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Speaker 1: Dude, doo doo doo. I just told Josh's trumpet bit

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Speaker 1: announced that we are continuing our twenty twenty three tour

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Speaker 1: this spring by going to DC, the Boston area and Toronto,

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Speaker 1: and you can get tickets at Link Tree Slash sy

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Speaker 1: sk Live for all three shows. We'll see you guys soon.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. Hey,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh and there's Chuck

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Speaker 1: and Jerry's here too, and that makes this Stuff you

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Speaker 1: should Know part of our continuing sad Kentucky tragic history

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Speaker 1: era that we seem to be in right now. Are

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Speaker 1: we going to point out where this is fifteen times? No,

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Speaker 1: this is this is in the Kentucky that you'd expect

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Speaker 1: it to be in. Okay, we had some funny Instagram

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Speaker 1: comments on that. I know what you're talking about about.

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Speaker 1: Half the people when the supper club fire thing went

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Speaker 1: to Instagram said where was this again? Jodsh No, I know,

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Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. Okay, I'm just kidding. I'm aware of

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Speaker 1: what goes on on Instagram. Who knows, I don't know

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Speaker 1: you're one of those lurkers. Yeah, totally, I totally am

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Speaker 1: so m speaking of lurking, Chuck Es, if you go

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Speaker 1: to Barron County, Kentucky, okay, one of the things that

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Speaker 1: you might do is a pastime is lurk in a cave. Hey,

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Speaker 1: look at that transition. It was okay. But the reason

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Speaker 1: why you might do that is because Barron County and

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Speaker 1: neighboring I think Edmonton or Edmondson County our home to

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Speaker 1: the largest cave system in the world, Mammoth Caves. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we talked about Mammoth and I guess it had to

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Speaker 1: be our caving episode. Certainly, there's no way you can.

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Speaker 1: I mean again, it's enormous, Like, as far as we know,

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Speaker 1: I think something like four hundred miles have been mapped. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I was reading we have a lot. We have

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Speaker 1: he was the only one brave enough to crawl over

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Speaker 1: the bottomless pit and keep exploring. So that definitely extended it.

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Speaker 1: But they think also that there's another six hundred miles.

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Speaker 1: By the way, his name is Stephen Bishop. Sorry I

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Speaker 1: meant to say, but they think there's another six hundred

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Speaker 1: cave system. Yeah, potentially a thousand miles of gave system stuff. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Now I have a desire to go in almost none

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Speaker 1: to say, like Ruby Falls is definitely worth the visit

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Speaker 1: it once and it was really cool. I would go back,

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Speaker 1: all I really wanted to know. Yes, I was looking

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Speaker 1: for a new hobby. The thing is, though, is if

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Speaker 1: but you're, you know, into touring caves, you know that

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Speaker 1: you can stand up in and there's walkways in every

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Speaker 1: short Mammoth cave is an absolute must. It's just like

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Speaker 1: Geological Wonder. After Geological Wonder, it's pretty neat. Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: the bottom of it, that's right, and a moving side one.

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Speaker 1: It is a National park now since nineteen I think

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Speaker 1: forty one Mammoth is and it was a big like

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Speaker 1: dating back to the Civil War, and as a result,

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Speaker 1: of the great cavers of the region. There were a

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Speaker 1: lot of great cavers, but one was a gentleman named

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Speaker 1: a bit like Crispin Glover and sort of the same

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Speaker 1: and they were really close to the Mammoth Caves about

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Speaker 1: And so Floyd Collins is being I haven't seen it

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Speaker 1: and we didn't mention it was called sand cave. And

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Speaker 1: so there you go. There's there's a couple of things

428
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 1: that we've just hit upon. I think bear pointing out

429
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,239
Speaker 1: one is that people are taking blankets down and then

430
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 1: not actually doing it, so we don't actually have any

431
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,679
Speaker 1: like professional rescuers right now. And then secondly, like his

432
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 1: brother is the first person who's willing to get down

433
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 1: there and give him some food. And if you take

434
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 1: a step back, you realize, like this is a it's

435
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 1: a big problem for Floyd Collins. But at this point,

436
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 1: and for a really shockingly long time, it was basically

437
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 1: a local problem. The people who were in charge of

438
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 1: rescuing Floyd were the same people who were um his

439
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 1: competitors in the cave tourism business. It was just locals

440
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what to do. Yeah, and didn't

441
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: the I'm sorry, the son of one of the former

442
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 1: partners who was a good trusted friend he got involved

443
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:26,360
Speaker 1: as well, right, Juel Estes was the son, not Jules

444
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 1: the Burnette. I didn't see him. Yeah, Johnny Burnette put

445
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,199
Speaker 1: heat factored in pretty heavily as far as because he

446
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,959
Speaker 1: was a trusted person to Floyd. So Floyd told him like,

447
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 1: you're the only person I like trust to get me

448
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 1: out of here. Oh okay, wow, so so um yeah.

