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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I am excited today

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Speaker 1: He gave me a lot of advice when I was

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Speaker 1: the state of Michigan. He is the Oakland County Sheriff.

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Speaker 1: His name is Mike Bichard, and he oversees one of

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Speaker 1: to get to everything that's going on and how we

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Speaker 1: the ground. But first I want to give you a

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Speaker 1: that are going through all of this in Israel right now.

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Speaker 1: It's been about six months since the brutal attack by Hamas,

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Speaker 1: but as you know, this is an ongoing war and

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Speaker 1: our brothers and sisters in Israel need our help. Is

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Speaker 1: in October, the attacks on Israel have only increased, especially

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Speaker 1: Thank you, and now I want to bring you in.

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Speaker 1: Sheriff Bouchard, thank you so much for being here. With

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Speaker 1: us today, pleasure. You know, I've been watching what's going

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Speaker 1: on with these housebreak ins. I think we've all kind

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Speaker 1: of seen this across the country. We've really seen this

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Speaker 1: concern over what we think is Chilean gangs. And that's

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Speaker 1: to explain exactly what's going on. I think it's really

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Speaker 1: scary when you see this from the perspective of a homeowner. Gosh,

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Speaker 1: this could happen anywhere if it's happening in Oakland County.

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Speaker 1: So can you get into a little bit about what

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So we became aware of a spike in a

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Speaker 2: particular home burglary style a m as we call it

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Speaker 2: and we determined, through a lot of investigation and partnering

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Speaker 2: individuals and two different crews. One crew was focused on

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Speaker 2: robberies of jewelry stores. So they had done two robberies

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Speaker 2: All seven were from Chile.

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Speaker 1: So if they are are they seeking asylum? Are they

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Speaker 2: So the way these transnational gangs are operating. There's two

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Speaker 1: Is that program specific to Chile or is that other

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Speaker 2: Well? It's specific to Chile in this case, as they're

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Speaker 2: utilize the VWP as determined by our country. There are

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Speaker 2: into the country, got fake identities, had been highly highly trained,

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Speaker 1: Now, when they go into these homes, is this an

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Speaker 2: So yes to both. They try to do it when

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Speaker 2: they seem to be non confrontational. The Colombian transnational gangs

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Speaker 2: They're more than happy to be confrontational or even be armed.

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Speaker 2: So far the Chileans have fled. So they do a

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Speaker 2: in a variety of methodologies. Sometimes trail cam, sometimes tracker

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Speaker 1: So then you can do video camera still work or

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Speaker 1: how does that work?

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Speaker 2: Only if you've got hard wired equipment. So wow, these

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Speaker 2: jammers can jam a variety of frequencies. The more expensive

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Speaker 1: Wow. So this program, this VISA program, My understanding is

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Speaker 1: that there has been a congressman I believe, who is

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Speaker 2: A number of people have called to have it stopped,

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Speaker 2: and it's still ongoing obviously, you know. And the point

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Speaker 2: It just makes sure that this program, which is highly

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Speaker 2: abused and it's actually termed you can google it. They're tourists, burglars, tourists, criminals, tourist,

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Speaker 2: transnational gangs that are coming here with the intent of

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Speaker 2: violating the country on a variety of levels. And like

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Speaker 2: I said, it's all across the country. The last intelligence

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Speaker 2: estimate that I saw, just the Chilean gangs alone, which

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Speaker 1: continue next on the Tutor Dixon podcast. So you are

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Speaker 1: actually working nationwide. You've seen this in other states as well.

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Speaker 1: It's not just Michigan.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I tuned into it very quickly when I

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Speaker 2: they've been hammering Arizona lately. We know California is getting hammered, Virginia,

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Speaker 1: So you feel like you do have the support of

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Speaker 2: Well qualified, you know, the state and federal worker bees,

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Speaker 2: the state certainly, yes, the federal agencies, the agents and

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Speaker 1: So what do you think the answer is to getting

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Speaker 2: It's the ultimate answer. I mean, we're you know, literally

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Speaker 2: putting our finger in the dyke trying to stop a flood.

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Speaker 2: The ultimate answer is to stop it where it's coming from.

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Speaker 2: And it's coming two ways. It's either violating the VWP,

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Speaker 2: the visa waiver program, or it's coming illegally across the

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Speaker 2: southern border. Those are the two modalities. So obviously securing

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Speaker 2: the ways to stem the tide. Well, the other thing, ultimately,

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Speaker 2: we're going to have to work with our partners, the

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Speaker 2: figure out where these people are being so highly trained.

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Speaker 2: I mean basically it's like operating a terrorist training camp

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Speaker 2: they're being trained very well somewhere where, and how can

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Speaker 2: we put a stop to that? Collectively?

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Speaker 1: Where are they staying when they come? Do you have

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Speaker 1: staying in hotels?

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Speaker 2: sometimes it's hotels, sometimes it's the Airbnb. We know because

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Speaker 2: of COVID, a lot of apartment complexes changed all of

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Speaker 2: their application to an online so they use false ID,

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Speaker 2: they do applications to an apartment, and they get it

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Speaker 2: as they run it for a period of time, they

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Speaker 2: You know, it can be in a variety of places

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Speaker 2: because they are so very trangent.

