1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show everyone. This is a classic 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:08,159 Speaker 1: episode that blew us away honestly when we when we 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 1: first started working on it. Serial killers they are an 4 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 1: object of discussed and rightly so, but there are also 5 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: an object of fascination. In the Western world. Serial killers 6 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: are the very definition of an unreliable narrator. They're insane, 7 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: they're prone to exaggeration and delusion, and obviously they are 8 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: inveterate liars. If you look at any case of almost 9 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: any serial killer, you will see many, many claims that 10 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: simply do not bear up under scrutiny. But then you 11 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: will also see some things that sound so outrageous they 12 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: have to be works of fiction. And then later, maybe months, years, 13 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: in some cases decades later, we learned that a few 14 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: of those claims were true. Today's classic episode dives into 15 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: a controversial and disturbing topic, the idea of serial killers 16 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 1: working in concert, more than one serial murderer working together. 17 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 1: But it goes further than that. We also examine the 18 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: claims of people like David Berkowitz and Henry Lee Lucas, 19 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: who told law enforcement multiple times that they were not 20 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:40,199 Speaker 1: committing these crimes on their own, that they were not 21 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: lone creditors and criminals. Instead, they and several other serial 22 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: murderers have sworn that they were part of something else, 23 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: large organization, a shadowy institution, a serial killer cult. What 24 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: are we talking about? We'll find out in this episode 25 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: from UFOs two Ghosts and Government cover Ups. History is 26 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 27 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Hello, 28 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: welcome back. We'll welcome for the first time to stuff 29 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. I'm bend and I'm 30 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: at and today we're going to start the podcast with 31 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,119 Speaker 1: a a little bit of a of a dark thing, 32 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: a little bit of a weird thing. All right, I 33 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: like it, Let's do it. Okay. So this is a 34 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: question that I want to throw out to you and 35 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: then we'll answer it at the end of the episode. 36 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: Sound cool, Yeah, alright, I'm excited. Okay. How many serial 37 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: killers do you think are active right now? By which 38 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: I mean uncaught, maybe there in the hibernation phase after 39 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: they've done them, of order of some sort. Um, how 40 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: many do you think there are? I would estimate worldwide. Um, 41 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: you know what, let's keep it in the US, just 42 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: in the US twenty Okay, and that's you know that 43 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: numbers sounds scary at first, but there three hundreds something 44 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: million people here, and of those twenty there are twenty. 45 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: Then a lot of them won't be active for a 46 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: while right at the turns there. Yeah, I'll be like 47 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: the B T K killer Dennis Radar, who um was 48 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: out of it was not murdering people for what a 49 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: decade more um, and then finally got caught when he 50 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: came back, which is a story for different day. So 51 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: as we begin met, I have to ask, um, what 52 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: is a serial killer? Most basic level, UM, it's someone 53 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: who kills for a reason was for they feel, Um, 54 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: they feel that they need to kill for some reason 55 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: or another. They're compelled to do so. It's a compulsion. Um. 56 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: There are various number of reasons. Because they get sexual 57 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 1: pleasure out of doing so. Because they feel that they 58 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: are called to to kill a certain type of person 59 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: for pseudo religious reason maybe yeah, that happens quite often, UM. 60 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: Or because they feel like they're gaining something from it, 61 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: that they're gaining some kind of power by taking the 62 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: life of somebody else. And there there are several other reasons. There. 63 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: There's A. We have a great article on how stuff works. 64 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: If you want to read that how serial killers work. 65 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 1: It goes over some of that basic level serial killer stuff. Yeah, 66 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: that's a that's a Actually, that's a great primer for 67 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: serial killers. No. One. Thing that we should also mention 68 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 1: is that serial killer is sort of an umbrella term 69 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. For instance, the ice man 70 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: of famous mob Hitman killed quite a few people the 71 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: monetary gain because it was kind of his job or 72 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: his career path. And then on the other side, we 73 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: have people, um who have received heavy physiological trauma early 74 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: in their life and they don't process emotions the same 75 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: way that a person with all the cylinders firing does. 76 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: And this is not to say that neurological damage automatically 77 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: makes somebody a monstrous human being, um, but it can 78 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: impair what we would consider to be the essential functioning 79 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: of of of a human Oh yeah, and one last caveat. 