449
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 1: So so there were people who were like really trying

450
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,679
Speaker 1: to do this. They had the best intentions, they just

451
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily know what to do. And the upshot of

452
00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: it is there was a distinct lack of expertise. He's

453
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 1: in that kind of thing for a very long time,

454
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 1: for the first several days of Floyd's encounter, Right, and

455
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 1: I guess we should introduce Skeets Huh. Yes, Now this

456
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,719
Speaker 1: is the first time somebody comes outside with no expertise

457
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: but has the guts to be like, this man needs

458
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 1: to get out of there, and I'm gonna do what

459
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 1: I can. Right, Yeah, this is Skeets Miller. This is

460
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,360
Speaker 1: three days into this debacle. He was a young kid.

461
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,439
Speaker 1: He was well, he was twenty young to me, that

462
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,719
Speaker 1: was like sixty back then, I guess probably so. He

463
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: was a reporter came down to Cave City on assignment

464
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 1: from the Louisville Courier Journal to cover this story. He

465
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 1: was a little guy. The joke was that he'd looked

466
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,400
Speaker 1: like a mosquito. He was five five, weighed barely over

467
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 1: one hundred and ten pounds. So he was a little guy,

468
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: like you said, that had a lot of guts and also,

469
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: which is key, small enough to get into some of

470
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 1: these places that some of the larger dudes could not

471
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 1: get into. But he was a reporter and he was

472
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 1: going after the story, at least as at first. So

473
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: when he first went down there, he was going down

474
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,959
Speaker 1: there to interview Floyd. And the reason why he decided

475
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: to do that was because he had tried to interview Homer,

476
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: who said something like, if you want information, there's the

477
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 1: hole right over there. You can go down and find

478
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 1: out for yourself. And so Skeet said, I'll take that

479
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 1: as permission, and he went down and interviewed Floyd Collins himself,

480
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 1: and in very short order, over the course of the

481
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: time Floyd was in this hole or in this cave,

482
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 1: Skeet just kept writing more and more stories, interviewing him

483
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: multiple times, and ended up winning a Pulitzer for his reporting.

484
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: He became as much a star as Floyd Collins did

485
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 1: in this saga because of his writing and because he

486
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: was basically doing gonzo journalism with a trapped man in

487
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: a cave. Yeah, and he also was the one saying

488
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: like he's in bad shape down there, right, Like these

489
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,120
Speaker 1: reports of him being in good spirits aren't super accurate

490
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 1: because he's he looks like a guy that's been trapped

491
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 1: in a cave for three days. Right, That's what I

492
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: wanted to say. Like he started out going after the story,

493
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: but once he encountered Floyd in real life, he became

494
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 1: an actual rescuer as well. Yeah, he wanted to get

495
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 1: him out of there. He did things like developed a

496
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,719
Speaker 1: bucket brigade system to get stuff out of there. He

497
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: brought a light down, well, he lit a lot of

498
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 1: the cave just so they could see better, but he

499
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: brought a light down to Floyd to keep him warm,

500
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,360
Speaker 1: like a lightbulb, like legit electricity, to help keep him

501
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: on a little bit. Because remember it's freezing cold down there. Man,

502
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: I can't imagine sixteen degrees. Yeah, and this it was

503
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: over now a couple of weeks, like seventeen days. Little

504
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 1: Skeets Miller is getting down in that cave and trying

505
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: to rescue along with Homer and along with some other people,

506
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: like really dedicated to getting him out of there. Right.

507
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 1: So the thing is is Skeets writing these dispatches for

508
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: the Louisville Courier Journal, and it's starting to get picked

509
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: up by the Associated Press and the Associated presses sending

510
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: these out to newspapers all over the country, and all

511
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Floyd Collins went from, as Dave puts it,

512
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: like this poor schmuck who was like trapped in a

513
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 1: cave to a national interests or human interest story that

514
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: just gripped the nation. And one of the reasons why

515
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: it was able to grip the nation was not just

516
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: because of the ap picking up skeets writing, but also

517
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: because radio was becoming a thing at the time. Not

518
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: everybody had a radio this early on, but enough people

519
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: did that there were like radio broadcasts done from the

520
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: cave site that were reaching people's homes all over the country.

