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Speaker 1: training live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the
Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Says here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons,
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips and Bill Jones. What's up, Cowboys Nation? Welcome
Speaker 1: into Talking Cowboys, the final Talking Cowboys of the off season.
Speaker 1: The next time you guys join us, we'll be a
Speaker 1: training camp in Oxyard, California, late July. So things are
Speaker 1: winding up here for the off season program. Three day
Speaker 1: minicamp here at the Star starting up today Tuesday through Thursday,
Speaker 1: and then the players are off and we are kind
Speaker 1: of off as a group. Definitely is a show after
Speaker 1: this week wraps up. Rob Phillips hosting for Bill Jones.
Speaker 1: He'll probably join us here pretty soon. Temporarily. Yeah, temporarily.
Speaker 1: I'll get out. He'll kick me out of the chair soon.
Speaker 1: Mickey Spagnola, Brian brought us Kike Garrison producing next door.
Speaker 1: Good morning, gentlemen, traffic. He got stuck in traffic. It's
Speaker 1: a long way from South wake Well. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of land mines along the way. Construction. Well I heard this,
Speaker 1: how about this one for a good one? This morning
Speaker 1: on I thirty five coming south oh through Denton. Okay,
Speaker 1: it was a thirty minute backup because of rocks on
Speaker 1: the road. Sure, so when he fit, some truck just
Speaker 1: dumped the rocks that they were going landscaping with. I
Speaker 1: don't know, what do you think, Brian? Cowboys? Cowboys? Cowboys?
Speaker 1: Time lost? There's a lot of red lights out too,
Speaker 1: there are there are? Mick, All right, let's roll. You
Speaker 1: have electricity. I'm good, I'm good on our crusity. Cowboys
Speaker 1: good good? Are you trying to derail the show or
Speaker 1: are you trying to let people know why Bill's not here?
Speaker 1: He's fine, he's fine. He'll be here in a minute.
Speaker 1: But I don't know if we'll talk football by the
Speaker 1: time he gets here. Let's get to it, all right,
Speaker 1: Final Mini Camp. We've seen nine OTAs. We've seen three, well,
Speaker 1: we've seen three. They've had nine OTAs over three weeks, yes,
Speaker 1: three per week. What's your biggest takeaway from what they've
Speaker 1: accomplished so far? And knowing that they're not in pads
Speaker 1: and knowing that they're still in installation and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: What have you seen that you like, maybe something that
Speaker 1: you still need to see when you get to docks
Speaker 1: near um. I think I'll stick with my answer that
Speaker 1: I've had for the last two weeks, and I think
Speaker 1: they've improved their team speed and I think it's pretty
Speaker 1: obvious offense defense guys that can do things on special teams,
Speaker 1: and I think that's a step in the in the
Speaker 1: right direction. So from an overall standpoint, not having seen
Speaker 1: anything but a helmet on, nobody's been tackled or blocked
Speaker 1: to the ground or anything. I think that's the one
Speaker 1: thing that stood out to me. As Sanjay Law said
Speaker 1: told us last week, this is one of the wide
Speaker 1: receivers coach, one of the toughest competitions he's seen. And
Speaker 1: he's been in the league twelve years, mostly as a
Speaker 1: receiver's coach, and he said, quote, there's speed all over
Speaker 1: the place, and that's his position. But not only not
Speaker 1: just the wide receiver. Look at running back. Look how
Speaker 1: well the tight ends run. Look at some of the
Speaker 1: new guys they added on defense, the Carrie hiders and
Speaker 1: guys that can move, and even you know what they
Speaker 1: did with the defensive backs. The guys they've added, you know,
Speaker 1: Donovan Wilson's a safety, but he runs like a corner
Speaker 1: to me, so I think the team speed overall. If
Speaker 1: once you can continue run that fast when you're getting
Speaker 1: hit or you're supposed to hit U then I think
Speaker 1: that's a that's a great improvement. They've gone from receiver
Speaker 1: by committee to be one of the greatest groups he's
Speaker 1: ever coached. How about that? That shows you how far
Speaker 1: off they were. Yeah, I mean that's it. It shows
Speaker 1: you the addition that you know, with what they've done
Speaker 1: with like Mickey's talking about with Cooper during the season,
Speaker 1: Randall Cobb. Randall Cobb to me looks like he's been
Speaker 1: with Dak Prescott for three years now, the way they're
Speaker 1: kind of connecting. I noticed the ball with him going
Speaker 1: down the field. You know it's it's some underneath stuff,
Speaker 1: but it's down the field. Throws too, Randall Cobb, he
Speaker 1: has that ability to get down the field and you
Speaker 1: can see him down the field. You can see him
Speaker 1: down the field. I that's that's been the most impressive
Speaker 1: thing that I've noticed. I think the thing that takeaway
Speaker 1: that I have I think they're I think they have
Speaker 1: to be nervous and this is I don't mean to
Speaker 1: be wet blanket guy, but just my observation as as
Speaker 1: a former personnel man, I would be nervous about this.
Speaker 1: I would be nervous about all the depth and competition
Speaker 1: that I've created, but I'm not sure about my backup quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen one of them really take the bull
Speaker 1: by the horns. And that's where I think when we
Speaker 1: get to Oxnard and every day and practices and meetings
Speaker 1: and games, that we will see hopefully that one of
Speaker 1: these guys emerges. I think backup quarterback is a very
Speaker 1: underrated part of your team. But just think about it again,
Speaker 1: this organization has been very fortunate last several last three
Speaker 1: years to play with a indestructible quarterback. He plays a
Speaker 1: game of physical style. He gets hit, he runs around,
Speaker 1: he delivers, blows themselves. He's tough inside the five yard
Speaker 1: line running. But I think this one of those spots
Speaker 1: that can derail your team quickly, more quickly than anything.
