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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, we have such an interesting show for you today.

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Speaker 1: Senator Tammy Baldwin joins us to talk about the Republican

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Speaker 2: Spoiler, he doesn't live in Wisconsin.

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Speaker 1: Then we will talk to congressional candidate Sue Altman, who

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Speaker 1: is taking on a vulnerable House Republican in.

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Speaker 2: Central New Jersey.

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Speaker 1: But first we have the host of the Time of

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Speaker 1: Monsters the Nations, G Tire. Welcome back, too, Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: fan favorite and my personal favorite, G Tier.

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Speaker 3: You always be my favorite.

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Speaker 1: This is like one of these weeks where I keep thinking, well,

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Speaker 1: need to talk about Mitch McConnell because yesterday, the grim

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Speaker 1: Father Time is undefeated. He's going to roll it up.

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Speaker 1: He's going to make room for Maga. He is no

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Speaker 3: What interesting what Mitch McConnell his announcement that he's going

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Speaker 3: interesting that you know, you mentioned his age. The younger

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I'm struck by with McConnell, though,

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Speaker 3: Maybe another way to put it is that the smartness

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Pritzker, please come here and run for governor.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, and just very annoying on all parts. Let's talk

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Speaker 1: Bill Ackman, who is very, very very rich, and because

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why he did both things. First he actually said,

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Speaker 1: Senator Tammy Baldwin.

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Speaker 2: I am delighted to be back. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: We are delighted to have you. Also, first we have

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Speaker 2: Right now.

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Speaker 1: You got to talk to me about the IVF thing,

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Speaker 1: because it's like it's so top of right now, and

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Speaker 1: Senate with IVF and your namesake, Tammy Duckworth.

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Speaker 6: Well, let me start a little bit further back, which

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Speaker 6: They prevented it, they blocked it, and it is so

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Speaker 6: Like, no, thanks, that's exactly right. And this is the

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Speaker 1: One of the things that I'm struck by is so

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Speaker 6: I think that they're setting us up for some really

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Speaker 2: Listen, they took.

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Speaker 1: So you are running for reelection the state of Wisconsin,

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about how important your state is and also

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so it's not an exaggeration to say that Wisconsin

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Speaker 6: very likely rematch between Trump and Biden, it's going to

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Speaker 6: be hard fought. And now in Wisconsin we have just

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Speaker 6: last week a candidate recruited by Washington DC Republicans launching

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Speaker 6: his campaign. Let me tell you a little bit about

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Speaker 6: my opponent, Eric Hovedy. He's a California bank owner. He's

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Speaker 6: the president and CEO of Sunwest Bank, a two point

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Speaker 6: eight billion dollar California bank. He has a seven million

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Speaker 6: dollar ocean view estate.

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Speaker 2: In Laguna Beach.

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Speaker 6: He lives so much of the time in California that

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Speaker 6: three years in a row he was named among the

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Speaker 6: most influential business people of Orange County. Wisconsin doesn't have

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Speaker 6: an Orange County.

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Speaker 2: This guy.

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Speaker 6: This guy hangs around at California, but he is coming

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Speaker 6: back to Wisconsin to run and fund. You know, it's

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Speaker 6: no wonder he was recruited by Washington d C Republicans.

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Speaker 6: They want these candidates who doesn't matter where they live.

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Speaker 6: They want him to come to Wisconsin spend his own

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Speaker 6: fortune on the race. Eric Hovdey has said he'd spend

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Speaker 6: as much as twenty million dollars maybe more on the race,

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Speaker 6: and within one week of the launch of his campaign,

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Speaker 6: he's up on television. He did a million dollars statewide

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Speaker 6: TV buy to get up. You know, it's eight and

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Speaker 6: a half months out. That's a long time.

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Speaker 1: You know. They have to do that because all of

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Speaker 1: the other Republican donor money is going to Donald Trump's

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Speaker 1: legal bills. So they had to pick very rich candidates

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Speaker 1: this cycle.

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Speaker 6: And they're doing that all over the United States, including

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Speaker 6: in the battleground state of Wisconsin. So in my campaign,

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Speaker 6: it's people power. I can't self fund, so we rely

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Speaker 6: on folks to join in from all over the country

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Speaker 6: on Tammy Baldwin dot com and help fuel this campaign.

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Speaker 6: But he's just writing his own check, right, And I want.

