WEBVTT - #356 Wrongful Conviction: False Confessions -  Peter Reilly

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, it's Laura and I writer. I am here

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<v Speaker 1>with an update on a case we shared with you

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<v Speaker 1>back in season one of False Confessions. The subject is

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Riley, whose really unusual case marks the starting point

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<v Speaker 1>of the modern movement to expose false confessions. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>case that's had a profound impact on my own work

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<v Speaker 1>and the work of my co host Steve Drissen. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the case of Peter Riley is in some ways a

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<v Speaker 1>classic false confession story. It involves a young and vulnerable suspect,

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<v Speaker 1>questionable police tactics, and a series of investigative errors. But

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<v Speaker 1>in other ways this case stands out is pretty odd.

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<v Speaker 1>Perhaps most noticeably, the famous playwright Arthur Miller became Peter's champion.

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<v Speaker 1>He raised the profile of the case and raised the

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<v Speaker 1>funds for Peter's bail and defense. Arthur Miller wrote powerfully

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<v Speaker 1>about the phenomenon of false confessions, invoking Galileo and even

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<v Speaker 1>the subject of his famous play The Crucible, bring national attention.

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<v Speaker 2>To the issue.

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<v Speaker 1>It's in that spirit that Steve and I continue our

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<v Speaker 1>work today, both in the course of justice and the

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<v Speaker 1>courts of public opinion. Welcome to wrongful conviction, False Confessions.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Laura and I writer, and I'm Steve Tersen. Today

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to tell you our last story of season one.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about Peter Riley, one of the first modern day

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<v Speaker 1>false confessors. In nineteen seventy three, police interrogated eighteen year

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<v Speaker 1>old Peter until he started to believe he was guilty

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<v Speaker 1>of murdering his own mother. But Peter's friends and neighbors

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<v Speaker 1>believed in his innocence. Their small town campaign for Peter's

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<v Speaker 1>freedom was eventually joined by a host of big name celebrities.

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<v Speaker 1>Peter's story helped launch the movement against wrongful convictions and

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<v Speaker 1>false confessions. It inspires the work that Steve and I

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<v Speaker 1>do to this day.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, the Peter Riley case was my baptism in

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<v Speaker 3>the world of false confessions. When I learned about Peter's case,

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<v Speaker 3>it was really the first time that I even knew

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<v Speaker 3>that it was possible for police officers, through their tactics,

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<v Speaker 3>to get an innocent person to confess to a crime

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<v Speaker 3>they didn't commit. And I was fascinated by it.

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<v Speaker 1>I know the feeling for me. It was thirty years

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<v Speaker 1>later when I watched those takes of Brendan Dacy's false confession.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so easy to get hooked by these stories, these people,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can't walk away.

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<v Speaker 3>Peter Riley was about five or six years older than me,

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<v Speaker 3>but we grew up in the same era in terms

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<v Speaker 3>of the kind of music that we liked. Peter was

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<v Speaker 3>very into classic rock, Pink Floyd, Jethro Toll and Peter

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<v Speaker 3>wore his hair long, very much in the same way

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<v Speaker 3>that I wore my hair, so I felt a connection

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<v Speaker 3>to Peter. I lived in a community not unlike Peter's,

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<v Speaker 3>where people knew each other through Little League or the

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<v Speaker 3>boy Scouts, where mothers watched out for each other's kids.

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<v Speaker 3>And the more I learned about Peter's story, the more

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<v Speaker 3>I began to understand that what happened to Peter very

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<v Speaker 3>easily could have happened to me. In addition to these

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<v Speaker 3>connections that I found with Peter, this was a case

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<v Speaker 3>in a part of the country which was the birthplace

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<v Speaker 3>of false confessions in the United States, the Salem witch Trials.

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<v Speaker 3>It sent me on an exploration, a lifelong exploration, to

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<v Speaker 3>try to figure out why it is that people would

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<v Speaker 3>confess to crimes they didn't commit.

