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Speaker 2: It is it is a farce.

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Speaker 1: It is crazy what they are doing. Although it does

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Speaker 1: something that's making the rounds right now, we're just talking

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Speaker 4: So that's where I am on the VP front. If

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Speaker 2: The producers are greedy.

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Speaker 1: All of the American government causes inflation. Yes, government causes inflation,

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Speaker 1: Milton Freeman, everybody. Inflation is always and at every time

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Speaker 4: talk with the Israel expert about Biden.

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Speaker 4: We mentioned Biden last night in his CNN sit down interview.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the fundamentals of economics, and I think math actually

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Speaker 8: Eighty years ago, in the Holocaust, the Jewish people were

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Speaker 1: There you have the Prime Minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahoo,

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Speaker 3: Well, Buck, it's always a pleasure to be with you.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's a shameful decision. There are more charitable

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Speaker 3: You know, it may very well continue. I mean, it

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Speaker 1: I was speaking of David Affoon, publisher of the New

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Speaker 1: a real change here or is your expectation that those

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Speaker 3: Well, I think there really is. I mean there changes

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Speaker 3: You know, you don't often see massive shifts from election

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Speaker 3: to election. I do think, you know, October seventh was

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Speaker 3: obviously a once in a general generation event, hopefully not

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Speaker 3: even once in a generation event. But you know, the

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Speaker 3: response and what people have seen them coming across the

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Speaker 3: country and in capitals around the world, and on American

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Speaker 3: college campuses and other places. Really has unsettled people in

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Speaker 3: the Jewish community, I think a lot more than ever before.

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Speaker 3: And you do see people. I mean, I saw Bill Ackman,

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Speaker 3: who has been a Democratic supporter his whole life, praising

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump's statement on Israel this morning. Probably what it's

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Speaker 3: most analogous to is You know, in the last one

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Speaker 3: hundred years, the lowest percentage of the Jewish vote going

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Speaker 3: for a Democrat was when Ronald Reagan ran against Jimmy

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Speaker 3: Carter in nineteen eighty. He had forty five percent of

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Speaker 3: the Jewish vote went for Carter, thirty nine percent went

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Speaker 3: for Reagan. But interestingly, there was a third party candidate,

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Speaker 3: So you had a lot of Jewish voters who said,

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Speaker 3: you know, we know that Carter's bad, We're not quite

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Speaker 3: yet ready to go Republicans, but you know, this guy's

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Speaker 3: a decent option, and you know, there's a possibility I

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Speaker 3: think that RFK is going to be is going to

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Speaker 3: attract a decent segment of elation. He's been very supportive

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Speaker 3: of Israel, and obviously that will at the end of

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Speaker 3: the day help help Trump considerably. I put this to

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Speaker 3: RFK directly, and he denies that the case. He doesn't

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Speaker 3: think it's going to help them electricly, but I.

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Speaker 4: Think it might just I don't think that's about analysis

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Speaker 4: at all, because I think some people might have a

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Speaker 4: difficulty jumping from Biden to Trump, but they see RFK

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Speaker 4: Junior as sort of the palatable middle ground, and effectively

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Speaker 4: that takes a vote away from Biden. I hope there's

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Speaker 4: not a lot of Trump people who see RFK as

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Speaker 4: the palatable middle ground on their way to Biden. Question

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Speaker 4: for you, because you hit on something that we've been

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Speaker 4: talking about on this show for months. My wife's from Michigan.

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Speaker 4: Almost immediately when this conflict started, I saw Michigan as

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Speaker 4: the battleground state with a huge Arab population around Deerborn,

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Speaker 4: so dearborn Southeast Michigan, and also still a large Jewish population,

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Speaker 4: and said, man, given the margins here, this is an

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Speaker 4: untenable issue. Biden's wrong morally, but he's trying to be

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Speaker 4: right politically. So just a hypothetical here for you, what

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Speaker 4: if that dearborn Michigan population were instead in let's say California,

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Speaker 4: a state that Biden knew he was going to win comfortably.

