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Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it is Wednesday, December seventeenth, at breaking update

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Speaker 1: about the Brown University shooting. Police are now not looking

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Speaker 1: for one, but two people, but only one of them

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Speaker 1: is involved in the shooting. We'll explain, all right, So

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Speaker 1: welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Ropes. We

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Speaker 1: just watched a press conference that was you know what,

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Speaker 1: We don't live in Providence and this made us uncomfortable.

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Speaker 1: They are really have to be unnerved there now. But yes,

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Speaker 1: police are looking for somebody who might have talked to

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Speaker 1: the somebody they ultimately want to arrest.

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Speaker 2: Yes, this news conference came after we actually were walking

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Speaker 2: by the TV and saw, I don't know if we

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Speaker 2: want to call out the network with one of the

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Speaker 2: most hilarious I say hilarious because it seemed nonsensical and

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Speaker 2: got from the actual press conference itself.

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Speaker 3: I know you took a picture of it, yep.

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Speaker 1: Because we've been in this business a long time and

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Speaker 1: I've never quite seen anything like this. And it said

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Speaker 1: police's police search for person who may have crossed paths

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Speaker 1: with person of interest I have not seen that before,

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Speaker 1: and that is what we're talking about, folks in sweetheart,

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Speaker 1: this gives us sorry. I threw in sweetheart for some reason.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. This is not where we are, but talking

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Speaker 1: to you here in our home and recording, I guess

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Speaker 1: I got a little comfortable what I'm saying. This says

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Speaker 2: It's telling in that it seems as though they have

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Speaker 2: nothing and they're desperate to even find somebody who crossed

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Speaker 2: paths with their person of interest. And so they actually

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Speaker 2: have this guy's face up. They zoomed in on his face.

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Speaker 2: They had him on several screens. They also had to

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Speaker 2: tell people please don't go by what you're seeing on

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Speaker 2: social media because people are making up fake hey I,

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Speaker 2: versions of persons of interest of people and faces. So

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Speaker 2: it's super confusing. So important, Yeah, and they want the

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Speaker 2: public's help. They need the public's help, and so they're

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Speaker 2: asking people to take a look at this photo.

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Speaker 3: Maybe the person recognizes himself.

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Speaker 2: Maybe someone says, hey, that's my brother, my boyfriend, my son, whatever,

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Speaker 2: so that they can talk to him to see if

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Speaker 2: he remembers anything distinguishing about the person of interest. They

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Speaker 2: think he may have even had a small conversation with

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Speaker 2: the person of interest. They don't know, but it's it's

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Speaker 2: at that point now where they're begging to find somebody

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Speaker 1: The shooter may be the most wanted man in America

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Speaker 1: right now. This other person might be the second most wanted,

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Speaker 1: not for a crime. Let's be clear here. They do

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Speaker 1: not believe this other person is any way connected to

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Speaker 1: the shooting, at least that's what they're telling us right now.

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Speaker 1: But they say there is some interaction that they belie

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Speaker 1: took place between the shooter and this person to where

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Speaker 1: they're putting out this alert robes. I've never quite seen

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Speaker 1: anything like this. They focused more in this press conference

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Speaker 2: They don't have any information on the shooter. The shooter

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Speaker 2: was wearing all black mask. The shooter had a mask

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Speaker 2: So they've been forced to say he's stocky, he has

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Speaker 2: a strange walking gait. But other than that, that depicts

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Speaker 2: what so many people that there's no way you can

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Speaker 2: clear in this press conference that they're desperate. This is

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Speaker 2: day five, This is the fifth day of the manhunt

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Speaker 2: in two persons of interest and released them. They errant

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Speaker 2: saying what else can we do?

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Speaker 1: And every investigator, an analyst you will see on TV

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Speaker 1: of the most chilling things I've still heard in this investigation.

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Speaker 1: We don't know if he's left the state, We don't

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Speaker 1: They have the picture up there, which you can't tell

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Speaker 2: Obviously, he looks like any other guy, brown hair, you

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Speaker 2: But obviously if that's someone who you know or who

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Speaker 2: day five. There's a reason why that show, that investigative

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Speaker 2: show I think it's on CBS, is called forty eight

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Speaker 2: We're on day five, they're asking for help to recognize

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Speaker 1: And the other thing, they're desperate and asking for the

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Speaker 1: public's help. Now, they put out some other video that

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Speaker 1: another telling piece here, they're asking people in a particular area.

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Speaker 2: It was a press conference of asking for help, yes,

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Speaker 2: and then explaining that they don't know anything. I mean,

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Speaker 2: they weren't even a position to say whether or not

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Speaker 3: He has a different gun. Whatever they were, but it.

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Speaker 2: Was it almost became it was you just thought, these

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Speaker 1: And again that's what that's an important investigative tool, is

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Speaker 1: then well we'll see what happens. But robes these high,

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Speaker 1: We don't know who this guy was or what the

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Speaker 2: You can't see that, can't say that at all. You

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Speaker 2: don't even know why he walked into that. They know

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Speaker 2: he was there for a while now, casing out the campus,

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Speaker 2: trying to figure out how, when, where, and who he

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Speaker 3: They literally have no idea.

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Speaker 2: Now it's interesting with all of that non information, you

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Speaker 1: But this is the guy who's been very frustrated, yes,

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Speaker 2: And the problem is the misinformation that was released immediately

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Speaker 2: To please not let fear cripple this community.

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Speaker 1: What happened how you said that's sending their kids to school.

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Speaker 1: You talk about community, that the local community. What if

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Speaker 2: There's absolutely no way I would because I'm actually I'm

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Speaker 3: Absolutely not.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I didn't think about that. And again, that seems

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Speaker 1: thirty three hours.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the fifth day.

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Speaker 1: That was a day and a half, Todd, And that felt.

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Speaker 1: Somebody was in custody and then got released. This kind

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Speaker 1: Breaking developments today in the Brown University shooting. That breaking

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Speaker 2: They're looking for anything to point them in the direction

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Speaker 2: They keep telling and you just described most men in America.

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Speaker 3: We did our job. You got to be right, You

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Speaker 1: When you say it like that. And this isn't us

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Speaker 2: And if you, if you, if you ratchet up the

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Speaker 1: The one positive update we saved here for the end

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Speaker 2: so we appreciate you for listening.

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Speaker 3: I Ami Robot alongside TJ. Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.