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<v Speaker 1>Peter's story begins in Falls Village, Connecticut, a tiny community

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<v Speaker 1>of five hundred people that's part of a larger town

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<v Speaker 1>called Canaan. If you've been to New England, Falls Village

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<v Speaker 1>is pretty classic, complete with rivers, horse farms, and covered bridges.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the kind of place where no one locks their doors,

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<v Speaker 1>where everyone looks out for each other. In September nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy three, leaves were turning color across Connecticut, and eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>year old Peter Riley had just begun his senior year

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<v Speaker 1>of high school. Peter was a skinny kid, just over

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred pounds and an uninspired student whose real love

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<v Speaker 1>was his rock band. He lived in Falls Village in

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<v Speaker 1>a small cottage, just him and his mom, Barbara Gibbons. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>for lack of a better phrase, Barbara was the town eccentric.

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<v Speaker 1>She was highly educated, well read, and well traveled. But

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<v Speaker 1>she was also a single mother, which was a big

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<v Speaker 1>deal in nineteen seventy three, and she was a heavy drinker.

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<v Speaker 1>She had a reputation as someone who always spoke her mind,

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<v Speaker 1>even if it rubbed some people the wrong way. But

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<v Speaker 1>in Peter's eyes, his mother was someone brilliant who loved

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<v Speaker 1>and protected him, just like he loved and stood up

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<v Speaker 1>for her. It was the two of them against the world.

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<v Speaker 1>On the evening of Friday, September twenty eighth, Peter attends

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<v Speaker 1>a youth group meeting at the local church. He leaves

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<v Speaker 1>at about nine thirty pm and drives home, but when

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<v Speaker 1>he walks in the door, his world is turned upside down.

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<v Speaker 1>His mother is lying mostly unclothed on the bedroom floor.

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<v Speaker 1>Her throat's been cut so deeply she's nearly decapitated, and

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<v Speaker 1>she's been stabbed and beaten so badly that both of

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<v Speaker 1>her thigh bones are broken. Peter freezes, His instinct warns

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<v Speaker 1>him not to disturb the scene by touching the body. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>he grabs the phone and makes a series of calls

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<v Speaker 1>to paramedics, hospitals, and doctors. A hospital worker calls the police,

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<v Speaker 1>and the cops show up within minutes. When the police arrive,

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<v Speaker 1>Peter's in shock. He's just discovered his mother dead. But

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<v Speaker 1>the officers think Peter's being too calm, and they begin

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<v Speaker 1>to suspect him. They take him into a neighbor's home

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<v Speaker 1>and strip searcheim. They're looking for scratches, cuts, bruises, any

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<v Speaker 1>indication that Peter had taken part in a brutal struggle,

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<v Speaker 1>but they find nothing. Peter's wearing jeans, a brown T shirt,

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<v Speaker 1>and gold sneakers, and a witness from the church confirms

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<v Speaker 1>that Peter's been wearing the same clothes all night. The

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<v Speaker 1>police examination finds no blood anywhere on his body, clothing,

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<v Speaker 1>or shoes, but the cops are still suspicious. They question

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<v Speaker 1>Peter in the back seat of a squad car. Then

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<v Speaker 1>they take him down to the station and hold him

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<v Speaker 1>over an Peter doesn't sleep at all, but the next

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<v Speaker 1>morning he has the presence of mind to ask for

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<v Speaker 1>a polygraph. The police give him one, but they tell

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<v Speaker 1>him that he failed the test, and when Peter's told

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<v Speaker 1>that he failed, he begins to doubt his own memory

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<v Speaker 1>because he believes polygraphs are infallible. Before too long, Peter

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<v Speaker 1>begins to wonder whether he might have killed his mother

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<v Speaker 1>but somehow doesn't remember it now, believe it or not,

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<v Speaker 1>police record the interrogation on an old reel to reel machine,

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<v Speaker 1>even though they weren't legally required to do so in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy three. On tape, they egg Peter on and

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<v Speaker 1>suggest that he might have amnesia they tell him sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>when people commit these crimes, the memories are so traumatic

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<v Speaker 1>that people repress them, and Peter Riley starts believing that

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<v Speaker 1>he might be a murderer. I believe I did it now,

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<v Speaker 1>he tells the police. But I don't remember.

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<v Speaker 3>Peter says, over and over again, we got to keep digging, digging,

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<v Speaker 3>digging to get this information out of me. Because he

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<v Speaker 3>wants to know what this information.

