WEBVTT - Don't Bury the Lead(s) 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:18.840 Hello, Social Sluice Internet detectives. We never decided on a 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:22.239 name for you guys. Sorry, everyone, this is who I 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:25.319 am now, Welcome back to Real Time Crime. I'm Lely Lamar, 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:26.800 one of your hosts, and I have with me my 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:32.280 wonderful co host, Teddy Melling Camp coming in a hilarious second. 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:34.960 After I say co host that you don't respond and 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:38.960 I'm like, is someone else? It's because every time I'm 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:42.800 so shocked at like your overall voice change when you 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:47.960 do the entrance, fully ready to answer because I'm completely 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:50.640 and but also right now I'm currently trying to figure 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:53.320 out because you have a different background. If you're at 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:56.240 a dude's house or where are you? That would be 0:00:56.240 --> 0:00:58.680 pretty sweet if I brought my microphone to a dude's house, 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:04.720 because that would mean that we were hilarious, hilarious. The 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:06.640 real crime is that I did not hook up with 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:10.560 anyone last night. I'm at an Airbnb in Miami, and 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:17.600 I would say this is the Hodelsis of Miami. I 0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:20.600 just want to make sure no one heard me. Um 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:23.759 is very scary here. I'm about to screen share with 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:28.440 everyone and hopefully they'll be able to show you this clip. Um, 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:33.240 it is the truly disturbing what I have found here. Oh, 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:36.280 sharing my screen is this very intimate moment for everyone. 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:39.320 I feel frightened. What if your text messages come up? 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:46.280 Look at all that other stuff? Leave me alone? You guys, 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:51.760 this is literally outside my airbnb. This is this is 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:55.040 the hallway. Are the twins from the Shining Gunna pop 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:59.280 up along and play the elevator game? Is there an elevator? 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:02.000 Do you just take? There's a the old staircase. I've 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:04.040 already thought about this a million times. You know there's 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:05.840 a dumb waiter. They just shoved me in and then 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:08.960 hold on. Before we go any further, give us the 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:12.200 share your location or something, because this doesn't look like 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:14.840 it's gonna end well, and we want to know. We 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:18.280 want to track you better. Guys, You're gonna be real 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:22.760 excited because I'm about to transition better than we were 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:29.360 able to track Brian Loundry and hide up. Okay, if 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:31.200 you're gonna get killed, Leah, can you get killed on 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:33.040 where there's already a blood stain on the carpet there, 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:34.760 so we don't have to don't have to clean two places. 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:41.679 I'm you know they're not going Yeah, they're gonna leave 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:43.399 my blood there, but I will put it on top 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:45.840 of another person's blood so that they can confuse the 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:49.840 two crimes together and then put an innocent person in jail. Well, look, 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:53.120 you know, just like the justice system, just like weaving 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:56.040 in all of our hot topics. You also thank you 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:59.040 to no One for bringing up my spray tan. We 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:01.360 already saw it on the ram. Do you need double 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:04.440 I hearted it um. I archived that photo because it 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:07.160 was a little too sexy. And at the sunscreen sponsor, 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:09.680 I think did already look at the photo that's number one, 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:12.959 number two, Dimitria. We actually look like twins right now, 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:16.520 don't get met and I look like we look like twins. 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:20.280 We're both in Elizabeth Holmes later Turtle next to honor Her. 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:22.640 I find it a little bit of setting that you 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:24.320 guys didn't let me know that I was supposed to 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:27.040 wear the turtleneck. Granted, not that I would because I 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:32.720 can't because it's not flattering from my next the fact 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:37.160 that you said next plural, and ever since all these well, 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:38.840 because we are going to be talking about the Kim 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:43.560 Kardashian robbery, ever since all have been going on. My 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:47.280 husband installed a million more security cameras into our house. 