80 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: The people were speaking about are not spree killers, and 81 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: they're also not um like mass murderers generally, people who 82 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 1: would just go in and kill a whole bunch of 83 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: people at one time and then either get caught killingmselves 84 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 1: or be done with it. These are people who kill 85 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 1: generally and then they will it's very it's horrible to say, 86 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: but not kill for a period, then kill again, and 87 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: maybe they will also and they'll also typically uh cover 88 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: up their crime if possible. Just spree killer wouldn't do exactly. 89 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: So here is where we get to a disturbing and 90 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 1: fascinating idea that a long time ago. Now you and 91 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 1: I did an episode asking if serial killers are controlled 92 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: by a cult. This is one of the darker conspiracy 93 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: theories we've run into, and it's one that fascinates us both. 94 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: I think, oh yeah, well, because you have the people 95 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: the serial killers talking about certain groups like the four 96 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: Pie movement was mentioned. The hand of death. Again, this 97 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: is from their mouths. These uh, these organizations were mentioned, right, yeah, 98 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: and let's do a little bit of background tiers. So 99 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: let's start with a hand of death. So Henry Lee, 100 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: Lucas oddust tool, Um, they were something that rarely happens 101 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: in the acknowledged world of serial killers. They were a team, 102 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: they worked in pairs, and um, they were lovers for 103 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: a time. They also claimed to have killed. Eventually, they 104 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: claimed to have killed hundreds of people, especially Henry Lee Lucas, 105 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: and they said they did this at the orders of 106 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: an organization called the Hand of Death, that they were 107 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: trained to murder people um as part of a Satanic 108 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: ritual or some sort of dark magic thing. And they 109 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: claimed furthermore that the Hand of Death was not just 110 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: based in this training camp area. They claimed that it 111 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: was a now national, perhaps even worldwide organization that spanned 112 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: the height than depth of human society, all the way 113 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: down to low lifes like them, and all the way 114 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: up to the financial socio political elites of the US 115 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: and the world. Um so crazy man. Even David Burke 116 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: Awitz uh he he said that he had assistance that 117 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: were from the Four Pie cult Um. He claimed to 118 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: have insider knowledge of a murder that still is unsolved. Um, 119 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: it's the artist Perry Stanford Memorial Church murder of nineteen 120 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: seventy four. You can type that into a search bar 121 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: and you will find information about it. Yeah, and people 122 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: arguing both for and against Burke awits his knowledge of this. 123 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: Yeah absolutely, And um, now the Four Pie churches is 124 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: pretty interesting. We talked about those in the video. Can 125 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: you give us like a high level I can? I 126 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: might go down a bit of a rabbit hole here. 127 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: Just tell me when you're ready for me to stop, Okay, Okay. 128 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: So the four Pie movement was allegedly linked to this 129 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:13,319 Speaker 1: thing called the Process Church of the Final judgment Um, 130 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: which was kind of a it was a cultish movement 131 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: um back in the nineteen sixties. And man, it's it's 132 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: pretty crazy, Okay. So it was it started off as 133 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: an offshoot from the Church of Scientology, the Process Church was, 134 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: and they they it's kind of weird. Man. I don't 135 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: want to get too deep into what they believe or anything, 136 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: but it kind of it has a link that I 137 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: think you'll be interested in. So they believe that their 138 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,199 Speaker 1: personality traits in each one of us, uh, and they 139 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: marked they called called them there four of them Jehovah, Lucifer, Satan, 140 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: and Christ and and they essentially worship all four. And 141 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: they believe that you kind of have to worship each 142 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: one to really attain enlightenment. Well, what's a difference than 143 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: if I could ask between Satan and Lucifer. Lucifer is 144 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: more of the uh hedonistic kind of a person um 145 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: self aggrandizing, look for knowledge, that kind of thing, some 146 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: more Promethean kind of a light bringer, yeah, lucifer Um, 147 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: and then Satan is just more uh aggressive, kind of 148 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 1: an kind of yeah, but then there's some of that 149 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: in Jehovah as well. It's really interesting, it's passing, and 150 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: I recommend anyone who wants to learn more about this. Uh. 151 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: There are a couple of things you can do. The 152 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 1: first thing would be to read The Process by Gary 153 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,959 Speaker 1: Lakshman L. A. C. H M. A n Um, which 154 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: is just a quick article from the forty in Times, 155 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: but it's really fascinating. Read um. And there's also there 156 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: are a couple of books that you can read. But 157 