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<v Speaker 1>Is, he asks the police for truth serum, and at

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<v Speaker 1>another point he even says, can you pound this out

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<v Speaker 1>of me? The police praise Peter for being willing to

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<v Speaker 1>admit he might be guilty. They tell him, we're not

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<v Speaker 1>here to punish you. Maybe you'll go to a mental

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<v Speaker 1>hospital for three months. Peter begins to feel like he's

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<v Speaker 1>bonding with his interrogators, like they're all working together to

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<v Speaker 1>fill in the blanks in his memory, and eventually their

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<v Speaker 1>teamwork succeeds. Peter had a straight razor at home, a

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<v Speaker 1>small blade that he used to make model airplanes. After

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<v Speaker 1>hours of questioning, he eventually says that he could have

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<v Speaker 1>used that razor to attack his mom. He adds that

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<v Speaker 1>he could have broken her legs by jumping on them.

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<v Speaker 1>In other words, he gives what we now call a

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<v Speaker 1>persuaded false confession.

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<v Speaker 3>These are a special subspecies of false confessions that are

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<v Speaker 3>relatively rare, And what happens in these cases is the

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<v Speaker 3>police interrogation tactics themselves cause a suspect to begin to

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<v Speaker 3>doubt their own memory, and the suspect is persuaded that

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<v Speaker 3>he or she must have committed the crime but can't

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<v Speaker 3>remember it, and the interrogation becomes an exercise in reconstructing

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<v Speaker 3>the suspect's memories of the crime. But the memories aren't real,

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<v Speaker 3>they're confabulations.

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<v Speaker 1>Peter's confabulated story isn't realistic. A small razor wasn't capable

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<v Speaker 1>of inflicting deep wounds like those on Barbara's neck, and

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<v Speaker 1>Peter was one hundred and ten pound weekly there's no

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<v Speaker 1>way he could have broken his mother's thigh bones just

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<v Speaker 1>by jumping on them. But police ignore those problems. After all,

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<v Speaker 1>they've got a confession. By the end of the interrogation,

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<v Speaker 1>Peter starts realizing that he has no family left.

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<v Speaker 3>You're talking about someone who has just lost the only

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<v Speaker 3>family member in his life. Peter never knew his father.

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<v Speaker 3>His mother has now been murdered, they live alone in

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<v Speaker 3>this small cottage, and he's thinking that he's gotten nowhere

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<v Speaker 3>to go, and.

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<v Speaker 1>So Peter asks his interrogator, is there any chance that

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<v Speaker 1>you might take me in? I wouldn't want to impose,

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<v Speaker 1>he adds, I'll do work around the house. I really

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<v Speaker 1>would love to live with a family.

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<v Speaker 3>I've never seen that before. Just a complete dependence on

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<v Speaker 3>one's interrogator and a complete sort of loss of understanding

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<v Speaker 3>of the fact that this person is his adversary.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard to imagine anything more purely fucked up.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the most disturbing thing about this interrogation.

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<v Speaker 1>But Peter doesn't get to go live with the cops,

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<v Speaker 1>even though he's done everything they asked. Instead, he's arrested

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<v Speaker 1>and booked into jail. Once Peter is away from his

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<v Speaker 1>interrogator's influence, he immediately realizes he didn't actually kill anyone,

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<v Speaker 1>and he recants his confession, but it's too late. On

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<v Speaker 1>September twenty ninth, nineteen seventy three, Peter Riley is charged

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<v Speaker 1>with the murder of his own mother. Barbara's murder and

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<v Speaker 1>Peter's arrest shook falls village to its core. Everyone was

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<v Speaker 1>following this track, including one residence who would go on

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<v Speaker 1>to become an important figure in Peter's story.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Donald Connery. Well, one thing I can

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<v Speaker 2>claim for some distinction is that I probably am the

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<v Speaker 2>only foreign correspondent who ever made a complete career shift

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<v Speaker 2>overnight from reporting international affairs to investigating the criminal justice system.

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<v Speaker 3>Don Connery was an esteemed journalist, and the last thing

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<v Speaker 3>on his mind was the subject of false confessions. But

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<v Speaker 3>this murder was big news in this small town, and

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<v Speaker 3>you couldn't help but be drawn into it. He began

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<v Speaker 3>to start looking into the case himself and later wrote

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<v Speaker 3>a book about the case that was an absolutely essential

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<v Speaker 3>text about what happened to Peter Riley.

