1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: So, folks, if you're listening to stuff they don't want 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: you to know, then it's fair to assume that you 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:11,039 Speaker 1: have heard of Nicola Tesla. I probably heard all sorts 4 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:13,399 Speaker 1: of things about him, and some of the weirdest stuff 5 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:16,600 Speaker 1: is true. But have you heard of the subject of 6 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: today's classic episode, Thomas Henry Moray? Oh? Yes, we have. 7 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 1: You mean zero point energy? You mean the fabled thing 8 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: that has been chased for centuries. How can we create 9 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: a machine that puts out more energy than it takes in? Hmm? 10 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 1: Is it even possible? So let's find out what exactly 11 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: Thomas Henry Murray was up to and was he the 12 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: next Nikola Tesla. Here it is from UFOs two Ghosts 13 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: and Government cover ups. History is written with unexplained events. 14 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: You can turn back now or learn the stuff they 15 00:00:53,479 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: don't want you to now. Hello, everyone, welcome back to 16 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: the show. My name is Matt and I am Ben, 17 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,919 Speaker 1: and we are both suffering from some kind of cold. 18 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what it is. I think we've been 19 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 1: working a little too closely on these episodes been maybe yeah, 20 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: because we both got hit with the same viral thing. Um, 21 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: whatever it is, it's constricting everything above my neck. So yeah, sorry, 22 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: that's not really Look, that's not a transition. Guys listening 23 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: to this, We just we just want to let you know. 24 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: That's why we sound a little weird speaking of fantastic segues. Right. Well, 25 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: you know one thing that is funny is that whenever 26 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: one of us is under the weather. Um you know 27 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: how listeners, when you are under the weather and you 28 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: have a sore throat, uh, you notice that you get 29 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: the Batman boys. You know, I'm not wearing hockey pads 30 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: or whatever that line was. But yes, today we returned 31 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: to you, having narrowly avoided death's door and still not 32 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: quite up to Uh, we couldn't We couldn't wait to 33 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: get back onto the podcast and to talk about a 34 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: subject that was fascinating from the moment you introduced it, Matt, 35 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: And this one is something that you came up with. 36 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: Could you give us an introduction here? Sure? This week 37 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: we've been looking at suppressed energy. We started with Tesla, 38 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: one of our oldest videos, and we're really interested in 39 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: this subject because this seems to be energy and electricity 40 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 1: and the gathering of it seems to be one of 41 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: the most important things that exists for humanity. Um, your computer, 42 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: like the computer that just made that noise, it would 43 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: not be here if we couldn't efficiently get energy somewhere 44 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: and story. Okay, so this A lot of people know 45 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: about Nikola Tesla, a lot of people know about Thomas Edison. 46 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: There are a lot of big names out there. Yeah, 47 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,519 Speaker 1: but there are people who wanted to try different unconventional 48 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: ways to harness energy, to deploy energy to the public. 49 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: And one of these guys his name was Thomas Henry Moray. 50 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: And you may have heard of him, but probably not, 51 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,519 Speaker 1: and we're going to talk about him today. Yeah, So 52 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: who was Thomas Henry Murray? Will He was born in 53 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: August in eighteen two. Let's both high five, Matt. You 54 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: and I were both born in August, not out of ee, 55 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: not of e two as far as we know. Uh 56 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: So Mr Murray graduated the Latter Day Saints Business College. 57 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: He became an engineer, getting a PhD via correspondence courses 58 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:43,119 Speaker 1: at the University of Uppsala and uh for decades he 59 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: was tinkering with these ideas of alternative energy, following the 60 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: lead of Tesla, who was one of his personal inspirations. 61 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: So this is huge for me, as much as we 62 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: admire Tesla right now, imagine if you were not necessarily contemporary, 63 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: but you know, you're aware of Tesla and you're aware 64 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: of his research, and it's kind of current, and you're like, 65 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: oh man, how can I expand on this, especially if 66 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: you're bright enough, as this gentleman apparently was. Right now, 67 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: we have to get Also, you'll notice as we go 68 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: forward that we are putting in a healthy dose of 69 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 1: apparently allegedly's and reportedly uh so. In sometime in the 70 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: nineteen twenties, um Murray began demonstrating what he called radiant 71 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: energy device to various people. Yeah, okay, so this thing 72 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: is kind of interesting. It's a solid state detector, at 73 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: least that's what