Speaker 1: Hello, Social Sluice Internet detectives. We never decided on a
Speaker 1: name for you guys. Sorry, everyone, this is who I
Speaker 1: am now, Welcome back to Real Time Crime. I'm Lely Lamar,
Speaker 1: one of your hosts, and I have with me my
Speaker 1: wonderful co host, Teddy Melling Camp coming in a hilarious second.
Speaker 1: After I say co host that you don't respond and
Speaker 1: I'm like, is someone else? It's because every time I'm
Speaker 1: so shocked at like your overall voice change when you
Speaker 1: do the entrance, fully ready to answer because I'm completely
Speaker 1: and but also right now I'm currently trying to figure
Speaker 1: out because you have a different background. If you're at
Speaker 1: a dude's house or where are you? That would be
Speaker 1: pretty sweet if I brought my microphone to a dude's house,
Speaker 1: because that would mean that we were hilarious, hilarious. The
Speaker 1: real crime is that I did not hook up with
Speaker 1: anyone last night. I'm at an Airbnb in Miami, and
Speaker 1: I would say this is the Hodelsis of Miami. I
Speaker 1: just want to make sure no one heard me. Um
Speaker 1: is very scary here. I'm about to screen share with
Speaker 1: everyone and hopefully they'll be able to show you this clip. Um,
Speaker 1: it is the truly disturbing what I have found here. Oh,
Speaker 1: sharing my screen is this very intimate moment for everyone.
Speaker 1: I feel frightened. What if your text messages come up?
Speaker 1: Look at all that other stuff? Leave me alone? You guys,
Speaker 1: this is literally outside my airbnb. This is this is
Speaker 1: the hallway. Are the twins from the Shining Gunna pop
Speaker 1: up along and play the elevator game? Is there an elevator?
Speaker 1: Do you just take? There's a the old staircase. I've
Speaker 1: already thought about this a million times. You know there's
Speaker 1: a dumb waiter. They just shoved me in and then
Speaker 1: hold on. Before we go any further, give us the
Speaker 1: share your location or something, because this doesn't look like
Speaker 1: it's gonna end well, and we want to know. We
Speaker 1: want to track you better. Guys, You're gonna be real
Speaker 1: excited because I'm about to transition better than we were
Speaker 1: able to track Brian Loundry and hide up. Okay, if
Speaker 1: you're gonna get killed, Leah, can you get killed on
Speaker 1: where there's already a blood stain on the carpet there,
Speaker 1: so we don't have to don't have to clean two places.
Speaker 1: I'm you know they're not going Yeah, they're gonna leave
Speaker 1: my blood there, but I will put it on top
Speaker 1: of another person's blood so that they can confuse the
Speaker 1: two crimes together and then put an innocent person in jail. Well, look,
Speaker 1: you know, just like the justice system, just like weaving
Speaker 1: in all of our hot topics. You also thank you
Speaker 1: to no One for bringing up my spray tan. We
Speaker 1: already saw it on the ram. Do you need double
Speaker 1: I hearted it um. I archived that photo because it
Speaker 1: was a little too sexy. And at the sunscreen sponsor,
Speaker 1: I think did already look at the photo that's number one,
Speaker 1: number two, Dimitria. We actually look like twins right now,
Speaker 1: don't get met and I look like we look like twins.
Speaker 1: We're both in Elizabeth Holmes later Turtle next to honor Her.
Speaker 1: I find it a little bit of setting that you
Speaker 1: guys didn't let me know that I was supposed to
Speaker 1: wear the turtleneck. Granted, not that I would because I
Speaker 1: can't because it's not flattering from my next the fact
Speaker 1: that you said next plural, and ever since all these well,
Speaker 1: because we are going to be talking about the Kim
Speaker 1: Kardashian robbery, ever since all have been going on. My
Speaker 1: husband installed a million more security cameras into our house.
Speaker 1: And I've got to tell you, there's nothing more upsetting
Speaker 1: than seeing yourself walk outside of your front door and
Speaker 1: not for the photo, and then have the photos sent
Speaker 1: to you. I'm like, shouldn't there be something that knows
Speaker 1: that it's me, so doesn't send me and my husband
Speaker 1: the photo every day? Yesterday I honestly had sixty four
Speaker 1: next and I'm like, I can't even explain to you
Speaker 1: the picture. I if I could show it to you,
Speaker 1: I would, And then if only there was a way
Speaker 1: to show someone a picture actually you know what I can.
Speaker 1: But we all know that the camera ads ten pounds.
Speaker 1: It's not guys, it's not it's not about weight, guys.
Speaker 1: It's about the amount of necks that I had in
Speaker 1: this photo. And you know, it's just let's see what
Speaker 1: we can do. I don't want to neck teddy. Guys,
Speaker 1: y'all are laughing until this photo gets sent to your
Speaker 1: husband and you're like trying to keep it. Second, oh
Speaker 1: my god, well first I have to find a husband. Yes,
Speaker 1: things can be worse dead, Thanks, okay, thank you, Okay,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, that photo. Okay, first,
Speaker 1: of all, hilarious. Second of all, it looks like a
Speaker 1: version of you from like like there's this we you're
Speaker 1: like it looks like a photo from the past. Well,
Speaker 1: it's a photo from the present. And it was yesterday
Speaker 1: and then today another photo was taken and my hair
Speaker 1: is covering my next and my husband goes, I saw
Speaker 1: you covered your next up today. What is gonna have
Speaker 1: to send it to us? But guys, I know you
Speaker 1: know it's real. If my husband can't love me and
Speaker 1: all my next, he doesn't deserve me yet. If if
Speaker 1: you can't handle me in my tent next, you don't
Speaker 1: deserve me at my one neck, don't get me at
Speaker 1: any next. If you don't you feel like you're writing
Speaker 1: your vows right now. This is fantastic. I mean this,
Speaker 1: this is love. Okay, guys, I'm over talking about Brian Laundry,
Speaker 1: but we do have to cover the update. He was
Speaker 1: only he was only useful to us alive. I thought
Speaker 1: you were gonna say you're over talking about me because
Speaker 1: I was ready to keep going. I know you were,
Speaker 1: but I'm over both, so we have to continue on
Speaker 1: through the actual episode. Brian Laundry died by suicide from
Speaker 1: a gunshot wound to ahead. An attorney from Brian Loundry
Speaker 1: family told CNN Tuesday, Christ and ROBERTA. Laundry have been
Speaker 1: informed that the cause of death was a gunshot wound. Okay,
Speaker 1: also shocker, the Laundries release their guns and one's missing.
