apparently detonating explosives for

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01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:38,840
Speaker 1: funzies at their current makeshift shooting range, like they did

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01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:41,840
Speaker 1: a few days ago. One morning when I was there,

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01:33:41,880 --> 01:33:44,960
Speaker 1: I woke up to people yelling Cops in the Woods, which,

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01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:47,920
Speaker 1: by the way, is a very effective substitute for caffeine

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01:33:48,200 --> 01:33:51,080
Speaker 1: in terms of making you very awake and alert quite

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01:33:51,080 --> 01:33:53,840
Speaker 1: early in the morning. Um. And then while running through

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01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:56,839
Speaker 1: the forest, I saw a beautiful deer and a hopping rabbit.

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01:33:56,960 --> 01:34:03,160
Speaker 1: So nice clash of of feelings and sensations there. In

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01:34:03,240 --> 01:34:07,479
Speaker 1: terms of closing sentiments based on conversations and observations I

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01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:10,320
Speaker 1: had from my brief time in the woods. It's this

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01:34:11,240 --> 01:34:14,839
Speaker 1: play to your strengths, don't play by the enemy's rules,

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01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:19,680
Speaker 1: utilize the intersection of urban city based tactics and resources

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01:34:19,880 --> 01:34:24,839
Speaker 1: while taking inspiration from classic forest based eco defense. Attacking

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01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:26,800
Speaker 1: from the cover of the woods and ensuring that the

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01:34:26,920 --> 01:34:30,639
Speaker 1: terrain is as unwelcoming as possible to vehicular machinery can

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01:34:30,680 --> 01:34:34,719
Speaker 1: help by time for rapid response popular mobilization from people

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01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:40,800
Speaker 1: living in the city. If and when that time comes,

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01:34:41,600 --> 01:34:44,000
Speaker 1: I'll be careful coming down a key road. They throwing

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01:34:44,080 --> 01:34:47,080
Speaker 1: bottles at the police, and the bottles a smoke ball,

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01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:51,280
Speaker 1: so be careful. They in the woods um throwing at

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01:34:51,280 --> 01:34:57,559
Speaker 1: the police cars and stuff like. Appreciate it. Yeah, And

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01:34:57,560 --> 01:35:01,639
Speaker 1: despite the defensive nature of the ending the forest, there

1492
01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:04,280
Speaker 1: still is a large amount of making sure that as

1493
01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:07,400
Speaker 1: often as possible you can do the prep work to

1494
01:35:07,439 --> 01:35:10,880
Speaker 1: set the terms of engagement so that they're fighting on

1495
01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:14,920
Speaker 1: your terms. You're not always complying to theirs, which is

1496
01:35:15,120 --> 01:35:18,080
Speaker 1: can be useful for defensive stuff. Obviously, the whole aspect

1497
01:35:18,600 --> 01:35:22,639
Speaker 1: of defending a forest like this that you I think

1498
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:28,559
Speaker 1: the defenders can have this almost like spectral quality of

1499
01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:34,559
Speaker 1: like cops don't know where people are, what they've built,

1500
01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:37,599
Speaker 1: what's in the forest, what's in the woods, and that's

1501
01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:41,000
Speaker 1: like spooky, like you like you don't know who's who's

1502
01:35:41,080 --> 01:35:43,559
Speaker 1: up in a treehouse, you don't know who's behind what tree,

1503
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:46,240
Speaker 1: you don't know what things are in the woods, and

1504
01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:49,320
Speaker 1: that spectral quality of the forest offense is a really

1505
01:35:49,720 --> 01:35:53,280
Speaker 1: interesting aspect of it that you don't see. And you

1506
01:35:53,280 --> 01:35:55,160
Speaker 1: don't see that. And then like pipeline protests as much,

1507
01:35:55,200 --> 01:35:57,080
Speaker 1: you don't really see that for like protests in a city,

1508
01:35:57,479 --> 01:35:59,200
Speaker 1: um because the city very much as like a more

1509
01:35:59,240 --> 01:36:01,760
Speaker 1: of like a cop story. Um So I really do

1510
01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:04,960
Speaker 1: like that aspect of like cops are kind of scared

1511
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:10,240
Speaker 1: to go in the woods because they're spooky. They have

