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Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to Too Much Information, the show

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Speaker 1: that gives you the secret histories and little known facts

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Speaker 1: behind your favorite movies, music, TV shows and more. We

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Speaker 1: are your vendors of vital information for your everyday life.

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Speaker 1: My name is Jordan run Tug and I'm Alex Cycle

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Speaker 1: and we are fresh out the box. Stop look and watch.

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Speaker 1: Ready yet, get set, because today we're talking about all that. Yes,

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Speaker 1: children of the nineties retreated to their very own snl

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Speaker 1: a sketch comedy show for us and by us anchoring

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Speaker 1: Nickelodeon's premium block of Saturday night television, much like Saturday

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Speaker 1: Lives Original not ready for prime time players, the o

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Speaker 1: G cast of all that have been enshrined in legend,

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Speaker 1: at least for a certain subsection of millennials. Lauria Bett, Denberg,

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Speaker 1: Josh Server, Katrina Johnson, An, Jelique Bates, A, Lisa Reys,

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Speaker 1: Keenan and Kel plus latecomers like Amanda Binds and Danny

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Speaker 1: Timbarelli all brought us unforgettable characters ere Boy, Super Dude,

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Speaker 1: Repair a Man, That Man, The Island Girls, The Grumpy

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Speaker 1: awesomely fractured take on Ross Perrot. And let's not forget

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Speaker 1: line that popped up in almost every episode when you

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Speaker 1: least expected it. Sure, ish Bou the foreign exchange student

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Speaker 1: didn't exactly age particularly well, but I couldn't make it

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Speaker 1: through my high school French class without thinking of Pierre's cargo.

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Speaker 1: And of course there's the loud librarian, Miss hush Bomb,

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Speaker 1: who perfectly embodied the hypocrisy of adults by screaming at

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Speaker 1: others to be quiet. And you know there was a

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Speaker 1: quiet subversion behind the kid friendly jokes on all that,

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Speaker 1: and also the diversity of the cast was nothing short

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Speaker 1: of radical at the time. So, Hi, I go, I

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Speaker 1: gotta ask, what was your relationship like with this show? Um?

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Speaker 1: I feel like I remember Naked Knight being like one

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Speaker 1: so I remember like trying to convince my parents to

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Speaker 1: watching Frasier, although I do you remember Are You Afraid

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Speaker 1: of the Dark a lot? Okay, whenever we got seventeen

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Speaker 1: thousand pages is to get through us all of WHI

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Speaker 1: should say. I don't remember very much about this show

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Speaker 1: other than repair Man Man Man Man, and that's it.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember any I just remember that echo thing

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Speaker 1: kel Keenan always prs cargo. Yeah, just in a bathlor

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Speaker 1: which is when my teacher would have me read for

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Speaker 1: I personally loved all that because, in addition to just

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Speaker 1: let's get into it. Yes, this is just an introduction

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Speaker 1: Here's everything you didn't know about all that. So before

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Speaker 1: its predecessor, in the realm of kids sketch shows. You

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Speaker 1: Can't Do That on Television originally had something way more

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Speaker 1: And directed Varsity Blues, The Perfect Score, Hardball with Giana Reeves.

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Speaker 1: the episodes, but also as they got prepared. They would

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Speaker 1: watch the cast through glass walls, not unlike a fish bowl,

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Speaker 1: and Josh Server recalls moments when they were getting their

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Speaker 1: makeup applied and there would just be a series of

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Speaker 1: Strange was walking boys staring at them and after all

429
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Speaker 1: that second season wrapped. The remainder of the series we

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Speaker 1: shot at Nickelodeon on Sunset in Hollywood, so I guess

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Speaker 1: they probably didn't have that problem there. But aside from

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Speaker 1: these little hiccups, it basically ruled. Angelique Bates had her

433
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Speaker 1: thirteenth birthday on the set and the producers brought out

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Speaker 1: Da Brat, her favorite rapper as a surprise, which I love.

435
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Speaker 1: In addition to the rappers and musical guests, will run

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Speaker 1: down more of those later. Uh, impressive roster. Celebrity guests

437
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Speaker 1: came through all that. Malcolm Jamal Warner from The Cosby Show,

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Speaker 1: Tyra Banks, Larrissa O, Lanik Sherman, Helmsley, John Luguiziamo, Kobe Bryant,

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Speaker 1: and Jermaine Duprie, who we don't talk about because I

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Speaker 1: once tried to book him for a filmed interview segment

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Speaker 1: on the H one and the bailed day of and

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Speaker 1: I had the pale whole camera crew. Anyway, we don't

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Speaker 1: talk about Jamaine dupris, okay, right, but your favorite is

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Speaker 1: Chris Farley, who you know, a childhood heart, a good

445
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Speaker 1: bridge but Tween, SNL and all that. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: besides Keenan, I think he was the only member of

447
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Speaker 1: SNL to actually appear on All That Like Kids, SNL

448
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Speaker 1: and Yeah. And he appeared on a special edition of

449
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Speaker 1: the Cooking with Randy sketch in which Keenan Thompson plays

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Speaker 1: a chef obsessed with chocolate, which every sketch end it

451
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Speaker 1: was some kind of explosion of chocolate all over the set. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And for this particular sketch, he faced off with Farley,

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Speaker 1: who was playing a chef with a similar fixation on

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Speaker 1: Catchup and people were not prepared for Hurricane Farley. According

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Speaker 1: to Josh Server, the bit was filmed in one take

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Speaker 1: thanks to Chris Farley. He said, quote he knew they

457
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Speaker 1: would make him do it over and over again, so

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Speaker 1: he went out there and literally trashed the stage. It

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Speaker 1: was the messiest thing I had ever seen, and he

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Speaker 1: made it impossible for the production team to reset for

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Speaker 1: another take. Yeah, these kids were champs. The first rule

462
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Speaker 1: of sketch comedy is never break. No matter what happens,

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Speaker 1: you just keep going, And this got tough for Josh Server.

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Speaker 1: Once during a scene where Danny tim Barelli was supposed

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Speaker 1: to smash a dinner plate onto his head. And normally

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Speaker 1: the prop people like score the bottom of the plate

467
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Speaker 1: so that it shadows instantly, but I guess it's time.