Speaker 1: We think that Brian's parents should be investigated and possibly
Speaker 1: charged for this because it really seems to me like
Speaker 1: they've been very silent. They went on a trip with him,
Speaker 1: they knew his mental space, like allegedly, this seems like
Speaker 1: of course they knew what was going to happen. Does
Speaker 1: a bear ship in the woods. I could have done
Speaker 1: without that. I already under the weather. I'm sorry. All
Speaker 1: I'm saying is, yes, we've been saying this from day one.
Speaker 1: They need they need to this. They've been in on
Speaker 1: this the whole time. I think it's pretty clear they
Speaker 1: covered up his escape somehow, they helped him escape somehow.
Speaker 1: The fact that there was surveillance and they somehow missed
Speaker 1: him slipping out and can confused him with his mom
Speaker 1: outside these I just don't buy any of this. I
Speaker 1: don't buy a single word people have said. Do you
Speaker 1: think the fact that he killed himself proves that he's guilty,
Speaker 1: and no, every single move he and his family did
Speaker 1: proves that he was guilty in my opinion. Also, I
Speaker 1: love how they're like, oh, now we'll never know how
Speaker 1: Gabby died. No, we know, what do you mean? Of
Speaker 1: course we know, we don't we haven't heard from his mouth,
Speaker 1: which I think is what everybody was hoping he was
Speaker 1: going to have this like big revelation. But obviously this
Speaker 1: was not a person that had any control like empathy, love,
Speaker 1: kindness about who he was and his relationship with Gabby.
Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, once he realized
Speaker 1: he couldn't get away with it, I would assume that
Speaker 1: means that's why he took his life. I think so too,
Speaker 1: and I think he did it so that he could
Speaker 1: go down without the title of official murderer. Now it's
Speaker 1: just quote unquote unsolved, but I think we know what happened.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sorry, but unless they can prove that
Speaker 1: another person strangled Gabby, like I just, I just refused
Speaker 1: to believe it was anyone else, especially with their physical
Speaker 1: altercations and and how long was the gun missing? Because
Speaker 1: they still haven't solved the murder of the other two
Speaker 1: women in Moab and they were shot to death by gun.
Speaker 1: I know there's so many How long was the gun missing?
Speaker 1: Did they have it the whole trip? Why are they
Speaker 1: not connecting the two cases? And if they say they
Speaker 1: know that the two cases aren't connected, how do they
Speaker 1: know that two cases aren't connected? And why won't they
Speaker 1: release information? What if they said, listen, mom, dad laundry,
Speaker 1: you're not heap of ship. We're gonna put you. You know,
Speaker 1: you could go to jail, tell us everything you know,
Speaker 1: and that will lessen your sentence. Possibly they'll give it
Speaker 1: for that. I think berd Now I was gonna say
Speaker 1: not with that lawyer, he's not going to give it,
Speaker 1: I mean, any sound advice. At this point, none of
Speaker 1: this has made sense from the jump, and speaking of
Speaker 1: not telling us anything and leaving us in the dark,
Speaker 1: can I segue into Heidi Plank? You took my segue?
Speaker 1: You know that's my favorite thing. Don't plenty of segway
Speaker 1: to go around? Oh my god, we didn't introduce Dmitri.
Speaker 1: S sometimes Dmitri And this is how it should always be.
Speaker 1: Just to be clear, I'm always Dmitri, but I'm always
Speaker 1: sometimes allowed to speak. Yeah, but we like to call
Speaker 1: you sometimes, Dmitri. I appreciate that. I have to say
Speaker 1: last night I spent a lot of hours trying to
Speaker 1: understand what happened to Heidi Pluck. I really for a
Speaker 1: little bit of backstory. We talked about this case a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. She left abruptly from one of
Speaker 1: her sons football game or sporting event games, and she
Speaker 1: looked agitated. Her ex husband said she looked agitated. She
Speaker 1: was dating somebody, but that person was out of town.
Speaker 1: And they randomly found her dog in an apartment building
Speaker 1: in downtown Los Angeles, and then the that apartment building
Speaker 1: would not let them originally do a search for her,
Speaker 1: and the boyfriend thought that she ghosted him because of
Speaker 1: an argument they had, which is really what happened. She's
Speaker 1: missing and now they just had to They're searching a
Speaker 1: landfill north of Los Angeles where they believe her remains
Speaker 1: to be. Then I feel like there's some information missing.
Speaker 1: She disappeared, they found her dog, they wouldn't let him
Speaker 1: in the building, and now we're searching a landfill somewhere else.
Speaker 1: So this has been over two weeks. I have Google
Speaker 1: Old literally every day, and there was one video of
Speaker 1: her walking her dog that they released, but they did
Speaker 1: not release any tapes from the apartment complex. They didn't
Speaker 1: release anything, Okay, And I think, can I just make
Speaker 1: a weird jump in a conclusion here, I think that
Speaker 1: the police are terrified of every case becoming like a
Speaker 1: Gabby Potito case and the Internet hopping on their cases
Speaker 1: and not letting them do their jobs, or people getting
Speaker 1: taken down for not doing not performing well. Like, think
Speaker 1: about how much we think that the police completely botched
Speaker 1: the Gabby Potito Brandon laundry case. Yeah, but this is
Speaker 1: a completely different, all right location. I would understand this
Speaker 1: is all the same police department, but this is a
Speaker 1: completely different area. Left us out for so long, and
Speaker 1: it seems kind of odd that they would do that.
Speaker 1: They didn't tell us any information, and the l A
Speaker 1: p D said in a statement that it appears that
Speaker 1: Plank died. It appears that she died and an apartment
Speaker 1: building in downtown l A in a quote unquote incident,
Speaker 1: and forensic evidence found at that building led to a
Speaker 1: landfill search. I'm sorry if she's in a landfill. It
Speaker 1: wasn't an incident. That's a murder. It is a murder.