Speaker 1: And I think that if there was a concern that
Speaker 1: I have going in is who is going to be
Speaker 1: my backup quarterback? Because I don't want this to be
Speaker 1: something where I've planned and done all these wonderful things
Speaker 1: to get this roster in a good shape, but then
Speaker 1: not be able to have somebody And is it one
Speaker 1: of these guys or is it we're going to have
Speaker 1: to spend some money on a veteran guy to be
Speaker 1: a caretaker as they progressed through this season. Your point's
Speaker 1: well taken, because excuse me, can they, with their numbers
Speaker 1: and with the depth they have across the roster keep
Speaker 1: three quarterbacks? And if they only keep two, you know
Speaker 1: they kept two in the past, going back a decade
Speaker 1: or so, when Romo was the quarterback they had, they
Speaker 1: had one backup right, correct me if I'm wrong, and
Speaker 1: it was Kittna. They were veteran guys that they were
Speaker 1: they were comfortable with that had done it in the league, Kittena,
Speaker 1: Kyle Orton, Brandon Whedon And so would you be comfortable
Speaker 1: going with just one young guy behind Dak and I, Mick,
Speaker 1: I kind of look at it a little bit like
Speaker 1: the running back all this talk we had leading up
Speaker 1: to the draft. You know what happens if something happens
Speaker 1: to Zeke? Well, Zeke never misses a snap, but what
Speaker 1: if something does? Yeah, you got don't you have to
Speaker 1: look at the same to the same prison as Dak
Speaker 1: even though he's never missed a snap dude injury. I
Speaker 1: don't think the problem is you've kind of boxed yourself
Speaker 1: into a corner at this point. I mean, what's out
Speaker 1: there all right? And now, having said that, there's gonna
Speaker 1: be more out there at some point with the quarterbacks
Speaker 1: that were drafted, so it's teams are gonna cut somebody
Speaker 1: that Connor Cook got let go yesterday. I think that's
Speaker 1: a guy and I know that, yeah, that's a guy
Speaker 1: that got That's a guy that they liked it. And actually,
Speaker 1: if you look at their draft board, they had Connor
Speaker 1: Cook above Dak Prescott on their draft. They were trying
Speaker 1: to get them right. There's a list of a small
Speaker 1: list of guys leading up to the fourth round. There'll
Speaker 1: be some other guys get cut along the way. But again,
Speaker 1: you know, oh xfl XFLFL. I love that song, though,
Speaker 1: kent that excuse me? Yeah? You know the thing about
Speaker 1: though to your point, Robert, I think that when you
Speaker 1: look at running back, it's an easier position to plug
Speaker 1: in and player and play. Sure. I think that you know,
Speaker 1: the the James Connors of the world, and people like
Speaker 1: that that have stepped in and played for a big
Speaker 1: time run. Is it the same. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: sit here and blow smoke up your rear and act
Speaker 1: like it is. That's not That's not what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to do here. I just think that you're better equipped
Speaker 1: to you know, I feel like that. Yeah, Okay, let's
Speaker 1: let's see, Paula, let's see where. Let's see. Jackson's been
Speaker 1: the guy all the practices that we've watched. You know,
Speaker 1: Jackson has been kind of a forgotten guy. And if
Speaker 1: you talk to Jackson in the locker room, which everybody
Speaker 1: in this room has, he'll tell you. He goes, hey,
Speaker 1: this is the best I've felt. So is it? Is
Speaker 1: it the most ideal situation? Can you can you get
Speaker 1: by with having receivers and DAK and a backup running back?
Speaker 1: I think you might be better equipped to handle that
Speaker 1: than you are having to play with a backup quarterback
Speaker 1: that you really don't know. I have more questions, This
Speaker 1: is crazy. I have more questions about the quarterback that
Speaker 1: I do the running back, just because I think I
Speaker 1: think you could plug and play well. Yeah, and there's
Speaker 1: also opportunity to play another back. You can spell seek
Speaker 1: within the offense. You can't sit Dak Prescott down. And
Speaker 1: to your point, how many Pro Bowl running backs this
Speaker 1: year were third, fourth round or later. I think Philip
Speaker 1: Lindsay was undrafted. I mean absolutely, you can find guys
Speaker 1: in the day two or three. It's not perfect. It's
Speaker 1: not perfect, but it's the one position where you feel
Speaker 1: like you can play a guy that has no experience
Speaker 1: and make it work. You know, if you have the
Speaker 1: offensive line, if you have the receivers, if you have
Speaker 1: the quarterback to be able to move the team the
Speaker 1: way that Dak Prescott can. So do you want to
Speaker 1: see what these guys do or do you want to
Speaker 1: bring in somebody right away? I start training camps. I'm
Speaker 1: willing to. I'm willing and I'm not gonna say rule
Speaker 1: the dice because it's not a dice role. It's just
Speaker 1: a straight evaluation. I'm gonna say, Okay, I'm gonna look
Speaker 1: at this. I'm gonna look at three. You know, they're
Speaker 1: gonna have plenty of games to play. The preseason games
Speaker 1: they got four of them. Ye, it's got some good
Speaker 1: competition they're going to play. You know, the San Francisco
Speaker 1: defense will be better uh, playing the Rams. You know,
Speaker 1: the Rams always give their defense their rosters better, so
Speaker 1: you will see these guys compete against good defenses and
Speaker 1: to be able to evaluate from there. And I'm okay
Speaker 1: with I'm okay with the mccounts, you know, or that
Speaker 1: type of player. But to be honest with you, again,
Speaker 1: Kaepernick's a whole nother thing. But I'm just saying that
Speaker 1: to me, I'm willing to give Mike White and Cooper
Speaker 1: Rush an opportunity in workouts to prove to me that
Speaker 1: they can be the number two guy and and be
Speaker 1: if something were to happen that I feel good enough like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is who we're gonna go play with, and this
Speaker 1: is how we're going to win games and have that plan.
Speaker 1: Because the last time we went through this and they
Speaker 1: brought somebody in right mid stream, right, I don't want
Speaker 1: to hear the bs about well, he wasn't here, he
Speaker 1: didn't know the system. Who was the guy? Who was
Speaker 1: the guy that they brought in midstream? Oh? Why are
Speaker 1: you staring at me? I was tried. I was trying
Speaker 1: to buy myself some time to think of his name.
Speaker 1: The guy they brought in from New England castle or two.
Speaker 1: That's a euphemism for it. The guy sucks that, you know,
Speaker 1: he is not wrong about that. You laugh, I know,
Speaker 1: but delivery was great. No, no, no, no, but he's
Speaker 1: not wrong. I mean, you gotta want to hear that,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to hear well normally, Yeah,
Speaker 1: is he playing? Let me ask you that, Vicky if
Speaker 1: and I mean this in all sinceria, I'm not trying to,
Speaker 1: but do you feel like they need to bring a guy?
Speaker 1: Do you feel like they need a well McCown now
Speaker 1: even well, because if you say you're gonna bring a
Speaker 1: count in, that just tells me that you don't think
Speaker 1: that Cooper Rush or Mike White can play. I think
Speaker 1: I think at this point, since you've rode this train
Speaker 1: this far, you got to kind of see it through
Speaker 1: a little bit more sure. And then if it's a
Speaker 1: veteran guy, you know, if you got the right guy,
Speaker 1: and obviously you're not bringing in Nick Foles, right, but
Speaker 1: you would hope. Yeah, he should be able to adapt.
Speaker 1: If he can still play right, if he can play
Speaker 1: better than these young guys, then he should be able
Speaker 1: to by There's some questions if Nick Foles could play,
Speaker 1: Remember that week's seventeen game against Dallas good luck. Yeah
Speaker 1: it was. It was, didn't Peterson say? Get ready? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know the thing once they get to the playoffs
Speaker 1: and if they were to make a move for a
Speaker 1: veteran quarterback back up. And let's let's also remember when
Speaker 1: he got to the playoffs that first game to score
Speaker 1: fifteen points. Yeah, it took a goal line stop basically
Speaker 1: to get him get one down because he recovered a
Speaker 1: botched fumble at the one yard line. Yeah, well this
Speaker 1: is an aside. But they, to me it was coaching.
Speaker 1: I mean, they made him comfortable. They they implemented some
Speaker 1: zone read stuff and it got him rolling a little bit.