521
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: So between the newspapers and the radio, it was just

522
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: the whole nation was enthralled with Floyd collins plight. Yeah,

523
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: it became it became a not only a media sensation,

524
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: but a local sort of carnival atmosphere. Like there were

525
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: thousands of people there that came to through the town

526
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: at least to see what was going on. I think

527
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: there were at least two thousand people at the cave site.

528
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: There's this website, this guy that had pictures of, you know,

529
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: of the scene at the cave entrance of the grounds

530
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: of the people in the cars, of people selling hot

531
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: dogs and hamburgers and balloons that said sand cave. And

532
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: it's it's crazy to see these black, old, black and

533
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: white photos of just how like, um, how crowded it

534
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: got in rural Kentucky by this cave entrance. Yeah, by

535
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: by all estimates, tens of thousands of people ended up

536
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: showing up over the course of this these couple weeks

537
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: that Floyd Collins ended up being stuck in the in

538
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: the ground. I saw ten thousand, I saw sixty thousand.

539
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: There was just a ton of people, and they came

540
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: from all over at a time when it wasn't that

541
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: easy to travel, but they were coming from out of state.

542
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: And I say, Chuck, we take a little break and

543
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: come back to this carn well that's growing up around

544
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: Floyd's hapless situation. Let's do it all right. So Floyd

545
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: is still trapped, They're getting some food down to him.

546
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: He is not doing well. There's a carnival atmosphere, like

547
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: we mentioned, kind of all over the place. And eventually

548
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: they did make a little bit of progress in the

549
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: with his buge bucket brigade, and that they cleared out

550
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: enough for him to be able to to move a

551
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: little bit for the first time. It cleared his arms,

552
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: it cleared his legs because stuff had collapsed beyond just

553
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: that either twenty six pound or seven ton boulder that

554
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: was on his foot. So he was, you know, fully

555
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: trapped for a long time, and then finally he was

556
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: able to move around a little bit. They he said

557
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: that he was freed at one point like that his

558
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: foot was even I guess he was delirious or miscommunicating,

559
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: because that foot was definitely not free. And the last

560
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: guy to bring him food was a minor named Maddox,

561
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: who brought him food that he ate. And he was

562
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: Floyd's delirious at this point and said, Maddox, get me out.

563
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: Why don't you take me out? Kiss me goodbye. I'm

564
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: going And apparently Maddox kissed him goodbye, which was a

565
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: very empathetic, sweet thing to do. And you know, heat

566
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: from all this work had thawed this frozen mud that

567
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: basically was acting like a mortar, and he just he

568
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: got more entangled and trapped than he was before. And

569
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: Maddox came out saying like he's dying, like very very soon.

570
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: Imagine being Maddox waking up in the middle of the

571
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: night for the next fifty years to Floyd Collins's voice saying, Maddox,

572
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: why don't you get me out? Yeah, that's awful, man,

573
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: especially to somebody that empathetic too, you know, sure so

574
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:19,719
Speaker 1: right so, um as as after Maddox makes it out,

575
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: I don't believe anybody was any anywhere near the inside

576
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: of Saint Cave with Floyd at the time. But the

577
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: cave finally just collapsed in the way to get to

578
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: Floyd was now cut off hopelessly, and they had no

579
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: idea what had happened to Floyd. Was he covered up

580
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: in the cave in was it just cutting off their

581
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: their you know, their passage between them and him. They

582
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: just didn't know. And now finally, this is about day

583
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: five of poor Floyd Collins, already being a national American

584
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: media sensation. Um, finally, the governor of Kentucky's like, maybe

585
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: we should do something. And now the experts start to

586
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: show up. But they show up like just hopelessly too late.

587
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: Despite that, despite him being in there for five days

588
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: and him being totally cut off now with no access

589
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: to food or water or anything, they decided that they

590
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: were still going to do everything they could to get

591
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: him out, and the idea that was put forth that

592
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: everybody agreed on was to construct a shaft directly down

593
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: to him, I think, to his feet, and to get

594
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: him out that way, to get the bowlder off of

595
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: his foot, and to pull him back through the crack

596
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: one way or another. But the problem was chucked. This

597
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: was solid limestone and they couldn't use dynamite, right, Yeah,

598
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: they couldn't use dynamite. Dave said they couldn't use heavy

599
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: machinery at all. But I saw something that said that

600
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: they brought in to steam shovels, like ten thousand dollars