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Speaker 4: Do you think his calculus would be substantially different than

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Speaker 4: in how he was playing this? In other words, how

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Speaker 4: much of this is Biden knows he doesn't get reelected

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Speaker 4: if he loses Michigan, and so he's willing to turn

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Speaker 4: he feels like they're more likely to stick with him

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Speaker 4: than the Arab voter might be. I mean to me, again,

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Speaker 4: there's a moral and a political calculus here. I think

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Speaker 4: Biden's wrong on the moral, but is he right on

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Speaker 4: the political? As you analyze it?

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Speaker 3: You know, whoever is giving him advice on the political

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Speaker 3: you know it? Does you know? I think is making

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Speaker 3: a grave mistakes on a few accounts. First of all,

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Speaker 3: I think it's a mystery to the Muslim population. You know,

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Speaker 3: it's interesting. You know, I was actually talking to a

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Speaker 3: you know, what he thinks of the politics, and he says,

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Speaker 3: I'm all in for Trump. You know, I'm interested in

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Speaker 3: conservative values, traditional values in the economy. So I think

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Speaker 3: to begin with, to think that the Muslim population is

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Speaker 3: going to be sort of a single issue voter when

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Speaker 3: they're actually you know, more traditional Muslims are going to

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Speaker 3: see a lot of a peace ill in Republicans. I

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Speaker 3: think that's the first point that I would make on

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Speaker 3: this score. The second point is, you know, at the

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Speaker 3: end of the day, it is true that in Michigan

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Speaker 3: the Muslim vote outnumbers the Jewish votes considerably, but Michigan

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Speaker 3: is ten electoral college points. Right. In Pennsylvania, the Jewish

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Speaker 3: vote outweighs the Muslim vote by four to one. Right,

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Speaker 3: that's nineteen electric college votes. I don't know if you

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Speaker 3: consider Florida swingste anymore, but the Jewish population there is

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Speaker 3: probably ten times bigger and the same. You know, Arizona

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Speaker 3: has a sizeable Jewish population. Georgia has a sizeable Jewish

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Speaker 3: Jewish population. You know, Ohio has a sizeable Jeish Jewish

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Speaker 3: population in all cases out numbering the Muslim population. So

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Speaker 3: you know, it's like, you know what, well they call

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Speaker 3: it penny foolish pound wise. I mean, great, you know,

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Speaker 3: get Michigan, but lose all these other states. I mean,

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Speaker 3: what the hell are you thinking.

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Speaker 4: Michigan has sixteen electoral votes, by the way, but you're

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Speaker 4: right about the other states, whether it's Pennsylvania, whether it's Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Pennsylvania has over twenty I think I'm just off the

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Speaker 4: top of my head at Pennsylvania's bigger than Michigan. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: for sure in the electoral and it's certainly four.

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Speaker 3: Days nineteen for Pennsylvania and ten maybe maybe changes every election.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We're breaking

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Speaker 4: down a lot of what is going on in the

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Speaker 4: world of politics, not only politics, but also morality as

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Speaker 2: We got a couple of you who want to weigh in.

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Speaker 4: We asked earlier in the first hour for Jewish listeners

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Speaker 4: in particular to call in in the wake of Joe

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Speaker 4: interview with Aaron Burnett of CNN, Nadine in Asheville, North Carolina,

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Speaker 4: gone yet, Nadine.

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Speaker 9: Oh, I don't know. I don't know. Sorry, I'm thinking

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Speaker 4: So I threw you off your game. I'll tell you

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Speaker 4: what they told me. They said, you're Jewish. Your husband

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Speaker 4: left the Democrat Party when Obama was running because you

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Speaker 4: saw this writing on the wall.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, both of us did. We saw the writing on

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Speaker 9: the wall. We saw the direction the Democrat Party was taken,

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Speaker 9: and we have since realized that Trump is the only

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Speaker 9: one that can save this country and it would be

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Speaker 9: It's a shame to see lots and lots of our

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Speaker 9: Jewish friends that are still stuck in the Democrat Party.