Speaker 1: Rams did a great job with their guy. That guy
Speaker 1: looked like if it was one more year for that guy,
Speaker 1: he might have not golf might not. But but yeah,
Speaker 1: Mickey's points, Well, man, I I just kind of I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be the wet blanket guy. But
Speaker 1: there's so many there's so many good positive things about
Speaker 1: this roster that in so many nice little battles and
Speaker 1: things that you could you could focus on. And if
Speaker 1: if the football gods smile on him through training camp
Speaker 1: and and and go through without serious problems, then you
Speaker 1: know it'll be it'll be fun to see. But if
Speaker 1: you if you ask me, what's my biggest concern just
Speaker 1: evaluation going in, that would be the one position that
Speaker 1: I would worry about the most. Well, to Mickey's point,
Speaker 1: they did try Castle. They tried Sanchez still out there,
Speaker 1: but it didn't. It didn't leave him out there too.
Speaker 1: It didn't work, and so and it worked with Dak,
Speaker 1: and so they're trying to use this philosophy of develop
Speaker 1: behind him. They got to see if it works. As
Speaker 1: of three weeks ago, they said what we heard basically
Speaker 1: was these guys need to work. Dak needs reps. Right,
Speaker 1: let's just let them. We don't need a fourth guy
Speaker 1: right now. Right, Well, the gods have just smiled on
Speaker 1: us too. Did you guys need showers? Back to quarterback.
Speaker 1: I put in the mail bag last week that I
Speaker 1: always thought he had a little something there, would you?
Speaker 1: Would you? And then sixteen we had him ahead of
Speaker 1: ahead of Prescott going into training camp. See that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, you know, if you were to mean yourself,
Speaker 1: but you know, but but showers make He made some places,
Speaker 1: been making a couple of plays here and there. You know,
Speaker 1: he's the guys I'm saying, he's been you know, he's
Speaker 1: been on the same plan as the injured guys, as
Speaker 1: those veteran guys where he practices two times and sits out.
Speaker 1: One told me he should be good to go for
Speaker 1: day one a camp. That's the goal. See now full go.
Speaker 1: He has to feel like that, you know what, he's
Speaker 1: out of practice, squad availability. How long can you stay
Speaker 1: on the prods? Is he done? He's done, he's he's like,
Speaker 1: he's back now he is, he's he is a he's
Speaker 1: a red shirt senior and he's what if you graduate,
Speaker 1: do you get another year? Yeah, he's a graduate transfer.
Speaker 1: He's not in the transfer portal either. But you know
Speaker 1: it's yeah, you can't. But if you needed a fourth
Speaker 1: quarterback at camp, that'd be hard to jerk him around
Speaker 1: like that, wouldn't it and send him back. You know,
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore is you're and John Kittney he's fourth and
Speaker 1: fifth quarterbacks. But if you think about you think about here,
Speaker 1: that's never happened, right there's fourth, third, and six right there.
Speaker 1: That's a tough transition back to QB though, don't you think, well,
Speaker 1: he's the fourth guy. Yeah. I mean he again, he's
Speaker 1: out of he's out of his you know what, to
Speaker 1: do him a favor that maybe he can get on
Speaker 1: with another team or maybe make this team. Just let him.
Speaker 1: We're having Jamille Showers talk. We're and cowboys. You're in trouble.
Speaker 1: If that's your savior, that's all. No. No, I was
Speaker 1: just saying though about a guy that that if you were,
Speaker 1: if you were honestly looking for a guy, if you
Speaker 1: said okay instead of bringing somebody in, you know, and
Speaker 1: you and you want the other two to get all
Speaker 1: the reps. That's that's how That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you the rains bill. But we were discussing, No,
Speaker 1: you can you can keep no you know, did you
Speaker 1: have a flat tire? No? I had to traffic issues.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was a stalemate on one twenty one
Speaker 1: North this morning, a stalemates. It was a parking lot there, yep,
Speaker 1: at Carlton Parkway at one twenty one. You can go
Speaker 1: check it if you'd like. Bicky how he will. It's amazing, though,
Speaker 1: how one little traffic accident can stop one lane on
Speaker 1: it destroys everybody's morning. I mean, there are so many
Speaker 1: people late for work this morning, so you leave early.
Speaker 1: I left it ways hour early. Best step ever. I
Speaker 1: knew I could. I knew it was covering. But what
Speaker 1: you get once you get to that point, it's going
Speaker 1: to take just as long going around Cowboy? Oh god?
Speaker 1: All right, back on the road. So what about you? Huh?
Speaker 1: What was what I told you last week? Speed? Okay?
Speaker 1: Stuck out to me. What do you have? Ro? I
Speaker 1: actually don't know the question, but no, it's good, good, good.
Speaker 1: We were discussing what's what's a takeaway from from OTA's
Speaker 1: And now we get into minicamp here, which is pretty
Speaker 1: much the same structure as we've seen, also a different name. Yeah,
Speaker 1: pretty much? What else? And for three days straight that
Speaker 1: we get to actually watch what do you need to see? Still,
Speaker 1: when they get to Oxnard and Brian said, backup quarterback
Speaker 1: based on what we've seen so far, and one more thing.
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about that and I'll answer
Speaker 1: your question. But yeah, better Mike White what he's he's
Speaker 1: the younger guy. Have you seen more from him? That's
Speaker 1: the problem? No, No, you have no, I haven't. I
Speaker 1: haven't seen no improvement. And so I haven't seen very
Speaker 1: He looks very similar to Mike White that last year.
Speaker 1: I was hopeful that he would go out there and
Speaker 1: pitch it around and move the team. It was. To
Speaker 1: be honest, I was glad to see Jason Garrett. The
Speaker 1: last time we got to watch practice. Jason Garrett basically
Speaker 1: pulled the huddle back and said, hey, you're in charge
Speaker 1: of this. You know, you're the one that running this,
Speaker 1: You're the quarterback. Step up and be the quarter you know.
Speaker 1: He got on him a little bit and I and
Speaker 1: I was like, thank god, you know, somebody waked this
Speaker 1: kid up, because if you watched him playing great opportunity
Speaker 1: sitting in he does. He does. And that's what worries
Speaker 1: me a little bit. That Mike White that was, you know,
Speaker 1: Western Kentucky Mike White is not the same Mike White
Speaker 1: that I'm seeing here with the Dallas Cowboys, and that
Speaker 1: that and I gave him last year. I understand that,
Speaker 1: but I'm kind of seeing some of the same things
Speaker 1: that I saw with Mike White last year. Those are
Speaker 1: the concerns with coming out of that system in college.
