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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Buck Sexton Show podcast. Make sure

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Buck Brief. Jeremy Carl with us now. He

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Speaker 2: is fearless, he is brilliant, and he has been through

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Speaker 2: the ringer recently. So we're gonna talk to him about

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Speaker 2: some news of the day, some of these big crime

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Speaker 2: stories and the stat that has gotten a lot of attention.

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Speaker 2: For example, three hundred and fifty six people in New

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Speaker 2: York City who were involved in shootings in twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: five were black, two of them were white. That's a

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Speaker 2: pretty big disparity for a city of eight point five

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Speaker 2: million people. I think we should talk about criminal justice

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Speaker 2: policy a bit. But before we get there, our friend

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Speaker 2: Jeremy Carl, author of the Unprotected Class, Sir, you just

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Speaker 2: you just got put through it a bit. Well, I

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Speaker 2: can tell everybody you were up for a job for

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Speaker 2: the State Department, and the long knives came out from

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Speaker 2: some senators. What happened?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, thanks, I was I was up for The

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Speaker 1: President nominated me for an Assistant Secretary of State position,

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Speaker 1: and that's required Senate confirmation. And went up before the Senate,

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Speaker 1: and the Democrats, having read all of my writings and

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Speaker 1: all of my tweets and listened to every single podcast

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Speaker 1: I've been on, and I don't mean that with any exaggeration,

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Speaker 1: had a list of all the horrible things that I

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Speaker 1: had said which they yelled at me about, and they

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Speaker 1: convinced at least one squishy Republican to perhaps be nervous

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Speaker 1: about me as well. So I wasn't going to get confirmed, unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: so I had to withdraw.

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Speaker 3: But it was a really interesting experience to go through.

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Speaker 2: Who was the Republican squish John Curtis, former chair of

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Speaker 2: the Utah County Democratic Party, been making some news for

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Speaker 2: other areas which he has perhaps not been such a

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Speaker 2: stalwart ally of our party recently.

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Speaker 3: But I'm going to try to take the high road.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to dwell on any one person in particular,

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Speaker 1: but we've just, you know, we've got some challenges to

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Speaker 1: the party we've got to address.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you something because I can do what

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Speaker 2: I want. I know, I get to be a bomb thrower,

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Speaker 2: my friend, I could do whatever, right. So I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: talk radio in fact of anything, I'm probably too nice.

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Speaker 2: Utah produces some of the worst Republicans of any state

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Speaker 2: in the country. It's not just this senator being squishy.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what it is. I love the people

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Speaker 2: but even in Salt Lake and I have all these

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Speaker 2: Utah's who listened to the show who I love. I'm

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Speaker 2: totally lined. I did a big event in Utah about

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Speaker 2: eighteen months ago, like eight hundred people there. They're awesome.

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Speaker 2: And at that event, by the way, I was like,

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Speaker 2: what is it with you guys having a squishy governor?

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Speaker 2: Now they've got this squishy senator. I'm like, it's Utah.

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Speaker 2: This is like, how do we get these weak Republicans

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Speaker 2: in super red states.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fascinating. And the only way that we got

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Speaker 1: is that there was some stuff that activists did at

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Speaker 3: So it's a challenge.

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Speaker 1: You know, so supposed to be a conservative state, but

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Speaker 1: the politicians they are often not very conservative.

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Speaker 2: What can I ask you? I mean, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: so I guess can I ask you? As the wordless preamble,

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Speaker 2: but but yeah, I'm about to What was the thing

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Speaker 2: they thought you said that was the worst thing?

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Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I mean they literally had poster boards of

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Speaker 3: Hits that they put up. I'm not kidding, And I asked,

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Speaker 3: I love your stuff.

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Speaker 2: I'm wondering what I'm gonna get canceled for. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I'm a I'm a I'm a Jeremy Carl fan. What

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Speaker 2: am I going to get in trouble for?

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Speaker 3: Go ahead?

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's sort of funny, and I think,

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Speaker 1: just things related to race, things related to They hit

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Speaker 1: there was a parade of horribles. I was the proverbial

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Speaker 3: And that's just how it was.

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Speaker 2: I think we're at this phase where we just have

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Speaker 2: as much as possible. For example, you know, I'm here

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Speaker 2: I think you know mont Okay, I know a little

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Speaker 2: bit about Montana politics, not not that much, but enough

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Speaker 2: to know you're one of these states, correct me? If

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Speaker 2: I'm off here has it's it's red, but it has

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Speaker 2: this huge squath of independence. So it's a little bit

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Speaker 2: funkier and actually a little more democrat leaning in some

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Speaker 2: a it's not like a bright red state. It's it's

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Speaker 2: got this whole independent streak, like like everyone's an extra

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that might be a good way to putting.