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<v Speaker 1>Don Connery's in his nineties. But in nineteen seventy three,

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<v Speaker 1>he had just moved to Falls village with his wife

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<v Speaker 1>and kids, and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Thought, this was a terrible event which will play out

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<v Speaker 2>and will have nothing to do with me, except that

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<v Speaker 2>the accused eighteen year old was a friend and classmate

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<v Speaker 2>of my children who went to the regional high school,

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<v Speaker 2>and Peter was someone they talked about or knew about.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, something extraordinary happens after Peter's arrest is announced. Remember,

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<v Speaker 1>people in this tiny town know Peter Riley and they

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<v Speaker 1>like him.

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<v Speaker 3>This was in the age before social media, where communities

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<v Speaker 3>were much more connected in a sense. They met each

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<v Speaker 3>other through clubs, extracurricular activities at schools, church groups, boy Scouts,

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<v Speaker 3>and the entire community knew who Peter was. From these

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<v Speaker 3>various essential parts of the social fabric of Falls village.

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<v Speaker 1>Peter's arrest leads to a groundswell of support. Everyone starts

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<v Speaker 1>defending his innocence.

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<v Speaker 2>After reading the initial stories. My younger children, Carol and

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<v Speaker 2>Julie kept saying Peter couldn't possibly have done this.

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<v Speaker 1>The mothers of his high school classmates form a group

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<v Speaker 1>called Canaan Mothers, and they hold bake sales to raise

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<v Speaker 1>money so that Peter can get released on bond before

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<v Speaker 1>his trial. Some families even put their houses up as security.

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<v Speaker 1>It was incredible mothers supporting the accused mother killer.

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<v Speaker 3>They wanted to do everything in their power to help him.

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<v Speaker 2>My kids said, and other neighbors said, you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>don't think this is possible. There's no reason to think

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<v Speaker 2>that he had any cause to harm his mother. And

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<v Speaker 2>the word was in the community that yes, Peter. It

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<v Speaker 2>confessed that nobody could under then why he would admit

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<v Speaker 2>to something he didn't do, but their protests caught the

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<v Speaker 2>attention of the media.

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<v Speaker 1>A reporter named Joan Bartel hears about how the town

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<v Speaker 1>of Falls Village is rallying behind an accused murderer. She

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<v Speaker 1>listens to Peter's interrogation tapes and writes an explosive article

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<v Speaker 1>in a magazine called New Times. The article questions Peter's

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<v Speaker 1>guilt and includes many excerpts from his interrogation, exposing the

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<v Speaker 1>CoP's manipulation of Peter. People around the state are horrified

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<v Speaker 1>to read about a teenage boy made to believe that

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<v Speaker 1>he killed his own mother. Donations flow in to the

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<v Speaker 1>Canaan mothers, and soon enough money is raised for Peter

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<v Speaker 1>to post bond fifty thousand dollars. He's released and moves

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<v Speaker 1>in with one of his friend's families. Peter Riley is

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<v Speaker 1>welcomed back into the Falls Village community.

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<v Speaker 2>This so called killer went straight back to high school

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<v Speaker 2>to complete his senior year, and it didn't seem to

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<v Speaker 2>worry parents or teachers of the principal, who in fact

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<v Speaker 2>supported him.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the things that attracted reporters to this case,

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<v Speaker 3>including Don Connery was the idea that in order for

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<v Speaker 3>these people to embrace Peter, they had to understand or

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<v Speaker 3>at least believe that this confession was false. And here

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<v Speaker 3>they are taking this suspected, confessed murderer into their own

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<v Speaker 3>homes or being willing to do so, and to raise

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<v Speaker 3>money for him, and to advocate for him and to

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<v Speaker 3>fight for him. That's remarkable.

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Riley was free on bond, but prosecutors were moving

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<v Speaker 1>forward with his trial anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>The community was confident that the trial in nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 2>four would quickly lead to an acquittal. He would be

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<v Speaker 2>found innocent.

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<v Speaker 1>But on April twelfth, nineteen seventy four, Good Friday, Peter

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<v Speaker 1>Riley was convicted of killing his own mother.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a bombshell when the jury decided almost entirely

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<v Speaker 2>in the basis of the confession, so called confession, that

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<v Speaker 2>he was guilty, and he was sentenced to six to

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen years from manslaughter and driven off at high speed

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<v Speaker 2>to the high security penitentiary.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though he'd just been convicted of murder, Peter only

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<v Speaker 1>spent a few hours in prison. Amazingly, a court ruled

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<v Speaker 1>that he could stay free during his appeal. As long

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<v Speaker 1>as he posted an additional bond ten thousand more dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>His village raised the extra money and Peter was freed.

