WEBVTT - Part Four: The Phil Spector Episodes 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:07.680 Alz Media, Hey everybody, Robert here, and the International Academy 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:11.080 of Digital Arts and Sciences have announced that three different 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:14.640 Cool Zone media shows have been nominated for awards at 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:17.720 the thirtieth annual Webby Awards. You can vote on these 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:20.600 now if you just google the name of the podcast 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:24.079 and the category. Behind the Bastards has been nominated in 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:28.280 the Experimental and Innovation Podcasts category. It Could Happen Here 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:32.560 is in the News and Politics Podcasts category, and James 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:36.320 Stout's mini series Migrating to America A Dream Worth Dying 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:40.839 For has been nominated in the Podcasts Documentary category. 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And this week, 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:09.960 as for the last three episodes, my good Pal Grammy 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:15.360 Award winning Greasy Will this guy's here, Yeah is here 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:16.080 to talk to us. 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:19.240 This guy is here to talk to us about Part 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:25.280 four of Phil Specter, which and to be To be fair, 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:27.360 I've been drinking the whole time, but now I feel 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:30.120 like this is a celebratory shot, which is out of 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:32.000 the celebrations. 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:34.119 We out two different recording days, folks. 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:36.760 Yeah, so I can get really because if we'd had 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:40.320 to keep going on the first one, I just wanted 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:43.400 to keep you alive. Yeah, which, by the way, I 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:47.280 have some words for your viewers. Uh oh oh no, 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:51.080 after the grammy hold on to take the shot first. 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:57.200 Uh hey, guys, hey guys, how about how about let's 0:01:57.280 --> 0:01:58.600 not talk about my appearance. 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:01.080 You know, these dark circles under my eyes are genetic. 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:04.040 Every person in my family who has a drug or 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:07.520 alcohol addiction gets them. So this is rude of you 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:12.840 to just assume I'm drinking too much. Was adcast sorry 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:14.000 for having fun? 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:17.600 You know he's still got the job done. 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:21.760 Yeah, I made it through. And then look what you 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:25.440 got out of this. You got me saying dang, dude, 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:27.720 I should tell them about Phil Spector because not everybody 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:29.560 knows the whole story of Phil Spector and it's so 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:33.800 incredibly interesting, which is where we will pick up after 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:38.000 a word from these sponsors or whatever. Wow, some sponsors, 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:48.040 and we're back I always wanted to say that. It 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:48.480 felt right. 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:50.240 You're so professional right now? 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:53.600 Thanks, Yeah, I know. I'm actually I stream every week. 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:53.840 I do. 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:55.560 I spend a lot of time on the Internet. I'm 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:57.799 so good at talking to nobody, so it's amazing to 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:00.320 have somebody to actually talk back to Normally. It's just 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:02.760 like the comment section on one of my stupid ass videos, 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:12.320 which you know, don't so Phil Spector, Uh, he just 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:15.480 had an article when the the I think this is 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:21.080 one of the most insane cause and effects of history 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:25.040 that has ever happened. Because Phil Spector, he has this 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:28.320 journalist come and this journalist writes a piece on him 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:33.800 for the U for Interview magazine or some I wrote 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:35.600 it down, but I don't remember, so let's just pretend 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:39.920 I said it. So he he writes an article for me, 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:42.880 he puts it in this magazine and it comes out 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:50.400 and Phil breaks his sobriety, loses it, starts drinking menacingly, right, 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:53.520 he loses his mind. He's he's, he's kind of it's 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:57.240 it's not a positive article. It's positive in the sense 0:03:57.280 --> 0:04:01.320 that it's like, hey, I'm talking about Phil Spector and relevant. Yeah, yeah, 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:03.640 but it's negative in the fact that, like Phil sees 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:05.800 all the bad things that this guy says about him, 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:10.640 and he starts drinking again, and he finds himself on 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:13.480 the night of February second, two thousand and three, at 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:16.800 the House of Blues. This is where he will run 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:21.480 into Lana Clarkson. And I feel as though we do not. 