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Speaker 1: studio center at the Star in Fresco, Bill Jones, future
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer Everson Walls, and Mickey Spagnola. And this
Speaker 1: is a good day because the Cowboys have decided to
Speaker 1: go ahead in practice today for the New England Patriots.
Speaker 1: They are outside on the practice as we speak, because
Speaker 1: Mike wanted to smell the grounds like football. It's exactly right.
Speaker 1: But they have turf in New England. Yes, I believe
Speaker 1: they do. Okay, he just wanted to smell. I was
Speaker 1: trying to remember it because that driving rainstorm in twenty nineteen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the field didn't get torn up. They were fine. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: And of course yesterday they were indoors because we had
Speaker 1: the looming presence of thunderstorms in the area. But outside
Speaker 1: today even though there was still a looming presence of
Speaker 1: cloud cover. Well, they were prepared at one point to
Speaker 1: take it inside, and then nothing happened, so they stayed
Speaker 1: out there because when it was our turn to come in,
Speaker 1: they said, oh, we're gonna stay here because the guys
Speaker 1: are going in. And then I think the radar cleared.
Speaker 1: So there you are outside for the whole session. And
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be decent weather, I think on Sunday,
Speaker 1: although it's been a couple of days since I checked
Speaker 1: on that. And in contrast to two years ago and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys went up there in a monsoon and lost
Speaker 1: to the Patriots thirteen to nine. I don't think I've
Speaker 1: seen the game played in worse weather like they had
Speaker 1: to continue playing now. I played in New Jersey, man,
Speaker 1: so I don't know about that. Spags, Well, I didn't
Speaker 1: see it. I mean, and Cleveland, by the way, it
Speaker 1: was a driving, a driving rain storm. You'd rather snow
Speaker 1: than the rain coming down like that, that's true. And
Speaker 1: it was coming down sideways because the wind was blowing.
Speaker 1: Nineteen ninety when we played Buffalo, I was with the Giants.
Speaker 1: We played Buffalo in New Jersey and it was below
Speaker 1: freezing and it rained. Yeah, the entire game below for
Speaker 1: rain the entire game. It wouldn't stop. So once you fall,
Speaker 1: because puzzles all those play. Once you fall in your wet,
Speaker 1: it's over, right, it's over. It's like being in the snow,
Speaker 1: you know, once you fall in the snow, your hands
Speaker 1: are cold, you can't do anything a sox are wet.
Speaker 1: It's done, it's done. And so yeah, that was pretty miserable.
Speaker 1: I met my free safety, Myron Guiding. He's coming up
Speaker 1: to me and he's he's talking, you know, as his
Speaker 1: jaw is quivering, and I'm like, what did yous to say?
Speaker 1: And he couldn't even repeat himself. He was so cold.
Speaker 1: I think the only worst weather game I've seen. And
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys remember this. It would
Speaker 1: have been the Ice Bowl, No, it was, it was close.
Speaker 1: It was the Fog Bowl. Oh yeah, yo, Chicago and Philadelphia. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I was in the press box and could not
Speaker 1: see past maybe a third of the field going across right.
Speaker 1: And at one point the fog got so thick. We
Speaker 1: were watching the TV monitor because the TV cameras could
Speaker 1: lighten up, could they can get more light on the field, right,
Speaker 1: And so you can see better because we couldn't see.
Speaker 1: I couldn't see the other side, but not see the
Speaker 1: other sideline. Why were you at the Fog Bowl, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, was played New Year's Eve nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 1: I was working at the newspaper and we covered things
Speaker 1: like that newspaper, the Dallas Times. Harold, you went to
Speaker 1: an Eagles Bears game? Yea in nineteen eighty eight. Yes,
Speaker 1: we covered the playoffs because the Cowboys. Yeah, they covered
Speaker 1: the playoffs and the Cowboys were not in it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they still had to cover it, whether we were
Speaker 1: ended or that. Plus they had I had a free
Speaker 1: place to stay, right, my parents were still living there.
Speaker 1: I think he volunteered that. You got the hes there
Speaker 1: for the holidays. Why I had been on Times, Harold
Speaker 1: didn't send you. I had been on the Bears beat
Speaker 1: since eighty five. Basically, I spent I spent half the
Speaker 1: season in eighty five up there covering the day. So
Speaker 1: were you the NFL reporter or were you the Cowboys beat? Right?
Speaker 1: I was the backup guy. I was. I was the
Speaker 1: guy that did everything. Okay, okay, so you were sometimes
Speaker 1: the NFL beat porter, sometimes the Cowboys beating. Absolutely No,
Speaker 1: I wasn't the beat reporter. I was the backup guy
Speaker 1: when the beat reporter took a day off. Okay, so
Speaker 1: the time cowboy reporter, but backup soup for the Times Harold,
Speaker 1: Then who were the cowboy? Who is the Cowboys beat reporter?