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Speaker 1: To talk about this as a broader trend in Republican

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Speaker 1: politics because it is a fascinating broader trend. You see

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Speaker 1: that in Wisconsin, right, you have a guy who doesn't

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Speaker 1: live in Wisconsin running for Senate. You got that in

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Speaker 1: Pennsylvania you have a guy who doesn't live in Pennsylvania

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Speaker 1: running for Senate, right, he lives in Connecticut. You're seeing

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Speaker 1: that these sort of billionaire carpetbaggers coming in on the ground,

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Speaker 1: so you have to raise it ten times more money

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Speaker 1: than you would otherwise, right, I mean that's the net

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Speaker 1: of this or is there other I mean, like on

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Speaker 1: the ground, do people see that this guy doesn't even live.

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Speaker 2: Here or are they sort of being lulled?

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Speaker 6: He was born in Wisconsin, but since he hasn't really

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Speaker 6: lived in Wisconsin, people don't know who the heck he is.

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Speaker 6: But he can buy that name recognition. And that's what

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Speaker 6: he's doing right now by spending a million dollars in

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Speaker 6: the first couple of weeks of his campaign on television

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Speaker 6: saying Hey, this is who I am and trying to

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Speaker 6: up his name recognition. So that's what's happening right now.

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Speaker 6: But as we see this playbook, what I really want

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Speaker 6: people to start focusing on is, Okay, where are we

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Speaker 6: on the issues? He does not represent Wisconsin values. We

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Speaker 6: just had a long conversation about reproductive choice and freedom

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Speaker 6: IVF et cetera. By the way, he ran in twenty

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Speaker 6: twelve for US Senate, lost, came in second in the

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Speaker 6: Republican primary, and then left the state again. In twenty twelve,

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Speaker 6: he said he is absolutely opposed to abortion rights, that

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Speaker 6: he was opposed to embryonic stem cell research that he

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Speaker 6: you know, was one hundred percent pro life. He's now

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Speaker 6: being very squishy on the IVF issue, as many Republicans are,

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Speaker 6: but I have to hold him in his original word.

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Speaker 6: And so we need voters in Wisconsin to note that

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Speaker 6: he is fine with a national abortion ban, that he

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Speaker 6: is fine with the fact that there is very very

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Speaker 6: little access to reproductive abortion care and reproductive care in

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Speaker 6: the state of Wisconsin. And then you know, that's just

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Speaker 6: one issue. He wants to overcur in the Affordable Care Act.

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Speaker 6: He wants to cut back on Social Security and Medicare.

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Speaker 6: He's okay with lowering his own taxes for the ultra rich,

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Speaker 6: but he wants middle class of working families to pay

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Speaker 6: a little more.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, this is what Wisconsin I need to know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's such an interesting thing because IVF

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Speaker 1: it's very hard to find normal educated people who don't

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Speaker 1: believe that IVF is a net benefit, right, I mean

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Speaker 1: most people. I mean it's hard to find people who don't,

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Speaker 1: you know, who either haven't had a kid through IVF

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Speaker 1: or haven't at least been grateful that it's available if

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Speaker 1: they need it. I mean, one of the things I've

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Speaker 1: really been impressed with this Republican Party is at every

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Speaker 1: point they have let the zealots lead, and.

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Speaker 2: So at every point, even though it was.

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Speaker 1: Politically quite stupid, even in my head, I thought, well,

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Speaker 1: they'll never go after if it's too stupid.

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Speaker 2: IVF doctors a huge amount of money.

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Speaker 1: It's a you know, like there's a reason we don't

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Speaker 1: have tort reform, right, Like this is a group that's

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Speaker 1: very powerful, Like you're not going to go against them.

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Speaker 2: And in fact, at every point.

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Speaker 1: Republicans have just made the stupidest, shockingly stupid choices.

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Speaker 6: Yes, we're seeing it unfold in real time.

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Speaker 1: Bully, Here you are speaking to a you know, people

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Speaker 1: of Wisconsin.

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Speaker 2: You're on the ground.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're also in the Senate, but you're back

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Speaker 1: in Wisconsin a lot.

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Speaker 2: What is the mood on the ground, Because one of

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Speaker 2: the things.

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Speaker 1: I've really been struck by is that it feels like

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Speaker 1: the mood in the pundit industrial complex is somewhat.

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Speaker 2: Removed from the mood on the ground.

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Speaker 1: So I'm curious what you're seeing in Wisconsin when you're

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Speaker 1: talking to constituents.