Speaker 1: What are they saying by incident? Like where my head
Speaker 1: went by that phrasing was like maybe there was some
Speaker 1: sort of domestic type abuse situation, like maybe she was
Speaker 1: having a relationship with somebody in that part. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is all. I've completely made this up. I have
Speaker 1: absolutely no idea. I'm thinking that some relationship she was
Speaker 1: having with somebody in this apartment building and things went
Speaker 1: I hear that financial fraud and that. But here's where
Speaker 1: it's confusing to me. The man who she worked for,
Speaker 1: who she was having the issues with, who was getting
Speaker 1: in trouble for financial fraud, he was caught leaving like
Speaker 1: donuts or something at her doorstep after she's already been missing.
Speaker 1: So either that's him just covering his basis and trying
Speaker 1: to look innocent, or they had that maybe they were
Speaker 1: having a relationship allegedly. Who knows why they were in
Speaker 1: that apartment building. Maybe that's where they were shedding, shredding
Speaker 1: all the files. We don't know. But the point is
Speaker 1: they're not giving us any information. And there is a
Speaker 1: little boy that has no idea what happened to his mother.
Speaker 1: I hear you, But if it was an accident and
Speaker 1: someone didn't mean to murder her. They're not going to
Speaker 1: go then dump her body in the landfill, right, But
Speaker 1: is an incident different than accident? But to me, incident
Speaker 1: also downplays it. I'm just like, it's a murder. She
Speaker 1: was murdered. She may not have been murdered at the
Speaker 1: apartment building, is what they're saying. The incident then caused
Speaker 1: the murder later at the landfill in the car. Who knows,
Speaker 1: but maybe maybe the tune in next week for Leah
Speaker 1: and Teddy get into a semantics battle, and I think
Speaker 1: that's that's happening this week. I think we're going, oh, um, okay,
Speaker 1: you're right. Either way, we don't know. But I am
Speaker 1: upset that her son has no additional information and now
Speaker 1: that it's just sad. I would have also liked to
Speaker 1: have known what the text messages were that she received
Speaker 1: that made her just abruptly leave. I think that when
Speaker 1: they find her body, they will probably disclose more information. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when they find her body and or what they find
Speaker 1: more details on how this happened. But I want to
Speaker 1: know who lives in that apartment building. I want to
Speaker 1: know why and why is that apartment building so protected?
Speaker 1: You know, like, why were they? We can go down
Speaker 1: all the different rabbits know, but I'm like, it's a
Speaker 1: murder case. You're not going to let the police in
Speaker 1: to check the tapes? Wow, maybe they knew something. I
Speaker 1: just also would like to report a crime that just occurred.
Speaker 1: I received a text message from a man I went
Speaker 1: on a date with over two months ago, who never
Speaker 1: took me on a second date and then just said
Speaker 1: just saying, hey, hope you're well lady, Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: At eleven oh one am that kind of text message?
Speaker 1: What are you doing? I have zero interest in following
Speaker 1: up on that. And also I just just a little
Speaker 1: advice to everyone. We know when you've gone through a
Speaker 1: breakup with someone else, So the circle back is just
Speaker 1: like it's not really a compliment. And if you are
Speaker 1: going to circle back, hold yourself accountable and say like, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: I screwed up by not reaching out to you after
Speaker 1: our first date. I've been thinking about you and I
Speaker 1: actually would like to take you out on a date again.
Speaker 1: Would you be interested, like being like, have some balls?
Speaker 1: Don't just half acid like that. Let's call this to
Speaker 1: what this is. Somebody was scrolling through Instagram and saw
Speaker 1: your down because I think this is why I took
Speaker 1: it down. This is the real crime. I think that
Speaker 1: I get a lot of hate when I post anything
Speaker 1: that's sexy on my page because it's normally just comedy
Speaker 1: and turtlenecks, and people have a hard time comprehending it.
Speaker 1: And then I just get a lot of dams from
Speaker 1: dudes being like, oh I would, I would, I'd give whatever,
Speaker 1: you know, just a whole bunch of dude stuff sliding
Speaker 1: it in. And I'm like, you know, I don't really
Speaker 1: want this kind of attention, but don't I. But I
Speaker 1: can tell you this. I have a following of it's
Speaker 1: a six percent men on my Instagram. They're not They're
Speaker 1: not sliding into my d M. So, no matter how
Speaker 1: sexual the photos are, just saying, well, you're married, I
Speaker 1: get it, but I just you know, you're in a
Speaker 1: loving relationship. What is that? Like, Teddy, we'll get that in.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to talk about that. So public service.
Speaker 1: If you're going to slide into them, compliment her turtlenexska,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna slide into sight, even though she's asked
Speaker 1: us five times already since we started the pod today.
Speaker 1: If we noticed her spray just thought you would notice
Speaker 1: it's I honestly think me spray tanning is the equivalent
Speaker 1: of you going brunett. I know that being said, I
Speaker 1: probably I might go back blond soon. Thank you. We'll
Speaker 1: talk about this later after the break. Okay, Bye, I
Speaker 1: mean not by just buy it for right now see
Speaker 1: in a second. Bye for now. All right, guys, we're
Speaker 1: back your time. Crime you can talk about Kevin Strickland.
Speaker 1: This is so heartbreaking to me. Leah, you your voice
Speaker 1: and give us the rundown. Kevin Strickland comes home after
Speaker 1: forty three years behind bars for a crime he didn't commit.
Speaker 1: I'm a little sick. I'm sorry if it was a
Speaker 1: weird um, I'm it's okay, Okay, I'm gonna keep going. Okay,
Speaker 1: just so everyone is clear, because there are some people
Speaker 1: who might not know about the case. I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: continue on here. Cynthia Douglas didn't recognize the man holding
Speaker 1: the shotgun the night her boyfriend and best friend were murdered.
Speaker 1: It was around seven thirty pm on a Tuesday evening
Speaker 1: when four men entered Larry Ingram's bungalow in Kansas City, Missouri,
Speaker 1: where Douglas was hanging out with Ingram, her best friend
Speaker 1: Sherry Black, and her boyfriend Jack Walker. Douglas was the
Speaker 1: only one to survive what would later be described as
Speaker 1: an execution style attack. She told police she recognized two
Speaker 1: of the assailants right away, Vincent Bell and kilm Atkins,
Speaker 1: but the other two were a mystery. One was wearing
Speaker 1: something like a sack over his head, the other, the
Speaker 1: man holding the shotgun, was short with some facial hair.