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<v Speaker 1>But now Peter needed to pay for an appeal, and

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<v Speaker 1>that would cost more than the Canaan mothers could raise,

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<v Speaker 1>so that reporter from New Times, Joan Bartel, sent the

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<v Speaker 1>article she wrote about Peter's case to another Connecticut resident,

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<v Speaker 1>the famous playwright Arthur Miller.

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<v Speaker 3>Arthur Miller was my favorite playwright. I remember reading all

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<v Speaker 3>of his plays in high school in the nineteen seventies

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<v Speaker 3>Death of the Salesman all my sons. I liked him

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<v Speaker 3>not only because his plays moved me. I liked him

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<v Speaker 3>because he was a public figure that cared deeply about justice.

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<v Speaker 3>He was a playwright with a conscience.

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<v Speaker 2>The Crucible, probably Miller's greatest play, had been motivated in

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<v Speaker 2>part by the false accusations that went on in Salem

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<v Speaker 2>and Massachusetts three hundred years ago, when twenty one people

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<v Speaker 2>were falsely accused of satanic activities and either hung or

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<v Speaker 2>in one case of being crushed to death executed. And

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<v Speaker 2>Miller also personally had faced the House of American Activities

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<v Speaker 2>Committee accused of being a communist or worse. So he

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<v Speaker 2>had every reason to that this is something that he

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<v Speaker 2>should put right, and he invested a great deal of

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<v Speaker 2>his time to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Arthur Miller read Jones article. He was appalled by the

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<v Speaker 1>tragedy of Peter's confession, and he began to take a

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<v Speaker 1>leading role in Peter's fight for vindication. Miller recruited other

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<v Speaker 1>a list celebrities to donate money to Peter's defense, Jack Nicholson,

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<v Speaker 1>Dustin Hoffman, Art Garfunkel, Candice Bergen, William Steyren, Mike Nichols,

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<v Speaker 1>even Elizabeth Taylor. Pretty Soon a powerful coalition of voices

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<v Speaker 1>was gathering steam.

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<v Speaker 2>Overnight. There was a remarkable amount of energy behind the

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<v Speaker 2>effort to free Peter as soon as possible from what everyone,

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<v Speaker 2>at least in Litchfield County saw as a wrongful conviction.

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<v Speaker 1>The first thing Peter needed was a lawyer to handle

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<v Speaker 1>his appeal. Arthur Miller recruited Roy Daily, a former federal prosecutor,

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<v Speaker 1>and as Roy started preparing Peter's appeal, Miller worked to

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<v Speaker 1>raise the public profile of the case. The New York

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<v Speaker 1>Times featured a two part series about Peter on the

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<v Speaker 1>front page. Not long afterwards, sixty Minutes covered the story too. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>Peter's legal team pressed his case in court. Eventually a

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<v Speaker 1>hearing was held to determine whether to grant him a

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<v Speaker 1>new trial. Arthur Miller personally recruited some world renowned experts

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<v Speaker 1>to testify. At that hearing, a forensic pathologist testified that

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<v Speaker 1>if Peter had actually killed his mom, it would have

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<v Speaker 1>been impossible for him to clean all the blood off

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<v Speaker 1>his body and clothing before the police arrived. The pathologist

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<v Speaker 1>also testified that there's no way one hundred and ten

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<v Speaker 1>pound kid could break a woman's thigh bones by jumping

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<v Speaker 1>on them, and a psychologist testified that Peter was suggestible

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<v Speaker 1>and easily manipulated by authority figures. In other words, he

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<v Speaker 1>was highly vulnerable to giving a false confession. This hearing

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<v Speaker 1>took down both the medical evidence against Peter and his confession, and.

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<v Speaker 2>It led to a verdict by George Speziale that a

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<v Speaker 2>bus carriage of justice had happened in his own courtroom,

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<v Speaker 2>and he said that Peter deserved a new trial.

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<v Speaker 1>It was March twenty fifth, nineteen seventy six, a little

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<v Speaker 1>more than two and a half years after Peter lost

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<v Speaker 1>his mom. Peter was granted a new trial, but the

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<v Speaker 1>prosecutor who'd convicted him was up in arms. He believed

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<v Speaker 1>Peter was guilty and vowed to take him to trial again,

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<v Speaker 1>but that didn't end up happening.