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Speaker 6: Well, certainly, the issue of access to full reproductive options

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Speaker 6: is still very resonant in Wisconsin. And I want to

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Speaker 6: just talk about that for a quick second here, because

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Speaker 6: I do get a chance to travel, and in the Washington,

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Speaker 6: DC area, there are very few restrictions, and there's a

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Speaker 6: palpable difference to be in a state or the district

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Speaker 6: where the consequence of DOBBS is pretty minor, and then

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Speaker 6: to be in a state like Wisconsin, which for fifteen

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Speaker 6: months had no access at all because of a law

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Speaker 6: passed in eighteen forty nine that was initially widely viewed

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Speaker 6: as a criminal abortion ban, and to hear the harrowing

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Speaker 6: stories of Wisconsinites who had a crisis in their pregnancy

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Speaker 6: who miscarried or partially miscarried and couldn't get services and

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Speaker 6: were literally bleeding or becoming getting a high fever and

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Speaker 6: not being able to access healthcare, and so you know,

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Speaker 6: when I'm home, this issue is still very palpable. I

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Speaker 6: just want to explain there are now a couple of

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Speaker 6: Planned parenthood clinics providing service, three in fact, but that

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Speaker 6: means three counties have service. Sixty nine counties don't have access.

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Speaker 6: And that's because a trial court judge said that they

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Speaker 6: believe this eighteen forty nine statute was not intended to

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Speaker 6: cover this particular situation. But again, Wisconsin is one of

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Speaker 6: those states where people get at a fundamental level what

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Speaker 6: the Dobbs decision has meant and are very aware that

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Speaker 6: folks are coming after other rights and freedoms that were

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Speaker 6: implicated in the Dobbs decision. So that's certainly something that

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Speaker 6: I think will motivate many voters. But beyond that, you know,

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Speaker 6: I think we are still feeling the sting of prices

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Speaker 6: at the grocery store.

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Speaker 2: Even though you.

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Speaker 6: Know, we read reports all the time that show how

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Speaker 6: dramatically inflation has come down, We're seeing that the corporations

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Speaker 6: have not lowered the price of their products that people

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Speaker 6: rely on at the grocery store. But constituency democrats taking

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Speaker 6: on that fight, whether it's to lower the price of

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Speaker 6: healthcare and prescription drugs or standing up to corporate greed

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Speaker 6: and saying, look, there needs to be a watchdog on

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Speaker 6: behalf of consumers. And so you know, that's resonant also,

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Speaker 6: So those are our issues that are on the top

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Speaker 6: of line, but these are really in Wisconsin, it's pocketbook

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Speaker 6: issues that people are focused on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the thing that like with the Biden

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Speaker 1: shrink flation, like pundits really made fun of that, but

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Speaker 1: actually think that people are quite irritated that they buy

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Speaker 1: a bag of Doritos and there are less Dorinos.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, they do it because they don't think we're going

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Speaker 6: to notice, like, oh, it's still the same price, but oh,

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Speaker 6: family sizes went from sixteen ounces for your weekends to

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Speaker 6: fourteen ounces. The toilet tissue is smaller, and the paper towels,

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Speaker 6: and they're putting less dish soap in the same sized bottle,

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Speaker 6: but it's just filled a little bit less. Come on,

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Speaker 6: Consumers have enough on their minds to have to be

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Speaker 6: measuring every ounce is kind of crazy. We do need

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Speaker 6: a sort of government watchdog on our side, I.

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Speaker 2: Think, Yeah, I think it's really interesting.

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Speaker 1: I mean, one of the things I've really been struck

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Speaker 1: by with Joe Biden, and pundum world is very mad

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Speaker 1: at him right now for some reasons real and some

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Speaker 1: reasons imagine. But what I am very struck by is

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Speaker 1: that she makes these sort of old school pushes for

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Speaker 1: things that voters want, like more chips in the bag

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Speaker 1: of chips and junk fees.

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Speaker 2: I think another great example, yeah, junk fees.

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Speaker 6: When he talked about that at the last State of

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Speaker 6: the Union and dress and I think a lot of

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Speaker 6: people were like, what are junk fees?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 6: Then they look at their you know, all the different

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Speaker 6: fees and things that are attached to various lonthly bills

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Speaker 6: they pay or one time only.

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Speaker 2: It's quite something.

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Speaker 6: It stacks up, it piles up, and people see it

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Speaker 6: every day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's incredible. Tammy Baldwin, I hope you will

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Speaker 1: come back.

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Speaker 6: Well, thank you. I really appreciate the invitation.

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Speaker 1: Sue Altman is a congressional candidate in New jersey is

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Speaker 1: seventh district. Welcome to Fast Politics, Sue Altman.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Walie, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: So you're running for the United States House of Representatives tell.

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Speaker 2: Us, yes, I am so.