Speaker 1: And did you have an NFL reporter that traveled to
Speaker 1: every city? We had? So Jim Dent was the Cowboys
Speaker 1: beat reporter. And then the NFL. I think maybe it
Speaker 1: was Jack Shephard was doing he was doing college those
Speaker 1: he was also doing backup, he was doing NFL. Let
Speaker 1: me tell you, those were glory days of reporting. Absolutely
Speaker 1: And why is that talk to me? Because we covered everything,
Speaker 1: you know, and what really happened in Dallas for Worth Media,
Speaker 1: What would you say it was when Dave Smith came
Speaker 1: here the Morning News and what the Boston Globe, and
Speaker 1: this relates to the Patriots. It always was the pinnacle
Speaker 1: as far as newspapers sports sections go. And so Dave
Speaker 1: Smith came to Dallas in the eighties, I don't remember
Speaker 1: exactly when and turn and turned the Dallas Morning News
Speaker 1: sports page into sports Day, okay, and in the coverage
Speaker 1: just went through the roof. Well, there was great competition
Speaker 1: between the Times Harold and the Morning News. So the
Speaker 1: Times Harold matched that with the Morning News. We tried. Yeah,
Speaker 1: at the time we started, well yeah, we started running
Speaker 1: out of fun. You started, and we're talking about we're
Speaker 1: talking about writers that that have well known you know,
Speaker 1: some in the Hall of Fame, you know that were
Speaker 1: well he was, he came a little later those, but
Speaker 1: but that it was born though during that time. And
Speaker 1: of course Skip Bayliss was. It was the Times Harold first,
Speaker 1: then Morning News or Ice first, Bike shared. I mean,
Speaker 1: now he was Morning News, then Time, okay, and Blackie
Speaker 1: was the Times Harold and then he went to the
Speaker 1: Brandy Galloway and you know, and but the coverage from
Speaker 1: the high schools to the colleges, to the professional ranks
Speaker 1: and every sport was second to none. Well it just
Speaker 1: like I told the story yesterday about me, they have
Speaker 1: sending me to the Giants to do stories before the
Speaker 1: Cowboys played the Giants in eighty six. It trickled over
Speaker 1: to television too. I mean, I was telling the story
Speaker 1: about when the Cowboys played the Eagles in nineteen ninety two,
Speaker 1: the Monday night game Cowboys started the season I think
Speaker 1: four and oh that year Big Monday night game. I
Speaker 1: was working at Channel five in Dallas at the time,
Speaker 1: and they sent me there all week. I was there
Speaker 1: in the Eagles locker room on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday doing
Speaker 1: stories on the Eagles leading up to that game. So
Speaker 1: you're saying the sports publications had the money and then
Speaker 1: investment in it. To invest in it sends you, guys
Speaker 1: where you need to remember. I remember full coverage, versus now,
Speaker 1: versus now, give me now. So what you're looking at,
Speaker 1: you find somebody that lives there to do your freelance
Speaker 1: stock And actually, during the nineties after the paper and
Speaker 1: I was freelancing, that was part of my freelancing because
Speaker 1: people the change, they knew I was here, right, and
Speaker 1: instead of sending their guy the expense, it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: for a couple hundred bucks, he can do a story
Speaker 1: for us, right, And when you're freelancing, it's like whatever
Speaker 1: they pay is good. Right, You're not gonna sit there
Speaker 1: and you know that's not enough money to compromise the coverage. Though,
Speaker 1: do you think if you find somebody that you trust
Speaker 1: and you're basically doing feature stories, right, it's not like
Speaker 1: you're digging for news or anything, and uh, yeah, that
Speaker 1: was And I was fortunate because when I was freelancing,
Speaker 1: the cowboys got good, right, and it was good timing
Speaker 1: because now everybody wanted a piece of them. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a very different error in the eighties when
Speaker 1: I got from the from you guys standpoint, well you
Speaker 1: I mean, you witness it. You saw the battles going
Speaker 1: on in the locker room between the beat writers, right, well,
Speaker 1: that was very interesting. Well, and the other part of
Speaker 1: it is the access, and of course now with after
Speaker 1: COVID and so forth, it's been cut back, you know,
Speaker 1: to where there's no access in the locker room. I
Speaker 1: have always said the battle between the Beat writers in
Speaker 1: the Dallas locker room, I don't know what was going
Speaker 1: on in Boston and the Raiders with some of the
Speaker 1: very controversial teams. I thought that was the beginning of
Speaker 1: this way too information of age and era that we're
Speaker 1: in now. I told you Jim did hiding around the corner,
Speaker 1: you know, trying to listen to our conversations in the
Speaker 1: in the locker room, and there was a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff going on. Culturally, we had the union, we had
Speaker 1: to still always had the racism thing going on, so
Speaker 1: everything was just so volatile. And those beat writers used
Speaker 1: that Myers ends up at HBO, Dent ends up you
Speaker 1: know where he ended up. But Skip Bayless ends up,
Speaker 1: you know, writing a book and he trashed the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: And when I went up there at one time to
Speaker 1: do an interview of all the people to have an office,
Speaker 1: no one else had an office up there. And this
Speaker 1: wasn't in and this wasn't in Connecticut. It's somewhere in
Speaker 1: New York. I forget what the studio was. What is it.
Speaker 1: Woody the older dude. Yeah, Woody and Skip had an office,
Speaker 1: and they loved them up there. I think because of
Speaker 1: the controversy that they stirred up. Everyone loved Skip because
Speaker 1: of the book that he wrote about the whole thing
Speaker 1: about Troy Aikman and all of that. Then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, these guys have top billing on TV in
Speaker 1: New York nationwide. And to me, that was the beginning
Speaker 1: of this whole uh gossip type of coverage that they
Speaker 1: that they use now when when they covered the team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but and I hated that it was it was a
Speaker 1: little bit more. It was little different back then because
Speaker 1: people they I know what they were doing, right, but
Speaker 1: at least it was journalistically sound. It wasn't you believe that?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, now not not books, not books, yeah, books
Speaker 1: are never yeah yeah yeah. But from a newspaper standpoint.