Speaker 1: The next day, however, Douglas appears to change her mind.
Speaker 1: She told the cops she thought the man with the
Speaker 1: shotgun might be eighteen year old Kevin Strickland, and acquaintance
Speaker 1: of hers. She figured it out after describing the unknown
Speaker 1: assailants to her sister's boyfriend. You know, he told her
Speaker 1: the shirt one sounded like it could be Strickland, who
Speaker 1: lived two houses down from Bell, so to summarize, and
Speaker 1: it wasn't until she actually passed away. And he's now
Speaker 1: been in prison for, you know, over forty years. That
Speaker 1: the sorry I'm blanking guys, what is it called that?
Speaker 1: The uh? Well, but also yeah, no, but it's a
Speaker 1: fund that that reopened the case. Well, just before we
Speaker 1: go there, Incence Project, the Innocence Project. But before we
Speaker 1: go there, Douglas realized she was wrong after the conviction
Speaker 1: conviction and tried to get to overturn it, right. She
Speaker 1: tried for so many years, and no one was able
Speaker 1: to do it until she actually passed away, and then
Speaker 1: the Innocence Project started investigating the case. It's it's so
Speaker 1: crazy to think that someone could say, oh, no, I
Speaker 1: made a mistake about convicting someone as a murderer and
Speaker 1: then have no one believe her. Right, they believe her
Speaker 1: for the first part, and she says I made a mistake,
Speaker 1: like well, we don't need to hear about that. Then
Speaker 1: they don't want to hear about anymore because they don't
Speaker 1: want to have to do the work of, you know,
Speaker 1: reinvestigating figuring out who did it. But I mean not
Speaker 1: that this makes up for anything. But even though he
Speaker 1: was released and given nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing from
Speaker 1: the state, he would receive one point four million from
Speaker 1: a go fund me set up by the Missouri Innocence Project.
Speaker 1: And you made an article where he's like so excited
Speaker 1: to like go and buy a tooth, but like little
Speaker 1: small things and and started his life to his life
Speaker 1: because I mean, he went into eighteen years old for
Speaker 1: a crime he did not commit. It's insane. To me.
Speaker 1: First of all, one point four million is not enough.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go out there and say that if
Speaker 1: you've been in jail for forty three years for a
Speaker 1: murder you didn't commit, one point four million is abs
Speaker 1: I mean, money can't buy time, but it does help.
Speaker 1: But I do think that that's not enough. A B.
Speaker 1: What I thought was interesting was the go fund me
Speaker 1: was mostly small donations, which means it was a lot
Speaker 1: of people who couldn't afford a lot but cared, and
Speaker 1: and that I think is really unique and interesting, and
Speaker 1: I mean I feel so bad for him. I mean.
Speaker 1: The other reason is that a lot of states give
Speaker 1: money for wrongful conviction. However, Missouri only gives money to
Speaker 1: people exonerated by DNA evidence, and since there was no
Speaker 1: DNA in his case, I guess it was a technicality,
Speaker 1: but there was any to convict either, which they now
Speaker 1: it's just so fresh training because it's a technicality. That
Speaker 1: but more than I mean, it is enough in the
Speaker 1: fact that more than thousand people donate it, So that
Speaker 1: is like incredible that so many beautiful but heartbreaking that
Speaker 1: because of a technicality wasn't able to be more from
Speaker 1: the state. I wonder if there'll be an ongoing fund
Speaker 1: for him. There should be, There should be, I mean,
Speaker 1: there should be a lot of There should be a
Speaker 1: lot of things for the for him. But I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting. This is It's like, how do
Speaker 1: you how do we think this could be prevented in
Speaker 1: the future. I mean, I think there has to be, uh,
Speaker 1: somebody that because after something terrible happens to your best
Speaker 1: friend and your boyfriend, you have to understand that you
Speaker 1: are going through extreme trauma and grief and heartbreak and
Speaker 1: all of these additional things. And if you're only getting
Speaker 1: interrogated and there isn't some sort of therapy and real
Speaker 1: conversations had about the grief, it's heart It's easy to
Speaker 1: make a decision that's incorrect. Like I think, people so
Speaker 1: badly when something terrible happens, so badly want an answer
Speaker 1: that they're going to give the wrong answer just to
Speaker 1: hope for peace. But then they realized that peace isn't
Speaker 1: coming because now they've made it worse. That's what happened
Speaker 1: in the Amanda Knox case too. I mean they were
Speaker 1: trying to force conclusions and force answers on that case,
Speaker 1: and so the Italian government just kept trying to make
Speaker 1: her blame people or give testimonies that weren't real, so
Speaker 1: that they just had answers. I mean, this happens a lot.
Speaker 1: This happens a lot, and it's such a shame. I mean,
Speaker 1: do we think that there should be repercussions for cases
Speaker 1: like these? Like Who's responsible? I think these are the
Speaker 1: cases that need to be really spoken about. So oftentimes
Speaker 1: we'll talk about not us in general, but like cases
Speaker 1: are shared so much, but like this one is one
Speaker 1: that like should be very eye opening to so many people.
Speaker 1: And to say, wow, if I'm going to say it
Speaker 1: was somebody, I really need to know, I really need
Speaker 1: to know in my heart that what I'm saying is correct,
Speaker 1: because this man lost his entire life over something he
Speaker 1: didn't do wrong. But on a more positive note, oh,
Speaker 1: I feel a teddy. Ahmad Arebrey's mother woke up Thursday
Speaker 1: with a new very important blessing on Thanks to Giving Day,
Speaker 1: but there will be an empty chair at her family celebration.
Speaker 1: So I think that a lot of people have heard
Speaker 1: about this story and we've all been following it, and um,
Speaker 1: but all three men that were that killed Ahmed are
Speaker 1: Very were convicted of murder and he was just on
Speaker 1: the jog and then he was cornered and killed. And
Speaker 1: I I I believe that they're also be standing trial
Speaker 1: for hate crime as well, and they'll all face life
Speaker 1: in prison. Yes, and federal hate crimes trial is scheduled
Speaker 1: for February, so, I mean, I don't they're already scheduled
Speaker 1: to life in prison. But you know, this has been
Speaker 1: such a heartbreaking case. I mean, all of them are.