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:50.080 And I've got to tell you, there's nothing more upsetting 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:52.840 than seeing yourself walk outside of your front door and 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:55.840 not for the photo, and then have the photos sent 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:58.800 to you. I'm like, shouldn't there be something that knows 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:01.680 that it's me, so doesn't send me and my husband 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:04.880 the photo every day? Yesterday I honestly had sixty four 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:09.280 next and I'm like, I can't even explain to you 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:11.080 the picture. I if I could show it to you, 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:13.520 I would, And then if only there was a way 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:16.560 to show someone a picture actually you know what I can. 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:19.120 But we all know that the camera ads ten pounds. 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:22.880 It's not guys, it's not it's not about weight, guys. 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:26.000 It's about the amount of necks that I had in 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:29.880 this photo. And you know, it's just let's see what 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:34.640 we can do. I don't want to neck teddy. Guys, 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:37.320 y'all are laughing until this photo gets sent to your 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:40.560 husband and you're like trying to keep it. Second, oh 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:44.160 my god, well first I have to find a husband. Yes, 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:48.880 things can be worse dead, Thanks, okay, thank you, Okay, 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:52.320 Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, that photo. Okay, first, 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:55.880 of all, hilarious. Second of all, it looks like a 0:04:56.040 --> 0:05:00.160 version of you from like like there's this we you're 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:04.520 like it looks like a photo from the past. Well, 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:07.120 it's a photo from the present. And it was yesterday 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:10.160 and then today another photo was taken and my hair 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:12.560 is covering my next and my husband goes, I saw 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:16.960 you covered your next up today. What is gonna have 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:19.360 to send it to us? But guys, I know you 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:23.040 know it's real. If my husband can't love me and 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:25.600 all my next, he doesn't deserve me yet. If if 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:27.400 you can't handle me in my tent next, you don't 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:29.320 deserve me at my one neck, don't get me at 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:31.360 any next. If you don't you feel like you're writing 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:34.320 your vows right now. This is fantastic. I mean this, 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:39.679 this is love. Okay, guys, I'm over talking about Brian Laundry, 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:42.800 but we do have to cover the update. He was 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:46.560 only he was only useful to us alive. I thought 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:48.799 you were gonna say you're over talking about me because 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:51.039 I was ready to keep going. I know you were, 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:53.599 but I'm over both, so we have to continue on 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:58.760 through the actual episode. Brian Laundry died by suicide from 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:02.360 a gunshot wound to ahead. An attorney from Brian Loundry 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:05.880 family told CNN Tuesday, Christ and ROBERTA. Laundry have been 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:09.800 informed that the cause of death was a gunshot wound. Okay, 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:16.320 also shocker, the Laundries release their guns and one's missing. 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:21.760 We think that Brian's parents should be investigated and possibly 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:24.800 charged for this because it really seems to me like 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:28.080 they've been very silent. They went on a trip with him, 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:32.840 they knew his mental space, like allegedly, this seems like 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:35.560 of course they knew what was going to happen. Does 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:41.159 a bear ship in the woods. I could have done 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:45.040 without that. I already under the weather. I'm sorry. All 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:48.040 I'm saying is, yes, we've been saying this from day one. 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:52.320 They need they need to this. They've been in on 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:56.000 this the whole time. I think it's pretty clear they 0:06:56.040 --> 0:07:01.080 covered up his escape somehow, they helped him escape somehow. 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:04.480 The fact that there was surveillance and they somehow missed 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:07.560 him slipping out and can confused him with his mom 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:10.800 outside these I just don't buy any of this. I 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:13.440 don't buy a single word people have said. Do you 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:16.200 think the fact that he killed himself proves that he's guilty, 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:19.640 and no, every single move he and his family did 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:23.120 proves that he was guilty in my opinion. Also, I 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:25.280 love how they're like, oh, now we'll never know how 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:29.720 Gabby died. No, we know, what do you mean? Of 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:32.840 course we know, we don't we haven't heard from his mouth, 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:35.520 which I think is what everybody was hoping he was 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:39.920 going to have this like big revelation. But obviously this 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:46.119 was not a person that had any control like empathy, love, 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:50.520 kindness about who he was and his relationship with Gabby. 