Speaker 1: But some of these, some of the exposees, that's that's
Speaker 1: all just clouded in. It's a it's a mini book,
Speaker 1: it's a novella. Well remember Watergate changed everything? Well, well
Speaker 1: you know what we had the water Gate in in
Speaker 1: uh thousands, in not thousands, but the Valley round, Yeah,
Speaker 1: water stars. Remember when Gary Myers did the survey or
Speaker 1: he did a poll on who who they wanted for
Speaker 1: quarterbacks either Danny White or first of all I Steve
Speaker 1: or not Steve Gary? Yeah, Gary, hoga boo. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was one of those. I was one of those that
Speaker 1: started that. So I totally raised my hand. I'm not
Speaker 1: I don't have from anything. I totally raised my hand
Speaker 1: on that one. And I remember, I remember Myers Myers,
Speaker 1: and I think I saw this. Myers walked into where
Speaker 1: the little lunch room was, right and and uh hoga
Speaker 1: Boom said what are you doing in here? This players only?
Speaker 1: And he goes, well what are you doing? And Hoga
Speaker 1: Boom grabbed him. So funny grabbed him by the shirt
Speaker 1: and carried him out of the luxury. I thought you
Speaker 1: were gonna say, grabbed him by his pencil neck. Well
Speaker 1: it might as well be in his net, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: the competition was fierce. I remember in eighty six, came
Speaker 1: back from London after the preseason game, and so it
Speaker 1: was they gave the other guys off and I had
Speaker 1: to go to Thousand Oaks. I should say I got
Speaker 1: to go to Thousand Oaks and cover that week. Well
Speaker 1: it was the week where the usfl folded. And uh,
Speaker 1: it folded when we were in London, as a matter
Speaker 1: of fact, because we were up in the hospitality room
Speaker 1: at the hotel and Tech got the call from Pete
Speaker 1: Roselle and they were going on and on, just celebrating
Speaker 1: on the phone, and Text was loud, Oh Pete, I
Speaker 1: love you and all this stuff, right, and and and
Speaker 1: Marty Text's wife, she was a beauty, right, and she
Speaker 1: goes te, she goes Text. If you get any louder,
Speaker 1: the Queen's gonna hear you out the window. So anyway,
Speaker 1: I had to come back. And that's when the cowboys
Speaker 1: were able to negotiate with Herschel to Uh, to get
Speaker 1: him because they had already drafted him, so they had
Speaker 1: the rights. So I had to do the beginning of
Speaker 1: the Infant Toys. Yeah, I had to do his big,
Speaker 1: long story on herschel Walker. And so we're in the
Speaker 1: media dorm at thousand at Kalou and I'm scrambling trying
Speaker 1: to get herschel and I basically left him a message, right,
Speaker 1: So I got my story already written, and about one
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning or maybe midnight West Coast time,
Speaker 1: the phone rings and the person goes, Hi, this is
Speaker 1: herschel Walker. And I ain't buying it right because he
Speaker 1: was in New Jersey and this is three It's three
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning. Right. Not not the best person
Speaker 1: in person, right, I could I could have tried harder.
Speaker 1: So my college roommate was pretty bad. I found that
Speaker 1: maybe that's what the phone calls out. So my college
Speaker 1: roommate covered herschel Uh. He was working in Atlanta at
Speaker 1: the paper and he was at Georgia then, so he
Speaker 1: had Herschel's voice down perfectly, and I'd already talked to
Speaker 1: him about the story what he was like when he
Speaker 1: was at York. I thought it was him. So I
Speaker 1: wasn't falling for it. I was just gonna ask in
Speaker 1: name questions, right, and just to test it out, right,
Speaker 1: And about three or four questions in at dawn damage Walker. Right,
Speaker 1: So we get this long interview, right, it's in three
Speaker 1: in the morning. Three in the morning. He calls me
Speaker 1: back and he's in you know he was living in
Speaker 1: Trump Towers. Okay, because Trump and so yeah, that's why
Speaker 1: he's running. Yeah, right, thank you. I want to bring
Speaker 1: so so I do this long, I do this. We
Speaker 1: must have talked for a half hour, right, he was great,
Speaker 1: and uh we get to the end and he goes, uh,
Speaker 1: do you know um guy Gary Myers. He said, I
Speaker 1: think it's the I think it's the Morning News. Call
Speaker 1: the Myers after this show. Oh, I probably told him
Speaker 1: the story, right, And I go yeah. He goes, well,
Speaker 1: can you do me a favor? Uh tell him that
Speaker 1: I tried to return his phone call. So if you
Speaker 1: see him, tell him to give me a call. And
Speaker 1: I said, oh, absolutely, so he can do his story too.
Speaker 1: I'll call him right after my exactly. I said, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: absolutely right. But see what you see that that's coming
Speaker 1: from a journalistic place, right, right, but when you're talking
Speaker 1: about what's the dude named Martinez? It's from Channel thirty
Speaker 1: three following the guy's home from the Strip clubs after
Speaker 1: they just landed from the way game. Tell me where
Speaker 1: the journalists? That was TV. Sorry, that was but hiding
Speaker 1: very ridiculous man, the tree and that I was talking about.