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm just so glad that justice was
Speaker 1: received on this case. I mean, nothing can replace a
Speaker 1: life lost whatsoever. But I hope that this brings a
Speaker 1: little bit of peace to his family. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know what else to say about that. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: so I mean, it's so unspeakably sad. But I'm relieved
Speaker 1: that that all three men are going to prison for life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm taking action. Well, speaking of prison for life, Jesus Christ,
Speaker 1: you know, I have to do it. Guys. It's like
Speaker 1: we're moving right through we are. But also speaking of
Speaker 1: hate crimes, what Jesse Small. I'm gonna say his name wrong, guys.
Speaker 1: We can't put this in, but somebody say it correctly
Speaker 1: for me. Jesse Jesse Yeah, but last okay, take that out. Okay,
Speaker 1: But speaking of hate crimes, what Jesse Smollett's ended up
Speaker 1: doing to the l g B t Q community by
Speaker 1: people now assuming that actual victims are lying about attacks
Speaker 1: is heartbreaking. And his trial is starting this week. Do
Speaker 1: you guys want to give like a little I feel
Speaker 1: like everybody knows about this case. But okay, So just
Speaker 1: is an actor on Empire, and its started with him
Speaker 1: reporting that he received a threatening letter that was sent
Speaker 1: to the Fox studio where they were filming Empire, that
Speaker 1: had threatening language and it was laced with a powdery
Speaker 1: substance which investigators later believed was likely Highland l O
Speaker 1: l SO cod So. Then later around two am, maybe
Speaker 1: like a week later, near his apartment in Chicago, two
Speaker 1: masked assailants poured a quote unquote unknown chemical substance on him,
Speaker 1: possibly Bleach, wrapped a rope around his neck and kept
Speaker 1: yelling at him, Maga country, Maga country, which, for those
Speaker 1: of you who are unfamiliar, make America great again, which
Speaker 1: is a president Donald Trump slogan, you have to be
Speaker 1: living under a rock to not know that. But look,
Speaker 1: I don't judge. There are a lot of things that
Speaker 1: I do that are judge worthy. I actually think, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's pretty much what this podcast is. Yeah, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: judging you if you don't know what Maggi is. Like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, it's like, have you even watched
Speaker 1: from one episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm? All right? So,
Speaker 1: so the Chicago police tweeted, I love that we know
Speaker 1: what people are up to because of Twitter. I mean
Speaker 1: you do. I mean, we knew what the president was
Speaker 1: up to because of Twitter. I almost missed that, Like
Speaker 1: I kind of missed knowing it finds up too because
Speaker 1: he doesn't tweet about it. I'm good with. So. So
Speaker 1: the police tweet that they're seeking two persons of interest
Speaker 1: and they've got surveillance video of the scene and the
Speaker 1: alleged attack. Um. Jesse's very emotional about everything and and
Speaker 1: and I think what's interesting is that he keeps saying,
Speaker 1: I have made truthful statements. Oh yeah, I am working
Speaker 1: with authorities and have been factual and consistent on every level.
Speaker 1: When have you ever heard someone say I have been
Speaker 1: telling the truth, like something that happened, and this is
Speaker 1: the truth, like something that happened. I'm not leaving anything out.
Speaker 1: There are no lies here. It's like kill prior to
Speaker 1: him being investigated for lying. Um m hmm. That I think.
Speaker 1: I think that that was actually uh. I don't know
Speaker 1: if the investigation had. I don't know if the investigation
Speaker 1: had taken a turn yet. But the part that I
Speaker 1: find so confusing is the why. Well, apparently yeah, it's
Speaker 1: because he didn't think he was He got enough attention
Speaker 1: for the letter and it bought there him. So he
Speaker 1: planned this attack with these two men and they were brothers,
Speaker 1: and he was paid and they all helped him orchestrate
Speaker 1: and stage the crime. They bought the rope um the
Speaker 1: you know, a hardware store, saying he didn't want to
Speaker 1: even call the police. They found out that they had
Speaker 1: paid He had paid these guys, but then he said
Speaker 1: he had actually paid them because they were training and
Speaker 1: helping him the nutrition. It was a separate thing. But
Speaker 1: also the police showed up and he was still in
Speaker 1: a news essentially with a rope around his neck, and
Speaker 1: they were taping in a video and He's like, no, no,
Speaker 1: don't tape it. Turn the cameras off. And it's interesting
Speaker 1: because essentially what they found through taxs and messages it
Speaker 1: was that they felt it was a publicity stunt to
Speaker 1: promote his career and already very polished. That's what don't get.
Speaker 1: You're doing well, you're on a success, you want more,
Speaker 1: go yell at your crime. I think eliciting sympathy helps
Speaker 1: in some people's minds. I don't know. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is like when my ex sent me a photo of
Speaker 1: him in the hospital, like, were you really in the hospital?
Speaker 1: Are you just trying to get me to response? Did
Speaker 1: you just need attention? Did you respond? Yeah, of course.
Speaker 1: But but I know I'm going to jail um. But
Speaker 1: I just think, look, if you're this is the problem
Speaker 1: with this is that it makes people less likely to
Speaker 1: believe other people who actually are involved in a hate crime.
Speaker 1: And then I think he would probably get let off
Speaker 1: a lot easier than what's actually going to happen because
Speaker 1: he's doubling down on the lie. I have to say,
Speaker 1: this feels like a cry for help. If you were orchestrating,
Speaker 1: it's such a large, like an obvious think about think
Speaker 1: about how wrong this could go, which it did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you're willing to go to that length to get
Speaker 1: some sort of attention something is really wrong. And sure
Speaker 1: because this is happening for real to other people. So
Speaker 1: now you're drawing all this attention away from and making
Speaker 1: people got real crime, real real, real, real time. But
Speaker 1: I think I think that he must be super unhappy.
Speaker 1: There are some people who are just not happy with
Speaker 1: what they have and because of that, it forces them
Speaker 1: to act out. And this is a severe way of
Speaker 1: acting out that's so hurtful to many communities. And do
Speaker 1: you believe, like, if convicted, he should serve the entire sentence. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he like he's saying this is a home
Speaker 1: of a bit crime. He's saying this is a racist crime.