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:53.200 And at the end of the day, once he realized 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:55.760 he couldn't get away with it, I would assume that 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:58.960 means that's why he took his life. I think so too, 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:00.679 and I think he did it so that he could 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:06.640 go down without the title of official murderer. Now it's 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:13.080 just quote unquote unsolved, but I think we know what happened. 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:17.000 I mean, I'm sorry, but unless they can prove that 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:24.760 another person strangled Gabby, like I just, I just refused 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:27.200 to believe it was anyone else, especially with their physical 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:33.400 altercations and and how long was the gun missing? Because 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:35.800 they still haven't solved the murder of the other two 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:40.720 women in Moab and they were shot to death by gun. 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:45.080 I know there's so many How long was the gun missing? 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:47.880 Did they have it the whole trip? Why are they 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:50.559 not connecting the two cases? And if they say they 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:53.160 know that the two cases aren't connected, how do they 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:55.080 know that two cases aren't connected? And why won't they 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:58.520 release information? What if they said, listen, mom, dad laundry, 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:01.400 you're not heap of ship. We're gonna put you. You know, 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:03.920 you could go to jail, tell us everything you know, 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:06.839 and that will lessen your sentence. Possibly they'll give it 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:10.760 for that. I think berd Now I was gonna say 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:12.719 not with that lawyer, he's not going to give it, 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:17.160 I mean, any sound advice. At this point, none of 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:21.840 this has made sense from the jump, and speaking of 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:26.920 not telling us anything and leaving us in the dark, 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:31.480 can I segue into Heidi Plank? You took my segue? 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:36.200 You know that's my favorite thing. Don't plenty of segway 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:38.880 to go around? Oh my god, we didn't introduce Dmitri. 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:44.480 S sometimes Dmitri And this is how it should always be. 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:47.120 Just to be clear, I'm always Dmitri, but I'm always 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:50.880 sometimes allowed to speak. Yeah, but we like to call 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:53.480 you sometimes, Dmitri. I appreciate that. I have to say 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:55.840 last night I spent a lot of hours trying to 0:09:55.960 --> 0:10:01.960 understand what happened to Heidi Pluck. I really for a 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:05.560 little bit of backstory. We talked about this case a 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:09.640 couple of weeks ago. She left abruptly from one of 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:14.920 her sons football game or sporting event games, and she 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:18.600 looked agitated. Her ex husband said she looked agitated. She 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:21.000 was dating somebody, but that person was out of town. 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:26.240 And they randomly found her dog in an apartment building 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:30.960 in downtown Los Angeles, and then the that apartment building 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:33.960 would not let them originally do a search for her, 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:37.640 and the boyfriend thought that she ghosted him because of 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:41.120 an argument they had, which is really what happened. She's 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:44.440 missing and now they just had to They're searching a 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:50.120 landfill north of Los Angeles where they believe her remains 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:52.840 to be. Then I feel like there's some information missing. 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:55.480 She disappeared, they found her dog, they wouldn't let him 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:57.480 in the building, and now we're searching a landfill somewhere else. 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:00.000 So this has been over two weeks. I have Google 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:03.320 Old literally every day, and there was one video of 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:05.400 her walking her dog that they released, but they did 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:09.040 not release any tapes from the apartment complex. They didn't 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:14.800 release anything, Okay, And I think, can I just make 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:18.480 a weird jump in a conclusion here, I think that 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:23.480 the police are terrified of every case becoming like a 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:27.679 Gabby Potito case and the Internet hopping on their cases 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:32.640 and not letting them do their jobs, or people getting 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:37.000 taken down for not doing not performing well. Like, think 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:42.680 about how much we think that the police completely botched 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:48.079 the Gabby Potito Brandon laundry case. Yeah, but this is 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:55.560 a completely different, all right location. I would understand this 0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:57.520 is all the same police department, but this is a 0:11:57.559 --> 0:12:01.080 completely different area. Left us out for so long, and 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:03.040 it seems kind of odd that they would do that. 