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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. As you all know,

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Speaker 1: and as you've all seen over the past few weeks,

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Speaker 1: the Democrat Party is changing, and not all Democrats are

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Speaker 1: eager to accept those changes.

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Speaker 2: But it's weird because it seems like if you.

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Speaker 1: Step away, and I don't mean step away from the

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Speaker 1: party completely, but I'm saying, if you step away from

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Speaker 1: those radical ideals, you get this intense reaction. And my

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Speaker 1: guest today, former District Attorney of Harris County, Texas, Kim Ogg,

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Speaker 1: is one of those people that has experienced some of

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Speaker 1: that blowback from just stepping away from some of the

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Speaker 1: Democrat ideals. Welcome, former district Attorney. We're so pleased to

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Speaker 1: have you on the podcast.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: I think your topic is relevant and a lot of

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Speaker 4: people feel exactly like you stated that the parties moved

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Speaker 4: away from common sense and things that we all used

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Speaker 4: to agree on that weren't considered partisan, such as crime.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting because this morning I was on Newsmax and

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Speaker 1: they were playing a clip from one of the national

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Speaker 1: TV shows and this woman said, I have been a

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Speaker 1: Democrat for my entire life, a lifelong Democrat, And you

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Speaker 1: know this is decades of being a Democrat, and I

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Speaker 1: have seen the party change, change, change, And she said,

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Speaker 1: I identify with Bernie Sanders, and anyone who doesn't is

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Speaker 1: not a Democrat. And I was shocked. I thought, what,

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Speaker 1: that's the change.

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't you say that's the change.

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Speaker 4: I would say that the last democratic socialist that we

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Speaker 4: read about in history was in Germany, in pre war Germany,

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Speaker 4: and that this concept that the government is supposed to

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Speaker 4: provide everything for us is wrong. What the government is

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Speaker 4: supposed to provide and what we all used to agree on.

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Speaker 3: Is public safety.

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Speaker 4: That we need to be able to go to the

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Speaker 4: store without getting robbed, that we need to allow kids

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Speaker 4: to be able to play in our yards, that.

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Speaker 3: Kind of thing.

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Speaker 4: What we see under bad democratic policies related to public

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Speaker 4: safety are cashless bail and thousands of murders that just

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Speaker 4: don't have to happen. And that's the murders. There's a

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Speaker 4: lot of rapes and robberies when people are out on

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Speaker 4: bond and they have no skin in the game. Their

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Speaker 4: mother's house isn't up, we're not seeing trials for.

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Speaker 3: Years and years.

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Speaker 4: You get mayhem in the neighborhood. And I find that

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Speaker 4: regular people, including Democrats, don't want to live next to

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Speaker 4: a murderer or a rapist on cashless bail. They think

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Speaker 4: that person should be in jail, held pre trial, with

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Speaker 3: Should be, and that's how they used to be.

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Speaker 4: And it's been a huge shock to me as a

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Speaker 4: district's attorney in the fourth largest jurisdiction in the country,

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Speaker 4: to watch Democrats in control of some of our major

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Speaker 4: urban areas, including Houston, go to the this pro crime

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Speaker 4: agenda and act as though victims are the villains.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, and the criminals are the good guys. That's

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Speaker 3: just not the way it is.

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Speaker 2: That has shocked me, the protection for the criminal.

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Speaker 1: And I will say on both sides, I've seen these

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Speaker 1: and there seems to be I don't know if it's

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Speaker 1: the improvement or the invention of social media. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what it is, but there is this desire to

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Speaker 1: has been what's pulled the Democrats to the socialist side.

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Speaker 1: You at AOC, you have Bernie Sanders who started it.

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Speaker 1: You've got Mom Donnie Now who is out there, and

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Speaker 1: they are like these these characters that people just want

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Speaker 2: And even Marjorie Taylor Green on our side.

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Speaker 1: I heard her the other day on Megan Kelly's show

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Speaker 1: saying that she is mad because Speaker Johnson should have

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Speaker 1: And I thought, that's bizarre to me that that's your focus.

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Speaker 1: When you don't have the actual fundamentals of government are

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Speaker 2: It's shocking to me. But having you on here from.

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Speaker 1: Texas, it is really shocking to me because you were involved.

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Speaker 1: You were the district attorney when the Jocelyn Nungary case

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Speaker 4: I was, and I have become close to the family.

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Speaker 4: There is a new victims rights group that is formed

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Speaker 4: not just around this case, but around thousands of murders

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Speaker 4: that occurred my eight year two terms. We filed more

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Speaker 4: than three thy five hundred murders. Just imagine the math.

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Speaker 4: That's more than one a day. So I met not

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Speaker 4: but I met thousands of other families in the same position.

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Speaker 3: And these are not statistics.