Speaker 1: He's hurting many communities that are marginalized. And I think
Speaker 1: that he shouldn't get to just get away with it
Speaker 1: because why would he just be able to get away
Speaker 1: with it. Why was it dropped in the first place?
Speaker 1: Was it dropped? Yeah, the initial charges were dropped. That's interesting,
Speaker 1: um for false crime? Because yeah, I'm like, I know
Speaker 1: that he's up for three years in prison, k fine,
Speaker 1: which to him, I'm sure is literally nothing. Um, it
Speaker 1: is when you won't work again. Yeah yeah, but for
Speaker 1: like a star actor. I mean, aren't you making twenty
Speaker 1: k week minimum? It's about what we make for this.
Speaker 1: Right before she first um well, at an emergency hearing
Speaker 1: in a Cook County courtroom in Illinois, all criminal charges
Speaker 1: against him were dropped. I don't know how to read.
Speaker 1: Thank you for doing that. I'm still learning. Yeah, so,
Speaker 1: I mean that's what's confusing to me is now here
Speaker 1: we are but the trial started. We're gonna have to
Speaker 1: touch back on this case as it continues on, after
Speaker 1: things play out, after they released more information. But the
Speaker 1: whole thing is very upsetting because obviously, you know, we
Speaker 1: don't need to rehash exactly what we just said, but
Speaker 1: you know where we stand on this. Now. We need
Speaker 1: to get to Leah's all time favorite person. We cannot
Speaker 1: not talk about Elizabeth Holmes. Wait, let's take a quick
Speaker 1: so sorry, we'll take a quick break. But when we
Speaker 1: come back, we're talking about kim Ka quickly. Uh sorry,
Speaker 1: not sorry, bye, and neither is Pete Davidson. Yeah. Hello,
Speaker 1: we're back, and I'm ready to talk about kim Kino
Speaker 1: and Teddy if we could check the attitude at the door.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Fine, go ahead and give the little recap
Speaker 1: on Kim k But I really want to get to
Speaker 1: live at home, so you just know we're going there.
Speaker 1: But we'll just breathe through this one. But I will say,
Speaker 1: how does Pete Davidson get every girl? Because he's he
Speaker 1: checks in, he checks, He's probably got a big dinger
Speaker 1: like all the things. Big dinger, I think is the answer.
Speaker 1: I think he's a nice, funny guy like I actually
Speaker 1: I see his appeal. Yeah, I mean I would I am.
Speaker 1: I mean obviously, without even having a conversation, I don't
Speaker 1: even care if he's a bad person. And you you
Speaker 1: said you're going to grow through this, not blow. I
Speaker 1: didn't make any promises. Okay. So if you guys remember
Speaker 1: in Kim Kardashian was robbed during Paris Fashion Week. So
Speaker 1: twelve people are now being charged in connection to the robbery,
Speaker 1: and this has been a five year investigation. Holy smokes.
Speaker 1: So she was visiting Paris for fashion week in October.
Speaker 1: Thieves broke into her hotel room and tied her up
Speaker 1: at gunpoint before locking her in the bathroom. First of all, hot,
Speaker 1: Second of all, I'm like oh no, they tied me up.
Speaker 1: Um you guys, can you guys cut that noise out
Speaker 1: of my head hitting the microphone? I can't. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: This just sounds like it's about to turn into the
Speaker 1: sequel of Ray j Um. I'm going to jail. Okay
Speaker 1: in a second. For I was like, you know, okay.
Speaker 1: So so then essentially what happens is all of her
Speaker 1: jewelry is stolen. Two diamond Cartier bracelets, a golden diamond
Speaker 1: Jacob necklace, Lauren Schwartz diamond earrings, a gold rolex, among
Speaker 1: many other items. Total to be ten million value, ten
Speaker 1: million big ones. I always ten minimum. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 1: just the cash I have on hand. So, she said
Speaker 1: that she managed to squeeze her hands out of the
Speaker 1: plastic ties by wriggling her hands so hot, and she
Speaker 1: said she went to the balcony and screamed for help
Speaker 1: to break free. Everyone is shaking their heads at me.
Speaker 1: That's fine. I feel like we're doing subtly. Hey, I
Speaker 1: feel like the story. You know, we can wrap this
Speaker 1: up in twenty seconds. It's not kim kay, it's about me.
Speaker 1: How would we realized that yet? Anyway? Anyway, uh So,
Speaker 1: the only thing that was recovered was a diamond and
Speaker 1: crusted crossed valued at thirty thousand. So pretty sure we're
Speaker 1: not happy at that being the only item we got back,
Speaker 1: but I'm sure Kim has insurance. So twelve people are
Speaker 1: going to be on trial soon for that. And that's that.
Speaker 1: I just really wanted to talk about how hot I
Speaker 1: thought that was. I did not think that was hot.
Speaker 1: It's frightening. I but also, don't travel with tin K.
Speaker 1: Post videos where you are it's I mean, not tin
Speaker 1: K ten million. That's where this is where our financial
Speaker 1: differences are showing. Me and Pink like, don't travel with
Speaker 1: tin K, and I'm like, don't travel with ten dollars um.
Speaker 1: But when you talk about it, you guys, they're both
Speaker 1: wearing black turtlenecks. Can we please talk about his beard
Speaker 1: gives the effect of a turtleneck. You may as well
Speaker 1: be wearing a turtleneck because and Teddy just has ten necks.
Speaker 1: I have ten nights leven with a turtle like I can't.
Speaker 1: I'm actually I'm quite upset with a turtleneck. The other night,
Speaker 1: I went to Kyle's holiday party and I wore a
Speaker 1: turtleneck and it started bugging me so much that I
Speaker 1: had to go in and use her eyebrow scissors and
Speaker 1: like cut the side because it was so tight on
Speaker 1: my own. Next, I was like off those of you
Speaker 1: that listened to a lot of news and don't know
Speaker 1: all the details of everyone's lives. She means her friend
Speaker 1: Kyle Richard's not Kyle Rittenhouse. Not true. Not yeah, sorry,
Speaker 1: sorry guys if you're not following me on the ground
Speaker 1: and don't know my every step. Um Elizabeth Holmes dropped
Speaker 1: out of Stanford at nineteen to start Therapness, a blood
Speaker 1: testing startup. She grew its value to nine billion billion,
Speaker 1: So guys, don't go to a Paris Fashion Week with
Speaker 1: nine billion dollars jewelry. Don't do that either. Later, technology
Speaker 1: flaws were exposed and their nos and Homes were charged
Speaker 1: with massive fraud. As she awaited trial, Homes reportedly found
Speaker 1: the time to get engaged, get married, and have a baby.