Speaker 1: You know, you just really don't know for sure or
Speaker 1: what you've got and whether it's Mike White, whether it's whoever,
Speaker 1: it might be going back since since that offense came
Speaker 1: into the college football. You just don't know what you have,
Speaker 1: right for sure. You know, it is the hardest position
Speaker 1: to evaluate, and I'll stay on that track, Mickey, Okay,
Speaker 1: my answer is maybe kind of obvious. Dak Prescott, this
Speaker 1: is to me the best stretch of OTA's now four
Speaker 1: years now with him four offseasons that I've seen him
Speaker 1: have in terms of you know, we got a question
Speaker 1: yesterday about accuracy, just his command. I get that it's
Speaker 1: not totally live, but he just seems extremely comfortable. He
Speaker 1: has been accurate at all levels of the field. We've
Speaker 1: seen him make throws deep, intermediate, short, There's just a
Speaker 1: comfort level that you see, and I wonder how much
Speaker 1: of it is just a more stable receiving corps. That's
Speaker 1: what I wonder, you know, because I just made the list,
Speaker 1: you know, last year. I mean, these guys were vying
Speaker 1: not only to make the team, but to be top
Speaker 1: targets for him. Postez Deante Thompson, Tavon Austin, Michael Gallup,
Speaker 1: Alan Hearns. He didn't know any of these guys, Plus
Speaker 1: he had three four tight ends that really hadn't done
Speaker 1: much in the league other than Jeff Swain. It's just
Speaker 1: a better, more experienced group. And now he's also got
Speaker 1: time on task with a Pro Bowl receiver that they
Speaker 1: got at mid season last year, not not it's been
Speaker 1: night and day for sure. And how much do you
Speaker 1: think it helps him even and Brian when you look
Speaker 1: when he's able to study his receivers and what they're
Speaker 1: comfortable doing, Like he's got an Amari Cooper and he's
Speaker 1: got four years worth of NFL stuff on tape from
Speaker 1: him that he can actually look at him and see
Speaker 1: and how that translates even to practice and North Randall
Speaker 1: Cobb coming in here. I think it's just it increases
Speaker 1: his confidence level with these guys. Plus he's now got
Speaker 1: a full year working with Michael Gallup and and that's
Speaker 1: my big takeaway too what I've seen, it looks like
Speaker 1: he is playing with a confidence and too, well, those
Speaker 1: guys know what they're doing, that they got a year
Speaker 1: under their belt, and you know that the receiver is
Speaker 1: going to be in a certain spot. That's what I'm
Speaker 1: played half the season last year with two tight ends
Speaker 1: who hadn't played in the National Football League. No thanks
Speaker 1: about that, that's right, And then Rico and everybody goes silent. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, look at and yeah, look who you
Speaker 1: were playing last year at this time without Cooper. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: they just they consciously went with that receiver by committee
Speaker 1: last offseason and then the went and thinks surprised them
Speaker 1: basically around draft time. I don't know if they really
Speaker 1: thought he was gonna hang it up and then he did.
Speaker 1: Can I ask the question of the group, why do
Speaker 1: you think they went receiver by committee? What? What do
Speaker 1: you think Do you think that there was so much
Speaker 1: confidence in Dak that Dad could make these receivers or
Speaker 1: is it like well, just like Rob said, he needs
Speaker 1: SI to be the other way. Well, at the time,
Speaker 1: I'll just jump out. At the time, you know, you
Speaker 1: didn't know Travis Frederick was going to miss the season, right,
Speaker 1: And I think you might have felt like, all right,
Speaker 1: we got a strong offensive line, We've got Zeke, we've
Speaker 1: got pieces around him, we're gonna run the ball, we're
Speaker 1: gonna pound it, and we can somebody will emerge, you know.
Speaker 1: I think they got put in that position because of
Speaker 1: the delay on the Dez decision. You know, because it
Speaker 1: was mid April before they made the decision to release Dez,
Speaker 1: and so your pass free agency, and so you had
Speaker 1: no other alternative at that point but to go receiver
Speaker 1: by committee. I mean, they flirted with Sammy Watkins, you know,
Speaker 1: and and and maybe they would have made the They
Speaker 1: probably would have cut ties with Dez if they had
Speaker 1: gotten the deal done with Watkins if they wanted, you know,
Speaker 1: if they which could have been in March, and then
Speaker 1: you would have had a number one receiver basically, you know,
Speaker 1: and you wouldn't have But I get I think the
Speaker 1: bigger question is why was there the delay on the
Speaker 1: Dez decision, you know, and which which I think made
Speaker 1: it by by making it mid April. What's out there now?
Speaker 1: You gotta go receiver by committee now, So you think
Speaker 1: that you're saying this the the lack of movement on
Speaker 1: Dez was the reason why they went by committee. I
Speaker 1: want to believe that they thought that Dak was going
Speaker 1: to be able to carry that group. That's kind of
Speaker 1: where I think that. Yeah, and then you brought up
Speaker 1: the offensive line, the running back. They didn't expect about
Speaker 1: the tide end and but it they didn't have enough
Speaker 1: pieces in place. Okay, when we got to the season open,
Speaker 1: has end Witten both or the first couple of games
Speaker 1: name mean and don't include Beasley in there? The starting
Speaker 1: two wide receivers. Let's carry it over. We're five minutes later.
Speaker 1: I don't give you time to think. Yeah, because you
Speaker 1: can't think about it. And yeah, that's your point. That's right,
Speaker 1: that's your point. Yeah, and Bill Jones will jump back
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Speaker 1: We're talking cowboys. We were talking NBA Finals during the break,
Speaker 1: but we don't need to carry that over to talking
Speaker 1: cowboys because about hockey. This nella, Yeah, you get games
Speaker 1: seven on Wednesday night in Boston. Cowboys and the Rangers
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Speaker 1: But we're talking Cowboys and it's mini camps and it
Speaker 1: is the first day of the mini camp to Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,
Speaker 1: and then it's about us. Well, it's right at a
Speaker 1: six week break before the start of training camp in Oxnard,
Speaker 1: California on July twenty fifth, which is a Thursday. The
Speaker 1: Cowboys will be flying out to Oxnard, so it'll be
Speaker 1: six weeks to the day. Task a real quick question. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll try and make it quick. If if you knew,
Speaker 1: this six week period always makes me worried. I appreciate
Speaker 1: the time that we can go and do things. Hold
Speaker 1: your breath exactly, if would you as covering this team,
Speaker 1: would you rather have the vacation time on the front end,
Speaker 1: for example, like a post draft, and then start the
Speaker 1: OTAs in mini camps, to where you only have like
Speaker 1: a two week break or one week break before training
Speaker 1: camp before we have to go. I wonder if the
Speaker 1: coaches would like that. Are you asking me from a
Speaker 1: personal standpoint or if I was a coach, I carry both.
Speaker 1: If you like carry both, I just as I'm again
Speaker 1: my experience, I would I would personally rather have the
Speaker 1: break after the draft. If you told me we could start,
Speaker 1: I would take the month of May off. There you go.
Speaker 1: I'm totally on board with that because because the way
Speaker 1: it's set up now, and it's nice for us to
Speaker 1: have this time coming up but in May. But as
Speaker 1: a team, exactly, you're not starting over when you get
Speaker 1: to camp, but you're not grinding like you've been for
Speaker 1: ten weeks's straight. And then these guys, these guys are
Speaker 1: technically on vacation obviously gonna train on their own. But
Speaker 1: are they well, I mean and someone will, Yeah, they will,
Speaker 1: someone will, but but it's not the same. It's not
Speaker 1: the same to me. I would I would rather see
Speaker 1: the players get more of a break. I think. I
Speaker 1: think if you had them, if you gave them more
Speaker 1: of a break after the season, an extra month after
Speaker 1: the season, and then started your workouts and things like that,
Speaker 1: like Mickey set after mate, they started June first, whatever,
Speaker 1: and then take all the way of all June and
Speaker 1: then all of July two weeks before training, Yes, six weeks.
Speaker 1: Go six weeks of these OTAs or me or working
Speaker 1: out whatever you want to do. And then when you
Speaker 1: get okay, we're going to report July twenty fifth, Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll give them off, you know, break on July sixteenth,
Speaker 1: and we've got ten days off and then boom, everybody's back.