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:05.599 They didn't tell us any information, and the l A 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:07.800 p D said in a statement that it appears that 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:11.520 Plank died. It appears that she died and an apartment 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:14.400 building in downtown l A in a quote unquote incident, 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:18.520 and forensic evidence found at that building led to a 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:21.680 landfill search. I'm sorry if she's in a landfill. It 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:25.600 wasn't an incident. That's a murder. It is a murder. 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:28.240 What are they saying by incident? Like where my head 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:31.120 went by that phrasing was like maybe there was some 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:36.040 sort of domestic type abuse situation, like maybe she was 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:38.480 having a relationship with somebody in that part. I mean, 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:40.400 this is all. I've completely made this up. I have 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:44.760 absolutely no idea. I'm thinking that some relationship she was 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:48.600 having with somebody in this apartment building and things went 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:54.320 I hear that financial fraud and that. But here's where 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:57.240 it's confusing to me. The man who she worked for, 0:12:57.559 --> 0:12:59.520 who she was having the issues with, who was getting 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:04.040 in trouble for financial fraud, he was caught leaving like 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:09.000 donuts or something at her doorstep after she's already been missing. 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:12.320 So either that's him just covering his basis and trying 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:16.439 to look innocent, or they had that maybe they were 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:19.400 having a relationship allegedly. Who knows why they were in 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:21.840 that apartment building. Maybe that's where they were shedding, shredding 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:24.800 all the files. We don't know. But the point is 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:26.760 they're not giving us any information. And there is a 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:29.960 little boy that has no idea what happened to his mother. 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:34.120 I hear you, But if it was an accident and 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:36.959 someone didn't mean to murder her. They're not going to 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:39.760 go then dump her body in the landfill, right, But 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:47.440 is an incident different than accident? But to me, incident 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:51.400 also downplays it. I'm just like, it's a murder. She 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:55.640 was murdered. She may not have been murdered at the 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:59.480 apartment building, is what they're saying. The incident then caused 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:03.360 the murder later at the landfill in the car. Who knows, 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:06.840 but maybe maybe the tune in next week for Leah 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:10.640 and Teddy get into a semantics battle, and I think 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:14.920 that's that's happening this week. I think we're going, oh, um, okay, 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:18.679 you're right. Either way, we don't know. But I am 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:22.480 upset that her son has no additional information and now 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:25.720 that it's just sad. I would have also liked to 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:29.400 have known what the text messages were that she received 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:33.960 that made her just abruptly leave. I think that when 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:40.080 they find her body, they will probably disclose more information. Yeah, 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:42.200 when they find her body and or what they find 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:44.360 more details on how this happened. But I want to 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:46.280 know who lives in that apartment building. I want to 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:49.720 know why and why is that apartment building so protected? 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:56.240 You know, like, why were they? We can go down 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:58.200 all the different rabbits know, but I'm like, it's a 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:00.640 murder case. You're not going to let the police in 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:07.880 to check the tapes? Wow, maybe they knew something. I 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:10.560 just also would like to report a crime that just occurred. 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:13.040 I received a text message from a man I went 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:15.560 on a date with over two months ago, who never 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:17.480 took me on a second date and then just said 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:23.520 just saying, hey, hope you're well lady, Are you kidding me? 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:27.240 At eleven oh one am that kind of text message? 