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 1: here's here's the thing. What's the link. The link to 158 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: me is the four pie also known as four P. 159 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: It's been mentioned as the four P movement. UM. So 160 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: if you look at the symbol that was used for 161 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 1: this group, the Process Church, it looks somewhat like a swastika, 162 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: kind of a little bit like a swastika, but it's 163 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: really four ps that are linked at the circular part 164 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: of the P, but it's in a square, but it's 165 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: four pas right in the Process Church. And I found 166 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: that really interesting, just as one of the you know, 167 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: the conspiracy theory kind of connection that really doesn't mean anything, 168 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 1: but it still makes you go just enough to be disturbing, 169 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: and we'll come back to those folks. We also have 170 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: side note for this met there's a very interesting story 171 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: here in the cult angle of the Man's murders. Now, 172 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: Manson already was leading a cult, and the question is 173 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:59,839 Speaker 1: was this cult involved with some other larger network. This 174 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: is just a story that I wanted to get out 175 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: there because not a lot of people knew it. During 176 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: the period leading up to Helter Skelter, when Manson and 177 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: his group were on a darker, precipitous decline from their 178 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 1: otherwise utopian philosophy or or whatever thing mayd going on, 179 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 1: they went out to the desert right and uh, their 180 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: ideas got crazier and crazier. Of course, the ultimate stated 181 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: aim for the murders that the Manson family ultimately committed 182 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: where that they were trying to trigger a global race 183 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: war um that would be between black people and white people, 184 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: and the whole time the Manson family would hide out 185 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: in some magic cave where they would have all the 186 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 1: supplies they needed, and then after the black part of 187 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: the world's population killed all of the white people Manson, 188 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: who was cartoonishly racist right, thought that his family would 189 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: climb out of this magic cave and take over because, 190 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: of course, he assumed black people are incapable of making 191 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: of of making authoritative decisions, which just gives me, just 192 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: gives you, like a peek into how ugly this guy's 193 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: mind is. Right, Yeah, and just insane. It's so insane. 194 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: It is so insane. I don't know how you can 195 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: believe it. I guess it helps if you are yourself 196 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: a very racist person. But he um. But the reason 197 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: I bring up all this crazy stuff is at the 198 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: same time that this was happening, there was a minor 199 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: named Paul Crockett who lived nearby. And Paul Crockett is 200 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: a very mysterious character in the Helter Skelter story. He was, 201 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: remember this older retired miner, but he had knowledge somehow 202 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:57,599 Speaker 1: of scientology and other similar practices. Now, when I say cultish, 203 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 1: you guys know what I'm talking about. I know that 204 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: people might say that we're saying something bad about scientology. No, 205 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 1: we're saying he had knowledge of this, and he had 206 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: knowledge of other things that helped him um rescue some 207 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: of the people in Charles Manson's family, and they had 208 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: these amazing psychological battles with each other where Manson was 209 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: trying to get in his head and Paul Crockett was. 210 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: It was very it was very Yoda uh, Emperor Palpatine 211 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: kind of kind of the forces of light and evil there. 212 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: And when when we talk about this, when we talked 213 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: about the manipulation uh, that Manson had, there's been a 214 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: lot of conspiratorial thoughts um or conspiratorial arguments that Manson 215 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: was somehow getting orders from somewhere else, not just influenced 216 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: by the dianetics and stuff he studied in prison, not 217 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: just influenced by his contact with counterculture cults in California, 218 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: which was a strangely difficult sentence to say, but that 219 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: he was also um working at the behest of this. 220 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: Now here we have these ideas, and each of these three, 221 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: these three examples have some sort a different level of credence. 222 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: So for me, UM, the most plausible one is David 223 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: Berkowitz Um, because another guy named Stanley Baker was caught 224 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: committee murders. He said he was recruited by four pie 225 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: in University of Wisconsin. And David burk Awitz, you know, 226 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: originally he copped to all the murders. He didn't change 227 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: his story until the nineties, but he was already in 228 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: jail forever. No way he was getting out. Um. Didn't 229 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: someone also attempt to murder him? Yes? And he changed 230 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: his story because of that. Yes, someone also attempted to 231 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: murder him imprison Uh. Some of the investigators in the 232 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: Berkowitz case think that there's credence to the idea that 233 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: his people who lived nearby, the car brothers C. A. R. R. 234 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: Had a role in this um and they both died 235 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: in during parts of the investigation. Um. So I would 236 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: say that as the most credents, and then the Manson stuff. 