they called it um he he termed 74 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: he coined the term a Murray valve. And okay, so here, 75 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: let's just go through how it works. Been so, allegedly 76 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: it stimulates this is kind of weird, stimulates oscillations that 77 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: are already existent in the radiant energy from space. So 78 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: the energy that's coming in from the Sun, um other 79 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: stars that just exists out there from the ionosphere. That 80 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:14,559 Speaker 1: idea of harnessing that radiant energy that's just there. Oh yeah, 81 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: like the the that idea of energy, uh, the idea 82 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: of some energy from the heavens. He's not the first 83 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:23,919 Speaker 1: person to do that. No, no, he's not the last. 84 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: But the oscillation thing then would be that this energy 85 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 1: is coming to Earth from space in waves, yes, and 86 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 1: somehow being able to harness those waves. So he he 87 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 1: had a bunch of antenna that we're connected to basically 88 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 1: high voltage capacitors, uh, some semiconductors, some transformers, and well, 89 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 1: I guess we'll look at this a little later. Um, 90 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: but it means that the device was allegedly able to 91 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: convert this ambient radiant energy into some form of usable electricity. Okay, 92 00:05:56,200 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 1: So if we think about the way that a hydropower 93 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: generator is able to harness the tides to generate energy, 94 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: right yeah, Well, in that case, you've got the physical 95 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: movement of waves, right right yeah. Times Uh. In this case, 96 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: you're dealing with something a little more I was going 97 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: to say, esoteric, but harder to grasp. Yeah, if it's 98 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: if it's real. Uh So. One of the most popular 99 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 1: tests that you will hear about when you read about 100 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,559 Speaker 1: Murray or talk about Murray is that this Murray valve 101 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: apparently ran for a hundred and fifty seven hours NonStop 102 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: one time, generating around fifty kilowatts of power, and it 103 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 1: had no connection to conventional power sources. This is a 104 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: great bar story already. Oh yeah, exactly. So here here's 105 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 1: the crazy thing. Then there were a ton of contemporary 106 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: or at least a handful of contemporary experts at the 107 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 1: time that got to take a look at this device 108 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: and they said, okay, well it's working. Something's happening. You're 109 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: getting electricity. But they couldn't explain how the heck it 110 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: worked right. And these were engineers, journalists, apparently, officials from 111 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: various UH companies like Bell Laboratories, or government agencies like 112 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: the Department of Agriculture. And someone, even according to More, 113 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: disassembled and rebuilt the device and got it working, you know, 114 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: because it's a solid state UH detector, So you can 115 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: take apart these things and then put them back together. 116 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: If that is true, that's an extraordinary test because you know, 117 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: even even today, if you look on YouTube where tear 118 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: down videos are so popular, that's really how you demystify stuff. 119 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: But what okay, so we said we're going to go 120 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: back more detail on this device. So what what exactly 121 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: were they tearing apart? What is the Murray device? Or well, 122 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: let's start with what it was not, And what it 123 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: was not was a perpetual motion machine, or at least 124 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: an alleged perpetual motion machine. He even explicitly said that 125 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: that was not this. So okay, well, let's talk about 126 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: what a perpetual motion machine is. I guess right. Um, So, 127 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: as far as we know, that's not possible. A machine 128 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: that you could that would not be connected up to 129 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: any at least known energy source that would be able 130 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: to create power some forum of usable work in perpetuity 131 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: that we that currently does not exist, at least to 132 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: our knowledge, and it cannot exist because it would violate 133 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: the thermodynamic laws right for laws describing the characteristics of 134 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: closed systems. Without going too far into this um, the 135 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:51,439 Speaker 1: laws of thermodynamics are some of the most well established 136 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 1: laws in in the in the world of physics, primarily 137 00:08:55,400 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: because almost everything we observe, pretty much every thing we've 138 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: observed so far, seems to uh substantiate the existence of 139 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 1: these these principles. Now, we had an interesting moment because 140 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: you and I did a vlog earlier in the week 141 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: on the types of perpetual motion machines, whether someone has 142 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:20,439 Speaker 1: invented them or not, and we had some great responses 143 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: on YouTube, some some of you, if you are watching 144 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: our YouTube shows as well, thank you. Some some of 145 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: you raise some really cool and interesting points with some 146 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: stuff we want to follow up on. One of the 147 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: big ones we got that I want to address directly 148 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: is um the notion that the universe itself is a 149 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 1: perpetual motion machine. However, the tricky word here, as I 150 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: think we say, is the word perpetual, imperpetuity, forever, endeavor 151 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:54,199 Speaker 1: and ever. Amen. That uh, that from what we understand 152 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: about the observable universe is not is at least not 153 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: going to happen with our universe due to the um 154 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: unstoppable build of entropy. You can't stop entropy, at least 155 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: we can't do it yet. That well, that's the thing 156 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: there there with our universe, at least our current models, 157 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: there was in an insertion of energy, a energy, a 158 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: point where the energy expanded, and if the Big Bang happened, 159 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 1: if the Big Bang happened, which is our currently our 160 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: best model, uh, there was energy input and it's going 161 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 1: to go and move like that. It's going to continue 162 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: to grow and expand and then we'll see what happens 163 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: after that. Yeah, if we want to space out a 164 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: little bit, I know this is a tangent, but then 165 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: we could also look at it, um, look at the 166 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: universe from a bigger, bigger picture than the Big Bang, 167 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:48,959 Speaker 1: and that would be like the big Bang and then 168 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: a big crunch, then another big bang. So this series 169 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:57,079 Speaker 1: of oscillating universe, if you will, universe is I guess, 170 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: or it's one big wave. Man, it's one crest and 171 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: comes back down. Yeah. Man, True Detective second season, please 172 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: get here faster. Well, we'll see what they say. Uh 173 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:11,559 Speaker 1: if they If they have that, wouldn't it be cool 174 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: if Rust made a cameo. Oh please. I don't think 175 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,839 Speaker 1: he can though, because a different time period. Okay, well, 176 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: no spoilers. If you haven't watched it, check it out. 177 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: Uh without kids in the room, dude. We shouldn't start 178 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: getting paid to do that kind of thing, talking about 179 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: shows that we yeah, I love. How do we do that? 180 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like it's payment enough for 181 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: us to do it that way, because if someone was 182 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: paying us to say that we like to show that 183 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: we didn't like. Yeah, if that's that's not I don't 184 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: know if I'd be comfortable doing. And that's not going 185 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: to happen. So we are not being paid to indoors, true, detective. 186 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: We just enjoy it, right, Yeah, sorry about that us. 187 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: But anyhow, so ry there he is and you're saying, no, 188 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: you guys are being dicks. This is not a perpetual 189 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: motion machine because it's receiving external energy from this unidentified 190 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: source that modern human beings have yet to use. And 191 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: it's called it's it might be confusing for some of 192 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: us right now to hear it called alternately a radiant 193 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: energy device. And we're describing these antennas, these semiconductors and stuff. 194 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: But why is it called a valve? What's called a 195 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 1: valve because the most important part of it is this valve? Right, 196 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: so alright, bear with us here. Okay, So the valve itself, 197 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: it's made of this kind of quote, a mixture of 198 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: tribo luminescent zinc, a semiconductor material, and a radioactive or 199 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: fissile material formed in a rounded pellet inside a tube. Yeah, 200 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 1: and we're gonna keep going with some quotations here for 201 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: for the descript of this this alleged machine. So the 202 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: antenna on the Murray device could vary, but they were 203 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: always going to be built out of some highly conductive metal, 204 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: and the valve inside was functioning as a diode or 205 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:20,839 Speaker 1: deode of sort. Right, And so here's the part where 206 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: it gets suited science, if it hasn't already for all 207 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: the for all the physics majors who are already throwing room. Yeah, 208 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,199 Speaker 1: I get ready reset your eyes because they may roll 209 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: pretty crazily here. Um. So, according to Murray, when the 210 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: machine was tuned to the resonance of zero point energy 211 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 1: in the area, this energy flowed through the antenna and 212 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 1: to the valve. The valve acted kind of as a 213 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: one way gate, so it trapped the energy feeding the 214 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: load of the machine once the me This meant that 215 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: the matter in the vicinity of the machine was out 216 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: of equilibrium and the zero point energy was not returning, 217 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: creating an energy vacuum. So to restore this equilibrium, energy 218 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: would flow towards the vacuum and in the process created 219 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: greater capacity for this vale to pump electricity. Alright, alright, 220 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: I'm right, so it's again. I'll take another water example. Okay, 221 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: so think of a water wheel. That's a very clever invention. 