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:31.440 What are you doing? I have zero interest in following 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:35.040 up on that. And also I just just a little 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:38.240 advice to everyone. We know when you've gone through a 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:41.920 breakup with someone else, So the circle back is just 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:44.600 like it's not really a compliment. And if you are 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:48.840 going to circle back, hold yourself accountable and say like, hey, listen, 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:50.560 I screwed up by not reaching out to you after 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:52.600 our first date. I've been thinking about you and I 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:54.640 actually would like to take you out on a date again. 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:57.760 Would you be interested, like being like, have some balls? 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:00.080 Don't just half acid like that. Let's call this to 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:02.880 what this is. Somebody was scrolling through Instagram and saw 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:12.200 your down because I think this is why I took 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:16.640 it down. This is the real crime. I think that 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:19.520 I get a lot of hate when I post anything 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:22.720 that's sexy on my page because it's normally just comedy 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:27.640 and turtlenecks, and people have a hard time comprehending it. 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:29.120 And then I just get a lot of dams from 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:33.080 dudes being like, oh I would, I would, I'd give whatever, 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:35.760 you know, just a whole bunch of dude stuff sliding 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:38.400 it in. And I'm like, you know, I don't really 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:41.600 want this kind of attention, but don't I. But I 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:45.040 can tell you this. I have a following of it's 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:49.160 a six percent men on my Instagram. They're not They're 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:51.080 not sliding into my d M. So, no matter how 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:55.280 sexual the photos are, just saying, well, you're married, I 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:57.960 get it, but I just you know, you're in a 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:01.600 loving relationship. What is that? Like, Teddy, we'll get that in. 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:05.560 We're gonna have to talk about that. So public service. 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:08.800 If you're going to slide into them, compliment her turtlenexska, 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:12.960 if you're gonna slide into sight, even though she's asked 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:15.520 us five times already since we started the pod today. 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:17.720 If we noticed her spray just thought you would notice 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:21.280 it's I honestly think me spray tanning is the equivalent 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:23.920 of you going brunett. I know that being said, I 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:27.520 probably I might go back blond soon. Thank you. We'll 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:31.520 talk about this later after the break. Okay, Bye, I 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:33.960 mean not by just buy it for right now see 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:49.720 in a second. Bye for now. All right, guys, we're 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:55.399 back your time. Crime you can talk about Kevin Strickland. 0:17:55.920 --> 0:18:00.600 This is so heartbreaking to me. Leah, you your voice 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:05.560 and give us the rundown. Kevin Strickland comes home after 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:09.359 forty three years behind bars for a crime he didn't commit. 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:11.639 I'm a little sick. I'm sorry if it was a 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:17.600 weird um, I'm it's okay, Okay, I'm gonna keep going. Okay, 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:19.520 just so everyone is clear, because there are some people 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:21.560 who might not know about the case. I'm just gonna 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:25.760 continue on here. Cynthia Douglas didn't recognize the man holding 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:28.720 the shotgun the night her boyfriend and best friend were murdered. 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:31.840 It was around seven thirty pm on a Tuesday evening 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:35.720 when four men entered Larry Ingram's bungalow in Kansas City, Missouri, 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:38.600 where Douglas was hanging out with Ingram, her best friend 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:42.760 Sherry Black, and her boyfriend Jack Walker. Douglas was the 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:45.239 only one to survive what would later be described as 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:49.240 an execution style attack. She told police she recognized two 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:53.040 of the assailants right away, Vincent Bell and kilm Atkins, 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:55.840 but the other two were a mystery. One was wearing 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:58.399 something like a sack over his head, the other, the 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:01.080 man holding the shotgun, was short with some facial hair. 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:05.080 The next day, however, Douglas appears to change her mind. 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:07.800 She told the cops she thought the man with the 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:11.840 shotgun might be eighteen year old Kevin Strickland, and acquaintance 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:14.679 of hers. She figured it out after describing the unknown 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:17.800 assailants to her sister's boyfriend. You know, he told her 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:20.000 the shirt one sounded like it could be Strickland, who 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:26.600 lived two houses down from Bell, so to summarize, and 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:30.400 it wasn't until she actually passed away. And he's now 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:35.880 been in prison for, you know, over forty years. That 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:39.480 the sorry I'm blanking guys, what is it called that? 