Speaker 1: But then you don't lose that everything that you've gained.
Speaker 1: These guys are a great athlete. It's no question. I mean,
Speaker 1: you can't be a bad athlete and play in this league.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that I think you're susceptible to injury.
Speaker 1: Taking the six weeks off and then showing up for
Speaker 1: a camp where you go hammer down, you know. And
Speaker 1: that's where I think that's why they have to take
Speaker 1: it easy the fact at the beginning of question. Otherwise
Speaker 1: you could just transition right in, Yeah, you've done all
Speaker 1: this work to get in shape, and then you say, okay,
Speaker 1: six weeks weeks. What would you do prior to May? Nothing?
Speaker 1: What about because basically the way it is right it
Speaker 1: is right now the organized offseason stuff starts April fifteenth.
Speaker 1: It goes until basically June fifteenth, so it's a two
Speaker 1: month period the right. So how about doing the April
Speaker 1: two weeks whatever it might be, three weeks leading up
Speaker 1: to the to May first, take May off, then do
Speaker 1: June you know, to where. But the only problem with
Speaker 1: that is then you're spending all of June getting guys
Speaker 1: in shape. Where you did it from the beginning of April, Yeah,
Speaker 1: all the way through until four start football. But with
Speaker 1: six weeks off, Now do they come back in perfect show? No,
Speaker 1: they don't. And that's why I don't think they should
Speaker 1: have that long of a break. I wonder what the players. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm sure they love it. I would think the play,
Speaker 1: I think the players. I think the players if you
Speaker 1: gave them more time off after the season would probably
Speaker 1: appreciate it more because what you're doing is if you
Speaker 1: got him, if you brought him in June and worked
Speaker 1: them through July, you're getting them in that mindset. Okay,
Speaker 1: we got to do this every day, every day, every day.
Speaker 1: But I think if you gave them more time on
Speaker 1: the front end to recover, I think they would be
Speaker 1: I think they would be a lot they'd be happier
Speaker 1: about that. It's kind of like, uh, teachers out there, whatever,
Speaker 1: you know, you get in you're off in the summertime,
Speaker 1: and you basically have two months off in the summertime. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm already hearing teacher friends of mine say they're two
Speaker 1: weeks into their summer vacation and they're board. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: And for like players, all right, yeah, yeah, I got
Speaker 1: six weeks day. My wife's not she she needs a
Speaker 1: break from the fourth she's goods. But for the players,
Speaker 1: all right, like you say, six weeks is a long time.
Speaker 1: So it's all that work that they put in for
Speaker 1: the last two months. I mean, you take some discipline.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to heart too, maintain that and more so
Speaker 1: smart if they're smart two weeks before they leave for
Speaker 1: training camp. They're back here working out, doing work lifting,
Speaker 1: so that when you get the training camp, it's not
Speaker 1: like you lost everything. I'm just trying to prevent injury. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think it also applies to your point, Bill,
Speaker 1: even more so with the rookies, because they get the
Speaker 1: rookie camp, they come in for three weeks, four weeks.
Speaker 1: There's gone here. They keep the rookies here though. You
Speaker 1: remember that. Yeah, they get like a week. Yeah, yeah
Speaker 1: they don't yeah, fourth July and the rehab guys getting
Speaker 1: maybe a week. Yeah yeah, rehab guys, and there's a
Speaker 1: bunch of them. Sure they're gonna be here, that's true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just it's a good thought. I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: get them. I'm trying to get the perfect camp of
Speaker 1: my team being in shape and us not missing any
Speaker 1: practice time so when we get into the season, because
Speaker 1: they give them enough breaks during training camp. Have you
Speaker 1: guys looked at the schedule, that's a day off three No,
Speaker 1: we're going to the Western Sizzler on July thirty. First,
Speaker 1: I've already got that day playing on emails. Yes, stay
Speaker 1: by beating heart, don't, don't, don't, don't exactly starting wide
Speaker 1: receivers not named Beast. Oh, yeah, that was Thompson and Herns. Yes,
Speaker 1: and then there was a third in there that wasn't Beasley.
Speaker 1: The next week or the next two weeks, did you
Speaker 1: still get in there, Terrence Williams three, and you asked
Speaker 1: what went wrong with the committee? Yeah, the top three
Speaker 1: guys at the beginning of the season might not be
Speaker 1: here to start this year. You know. I applaud them
Speaker 1: for for realizing that that wasn't going to work. And
Speaker 1: it took It took a team that was willing to
Speaker 1: move on from a star player that was going to
Speaker 1: do it their way, and it took a first round pick,
Speaker 1: and you had to have a lot of things go
Speaker 1: that way. But I admire them for not sitting there
Speaker 1: and saying, no, we can ride this out. We would
Speaker 1: just ride this out, it would get better, because it
Speaker 1: wasn't didn't and what was wanting to get better. It
Speaker 1: was really interesting about it, too, make if you break
Speaker 1: it down even more, and I know we're live on
Speaker 1: the air, but those those snaps on offense the first
Speaker 1: few games they were it was a true committee, like
Speaker 1: they were pretty evenly distributed. It wasn't like it was
Speaker 1: this hard rotation of three four guys. It wasn't until
Speaker 1: Austin got hurt Um and really they got Cooper and
Speaker 1: Terence Williams got hurt. They get Cooper and then they
Speaker 1: kind of stabilized that group. Gallup starts, he starts playing more,
Speaker 1: and I think it made dak way more comfortably. I
Speaker 1: think I think the thing with Williams, I think that
Speaker 1: the Dui thing was what got him put to pasture.
Speaker 1: That was off season, right, but then he had Yeah,
Speaker 1: but but I think it was kind of like he
Speaker 1: was having some issues and but was he really hurt?
Speaker 1: It was an r ui. Yeah, writing the influence. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying that to me that it's just it was.
Speaker 1: It was very. It was very. It was very. It
Speaker 1: was a train wreck, it really was. It was a
Speaker 1: It was just a it was a bad miss evaluation.
Speaker 1: And I always always tell people though that if you
Speaker 1: can't evaluate your own team, then you're not ever going
Speaker 1: to be any good. And I think they evaluated their situation. Now,
Speaker 1: I think I know they evaluate with their situation. They
Speaker 1: had to do something so so so then look at
Speaker 1: last offseason. Okay, they went through the whole month of
Speaker 1: March and free agency, and it wasn't until April thirteenth
Speaker 1: they released Dez and then where you're harping on that
Speaker 1: one today, but no, no, I'm just saying it's an
Speaker 1: anniversary or something. No, no, no. And then Witton surprised
Speaker 1: them yea. And then Terrence Williams. So there's who had
Speaker 1: had his had his deal in May. I was wrong
Speaker 1: about Terence Wam. So that was over a month long period.
Speaker 1: They they're made own their own decision on Dez. Witton
Speaker 1: made his decision, Terrence made his choice, and you're down
Speaker 1: who were your three primary receivers over the last half decade.