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Speaker 7: New Jersey's seventh district, which is the district that goes

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Speaker 7: from coast to coast in New Jersey, from the Delaware

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Speaker 7: River all the way to whatever that body of water

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Speaker 7: is that separates us from Staten Islands. It's a very

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Speaker 7: interesting district. It's not the Hudson. It's a different body

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Speaker 7: of water. What is it, I don't know, has a

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Speaker 7: long dut name. So NJ seven is currently represented by

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Speaker 7: Tom Kain Junior. And this is a guy whose dad

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Speaker 7: is the former governor back when I was a baby.

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Speaker 1: He's a total depo baby, which again a condition near

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Speaker 1: and dear in my heart, but not so good for leadership.

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Speaker 2: Exactly.

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Speaker 7: So he was a state senator for a long time.

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Speaker 7: He doesn't hold town paulls, he doesn't make public appearances.

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Speaker 7: Just last week, we had a whole big demonstration outside

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Speaker 7: of this fancy schmancy golf course in Union County because

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Speaker 7: guess what he was hosting, Mike Johnson, the awful Speaker

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Speaker 7: of the House Republican, obviously, where a fundraiser there, and

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Speaker 7: the people of New Jersey just weren't having it. So

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Speaker 7: they actually ended up moving the fundraiser, I think because

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Speaker 7: they were so scared because we had this whole protest

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Speaker 7: going on outside and God forbid we disturb them. But

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Speaker 7: he doesn't make public appearances, and so instead he takes

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Speaker 7: his marching orders from Johnson, he takes his marching orders

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Speaker 7: from Trump is no spine. And what I have to

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Speaker 7: bring to the seventh is I'm a lifelong fighter for

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Speaker 7: the people of New Jersey and I plan on continuing

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Speaker 7: that fight in Congress.

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Speaker 2: So one of the reasons why we're having you on

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Speaker 2: is because you are part of these flippable seats to

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Speaker 2: one of these d triple c red to blue where

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Speaker 2: the House of the.

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Speaker 1: Control of the House of Representatives, which right now my

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Speaker 1: Johnson has by two seats YEP, will come down to

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Speaker 1: districts like yours. So tell us about your district and

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Speaker 1: sort of about how you plan.

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Speaker 2: To win it.

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Speaker 7: Oh, it is such a winnable district. So it turns

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Speaker 7: out this is the most highly educated district in the

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Speaker 7: whole country still represented by a Republican with his prime

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Speaker 7: for the taking. It's the place I've lived most of

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Speaker 7: my life. I grew up in Hunting County. You actually

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Speaker 7: have three components of this district. You have the rural part,

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Speaker 7: the last remaining rural area in the northern part of

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Speaker 7: New Jersey, which has got Warren in Sussex County, which

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Speaker 7: is really interesting because Tom Kain Junior is not, by

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Speaker 7: no means a guy who's familiar with farms or rural

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Speaker 7: areas or has any connection to that lifestyle at all.

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Speaker 7: So I think there's a lot of votes we can

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Speaker 7: get out there. Then we have a big affluent suburban area,

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Speaker 7: and I grew up and I know we grew up

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Speaker 7: in this area. I know a lot of people who

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Speaker 7: are Republicans in this area, particularly women on affiliated voters,

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Speaker 7: and they are so frustrated with the direction the Republican

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Speaker 7: Party has taken. When they signed up to be voters,

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Speaker 7: they signed up with Christine Todd Whitman was the governor,

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Speaker 7: a pro environment, pro choice. Look, I don't agree with

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Speaker 7: her on a lot of issues, but she was part

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Speaker 7: of that sort of old school Republican, kind of normy

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Speaker 7: Republican world that is not the Republican Party that we

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Speaker 7: have today.

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Speaker 2: And the people in this.

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Speaker 7: District are extremely frustrated and think that the Republican Party

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Speaker 7: has gone completely off the rails. And Tom Kane Junior,

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Speaker 7: who maybe they thought might have been a moderate or

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Speaker 7: he ran as a moderate the last time he ran,

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Speaker 7: simply hasn't been acting like a moderate in Congress. He

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Speaker 7: has no spine at all. But then on the eastern

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Speaker 7: side of the district is the more urban side of

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Speaker 7: the district Rahway and Linden, and those are directly connected

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Speaker 7: to New York City by train, as is much of

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Speaker 7: my district. So we can find votes in every nook

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Speaker 7: and cranny of this district. It is a district that

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Speaker 7: Biden won by four points, so this is not a

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Speaker 7: trumpy district. It's a presidential year, so turnout will be

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Speaker 7: very high. And I think people are ready for change.