601
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: steam shovels. And at one point someone said, I think,

602
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: in a not too happy way, it's going to cost

603
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars to dig out a dead body,

604
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: because I think the writing was on the wall at

605
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,719
Speaker 1: that point. But at any rate, they did dig. A

606
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 1: team of seventy five experts this time, built a five

607
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: story shaft into the ground. And you know, these guys

608
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: weren't in great shape either doing this hard work, right,

609
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,280
Speaker 1: But they eventually get down there and what they find

610
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: is a dead Voyd Collins. Yeah, sadly, this was I

611
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 1: think day fifteen, maybe when they finally reached him. I

612
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: think eighteen days later is what it says, okay, And

613
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: he had gotten caved in on day four or five.

614
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: So there was a lot of people out there who

615
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: were like, yes, he's he's already dead, but we should

616
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,760
Speaker 1: get him anyway, and some people were like, there's a chance,

617
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 1: you know, but there there wasn't. Just there weren't high

618
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: hopes for reaching him, and those hopes were not fulfilled anyway.

619
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: When they found him the corner I believe said that

620
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: he had he had died just three days before they

621
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: reached him, but that esteemed doctor that the heiress to

622
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: the International Harvester Fortune sent calculated more like five based

623
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 1: on the condition of Floyd's body. Yeah, but they had

624
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: the same problem that they had before, even in death.

625
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: They couldn't get that boulder off of his leg, and

626
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: they apparently it was enough of a problem to get

627
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 1: him out that they all agreed that they should basically

628
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 1: leave him down there, that this shaft or this this

629
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,720
Speaker 1: crevice that he was stuck in was now his grave.

630
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: We bury people in the ground anyway. This was the

631
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: ground burying him prematurely. Essentially, is I guess what the

632
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: Kentucky reasoning was so um they everybody basically left. The

633
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: media circus was over, the news reports kind of moved

634
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: on to some other stuff, and the world just kind

635
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: of they didn't forget about Floyd Collins, but they had

636
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: other things that suddenly grabbed their immediate interest. Yeah, and

637
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: you know, as a sort of a sidebar, before they

638
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: found his dead body, there were rumors that started to

639
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 1: circulate because again people were printing things that weren't quite accurate,

640
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: and rumors started to circulate that that why am I

641
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: saying circulate? Weird? That's so weird? Circulate I'll saying circulate.

642
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: I like it. That's a new way to say it.

643
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: I think you're just evolving the English language. Anyway, the

644
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: rumors were that this was all a stunt to get

645
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: people there to go to his cave. That Floyd was

646
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: not trapped at all was sort of the main rumor,

647
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: and that he was orchestrating a hoax to drive people

648
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: there to pay money to go into the caves. There

649
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,720
Speaker 1: were other rumors that abounded that maybe people blocked access

650
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: to the tunnel to delay the rescue, to kill him

651
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: so that they could get that real estate for the

652
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: cave because these cave wars were still going on, and

653
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 1: this all culmanated and eventually a a court, a military

654
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: tribunal even convene to see if this was in fact

655
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 1: a hoax. And I think this is all going on

656
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: before they finished the rescue. Yeah, I think this was

657
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:15,240
Speaker 1: happening while they were digging that limestone shaft by hand,

658
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: essentially so, and they had plenty of time to do

659
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: it and no new news. Right, there was nobody talking

660
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: to Floyd anymore. So the newspapers were just printing whatever

661
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: they could get their hands on that had anything to

662
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 1: do with it, whether it was factual or not, which

663
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: has made our efforts that much harder. Thank you, old

664
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: timing newspapers. Right. Yeah, So B Doyle, who was the

665
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: guy that he went into business with, put up a

666
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,240
Speaker 1: roadside sign that said, you know, two hundred yards away

667
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: is the body of Floyd Collins, imprisoned in Sand Cave.

668
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: And he would charge people fifty cents just to go

669
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: down and stand at the mouth of the cave above

670
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: the tomb. And I guess either pay their respects or

671
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: just gaulk or whatever draw a picture of it. Whatever

672
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: you did back then, as a tourist, right, Homer, And

673
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: this was admirable and sad. He hit the road on

674
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: the vaudeville stage to tell this story. And before like,

675
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: when I first saw that, I was like, it didn't

676
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: sound like a Homer Collins move right, seems like that's

677
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: not the Homer I know. Yeah, he seems like a

678
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: stand up either fourteen or twenty two year old. And

679
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: he was doing it to raise money to get him

680
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: out of there. He was like, I don't think that

681
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: should be his final resting place, so I'm gonna do

682
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 1: whatever I can to make enough money to fund a dig. Yeah.