222 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: It's not a perpetual motion machine, and it's powered by 223 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: an external source of energy, right, water moving. So when 224 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: uh when this, when the water from a streamer, creek 225 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: or whatever hits the water wheel, it fills up the 226 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: series of ferris wheel things right in the on the wheel. 227 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: And I'm sure there's a specific name for them, you guys. 228 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm usually better at these. And then um, 229 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: the motion of the water pushes the wheel and then 230 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: the weight of the water returning brings it back down. 231 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: So it's kind of a a loop in that regard. 232 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: That's the idea, I guess. So with invisible cosmic ag 233 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: yeah exactly, and uh yeah, and of course then in 234 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: this case it would be the idea of an energy 235 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: vacuum rather than gravity powering part of the process. But 236 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: here's the thing, we don't know. We can't no matter 237 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: how many times it was demonstrated back then, we will 238 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: never get to see that device in action. That's correct. 239 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: That's because it was destroyed and it was reportedly because 240 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: more basically, he decided not to sell it um and 241 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: he didn't want to disclose the plans to build one 242 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: of these things. Um so either either the big business 243 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: quote big business like Bell Laboratories, or anyone interested in 244 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: energy and monetizing it um or communists Russia up, perhaps 245 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: somebody somebody. He didn't want someone to get their hands 246 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: on it. Yeah, allegedly. And anyway, today's children are still 247 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to use this device and 248 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: to recreate it. Oh, I have some interesting let's call 249 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: them again bar stories about about how this went down. 250 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: So that's really what the show is, by the way, 251 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: bar stories. Yeah, we're podcasting from we turned the audio 252 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: studio into a bar. Nole's got this button that he pushes, Uh, 253 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: the Killer tender Man, he's really good. Yeah, and the 254 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: shelves flip. Yeah, and we have we have all sorts 255 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: of drinks that right, and drinks that you thought weren't real, 256 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: things like that Victory jin from It is terrible. It's 257 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: so it's so bad. Winston was right, it's not cool. 258 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: But but we have other things. So anyway, here we 259 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: are in a bar, where where else would be more 260 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: appropriate for the stories that we're about to say. So 261 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: the story goes that Murray was we talked about this 262 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: in our episode, that Murray was involved with something called 263 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 1: the Rural Electrification Agency or association or service and they 264 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 1: were infiltrated by uh the reds. If I could have 265 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: some dramatic music mill, Yeah, they totally just infiltrated. Perfect, 266 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 1: We just got infiltrated. That was how good that was so? 267 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:24,360 Speaker 1: Uh His assistant turned out to be one of these 268 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:28,479 Speaker 1: communist agents, and it was apparently his assistant who destroyed it. 269 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 1: But Murray also said that he his wife, and his 270 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: children were harassed and threatened by people who wanted to 271 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: give up the technology because it could be weaponized. You know, 272 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: that's a common theme. Uh with new forms of energy, 273 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: new forms of harnessing energy, the idea of persecution be yeah, 274 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: being harassed by some external force. I don't know, man, 275 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, we'll get that. So. Uh So 276 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: we do know that one of the first things should 277 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: do if you're an entering that day in age and 278 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 1: you want to legitimize yourself so you're not just you know, 279 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 1: doctor Pede slickawilly selling snake oil or whatever. I don't know, 280 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:16,199 Speaker 1: it's sounded made up and uh he uh. We we 281 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: do know that Murray applied for a patent. You go 282 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: to the patent office, you lock your idea down. But 283 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: he was not given a patent um for two reasons. First, 284 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,880 Speaker 1: the device used a cold cathode rather than a hot one, 285 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: which scientific understanding the day said, a cold cathode would 286 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: be silly, who are you, doctor, slickawilly? And second, um 287 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 1: Ray could not as as you said earlier, man, he 288 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: couldn't define the source or nature of this energy. Well, yeah, 289 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: and