Speaker 1: Right then, by the way, you get to late August,
Speaker 1: Travis Frederick learns he's going to be out probably the
Speaker 1: entire season, winds up being out the entire season. You
Speaker 1: got a rookie left guard, and the offensive line was
Speaker 1: not the offensive line that we've come to know until
Speaker 1: probably midseason when they make the coaching change, and then
Speaker 1: they got better. So the only thing they had done
Speaker 1: a wide receiver was signed Hearns and Thompson like two
Speaker 1: weeks into and Thompson has struggled to and he's been
Speaker 1: a journeyman throughout his career anyway, and he's trying to
Speaker 1: hook on with something. I can't remember where he is now,
Speaker 1: but he's someplace. But so didn't work. So just look
Speaker 1: at this team and this offense now compared to a
Speaker 1: year ago or after the Frederick injury or the Frederick
Speaker 1: gay and bare syndrome going into last year, I mean,
Speaker 1: how much more confidence should Deck Prescott? Yeah? Or how
Speaker 1: much more? Yeah? Like a whole lot. Yeah, they were
Speaker 1: confidence in him, but how about confidence? Does he have
Speaker 1: confidence in the offensive coordinator? There's the other thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's that's something new hummick. Yeah, but the second half
Speaker 1: of the season, he completed seventy percent of his passion
Speaker 1: did I'm not going to get off of that. Sure
Speaker 1: Cooper showed up, No, no, no question, like nine games
Speaker 1: the last eight seventy percent completion percentage of the last
Speaker 1: eight games, which adds to his confidence level going into
Speaker 1: this year. Absolutely. So. I don't think there's been this
Speaker 1: dramatic turnaround in his ability to throw the football. I
Speaker 1: think the dramatic turnaround is who he's throwing the football too.
Speaker 1: So far looks accurate. No, yeah, I'm not taking anything
Speaker 1: away from the ball. First three years but I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think he looks he's looks so sharp in these practices. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: he has no absolutely, but it helps that he he
Speaker 1: knows who he's thrown to. Yeah, him or Kitta, Who's
Speaker 1: who's made Who's made that? If you talk about if
Speaker 1: you had to say, wow, he looks. We know he
Speaker 1: looks physically different. I could see that you watch him.
Speaker 1: He's a good one. Guy looked in the baseball uniform,
Speaker 1: looked like a baseball player out there at that the
Speaker 1: Dirk celebrity and he's on that point. He's one that
Speaker 1: I remember training camp last year. He told me that
Speaker 1: he had put on weight at the end of the
Speaker 1: after the previous season. He had gotten up there a
Speaker 1: good way. Sure, yeah, he had gotten back down the
Speaker 1: training camp and look like he does right now. I
Speaker 1: mean he looked. But I'd love it when I see
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott looking like he looks right. He does look fit.
Speaker 1: I mean he does, but his and let's not also
Speaker 1: forget that he's been working with those dudes out in
Speaker 1: is it Arizona, California. The quarterback, Oh, the Tom House
Speaker 1: Goose guys and stuff like that. Yeah, got that in
Speaker 1: month of March. See I'm trying. I'm trying to think
Speaker 1: if it's if if Kitna or Dak that we've seen
Speaker 1: we've seen improvement, not only physically, but we've seen better accuracy.
Speaker 1: When he misses, it's not the sweaty ball that goes
Speaker 1: flying and fluttering over people's heads. If he misses, it's
Speaker 1: maybe a six inches four inches, that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: They've talked a lot of footwork k Has and Dak Garrett,
Speaker 1: are you seeing that? You're seeing subtle things. You're seeing
Speaker 1: a guy that sits in the pocket and looks like
Speaker 1: he's ready to throw, not a guy that you know.
Speaker 1: And maybe when you get like Mickey's saying, you get
Speaker 1: Travis Frederick back, you know, you get you know, you
Speaker 1: get Collins back, you get you know, a year now
Speaker 1: of Connor Williams. I mean Connor Williams to me physically
Speaker 1: looks good too. So you know, maybe with all that
Speaker 1: upfront and maybe his confidence. But I'm wondering this little transformation,
Speaker 1: is that the contract is that the pressure is that
Speaker 1: the is that the quarterback himself is that John K.
Speaker 1: Kittna you know, you know he talked last week about
Speaker 1: the benefits of working out whatever that quarterback it is
Speaker 1: Tom tom House. What wasn't Tom House, wasn't something There
Speaker 1: was somebody else that was involved in two other guys.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was I think House. And he talked about
Speaker 1: how they worked on techniques on how you have to
Speaker 1: have your arm slot or whatever angle when when you
Speaker 1: got a Tom Shawshaw, Yeah, you gotta throw from different
Speaker 1: arm angles. You can't always be sitting in the pocket
Speaker 1: with your arm here going here. Sometimes you're moving, you're here,
Speaker 1: he goes, And I learned about that and to how
Speaker 1: to get my feet set better when I'm not perfect
Speaker 1: in the pocket, and he thought that improved his accuracy.
Speaker 1: It was interesting to hear him go on and on
Speaker 1: about that. Might as well give full credit to the
Speaker 1: Tomshaw Performance Enhancement Camp at ESPN wide World of Sports
Speaker 1: at Walt Disney World. There's your right and non paid
Speaker 1: advertising And isn't that where he talked about bringing the
Speaker 1: guys in there and working with it dideah. And what's
Speaker 1: what's important too, is what he they teach him. It
Speaker 1: aligns with Kidnap. It's not like it's something totally vastly
Speaker 1: different Kidnas. Attention to detail guy, Yeah, Jim coach. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of things that he's going through with these quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. You know who he did wonders
Speaker 1: with his own son. Yeah, I kicking throw it? Did
Speaker 1: you why? I've seen him throw it? Yeah? When when
Speaker 1: when they needed another quarterback and they were running those
Speaker 1: routes with the wide receivers, He's stepping in there and
Speaker 1: throwing it. He never misses him. Nah, he's and I've
Speaker 1: seen him out there working with him. I knew it.
Speaker 1: He's a college kid, right, yeah's eligibility is he's still playing?
Speaker 1: Where is he that good? I don't know. I'll look
Speaker 1: it up. I'll look it up. I thought it was
Speaker 1: a small school. I thought he was a small school
Speaker 1: guy too, like and then he was trying guys only
Speaker 1: eight thousand people. It's a small school FBS or whatever?
Speaker 1: What do you call the Division one Double A? Now
Speaker 1: if DS, that's where kid Is has been. Yeah? Uh
Speaker 1: is it Jordan Kidna Colorado State Poeblo, Colorado Pueblo, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Bilad it is. It's Colorado. Pill is an investigative reporter.
Speaker 1: That's right. Don't don't sell him. Junior college, Colorado State, Pueblo.
Speaker 1: That's what it says here, I think, yeah, that's not
Speaker 1: Colorado State. I didn't say Colorado State State University. He's
Speaker 1: not the Rams. That's like Texas A and m Kingsville.
Speaker 1: That's right there. You go Texas which has produced in NFL.
Speaker 1: How are you doing? What are you doing over there? Cowboys?
Speaker 1: But says going to Tennessee or has committed to Tennessee. Okay,
Speaker 1: well now you need high school class of twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: This Jordan just up the road, which is switched Jalen Kitten. Ja,
Speaker 1: it's a different kid. Yeah, there's a couple of kid
Speaker 1: and I knew Jordan. J Yeah, Jordan. No one of
Speaker 1: them can really throw it. When you go out there today.