1512
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:15,120
Speaker 1: openly testified, like in court testimony that said that when

1513
01:36:15,120 --> 01:36:19,040
Speaker 1: this forest defender was arrested, the police officer that gave

1514
01:36:19,160 --> 01:36:25,479
Speaker 1: his statement to the judge was shaking, physically shaking because

1515
01:36:25,479 --> 01:36:27,640
Speaker 1: he was so afraid from being yelled at, Like that

1516
01:36:27,720 --> 01:36:29,640
Speaker 1: was all that had happened, is a bunch of protesters

1517
01:36:29,680 --> 01:36:32,240
Speaker 1: were yelling at them and he was shaking. The police

1518
01:36:32,240 --> 01:36:35,559
Speaker 1: are really dependent on their infrastructure. They are dependent on

1519
01:36:35,680 --> 01:36:37,880
Speaker 1: all of that kid that they carry around. They are

1520
01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:40,720
Speaker 1: not mobile. They are meant to be attached to that

1521
01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:44,360
Speaker 1: squad car, and every further step they take away from that,

1522
01:36:45,000 --> 01:36:48,240
Speaker 1: they are more and more uncomfortable. And when they look

1523
01:36:48,280 --> 01:36:49,840
Speaker 1: around they realized they were in the middle of the

1524
01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:54,360
Speaker 1: fucking woods. That's terrifying for them and that needs to

1525
01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:58,080
Speaker 1: be like taking advantage of. And it is. What's that like?

1526
01:36:58,280 --> 01:37:01,840
Speaker 1: They their drones in their these helicopters have problem even

1527
01:37:01,880 --> 01:37:05,559
Speaker 1: with their thermal tracking of seeing through the canopy. What's

1528
01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:08,519
Speaker 1: that like? And I want to say, like, it was

1529
01:37:08,560 --> 01:37:11,120
Speaker 1: really funny to me that in that like it was

1530
01:37:11,160 --> 01:37:14,519
Speaker 1: said that the purposes were screaming, we know where you live,

1531
01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:18,840
Speaker 1: we know where you live. We're coming, We're coming, which

1532
01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:21,360
Speaker 1: is the whole, the whole ghost thing, um, because I mean,

1533
01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:23,639
Speaker 1: I mean in terms of in terms of thermal stuff.

1534
01:37:23,680 --> 01:37:25,840
Speaker 1: I brought a thermal camera of mine here and the

1535
01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:28,040
Speaker 1: woods are very hard to see through. With my thermal camera.

1536
01:37:28,040 --> 01:37:30,000
Speaker 1: I cannot see more than twenty ft away. I've I've

1537
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:33,160
Speaker 1: tested it on people. It's that's the super interesting aspect.

1538
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:36,519
Speaker 1: And yeah, like it's the whole like Fern Gully, Princes,

1539
01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:40,040
Speaker 1: Princess mononoke thing of like when people come out of

1540
01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:44,160
Speaker 1: the woods wearing ski basks, like that's freaking Like it's

1541
01:37:44,200 --> 01:37:46,840
Speaker 1: like we are you, Like you can be the thing

1542
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:49,040
Speaker 1: that goes boo in the night like that, Actually that

1543
01:37:49,200 --> 01:37:52,280
Speaker 1: is you, um, and that's something that should be taken

1544
01:37:52,320 --> 01:37:55,719
Speaker 1: advantage of when there's people invading the forest and trying

1545
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:59,040
Speaker 1: to destroy it. I think this is a really important

1546
01:37:59,240 --> 01:38:02,120
Speaker 1: to touch on. Is that for a lot of us,

1547
01:38:02,439 --> 01:38:07,640
Speaker 1: even though like may us have been like socialized to

1548
01:38:07,680 --> 01:38:09,960
Speaker 1: think of the dark and the night and the woods

1549
01:38:10,120 --> 01:38:14,800
Speaker 1: as this scary thing, this is where I feel the

1550
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:19,840
Speaker 1: most safe. This is if you give me a bunch

1551
01:38:19,880 --> 01:38:22,439
Speaker 1: of camel and like send me off into the woods,

1552
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:27,639
Speaker 1: there's nowhere I'm going to feel more safe and more