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Speaker 1: Is this new from those years or have you seen

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Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I like that you're doing a

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Speaker 2: in conversations or try to teach them. Not your job.

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Speaker 2: Your job is to leave and get out of that situation.

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Speaker 2: So you have to have second layer conversations with your

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Speaker 2: kids about what to do if they find themselves in

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Speaker 2: unsafe situations. And that's just not firearms, that's you know.

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Speaker 2: I had that conversation with my kids about if they

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Speaker 2: are driving somewhere to a party and the drive were

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Speaker 2: of their car started drinking, don't rely on them for

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Speaker 2: a drive home again. Call me or someone, no questions asked,

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Speaker 2: will come get you. You know, what do you do

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Speaker 2: when you find yourself in these situations. Those are conversations

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Speaker 2: parents have to have in advance. But sometimes parents are

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Speaker 2: so busy and they don't live in the world I

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Speaker 2: live in where I see tragedy every day, So they

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Speaker 2: may not think about these things. And that's why these

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Speaker 2: educational outreaches and these town halls are important for them

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Speaker 2: to go. Oh my gosh, I never thought about that.

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Speaker 2: I got to sit down with my son or daughter

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Speaker 2: and talk to them about this, that or the other.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, these are great PSAs because I mean, life is busy.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes we don't think about that one other thing I

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Speaker 1: want to hit before I let you go. In Michigan,

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Speaker 1: we are in the top five for rapes per capita.

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Speaker 1: You are the rape kits generally go to your lab.

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Speaker 1: But you have told me in the past that if

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Speaker 1: go so after these people, then you think we could

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Speaker 1: even reduce that number of rapes in the state. What

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Speaker 1: do you think it would take to protect women and

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Speaker 1: put more safeguards around women in the state.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that. You know, that's an important topic

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Speaker 2: to have resources put behind what you find is a problem.

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Speaker 2: And for me, you know, I have seen sexual assault

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Speaker 2: is one of the big problems. Going back early in

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Speaker 2: as a very very young police officer, and later the

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Speaker 2: Oakan County rapist, and it's part of what drove me

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Speaker 2: in my short stint in politics when I was a

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Speaker 2: state senator to write the Sex Offender Registry Act, then

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Speaker 2: to be very involved in victim rights legislation, because there

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Speaker 2: are so many things that could and should be done

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Speaker 2: for the victims of these crimes that I didn't see

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Speaker 2: being done, and to this day, I still don't see

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Speaker 2: some of the attention to that. That's part of why

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Speaker 2: I started a DNA crime lab here so that we

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Speaker 2: could give a quicker turnaround. You know, the state police

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Speaker 2: do a great job, but again they're under resource, like

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Speaker 2: everybody in public safety, and we had submitted a DNA

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Speaker 2: one case to get the results, and in the meantime

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Speaker 2: there were two more victims. And so that's when I

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Speaker 2: decided that I was going to try to hold that

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Speaker 2: destiny in our own hands, to help our victims have

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Speaker 2: a quicker turnaround, and to prioritize things as we needed

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Speaker 2: in house, and so we started our own DNA lab

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Speaker 2: and have. Now we're a bit backloged, but it's certainly

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Speaker 2: not those kinds of timelines. But if we had more resources,

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Speaker 2: I think we would be backloged.

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Speaker 1: I think it's one of those things that people don't

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Speaker 1: think about when we talk about defunding the police and

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Speaker 1: taking resources away, that you are actually preventing crimes from happening,

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Speaker 1: because those labs, that those resources, they show you who

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Speaker 1: it is and who's going to do it again. And

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Speaker 1: that's something that I think is critical for us as

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Speaker 1: we move forward as a country and certainly as a state,

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Speaker 1: that we say we've got to get away from this

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Speaker 1: mindset that we take money away from the people who

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Speaker 1: protect us, because I really feel like that is the

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Speaker 1: number one fundamental of government. You want a government that

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Speaker 1: provides public safety, and I can't think of anything more

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Speaker 1: important than making sure that predators who are out there

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Speaker 1: are stopped before they can hurt another person.

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent. We're investigating a criminal sexual conduct last night,

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Speaker 2: and we now believe at least two or three other

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Speaker 2: victims of young age from the same perpetrator. You'll find

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Speaker 2: typically a perpetrator once they become comfortable in whatever they're

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Speaker 2: doing begins to accelerate.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate everything that you do every day. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much. You're always out there talking about it too.

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Speaker 1: And these PSAs tell us when you are going to

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Speaker 1: have the town.

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Speaker 2: Hall, well, town hall on Fentanyls actually tonight and then

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Speaker 2: tonight next month, we plan on doing town hall on

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Speaker 2: high and burglaries and home safety. And we're going to

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Speaker 2: do that in conjunction with the realtors because last time

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Speaker 2: realtors are in homes and they're concerned too.

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Speaker 1: Wonderful. All right, well, we will keep our audience posted

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Speaker 1: of when you're doing that, and we appreciate everything you do.

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Speaker 1: Sheriff Mike Bouchard from Oakland County, Michigan, thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thanks for having.

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Speaker 1: Me absolutely and thank you all for joining us on

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Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. For this episode and others, go

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Speaker 1: Have a blessed day,