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Speaker 1: I think if you look at the people who are

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Speaker 1: it's clearly trending to a more deep red. But I

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Speaker 1: think a lot of our politicians, unfortunately in Montana, still

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Speaker 1: have not gotten the memo, and a lot of them

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Speaker 1: So I mean, if you look since nineteen forty eight,

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Speaker 1: one Bill Clinton won a three ways split with Perrot

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Speaker 1: But there's a lot of a lot of Republicans who

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's It's the one thing I want

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Speaker 2: because I want to get you into some trouble because

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Speaker 2: you know, how bad can it be compared to the

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Speaker 3: It be a walk in the park, It'd.

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Speaker 2: Be a cake walk compared to that. The rule that

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Speaker 2: I forget what it's called. If Clay was here, he

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Speaker 2: in the NFL minority like I think, I don't know

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Speaker 2: And I believe that Florida Attorney General is challenging that

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Speaker 2: I go yeah, because that rule is flatly unconstitutional. Everybody,

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Speaker 2: this is we need a whole reset of the thinking

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Speaker 2: of institutions, including the NFL if they're in America, the

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Speaker 2: racial laws anymore. It's illegal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, absolutely, And my friend Harmy Dylan, who's running

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Speaker 1: up a DJ civil rights division, has kind of just

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Speaker 1: been doing that, right. The illegal stuff has been going

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Speaker 3: And now people like.

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Speaker 1: The Florida AG I did see this story today that

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Speaker 1: actually you know this type of racial profiling, politicing, whatever

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Speaker 1: And it's one of the reasons why I've actually been

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Speaker 1: we just need to get rid of all civil rights laws.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we do need to do some very fundamental

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Speaker 1: books to say, yeah, that actually means you can't discriminate

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Speaker 2: This is one of my big things on immigration. As

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Speaker 2: people keep saying, I said, before you're allowed to say

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Speaker 2: Congress needs to pass a law to address I insist

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Speaker 2: that everybody look at what the laws actually are, because

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Speaker 2: things like repeat entry after a deport to it's a felony, yeah,

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Speaker 2: punishable for the ten years in federal prison. Like if

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Speaker 2: but they never enforce it. They will not do this.

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Speaker 2: You know, this is the same thing with civil rights

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Speaker 2: laws that arerit in the books. A sponsor here, before

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Speaker 2: you get into criminal justice, you're gonna want to hear

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Speaker 2: Jeremy take on that sponsor here, Birch Gold Group of

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Speaker 2: if you look two decades ago and purchase twenty thousand

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Speaker 2: But also gold goes up in value because other things

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Speaker 2: deplete their values, like the US dollar. Birch Gold can

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Speaker 2: help you convert an existing IRA or four oh one

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Speaker 2: send gold to your home. That's what I do. Text

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Speaker 2: my name Buck to ninety eight ninety eight ninety eight

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Speaker 2: Buck to ninety eight ninety eight ninety eight. Jeremy, we're

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Speaker 2: at this point now, I could pick any number of stories.

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Speaker 2: The guy in Seattle who murdered a woman. They say

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Speaker 2: he's crazy, and now he gets sent to a psychiatric

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Speaker 2: the college student in Chicago. I mean, there's all these

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Speaker 2: So many of these Democrats will not change any of

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Speaker 2: the policies. And it's really more about policy than law,

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Speaker 2: because what it is they refuse to actually use laws

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, it's nuts.

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Speaker 1: And I mean I want to say this, and it's

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Speaker 1: but maybe not in this conversation, but I mean it actually,

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Speaker 1: very soberly, I think we need to be executing about

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Speaker 1: one hundred times more people than we are. We had

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Speaker 1: fifty one executions in the United States last year. You

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Speaker 1: shouldn't be one thousand and fifty. One thousand be way

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Speaker 1: too many, but five hundred and ten wouldn't be. No,

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Speaker 1: But they're about five thousand guys who are either murderers

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Speaker 3: And you know, we're just not there yet.

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Speaker 2: it couldn't be any more clear. They're okay with this.

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Speaker 2: I just the other part of this that I find

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Speaker 2: So so he can then be lawfully, lawfully take in

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Speaker 2: I said, here, I'm I'm a dog owner. Okay, are

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Speaker 2: So I'm a dog owner. I like dogs. And if

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Speaker 2: and it was my fault. Yeah, cops are doing that

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Speaker 3: This is happening. It's it's nuts.

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Speaker 1: And I think the first person, you know, the first

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Speaker 1: That'd be great, I'd love I think the more pressure

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Speaker 2: good ones. Thanks for being here, Buddy, good to talk

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much, Buck, it's a real pleasure to speak