1553
01:38:27,720 --> 01:38:32,840
Speaker 1: capable both of safety and attack. When I'm out here,

1554
01:38:33,640 --> 01:38:36,240
Speaker 1: I feel like I can do anything. You give me

1555
01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:41,799
Speaker 1: a bunch of woods, a bunch of hills, Like, there's

1556
01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:45,479
Speaker 1: so much we can do because we're not in this

1557
01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:51,519
Speaker 1: position of you know, entering hostile territory to you know,

1558
01:38:52,320 --> 01:38:57,000
Speaker 1: do things. This is territory that we control, and this

1559
01:38:57,200 --> 01:39:00,320
Speaker 1: is territory that we are using to fight that and

1560
01:39:00,400 --> 01:39:04,519
Speaker 1: we're weaponizing not just you know the cops fear, but

1561
01:39:04,560 --> 01:39:10,080
Speaker 1: we're recognizing the terrain itself. We're weaponizing the trees, were

1562
01:39:10,120 --> 01:39:14,520
Speaker 1: recognizing the hills, were recognizing the ruins, and we're recognizing

1563
01:39:14,640 --> 01:39:22,120
Speaker 1: everything here as like literally a thing to use to

1564
01:39:22,320 --> 01:39:26,240
Speaker 1: attack the state. If you give me a ridgeline, I

1565
01:39:26,280 --> 01:39:29,720
Speaker 1: can hide from the cops better than any fucking you know,

1566
01:39:30,200 --> 01:39:33,640
Speaker 1: high tech thermal scattering delly suit is ever gonna give me.

1567
01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:37,240
Speaker 1: You know, out here, you don't need a bunch of

1568
01:39:37,280 --> 01:39:41,200
Speaker 1: fancy ship to like engage in conflict with the state.

1569
01:39:41,320 --> 01:39:46,519
Speaker 1: You don't need thermal cameras and all that. You can

1570
01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:50,080
Speaker 1: walk into a military surplus store and buy, you know,

1571
01:39:51,160 --> 01:39:54,040
Speaker 1: for fifty bucks. You can buy everything you need to

1572
01:39:54,280 --> 01:39:58,800
Speaker 1: like do just about whatever you want out here. And

1573
01:39:58,920 --> 01:40:04,320
Speaker 1: that's like, that's like a really important and beautiful thing.

1574
01:40:04,439 --> 01:40:09,080
Speaker 1: Is It's not it's not hard to do what we're doing.

1575
01:40:10,200 --> 01:40:12,479
Speaker 1: You just have to break down the mental barriers and

1576
01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:17,840
Speaker 1: do it. Um. Yeah, we we do our best to

1577
01:40:17,880 --> 01:40:21,720
Speaker 1: protect the trees, and the trees protected us too. It's

1578
01:40:22,960 --> 01:40:26,200
Speaker 1: it's cool living here, and it's like obviously something ever

1579
01:40:26,320 --> 01:40:29,000
Speaker 1: on most people probably like think about is yet how

1580
01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:32,519
Speaker 1: important wild spaces are. But it's cool to really fucking

1581
01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:35,639
Speaker 1: feel it. And it's like like, yeah, this this place

1582
01:40:35,720 --> 01:40:38,200
Speaker 1: is super important because of how it interacts with the

1583
01:40:38,240 --> 01:40:40,680
Speaker 1: ecosystem and how it filters the water and that it's

1584
01:40:40,720 --> 01:40:43,160
Speaker 1: a safe haven for a lot of really beautiful animals

1585
01:40:43,160 --> 01:40:46,280
Speaker 1: and plants. But also this place is important because wild

1586
01:40:46,280 --> 01:40:49,720
Speaker 1: spaces are sucking uncontrollable and I want to live in

1587
01:40:49,760 --> 01:40:54,760
Speaker 1: an uncontrollable way and like you need those things, and um,

1588
01:40:54,800 --> 01:40:59,080
Speaker 1: it is it's really cool, like this is a wild space.