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<v Speaker 2>He delayed to a point where he dropped dead on

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<v Speaker 2>a golf course.

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<v Speaker 1>The prosecutor passed away of a heart attack at age

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<v Speaker 1>fifty four, so a new prosecutor, a young man named

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<v Speaker 1>Dennis Santour, takes over, and as he digs into the

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<v Speaker 1>case files, he finds a piece of evidence that had

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<v Speaker 1>never been disclosed to Peter's defense team. A police officer

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<v Speaker 1>and his wife had reported seeing Peter in downtown Canaan

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<v Speaker 1>the night of the murder as he was driving home

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<v Speaker 1>from his church youth group. They'd seen him only a

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<v Speaker 1>few minutes before Peter arrived home, found his mother's body,

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<v Speaker 1>and started calling for help. It was an air tight alibi.

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<v Speaker 1>Those few minutes didn't give Peter enough time to drive

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<v Speaker 1>home and kill his mother before making those phone calls.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this was a so called exculpatory evidence which should

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<v Speaker 2>have been turned over to the state and then to

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<v Speaker 2>the courts, and once it was revealed, it took only

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<v Speaker 2>weeks before Peter Riley was fully exonerated.

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<v Speaker 1>The state of Connecticut formally dropped all charges on November

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fourth, nineteen seventy six. Peter Riley's name was officially cleared.

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<v Speaker 1>After Peter's exoneration, the state police never found Barbara's real

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<v Speaker 1>killer and continued to insist that Peter was guilty.

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<v Speaker 2>The case went into the legal annals as a classic

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<v Speaker 2>false confession tragedy, and it was a prime example of

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<v Speaker 2>these systems on willingness to admit error in most of

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<v Speaker 2>these controversial cases.

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<v Speaker 1>Don Connery eventually wrote a book about the case, Guilty

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<v Speaker 1>until Proven Innocent, and he continued writing about cases of

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<v Speaker 1>wrongful conviction.

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<v Speaker 3>After the Peter Riley case, don Conry became his own

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<v Speaker 3>one man journalistic innocence project. He began taking cases in

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<v Speaker 3>Connecticut and investigating them and writing about them, and he

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<v Speaker 3>also began taking false confession cases from outside of Connecticut

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<v Speaker 3>as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, to add insult to injury, Connecticut police actually stopped

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<v Speaker 1>recording interrogation after Peter's case. Peter's interrogation tapes had made

0:24:04.200 --> 0:24:07.000
<v Speaker 1>them look bad, and they didn't want to look bad again.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't until twenty thirteen that Connecticut adopted a law

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<v Speaker 1>requiring interrogations to be recorded, and who testified before the

0:24:16.640 --> 0:24:20.840
<v Speaker 1>state legislature in support of that bill Peter Riley.

0:24:21.040 --> 0:24:27.000
<v Speaker 3>Peter said, Look, we shouldn't let law enforcement officers get

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<v Speaker 3>away with not recording interrogations, because what it does is

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<v Speaker 3>it makes it impossible for people like me to explain

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<v Speaker 3>to a jury or to the general public how it

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<v Speaker 3>is that I was made to confess to killing my

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<v Speaker 3>own mother. Peter was a powerful advocate for recording, and

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<v Speaker 3>his testimony was critical on getting the bill passed in

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<v Speaker 3>twenty thirteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Most importantly, Peter Riley's case woke the world up to

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<v Speaker 1>the problem of false confessions. This injustice was a rallying

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<v Speaker 1>cry for so many people, including Steve and me. Peter's

0:25:08.359 --> 0:25:13.880
<v Speaker 1>story epitomizes the profound humanity in so many wrongful conviction cases,

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<v Speaker 1>from the tragedy of the crime, to the ugliness of

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<v Speaker 1>false accusation, to the defendant's struggle and perseverance, to the

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<v Speaker 1>good people like Arthur Miller and the Canaan mothers who

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<v Speaker 1>fight for the truth no matter what. In nineteen ninety five,

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<v Speaker 1>the very first conference about False Confessions took place in Hartford, Connecticut.

0:25:35.920 --> 0:25:40.000
<v Speaker 1>Don Connery organized it, and the people who'd helped exonerate

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Riley spoke. Since then, hundreds of confessions had been

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<v Speaker 1>proven false around the country and were just getting started.