Speaker 1: This is what I'm talking about. It it started that
Speaker 1: where we are now, it started where we are now
Speaker 1: too well, now nothing. It's not just about how you
Speaker 1: play now, it's about what you believe in, how you talk,
Speaker 1: what you look like, how marketable you are. It's totally
Speaker 1: gotten away from the game itself. I won't argue with that.
Speaker 1: Now we've blurred the line, blurred the line between journalism
Speaker 1: and opinion. I like that. And then and the young
Speaker 1: kids don't know the difference because they that's what they've grown.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's read newspaper. Very good. Well, that was interesting,
Speaker 1: Well it was different. Hey, you can only get that
Speaker 1: on mixed right, And how did it relate to this
Speaker 1: week's game? We have no idea because we talked about
Speaker 1: the Boston Globe and the Dallas Sporting News about and
Speaker 1: by the way, when we come back, Yes, I read
Speaker 1: some interesting stuff in the Boston Herald on this game. Okay,
Speaker 1: so they still have two new spaces, still do yeah Boston, Okay,
Speaker 1: one of the few places. All right, two in Chicago,
Speaker 1: two in Boston, two three in New York. Still two
Speaker 1: in l L A. H. The Washington Times went out
Speaker 1: of business and they came back in somewhat of a
Speaker 1: different form. But yeah, the Washington Post is still there.
Speaker 1: But most of the most of the cities have one newspaper. Miami,
Speaker 1: do we consider we have two here even though it's
Speaker 1: Dallas and four because back then you said two, it
Speaker 1: was actually three. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so we had three
Speaker 1: weight competition. I can tell you some stories about in Irving.
Speaker 1: We did not get the forward Star. Tell they didn't
Speaker 1: make it that far. Nah, we didn't get in down
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Speaker 1: preparing a panic attacks. All right, do you have your
Speaker 1: injury report? I do have an injury report here for you.
Speaker 1: So Trayvon Diggs did not practice. Oh yeah, that's right
Speaker 1: today he did today practice. Yesterday he has a left ankle.
Speaker 1: And today, in the portion that we were watching, uh,
Speaker 1: he was doing his rehab work on the resistant chords
Speaker 1: and I noticed, see what a good reporter I am,
Speaker 1: he had tennis shoes on. Okay, so that meant he
Speaker 1: probably wasn't practicing, right. Uh So, yeah, he missed. And
Speaker 1: then yesterday, Uh, I guess Demante Kaz had a hip
Speaker 1: problem going on and he didn't finished. He started to try,
Speaker 1: I guess, and he didn't practice and it didn't look
Speaker 1: like he was going to practice again today. So uh,
Speaker 1: those are the have the injury report yet this is yesterday.
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you observation from watching the portion that
Speaker 1: we got to watch. Uh. Ezekiel Elliott was listed as
Speaker 1: limited yesterday with ribs and by the way, He did
Speaker 1: interview after practice yesterday, and I want you to hear
Speaker 1: his description of his injury back ribs. It's ribs right
Speaker 1: here on the back side of me. You know, your
Speaker 1: ribs go like you know what I mean. So it's
Speaker 1: the ribs on the back side. So what he did
Speaker 1: was he went like, your ribs go on the way around. Oh,
Speaker 1: thank you for that. You knew this or I mean
Speaker 1: it almost sounds like a kidney punch. Well, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you fell on the Dard camera. Let you finish the injury.
Speaker 1: I'd love to get to Zeke though at some point. Okay,
Speaker 1: And so he was limited yesterday, but from what we saw,
Speaker 1: he had the helmet on. The today's the heavy day,
Speaker 1: they put the pads on, and he looked like he
Speaker 1: was gonna, uh participate. Randy Gregory was listed as limited,
Speaker 1: he looked like he was just fine. And Donovan Wilson
Speaker 1: has uh they've got him listed as limited, but watching
Speaker 1: him out there, he's pretty much looks like he's ready
Speaker 1: to go. So if if Kaz can't go, Wilson might
Speaker 1: be able to go, and that would kind of makeup
Speaker 1: and that just give us more hype. In the second
Speaker 1: dary and I did say Randy Gregory, right, he uh,
Speaker 1: he was out there. He was limited yesterday, but he
Speaker 1: was out there practicing when we were there and asked
Speaker 1: for the Patriots. They're starting running back Damien Harris Ribs,
Speaker 1: by the way, I don't know if, I'm not sure where,
Speaker 1: but he did not practice yesterday. And Shack Mason, their
Speaker 1: starting guard, did not practice yesterday. And Jalen Mills hamstring
Speaker 1: was limited. And when I was reading in the Boston Herald,
Speaker 1: they were saying, well, if he is able to play,
Speaker 1: So there was some question the cornerback cuts. Now they've
Speaker 1: got some. They've had some real issues on their offensive line,
Speaker 1: and in fact, it was a makeshift bunch of characters
Speaker 1: that were starting on their offensive line playing on their
Speaker 1: offensive line last week against the Texans. A couple of
Speaker 1: them have been on the COVID list, which did not
Speaker 1: appear on that intright, they don't have to put him on.
