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Speaker 1: Body bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. Take a moment, take

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Speaker 1: cut Off, today, we're going to talk about arguably one

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Speaker 2: Yes me and Carr was being stalked and just one

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Speaker 2: month after reporting it to police, Carr was abducted and killed.

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Speaker 2: Australian police said Carr was bound with tape and cable ties,

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Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Body Bags, Dave

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Speaker 1: mac Have you ever been punched in the gut and

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Speaker 1: I think it's happened to to everybody. Maybe you fall

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Speaker 3: You have a young couple, Jasmine Corr and her ex boyfriend.

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Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, he was so bad about

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Speaker 3: This is a woman that works at a home for

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Speaker 1: I just want to bring this to the surface. How

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Speaker 3: As I mentioned, the CCTV camera showed everything. They showed

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Speaker 1: And she would have known what was coming, Dave. And

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Speaker 3: A sad and scary thought that this is what a

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Speaker 1: It's nonsensical.

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Speaker 3: And you've described the traveling, the thing she went through

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Speaker 3: You mentioned at the very beginning of this show today,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, to terror razz her. And I think that as well.

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Speaker 3: thinking in those terms. But in this case, her hands

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