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<v Speaker 2>At the Hartford conference, Arthur Miller said at one point

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<v Speaker 2>that the record of mankind is full of confessions of

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<v Speaker 2>events that either never happened.

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<v Speaker 4>Or to which the accused had little or no connection.

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<v Speaker 4>After all, even Galileo confessed that the sun and all

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<v Speaker 4>the stars revolved around the motionless earth. Rather than face

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<v Speaker 4>the wrath of the Church, which for centuries had taught

0:26:16.080 --> 0:26:20.800
<v Speaker 4>the opposite. Confronted with great power against which one has

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<v Speaker 4>only a fragile defense, confession can begin to look like

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<v Speaker 4>the door to freedom. Confession can very readily turn into

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<v Speaker 4>a kind of coin with which to buy one's way

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<v Speaker 4>out of a frightening and painful situation. How then I

0:26:37.320 --> 0:26:40.600
<v Speaker 4>will eat to indict the criminal? Is there a good

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<v Speaker 4>substitute for confession as the mainstay of a prosecution case?

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<v Speaker 4>For starters, I would suggest evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>Wise words. We're not there yet, mister Miller. We're not

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<v Speaker 1>there yet, but we're getting closer every day.

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<v Speaker 5>Hello Peter Howard, and High State do them pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really great to talk to you. What's your life

0:27:07.480 --> 0:27:08.480
<v Speaker 1>like these days?

0:27:09.000 --> 0:27:12.160
<v Speaker 5>While I'm sixty five, so I'm retired at this point,

0:27:12.200 --> 0:27:13.879
<v Speaker 5>which just means I come up with a whole lot

0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:15.359
<v Speaker 5>of work for myself that.

0:27:15.440 --> 0:27:16.280
<v Speaker 3>Don't get paid for it.

0:27:19.000 --> 0:27:22.040
<v Speaker 5>I'm still an avid musician. I play every day. It's

0:27:22.040 --> 0:27:24.359
<v Speaker 5>been something I've done since I saw the Beatles on

0:27:24.480 --> 0:27:26.720
<v Speaker 5>that Sullivan, so it's been a long time. I just

0:27:26.760 --> 0:27:29.399
<v Speaker 5>play a lot of music. I do what's positive for

0:27:29.480 --> 0:27:33.480
<v Speaker 5>me these days, and that's pretty much it. What's your

0:27:33.520 --> 0:27:36.320
<v Speaker 5>favorite song to play? I don't know anything by the

0:27:36.359 --> 0:27:39.600
<v Speaker 5>Alma Brothers.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Steve and I are two lawyers who have

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<v Speaker 1>the honor of standing up in courts and fighting for

0:27:47.960 --> 0:27:51.280
<v Speaker 1>people we believe in. But we're also trying to change

0:27:51.280 --> 0:27:51.880
<v Speaker 1>the world here.

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<v Speaker 3>From the very beginning of my study of false confessions,

0:27:56.840 --> 0:28:01.920
<v Speaker 3>I have gone out into the world and to inform

0:28:02.000 --> 0:28:03.760
<v Speaker 3>people about what I've learned.

0:28:04.200 --> 0:28:06.959
<v Speaker 1>For the first ten years that I did this work,

0:28:07.359 --> 0:28:10.399
<v Speaker 1>we went around the country trying to convince anybody who

0:28:10.440 --> 0:28:13.719
<v Speaker 1>would listen that false confessions even existed, that this happened

0:28:13.760 --> 0:28:17.040
<v Speaker 1>at all. And suddenly there's been this explosion of interest

0:28:17.119 --> 0:28:20.119
<v Speaker 1>in understanding that false confessions can happen to anyone, that

0:28:20.119 --> 0:28:21.800
<v Speaker 1>they could happen to you, they could happen to me,

0:28:22.560 --> 0:28:25.960
<v Speaker 1>and to see the urgency for reform that hearing these

0:28:25.960 --> 0:28:29.240
<v Speaker 1>stories produces. It's a sea change, and it's a very

0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:30.480
<v Speaker 1>very welcome sea change.