1589
01:40:59,160 --> 01:41:03,080
Speaker 1: It's also for in a city, which is cool. It's

1590
01:41:03,160 --> 01:41:07,200
Speaker 1: fucking weird, Like there's there's city people who come here

1591
01:41:07,280 --> 01:41:11,280
Speaker 1: who are fucking weird and do weird ship and it's sick. Um,

1592
01:41:11,320 --> 01:41:15,439
Speaker 1: and like it is an uncontrolled space and like sometimes

1593
01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:18,479
Speaker 1: that means that there's like fucking ship chemicals that are

1594
01:41:18,520 --> 01:41:22,240
Speaker 1: like fucking plants up. But also sometimes that means there's

1595
01:41:22,280 --> 01:41:25,680
Speaker 1: people who like are doing things that are free and

1596
01:41:25,720 --> 01:41:29,600
Speaker 1: doing things they couldn't do in the city. And um,

1597
01:41:29,640 --> 01:41:31,920
Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter if I like it or not.

1598
01:41:32,120 --> 01:41:34,920
Speaker 1: It makes me, Yeah, it makes me happy. They just

1599
01:41:35,000 --> 01:41:38,240
Speaker 1: know that those people can act on their desires. Um.

1600
01:41:38,320 --> 01:41:40,960
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's not always fucking convenient or good. And

1601
01:41:41,040 --> 01:41:44,120
Speaker 1: sometimes I intend to antagonistic relationships or that because it

1602
01:41:44,120 --> 01:41:47,360
Speaker 1: conflicts with my desire. But there's no mediation and there's

1603
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:51,800
Speaker 1: there's there's no one getting in between. And yeah, it's

1604
01:41:51,800 --> 01:41:56,360
Speaker 1: just it's really important. And I think like the the

1605
01:41:56,479 --> 01:41:59,519
Speaker 1: slogan that people say of not what is there, not

1606
01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:02,040
Speaker 1: one tree, not one blade of grass, like is like

1607
01:42:02,080 --> 01:42:05,960
Speaker 1: an inspirational thing, but it's also like a strategy, Like

1608
01:42:06,000 --> 01:42:10,679
Speaker 1: it's like a tactical assertion that is important for us. Like, yeah,

1609
01:42:10,720 --> 01:42:15,400
Speaker 1: if like this forest and these wild spaces are essential,

1610
01:42:15,520 --> 01:42:18,800
Speaker 1: not just for us to physically stop the police, but

1611
01:42:18,840 --> 01:42:22,120
Speaker 1: like essential to be an anarchist. Like if there are

1612
01:42:22,200 --> 01:42:27,040
Speaker 1: not wild spaces, spaces that they can't put security cameras

1613
01:42:27,120 --> 01:42:31,439
Speaker 1: up here because they there's no electricity and the trees

1614
01:42:31,439 --> 01:42:34,840
Speaker 1: are two dens for solar panels and they get smashed anyway,

1615
01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:38,360
Speaker 1: you know, like it's important to have those things. If

1616
01:42:38,400 --> 01:42:41,559
Speaker 1: there's not places like that, there's not places where you

1617
01:42:41,560 --> 01:42:45,280
Speaker 1: you know, like and and so that for itself is cool.

1618
01:42:45,360 --> 01:42:47,200
Speaker 1: And the other thing is just living here with the

1619
01:42:47,320 --> 01:42:52,080
Speaker 1: fucking animals, Like, um, it's cool. The deer. If you

1620
01:42:52,080 --> 01:42:54,160
Speaker 1: want to find a get a hiding spot in the forest,

1621
01:42:54,439 --> 01:42:57,000
Speaker 1: pay attention to where the fucking deer sleep. They sleep

1622
01:42:57,040 --> 01:42:59,479
Speaker 1: in different places most nice. You won't suck them up

1623
01:42:59,520 --> 01:43:01,439
Speaker 1: as long as don't get the exact same one day're

1624
01:43:01,479 --> 01:43:04,120
Speaker 1: sleeping and they're really freaking hard to find. Something with

1625
01:43:04,160 --> 01:43:07,360
Speaker 1: the coylds, like sathing with the snakes, and like it's

1626
01:43:07,400 --> 01:43:09,960
Speaker 1: just very cool to get to observe and live with

1627
01:43:10,000 --> 01:43:14,920
Speaker 1: all these animals. And um, you know there's an owl