Speaker 1: Their starting left tackle Isaiah Winn, who started the first
Speaker 1: four games of the season, did not play last week
Speaker 1: against Houston because he was on the COVID list. They
Speaker 1: do they did. I am seeing here at hey, Mike Anwanu.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm pronouncing his name. Rights is
Speaker 1: back at practice today for them, and he was on
Speaker 1: the COVID list, I believe before. Okay, Bill, Yes, you
Speaker 1: want to hear Bill Belichick on his offensive line situation. Yes,
Speaker 1: I would love to hear this is This is coach
Speaker 1: Belichick on the offensive line situation in New England. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's take a day by day. So goes there. That
Speaker 1: was it. I swear, I swear that was the most
Speaker 1: first conference yesterday when asked about his offensive linement. Okay,
Speaker 1: they are also missing Justin Herron at practice today. He's
Speaker 1: another offensive tackle. See. That's why you need intrepid reporters.
Speaker 1: That's why you gotta be there man in his face.
Speaker 1: And Shaq Mason was participating today. So they had listed
Speaker 1: Herron as limited yesterday, okay, and this one saying he
Speaker 1: missed he was not at the open portion of practice today,
Speaker 1: okay for the Patriots, but Shack Mason was back. Well,
Speaker 1: we'll just take it day by day, yep. So he
Speaker 1: But you know what, I'm shocked they send us an
Speaker 1: email today from the Patriots that the coach will be
Speaker 1: available tomorrow on a zoom call. I was like Belichick's
Speaker 1: really going to do a zoom call with us, just
Speaker 1: with the Dallas Report. Yeah, it's for us. Yeah, Oh cool,
Speaker 1: I'm assuming it was just for us. Yeah, it'll be interesting.
Speaker 1: But he's uh, you know the interesting thing that I
Speaker 1: read where the reporters in Boston are looking at this
Speaker 1: game as a big test to see where the Patriots
Speaker 1: are right, And my column for tomorrow I got started
Speaker 1: on it was going to be this is gonna be
Speaker 1: a big test to see if this Cowboys offense is
Speaker 1: for real going up against Belichick and the number five
Speaker 1: defense in the league, which, by the way, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go back and listen to our show from Tuesday and
Speaker 1: quote Everson Walls on what Belichick likes to do defensively
Speaker 1: when he goes up against a high powered offense until
Speaker 1: Bill stopped him from giving away. So I think it's
Speaker 1: interesting how they're looking at this game, and I think
Speaker 1: people for the Hall of Fame, Now you're gonna right,
Speaker 1: he didn't do for the Hall of Fame. Now you
Speaker 1: just screwed all of that. Right. You want to hear
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick on the Cowboys offense? I would love it. Oh,
Speaker 1: here we go. This is yesterday as press conference on
Speaker 1: the Cowboys offense. They're balanced, They're good at everything. Balanced.
Speaker 1: They do a lot of things that compliment other things
Speaker 1: that they do. Wow, that was a deep state about that.
Speaker 1: Other things that I've got more, very deep statement. That's
Speaker 1: a deep statement, Belichick on the digs. You want that
Speaker 1: one here, let's go. I think we have time for it.
Speaker 1: Read this is on. They asked him about Treyvon Diggs
Speaker 1: and he had Lea's league and six interceptions. This is
Speaker 1: what his comments was. Yeah, stinctive, very talented, guy, plays
Speaker 1: the ball well, good cover skills. That's it. How do
Speaker 1: you stay awake? Yeah? Man? And this gonna be the show.
Speaker 1: His press conference in history shortest answers fourteen minutes long.
Speaker 1: Fourteen minutes long. We've got about fifteen comment. That's crazy's
Speaker 1: comment a minute. The question. This is a really funny one. Actually.
Speaker 1: They asked about um dan Quinn's defense. Okay, like, you know,
Speaker 1: has he changed the defense coming, you know, going from
Speaker 1: Atlanta to here? And this was his comments yesterday. I'm
Speaker 1: the foundation of it's similar. I wouldn't say it's quite
Speaker 1: the same time. Let's take about it. They've changed some things.
Speaker 1: They changed some things, they change some things, you know,
Speaker 1: for me, come on there, why even go in there?
Speaker 1: So how are we waiting for that one moment? All right,
Speaker 1: Let's say he was sort of a journeyman coach and
Speaker 1: he had been this is like his fourth team, and
Speaker 1: how would he How would his press conferences be different
Speaker 1: if he was a coach that was maybe on the
Speaker 1: hot seat and doesn't have twenty two years of success
Speaker 1: in doing like anyone would show up. I don't think
Speaker 1: that would be And how would he be perceived by
Speaker 1: the media They jump all over just the way, and
Speaker 1: I think and an owner wouldn't keep him as the coach.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're not selling your team a little
Speaker 1: bit more than that. Yeah, no, exactly. You can understand
Speaker 1: him being a journeyman just by his interviews. I mean,
Speaker 1: come on, nobody wants to talk to him. He don't
Speaker 1: want to talk anybody. That's crazy. I wonder if he
Speaker 1: had the sweatshirt cut, collar off and shorts. When I
Speaker 1: first met him, he was, you know, just a pleasant dude,
Speaker 1: a normal normal yeah. And then after that man once
Speaker 1: once that meeting was over, next time I saw it,
Speaker 1: it was totally different. But like I said last year,
Speaker 1: I would regularly listen to his press conferences, and there
Speaker 1: are certain days that he was more forthcoming and interviews
Speaker 1: and stuff. Those are the ones. That's why you stay,
Speaker 1: That's why waiting for that moment where he would go
Speaker 1: thirty minutes just talking and philosophically about things, and so
Speaker 1: be like, man, you missed it. Oh damn, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what though. You know, Tom was nice about it,
Speaker 1: but he didn't give out information. That's exactly right. There's
Speaker 1: another uh comparison there between Belichick and Landry that he
Speaker 1: didn't believe and giving up it. I remember the first
Speaker 1: time I asked him a question in a press conference,
Speaker 1: and it was one of those tuesdays and I finally
Speaker 1: got up the nerve to ask a question. I had
Speaker 1: it rehearsed and I got it out there and he
Speaker 1: said rehearsed, No, not the answer. Micky was in front
Speaker 1: of him in your mind out this is my moment.