683
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: The way I thought was that he had vowed to

684
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: Floyd that he would get him out of there, and

685
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: even though Floyd died, that didn't that didn't release him

686
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 1: from that vow in his mind. So that is pretty neat,

687
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,240
Speaker 1: you know, especially because I think that the public idea,

688
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: or the later idea of him was that he had

689
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 1: been doing it for just money and fame or whatever.

690
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: But it worked, right, it did work. A couple months later,

691
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: he was able to pay for his brother to be

692
00:38:55,280 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: removed from that crevice, and so, as people do, they

693
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: put Floyd back in the ground. But at this time,

694
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: they put Floyd back in the ground in a much

695
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: more appropriate place, the family cemetery, and they actually used

696
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 1: to stalag tight or Mike, I can't remember as a

697
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: headstone form, which is super neat and appropriate for a

698
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: Floyd Collins headstone. I couldn't figure that out because I

699
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: saw the headstone. Did they just crush it and make

700
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: it into a headstone? I don't think that's the original

701
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: headstone that you saw. If it was, if it was

702
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: a color photo, I think that was the one that

703
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: came later, Okay, But how would they make a headstone

704
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 1: out of a stalactite anyway? Hey, those Kentucky people are industrious.

705
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: They can do anything they put their minds to, except

706
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: for get Floyd Collins out of the ground. Oh boy.

707
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: So tourists kind of stopped coming around because a lot

708
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: of the reason was because of this story. They were

709
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,959
Speaker 1: like this champion caver or died down there, Like, maybe

710
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,760
Speaker 1: we shouldn't spend our spring break caving in Kentucky anymore.

711
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: And so they sold the Great His family sold the

712
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: Great Crystal Cave, that initial cave that was gorgeous to

713
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:08,760
Speaker 1: a dentist named Harry Thomas, who said throwing an extra

714
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: ten grand and that's a that's a lot of money

715
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,720
Speaker 1: back then, Yeah, especially if like you, Yeah, your ticket

716
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: booth is bigger than your house. Yeah, so just keep

717
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: that in mind before you prejudge the family for what

718
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: they agreed to. He said, for an extra ten grand,

719
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: if you'll let me exume his body and put it

720
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: on display in a glass coffin in that cave in

721
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: a you know, respectful way, then we got a deal.

722
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: And they needed the money and they said yes. Yeah.

723
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: So for more than sixty years Floyd Collins was in

724
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: a glass coffin in the Great Crystal Cave. Beneath I

725
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: believe that salagtite or slagmite headstone with the engraving greatest

726
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: cave explorer ever known. And for the first at least

727
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: fifteen year. I think if you're a tourist and you

728
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: went to the Mammoth Caves, you probably made an extra

729
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: trip to the Great Crystal Cave to go see Floyd

730
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: collins super embalmed corpse through the glass window in his

731
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 1: in his um casket right just playing there in the

732
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: in the I think a chamber of the Great Crystal

733
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: Cave and actually slight in show correction. The body did

734
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: not stay there for that long uninterrupted. Okay. In March

735
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,720
Speaker 1: of nineteen twenty nine, his body was stolen by grave robbers.

736
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: Apparently their intent was to toss it in the East River,

737
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: or I'm sorry, the Green River. They're gonna drive to

738
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: New York, toss it in the East River. Yeah, they're

739
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: gonna hit Cramer swimming. But it got caught in some

740
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 1: underbrush and they couldn't get the body out. Doctor Thomas

741
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: recovered the body in a field. Sal's leg so the

742
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: leg that was trapped was no longer there and I

743
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: don't think anyone knows where that leg ended up. But

744
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: then he doctor Thomas reinterred it, this time in a

745
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: chain locked up casket back in the cave. Yeah, and

746
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: that's where he stayed for decades. The thing is, the

747
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: National Park Service came in and bought the place in

748
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty one. So yeah, for about thirty years you

749
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: could go visit Floyd Collins body in the Great Crystal Cave.