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Speaker 4: These are people's brothers, mothers, husbands, wives, children. It didn't

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Speaker 4: have to happen. It doesn't have to keep happening. Criminal justice.

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Speaker 4: In the age of DNA and the Internet and so

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Speaker 4: Some people, some people in the Democratic Party and some

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Speaker 4: people in power who act more like social influencers than

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Speaker 3: Because it takes guts.

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Speaker 4: To stand up against the inevitable criticism that you receive online.

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Speaker 4: My thought is, you know online doesn't vote, either, does

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Speaker 3: By people like George Soros.

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Speaker 4: People vote, and it's people that we're supposed to be

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Speaker 4: serving in government, and the first duty of government is

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Speaker 4: to keep us safe. So we are failing, I think,

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Speaker 3: And that's just.

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Speaker 4: Going to require people getting off their phones, being involved,

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Speaker 4: knowing who their judges. DA's local government is not just

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Speaker 1: Well, that has been something that we on the Republican

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Speaker 1: out these prosecutors, the district attorneys.

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Speaker 2: We need to be aware of their ideology. Because you have.

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Speaker 1: Stated, and I want to mention this, you have stated

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Speaker 1: that it is not a partisan position. However it has

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Speaker 1: become a partisan position. Why why has it become a

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Speaker 1: partisan position? I mean, the law is the law, right,

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Speaker 1: It's like math. It either is or it isn't.

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Speaker 3: I say that all the time. The law is a

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Speaker 4: You apply the law to the facts, and there's either

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Speaker 4: sufficient evidence for somebody to be held in jail and

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Speaker 3: So you're correct. It was never intended to be partisan.

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Speaker 4: Yet we've seen leftist Democrats throw race into the conversation,

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Speaker 4: which is like gasoline on fire, because we do have

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Speaker 4: a divide in the country between black and brown and white,

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Speaker 4: but we don't disagree and never really disagreed overprotecting ourselves

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Speaker 4: My thought is that you don't wipe out an entire

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Speaker 3: And someone died.

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Speaker 4: That was terrible, but it doesn't mean you throw out

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Speaker 4: the entire system. And so I think that the Democratic

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Speaker 4: Socialists took that, they took advantage of the situtuation and

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Speaker 4: You have cops, you have prosecutors, you have judges, you

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Speaker 4: have jail, prison, probation, parole. They don't know who's responsible

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Speaker 4: for what. But they don't want to be endangered by

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Speaker 4: many in Houston from our judges elected local Democratic judges

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Speaker 4: allowed people out on fifteen and sixteen bonds. The absurdity

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Speaker 4: personal recognizance bond. This is unacceptable, but it took our

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Speaker 4: I know that I'm supporting Republican candidates and I'm still

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Speaker 3: And that's what's made me.

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Speaker 1: You said something earlier that crimes, all crimes can be

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Speaker 1: solved with DNA. We have the ability to solve these crimes.

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Speaker 1: So many states have a ton of unsolved crimes on

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Speaker 2: And if we look at just the state.

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Speaker 1: Of Michigan where I'm from, or the state of Illinois

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Speaker 1: where we see Chicago, we have a massive amount of

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Speaker 1: unsolved crimes just in this Midwest area. And you know,

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Speaker 1: we hear people saying, all the president doesn't need to

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Speaker 1: send troops into or a National Guard into Chicago, But

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Speaker 1: what about the people who have lost their family members

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Speaker 1: and they have no closure, and they know those people

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Speaker 1: don't have enough crime labs to do what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: That's where you say, gosh, these are the things that

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Speaker 2: Why aren't we capable of solving the crimes.

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Speaker 4: Well, let me tell you who is really fueling the fire.

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Speaker 1: And I think that what we're seeing with this defense

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Speaker 1: You pointed out that one of the murderers in the

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Speaker 3: Well, they really came after me. You know.

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Speaker 4: It's all an allegation until it's proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's important for us to point out

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Speaker 2: What has this country come to If.

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Speaker 1: We get to the point where we say you, as

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Speaker 4: But on Earth, we have the laws of Man. It's

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Speaker 1: You've been a huge opponent and you mentioned it to

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Speaker 2: But you know, if you've never.

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Speaker 1: Been in a situation where you've needed cash bail or

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Speaker 1: So what is the impact of ending that? What does

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Speaker 4: So this push by Democrats over the last seven years

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Speaker 4: The labs are so important, and yet we had to

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Speaker 4: So the push for cashless bail is a senseless, senseless

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Speaker 1: I know the state of Texas is very lucky to

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Speaker 1: I think it's rare that we see someone who's willing

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Speaker 1: It is really truly country over party. You look at

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Speaker 4: Thanks so much for bringing these issues to light. The

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate that you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, and thank you all for joining

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much and have a blessed day.