1628
01:43:16,520 --> 01:43:20,280
Speaker 1: such screaming five o'clock every day. It's like a nice

1629
01:43:20,320 --> 01:43:23,120
Speaker 1: little marker. And that's for me. That's better than you know,

1630
01:43:23,200 --> 01:43:26,400
Speaker 1: looking at my watch. It's pretty cool. This leads us

1631
01:43:26,560 --> 01:43:29,360
Speaker 1: up to our present day and the upcoming week of

1632
01:43:29,400 --> 01:43:33,519
Speaker 1: Action in Atlanta, Georgia, happening from Sunday May eight to

1633
01:43:33,760 --> 01:43:38,200
Speaker 1: Sunday May If you are anywhere near the Atlanta area,

1634
01:43:38,280 --> 01:43:40,559
Speaker 1: you have no reason to not check it out. It's

1635
01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:43,120
Speaker 1: a week's worth of events spanning from early in the

1636
01:43:43,160 --> 01:43:46,519
Speaker 1: morning till late into the evening every day for seven days.

1637
01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:49,559
Speaker 1: You can find the calendar of events on defend the

1638
01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:53,040
Speaker 1: Atlanta Forest dot com. And if you are not near Atlanta,

1639
01:43:53,160 --> 01:43:55,559
Speaker 1: I would still recommend you make your way there post

1640
01:43:55,560 --> 01:43:58,880
Speaker 1: taste if you are able to. Whether that's during the

1641
01:43:58,960 --> 01:44:02,240
Speaker 1: Week of Action or later on down the line. More

1642
01:44:02,240 --> 01:44:05,400
Speaker 1: boots on the ground is almost always a plus. Here's

1643
01:44:05,439 --> 01:44:07,639
Speaker 1: the more info on the upcoming Week of Action from

1644
01:44:07,720 --> 01:44:11,679
Speaker 1: May eight through May fifteen. So generally in the past,

1645
01:44:11,720 --> 01:44:13,840
Speaker 1: the past few week of actions have been like really

1646
01:44:13,880 --> 01:44:17,800
Speaker 1: above ground, really like giving people comfortable forest, getting people

1647
01:44:17,840 --> 01:44:22,280
Speaker 1: into a forest, like the immunity events are like UM

1648
01:44:22,360 --> 01:44:27,840
Speaker 1: and just like public gatherings, inform nights, skill shares, other

1649
01:44:28,200 --> 01:44:31,320
Speaker 1: stuff like that. And I believe that this one, like well,

1650
01:44:31,479 --> 01:44:33,240
Speaker 1: like we had a lot of those events. But I

1651
01:44:33,280 --> 01:44:35,519
Speaker 1: also believe that like due to the nature of what's

1652
01:44:35,560 --> 01:44:39,120
Speaker 1: going on UM, that it's much more urgent than people,

1653
01:44:40,160 --> 01:44:44,639
Speaker 1: uh come and creator bring their own ideas being known

1654
01:44:44,680 --> 01:44:48,599
Speaker 1: in science, their own desires, and yeah, we get action.

1655
01:44:48,720 --> 01:44:51,639
Speaker 1: It's odd, it's gonna be d it's gonna be crazy,

1656
01:44:52,320 --> 01:44:54,160
Speaker 1: it's gonna be add the things. I think there's gonna

1657
01:44:54,200 --> 01:44:57,280
Speaker 1: be a family family were lack hug and trees kind

1658
01:44:57,280 --> 01:44:58,880
Speaker 1: of ship, and I'm excited for that. And I think

1659
01:44:58,920 --> 01:45:01,160
Speaker 1: there's gonna be something like the funk is going on

1660
01:45:02,200 --> 01:45:04,680
Speaker 1: in the woods kind of shore is a bunch of

1661
01:45:04,680 --> 01:45:07,160
Speaker 1: cops kind of ship. Obviously, we don't know what's really

1662
01:45:07,160 --> 01:45:10,200
Speaker 1: going to happen. But anyone that has been reading stuff

1663
01:45:10,320 --> 01:45:11,720
Speaker 1: like oh man, I want to go throw down with

1664
01:45:11,760 --> 01:45:14,240
Speaker 1: the crazies, you should come and do that. And we

1665
01:45:14,320 --> 01:45:18,280
Speaker 1: have some stuff to share and hopefully there'll be so

1666
01:45:18,320 --> 01:45:19,960
Speaker 1: many people here that don't know how to deal with it.