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Speaker 1: They didn't do it right, so the kid gets smashed

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Speaker 1: on the head with the plate for real, and apparently

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Speaker 1: the stage managers in the wings mouth thing like keep going,

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Speaker 1: keep going, and he did just incredible. Good lord, this

472
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Speaker 1: is not just child abuse. The Nickelodeon story is just

473
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Speaker 1: like it's the machinery of Nickelodeon is oiled with the

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Speaker 1: blood of children. We'll touch on that later. Yeah, as

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Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier, the kids were heavily involved in the

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Speaker 1: writing of this show, and like most sketch comedy, uh,

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Speaker 1: it was just shot at a pace that would make

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Speaker 1: your average racing greyhound blush. Um. The scripts would be

479
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Speaker 1: delivered to the kids the night before the read through.

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Speaker 1: They would come in the next day with voices personalities

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Speaker 1: that they've worked out, which these are children. Katrina Johnson

482
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Speaker 1: later said, doing sketch comedy is like doing ten sit

483
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Speaker 1: comes a day each week, because everything is set up

484
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Speaker 1: like its own TV show and camera and sound and

485
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 1: all this stuff, and you could just do it over

486
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: and over but in the early seasons of the show,

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00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: the writers and producers were a little more involved. They

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Speaker 1: helped the kids create their own characters. A Lisa Reyas

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Speaker 1: said they were times in creative meetings when the adults

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Speaker 1: in the room would ask the kids hey, do you

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Speaker 1: have any ideas? Or we have an idea for a character,

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Speaker 1: but how would you make it work. Amount of responsibility

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Speaker 1: they gave these kids it's pretty mind blowing. Yeah, hey,

494
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Speaker 1: you with the concussion after we broke a dinner, played

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00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 1: over your head. Finished writing this character for me? Uh.

496
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: Josh Server talks about coming up with how he thought

497
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Speaker 1: the character Detective Dan should be, and then the producers

498
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: helped him tweaked it. Uh. He later said, I truly

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Speaker 1: believe we had more creative control than any kids in television.

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Speaker 1: Maybe ever, they really gave us a lot more leeway

501
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: to improvise. He was the only original cast member to

502
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Speaker 1: stay through the first six seasons. Other than Detective Dan,

503
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: he played Jimmy Bond Agent one seven. Is that what

504
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Speaker 1: it is? I think that's medium funny and any kibbits,

505
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: But his most famous creation arguably ear Boy. He said

506
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Speaker 1: that character will live with me for the rest of

507
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Speaker 1: my life. It doesn't matter where I go or what

508
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Speaker 1: I do. When I win my oscar god willing, they're

509
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Speaker 1: going to show a climp of ear Boy. Sure, Josh,

510
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 1: unless you win it for playing here boy. That's not

511
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: really how that works. But the gritty earboy story, yeah,

512
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Speaker 1: ear boy begins. Uh. Kel Mitchell also felt that way

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Speaker 1: he would tell Complex the writers were awesome. They allowed

514
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Speaker 1: us to be creative and encourage improv and ad liming.

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Speaker 1: And it was in those such a moment that Kel

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Speaker 1: came up with the voice of Ed from Good Burger. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He told the l A Times that we've been playing

518
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Speaker 1: around with what he called the wild dude type voice

519
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: since he was eight years old watching professional wrestling. That's

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00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: bizarre to me, I like you, I thought that he

521
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: was doing a surfer voice. Uh. And this was his

522
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: interpretation of the voices that pro wrestlers would use. That

523
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Speaker 1: doesn't make any fight interviews where they're like, you know

524
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Speaker 1: the professional wrestler was he? I guess I'm thinking of

525
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: like macho man, Brandy Savage, like screaming about oh yeah,

526
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Speaker 1: and like okay, whatever, man, We're sure kel uh. He

527
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: first used the voice on the show while playing a

528
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Speaker 1: pizza delivery guy. The audience loved it, and so the

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Speaker 1: writers created a skit based around the voice, which became

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Speaker 1: Good Burger. And Kel was also responsible for the giving

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Speaker 1: the character the hairstyle. He told the A V. Club,

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Speaker 1: I remember I went to the hair room and I

533
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Speaker 1: saw these early Brandy nineties Millie Vanilly braids. I put

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Speaker 1: those on and it came to life. Another one of

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Speaker 1: his characters, Coach Creton, was based on a gym teacher

536
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Speaker 1: you had in high school who was mean about everything.

537
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: He told the story about a Valentine's Day when kids

538
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: were talking before class. Oh look, I got a car.

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Speaker 1: Shut up, there's no love play volleyball. That's rough man,

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Speaker 1: all of these sucking balls at them. Every single child

541
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Speaker 1: actor had a horrible childhood. Ye, And that leads us

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Speaker 1: into a sidebar about Dan Schneider. Um, well, let's start

543
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Speaker 1: with the slightly cute part, or at least the not

544
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Speaker 1: devastating part. First. The collaborative atmosphere on all that was

545
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Speaker 1: fostered by co creator and head writer Dan Schneider, who

546
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Speaker 1: was the frequent victim of pranks by Katrina Johnson, who

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Speaker 1: was the baby of the cast. She was not quite fourteen.

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Speaker 1: In the show debut, I guess there was an article

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Speaker 1: and TV guy that wants described her as a talented

550
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Speaker 1: seven year old boy, which made her quote in her words,

551
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: a piste off fourteen year old curl, and she was

552
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Speaker 1: sort of the hellion around the set. She's most famous

553
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Speaker 1: to me for playing Ross Peroul on the show, one

554
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Speaker 1: of the few instances of all that veering at the

555
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Speaker 1: topical territory, mostly because the man was a human cartoon.

556
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Speaker 1: But Katrina took great delight in sneaking onto sets of

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Speaker 1: other shows that were taping at Nickelodeon's studios, Walt dressed

558
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Speaker 1: and her Ross Perol outfit and prosthetics, and in her words,

559
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: running around on set and hiding in places and attacking people,

560
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: just freaking them out because this tiny old man was

561
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: popping out of some weird places, which I fully support.

562
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: But she also had a running gag with Dan Schneider

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00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: involving Hooters. I'll just quote directly from the complex or

564
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: all history. Everyone used to go to Hooters in Orlando.