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:45.560 The uh? Well, but also yeah, no, but it's a 0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:49.919 fund that that reopened the case. Well, just before we 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:53.399 go there, Incence Project, the Innocence Project. But before we 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:57.080 go there, Douglas realized she was wrong after the conviction 0:19:57.200 --> 0:20:00.919 conviction and tried to get to overturn it, right. She 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:04.280 tried for so many years, and no one was able 0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:07.440 to do it until she actually passed away, and then 0:20:07.480 --> 0:20:13.239 the Innocence Project started investigating the case. It's it's so 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:15.320 crazy to think that someone could say, oh, no, I 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:19.359 made a mistake about convicting someone as a murderer and 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:22.439 then have no one believe her. Right, they believe her 0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:24.240 for the first part, and she says I made a mistake, 0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:25.679 like well, we don't need to hear about that. Then 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:27.440 they don't want to hear about anymore because they don't 0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:28.959 want to have to do the work of, you know, 0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:33.120 reinvestigating figuring out who did it. But I mean not 0:20:33.160 --> 0:20:36.480 that this makes up for anything. But even though he 0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:41.400 was released and given nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing from 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:44.640 the state, he would receive one point four million from 0:20:44.640 --> 0:20:47.640 a go fund me set up by the Missouri Innocence Project. 0:20:47.840 --> 0:20:51.000 And you made an article where he's like so excited 0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:54.560 to like go and buy a tooth, but like little 0:20:54.600 --> 0:20:57.920 small things and and started his life to his life 0:20:57.920 --> 0:21:00.159 because I mean, he went into eighteen years old for 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:03.199 a crime he did not commit. It's insane. To me. 0:21:03.280 --> 0:21:05.400 First of all, one point four million is not enough. 0:21:05.920 --> 0:21:08.120 I'm just gonna go out there and say that if 0:21:08.160 --> 0:21:11.440 you've been in jail for forty three years for a 0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:14.000 murder you didn't commit, one point four million is abs 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:17.919 I mean, money can't buy time, but it does help. 0:21:18.400 --> 0:21:20.560 But I do think that that's not enough. A B. 0:21:21.080 --> 0:21:22.919 What I thought was interesting was the go fund me 0:21:23.040 --> 0:21:26.800 was mostly small donations, which means it was a lot 0:21:26.840 --> 0:21:32.720 of people who couldn't afford a lot but cared, and 0:21:32.720 --> 0:21:36.040 and that I think is really unique and interesting, and 0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:38.960 I mean I feel so bad for him. I mean. 0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:42.880 The other reason is that a lot of states give 0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:47.159 money for wrongful conviction. However, Missouri only gives money to 0:21:47.280 --> 0:21:50.639 people exonerated by DNA evidence, and since there was no 0:21:50.880 --> 0:21:53.680 DNA in his case, I guess it was a technicality, 0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:57.760 but there was any to convict either, which they now 0:21:59.000 --> 0:22:01.960 it's just so fresh training because it's a technicality. That 0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:05.159 but more than I mean, it is enough in the 0:22:05.200 --> 0:22:08.320 fact that more than thousand people donate it, So that 0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:12.000 is like incredible that so many beautiful but heartbreaking that 0:22:12.119 --> 0:22:15.240 because of a technicality wasn't able to be more from 0:22:15.440 --> 0:22:18.119 the state. I wonder if there'll be an ongoing fund 0:22:18.160 --> 0:22:21.520 for him. There should be, There should be, I mean, 0:22:21.520 --> 0:22:24.000 there should be a lot of There should be a 0:22:24.080 --> 0:22:27.719 lot of things for the for him. But I mean, 0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:31.000 I think it's interesting. This is It's like, how do 0:22:31.040 --> 0:22:33.119 you how do we think this could be prevented in 0:22:33.160 --> 0:22:37.840 the future. I mean, I think there has to be, uh, 0:22:37.920 --> 0:22:41.560 somebody that because after something terrible happens to your best 0:22:41.560 --> 0:22:43.840 friend and your boyfriend, you have to understand that you 0:22:43.880 --> 0:22:47.159 are going through extreme trauma and grief and heartbreak and 0:22:47.200 --> 0:22:50.080 all of these additional things. And if you're only getting 0:22:50.160 --> 0:22:53.359 interrogated and there isn't some sort of therapy and real 0:22:53.440 --> 0:22:58.080 conversations had about the grief, it's heart It's easy to 0:22:58.080 --> 0:23:02.520 make a decision that's incorrect. Like I think, people so 0:23:02.680 --> 0:23:06.080 badly when something terrible happens, so badly want an answer 0:23:06.440 --> 0:23:08.720 that they're going to give the wrong answer just to 0:23:08.760 --> 0:23:11.600 hope for peace. But then they realized that peace isn't 0:23:11.640 --> 0:23:15.359 coming because now they've made it worse. That's what happened 0:23:15.400 --> 0:23:17.879 in the Amanda Knox case too. I mean they were 0:23:17.920 --> 0:23:21.280 trying to force conclusions and force answers on that case, 0:23:21.560 --> 0:23:26.359 and so the Italian government just kept trying to make 0:23:26.640 --> 0:23:32.280 her blame people or give testimonies that weren't real, so 0:23:32.320 --> 0:23:35.120 that they just had answers. I mean, this happens a lot. 0:23:37.119 --> 0:23:39.600 This happens a lot, and it's such a shame. I mean, 0:23:39.640 --> 0:23:42.520 do we think that there should be repercussions for cases 0:23:42.560 --> 0:23:46.919 like these? Like Who's responsible? I think these are the 0:23:47.000 --> 0:23:50.720 cases that need to be really spoken about. So oftentimes 0:23:50.840 --> 0:23:54.040 we'll talk about not us in general, but like cases 0:23:54.040 --> 0:23:56.560 are shared so much, but like this one is one 0:23:56.640 --> 0:23:59.600 that like should be very eye opening to so many people. 0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:02.720 And to say, wow, if I'm going to say it 0:24:02.760 --> 0:24:05.560