maybe that's the nature of discovering a new form 290 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 1: of energy. You can't really describe it unless you've given 291 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 1: a name, or maybe it wasn't real anyway. Yeah, so 292 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 1: let's get into a conc up t here that we're 293 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: going to talk about in our upcoming episode. Something called 294 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: zero point energy. Oh yeah, what the hell is it? Right? Well, 295 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: according to Scientific American, this is a real thing, and 296 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: it's just an unavoidable part of quantum physics. And people 297 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: have been studying this since the nineteen twenties and basically 298 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: since the discovery of quantum physics. Okay, and we've got 299 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 1: we've got a quotation here from that article, uh by 300 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: a fellow named John o'beben in Obinnen a material science 301 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,360 Speaker 1: researcher at the University of Nebraska at Omaha, and he's 302 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: got a pretty good explanation of zero point right. He says, 303 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: zero point energy refers to random quantum fluctuations in the 304 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: electromagnetic and other force fields that are present everywhere in 305 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: the vacuum. In other words, an empty vacuum is actually 306 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: a seething cauldron of energy. This energy is present even 307 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 1: at the absolute zero temperature negative two and seventy three celsius, 308 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 1: and of course, even when no matter is present. The 309 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 1: effect of these vacuum fields has been detected just barely. 310 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,959 Speaker 1: The effect is very tiny by the attraction they induce 311 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 1: in a capacitor, which is really just too close. Parallel 312 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: metal plates. So, uh, two plates together, and then you 313 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: can detect a chain or what is it? I really don't. 314 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: I can't wrap my head around it, but you can. 315 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:34,640 Speaker 1: You can detect that there is energy or movement of 316 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: some sort between the two plates and the so. So, 317 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: I guess what we're saying is that zero point energy 318 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: has that cool name. Uh, not just because it's a 319 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 1: cool name, but because it is meant to describe the 320 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: lowest possible energy that a quantum mechanical system can have 321 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: after all of the other energy is removed. Yea, even 322 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 1: in a vacuum. Right, So scientists still don't completely understand 323 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: the nature of this, but it is real and you know, 324 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 1: for um, for our physics majors who have maybe destroyed 325 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: your apartment in anger listening to this or cracked or dashboard. Um, 326 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:18,479 Speaker 1: we we hope that this is a little bit of 327 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 1: a light at the end of the tunnel. And also, honestly, 328 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: when you get to the fringes of theoretical physics, which 329 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 1: we're we're branching towards with this, When you get to 330 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: the fringes of this sort of this sort of mental exercise, 331 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: it becomes very close to uh, metaphysics and philosophy. Oh yeah, yeah, 332 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: because we can't explain it yet. The only reason it's 333 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 1: still magic is we can't explain the old Arthur C. 334 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: Clark quotations C Clark body all day. So there's a 335 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: problem with zero point energy, right, Yes. The problem is 336 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: that even if we can harness this energy and make 337 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: use of it somehow, it's seems to be so low energy. 338 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: The it's the lowest form currently that we can that 339 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: we know of energy that how is it going to 340 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: be useful? How are we going to be able to 341 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: harness enough of it to actually make an impact on 342 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: human life? Okay, and here we have another quotation. The 343 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,919 Speaker 1: zero point energy cannot be harnessed in the traditional sense. 344 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 1: The idea of zero point energy is that there is 345 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 1: a finite minimum amount of motion, or more accurately, kinetic 346 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 1: energy in all matter. Even at absolute zero again negative 347 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: to seventy three celsius. For example, chemical bonds continue to 348 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: vibrate in predictable ways, but releasing the energy of this 349 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 1: motion is impossible because then the molecule would be less, 350 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 1: left with less than the minimum amount that the laws 351 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: of quantum physics require it to have. That yeah, alright, 352 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 1: So so again we're stuck on the laws and the 353 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: you know, the the laws are there because is they're 354 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 1: the closest we have to an absolute right, um, And 355 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: I always say closest because it's almost impossible to be certain, right, yeah, 356 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:17,919 Speaker 1: we we we can always be ninety nine sure that 357 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 1: something is going to happen, but there's always that chance 358 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 1: that point oh oh yeah, um yeah, And here's here's 359 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 1: what's interesting. However, we do know that um, even the 360 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: iron clad