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00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: That was the spot. This is somebody who is in

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Speaker 1: her early teens at the time, So I won't anyway,

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00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: I would leave all these love notes on Hooters memorabilia

568
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: for Dan Schneider everywhere. It would be like underwear assigned calendar,

569
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: a lip print on a napkin, and stuff like that.

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00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: One day, at the end of the season, I followed

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Speaker 1: it up with a paternity suit, like fake papers, getting

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00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: a fake paternity suit from a teenager. Um it is

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Speaker 1: interesting because there's some controversy surrounding this man, Dan Schneider,

574
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: and it involves underage girls and rumors involving paternity. I

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00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: will tread lightly for legal reasons. Um So. Dan Schneider

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00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: has been described as the Norman Lear of children's television,

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00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: which is a pretty great compare. Norman Lear created a

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00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: string of hit shows in the seventies, many spinning off

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Speaker 1: from one another. All in the Families spun off into

580
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: The Jefferson's Archie Bunker's Place, and Maud Maud itself spun

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Speaker 1: off into Good Times, a bunch of shows. Dan Schneider

582
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: is a similar television fractal All that spun off into

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Speaker 1: Keenan and Kell and The Amanda Show with Amanda Bindes,

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Speaker 1: who also started another one of his shows, What I

585
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: Like About You on the w B. He also created

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00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: Zoey one on one with another all that veteran Jamie

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00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: Lynn Spears, Britney Spears's sister. Then you have I Carle

588
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: and Victorious, which led to the crossover show Sam and

589
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: Cat plus Drake and Josh Henry Danger Game Shakers, all

590
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: huge shows that are created, produced, and written by this

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Speaker 1: one guy. Dan Schneider's incredibly prolific. His twenty plus year

592
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: reign as Nickelodeon's live action Golden Boy ended in March

593
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Speaker 1: when he parted ways with the company under shadowy circumstances.

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00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: There's speculation that Nickelodeon encouraged him the back out of

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Speaker 1: his formal contract for a seven million dollar payoff. Schneider

596
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: said this was just a mutual parting of the ways

597
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: and the network refused to comment any further, but the

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00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: timing of this, just months after the Me Too reckoning

599
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: struck many as suspicious, especially considering the vast majority of

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00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: these shows that he created, wrote and produced starred teenage girls. Again,

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Speaker 1: there's the two shows with them and the bines. Zoe

602
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: one oh one had Jamie Lynn Spears, I Carly had

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00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: Marina Cosgrove and Janet McCurdy, Victorious, Victoria Justice and a

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Speaker 1: young Ariana Grande, as did Sam and Cat. There are

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Speaker 1: numerous pictures out there of Dan posing with these young

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Speaker 1: women on the set of his shows, with what appears

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Speaker 1: to be genuine fear in their eyes, and he reportedly

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Speaker 1: took home videos of these underage actors hanging out around

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Speaker 1: the set. I have not seen these, but reportedly the

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Speaker 1: actor's body language changes abruptly at the sight of Dan

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00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: Schneider and his camera. The outlet Deadline Hollywood reported that

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Speaker 1: there were complaints about Schneider's alleged behavior, including his alleged

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00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: quote well documented temper issues for years, and his tweets

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Speaker 1: showing photos of his young actress's feet. Oh boy, and

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00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:15,479
Speaker 1: this brings us to the foot thing. A disproportionate number

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Speaker 1: of the plot lines in his shows, for which again

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00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: he is the writer for many of these involve young

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Speaker 1: girls and feet. Frankly, it makes Quentin Tarantino look like

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Speaker 1: an amateur. There have been numerous threads on Twitter and

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00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: many YouTube compilation videos over the years that have assembled

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Speaker 1: an astounding number of scenes and jokes involving feet. There

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Speaker 1: are episodes where characters touch each other's feet, draw on

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Speaker 1: their feet, and pour ketchup on their feet. There's an

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00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: entire episode of Victorious centers around everyone using toxic fish

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Speaker 1: to make their feet smooth, and adults will rub the

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Speaker 1: children's feet and go, wow, that's so smooth. There's another

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Speaker 1: scene on one of his shows where a barefoot Ariana

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Speaker 1: Grande attempts to put her entire toe into her mouth.

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Speaker 1: There's an episode of another show where the characters try

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Speaker 1: to shoot bow and arrows with their feet. There's an

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Speaker 1: episode of I Car Really where an apparently nude Miranda

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Speaker 1: Cosgro of luxury. It's in a bubble bath until she

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00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: gets her toes stuck into a faucet, which is actually

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00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: a Dick van dug show reference. Moving on, it gets

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Speaker 1: weirder when you head over to Twitter. Deadline reported that

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Speaker 1: Dan Schneider's official show accounts would share photos of young

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Speaker 1: actresses toes in the form of a quiz. He posted

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00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: a photo of Jeanette McCurdy's quote very unusual toes and

639
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: encourage Twitter followers to name her toes. In the social

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00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: media account for the show Sam and Cat starring Jeanette

641
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: McCurdy and Ariana Grande, encourage fans to write the show's

642
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: hashtag on the bottom of their feet. And post the

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Speaker 1: photo in the comments. This tweet is still alive, and

644
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: in recent years many adult men have posted photos of

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Speaker 1: their own feet with Dan Schneider as a pedophile written

646
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: in sharpie. There's an anonymous Reddit poster that claimed, quote,

647
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Speaker 1: I grew up in l A. It was an extra

648
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: on The Amanda Show A few times. Dan Schneider paid

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00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: me a hundred bucks to tickle my feet in between takes.

650
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: He asked me if I was ticklish, and I said no,

651
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: then he bet me a hundred bucks he could make

652
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: me ticklish. I was expecting him to reach over and

653
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 1: tickle me under my arm or something like that, but

654
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 1: he led me to his office. I basically got paid

655
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Speaker 1: to receive a foot massage and a lot of compliments. Schneider,

656
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: for his part, has responded these foot fetish allegations. In

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Speaker 1: an interview with The New York Times given three years

658
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Speaker 1: after he left Nickelodeon, he said he was well aware

659
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Speaker 1: of these compilations all of his foot scenes and called

660
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: the accusations that he has a fetish for preteen feet

661
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: quote ridiculous and that the comedy was quote totally innocent.