1667
01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:23,559
Speaker 1: The problem going here is the Atlanta Police Force. Um,

1668
01:45:24,000 --> 01:45:26,040
Speaker 1: they there is a lot of them, but honestly they're

1669
01:45:26,080 --> 01:45:30,439
Speaker 1: also they're stressed out and they are run um what's

1670
01:45:30,439 --> 01:45:35,559
Speaker 1: it can run dry? Respect then they really they don't

1671
01:45:35,560 --> 01:45:37,840
Speaker 1: know how to deal with all this wood ship from

1672
01:45:37,840 --> 01:45:40,200
Speaker 1: ship that we've heard them talking about. They don't know

1673
01:45:40,200 --> 01:45:43,080
Speaker 1: what to do. They're not totally prepared. I think it's

1674
01:45:43,120 --> 01:45:45,680
Speaker 1: gonna be a really fun and crazy ship show and

1675
01:45:45,800 --> 01:45:48,240
Speaker 1: we want you all the Condor Chip show in a

1676
01:45:48,280 --> 01:45:50,400
Speaker 1: good way. And now they're like, oh, you shouldn't use

1677
01:45:50,400 --> 01:45:52,960
Speaker 1: those words, but in reality, nobody actually knows what's going

1678
01:45:53,000 --> 01:45:55,920
Speaker 1: to happen. We know what we're gonna do. We have

1679
01:45:56,080 --> 01:45:58,720
Speaker 1: plans that people can plug into, some stuff you can

1680
01:45:58,720 --> 01:46:01,080
Speaker 1: bring your kids to, and some stuf of you should

1681
01:46:01,080 --> 01:46:03,120
Speaker 1: not bring kids to, and there will be more. To

1682
01:46:03,200 --> 01:46:04,760
Speaker 1: be honest with, you really got to just be there

1683
01:46:04,760 --> 01:46:06,720
Speaker 1: in person, because there's something you can't put everything on

1684
01:46:06,720 --> 01:46:10,200
Speaker 1: Instagram and doing our best to communicate to folks what's

1685
01:46:10,200 --> 01:46:13,200
Speaker 1: going on down here, but there's just some things you

1686
01:46:13,360 --> 01:46:19,759
Speaker 1: gotta come two. Whatever the Week of Action, it's always

1687
01:46:19,760 --> 01:46:21,439
Speaker 1: a week of action, but this is like we're helping

1688
01:46:21,479 --> 01:46:24,360
Speaker 1: people get really turned up for this week of action

1689
01:46:24,400 --> 01:46:27,479
Speaker 1: and maybe we all just become a roving nomadic war

1690
01:46:27,560 --> 01:46:30,840
Speaker 1: machine together. That would be the dream. So you have

1691
01:46:30,920 --> 01:46:34,680
Speaker 1: a thing in your hometown, is going on in your territory,

1692
01:46:34,880 --> 01:46:38,000
Speaker 1: and we nomadic war machine over to your spot and

1693
01:46:38,120 --> 01:46:42,680
Speaker 1: we just keep doing that. A few resources that some

1694
01:46:42,840 --> 01:46:46,679
Speaker 1: of the force defenders wanted people to know about is first, obviously,

1695
01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:49,840
Speaker 1: Defend the Atlanta Forest dot com, which has the Week

1696
01:46:49,880 --> 01:46:53,240
Speaker 1: of Action calendar. To keep up on news regarding the movement.

1697
01:46:53,280 --> 01:46:56,479
Speaker 1: You can follow them on Twitter and Instagram at Defend

1698
01:46:56,520 --> 01:47:00,639
Speaker 1: the Atlanta Forest or Defend a t L Forest. There

1699
01:47:00,720 --> 01:47:04,880
Speaker 1: is the Forest Justice Defense Fund at Open Collective dot

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Speaker 1: com slash Forest Hyphen Justice Hyphened Defense hyphen Fund, where

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Speaker 1: people can donate to support the work of the Broad

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Speaker 1: Coalition dedicated to saving the forest. There's of course stop

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Speaker 1: Reeves Young dot com, which has information on subcontractors and

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01:47:21,720 --> 01:47:25,600
Speaker 1: third party service providers relating to the cops city construction.

