1 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: Hello, Social Sluice Internet detectives. We never decided on a 2 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: name for you guys. Sorry, everyone, this is who I 3 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:25,319 Speaker 1: am now, Welcome back to Real Time Crime. I'm Lely Lamar, 4 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: one of your hosts, and I have with me my 5 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: wonderful co host, Teddy Melling Camp coming in a hilarious second. 6 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: After I say co host that you don't respond and 7 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: I'm like, is someone else? It's because every time I'm 8 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: so shocked at like your overall voice change when you 9 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: do the entrance, fully ready to answer because I'm completely 10 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: and but also right now I'm currently trying to figure 11 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: out because you have a different background. If you're at 12 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: a dude's house or where are you? That would be 13 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: pretty sweet if I brought my microphone to a dude's house, 14 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: because that would mean that we were hilarious, hilarious. The 15 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: real crime is that I did not hook up with 16 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: anyone last night. I'm at an Airbnb in Miami, and 17 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: I would say this is the Hodelsis of Miami. I 18 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: just want to make sure no one heard me. Um 19 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 1: is very scary here. I'm about to screen share with 20 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: everyone and hopefully they'll be able to show you this clip. Um, 21 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: it is the truly disturbing what I have found here. Oh, 22 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: sharing my screen is this very intimate moment for everyone. 23 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 1: I feel frightened. What if your text messages come up? 24 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: Look at all that other stuff? Leave me alone? You guys, 25 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: this is literally outside my airbnb. This is this is 26 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: the hallway. Are the twins from the Shining Gunna pop 27 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: up along and play the elevator game? Is there an elevator? 28 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: Do you just take? There's a the old staircase. I've 29 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: already thought about this a million times. You know there's 30 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: a dumb waiter. They just shoved me in and then 31 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: hold on. Before we go any further, give us the 32 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: share your location or something, because this doesn't look like 33 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: it's gonna end well, and we want to know. We 34 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: want to track you better. Guys, You're gonna be real 35 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: excited because I'm about to transition better than we were 36 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 1: able to track Brian Loundry and hide up. Okay, if 37 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: you're gonna get killed, Leah, can you get killed on 38 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: where there's already a blood stain on the carpet there, 39 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: so we don't have to don't have to clean two places. 40 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:41,679 Speaker 1: I'm you know they're not going Yeah, they're gonna leave 41 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:43,399 Speaker 1: my blood there, but I will put it on top 42 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: of another person's blood so that they can confuse the 43 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: two crimes together and then put an innocent person in jail. Well, look, 44 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: you know, just like the justice system, just like weaving 45 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: in all of our hot topics. You also thank you 46 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: to no One for bringing up my spray tan. We 47 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 1: already saw it on the ram. Do you need double 48 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: I hearted it um. I archived that photo because it 49 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: was a little too sexy. And at the sunscreen sponsor, 50 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: I think did already look at the photo that's number one, 51 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,959 Speaker 1: number two, Dimitria. We actually look like twins right now, 52 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: don't get met and I look like we look like twins. 53 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: We're both in Elizabeth Holmes later Turtle next to honor Her. 54 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: I find it a little bit of setting that you 55 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: guys didn't let me know that I was supposed to 56 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: wear the turtleneck. Granted, not that I would because I 57 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: can't because it's not flattering from my next the fact 58 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: that you said next plural, and ever since all these well, 59 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: because we are going to be talking about the Kim 60 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: Kardashian robbery, ever since all have been going on. My 61 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: husband installed a million more security cameras into our house. 62 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: And I've got to tell you, there's nothing more upsetting 63 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: than seeing yourself walk outside of your front door and 64 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: not for the photo, and then have the photos sent 65 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: to you. I'm like, shouldn't there be something that knows 66 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: that it's me, so doesn't send me and my husband 67 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: the photo every day? Yesterday I honestly had sixty four 68 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: next and I'm like, I can't even explain to you 69 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: the picture. I if I could show it to you, 70 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: I would, And then if only there was a way 71 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: to show someone a picture actually you know what I can. 72 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: But we all know that the camera ads ten pounds. 73 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: It's not guys, it's not it's not about weight, guys. 74 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: It's about the amount of necks that I had in 75 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: this photo. And you know, it's just let's see what 76 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: we can do. I don't want to neck teddy. Guys, 77 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: y'all are laughing until this photo gets sent to your 78 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: husband and you're like trying to keep it. Second, oh 79 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 1: my god, well first I have to find a husband. Yes, 80 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: things can be worse dead, Thanks, okay, thank you, Okay, 81 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, that photo. Okay, first, 82 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: of all, hilarious. Second of all, it looks like a 83 00:04:56,040 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 1: version of you from like like there's this we you're 84 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: like it looks like a photo from the past. Well, 85 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: it's a photo from the present. And it was yesterday 86 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 1: and then today another photo was taken and my hair 87 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: is covering my next and my husband goes, I saw 88 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: you covered your next up today. What is gonna have 89 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 1: to send it to us? But guys, I know you 90 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 1: know it's real. If my husband can't love me and 91 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 1: all my next, he doesn't deserve me yet. If if 92 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: you can't handle me in my tent next, you don't 93 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: deserve me at my one neck, don't get me at 94 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: any next. If you don't you feel like you're writing 95 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: your vows right now. This is fantastic. I mean this, 96 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:39,679 Speaker 1: this is love. Okay, guys, I'm over talking about Brian Laundry, 97 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: but we do have to cover the update. He was 98 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: only he was only useful to us alive. I thought 99 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:48,799 Speaker 1: you were gonna say you're over talking about me because 100 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 1: I was ready to keep going. I know you were, 101 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 1: but I'm over both, so we have to continue on 102 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: through the actual episode. Brian Laundry died by suicide from 103 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: a gunshot wound to ahead. An attorney from Brian Loundry 104 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: family told CNN Tuesday, Christ and ROBERTA. Laundry have been 105 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: informed that the cause of death was a gunshot wound. Okay, 106 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: also shocker, the Laundries release their guns and one's missing. 