237 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: It's it's difficult to tell because it's a question of 238 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: how much weight are we putting on people hanging out 239 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: together in California? You know what I mean? Just because 240 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: you and I go to a party with it happened 241 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: to be in the same room with someone, doesn't mean 242 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: that we're planning an international Satanic panic. Yeah. And just 243 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: because a couple of members of the Processed Church went 244 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: and visited Manson one time doesn't necessarily mean anything, right, Yeah, 245 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: Just like just because the process Church was an offshoot 246 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: of people made by people who met via scientology. Doesn't 247 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:07,360 Speaker 1: mean that it's in any way condoned by or related 248 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 1: to the actual church or No, No, not at all. 249 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: And gosh, I hope nobody got that from what I 250 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: was saying. No, I don't think, Okay, I don't think. 251 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: Just just to clarify, the processed Church used the idea 252 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: of using the E meter, and they just kind of 253 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 1: changed that around a little bit into their own thing 254 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: and used it to to measure emotion rather than uh 255 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 1: whatever it is that E meter, which is uh, well, 256 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 1: I just have to say that this is also in 257 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: the Church of Scientology. It's a hugely bad heretical thing 258 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: to do, to to mess with in any way these 259 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: ideas or to have your own ideas inserted in there. Um. 260 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: I think one of the terms for it is squirreling, 261 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: and that makes you an sp or suppressive person, which 262 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: is very bad. Yeah, and now you don't want to 263 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: be that. No, it's anathema or shutting kind of. Uh So, anyway, 264 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:10,199 Speaker 1: we're we're talking about all these different organizations, the and 265 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 1: these different stories. The least plausible story is, uh the 266 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 1: hand of death story with Henry Lee Lucas and oddest tool. 267 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: Now I think it's the least plausible because they're not 268 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 1: because there's not a conspiracy. I think this actually does 269 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: have a genuine conspiracy. But you know what I'm talking about. 270 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 1: You know why I don't think that Henry Lee Lucas 271 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: really killed over three people. Well, yeah, one of the 272 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: biggest things you look at with serial killers is their 273 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:46,199 Speaker 1: level of intelligence in order to get away with a 274 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: huge number of murders like that. And let's face it, 275 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: if you look at Henry Lucas an honest tool, Um, 276 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: they're not the sharpest knives in the kitchen. Yeah, they're 277 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: not the brightest bulbs in the pack, right, Yeah, the 278 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 1: um for a number of reasons, especially in the case 279 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: of Lucas, who suffered some fairly horrific injuries in his childhood. Um, 280 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: these are not men's A level criminals. They're not as 281 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: intelligent as say Ted Bundy, for instance, So their claims 282 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: um don't really have the best credibility at all. Let's 283 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,679 Speaker 1: even just not considering the fact the fact that serial 284 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: killers are prone to wild exaggeration because they are crazy. Um, 285 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 1: there's or you know, if you're a serial killer, you're 286 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 1: listening to this right now. You have a dysfunction. You 287 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: don't have superpowers, you really don't. But these, uh, some 288 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: of these problems can be exploited by the real conspiracy, 289 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: which I submit to you, was that law enforcement saw 290 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: in Henry Lee Lucas and artist Tool a way to 291 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: close a bunch of unsolved, unsolved, unresolved cases. And you 292 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: can see this because the crimes that they're agreeing to 293 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 1: committing at times were physically impossible for them to commit. 294 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: Now they would say that maybe with somebody else in 295 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 1: the cult, right in the hand of death, if you 296 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:29,199 Speaker 1: push them towards that. But Lucas also said that he 297 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 1: was confessing to things because he would get better treatment 298 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: in the prison system, which is just way more plausible 299 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: to me. So well, I can see that that That's 300 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: one of the biggest things you have to do as 301 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: a law enforcement agency is to close cases. And you know, 302 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: sometimes if there's a scary thing, you have to you 303 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: have to find a way to make it stop. Even 304 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: if it doesn't actually stop the killings, it's gonna it's 305 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 1: gonna quell the fears. You're thinking of McNulty and the wire. 306 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 1: That's exactly what I'm thinking of. Yeah, uh so, the 307 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: the idea here is is frightening in its own way, 308 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: that there could be people who were waiting to hear 309 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: what happened to their missing