750
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: But once the MPs took over, they honored the family's

751
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: wishes not by removing him from the cave, but by

752
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: closing off public access to the cave. So for all

753
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: intentsive purposes. He was no longer something for tourists to

754
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: gawk at, even though he was still down in this cave,

755
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: and the family didn't want him in there anymore. So

756
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 1: it wasn't until nineteen eighty nine that I believe a

757
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: court ordered his body to be removed and finally interred

758
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: once again in the ground top side, and that's where

759
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: he remains today. And I believe, Chuck that they put

760
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: him in the ground on March twenty fourth, nineteen eighty nine,

761
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: which is right around the anniversary of that internment, when

762
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: this episode's coming out, I think, and right after my

763
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: eighteenth birthday senior year of high school. Awesome, man, I'm

764
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: surprised I didn't hear the news. Oh yeah, your birthday

765
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: is coming up, isn't it IDEs of March it is.

766
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: I'll never forget Chuck. So that's the story they ended up.

767
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: Billy Wilder, famous film director and writer. I made a

768
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: film called Ace in the Whole that basically was an

769
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: indictment on the media surrounding this event, starring a youngish

770
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 1: Kirk Douglas as the as not skeeter as as a

771
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: bad newspaper reporter. Two things have you ever seen Witness

772
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: for the Prosecution, written by Billy Wilder. I think I have,

773
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: but it's been a long time. I just saw it

774
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: for the first time the other day. It's one of

775
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 1: the best movies I've ever seen. He's I mean, he's

776
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: one of the best. You ever seen The Apartment, I haven't.

777
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: I have seen Sunset Bolivard plenty of times. It's a

778
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 1: great movie. To the Apartment's amazing. And that was Scott

779
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,959
Speaker 1: Ackerman's movie Crush Pick Oh, okay. And then the second thing, Chuck,

780
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: is that there was actually a musical that was made.

781
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: I think it first was put on in nineteen ninety six.

782
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 1: It's called Floyd Collins. I'm surprised to see that. I

783
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: have an impression it was in the same vein as

784
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 1: that musical that the um how the South Park creators

785
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: came up with about the cannibal in Colorado. Oh, the

786
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: Book of Mormon, No, this was a different one. It

787
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: was before Book of Mormon. I thought this was like

788
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: a respectful thing. I didn't know it was a communic

789
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: it was. It was, That's what I was gonna say.

790
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: It was much more respectful, but it was. There was

791
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: a lot of I think the basis of it was

792
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: a comedy musical. Oh interesting, what's funny about this? I

793
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: don't know. But the cool thing is is the guy

794
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 1: who wrote them, the words and lyrics, I think the

795
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: whole thing basically he got an hour in the cave.

796
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: It was. It was opened up for him specially, and

797
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 1: he did a lot of research and actually an analysis

798
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 1: of the play by Scott Miller informed some of this episode.

799
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: It was one of the sources we used. He did

800
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: that much research on it. I think they were the

801
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: ones that said his brother was fourteen. So I take

802
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: a show. Really, you know, I'm conflicted. Who knows? I mean?

803
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 1: But back then the difference between fourteen and twenty two is, well,

804
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: it's half your life. Actually, I guess you got anything else?

805
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: I got nothing else? R I p Floyd Collins. We're

806
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,479
Speaker 1: sorry that that happened to you, Floyd. And since Chuck

807
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: says he's got nothing else, it means his time for

808
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: listener mail. I'm gonna call this great naming convention. Hey guys,

809
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: a longtime listener to the show. I'm finishing my masters

810
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: in a couple of months, and I want to say

811
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: thank you for keeping me entertained. Through a move to

812
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: a new state, long hours of tedious work in my

813
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: community campus. Every day. I had to stop listening in

814
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: the library because I laughed out loud every episode. I

815
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: really enjoyed your nap episode. My brother has been an

816
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: advocate for coffee naps for years and coined a term

817
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: that I think is pretty great. Did you see this?

818
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: You're ready for this? No, I haven't seen that one yet.

819
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: I'm not ready. No, the nappaccino, Oh that is good?

820
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: How great is that? Not a napper myself, but I

821
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:27,240
Speaker 1: think everyone should use this term. That is from Madison Madison.

822
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: Whoever your brother is, need to name your brother, but

823
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,399
Speaker 1: just tell him that that's pretty great. A pretty great

824
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 1: title it is. It definitely beats the two I was

825
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: working on, the flat nap yeah or the napata. Neither

826
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: one of those is nearly as good as nappuccino. I'll

827
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: tell you that the No. Number one. You know, what

828
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: would happened? What would happen, Chuck? If Alpaccino took a nappuccino,

829
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 1: you would say that was a great nap. Okay, If

830
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: you want to get in touch with us like who

831
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: Madison Madison did with some great information about your sibling.

832
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: We want to hear it. You can email to us

833
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:17,160
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834
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,320
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