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:24.560 I mean, it's hard to give victims as much attention 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:27.920 as they deserve, right, It's like, that's that's that's a 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:30.520 very difficult thing because the interesting part of this whole 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:34.200 thing is that Phil Specter is fucking insane and this 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:38.919 was a fairly normal Los Angeles person living their life, 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:42.640 and so it's like the bulk of the story lies 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:45.440 on crazy boy, right. So yeah, I do want to 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:47.920 spend just a moment first off, to show you Lana 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:50.960 Clarkson beautiful. She's beautiful. 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:54.760 This is her a like almost forty years old, probably. 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:58.160 She is a beautiful woman. She was an actress, She 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:02.920 worked in Hollywood. She friends, had many friends, She had 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:05.040 a lot of friends. A lot of people remembered her 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:09.240 lovingly when she was gone. All right, so this is 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:14.760 our story of Lana Clarkson. Lana Clarkson was born on 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:18.080 April fifth, nineteen sixty two in Long Beach, California, and 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:22.320 she grew up in the southern California endless orbit of Hollywood. 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:25.240 You know, it's like the industry always feels really close 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:26.960 to you when you're in Los Angeles, no matter what 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:30.400 suburb you in, it feels like you're you're not far 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:34.560 from the big leagues. Right from an early age, she 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:38.160 gravitated towards performance, and at six feet tall, she had 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:41.640 a striking presence that made her hard to ignore. Like 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:46.120 many Angelino's, Clarkson absorbed the idea that Hollywood rewarded persistence 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:50.000 and if you stayed visible long enough, something would eventually 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:53.080 break your way. And I think that's a very reasonable 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:56.640 Los Angeles feel. It's like, you know, there is a 0:05:56.680 --> 0:05:59.160 lot of there's a lot of hey, you could make 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:01.080 it at any time, I'm here kind of feels. 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:03.800 And it's it's true in that, like it is the 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:07.000 only way people who aren't born into the industry or 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:10.280 whatever succeed. But if you are not a nettle baby, right, 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:13.520 this is the only thing that works. But also it 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:15.880 still fails for ninety percent of people. 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:19.800 To guess, I mean, yeah, I'm being yeah, yeah, that 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:21.040 very optruistic. 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:25.280 Yes, it's it's not. It does not go well for 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:25.880 a lot of people. 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:28.240 But no, I mean, yeah, we're sitting here as two 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:30.679 of the people in our own fields who like managed 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:33.240 to make it through that ninety nine percent thing. And 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:36.800 it is like, I know that a lot of people who, yes, 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:38.920 you know, wound up somewhere else. 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:41.840 I went to school with like seventy five people, and 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:44.279 I know one of them that still has a job 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:48.000 in the audio world. And that is just the I know, 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:50.520 the class before me, the class after me. I know, like, 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:53.600 I know hundreds of people that came in with me, 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:55.800 and I know none of them still having job. 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:59.480 It's wonderful to tell people to chase their dreams. You're 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:03.520 also so you don't lie to them when you do it. Yeah, 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:07.800 you can chase your dreams for a while, you know, 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:11.160 have an exit plan, have a gamble. 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:16.480 Just rationalize, rationalize to yourself, like, here's the thing, right, 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:18.400 this is what I tell people about this, which I 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:20.840 think is the best advice. If you're the type of 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:24.560 person who when people tell them you're never gonna make it, 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:27.920 go like no, no, no, that's you. I make it. 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:30.840 I do it. No one can tell me. In fact, 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:32.480 I'm gonna do it three times as hard because you 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:35.720 said I couldn't. Then maybe this life is for you. 