laws may be completely revolutionized or reinterpreted in uh, 361 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 1: you know, in the span of our lifetimes. If we 362 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: look at how recent the human exploration of the physical 363 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 1: world is in in this sort of regard, and then 364 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 1: over the span of civilization, let alone, you know, the 365 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: span of Earth itself, not to mention the unit verse, 366 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: then this is a very recent understanding that that we're 367 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 1: trying to arrive at. And we know that there have 368 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: been other forms of alternative energy proposed that don't have 369 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: the same proof that ZPE has. Oh yeah, we we've 370 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,199 Speaker 1: looked at a couple of these. You might remember real energy, 371 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: which I love the R I l love. You might 372 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:28,679 Speaker 1: associate that with Nazis and the idea that there you know, 373 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 1: I guess it's just another word for kind of the 374 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: same thing, being able to pull energy from yeah, yeah, 375 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 1: to harness an energy that just exists there. And that 376 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,640 Speaker 1: goes back as well to that. That concept goes back 377 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:49,400 Speaker 1: as well to the two ancient Indian and Near Eastern 378 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: societies and legends of you know, aerial warfare on these 379 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: machines powered by some sort of my sterious anti gravity 380 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 1: sort in paint things of them, Yes, and we uh, 381 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: nat and I are going to probably be returning to 382 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 1: some Nazi stuff in the next few months. I just 383 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,679 Speaker 1: act surprised when it happened. Um. And then we we 384 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: also have talked about one of your favorites, right, Willem 385 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: Reich and the Oregon energy. Oh man, you can get 386 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: lost on YouTube watching videos about Oregon ology. Yeah if you. 387 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 1: The thing is, um that if you just focus your 388 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:38,120 Speaker 1: what what your sexual prowess in the in the appropriate 389 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 1: directions and when the appropriate mindset, then you too can 390 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,719 Speaker 1: change the world. Yeah can burst clouds, you can put 391 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: them back together. Um. But then it's lost, at least 392 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,439 Speaker 1: some of the recent videos I've watched, I've lost that 393 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: sexual part that was originally there in Willam Reich sing. 394 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: Now it's just about crystals and metals and arranging them 395 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 1: and resonants. Now we we also we should point out 396 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 1: that we have we have a video that touches on 397 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: real but we have some stuff just about Villa Reich 398 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: and if you want to, if you want to learn 399 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 1: more about that, those videos are a great starting point because, uh, 400 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: something really strange. We're not gonna tell you what in 401 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 1: this episode, but something very strange happens to him and 402 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 1: his research towards the end of his life. And it's 403 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 1: absolutely proven and it's not a secret. So you'll have 404 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: to hopefully go to our website something will want you know, 405 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: dot com or YouTube to check it out. Weird stuff 406 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: happens to people who are exploring new energy. That is true. 407 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: Now it's time for us to separate some fact and 408 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: some fiction here. So here's a fact. At this point, nobody, 409 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: and I mean nobody has satisfactorily reproduced this device or 410 00:26:55,000 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: a similar device at that we know of. Yes, public 411 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: nobody's publicly done that. And it should be noted that 412 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 1: many of the things we're talking about here come directly 413 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: from more A's books and writings, and several of them 414 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: are available online. So if you're interested in this stuff, 415 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 1: you want to learn more about it, you can actually 416 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: get more A's stuff, right. Yeah. The hish his most 417 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: popular book, I Think The Sea and Which Earth Floats? 418 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: Or Uh, it's something like that. We mentioned it specifically 419 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: in our video. Uh, that book itself is not available 420 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: to read for free online as far as I know, 421 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,880 Speaker 1: but he has several other shorter books that are um 422 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: based on lectures he gave that that do do address 423 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: this um The Patent Office has yet to award more 424 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 1: a successors, though from what we could find, they do 425 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 1: keep the patent UH current, so the application current. Rather 426 00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 1: so they have been trying to UH at this patent. 