Speaker 1: And then we're talking to himself in the mirror, and
Speaker 1: then Tom he's actually, should I call him code like
Speaker 1: I should? Like you guys just ruined the punchline. Sorry, man,
Speaker 1: sometimes you are the parson. So his answer his answer
Speaker 1: was no, not really, and that was it. That's it.
Speaker 1: I don't remember the question. From all I know is
Speaker 1: the answer was no, not that. And remember what the
Speaker 1: question every time he got a question he didn't want
Speaker 1: to answer was that was not really? That was it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Just no, not really was the answer that question? You
Speaker 1: worked so hard in front of the mirror of the
Speaker 1: morning before, and that's all I got. You're gonna kill
Speaker 1: its bags. I'm looking all right. I got one last
Speaker 1: one for you guys. So this was the the quote
Speaker 1: unquote David Moore first question out of the box. The
Speaker 1: guy asked the question, and then the answer from Bill I.
Speaker 1: I put the question in there because you're like, okay,
Speaker 1: what's this guy really asking? Okay, so listen, listen to
Speaker 1: this is the first question out of the box yesterday.
Speaker 1: One of the reasons it seems like the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: hard to sack offensively is they've got a good line,
Speaker 1: but death gets the ball out of his hands quickly.
Speaker 1: Or they are they have They been a short kind
Speaker 1: of attacking passing game from what you've seen. If they're open,
Speaker 1: open down the field, we'll throw the throw down the
Speaker 1: field and he'll throw it to everybody whoever's open. And
Speaker 1: a lot of times you just got two or three
Speaker 1: guys to choose from. It's a hard grip to cover.
Speaker 1: Actually that was a good answer because the guy's question
Speaker 1: was like, did you ever watched the Cowboys play? It
Speaker 1: was a leading you know, it was like, he's like
Speaker 1: a leading questions. They almost answered the question for him
Speaker 1: in the question there get the ball out fast because
Speaker 1: they don't throw the ball down the field. Right, Oh, okay,
Speaker 1: you said that, I didn't. Did you watch the game
Speaker 1: last week? Yeah? Goodness. He probably should have said. Parcels
Speaker 1: would have said all. Parcels would have just said, you
Speaker 1: know what, parselves would story. Parcels would have ate up
Speaker 1: today's press conference too, when they got kept going on
Speaker 1: this this mental thing the coach Chad and and the
Speaker 1: questions kept coming and coming and coming, and it was
Speaker 1: the second day in a row, and all I could
Speaker 1: think of in my mind, Parcels would have go, Okay,
Speaker 1: we had enough of this, and see you could you
Speaker 1: imagine the difference between those two in meetings? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: because you know Bill's Bill, right, I'm sorry, Belichick's Belichick
Speaker 1: and plus sales plus seals. Yeah, so I would imagine
Speaker 1: once Belichick became the boss, his own boss. It to
Speaker 1: change a little bit different. The dynamic changed a little
Speaker 1: bit because first you got yeah, yeah, yeah, and he
Speaker 1: got quiet. Now I'm the boss, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of how they knocked heads a little
Speaker 1: bit when they separated. So what was Belichick like in
Speaker 1: a meeting room? He was just like the press conference.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just gonna tell you what you need
Speaker 1: to know, a little bit more emphatic when it comes
Speaker 1: to stressing certain things that are important. But when I
Speaker 1: got there, everyone in the room was a veteran. You know,
Speaker 1: lt was smart. You know by the time he had
Speaker 1: been been with Bill all that time, with Belichick all
Speaker 1: the time, he learned a lot of things. And he
Speaker 1: not only did he play instinctively, he was a better
Speaker 1: player as he got older because the stuff that Belichick
Speaker 1: taught him. Now you're sitting up there with Call Banks,
Speaker 1: that's another coach on the field, Gary Reasons, that's another
Speaker 1: coach on the field. So you really everything's almost kind
Speaker 1: of understood in the meeting. We've been here before, guys
Speaker 1: that hadn't changed the defense since eighty six or whatever
Speaker 1: since he got there. So it wasn't like they had
Speaker 1: the whole to justness to make and they play against
Speaker 1: the same opponents. He knows the same coaches, so he
Speaker 1: attacks it in that way in a very uniform manner.