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00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: He added kids fine feet, goofy and funny, and there

663
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 1: is no effort to sexualize my young stars. But there

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Speaker 1: are some weird moments. There's a moment in Victorious where

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Speaker 1: Ariana Grande, age sixteen, writhes around in bed in a

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Speaker 1: low cut top and douses herself with water. There's another

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Speaker 1: scene when she's forced to crawl on her hands and

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Speaker 1: knees towards a character, And still another where a guy

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Speaker 1: shoves her head under a table. It trust me, it

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00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: just looks bad. Uh. And still there's a seam where

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Speaker 1: Already shakes a potato up and down vigorously while screaming,

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Speaker 1: give up the juice. Mhm. The website babe dot com

673
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Speaker 1: also cites examples of questionable jokes from Dan Schneider's slate

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Speaker 1: of children's shows, seemingly referencing boys having sex with vacuum cleaners,

675
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Speaker 1: and I've seen girls if they want to get slapped

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Speaker 1: with a sausage. It's also a bit of dialogue from

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Speaker 1: an I Car the episode entitled Eyeballs, in which a

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Speaker 1: character says, I want to wash my hands. They smell

679
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Speaker 1: like clams. Oh you had clams. No, there's a wire

680
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Speaker 1: reference in one of those that I've seen. What really? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think there's a spitball. There's like an episode where

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Speaker 1: they're fighting with spitballs or something and one of them

683
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: references a line or um. One of the characters in

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Speaker 1: the Wire gets killed by a friend of theirs and

685
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Speaker 1: he says something like, how does my hair look good?

686
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Speaker 1: And he says, your hair looks good and I need

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Speaker 1: shoots her in their head. Uh. And I believe they

688
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: just recite that line, reading word for word in I cartley.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's just the shooting. Um. Have you

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Speaker 1: seen the Wire? No? But I mean, what what do

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Speaker 1: they shoot? It's spitballs? Are No, they're playing Assassin? Oh yeah, yeah,

692
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: yeah you've seen that. No, I know the game Assassin. Though. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: They do a whole riff on one of the most

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Speaker 1: famous Wire villains getting killed. Bizarre, not for stuff, but

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00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: still weird. Yes. There is an anonymous comment posted on

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Speaker 1: a blind item website called Crazy Days and Nights, which

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Speaker 1: people in the entertainment gossip industry in the early twenty

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Speaker 1: tents may remember that called Dan Schneider quote a monster

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Speaker 1: and quote the worst pedophile alive. This comment are under

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Speaker 1: the name him, which a bunch of m's got a

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Speaker 1: lot of press in places like Jezebel, because a lot

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Speaker 1: of people were speculating that it was actually Robert Downey Jr.

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Speaker 1: His rep says it isn't. This is a whole other

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Speaker 1: thing for you to google. But it's fascinating and sad

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00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: and equal measure this him. Commenter on this blind item

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Speaker 1: website had a lot of long comments with some pretty

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Speaker 1: explosive claims about Hollywood. Google it. I'm talking now, um,

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Speaker 1: But yeah, there's a theory that Robert Downey Jr. Was

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Speaker 1: calling Dan Schneider a monster in the Worst Pedophile Live

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00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: for legal reasons, I should say that's on substantiate um. Anyway.

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Speaker 1: I know I'm getting deep into infoil hat territory here,

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Speaker 1: But there's a long standing rumor that Dan Schneider is

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Speaker 1: the father of Jamie Lynn Spears baby, born when she

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Speaker 1: was a teen acting on his show Zoe One on One. Officially,

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Speaker 1: her boyfriend Casey Aldridge claimed to be the father of

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Speaker 1: the baby, but there are some who say that they

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Speaker 1: were on an on off period for a few years

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Speaker 1: and this kid took a payoff to act as the

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Speaker 1: father of Jamie Lynn's baby. Jamie Lynn herself has never commented.

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Speaker 1: In fact, she praises Dan Schneider in her memoir Things

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Speaker 1: I Should Have Said, which is published earlier this year.

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Speaker 1: In interestingly, another one of Dan Schneider's stars, Janette McCurdy,

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Speaker 1: who appeared in both I Carly and the Salmon Cat spinoff,

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Speaker 1: published a memoir this summer, actually just a few weeks ago,

725
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Speaker 1: that painted a damning portrait of her experience with Nickelodeon.

726
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Speaker 1: She didn't name Dan Schneider directly, but she claimed that

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Speaker 1: a figure known as Quote the Creator, pressured her to

728
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: drink alcohol while under age and gave her an unwanted

729
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 1: shoulder massage. She further claimed that Nickelodeon tried to buy

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Speaker 1: her silence, and Dan Schneider was indeed the creator of

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Speaker 1: both the shows. Did you mention what the memoir was called?

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Speaker 1: I know I did not. Would you care to take

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Speaker 1: us there? It's call I'm Glad my Mom died. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: She's on the cover holding an urn with UM confetti

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Speaker 1: spelling out of it. Yeah. It's been making a lot

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Speaker 1: of headlines lately. Check it out if you are so

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Speaker 1: inclined UM In a few days before we actually taped

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Speaker 1: this episode in late August, Zoe one on One co

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Speaker 1: star Alexa Nicolas staged a protest outside of Nickelodeon's headquarters

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Speaker 1: in Burbank, California, alleging that she and fellow child actors,

741
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Speaker 1: presumably including Jamie Lynn Spears, the star of the show,

742
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Speaker 1: were quote not safe during the time working on Zoe

743
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Speaker 1: one on one. So that's all very interesting. There's lots

744
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 1: of smoke, but very little fire. The New York Times

745
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 1: reported in one that Nickelodeon's decision to cut ties with

746
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 1: Dan Schneider after more than twenty years of hits came

747
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Speaker 1: after an internal investigation, which uncovered no evidence of sexual misconduct,

748
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Speaker 1: but however, the in house investigation determined that he was

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Speaker 1: verbally abusive on his sets, difficult to work with, and

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00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: quote prone to tantrums and angry emails. When asked about

751
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: the allegations, Schneider defended his work and said that if

752
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: people found the to be hard to work with, it

753
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 1: was because he maintained quote high standards as a showrunner.

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00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: And he also denied that he had improper relationships with children,

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00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: saying I couldn't and I wouldn't have had long term

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00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: friendships and continued loyalty from so many reputed people if

757
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: I had mistreated by actors of any age, especially minors.