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:40.000 Maybe if you thrive on people telling you know, and 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:42.160 you think that that's the coolest thing ever, and you 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:45.400 just want to shove it in their face, you are 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:48.520 you don't know anything. I'm going to spite you. Third wife, 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:53.880 second wife. Yeah, all right. So by the nearly early 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:57.080 nineteen eighties, she is landing small parts. She's getting some 0:07:57.200 --> 0:08:00.880 brief exposure in mainstream productions. She's in Fast Times at 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:03.800 Richmond High. She's a little little background character in there. 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:05.680 You know her. 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:08.480 Her steadier work came in genre films, where she became 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:12.440 recognizable to audiences through fantasy and cult B movies such 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:16.640 as Barbarian Queen, Barbarian Queen two and Death Stalker Feels 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:21.200 Very You might remember me from such works as Barbarian, 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:27.080 Barbarian Queen two, Death these are these are super B 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:31.200 movie type things. In later years, we get weird about 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:33.920 saying B movies as though we're supposed to call them 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:38.800 like lesser grade movies. I don't know what lesser off market. 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:41.400 I don't know what. It's weird. They're b movies. I 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:43.760 don't know why that suddenly got pc in any way. 0:08:43.800 --> 0:08:46.240 And I'm ranting about this right now because it made 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:46.760 me mad. 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:48.360 It was okay, oh, it. 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:51.839 Made me mad. There was a bunch of articles that 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:55.360 I read about Lona Clarkson specifically that were like, you 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:58.520 should call her a B movie actress. That's degrading, and 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:00.839 I'm like, that's just no love to be We called 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:06.480 Bruce Campbell right being reactor, right exactly anyway, Campbell anyway. So, 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:10.040 but so Barbarian Queen was actually produced by Robin Corman, 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:12.080 who did the original of the nineteen sixty Little Shop 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:15.400 of Horror. So it wasn't They're not like a prestigeal. 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:16.560 But she's connected. 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:20.600 She's doing well yeah and Carman Yeah, that's nobody. Yeah yeah. 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:23.360 And they gave her a foothold in the industry and 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:27.960 a loyal cult following too. She's like an early comic book, 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:32.000 you know, comic con type thing, you know, like shees 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:34.280 show up to those things and all the nerds are like, 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:38.080 Barbarian Queen. Uh, she does kind of. She's type cast, right, 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:41.199 She's a six foot tall, beautiful blonde woman. She is 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:46.160 very much type cast as either the like the warrior 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:49.839 queen or the bimbo. Right, She's like she's in those 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:54.760 two categories. And you know, when you start reaching your 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:57.760 forties that that's a tough one because you're not physically 0:09:57.880 --> 0:09:59.280 the same as you were when you were in your 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:03.160 twenties doing you know, action movies, swinging stories around and everything. 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:06.360 And also you know, it's like as the bimbo role, 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:09.560 it's like you're starting to look older, right of course, 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:12.360 And I'm not trying to be derogatatory toy. It's just 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:14.679 the industry we live in. It's an honest thing that 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:18.839 we have. You know, it's Hollywood. So as the years 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:22.080 passed though, she leans into the identity and she's attending 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:25.400 comic and genre conventions where she signs autographs and she 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:27.880 stays connected to her fans. She has a website in 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:30.959 the early two thousands, which is something you know, like 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:33.880 you're connecting that that's the you know, the heartbeat of 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:37.760 nerds if you had a website in the early two thousands. 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:42.400 But you know, Hollywood has a way of quietly moving 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:44.640 on from people, and as the directive video boom of 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:46.839 the eighties faded, so did many of the roles that 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:49.880 had sustained her. Her career didn't collapse so much as 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:53.800 just narrow. You know, it's a slow erosion of opportunity. 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:56.920 And everybody in la was going it goes through it. 0:10:57.000 --> 0:10:59.920 You know, it's like there's just less roles for the old, 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:04.559 older woman than there is for the young buxom beauty 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:09.760 or whatever. You know. In the early two thousands, while 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:12.680 at a house party, she's dancing in her high heels 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:15.440 and she slips and falls, breaking both of her wrisk. 