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Speaker 7: They're sick of cronyism, they're sick of the nepotism, and

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Speaker 7: they're ready for someone who will go to Congress and

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Speaker 7: fight for the people represent them. Tom Pain doesn't have

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Speaker 7: town halls. It's disrespectful to the people in this district.

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Speaker 7: So I will make myself available.

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Speaker 2: I already have.

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Speaker 7: He's creating a vacuum, and this campaign's going to fill it.

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Speaker 1: One of the things I think is quite interesting about

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Speaker 1: this kind of Republican is there used to be you

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Speaker 1: would have these sort of center of the road Republicans,

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Speaker 1: But because the leadership in the House is so incredibly dysfunctional,

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Speaker 1: they don't have the votes to let those people vote

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Speaker 1: against crazy stuff.

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Speaker 2: So Tom has had to.

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Speaker 1: Vote for I mean, unless I'm not completely sure, but

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Speaker 1: I would assume he's had to vote for the majorcus

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Speaker 1: of peachment, Biden impeachment. He's had to vote for, you know,

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Speaker 1: cutting a cr that cuts to the budget for twenty percent.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's probably voted for some pretty insane messaging bills.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there is no room for moder it's anymore

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Speaker 1: in that party.

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Speaker 7: And look, that's their problem, that's not our problem. Our

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Speaker 7: problem is to punch them in the ballot box for

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Speaker 7: choosing extremism as a party, which is what they've done.

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Speaker 7: Have enabled Trump, They've enabled extremism. There is so little

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Speaker 7: courage in that party. They deserve to lose this race,

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Speaker 7: and they lose it badly, and not just this right

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Speaker 7: all over the country, and they deserve to love the House.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I never thought that they would come out against IVF.

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Speaker 1: You know, they refuse to support the bill to codify it,

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Speaker 1: and in the House, and a Paulina Luna you may

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Speaker 1: remember her as a complete lunatic, just took her name

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Speaker 1: off the House version of it.

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Speaker 7: The attack on women's rights is appalling, and I think

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Speaker 7: in my district in particular, this is what I'm hearing

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Speaker 7: the most from a lot of the swing voters who

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Speaker 7: might otherwise be Republicans. This has settled law in New Jersey,

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Speaker 7: not just on the books, this is settled law culturally. Abortion, IVF,

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Speaker 7: contraception gain marriage. I mean, these are issues that, like

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Speaker 7: people in New Jersey haven't litigated for a generation. And

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Speaker 7: the idea that the Republicans are forcibly taking us back

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Speaker 7: to have to have these conversations again. I mean, I

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Speaker 7: will tell you the eyebrows have been raised in this

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Speaker 7: district and there's just noo for the way this party

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Speaker 7: is treating women. And I think you're going to see

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Speaker 7: a major backlash this cycle. And then as a woman running,

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Speaker 7: I think I'm a great messenger for that. And I've

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Speaker 7: had many friends who've had IVF and you know, and

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Speaker 7: the idea that this is that all controversial really boggles

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Speaker 7: the mind.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I guess they think that women don't vote,

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Speaker 1: or don't read, or don't notice, or they just don't care.

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Speaker 7: I'm not sure there's a galaxy rain strategist think at

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Speaker 7: all this stuff out.

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Speaker 2: I think they've caught the car.

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Speaker 7: With the Row versus Wade overturning and now it's just

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Speaker 7: a completely uncontrollable wildfire against women. And I don't know

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Speaker 7: if there's some kind of electoral strategists behind this.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't appear like that to me.

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Speaker 7: And I know Tom Kane has been in completely without

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Speaker 7: courage when it comes to these issues. There was a

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Speaker 7: bill over the summer or before the summer that wouldn't

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Speaker 7: allow women who needed abortions to leave military bases and

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Speaker 7: go get them if the abortions were not legal in

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Speaker 7: that area. And he voted for that bill when Guy

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Speaker 7: the River, Brian Fitzpatrick voted against it. And that's a Republican.

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Speaker 7: So when Tom Kane has had the opportunity to stand

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Speaker 7: up for women, he simply has not. And that's a

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Speaker 7: terrible look. And I don't think you get away with

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Speaker 7: that this cycle.

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Speaker 1: So the big question that I'm very curious about is

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Speaker 1: do voters get it?

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Speaker 2: Do voters hear it? Do voters now?