758
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: And getting back to all that, I haven't come across

759
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: any complaints from any members of the cast of that show. Well,

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00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: we don't know what the NDAs were like anyway, Uh,

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Speaker 1: like Jeffy Chase is the anchor in Weekend Update, and

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Speaker 1: Bates have all kept in touch and reunited for comedy

847
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Speaker 1: sketches on bates YouTube channel under the acronym a k A.

848
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Speaker 1: Three of the women, and that Lloyd Beth was not

849
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,959
Speaker 1: involved with that. And I hope there's nothing. There's nothing

850
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: weird there. Mh. We'll get to the bottom of it

851
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: finding blind items on Reddit. Um. But you know, despite this,

852
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:26,240
Speaker 1: you know, comedy is a boys club, especially sketch comedy

853
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: on a big network TV. I mean, this is exactly

854
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Speaker 1: what they talked about with SNL poor GUILDA. But this

855
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: show was still undoubtedly groundbreaking for being one of the

856
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Speaker 1: most diverse shows on TV in the mid nineties, at

857
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: least far as sketch comedy is concerned. I mean, just

858
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Speaker 1: look at Seinfeld and Friends without His Friends taking place

859
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: in New York. Not a single person of color on

860
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: that show for seventy thousand seasons, versus shows like Martin

861
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: Living Single, or even the disparity between S and L

862
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: and Living Color. I mean this tell levision was segregated.

863
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: But the original cast of All That included four young

864
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: women and three boys, three white performers, four performers of color.

865
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: The season of Saturday Night Live running that same year

866
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: had a cast of seventeen, of which only four were

867
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: women and only two were people of color, and a

868
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: piece written for Zora on Medium, Branda Holt cites All

869
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 1: That as the most racially and gender inclusive show on

870
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Speaker 1: Nickelodeon during its era. Riya's Who's of Dominican, Irish and

871
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: Italian descent, later said, when I got off the plane

872
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: and saw the cast was such a melting pot. It

873
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: made me happy because I knew there was going to

874
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Speaker 1: be a little boy and girl out there that could

875
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: relate to us. Also, it's important to know the kids

876
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 1: looked their own age. M piece by writer Jake Flanagan

877
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Speaker 1: in the Atlantic called the quiet radicalism of All That.

878
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,720
Speaker 1: He wrote, the kids who were refreshingly normal looking absent

879
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: were the hyperactive, over costumed Disney Channel tweens Lizzie McGuire,

880
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: or the pouty, brooding twenty year olds playing sixteen on

881
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: the WB like Dawson's Creek or popular. The cast of

882
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 1: All That reflected the nature of its audience. They were

883
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: growing up, lanky, limbs, zits and all, and in order

884
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: to cater to this diverse audience, the producers of All

885
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,479
Speaker 1: That shows a theme tune and musical guests that would

886
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: reflect this. The title song was famously recorded by TLC,

887
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: who got tapped for the job after they appeared as

888
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: the very first musical guests and the pilot episode, and

889
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: they hit it off the cast and jumped at the

890
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: chance to do the song. Band member Roseanne the Chili

891
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: Thomas later said it was as if we had known

892
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 1: the cast members forever, especially Keenan and Kale, because they

893
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: kind of reminded us of ourselves. Alizarea said that left

894
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: Eye took a ribbon out of one of her hair

895
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,800
Speaker 1: braids and gave it to her while taping the pilot,

896
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: which is adorable. She treasures it to this day. It

897
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: belongs in a museum. All that was crucial to introducing

898
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,720
Speaker 1: kids to hip hop and R and B, booking acts

899
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 1: that some, including network executives, were too adult for the kids. Slot.

900
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Speaker 1: Producer Brian Robbins consulted with his young relatives on these

901
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: musical bookings, but they often drew complaints from the network.

902
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: Brass As you'd later say, Nickelodeon thought it was crazy.

903
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: They were like, why do we have to use rap music.

904
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: Of course, when all that's ratings took off, these exacts

905
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 1: changed their tune. The lineup for their guests is really insane,

906
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 1: and it is how I learned about so many R

907
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: and B and hip hop artists. You have a Leah Usher,

908
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: Faith Evans run DMC tribe called quest Nas with Sherman

909
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 1: Helmsley as his lead in Busta Rhymes, Mary J. Blige,

910
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 1: ll Cool J, Miss Elliott, Destiny's Child Boys, Demand Outcast, Coolio,

911
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 1: Erica Badou to name but a few. Their guests were amazing,

912
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,800
Speaker 1: and Stephen Rifkin, who was then the president and CEO

913
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: of Loud Records, praised all that in an interview with

914
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,479
Speaker 1: Billboard Magazine, saying all that is one of television's only

915
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: forums for rap and hip hop artists since the demise

916
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: of The Arsenio Hall Show. However, the musical guests did

917
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: create a rare bit of drama within the cast. Katrina

918
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: Johnson told Complex as far as tension, I don't think

919
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: there was any in the original cast unless there was

920
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: a real sexy performer. That maybe one cast member one

921
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: at the date, but another cast member actually went on

922
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 1: a date with that person, and that may have happened twice. Thankfully,

923
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: she laughed this off. It's unclear who the culprit was,

924
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 1: but Angelique Bates has talked about how her attempts to

925
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 1: get close to one performer were apparently thwarted by her smell.

926
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: She started, Yeah, yeah. She started a sketch with Keenan

927
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 1: Thompson called Cooking with Randy and Mandy, which we touched

928
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: on earlier. It involves these chocolate obsessed chefs, usually diving

929
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: in the jacuzzis filled with chocolate, and the owner of

930
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: chocolate apparently lingered long after these cast members would take

931
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: their showers. To me, this is a selling point, but

932
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: apparently it's camp Algelique's style when she tried to cozy

933
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: up to Romeo of the boy band Immature. She later said,

934
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 1: I had the biggest crush on Romeo, and I was

935
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: trying to introduce myself, like, oh hey, imagine league, don't

936
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: mind the chocolate smell. Anyway. Do you know that Amanda

937
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 1: Bindes has been releasing rap singles since when last year? Wow?