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:19.760 The accident derailed her acting career because of course you're 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:23.440 not You're not going to auditions with two two broken 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:29.640 risks or whatever. And and and you know she's starting 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:32.280 to see her career kind of slip away. You can't 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:34.839 in the in the world, in this world, in the 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:37.280 all the entertainment, you can't take a break, Robert. You 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:41.040 know that you work yep seven hundred days a year. Yeah, 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:44.280 you are working like you are a busy bee over 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:46.360 there doing episodes all the time, which is why I'm here. 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:53.320 You alive, yes, and you have an amazing productive output. 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:55.840 But it is you know, if you were to force 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:58.760 to take a long break, you know, it could damage 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:01.760 your career because people move on. You know, that's just 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:06.400 the fact of what happens. Yeah, So she begins pivoting 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:09.680 to comedy. She starts writing her own stand up act, 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:12.880 and like she's trying to do other things like get 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:16.400 out of her type cast. Around two thousand and two, 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:18.800 while Clarkson was still pursuing acting, she takes a job 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:21.200 at the House of Blues on Sunset Strip. She gets 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:24.079 a job working in the Foundation room upstairs, which is 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:28.319 where musicians and industry figures and celebrities are all kind 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:31.520 of hanging out. It's the VIP room of the Hollywood 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:35.760 Sunset Strip. Like, so you know, it's a good place 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:41.040 to be still being connected, right, Yeah. Like many who 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:45.080 took those jobs, she understood that proximity could still mean possibility, 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:47.720 and she hoped that meeting the right person might reopen 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:50.559 doors that had quietly closed. It was the kind of 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:54.240 compromise that Hollywood encourages you to, like stay close enough 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:57.160 to the spotlight so you can kind of, you know, 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:01.200 be in proximity of good things happening. If you spent 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:04.319 any time in any entertainment industry at all, like you 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:07.480 get what's going on. Like some sometimes the phone just 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:10.839 stops ringing, and you got to start hustling in different ways. 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:11.280 Yeah. 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:16.000 Right, on the night of February second, Clarkson was working there. 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:18.840 And she's still holding onto the idea that her story 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:22.200 in Hollywood isn't finished. She's forty years old, but she's 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:26.000 still hopeful, still recognizable in certain circles, and still navigating 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:29.920 that fragile space between past visibility and future chance. The 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:34.320 night she met Phil Spector that would, you know, bring 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:36.280 her into infamy for the rest of her life, but 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:41.800 obviously for the worst reason. Yeah, Lana's story is the 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:45.240 story of a billion people, right, It's like we've seen 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:48.000 so many of these, you know, they flicker for a 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:51.040 little bit, but they you know, it's it's hard. This 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:53.079 is a hard city. There is not a lot of 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:56.599 room to have a billion Robert Downey juniors, right, we 0:13:56.720 --> 0:13:59.880 need right, like people will come and go. That's how 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:03.920 it's hard. It's harder for a woman probably, you know, 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:06.400 like this town chows people up and spitzer out. So 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:10.600 but she's still hopeful. She is writing on her blogs 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:13.599 really hopeful things all the time. I'm excited about this. 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:17.480 I wanted to there's no there's no air of like 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:20.400 sadness around what is going on. And this is important 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:24.880 because she's about to end up dead and there's going 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:27.720 to be a lot of doubt cast upon her mental 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:31.880 state at this time. But yeah, seemingly she's a very 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:35.600 happy person, still believes in like the best will come 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:35.920 for her. 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:36.760 Right. 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:41.400 When Clarkson first encountered Spector, she miss she reportedly mistook 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:42.160 him for a woman. 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:44.880 Keep in mind, she's she's six foot tall. He's five 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:45.360 foot four. 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:48.600 He's wearing big wigs and like dressing all crazy, like 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:51.920 he's got platform heels and shit, why is. 