427 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: So here's a fact. One of the one of the 428 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: biggest topics here that we talked about earlier is technology 429 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:14,439 Speaker 1: suppression and it's a huge conspiracy, but it's also fact 430 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: because if you just think about the the monetary goals 431 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: and the consequences that would that would occur if someone 432 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: could bring out some kind of new, cheap, maybe even 433 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,719 Speaker 1: free energy that could be harnessed, the consequences to the economy, 434 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 1: to these massive businesses and corporations that own huge billions 435 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: and billions of dollars worth of steak that you know 436 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: there isn't free energy that you have to pay for 437 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: your energy somehow. Uh yeah, I I assue what you're saying. 438 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: The the the idea with this tech suppression stuff is 439 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 1: that the world's governing powers are actively working in concert 440 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: to suppress any techno oology that could topple the status quo. 441 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:06,479 Speaker 1: At a fascinating conversation with some folks about this a 442 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: long time ago, Matt um over at Georgia Tech and 443 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: the idea was you know, at this time, I was 444 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 1: I was pretty skeptical still of the idea of global 445 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: tech suppression. I can see it happening in some countries, 446 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: but not for extended period of time across the world. 447 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: And I was talking to this a friend of mine 448 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: who said that he believed it definitely does happen. And furthermore, 449 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 1: here's where he got weird. He said it should happen 450 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: because something as disruptive as free energy, you know, which 451 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: people are literally dying to pay for now, Uh, something 452 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: that fundamental to the current economic system becoming free. Being 453 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: out of that system would uh cripple economy. So people 454 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: that free power, but they wouldn't be able to get food, 455 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: or they wouldn't be able to find shelter. And while 456 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 1: I see that argument, I think that it is self 457 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: serving and shortsighted if this stuff is true. And that's 458 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 1: this This part, by the way, guys, is entirely my opinion. 459 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: But the concept is frightening, the concept that there would 460 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: be uh some group of interest that would rather the 461 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: world exists as a place of suffering, inequality and artificial 462 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: scarcity of resource is UM is just it's horrifying. I mean, 463 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 1: you know, it's not even a rain in hell versus 464 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 1: serve in heaven thing. It's a rain in hell versus 465 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:43,479 Speaker 1: be a regular person bright, Yeah, in a slightly better world. 466 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: So it's been alleged sence ancient times. You know, you 467 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: can read about people saying that the wheel was repressed 468 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: in some cultures. UM. Well, nowadays it's not that hard 469 00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: of a task to suppress technology because of our patent system. 470 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: If you control the patents, then you control the system, 471 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 1: you know, I mean in my eyes at least, especially 472 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 1: with some of these secretive patents that exist. Yeah, let's 473 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 1: jump in like that's what we should definitely end our 474 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 1: episode on here. So skeptics they say that there couldn't 475 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: be and I've been one of these before, they say 476 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 1: that there couldn't be a UM an effective suppression campaign 477 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: nowadays there are too many people that would be required 478 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: to keep this secret. And then also, if you were 479 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: one of these governing interests, wouldn't you want to monetize 480 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 1: the new tech? Wouldn't you want to UM make money? 481 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 1: And also, hey, be the guy who saves the world 482 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: or the lady who gets the Nobel Prize for completely 483 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: changing the world of physics. We um, I mean it's 484 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: a it's a really good point to make. People who 485 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,479 Speaker 1: support the idea of suppression would then note what happened 486 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: with Warncliffe Tower. But anyway, I just wanted to step 487 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 1: into paint the scene. Now. It's fine, that's really fine. 488 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: I didn't mean to jump to past. No no, no, no, Well, 489 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 1: tell me tell me what's up with tell me what's 490 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 1: up with patents, because this is something that we always 491 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: try to point out, you and I because a lot 492 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: of people don't know this, and everybody should know this. Okay, So, 493 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,239 Speaker 1: according to New Scientists UM, from two thousand eight, in 494 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: the year two thousand eight till the end of September 495 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: in that year, a total of sixty eight new U 496 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: S inventions were made secret, but only twenty two of 497 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: them against fifty three from the previous year, came from 498 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 1: what the U S Patent and Trademark Office calls John does. 499 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: These are a private US citizens who invent some kind 500 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,239 Speaker 1: of thing and then apply for a patent, you know, 501 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: like somebody makes them in their garage, like a true inventor. 