938
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: I mean I wonder if she'll finally get the partner

939
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 1: with Drake. Yeah, uh, you know, maybe I'll rap was

940
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 1: a formative influence on her. Um. We don't really get

941
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: into a man that much on this because she was

942
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:37,839
Speaker 1: part of I don't know. She wasn't on the show

943
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 1: until I think like a third or maybe the fourth season.

944
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, retalented rap career. Notwithstanding, she was

945
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: famously one of the most restrictive Conservative ships after she

946
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: had her very public problems with marijuana and Drake and

947
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 1: Twitter and lighting a fire in someone's driveway. Um, but

948
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: she was She was out FM under the conservativeship as

949
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Speaker 1: of March and studied f I T right or studied

950
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: some fashions too. Yeah, and uh, rapping, so I didn't

951
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: know the rapping. Wow. Yeah. But Angelique Bates is smelling

952
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 1: like chocolate was nothing compared to Danny Timbarelli's infatuation with

953
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: Britney Spears a few seasons later. I guess the cast

954
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: ran onto the stage after Brittany performed for a song

955
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: on the show, and then Brittany bent down to take

956
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 1: a bow and Danny blatantly stared at her butt, and

957
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,760
Speaker 1: it was so obvious that the director reset the entire

958
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: scene and made the whole cast filmed the segment again

959
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 1: and told him, under no uncertain terms, you know why

960
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: we did this right, Don't don't do that as you

961
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: meditate on that, We'll be right back with more too

962
00:53:47,719 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 1: much information after these messages. Obviously, in addition to rapping

963
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: R and b X, there were many pop stars on

964
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: All That, like Brittany, the Spice Girls, Sugar Ray Bar,

965
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: Naked Ladies, and in Sync. But All That will always

966
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: be remembered for its rap performances and arguably no single

967
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: rappers more closely linked to the show than Coolio. He

968
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 1: was in the charts with his breakout single Fantastic Voyage

969
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:24,240
Speaker 1: soon after All That premiered, and he gets it twice

970
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 1: in the show's first two seasons, and he even credits

971
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: his career to All That, saying quote, it was one

972
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: of the advanced steps of me becoming a household name.

973
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 1: And Nickelodeon liked him so much that they tapped him

974
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 1: into the theme tune to the Keenan and Kel's spinoff show,

975
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: which he apparently wrote in just an hour. It sounds

976
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: about right yeah, And this brings us to Keenan and Kell,

977
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: the bromance at the heart of the story. Together they

978
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: became the breakout stars of All That, launching the hugely

979
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 1: successful spinoff Keenan and Kell and also the only film

980
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: born of the franchise, Good Burger, and their chemistry was

981
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: apparent from the moment they began doing their two grumpy

982
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:05,720
Speaker 1: old men characters, Mavis and Clavis during the pilot episode

983
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: when they introduced TLC. They ad lived back and forth

984
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,240
Speaker 1: and made each other laugh, and as Keenan later said,

985
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: they each had the same thought at the same time.

986
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: Oh we're the same dude. Oh may we all be

987
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 1: so lucky? In a way, they had this kind of

988
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 1: Laurel Hardy dynamic going. Keenan had his killer deadpan and

989
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 1: Kell with his endless reserves of frantic energy. Producer Brian Robbins,

990
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: one of the creators of the show, went on to

991
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: produced Keenan and Kell and direct good Burger described Keenan

992
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 1: as an old soul and Kell as an internal child,

993
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:39,479
Speaker 1: which I feel like is a great way to sum

994
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:43,399
Speaker 1: up their respective energies. Kenan and Kelly became inseparable off

995
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,919
Speaker 1: the set, and their moms became tight, which I love.

996
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 1: And producers saw Keenan and Kell gooving around with one

997
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 1: another in between takes, and this led to the Keenan

998
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 1: and Kel spin off in July, a year after all

999
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 1: that went in the regular production. The show is not

1000
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: as beloved to me, at least as all that um

1001
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 1: my inviting memories are of the theme song by Coolio

1002
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: Kills all here it goes catchphrase, and of course is

1003
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 1: all consuming Unholy love of orange soda, Kelsy youth past her.

1004
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:16,280
Speaker 1: Now he really on the Holy love of orange soda

1005
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: and holy love of God. So the spinoff show Keenan

1006
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: and Kel was a hit, and the brass at Nickelodeon

1007
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 1: had to think on how to spin more gold from

1008
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: these teams, and the answer appeared in the form of

1009
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 1: their Good Burger film adaptation. And this was very much

1010
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: a case of striking while the item was hot. The

1011
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 1: executives at Nickelodeon came back to the production team in

1012
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 1: late January and said, good news, you've got the green light.

1013
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 1: We're gonna make the movie. The bad news is it

1014
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 1: needs to be in theaters by July. This was late January.

1015
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: The typical gestation period for movies is five to seven years.

1016
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 1: They had six months. The team was shooting the movie

1017
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:55,479
Speaker 1: a mere seven weeks later, and thankfully things were honed

1018
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 1: after years of doing the good burger sketch on all

1019
00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 1: that so there wasn't you know, a lot to learn.

1020
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: Kel played ed the middle vanilly braided cashier. Keenan played Dexter,

1021
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 1: his uptight colleague working a summer job at the burger stand.

1022
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 1: It has a surprisingly impressive supporting cast a Vagoda, Shaquille

1023
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: O'Neil Sindbad, George Clinton who plays an asylum inmate, a

1024
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 1: pre Freaks and Geeks, Linda Carolini, and Carbon Elector makes

1025
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 1: a cameo weird Um. It was filmed on location at

1026
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: a real life restaurant in the town of West Covina, California,

1027
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: at a place that's now called Peters l Loco, and

1028
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: though they primarily serve Mexican food. They have included burgers

1029
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: on their menu because why not, that's money on the table. Uh.