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Speaker 7: I think they do everywhere I go, and I've now

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Speaker 7: talked to thousands of people, and I've talked to people

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Speaker 7: across all party lines and people who are unaffiliated, and

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Speaker 7: this and other issues a democracy. Trump's corruption have definitely

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Speaker 7: filtered into the regular people. And sometimes things take time.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I know that the road decision should have

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Speaker 7: been a play last cycle, but sometimes it takes time

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Speaker 7: for people to really understand the ramifications of that and

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Speaker 7: just see firsthand that there's no handbreak in the Republican Party.

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Speaker 7: There're just nobody who can control this extremist element, and

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Speaker 7: the quote unquote Republican establishment is just hanging on for

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Speaker 7: the ride, and that puts us all in danger.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: I think like one of the things that I feel

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Speaker 1: like in pundent world is we're always like how much

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Speaker 1: of what's happening is getting to voters? Like, because you know,

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Speaker 1: we see the numbers for people who engage in mainstream

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Speaker 1: media or even television, you know, and those numbers are down, down, down,

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Speaker 1: So it's more of a sense of like, you know,

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Speaker 1: our voters activated on the ground, and are you seeing that?

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Speaker 2: And it sounds like you are, yeah, I would say so.

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Speaker 7: I mean there are different circles of voters, right there

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Speaker 7: are the grassrooms activists who I think are very activated,

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Speaker 7: and I think everyone's kind of come to terms because

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Speaker 7: many of these grassroots advocates came into the political awareness

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Speaker 7: when Trump got elected in twenty sixteen, and that's now

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Speaker 7: like eight years ago, and so you're talking about a

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Speaker 7: group of people who went from oh my gosh, Trump's selected,

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Speaker 7: let's start organizing, to now, this is a commitment they're

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Speaker 7: making in their lifestyle, in their lives for democracy. You're

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Speaker 7: in and you're out. This is a seasoned bunch in

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Speaker 7: NJ seven. The grassroots organizations, the local municipal parties, they

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Speaker 7: are a season group of organizers, a seasoned group of people.

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Speaker 7: They know how to knock doors, they know how to

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Speaker 7: talk to voters, and my.

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Speaker 2: Faith is with them.

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Speaker 7: They are committed and they see what I see, which

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Speaker 7: is that all of us this is the price we

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Speaker 7: have to pay to live in a democracy. Right now,

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Speaker 7: we have to commit to getting people registered, signed up

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Speaker 7: for vote by mail, persuading voters to might not normally vote,

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Speaker 7: and making sure I mean that's the job of the

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Speaker 7: campaign and our grassroots organizers. It's our job to make

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Speaker 7: sure that people understand what's at stake. And based on

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Speaker 7: my conversations with people so far, I think the ground

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Speaker 7: is very fertile for that conversation. And I think a

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Speaker 7: lot of people are pretty aware of what the Republicans

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Speaker 7: are trying to pull and the citicism through which they govern,

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Speaker 7: and I think that really frustrates people. You have the

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Speaker 7: least effective, the least productive Congress we've ever had in

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Speaker 7: American history, and there's a real people are real sick

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Speaker 7: and tired of it, and they're sick and tired of

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Speaker 7: the games because actual human beings are suffering as a

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Speaker 7: result of it.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's funny because I think about there was

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Speaker 1: a piece in The Times recently about how liberals are

831
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Speaker 1: tired and not engaged, But it does seem to me.

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Speaker 2: Like they're not. It seems like they're quite engaged.

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Speaker 1: And I think that the threat to democracy plus these

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Speaker 1: weird additions to the Republican war on women's health, have

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Speaker 1: been very motivated.

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Speaker 2: They're very motivating. I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 7: I didn't read that New York Times piece. I probably

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Speaker 7: wouldn't know if I saw it, but I would invite

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Speaker 7: that reporter to come to New Jersey seven because we've

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Speaker 7: been packing rooms. There's a lot of buzz in the

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Speaker 7: air right now. We have a lively US Senate primary.

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Speaker 7: There's a lot of conversation about what it means to

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Speaker 7: be in a democracy in New Jersey but also across

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Speaker 7: the country, and people are fighting fiercely for the right

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Speaker 7: to live in this democracy. And we see it as

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Speaker 7: part of what's happening around the globe. So I feel

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Speaker 7: very strongly that the people in NJ seven big advocates,

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Speaker 7: but eventually to the voters will be very engaged.

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Speaker 2: In this race.

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Speaker 7: This is a sophisticated district with a lot of commitment

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Speaker 7: to democracy, the idea of democracy, the ideals behind electing

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Speaker 7: a representative who goes to Congress and actually represents the district,

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Speaker 7: not a distant entity like the National Republican Party.

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Speaker 2: Those ideals hold firm.

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Speaker 7: In this district, and I know that our voters will

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Speaker 7: see what's happening and vote accordingly.