Speaker 1: And like I said, the most exciting thing that happened
Speaker 1: was when LT was later or something, and that never happened. Well, no,
Speaker 1: not much, all right, let's talk Zeke here when we
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Speaker 1: have about eight minutes left on this edition of Mix Shots,
Speaker 1: we play to cut from him Zeke talking about to
Speaker 1: him being limited in practice yesterday and his rib injury
Speaker 1: which stretches all the way to his backside. Um. There
Speaker 1: has been a series the Zeke interviews this season have
Speaker 1: been very entertaining. So did you catch all of yesterday's
Speaker 1: I did not? Ye have some more you would like
Speaker 1: to pass along. Well, they were asking him about last year, okay,
Speaker 1: and he said, oh yeah, he goes that was an
Speaker 1: S show meeting himself the fumbles and he called it,
Speaker 1: called it an S show. That is very accurate. A
Speaker 1: lot of people would concurred with that, you know. But
Speaker 1: like the other day, he's talking about Trey Vin and
Speaker 1: we've talked about on the show and the number of interceptions.
Speaker 1: Why he's at six now, Man, what's a record nine
Speaker 1: or ten? And and someone said fourteen. Oh oh, that's
Speaker 1: a lot. Yes. The giggle that he has is just
Speaker 1: it's infectious, and it's it's so funny, the giggle at
Speaker 1: the end of the rib. But you know what, he's
Speaker 1: become more real this year, like he's let his guard down.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure why, but he was very protective for
Speaker 1: I would say the majority of his first three seasons,
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of it had to do
Speaker 1: with the court case and and he didn't trust people.
Speaker 1: There's something. There's no baggage this year. He's in a
Speaker 1: really good place. And part of it maybe he knows
Speaker 1: he's in the best shape probably of his life, and
Speaker 1: he's he's playing well and he's just in a great frame.
Speaker 1: Of mind. But it's it's in those interviews you can
Speaker 1: really see it. And I think you put it best
Speaker 1: there that it's he's not guarded at anything, that he
Speaker 1: he's just himself and you can see what of how
Speaker 1: he has got to be one of the most popular
Speaker 1: guys in that locker room. Oh absolutely, And I think
Speaker 1: he's taken a leadership role too in there. And if
Speaker 1: you think about at the end of these interviews before,
Speaker 1: when we were in the locker room and everybody's huddled
Speaker 1: around him, he would finish and then he just kind
Speaker 1: of put his head down and you know, and walk off.
Speaker 1: There was no little very rarely a chit chat. Now
Speaker 1: he finishes and he goes all right, well good, everybody
Speaker 1: have a good day, you know, and it's like, all right,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe it's a maturity about him that
Speaker 1: where he felt like he had to be guarded on
Speaker 1: what he said and so we would kind of get
Speaker 1: caught in his answers to questions where he wasn't sure
Speaker 1: what to say, and so he would stumble a little bit.
Speaker 1: But he is just it's very smooth. I've told our
Speaker 1: producers at CBS eleven, we need to put a reel
Speaker 1: together of just the funny stuff which has that laughter
Speaker 1: and stuff of throughout this season. By the end of
Speaker 1: the season, you could have a five minute reel that
Speaker 1: is just really entertaining. And he's laughing at his talk.
Speaker 1: He's he's last joke. It's self deprecating. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just it's it's just really cool. And part of it too,
Speaker 1: he's very very comfortable because people wonder, oh, Tony Poler
Speaker 1: is getting all these carries and stuff. He's fully on
Speaker 1: board with that. You can just tell that that's he's
Speaker 1: bought into the team. And I think that's kind of
Speaker 1: one of the traits for this team right now, is
Speaker 1: how unselfish they are, and you rarely see that on offense.
Speaker 1: Right the receivers are the unreceivers in the NFL, because
Speaker 1: no one's worrying about how many targets they get, how
Speaker 1: many get yeah, yeah, yeah. Could you think about prison
Speaker 1: and Butch Johnson, Is that what you are you saying?
Speaker 1: Michael Irvin is a prim do now? I think I
Speaker 1: was referring more closely to Terrell Owens and Dez Bryant
Speaker 1: because of their persona, they would they would provoke the question, oh,
Speaker 1: are you happy? Did you get enough touches? You know?
Speaker 1: Did you get enough targets? And and and and and
Speaker 1: port Terrell Owens. It was like I could answer those
Speaker 1: questions for him, you know, the Tony Dungee. It wasn't
Speaker 1: a verse. I don't know what it was one of
Speaker 1: the uh uh phone providers. I could put the helmet
Speaker 1: on like Dungee did. The kid was on a date
Speaker 1: in the car and he was telling him what to
Speaker 1: say to the date. Right. I could have answered his
Speaker 1: questions for him. Just listen to me right, and he
Speaker 1: would he would. He would try to take on a
Speaker 1: group of twenty people and you can't do it. You
Speaker 1: can't do it, you know. And and port Dez he
Speaker 1: was just so nice. I mean, he was nice, but
Speaker 1: he didn't know how to answer right exactly, a politically
Speaker 1: correct exactly. That one day when he told Rich Dalrymple,
Speaker 1: the PR direct or, somebody asked a question. He didn't
Speaker 1: like it. He was like, Rich, fix this, and it's
Speaker 1: still a drop. Now it's still a drop. I'm on
Speaker 1: those same lines with what kind of question did he
Speaker 1: ask it? I forgot what it was. Somebody was in
Speaker 1: the locker room doing something and he didn't like it. No,
Speaker 1: it was it was someone was live tweeting something in
Speaker 1: the locker room and oh he saw Dez was at
Speaker 1: his locker reading this guy Lowe in the locker room
Speaker 1: and he was basically complaining because the guy was like
Speaker 1: he was a national guy that was just there. I
Speaker 1: believe he wasn't one of the beat guys. Okay, was
Speaker 1: that guy fixed this? But now when you start talking
Speaker 1: about Zeke, it was all the things that you guys said.