1030
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: Roger Ebert predictively gave Good Burger the perfect review, the

1031
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 1: only review you need. It didn't do much for me,

1032
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 1: but I'm prepared to predict that its target audience will

1033
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: have a good time. That sounds about right. And now

1034
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: we have to get to the split. Keenan and Kell

1035
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: left all that after the fifth season wrapped in the fall,

1036
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: and The Keenan and Kell Show went off the air

1037
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: on the summer of two thousand. Keenan but joined the

1038
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: cast of SNL in two thousand three, ending the three

1039
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 1: years and an otherwise unbroken streak of sketch comedy coming

1040
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 1: up on thirty years now. It's insane how long he's

1041
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: been in the game. At age twenty five, Keenan became

1042
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 1: the first cast member on SNL born after its debut

1043
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: in nine Uh. This just kind of marked an important

1044
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: changing of the guard there. However, the thing that I

1045
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: didn't know was that Cal also auditioned for SNL around

1046
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 1: the same time, presumably and didn't get the gig. You know,

1047
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 1: he talked about this with the a V Club and

1048
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: he said I didn't get it, but that's okay. It

1049
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: was a fun time. I think I was just too

1050
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: hyper at that time. I was doing all kinds of characters.

1051
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: I had this bit where it was DMX if he

1052
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: was in toy story. Yeah, it was so random. I

1053
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 1: thought it was funny. And then I did a joke

1054
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: about Michael Jackson loving trees because he had this interview

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00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: he was in a tree. I did this whole song

1056
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: about Michael Jackson and trees, which was very funny. But

1057
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 1: I'm a good company with a lot of guys who

1058
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 1: didn't get on SNL, like Jim Carey and guys like that.

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00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 1: It was just an honor to even audition. But and

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00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: this is where it gets sad. There was a period

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00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 1: after Keenan got on SNL where he and Kel fell

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00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 1: out of contact and there may have been some bad

1063
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 1: blood or at least some bruised feelings. In two thousand

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00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: and twelve, Kell told TMZ the truth is Keenan does

1065
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 1: not want to be seen with me in any form

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00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 1: of media or even have my name mentioned around him.

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00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 1: He claimed at the time that he nearly reunited with

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00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 1: Kell for a big name publication but Keenan apparently backed

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00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 1: out at the last minute, supposedly in an ongoing attempt

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00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: to separate himself from his Nickelodeon past. Kel was very understanding,

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00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 1: at least publicly saying, I have not been upset about this.

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00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 1: I respect his choice of wanting to make a name

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00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: for himself solo. There's no bad blood on my side.

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00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 1: I'm not to climb in a reunion. I know the

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01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: fans love the show and would love to see some

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01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 1: type of appearance with us. I just don't see that

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01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 1: ever happening because of how he really feels. Interestingly, when

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01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 1: The Atlantic went to interview Kel for article entitled Whatever

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01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: Happened to Kel? From Keenan and Kel, as explained by Kel,

1080
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 1: Kell's publicist apparently requested that the writer not asked questions

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01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 1: about the relationship between Keenan and Kel at that time.

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01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 1: So that's but whatever the case, things of Pewter are

1083
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: blown over. They reunited on the Tonight Show in for

1084
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 1: a Good Burger sketch, and soon after they did a

1085
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 1: fan dango ad, which Keenan says was just like old times,

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01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 1: and he didn't rule out the possibility of a larger

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01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 1: Keenan and Kel reunion, later saying I think it lives

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01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 1: in a very special place in people's hearts. So regardless

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01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 1: of what either one of us has continued to do,

1090
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 1: people always think back on those times and they're like,

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01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 1: who loves orn soda? Still to this day, I can't

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01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 1: get mad at it because I love those time too,

1093
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 1: and I feel where they're coming from because it's the childhood.

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01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 1: And just last week in late August two, shortly after

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01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 1: receiving a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, Keenan

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01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 1: confirmed that he and Kell are working on a Good

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01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 1: Burger sequel, which they've both said repeatedly over the years

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01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 1: that they'd be down to do. He said, quote, I

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01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 1: would like to we're working harder on than ever. It's

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01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 1: about meeting the numbers, letting them numbers match up, because

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01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 1: I need them numbers. I don't know what that means.

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01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: Maybe that's what he wants to pay to be. I'm

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01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 1: not sure, So I'll call that tentative, but hopeful maybe

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01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 1: we'll get the Good Burger reunion. Speaking of orange soda,

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01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 1: Kell apparently doesn't bear anyone any quarrel who wants to

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01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 1: reference that part of his life to him. He later said,

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01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 1: I'm not one of those child stars who doesn't want

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01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 1: to embrace it, says. Even at fancy five star restaurants,

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01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 1: the waiter will inevitably ask him if he wants orange soda,

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01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 1: which I don't know. Man, he's a better man than

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01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 1: I am. I think I feel like I started glaring

1112
01:01:57,880 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 1: at people when I used to. You know, I work

1113
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: at a grocery store in high school. And let me

1114
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 1: tell you, anytime something doesn't scan, every single person in

1115
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 1: the world goes because it's free. You run out of

1116
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 1: good will created quickly. Apparently not if you're kel for

1117
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 1: a time. Apparently, Kell would you know? And then cash

1118
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 1: and checks you're you're a gig and actor you got.

1119
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 1: He would make appearances at colleges where he'd throw orange

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Speaker 1: soda parties. He has his all white parties, has orange soda.

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01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 1: Pretty whimsical as far as former child star goes. Ah,

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01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: so this was all orange everything. Everyone would wear all

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01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 1: orange and Kell would be up in the booth djaying,

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01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 1: signing autographs. Um, and you know he was in I

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01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 1: forgot he was an all falls down because he's from Chicago,

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01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 1: just like Kanye, and uh, he got the call. He's

1127
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 1: all falls down. He got the call the day before

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01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 1: saying if he wanted the gig, he had to be

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01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:54,919
Speaker 1: at the airport at five am the next morning. That's

1130
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 1: a trend that has continued for Kanye's entire career, making

1131
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 1: outrageous demands on people who then comply for some reason.

1132
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 1: But like many kids show figures the nineties who dropped

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01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 1: in and out of the Spotlight, Steve from Blues Clues,

1134
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 1: Lindy Low, and Macaulay Culkin at all, Kel has been

1135
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 1: the victim and or recipient of a death hoax. This

1136
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 1: occurred back in two thousands six, and like a lot

1137
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 1: of things from that era, it went down on my Space.