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<v Speaker 3>When I got started in this work in nineteen ninety five,

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<v Speaker 3>there were only two states that required electronic recording of interrogations,

0:28:40.240 --> 0:28:44.160
<v Speaker 3>and now they're twenty seven. There should be fifty. We

0:28:44.240 --> 0:28:46.320
<v Speaker 3>are getting to a point where I think that will

0:28:46.360 --> 0:28:51.120
<v Speaker 3>happen in my lifetime. So in addition to electronic recording,

0:28:51.600 --> 0:28:54.440
<v Speaker 3>one of the goals that Laura and I have is

0:28:54.480 --> 0:29:00.960
<v Speaker 3>to actually change the way in which police officers gate suspects.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that when people hear stories of grave injustice,

0:29:06.320 --> 0:29:10.160
<v Speaker 1>there's a human need to identify the bad guy, and

0:29:10.200 --> 0:29:12.760
<v Speaker 1>in some cases there are very clear bad guys. Police

0:29:12.800 --> 0:29:16.840
<v Speaker 1>have physically abused suspects, police have tortured suspects, But in

0:29:16.840 --> 0:29:20.600
<v Speaker 1>some cases police officers are following training that they don't

0:29:20.640 --> 0:29:22.719
<v Speaker 1>know is problematic. That's where I see we can make

0:29:22.760 --> 0:29:25.720
<v Speaker 1>a lot of change. Many other countries have developed new

0:29:25.720 --> 0:29:28.800
<v Speaker 1>interrogation techniques that you don't have to use lies. You

0:29:28.840 --> 0:29:31.720
<v Speaker 1>don't have to use false promises. You certainly don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to use fact feeding.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the most exciting developments recently has been the

0:29:37.040 --> 0:29:41.760
<v Speaker 3>creation of these conviction integrity units in prosecutors' offices.

0:29:41.920 --> 0:29:45.680
<v Speaker 1>When prosecutors are interested in actually doing real justice instead

0:29:45.680 --> 0:29:48.560
<v Speaker 1>of just closing cases, everything changes.

0:29:49.720 --> 0:29:52.720
<v Speaker 3>One of the things that's always excited me about this

0:29:53.000 --> 0:29:58.360
<v Speaker 3>work is that we get to rewrite history. When we

0:29:58.520 --> 0:30:04.520
<v Speaker 3>exonerate somebody, we get to change their life narrative. That's

0:30:04.640 --> 0:30:07.760
<v Speaker 3>part of what we're trying to do with this podcast

0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:14.240
<v Speaker 3>is not only tell these stories, but change the legacies

0:30:14.560 --> 0:30:16.960
<v Speaker 3>of the people who falsely confessed.

0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:20.080
<v Speaker 1>You're taking this false story that they've told about themselves

0:30:20.280 --> 0:30:22.400
<v Speaker 1>and you have to change it to a true story,

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<v Speaker 1>a story of innocence.

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<v Speaker 3>In the wake of making a murderer, which certainly put

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<v Speaker 3>both Laura and I on the map in a way

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<v Speaker 3>that no other television show or radio show or victory

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<v Speaker 3>in court had done. I felt like we had an

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<v Speaker 3>obligation to speak out on these issues that we care

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<v Speaker 3>so deeply about. I guess I was channeling Arthur Miller.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I could see Donald Connery saying I knew

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<v Speaker 3>Arthur Miller. You're no Arthur Miller, but we had the

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<v Speaker 3>opportunity to tell these stories, and I think we as

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<v Speaker 3>lawyers have an obligation to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you don't have to be a lawyer to

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<v Speaker 1>see the injustice here. You just have to be someone

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<v Speaker 1>with a conscience. These are stories of great tragedy. They

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<v Speaker 1>grip people, these stories unsettle people, and they move people

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<v Speaker 1>to make change. This is a movement that draws from

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<v Speaker 1>all walks of life, from ordinary folks who want to

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<v Speaker 1>channel their outrage into action, to those with a powerful

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<v Speaker 1>public platform, artists, musicians, writers, actors. We saw this in

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<v Speaker 1>the Peter Riley case with Arthur Miller. We saw it

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<v Speaker 1>in the West Memphis three case with Peter Jackson, Johnny Depp,

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<v Speaker 1>Eddie Vetter, Natalie Mains, and we see it today with

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<v Speaker 1>Brendan Dacy's case and all the people who are rallying

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<v Speaker 1>around him. These kinds of movements built on real people.

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<v Speaker 1>They're unstoppable, and we're not going to stop until we

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<v Speaker 1>can bring Brendon Dacy on this podcast as a free man.

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