Speaker 1: The Minican you see the guy that looks like he's
Speaker 1: a he's a ball boy and he's got his hat
Speaker 1: on backwards and he's throwing strike after strike after strike.
Speaker 1: That's him, whatever his name is. And to my point
Speaker 1: about TCU, Jordan Kitt went to TCU and red shirted
Speaker 1: his first year before transferring to Cisco Junior College and
Speaker 1: then Colorado State Pueblo. Yes, so there you go, there
Speaker 1: we go. There's time for Carrett. Yet, who's the head
Speaker 1: coach there another kid. No, No, I'm kidding, all right.
Speaker 1: So we've taken care of the wide. So did we
Speaker 1: get bills? Take on what stood out? I I just
Speaker 1: fed off a Rob Phillips and Deck Deck is the
Speaker 1: one that I've and then the otherwise. It's overall depth
Speaker 1: on the team. That's a good one. When you look
Speaker 1: at the defense and what's going on in that defensive line.
Speaker 1: We need to save some defensive problems. We come back
Speaker 1: the line back and let's do that. Let's talk defense,
Speaker 1: all right, and we come back here on talking cowboys.
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Speaker 1: sort of like it's a mini camp, even though mini
Speaker 1: camp is just now starting as you are listening to this,
Speaker 1: perhaps it is after the mini camp is over, and
Speaker 1: it's almost like it's a training camp preview too. So
Speaker 1: we're wrapping up the offseason today. Can you name any
Speaker 1: of the starters on defense that are actually out there?
Speaker 1: Two of them? Garrison is on his game, is in
Speaker 1: season form, like we've seen with Mallie Collins. By the way,
Speaker 1: the practices that we've got to watch. Maybe it's something
Speaker 1: to do with drafting somebody in the second round. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's a contracting two good feet. Yeah, let's just get
Speaker 1: through the bags a couple of times before bones start
Speaker 1: to break. But you know, I like what I've seen
Speaker 1: with Mallie Collins. I love what I've seen with Sean
Speaker 1: Lee running around out there. Ye you know, you know
Speaker 1: what I think? Does anybody talk to Sean Lee? I
Speaker 1: asked this question Mickey did you ask him? You know
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Speaker 1: and maybe ask him this question. I think Sean Lee
Speaker 1: went told him and said, I need to play. Yes,
Speaker 1: I just need to play. This is my last year.
Speaker 1: I just need to play. But he's on the practice
Speaker 1: off practice schedule. But Benny camp. But but he could
Speaker 1: be where they practice him one time or no time.
Speaker 1: Did he do much in OTA's last year after liked
Speaker 1: to camp? Yeah, I seeing him running and he was
Speaker 1: rapping camp. I don't think he did uh teamwork? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's running with the twos. He's out there running with
Speaker 1: you know, Kyle Quero and those guys. I think, I
Speaker 1: think and I need to ask him this and maybe
Speaker 1: one of us will ask of this. But I think
Speaker 1: he went and told him. He's like, I need to practice.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just need you just need to put
Speaker 1: me out there. I don't, I mean, and and so far,
Speaker 1: so good for him, and I think that maybe will
Speaker 1: be the plan. He'll have an off day. I'm sure
Speaker 1: the camp the veterans roll through, the Wittons, the leads,
Speaker 1: the offensive lineman, guys, all you know, do what they
Speaker 1: have to do. But I think Sean Lee just said, hey,
Speaker 1: the hell with it. You know what, I haven't played,
Speaker 1: and I haven't played in three years. Basically, I mean,
Speaker 1: I need to go, but I just need to go practice.
Speaker 1: Even with all it with his injuries, the only time
Speaker 1: he had a season ending injury was the ACL which
Speaker 1: was in the OTA's in twenty fourteen. Okay, where where
Speaker 1: it was an offseason deal where you get hurt, okay,
Speaker 1: and he's lost for the year. Okay, um things, and
Speaker 1: the other stuff is it's you know, hamstring type stuff.
Speaker 1: You know that's There's been other injuries besides that they're
Speaker 1: broken bones or whatever. But uh, here lately it's been
Speaker 1: more it's kind of like Adrian Beltrey with the Rangers,
Speaker 1: where you get up there pushing your mid thirties whatever,
Speaker 1: and you know he's he's wound so tight, you know,
Speaker 1: and his play and his role is probably going to
Speaker 1: be slightly different, right Sam linebacker, He's not probably gonna
Speaker 1: be asked to play fifty sixty snaps anymore unless somebody
Speaker 1: gets Unless somebody gets hurt, and then he's on the nickel,
Speaker 1: which he has been on during OTAs talk now I
Speaker 1: do know this. Talking to Rod Marinelli, he's he's excited
Speaker 1: about having Shawn Lee on the field, so they need
Speaker 1: him on the field. So maybe maybe maybe it won't
Speaker 1: be as much. Maybe maybe we talked about maybe because
Speaker 1: it was Damien Wilson, and you say, well, we don't
Speaker 1: want really want to put Damien Wilson out there. Sean
Speaker 1: Lee's a little different animal. Yeah, yeah, Sean Lee. It's like, ah, guy,
Speaker 1: go on the field and make plays. You know. Now,
Speaker 1: it's thinking, well, maybe we don't have to play as
Speaker 1: much of certain things. And you played at three man line.
Speaker 1: I've brought it up before. You were not wrong about it.
Speaker 1: You can keep three and one extra dB the bride Marinoy.
Speaker 1: He confirmed that, right, He confirmed it. You're absolutely right
Speaker 1: because he would confirms Wilson a lot to try to blitz,
Speaker 1: and I bet Shaun Lee's a little bit better at that.
Speaker 1: Sean Lee will be a blitzer. Jalen Smith will be
Speaker 1: a blitzer. Position of concern of starters, of starters on defense,
Speaker 1: on defense, on defense position, I want I want to
Speaker 1: see what happens at right defensive end. If Quinn is
Speaker 1: a seventy percent guy on the field, or is he
Speaker 1: a rotation guy? And if he's a rotation guy, then
Speaker 1: who's the guy at right defensive end? Because we haven't
Speaker 1: seen Heidner hair of Tyrone Crawford not at all, not
Speaker 1: at all. And I think he was in that Wednesday
Speaker 1: group that VET guys, you know, and we've been seeing
Speaker 1: Wednesday practices in OTAs. But we saw Wednesday last week,
Speaker 1: but we see him, didn't see him last week, but
Speaker 1: we know what he can do, right, But who's who?
Speaker 1: Who's the guy there? Though? Is it Quinn? And is
Speaker 1: Quinn the Quinn? Who do you think he is? Do
Speaker 1: you think Crawford would start at right defensive end? He
Speaker 1: would would? I think that's the game plan. Yeah, But
Speaker 1: if you get you get, you get Randy Gregory back.
Speaker 1: I'm kicking Crawford back inside. I'd like to see my
Speaker 1: starting corners right now, and you're just not gonna see
Speaker 1: Byron Bengas, you know that's me Byron Jones point. You know,
Speaker 1: I think he said he wants to get back some
Speaker 1: time in camp. They're trying to get him to week
Speaker 1: one and what Cheeto has a hip deal right now
Speaker 1: he's dealing with. So I thought it was a hamstring Uh,
Speaker 1: Jones was the hip, right he had hips? Or yeah?