1138
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:27,479
Speaker 1: For some reason. They sent out an email blast saying

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01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:29,919
Speaker 1: that Kel had died at the age of seven, which

1140
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 1: is a macabre seven club bit, I guess, and this

1141
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 1: led to many people calling him, mostly his relatives. He

1142
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 1: recalled to the Atlantic as soon as they called, and

1143
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 1: I picked up. I think they figured it out. It's laughable,

1144
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 1: but at the same time it's a serious matter. It's

1145
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 1: shocking to me that someone would sit there and say

1146
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 1: someone else died, Oh, you sweet summer child. Think of

1147
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 1: how many times people start so and so death hoaxes

1148
01:03:56,120 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 1: on Twitter. Uh poor guy. So all Kell is still alive.

1149
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 1: All that is sort of not nothing gold can stay

1150
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 1: and the original cast of the show started to disintegrate.

1151
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 1: They all went their separate ways. I was the league

1152
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 1: Base left first after season two, followed by Katrina Johnson

1153
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 1: and a Lisa Rays the following year. Then Lorie Bette

1154
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 1: Denburgh left after season four, Keenan and Kell after season five,

1155
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 1: leaving only Josh Server from the original cast to stick

1156
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 1: it through to the end of season six and two

1157
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 1: thousand and As I said at the top of the episode,

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01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 1: they had some great new additions to the cast up

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01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 1: to that point, Amanda Binds and Danny Timbarelli being the

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01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 1: most notable, but also Nick Cannon who I completely forgot

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01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 1: was on the show, and Gabriel Fluffy Iglesias, who I

1162
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 1: also completely forgot was on the show. But after season six,

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01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 1: all that went on hiatus for two years and they

1164
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 1: underwent a massive reboot with an all new cast that

1165
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 1: launched in two thousand two. Jamie Lynn Spears is the

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01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 1: most famous, but it lost its magic for me, and

1167
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 1: the show limped along for another few years years until

1168
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 1: it was finally canceled in two thousand five. The studios

1169
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 1: where it was filmed, both in Orlando and on the

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01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 1: Sunset Strip in Los Angeles. We're both closed and sold.

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01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 1: That was pretty much the end of the story until

1172
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 1: when a very high profile revival of the show kicked off.

1173
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 1: One of the original co creators of All That, Brian Robbins,

1174
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 1: was by this point the president of Nickelodeon, and he

1175
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 1: was extremely bullish on this revamp, later saying I would

1176
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 1: have never, ever, ever canceled the show. It should have

1177
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 1: been Nickelodeon Saturday Night Live. All That was a very

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01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 1: sophisticated show, young humor, and the level of comedy on

1179
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:38,439
Speaker 1: that show was sophisticated. Keenan Thompson was at the Helm

1180
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 1: was an executive producer for this new version, and he

1181
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 1: guested on the show along with kel Lorie Beth, Lisa Reus,

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01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 1: and Josh Server, who all returned for cameos. I have

1183
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 1: to admit I have almost no memory of hearing about

1184
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 1: this reboot, but it was reasonably well received and renewed

1185
01:05:55,480 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 1: for a second season in but production was suspended during

1186
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 1: the COVID nineteen crisis, and it has yet to resume

1187
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 1: two years later. Yeah, I mean, rebooting a nineties kids

1188
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 1: sketch show has got to be a tricky proposition because

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01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 1: adults probably aren't gonna be dedicated viewers. Since children's humor

1190
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 1: only gets you so much mileage. Network sketch television shows

1191
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 1: in the age of YouTube and TikTok seemed like a

1192
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 1: hard sell for actual kids today, the nostalgia factor really

1193
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:27,360
Speaker 1: only works when you get the original cast now grown

1194
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 1: up doing humor aimed at adults, kind of like the

1195
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 1: Legends of the Hidden Temple reboot where they had, you know,

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01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 1: instead of a kid's game show core obstacle course, they

1197
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 1: have like an actual terrifying obstacle course for adults. Um.

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01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 1: This revamp also failed, but still I feel like the

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Speaker 1: only way that like on All That reboot would work

1200
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 1: in my eyes, was to get as much of the

1201
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 1: original cast as you possibly could and have it be

1202
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 1: almost like a Mad TV style like adults sketch show.

1203
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 1: I would love to see all those guys back together,

1204
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:59,040
Speaker 1: but alas this could very well. But the end of

1205
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:03,840
Speaker 1: the story, all that is remembered today fondly for being smart, funny,

1206
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 1: and in its own way, quietly groundbreaking. But I'd like

1207
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 1: to end on one story that touches my heart. I

1208
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe it will yours as well. Before leaving

1209
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 1: the show, A Lisa Reis took a souvenir, a klonel

1210
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 1: from the iconic Big Ear of Corn. Does it belong

1211
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 1: in a museum, sure, but she keeps it as a

1212
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:28,360
Speaker 1: reminder of her days, bringing laughter to kids and adults alike,

1213
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 1: not unlike the bell from the Polar Express. I love that.

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01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 1: I love it very much. Yeah, I I don't know.

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01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 1: I don't have anything to add to this. I'm touched

1216
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 1: by I'm touched by how much you loved this. Have

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01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 1: you rewatched a bunch of them? Do you got to

1218
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 1: like YouTube? I rewatched some of it. Um, some of

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01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:53,520
Speaker 1: it doesn't translate well to adults. Uh, some of it

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01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 1: doesn't translate out of the nineties, shall we say, But

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01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:00,440
Speaker 1: it's still it's still felt good to rewatch some of that.

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01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 1: It took me back to a happy place, and I

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01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 1: I welcome and I encourage others to do that as well. Well.

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01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:10,800
Speaker 1: If that's the show's legacy, I think we can put

1225
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 1: a bow on it there. I feel good about leaving

1226
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:17,519
Speaker 1: it in a place of revisiting the warm cathode Ray

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01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 1: Glow of your Childhood. I will do so with episodes

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01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:28,400
Speaker 1: of Frasier Bitches from that rear projection screen. My cornea

1229
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 1: is rotting. Uh well, folks, thank you for listening. This

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Speaker 1: has been too much information. I'm Alex Hegel and I'm

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01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 1: Jordan Runtalk. We'll catch you next time. Too Much Information

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Speaker 1: was a production of I Heart Radio. The show's executive

1233
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:48,719
Speaker 1: producers are Noel Brown and Jordan Runtalk. The supervising producer

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01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:51,839
Speaker 1: is Mike John's. The show was researched, written and hosted

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01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 1: by Jordan Runtalk and Alex Hegel, with original music by

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