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Speaker 9: I don't know if it's just a bad habit. I

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Speaker 9: think that's what it is.

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Speaker 4: Do you have a lot of conversations with people who

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Speaker 4: are in your mind reconsidering their decision or do you

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Speaker 4: see it as the analogy you were just making, Like basically,

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Speaker 4: you're a part of this team and you just don't

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Speaker 4: even recon you don't even consider your allegiance no matter

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Speaker 4: what's going on.

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Speaker 9: I don't reconsider my allegiance at this point from what

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Speaker 9: I see going on. I haven't spoken to anyone that's

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Speaker 9: that's reconsidering. I've had people, and not Jewish people that

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Speaker 9: just simply when I said I want to see our

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Speaker 9: and walked away, didn't even say a word, just stormed away.

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Speaker 9: But Jewish people, I just don't seem to be able

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Speaker 9: to get through to thank.

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Speaker 2: You for the call.

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Speaker 4: This is the question we've been asking. Buck doesn't believe

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Speaker 4: there's going to be a movement I talked about in

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Speaker 4: the first hour that last night, I was texting with

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Speaker 4: a couple of Jewish friends in media who have been Democrats,

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Speaker 4: have been Biden supporters. They're friends of mine, both of them.

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Speaker 4: Last night I was texting with in the wake of this,

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Speaker 4: that doesn't mean that Trump got it, because I think

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Speaker 4: they're still kind of feeling politically homeless. But what we

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Speaker 4: and I do think there's going to be some of this.

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Speaker 2: People won't go all the way.

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Speaker 4: Some people from Biden to Trump, because that means admitting

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Speaker 4: you were one hundred percent wrong. But I do wonder

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Speaker 4: whether that RFK Junior might be a acceptable middle ground

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Speaker 4: where you can show your disdain for Biden but without

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Speaker 4: many people might be willing to do that. I also

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Speaker 4: think Buck there may be a few people out there

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Speaker 4: who won't admit it, but they vote differently when they

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I.

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Speaker 1: we gonna be diving into here together? Because we still

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Speaker 1: have a lot of options, We've got Trump NYC stuff

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Speaker 1: going crazy. Still, what's gonna be top of mind?

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Speaker 2: The plan?

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Speaker 4: First of all, like Davy Crockett himself, I'm going to

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Speaker 4: be going into the woods this weekend, you're gonna have Yes,

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Speaker 4: You've got the show Friday and Monday. I am going

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Speaker 4: to East Tennessee and I am going into the mountains.

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Speaker 4: I'm staying at a great resort with my wife. Mother's

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Speaker 4: Day weekend. We're gonna be away and I legit am

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Speaker 4: gonna be looking for bear. See if I see any

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Speaker 4: bear as I go on hikes. And I'm gonna be

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Speaker 4: taking my Crockett coffee with me so that I can

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Speaker 4: share it. I got some friends that are gonna be

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Speaker 4: there with their wives as well. I'm gonna break out

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Speaker 4: the Crockett coffee to start off in the morning in

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Speaker 4: my pioneering spirit.

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Speaker 1: But you know, we know you're feeling about some instruments. Clay.

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Speaker 1: Does the banjo get you chicks?

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Speaker 2: What do you do like the banjo?

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Speaker 4: I'm a big fan of banjo unless it's being accompanied

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Speaker 4: by people saying squill like a pig, and then that

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Speaker 4: is not a good combination for the Deliverance fans out there,

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Speaker 4: all right. And by the way, that's kind of the

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Speaker 4: part of the country that some of you would say

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Speaker 4: I'm going to be headed into when.

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Speaker 2: We come back.

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Speaker 4: I want to play that Biden clip for you where

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Speaker 4: he directly lies about two different things, one inflation, the

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Speaker 4: other one buck How he became a Green Bay Packer fan.

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Speaker 4: You Wisconsin heights are gonna love that.

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Speaker 2: Next