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:54.080 He wearing because he wants to be taller. Yeah, of 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:56.080 course she mistakes him. Yes, that makes sense. 0:14:56.200 --> 0:15:00.440 Yeah, he looks like an old woman in Hollywood. Yeah, 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:04.120 by this time, he's like he's wearing elaborate wigs and 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:07.960 eccentric clothing and his theatrical presentation kind of become a 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:10.920 part of his public persona. All right, he walked, He 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:14.840 walks right into the Foundation Room, no hesitation, just like 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:17.920 walks straight in there. And this is a high class 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:22.000 VIP area. So Lana Clarkson, being the hostess of the 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:28.320 Foundation Room, is like, hey, o hey, ma'am, missus, lady, 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:31.280 you know. She's like trying to stop him from walking 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:34.160 to know who he is, and he gives her the 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:37.640 old don't you know who I am? I'm not a 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:42.120 missus like I'm Phil fucking Specter. Now, keep in mind, 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:46.960 is fucking two thousand and three, right, Yeah, it was 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:51.800 in the seventies. It's been a minute, right, two whole 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:55.960 generations have come and gone of people no longer listening 0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:58.200 to his music regularly. 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:01.280 So it's like nobody knows who he is, and you know, 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:03.320 and this is a very classic la you. 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:05.040 Don't know who I am? You know who I am. 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:06.280 I can't believe you don't know who I am? 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:09.680 Has happened to anybody who encountered somebody who was even 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:11.920 slightly famous in Los Angeles. 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:14.440 That you So I wanted to tell this side story 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:15.960 because it was one of the funniest things that's ever 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:17.840 happened to me in the industry. I had a guy 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:19.160 say that to me, you don't know who I am? 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:22.640 And I said, I said no, and I know tons 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:28.240 of people, so that is so embarrassing for you. And 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:31.120 they were like, and they were like, what's your name? 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:33.280 You're never gonna work in this town again. And I 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:36.920 was like my name greasy wheler man, write it down, 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:40.560 take a picture. I don't give a fuck, do you know? 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:43.280 And I was like, I hear that so often. It 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:45.880 means nothing. It's lost all meaning to me. And he 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:49.080 turns out. So it turns out. The next day he 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:51.920 calls my last boss, the boss that I had at 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:54.400 the time working at the studio. He calls her and 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:58.840 she says, and this is a quote from her direct quote, 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:02.000 Kandas Stewart, she's the homie. She said, you know that 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:05.960 guy's killed people before. You should probably you should probably 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:06.760 not anger him. 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:14.200 Beefing with Sugar night. 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:20.000 No context of or anything, just you know that guy's 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:22.760 killed people, right, No? 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:24.680 How not? Why not? Where? 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:26.280 All? Right? 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:32.280 So Lana's manager steps into the situation, you know, the heat, 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:35.240 Phil loses his mind. Manager steps in, Sorry, mister specter, 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:36.879 we got to the table for you. Let's put you 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:39.800 down like we got everything. And Lana is super embarrassed, 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:43.520 she's super apologetic, like she's pretty new to the job still, 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:47.040 she hasn't been working there long and uh, and you 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:49.639 know she's trying, she's doing this to meet people, and 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:52.560 now she's just angered of what she perceives to be 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:53.919 a very powerful person. 0:17:55.520 --> 0:18:00.359 But again, it's like early two thousands. How was she 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:02.119 supposed to know who Phil Spector is? 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:06.359 One hundred percent? One hundred percent? So she's trying to 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:07.960 make up for it. She does her best to try 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:11.320 and like give him extra attention, oh, mister Spector. And 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:17.760 Phil seems to really enjoy getting this, like, oh, now 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:20.320 you care about who I am feeling? You know, it's like, 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:23.480 you know, he seems to really feel empowered by the 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:26.520 whole thing. Uh, the waitress, if you remember, he goes 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:29.480 he went to Dantanna's with another date, a high school friend. 