Speaker 1: It was maturity and that was Dez. No, I'm talking
Speaker 1: about Zeke. Yeah, I'm talking about Zeke. Chris. I said
Speaker 1: that was Dez who said that, not Zeke. Thank you,
Speaker 1: but that way. Moved on, Chris, we're doing the I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna mess you up because you're producing. I want
Speaker 1: you to get on this. Chris, I move along. Chris, please,
Speaker 1: I'm not the only one they picked out. Okay, but
Speaker 1: now it's both of those. Because of the maturity, he
Speaker 1: has overcome all of that, you know, the Bourbon Street that, yeah,
Speaker 1: just the rumors, the stuff of the Ohio state that
Speaker 1: follow them, and just so much massive. He finally put
Speaker 1: that parade. Yeah, all of that, he finally put he
Speaker 1: finally put it behind him though, you know, and because
Speaker 1: you can put that behind you, now he's more comfortable
Speaker 1: with himself and like you say, lost that weight. He
Speaker 1: feels so much better to what all excuses are behind me,
Speaker 1: and now it can be myself. And let's not forget
Speaker 1: having the quarterback that's so cut and dry conservative. It's
Speaker 1: easier to be the opposite of that. You let you
Speaker 1: let that, you know, tow the line, and then that
Speaker 1: means I can be more relaxed and be myself while
Speaker 1: I'm kind of show you what the other things behind him,
Speaker 1: yards and defenders. He is four fifty two right now
Speaker 1: after five games I figured out over a seventeen game season,
Speaker 1: he's on a fifteen hundred yard pace and he's third
Speaker 1: right now in the NFL with four fifty two. Only
Speaker 1: guys ahead of him are Henry and Chubb, but he's
Speaker 1: got less carries than them, but he's averaging five point
Speaker 1: three yards a carry, and among nine kickers in the NFC,
Speaker 1: he's the leading scorer with six touchdowns. And let's look
Speaker 1: at it like that. If it wasn't you know, we
Speaker 1: love Tony Polos, of course, and he loves him being there.
Speaker 1: But if it wasn't for Tony, then those numbers would
Speaker 1: be even high. And Polard's tenth by the way, so
Speaker 1: you had five yards. You add just half of Polo's
Speaker 1: numbers to Zeke and then that's what you're looking. So
Speaker 1: those two guys right now, if I do some quick
Speaker 1: math here, they're like at eight hundred yards three three
Speaker 1: twenty five and four fifty two, four fifty two, seven
Speaker 1: seventy seven. Okay, that was pretty divided by five. That's
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty five point four per game time seventeen.
Speaker 1: They're on a pace together to have two thousand, six
Speaker 1: hundred and forty two yards this season. So that's why
Speaker 1: right now the Cowboys are the second ranked rushing offense
Speaker 1: in the league. I believe it's behind Buffalo or Cleveland,
Speaker 1: behind Cleveland Cleveland, and the quarterback with the number two
Speaker 1: tack rating, So what does that add up to? Hell
Speaker 1: of an offensive line? Right That's what Patty adds up
Speaker 1: to a hell of an offensive line. I got to
Speaker 1: stay a hell of a play call as well. And
Speaker 1: the quarterback is fourth in touchdown passes and by the way,
Speaker 1: a lot of the stuff we're talking about, Zeke, you
Speaker 1: can also apply to Amari Cooper, right, and his interviews
Speaker 1: that he's doing this year. I mean, he is very insightful.
Speaker 1: You can see how smart he is in his interviews.
Speaker 1: There's a comfort level that he has this year that uh,
Speaker 1: it's it's a change from the past. And maybe it
Speaker 1: has a lot to do just with the confidence that
Speaker 1: this team. They really believe they got something special here.
Speaker 1: And like you said, you got why a group of
Speaker 1: wide receivers that are unselfish. No one's complaining that is
Speaker 1: that is very very that's without Michael Gallant. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: is very unusual. And then throw two tight ends in
Speaker 1: there too, and you know, and it's not like Jarwin's
Speaker 1: going all should the best he can, That's right. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's an amazing offense. And like I said, we
Speaker 1: will find out more just how good they are when
Speaker 1: they go up against the professor that's right, number five
Speaker 1: defense in the league, that's right. And they held and
Speaker 1: like I said, they held, They held Brainy to nineteen
Speaker 1: points and touchdown passes. That was a bad weather game.
Speaker 1: This is gonna be a good way now. They played
Speaker 1: him well in the Texas State in at NT Stadium
Speaker 1: as well. When he came here. That wasn't bad they
Speaker 1: could have done. Talk about Brady against New England. Oh
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. And in fact, we can close with this
Speaker 1: weather forecast on Sunday in Boston, not Foxborough, but Boston
Speaker 1: close enough. Sixty six degrees for the high, partly cloudy skies,
Speaker 1: low fifty two, high sixty six. That's right, that's one
Speaker 1: for Boston. Yeah, okay, but just know when they went
Speaker 1: up there in that rain storm in twenty nineteen, dacked
Speaker 1: through for more yards than Brady and had more total
Speaker 1: yards offense than the Patriots did, and they lost thirteen
Speaker 1: to nine. Nine time Pro Bowler Matthews Slater. That's right.
Speaker 1: Special teams, all right, We will have our picks to
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