Speaker 1: So yeah, Jones is only working on the chords and
Speaker 1: stuff though too. That's a good song. And I think
Speaker 1: they're I mean, they're hopeful for game one, yeah, but
Speaker 1: it's not a sure thing. Who is not the sure thing? Is?
Speaker 1: Is Lawrence a sure thing? Left end? I think so
Speaker 1: or Jones a sure thing? They're holdback. What we've been
Speaker 1: told is they're hopeful on both for week one. Now
Speaker 1: is it a guarantee for both? I don't know about that.
Speaker 1: I think it's more closer to Lawrence from what I've
Speaker 1: been told. Okay, but also don't expect to see him
Speaker 1: in any preseason game, right, yeah, right, because just get
Speaker 1: him to think about it. So you're not gonna play
Speaker 1: the fourth. If you're gonna play, you're probably not the
Speaker 1: first because you probably won't be ready. Is he going
Speaker 1: to Hawaii? Is he going to Hawaii? I'm sure he
Speaker 1: is sitting on the the beach, But doesn't mean he's
Speaker 1: gonna play, you know, last year. And here's the other
Speaker 1: here's the other point. So if if you did play
Speaker 1: him in a preseason game, how many snaps? Ten? Yeah,
Speaker 1: ten snaps gonna make the difference between him being ready
Speaker 1: for the openers. This is the age old argument with
Speaker 1: Emmett Smith and Zeke at the running back position. But
Speaker 1: he practices so hard at training camp he does. I mean,
Speaker 1: you don't need him to play as hard as he
Speaker 1: practices at training camp. That's where. And he's running pretty hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah he is, fatter fact, he was out there yesterday running. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I'm with you, Rob, I'm with you on the
Speaker 1: corners and Mickey, I you make a great point about
Speaker 1: the right end because right now we're seeing Anthony Brown,
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis and C. J. Goodwin on the nickel. You
Speaker 1: are surely right about that, So you know you're not
Speaker 1: we're not seeing the full depth chart. And maybe you
Speaker 1: know as we get deeper in here, alumba, alumba, yea,
Speaker 1: Jack and so Cheeto's gonna be fine. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: I haven't seen the starting group right now. You did
Speaker 1: early before he pulled his hamship. I haven't seen Byron
Speaker 1: Jones and I him till week one. That was my concern,
Speaker 1: was the right corner. That was my That was my
Speaker 1: I mean, how it's Byron Jones is tough. I mean
Speaker 1: they've been playing Anthony Brown in place of Byron Jones. Yes, yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: so I guess the question is, if Byron Jones is
Speaker 1: not ready to go Week one, how confident are you
Speaker 1: with the replacement Brown or Lewis. What happens is how
Speaker 1: confident are you with who goes into the slot, Because
Speaker 1: it's gonna be Jordan Lewis. It's gonna Lewis. Yeah. They've
Speaker 1: been moving Goodwin right, Yep. Goodwin's been getting work at
Speaker 1: right corner at Rock, but that was after Cheetah went out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Goodwin got work. But I like to see more of
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis. But that being said, I want Byron Jones healthy,
Speaker 1: and I mean he was the best corner by far
Speaker 1: on this team last year. So they're trying to get
Speaker 1: this Michael Jackson ready. By the way, yes, said Nicol.
Speaker 1: They're put him at slot, playing him at outside. I
Speaker 1: you know, you know the position. It's not going to change.
Speaker 1: And everybody was up in arms about it. Safety safety, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know what it's that's what's gonna be. I think,
Speaker 1: and and and if and if the if the if
Speaker 1: Mickey's friend Wilson makes his Donovan Wilson makes his team.
Speaker 1: It's because he put Cavon Fraser on the street. I
Speaker 1: don't see them carrying five safeties. I really don't. That's
Speaker 1: just me. I I don't know how they do that.
Speaker 1: But if I but that's the position to me that
Speaker 1: it's not going to change. Michael Jackson's got some safety
Speaker 1: size about it. First time I saw him on fell
Speaker 1: Play street, safety looked like a safety to meet too.
Speaker 1: It was that's a long safety the defense. But I
Speaker 1: think I brought it up last week, and I can't
Speaker 1: remember if I did it after we finished, Well, what
Speaker 1: was that trail away? You just did? You? You? Y'all? Okay?
Speaker 1: With the kicker? I knew. I think he did break
Speaker 1: it up last week. He did bring it up last week.
Speaker 1: That's the one thing. Are you? You want to see
Speaker 1: more Casey Redfern. I don't know if it's what's that
Speaker 1: headlining in the red Fern? I don't know one of
Speaker 1: my favorite childhood books. What thing I know? When practice starts,
Speaker 1: I am going to pay attention. I'm sorry, folks, if
Speaker 1: you're there, an Oxnard, I'm not going to shake your hand.
Speaker 1: I've got to go watch kickers work out now. The
Speaker 1: only I mean just you know the kid faded a
Speaker 1: little at the end. He's not a kid. He was
Speaker 1: twenty seven years old, Nicky, just throwing that dirt you're
Speaker 1: talking about, ma Her. Yes, he's going to turn thirty
Speaker 1: November twenty first, thirty, as Adam en Atterry just keeps
Speaker 1: It's not like it's not like he's at the end
Speaker 1: of his prime. Here, here's another thing to consider this
Speaker 1: is this is George Bland. No, I didn't mean thirty
Speaker 1: as old. What did you mean? Then? I just meant
Speaker 1: I didn't think he was dirty? What was that reaction?
Speaker 1: What I do? This is the first time in his
Speaker 1: career he's been in the same place two years in
Speaker 1: a row. Yeah, he's always hop scotch trying to find
Speaker 1: it job. Sure, so now how much does that help
Speaker 1: him that he gets a full offseason conditioning um pressure
Speaker 1: of having to make kicks, because obviously they'll get rid
Speaker 1: of you if you don't make kicks. To have a
Speaker 1: backup plane, and I'm not sure what the backup plan
Speaker 1: would be because this I think they consider Redfern he's
Speaker 1: as more of a punter than he is a place kicker. Yep.
Speaker 1: Kind of the same thing we had the same to
Speaker 1: talk about this guy last year. So if they're that concerned, No,
Speaker 1: I didn't say they were, But if they were, don't
Speaker 1: you think they would have a kicker in here? I
Speaker 1: think they they should at least think about who they
Speaker 1: would turn to. Well, you know, there's six weeks between
Speaker 1: now and the start of training camp, and maybe there's
Speaker 1: a kicker out there. I'll tell you one thing. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's if Steve Hoffman was here, he'd go down to
Speaker 1: the home depot and he'd have a workout at the
Speaker 1: stadium and you'd have an all pro kicker the next day.
Speaker 1: That was in which Lightbulbs debut. Yeah, hey, listen, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm looking at paynt and have you ever made a
Speaker 1: field gold in the NFL? We got like a minute left,
Speaker 1: Jason Barrett's coming up at ten thirty five. No difference
Speaker 1: between the kicker and the backup quarterback. That's because they're
Speaker 1: just not out there all over that. That's true. I
Speaker 1: can't go down to Texico and get one. Make you
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