parents, they're missing child, the 310 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: missing friends, and to be told a lie that there 311 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 1: was this guy who couldn't possibly done the murder, but 312 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 1: he says he's done it. And false confessions are distressing, 313 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 1: but it also really really throws a lot of the 314 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: credibility of this cult story to the wayside. Now we 315 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,160 Speaker 1: do know that there are people who really have been 316 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: parts of cults. Uh This guy named Jeffrey Lundgren part 317 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: of a heretical offshoot of the Church of Latter day 318 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: Saints or the Mormon Church. Um. He killed people, killed 319 00:21:55,760 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: a family of five. Guy named Aldolfo constanzo Um was 320 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 1: a drug dealer and worked with Cartel's and practiced black magic, 321 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 1: where we would have a cauldron of people's bodies, they 322 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: would eat from it, they would use it the magical rituals. 323 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 1: It didn't prevent him from being caught at all. It's 324 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: almost as if that didn't work. I'm not going to 325 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: go ahead and say that what he was doing made 326 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,959 Speaker 1: him a charlatan, but it certainly didn't keep him alive. 327 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 1: Fair point, fair point, fair point. But so with with 328 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,919 Speaker 1: those cults. These were um like the Manson cult. They 329 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:42,199 Speaker 1: were tight knit groups of people who had been psychologically 330 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 1: exploited right and had their egos slowly erased by a 331 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: charismatic leader of some of some sort, and then had 332 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 1: that enforced by intimidation and fear. Um. This is a 333 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: regrettably easy thing to do. Now been we've talked about 334 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 1: a lot of the past serial killers that we know about, um, 335 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: about what makes them a serial killer and about what 336 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: um strange circumstances they found themselves in. But here's where 337 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 1: it gets crazy. There are serial killers out there right now, 338 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: probably with all I mean. I say probably because I 339 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 1: can't prove it. But they're out there right now, sitting somewhere, 340 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: maybe in a van, maybe in their shock up on 341 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: the mountain, maybe in their mansion, maybe in the church, 342 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: maybe in a church. They're just hanging out plotting. Maybe 343 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 1: they're not plotting. Maybe today they're just having a sandwich 344 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: and reading the newspaper. Um, you know, maybe they're hugging 345 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: their children right now. But they're there, out there, right now. Yeah, 346 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,919 Speaker 1: it is true. Uh, no one knows to answer our 347 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: original question, No one has any idea how many active 348 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: serial killers could exist. When I was UM, when I 349 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: was looking into some of this stuff earlier, it hit 350 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: me and I always remember this thought stayed with me, 351 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: which is, um, the serial killers that are caught, right, 352 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 1: are often caught because there they were in a decline, 353 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 1: a psychological decline of some sort. Right, So what if 354 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:35,160 Speaker 1: we're just getting the dregs of the serial killer population. 355 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: What if we're just finding the people who were not 356 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: able to sustain their monstrous appetite or to maintain they're 357 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: terrifying addiction to death, or they just weren't that good 358 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: in the first place at being at playing that creepy role. Right, Yeah, exactly, 359 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 1: because there are for every um. For every person who 360 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: gets caught UM because they have done things that clearly 361 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: implicate them in a crime, there are other people who 362 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: are probably getting away with something right now. Now, not 363 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 1: very many, I don't. I don't think that it's a 364 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:19,439 Speaker 1: common thing, but there I'm sure that a simple search 365 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: will show us cases of You know what, one one 366 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 1: type of serial killer that gets around a lot is 367 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: the medical practitioner. Every once in a while kills a patient. Yea, 368 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: not every day, not every year, but every Hey yeah, 369 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: maybe when you're in the hospital. But but we don't 370 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: want to be alarmist. This is very small thing. The 371 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: question is is there any sand to this conspiracy theory 372 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: that serial killers could be part of a cult. Well, 373 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: let's talk about the thing that you left us with 374 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: on and on our video that we made about this. Okay, 375 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: this conspiracy theory relies heavily how did you put it? 376 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:13,239 Speaker 1: Relies heavily on the the information or the statements of 377 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: people who are insane. Oh. Yeah, that that's the little 378 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 1: caveat there, right. Yeah. That The main weakness of this 379 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: conspiracy theory is that relies heavily on the statements of 380 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: serial killers who are again nuts bonkers. Yeah. I mean, 381 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 1: you watch any interview with Charles Manson, any of them. 382 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: I don't care which one. Just watch it, check it out. 383 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 1: And people might say that he's a different case because 384 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:44,439 Speaker 1: it's not because he didn't physically commit you know, the 385 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: Tate la Banca murders. But it's clear. But it's not 386 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: a healthy thing to want to do, to kill multiple 387 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: people for no reason. That is a nice way to 388 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,120 Speaker 1: put it, and and um, I guess, I guess one 389 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 1: thing that we do need to talk about is that 390 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: a lot of these these cult theories originated during a 391 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: moral panic in the United States was called the Satanic Panic. 