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Speaker 1: What do you think that's sort of thinking on the

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Speaker 1: ground there is like I mean, is he out?

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Speaker 2: Is he campaigning? I mean, what does it look like?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Tom Kane doesn't campaign No way. People ask me what

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Speaker 2: you can date you?

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Speaker 4: I was like, I would love a debate with Tom

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Speaker 4: ka can bring it on. I love a debate, I

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Speaker 4: love a one on one basketball game. Whatever he wants

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Speaker 4: to participate in with me, I am there. But he

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Speaker 4: won't do it because he's a coward. He never showed

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Speaker 4: up as a state senator.

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Speaker 7: He didn't show up as a candidate for US Congress,

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Speaker 7: and he's not showing up as an actual congressman. Imagine

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Speaker 7: getting elected to the US Congress. It is the honor

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Speaker 7: of a lifetime. It is the most humbling responsibility anybody

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Speaker 7: could be tasked with. And your response to that challenge

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Speaker 7: is to never come out in public and to only

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Speaker 7: hang out with donors and only hang out with National

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Speaker 7: Republican Party figures. I mean, it's one thing to make

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Speaker 7: that choice as a candidate and they say, Okay, my

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Speaker 7: strategic advantage is DIVI I don't stick my head out.

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Speaker 7: But it is entirely different. It is a dereliction of

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Speaker 7: duty to make that choice as a sitting congressman. And

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Speaker 7: the people in ninj seven they're hard workers. They care

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Speaker 7: about feeling represented, and Tom Kaye Tunior is not doing

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Speaker 7: his job. And you say that, and you get a

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Speaker 7: lot of ears perking up from people across the political spectrum.

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Speaker 7: You can't get away with being a lazy congressman in

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Speaker 7: New Jersey.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of amazing, right like that, that we've

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Speaker 1: had these times where we've seen Republicans refuse too. I

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Speaker 1: mean it's happened on the Democratic side too. I mean

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Speaker 1: it's why Democrats lost the House. I mean they just

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Speaker 1: didn't engage with those flippable seats.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's a mistake.

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Speaker 7: This campaign won't make I think we should go after

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Speaker 7: and we will go after our voters in every area

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Speaker 7: of this district, and we will pursue them and not

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Speaker 7: just to get their vote, but to hear what's on

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Speaker 7: their mind and to make sure it's incorporated into how

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Speaker 7: we run this campaign and how it will serve as

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Speaker 7: a congressper and once I get there. People want to

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Speaker 7: feel like they have a voice. They want to feel

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Speaker 7: like when they elect someone, that person will do their

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Speaker 7: darnedest to represent this district. We did a youth round

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Speaker 7: table over the summer, and youth are amazing because they

904
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Speaker 7: have such little tolerance for nonsense and bs and over

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Speaker 7: and over again, and we did this. I'm a forward teacher,

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Speaker 7: so we did a great exercise where it was very

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Speaker 7: interactive and over and over again. The underlying message was

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Speaker 7: we don't have to agree with every single policy that

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Speaker 7: you have or every single stance that you take in

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Speaker 7: What we want to feel like is you're going to

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Speaker 7: go to Congress and you're going to fight for us.

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Speaker 7: You're going to know where we're coming from. You're going

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Speaker 7: to understand the struggles we're feeling. And for young people,

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Speaker 7: they have to move back to their parents' house. They

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Speaker 7: can't afford to break out on their own after college

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Speaker 7: or after trade school, and they want to feel like

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Speaker 7: somebody's in Congress who's going to fight for that stuff.

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Speaker 7: That's it, That's what they care about. They want to

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Speaker 7: feel represented, which is the original idea behind Congress. And

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Speaker 7: it's what's so awful and disrespectful about the way Tom

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Speaker 7: Kane represents this district.

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Speaker 2: Tell us your backstory.

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Speaker 7: So I grew Laturning County. I played a lot of

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Speaker 7: basketballctually ended up playing basketball in college and then professionally

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Speaker 7: for two years as well, which was great. I played

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Speaker 7: in Ireland and Germany. I wasn't quite good enough for

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Speaker 7: the WNBA, although I'm thrilled that women's basketball and women's

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Speaker 7: sports right now seems to be having a moment, and

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Speaker 7: it couldn't delight me more to see that happening. After

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Speaker 7: I was done there, I was a teacher for four

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Speaker 7: years in Blairstown, and then I went to Oxford and

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Speaker 7: England for two degrees, one the International Comparative Education and

933
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Speaker 7: one in business in NBA. And when I came back,

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Speaker 7: I fought both Chris Christy and corrupt Democrats, which you

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Speaker 7: might have to be surprised to find out we.