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:32.560 Then he takes her home because she's like, I don't 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:33.960 I don't want to get lit anymore. And he was 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:35.719 like all right, So he takes her home, and then 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:37.840 he comes back and starts drinking with the waitress, right, 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:41.000 and then he takes the waitress to the House of Blues, 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:43.800 and then at the House of Blues, the waitress is like, 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:46.320 I don't want to drink anymore. I need to go home. 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:49.120 I gotta work tomorrow. Right, It's it's like late, it's 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:51.879 near closing time. He comes in, like very close to 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:54.720 closing time, and it's late. It's like almost two am, 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:57.639 and she's like, I'm trying to go home. So Phil's like, 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:00.960 go go have my driver to make you home. Get 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:02.240 the fuck out of here. I don't want to be 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:04.840 seen with somebody not drinking. He's like making fun of her. 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:06.600 He's like mad that she wants she orders the water. 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:09.240 He's like, nobody drinks water around me? Are you crazy? Party? 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:09.680 Yeah? 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:12.520 You know, want a party, you know. So so he 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:17.080 sends her home and then he starts trying to put 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:20.480 his moves on Lana Clarkson. Right. She's now she's in 0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:25.480 a position of very serious power imbalance. You know, this 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:29.240 is this is a very Weinstein esque power imbalance where 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:32.119 now she not only is she you know, trying to 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:34.720 make things up to him, but he's also feeling the 0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:38.359 joy of being in that situation and pushing things even further. 0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:40.440 He's like, yeah, have it, sit down, have a drink 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:43.760 with me, and she's like, I can't. My boss says no. 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:45.800 He's like, tell your boss that I'll leave if if 0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:47.680 you don't sit down and have a drink, like you know, 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:49.880 like he's he's going off on this ship. 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:53.520 Yeah, and he really has never gotten used to not 0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:54.920 having that much power. 0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:58.040 Yes, like, yeah, yeah, for sure, he still enjoys it. 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:00.359 Like for some people it gets to that point like, bro, 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:02.280 it's not even like fun anymore. I only want to 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:04.760 like I just want to be left alone, you know. 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:11.360 But for him, he clearly still is like yes, so yeah, 0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:13.800 you know, I'm sure Lana led on that she was 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:18.239 an actress probably during the conversations, because that's what you do, right, 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:20.919 You've seen this situation a thousand times in Hollywood, because 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:23.560 that's networking. That's what would you believe networking. 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:28.199 Is anyway, So he's telling, you know her, come back 0:20:28.240 --> 0:20:28.640 to my place. 0:20:28.680 --> 0:20:30.080 Come back to my place. Is almost closing time. We 0:20:30.119 --> 0:20:31.480 got to get out of here. Let's come back to 0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:33.640 my place in Alhambra. We'll talk about things. I'll show 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:38.000 you some stuff. Phil notoriously loved taking people to his 0:20:38.080 --> 0:20:40.440 house and showing him his like five seconds in Easy 0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:42.760 Rider all the time and being like not send them 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:46.600 a baby. So I'm sure he was like, you know, 0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:49.360 I was an easy Rider, right, yeah, yeah. 0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:51.840 Is not close. 0:20:53.840 --> 0:20:57.639 So so the distance between the House of Blues and 0:20:57.720 --> 0:20:59.720 Alhambra is far it is. 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:00.960 That's not closed. 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:03.920 That's far far far, right, It's like, yeah, this and 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:08.360 this is important to this conversation because at two o'clock 0:21:08.480 --> 0:21:11.400 in the morning, you don't leave. 0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:16.440 Your safety network with an extremely. 0:21:15.640 --> 0:21:18.879 Intoxicated man, no matter who it is, unless you're not 0:21:20.200 --> 0:21:22.400 feeling a bit like I got to take a chance 0:21:22.480 --> 0:21:24.720 on this, like this might be an opportunity for me, 0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:27.320 you know. And this is this is very clad. This 0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:29.600 is just just power balance, you know, It's just what 0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:32.159 it is. It's how it's how Hollywood operated for a 0:21:32.280 --> 0:21:34.800 long long time, and it's only now starting to get 0:21:34.840 --> 0:21:37.840 even the tiniest bit. Better follow me for no more 0:21:37.920 --> 0:21:41.480 inside stories of the horrible things that happen in this town. 0:21:42.240 --> 0:21:45.879