392 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: And the Satanic Panic was this idea that there were 393 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: numerous cases of child abductions, rapes, and murders um at 394 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: the behest of a secret Satanic network that ran the 395 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 1: the world as we know it went all the way 396 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 1: up the government's all over the world. And that gave 397 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:36,399 Speaker 1: us one fascinating fact about the only pardon it was 398 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: ever received when George Bush was governor of Texas, which 399 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: we just have to mention, people will get mad if 400 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: we don't he he pardoned, Well, it was it was 401 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: George W. Bush as then governor. And then wasn't it 402 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 1: also Jeb Bush who also made Florida in Florida, who 403 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: made a bit of a strange pardon and who was 404 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: that foreben oddest tool was pardoned in Florida? And um, 405 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 1: George W. Bush pardoned Henry Lee Lucas in Texas. This 406 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,679 Speaker 1: was the I believe, the only pardon on the execution board. 407 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: Or didn't they just they stayed their execution or what it? 408 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: What was it exactly then? But I mean both men 409 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 1: died in prison. Yeah, yeah, but they weren't executed because 410 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: because of the bushes um. Now, you know, we don't 411 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,959 Speaker 1: know the story behind that. But that's one of the 412 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: facts that people will always point out to us when 413 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: we say, well, no, they probably weren't part of a cult. 414 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: They're probably making it up. To be honest, Matt, you 415 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: and I do not know the story about those uh 416 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: stays of execution. We don't know what I've been seen. 417 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: I haven't seen any literature on exactly why either of 418 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: those pardons occurred. Now, I do think that there might 419 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: be I'm gonna rate this one as wildly exaggerated, but 420 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,479 Speaker 1: to a degree possible. I think it's completely possible that 421 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: there are groups of people who plan or execute murders 422 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: for ritualistic or ideological purposes. Um some of And we 423 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: know for a fact that there killers who remain uncaught. 424 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 1: There's a stretch of highway in what is it Canada 425 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: where uh an abnormal amount of people turn up missing. 426 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: Uh there is, I think it's in Canada. There's also 427 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: what's called the Train murders spelled t R a n 428 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: e U used to be called the Smiley Face Killer. 429 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's real or if it's an 430 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: urban legend. Maybe people can tell us more about it. 431 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: But long story short, too late, ha ha uh. Is 432 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: there an international community of devil worshippers killing people? Most 433 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: likely there's no way it could happen and remain a secret. 434 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: Is there are there groups of small, small groups of 435 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: lunatics rather who are killing people. Absolutely, there's no way 436 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: around it. There's certainly small groups of lunatics consistently killing people, 437 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: and it is not unreasonable to say that some of 438 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: those groups have yet to be caught. Sure, it makes 439 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: me think of pulp fiction and the guys are on 440 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: the pawn shop. You just every once in a while 441 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: catch somebody in their trap and execute them. And that, 442 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: Oh man, that really creeps me out, and I enjoy that. 443 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: It makes my imagination run wild. But Ben, I think 444 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: we're gonna be giving people nightmares by talking about this. 445 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: Well also, yeah, well we are talking about our statistical anomalies. 446 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: It's there's statistical anomalies, but there are it's also just 447 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: kind of a reality. We a lot of times on 448 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: our show we talked about the human nature and the 449 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: nature of humanity and what the darker side of it, 450 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: what it leads to. And that's exactly what this is. Yeah, 451 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: it is. We would we would like to hear what 452 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: you think. Thank you guys for listening to our episode 453 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: on the serial killer cults conspiracy Matt, what what do 454 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: you want to have people tell us about? I'd like 455 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: to hear um some conspiracy theories about serial killers, especially 456 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: active serial killers. If you have any information, let us 457 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: know the stories you've heard, and then also let us 458 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: know whether you believe them. Yes, please don't cut out 459 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 1: letters from magazine and rearrange them into a letter and 460 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: send it to us, or do well, please God, don't 461 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: do that. Uh. 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