502 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: And this is not just in the United States, technological 503 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: suppression is real. It is legal. You can get a 504 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: gag order if you invent something. So in fifteen NATO 505 00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: countries and also Australian New Zealand, if you and something 506 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: you can see, your invention become subject to government secrecy. 507 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: Often you might not ever see it again for any 508 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: useful time frame. And that's because if someone sees this 509 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: invention as a threat to national security, its publication is 510 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: legally suppressed until such a time as the threat is 511 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 1: deemed to have laps and right, you can't even tell 512 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: people that your invention has been suppressed. So, um, this 513 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: has this has some really interesting comparisons here. Um, if 514 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 1: we look at how many patents are under wraps that 515 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 1: we've we being um, the US the public, We've figured 516 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: out about how many have been applied and put under 517 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: this gag order stuff. Do you want to hear the number? 518 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: It's huge. Five thousand and two estimated patents that have 519 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: been kept under wraps. Five thousand in two possible huge 520 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 1: game changers. Okay, so, uh, Thomas Edison and about a 521 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 1: thousand patents, So that's uh, that's about five Thomas Edison's Yeah, 522 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 1: five Thomas Edison's worth of stuff of who knows what 523 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 1: it is. I can't tell you what it is, and 524 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: can't tell you what it is. Even the inventor can't 525 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 1: tell you what it is. Yeah, the inventor is the 526 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: one who will get in trouble. We could guess and 527 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 1: just get a talking to perhaps, So this so here 528 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 1: we are in two thousand and fourteen, and we know 529 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: that technology can be suppressed effectively. And when you know, 530 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 1: before we run off the rails and say that Uncle 531 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:52,800 Speaker 1: Sam is keeping the world in a dark age of 532 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 1: fossil fuels, well what we do have to realize is 533 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 1: that a lot of these patents could become secret because 534 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: somebody's stumbled upon something that DARPA or the n s 535 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: A was already working on. You know what, I have 536 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: to say that Uncle Sam is ge and Uncle Sam 537 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 1: is the energy company. You know, that's that's a that's 538 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: an interesting thing too, because I mean, yeah, well that's 539 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,280 Speaker 1: a that's a possibility that might be a story for 540 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 1: a later day or different podcasts. What do you think 541 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: we know that no matter what, regardless of whether Murray's uh, 542 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 1: whether Murray was a charlatan or a man ahead of 543 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 1: his time, we know that technology suppression is real, and 544 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 1: it's not just in the United States. It's all over 545 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 1: the world. Ah. I'm going to be thinking about this 546 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,399 Speaker 1: Murray guy in this machine for a while. I really 547 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 1: want to know. I want to know if something works. Yeah, 548 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,719 Speaker 1: it's interesting to wonder if somebody discovered some sort of 549 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 1: what if this is real, someone discovered a solid state 550 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: detector in their garage, applied for a patent, and they 551 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 1: legally cannot tell us about it. Uh, and what if 552 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,840 Speaker 1: they're one of many? You know? To me, that's this. 553 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 1: The weird thing is that it is possible, if not plausible, 554 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 1: that this thing, if it is reel, has been invented 555 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: multiple times and suppressed multiple times. Can you imagine being 556 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: at the patent office and going another one. Gosh, I 557 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,800 Speaker 1: wonder how many times they have to replace the patent 558 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:33,760 Speaker 1: office the Frederick device one day. One day, these people 559 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,799 Speaker 1: are just putting their last names on the same thing. 560 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,839 Speaker 1: I have to keep up hope, though, because it's so 561 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:42,399 Speaker 1: easy to spread information. Now, although you spread something like this, 562 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: you know the number of people that would just dismiss 563 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,840 Speaker 1: it outright and go, oh, it's a crazy person thinking 564 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,799 Speaker 1: they're doing this. Even if they truly was a revolutionary thing. 565 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 1: The hardcore skeptic, I mean, the hardcore skeptic inside of 566 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:59,279 Speaker 1: me might even say, yeah, that's crazy talk. Uh yeah, 567 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 1: but we we do know that at some point, uh, 568 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 1: some of these things can be revealed, and we just 569 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: don't know the timeline, you know. It's it's weird when 570 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:14,759 Speaker 1: you think about how many government secrets from the twenties 571 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:19,880 Speaker 1: and stuff remain classified. Dude, there really is in this case, 572 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 1: regardless of whether Murray's machine works, whether it's a hoax, 573 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 1: there really is stuff they don't want you to know. 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