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Speaker 1: Very useful even just for simple calling campaigns. The website

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Speaker 1: scenes dot no blogs dot org hosts other news relating

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Speaker 1: to the movement, anonymous community, case and stuff like maps

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01:47:37,800 --> 01:47:42,640
Speaker 1: of the area and random other useful information resources for

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Speaker 1: info and guides relating to direct action. There's a website

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Speaker 1: titled Warrior Up dot no blogs dot org and people

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Speaker 1: can go there or to a warrior up dot no

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Speaker 1: blogs dot org slash guides for various interesting information. I'll say, um,

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Speaker 1: and that last one is really best viewed on tour

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Speaker 1: with via the tour browser just as a heads up.

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Speaker 1: Also probably with like a VPN. And I don't know anyway,

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Speaker 1: be careful with that last one. But all of these,

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Speaker 1: all of these sites will be linked in the show notes.

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Speaker 1: The future lies in your hands. You have more freedom

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Speaker 1: than you know if you can find the unconventional ways

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Speaker 1: of expressing it. See you on the other side. And

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Speaker 1: I'll end with a word from our forced defender friend.

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Speaker 1: There's yeah, hopefully we're gonna stop the police training facility.

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Speaker 1: I think we really are looking forward to people, hopefully

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Speaker 1: some people sticking around for the Week of Action because

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Speaker 1: we're hoping that it doesn't die down too much to

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Speaker 1: the point where smaller and to achieve them that was

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Speaker 1: here for a reko action gets attacked and stay away

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Speaker 1: exactly that if they can get happen here. I wasn't

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Speaker 1: thinking about that. This funny enough it its It could

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Speaker 1: happen where you live, and maybe we can just keep

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01:49:08,479 --> 01:49:10,759
Speaker 1: the idea. As we share enough skills, we make ourselves.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely no one should be integral enough to the movement

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01:49:13,200 --> 01:49:16,040
Speaker 1: that you can't go off or leave and it can't continue.

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01:49:16,560 --> 01:49:21,160
Speaker 1: People should be reading manual, sharing skills, telling stories, having

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Speaker 1: at the moons. We're doing all this stuff to make

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Speaker 1: each other just a weird of the different things that

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Speaker 1: are possible for us to run because maybe we don't

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Speaker 1: have all the you know, the guns and the steel

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Speaker 1: and the gold. But if we have enough people like

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01:49:37,400 --> 01:49:39,840
Speaker 1: being creative and doing some grilla ship, we can get

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01:49:39,840 --> 01:49:42,880
Speaker 1: a lot done. And at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: if you can do you have to be careful about

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Speaker 1: how many hats to ring. If you don't know about

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01:49:47,600 --> 01:49:49,639
Speaker 1: the r n c AD, that's a long time ago.

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Speaker 1: Now look that up. They were wearing. They are really

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Speaker 1: great community organizers, but they were wearing too many hats.

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Speaker 1: It was the first time that Patriot Act kind of

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01:49:58,280 --> 01:50:01,000
Speaker 1: new laws after not eleven was you lie down people,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of it didn't stick. But if you

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01:50:04,680 --> 01:50:07,799
Speaker 1: what we really need is more faceless saboteuries because honestly,

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Speaker 1: I'm saying that's what we need. We need people to

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Speaker 1: be there's just in reality, there's not enough people willing

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Speaker 1: to do nightwork. It looks like there's an uptick in

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01:50:17,479 --> 01:50:22,320
Speaker 1: the behavior, which is great, but be safe, be smart,

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Speaker 1: act to interact with a little and that's that's what

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01:50:27,280 --> 01:50:28,720
Speaker 1: we need more than any saying. There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: people that um are willing to do above ground stuff.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of people that want to be known,

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Speaker 1: and that's great, but we have enough for that. We

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Speaker 1: need something else. It Could Happen Here is a production

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Speaker 1: visit our website cool zone media dot com, or check

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Speaker 1: for It Could Happen Here, updated monthly at cool zone

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