Speaker 1: Jury selection for holmes fraud trial began this past Tuesday,
Speaker 1: and she could face up to twenty years in prison.
Speaker 1: You guys, First off, the reason we're talking about the
Speaker 1: um turtlenecks so much is she was obsessed with Steve
Speaker 1: Jobs and so she wanted to kind of give that
Speaker 1: same allure where she wore the same thing every single day.
Speaker 1: I mean, granted, I wear an Allo track suit every
Speaker 1: single day, and I'm not trying to channel to Steve Jobs.
Speaker 1: It's just like who I am. I'm also trying to
Speaker 1: emulate Steve Jobs my own twelve black turtlenecks, not joking,
Speaker 1: short sleeved dresses, crop tops. Yeah, I mean, that's that's who.
Speaker 1: That's who Leah is. But this woman is it's fascinating. One.
Speaker 1: I know that my voice isn't pleasing to all ears
Speaker 1: her voice the sex level. I started watching the documentary
Speaker 1: yesterday and I had to take myself back because I
Speaker 1: had almost forgotten what her voice sounded like, Well, it's
Speaker 1: a fake voice. What why would you say it's a
Speaker 1: fake voice? I mean, I didn't realize Mira Sorvino was
Speaker 1: playing her. She did. She's like, yeah, it's Sarah nos
Speaker 1: Oh Tharaohns. And the beauty about her is everybody said
Speaker 1: that interviewed her, from like every Vanity Fair article to
Speaker 1: Forbes to all of them, is that when she was
Speaker 1: talking about anything other than their nos, she was like
Speaker 1: not really paying attention. She couldn't answer the questions, but theirness.
Speaker 1: It was like the script every single time, obviously because
Speaker 1: it was a fraud and she didn't know what she
Speaker 1: was doing and ultimately ends up blaming her. Do you
Speaker 1: call him the boyfriend? Call him the boyfriend? Ex president,
Speaker 1: the company president of her company who she met when
Speaker 1: she was younger, and she said that she was controlled
Speaker 1: and abused by him, Sonny, she was eighteen and he
Speaker 1: was thirty eight when they met. That is correct. However,
Speaker 1: in any of the video things that I saw, it
Speaker 1: seems like she was running the show. I'm so sorry,
Speaker 1: but I just wanna, like, you know, Dmitri felt like
Speaker 1: it was really important for everyone to know that wanted
Speaker 1: everyone to know the age gap, because you're talking about
Speaker 1: controlling situation that she's claiming she was manipulated, controlled by him,
Speaker 1: And I think when you have that age difference at
Speaker 1: that age that plays, that makes it sadly more believable.
Speaker 1: So I'm just I don't think that's the whole thing,
Speaker 1: but I think there had to have been I think
Speaker 1: there was probably some of that, but I don't think
Speaker 1: her hands are clean because of that. Well, she also
Speaker 1: said she dropped out of Stanford because she was raped
Speaker 1: at and she wanted to change the world, and she
Speaker 1: wanted to build her own company and change her life
Speaker 1: that way and and change the world. But then you
Speaker 1: have to say, while changing the world, she was actually
Speaker 1: hurting so many people by giving them false tests. I
Speaker 1: call faranos. Fanos must be stopped. Have to collect all
Speaker 1: the rings. I mean truly, I mean they that their
Speaker 1: technologies were flawed. They it was massive odd. They weren't
Speaker 1: able to do any of the testing that they said
Speaker 1: they were doing. They promised to have to revolutionize blood
Speaker 1: testing and the entire industry. It's just a single finger prick, right,
Speaker 1: They could just take a few drops of blood, eliminating
Speaker 1: the need for large needles and vials of blood sitting
Speaker 1: there being uncomfortable in the doctor's chair in the hospital
Speaker 1: wherever you are, and that they could run They could
Speaker 1: find over two health conditions with just a couple droplets
Speaker 1: of the blood and a Walgreens and then manipulate. So
Speaker 1: then people are coming into Walgreens thinking they're getting this
Speaker 1: finger prick and then they're like, oh, actually the way
Speaker 1: your doctor called it in was through I V so
Speaker 1: you actually have to do this. So It's like, not
Speaker 1: only could they not give a straight answer on how
Speaker 1: many finger pricks they actually did, but they were you know,
Speaker 1: having to do the IVY. But also this is the
Speaker 1: part that gives me the most, just people that consistently
Speaker 1: need to get their had taken because they have medical
Speaker 1: conditions would go get their blood taken from them, and
Speaker 1: that it would be completely different diagnostics because it was
Speaker 1: all made up and the people in this lab. The
Speaker 1: part that really hit home to me was the one
Speaker 1: of the researchers or somebody that worked in the lab
Speaker 1: was saying how there was such a difference between the
Speaker 1: tile side and the carpet side, So anybody that worked
Speaker 1: at their nos that worked on the tile side knew
Speaker 1: what they were doing was a complete fraud, and they
Speaker 1: were trying to wrap their heads around these you know,
Speaker 1: terrible things that they were telling their patients. But then
Speaker 1: they'd go over to the carpet side, where everybody idolized
Speaker 1: her and made her out to be, you know, like
Speaker 1: this genius, this savant, like this incredible person, and she's
Speaker 1: pretending that she knew none of that was going on. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: like they're like they're playing like the champ is here,
Speaker 1: she like comes through the aisles to like pretend she
Speaker 1: doesn't know what's going on her own business, she said
Speaker 1: Jesse small of blood testing. But wow, honestly, very good, Dmitri,
Speaker 1: very good. After she found out for everything, she still
Speaker 1: like was it was it Vanity Fair that came and
Speaker 1: did the interview with her, and they took all like
Speaker 1: she still didn't realize she was in trouble, Like she
Speaker 1: still kept up the lie. She still kept it going.