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Speaker 2: Have no it's New Jersey.

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Speaker 7: It is New Jersey, and you know Bob and endes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, corruption, I.

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Speaker 7: Think best example ify by what we've learned about Bob Menendez.

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Speaker 7: But I fought corruption in both parties, and particularly I

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Speaker 7: fought for school and I fought for schools and school

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Speaker 7: funding and saw what Chris Christie was doing, which was

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Speaker 7: decimating our public school system, something that you know, my

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Speaker 7: parents moved into New Jersey to have. I was the

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Speaker 7: beneficiary of a wonderful public school system in New Jersey

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Speaker 7: and that remains a centerpiece of my campaign. I was

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Speaker 7: recruited from community organizing in Camden, New Jersey, which is

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Speaker 7: where I was for seven years of my life doing

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Speaker 7: a lot of organizing down there. We fought actually, in

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Speaker 7: particular against a tax and centive policy that fleeced, in

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Speaker 7: my opinion, fleeced the New Jersey taxpayers to the two

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Speaker 7: of a billion dollars. And that really gives me a

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Speaker 7: lot of credibility when I go and talk to unaffiliated

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Speaker 7: voters who feel like New Jersey's taxes are too high.

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Speaker 7: They don't know what happens when they pay their tax money.

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Speaker 7: And the fact that I've been able to fight both

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Speaker 7: parties against corruption and the poor use of public resources

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Speaker 7: really gives me a lot of credibility in some of

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Speaker 7: these places where they're a little skeptical both parties, frankly.

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Speaker 7: But from there I was recruited to run New Jersey

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Speaker 7: Working Families and in a statewide level, created coalitions and

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Speaker 7: brought in partners to really fight corruption at a systematic level.

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Speaker 7: We used litigation and legislation and other tactics to fight

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Speaker 7: for democracy and against corruption in Trenton, which unfortunately really

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Speaker 7: needs it and needed it at the time. And then

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Speaker 7: when Tom Owin asked, you lost my predecessor, fully predecessor

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Speaker 7: in NJ seven. At that point, I'd moved back to

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Speaker 7: where I grew up after the pandemic, and when he

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Speaker 7: lost it was obviously very heartbreaking, but I knew that

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Speaker 7: this was a moment that even though I loved what

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Speaker 7: I was doing in state of politics, I loved creating

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Speaker 7: a little bit of chaos trying to clean up that

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Speaker 7: place and set the record straight in Trenton, I knew

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Speaker 7: that what was happening in Washington was a real triage moment,

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Speaker 7: and I needed to put my energy and focus and

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Speaker 7: my abilities and all that I've been given to try

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Speaker 7: to make sure that we had better representation in Congress

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Speaker 7: than what tom Kin was ever going to do.

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Speaker 2: So that's my backstory.

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Speaker 1: Well that is a great and super interesting backstory. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for joining us, keep us posted.

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Speaker 7: Okay, wonderful, Molly, it was a pleasure, and thank you.

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Speaker 2: Jesse. Come a visit a moment, Jesse Cannon, Molly jung Fast.

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Speaker 5: You know, one of the things you and I discussed

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Speaker 5: a lot is how much we hate the governoring body

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Speaker 5: and the legislature in our home state of New York.

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Speaker 5: What are you seeing here?

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Speaker 1: Our governor had a chance, Kathy Hope, to jerrymander some

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Speaker 1: seats allah our favorite king Governor Pritzker, and instead she

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Speaker 1: decided to just let Republicans have it. And so she

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Speaker 1: has signed into law a new redistricting map which basically

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Speaker 1: doesn't jerrymander and makes it much harder for Democrats to

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Speaker 1: win back the House and is really good proof that

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Speaker 1: when Democrats are not pushed, they will just do what

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Speaker 1: is easy versus what is right. And so you have

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Speaker 1: Republicans jermandering the whole Congress and then you have Kathy

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Speaker 1: Hochel somehow pretending that this was a big victory won.

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Speaker 2: In fact, if Democrats lose the House, it will be

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Speaker 2: because of Kathy Hockel.

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Speaker 1: Just like last time when Democrats lost the House, it

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Speaker 1: was because of Andrew Cuomo. So you can imagine how

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Speaker 1: fucking pissed off Jesse and I are right. That's it

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Speaker 1: and Friday to hear the best minds in politics makes

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Speaker 1: please send it to a friend and keep the conversation going.

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Speaker 1: And again, thanks for listening.