Speaker 1: And it's almost like she doesn't know the reality is
Speaker 1: what the reporter was saying. She can't even understand what
Speaker 1: actual reality is. I don't believe that to be true.
Speaker 1: I don't think. I think that there are people that
Speaker 1: are so deep in their lies. Sure, maybe she believes
Speaker 1: her lies, but I think that there are people that
Speaker 1: are so pathologically unwell. She's a pathological liar and a
Speaker 1: sociopath too, to lie to so many investors and never
Speaker 1: have the technology. First of all, if you have that
Speaker 1: much money, higher better engineers, you know, like, how how
Speaker 1: did they just falls so short? Because she would have
Speaker 1: had to admit she didn't know what she was designing.
Speaker 1: He had no idea what she was doing, but neither
Speaker 1: did Steve Jobs, and he took a lot of credit
Speaker 1: for other people's work. So maybe she really was the
Speaker 1: Steve Jobs of blood testing. Well, she's obviously she's a
Speaker 1: real smooth talker because guess who's not not single? Hello?
Speaker 1: She got a trust fund baby who I who also
Speaker 1: admired her always to marry her. They're still living their
Speaker 1: best life on the Graham There there's been some sluice
Speaker 1: that's found pictures of them were like they are. I mean,
Speaker 1: she's about to come up for trash. She could face
Speaker 1: up to twenty years in prison. Yeah, but don't you
Speaker 1: think the timing is interesting that she was about to
Speaker 1: go on trial and then suddenly she was pregnant and
Speaker 1: they bought her almost a year. I bought her almost
Speaker 1: a year. We were going to go on trial and
Speaker 1: possibly never be able to see your child for twenty years.
Speaker 1: Would you want to be pregnant? I wouldn't. I don't
Speaker 1: think she looks like that. I think she looks at it. Okay,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a jury and they're gonna see this
Speaker 1: cold woman or they're going to see a mom. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they they're they're trying to make her look human, and
Speaker 1: you know, I know that she gave a very emotional
Speaker 1: testimony about being psychologically, emotionally and sexually abused by this man.
Speaker 1: And I it's hard for me because you know, as
Speaker 1: as a kid, I always grew up really fearing authority figures,
Speaker 1: and then when I got into college, I started having
Speaker 1: crushes on teachers, and I thought that that was normal.
Speaker 1: But there's a power dynamic there that becomes very obvious,
Speaker 1: and I think that there's a level of giving into it.
Speaker 1: I think that you can decide to do it or
Speaker 1: decide not to do it. Well, I think it depends
Speaker 1: on the circumstance, um, but I mean I think so too.
Speaker 1: But also, you know, there's a level of integrity and
Speaker 1: if you're saying your mission statement in a business is
Speaker 1: to change the world and change people's lives because of
Speaker 1: what happened with your grandfather, and that's your mission statement,
Speaker 1: then you should be able to own up to at
Speaker 1: least that portion of it. If your mission statement is,
Speaker 1: you know, I want to make as much money as
Speaker 1: I possibly can and do as many tests as I
Speaker 1: possibly can. Okay, maybe you could understand it a little differently,
Speaker 1: but it's too such different things that she's doing that
Speaker 1: it's really hard to wrap your head around it, and
Speaker 1: especially because she's still not taking ownership, like she still
Speaker 1: was trying to release in Edison as her own Sarah
Speaker 1: knows Blood. Like there was just so many lies that
Speaker 1: you just don't know what to believe and how do
Speaker 1: you decipher the lies. But I think the it's just
Speaker 1: wild that this is all finally coming forward. But it's
Speaker 1: I just think fascinating person I can say that it's fascinating.
Speaker 1: And she also had none of her former employees or
Speaker 1: any of her colleagues come to her wedding. So if
Speaker 1: it was really this guy that was the massive manipulator
Speaker 1: and he was doing all of this, but you had
Speaker 1: your entire rest of your business that knew that, or
Speaker 1: any anybody that still trust you, why weren't they there?
Speaker 1: Why wasn't anybody there from your entire you know, time
Speaker 1: doing it? I mean, I know that there were a
Speaker 1: lot of locked doors there because they didn't want people
Speaker 1: knowing what was going on. And you know, when the
Speaker 1: company dissolved in twenty eighteen and they started facing several
Speaker 1: civil and criminal federal probes, um they reached a settlement
Speaker 1: with the SEC for five thousand dollars. She did not
Speaker 1: actually admit or deny the charges, She just paid it off.
Speaker 1: I think Ms Holmes is about to be Miss Holmes list.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, which
Speaker 1: is why we're going to have to keep you posted
Speaker 1: on the next Real Time crime, because, guys, as much
Speaker 1: as I want to talk about her, for I could
Speaker 1: honestly go on and on and I know, I could
Speaker 1: talk about Elizabeth Holmes Lee it could talk about herself
Speaker 1: and we could never end this book. No, No, there's
Speaker 1: just so many there are so many plot points that
Speaker 1: I know, I know. Can we talk about her more
Speaker 1: next week? Yeah? We have to. We don't have a
Speaker 1: choice because I will wear black turtleneck and will be
Speaker 1: brought up in conversation. I'll even show all my next
Speaker 1: But can you guys do us a favor and call
Speaker 1: in and ask us any questions you have in regards
Speaker 1: to Elizabeth Holmes, do your phone number, Leah, do your
Speaker 1: phone number? Oh my god, I thought you never asked.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Teddy. This is my joy, my
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Speaker 1: I just thought it would be fun to try it out,
Speaker 1: and honestly, Italy hurts. Where where are your night? While
Speaker 1: you're listening? Alright, one turtle Nick. You know, it's also
Speaker 1: kind of just sounds like uh stoner bro from like
Speaker 1: the nineties. I also now want to go back and
Speaker 1: watch Roumie and Michelle. That's your tonight. I think we're
Speaker 1: literally think we're bye guys, bye. It's real time grad,
Speaker 1: real time grad. I mean, is it actually real time
Speaker 1: I'm solving anything? Or is that just the thing we say,
Speaker 1: it's a thing we say, got it? Okay, see you
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