107 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: We think that Brian's parents should be investigated and possibly 108 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: charged for this because it really seems to me like 109 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: they've been very silent. They went on a trip with him, 110 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 1: they knew his mental space, like allegedly, this seems like 111 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: of course they knew what was going to happen. Does 112 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 1: a bear ship in the woods. I could have done 113 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 1: without that. I already under the weather. I'm sorry. All 114 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: I'm saying is, yes, we've been saying this from day one. 115 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: They need they need to this. They've been in on 116 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: this the whole time. I think it's pretty clear they 117 00:06:56,040 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: covered up his escape somehow, they helped him escape somehow. 118 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: The fact that there was surveillance and they somehow missed 119 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: him slipping out and can confused him with his mom 120 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: outside these I just don't buy any of this. I 121 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: don't buy a single word people have said. Do you 122 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: think the fact that he killed himself proves that he's guilty, 123 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: and no, every single move he and his family did 124 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: proves that he was guilty in my opinion. Also, I 125 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: love how they're like, oh, now we'll never know how 126 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: Gabby died. No, we know, what do you mean? Of 127 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: course we know, we don't we haven't heard from his mouth, 128 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: which I think is what everybody was hoping he was 129 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: going to have this like big revelation. But obviously this 130 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:46,119 Speaker 1: was not a person that had any control like empathy, love, 131 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: kindness about who he was and his relationship with Gabby. 132 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, once he realized 133 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: he couldn't get away with it, I would assume that 134 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: means that's why he took his life. I think so too, 135 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:00,679 Speaker 1: and I think he did it so that he could 136 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: go down without the title of official murderer. Now it's 137 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: just quote unquote unsolved, but I think we know what happened. 138 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sorry, but unless they can prove that 139 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: another person strangled Gabby, like I just, I just refused 140 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: to believe it was anyone else, especially with their physical 141 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: altercations and and how long was the gun missing? Because 142 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: they still haven't solved the murder of the other two 143 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: women in Moab and they were shot to death by gun. 144 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: I know there's so many How long was the gun missing? 145 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: Did they have it the whole trip? Why are they 146 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 1: not connecting the two cases? And if they say they 147 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: know that the two cases aren't connected, how do they 148 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 1: know that two cases aren't connected? And why won't they 149 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: release information? What if they said, listen, mom, dad laundry, 150 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: you're not heap of ship. We're gonna put you. You know, 151 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: you could go to jail, tell us everything you know, 152 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,839 Speaker 1: and that will lessen your sentence. Possibly they'll give it 153 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: for that. I think berd Now I was gonna say 154 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:12,719 Speaker 1: not with that lawyer, he's not going to give it, 155 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: I mean, any sound advice. At this point, none of 156 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: this has made sense from the jump, and speaking of 157 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: not telling us anything and leaving us in the dark, 158 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: can I segue into Heidi Plank? You took my segue? 159 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: You know that's my favorite thing. Don't plenty of segway 160 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: to go around? Oh my god, we didn't introduce Dmitri. 161 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: S sometimes Dmitri And this is how it should always be. 162 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: Just to be clear, I'm always Dmitri, but I'm always 163 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: sometimes allowed to speak. Yeah, but we like to call 164 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: you sometimes, Dmitri. I appreciate that. I have to say 165 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: last night I spent a lot of hours trying to 166 00:09:55,960 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: understand what happened to Heidi Pluck. I really for a 167 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: little bit of backstory. We talked about this case a 168 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. She left abruptly from one of 169 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: her sons football game or sporting event games, and she 170 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: looked agitated. Her ex husband said she looked agitated. She 171 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: was dating somebody, but that person was out of town. 172 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: And they randomly found her dog in an apartment building 173 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 1: in downtown Los Angeles, and then the that apartment building 174 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: would not let them originally do a search for her, 175 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: and the boyfriend thought that she ghosted him because of 176 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: an argument they had, which is really what happened. She's 177 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: missing and now they just had to They're searching a 178 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: landfill north of Los Angeles where they believe her remains 179 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: to be. Then I feel like there's some information missing. 180 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: She disappeared, they found her dog, they wouldn't let him 181 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: in the building, and now we're searching a landfill somewhere else. 182 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: So this has been over two weeks. I have Google 183 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: Old literally every day, and there was one video of 184 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: her walking her dog that they released, but they did 185 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: not release any tapes from the apartment complex. They didn't 186 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: release anything, Okay, And I think, can I just make 187 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: a weird jump in a conclusion here, I think that 188 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: the police are terrified of every case becoming like a 189 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 1: Gabby Potito case and the Internet hopping on their cases 190 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: and not letting them do their jobs, or people getting 191 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: taken down for not doing not performing well. Like, think 192 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: about how much we think that the police completely botched 193 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:48,079 Speaker 1: the Gabby Potito Brandon laundry case. Yeah, but this is 194 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: a completely different, all right location. I would understand this 195 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: is all the same police department, but this is a 196 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: completely different area. Left us out for so long, and 197 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: it seems kind of odd that they would do that. 198 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,599 Speaker 1: They didn't tell us any information, and the l A 199 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: p D said in a statement that it appears that 200 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: Plank died. It appears that she died and an apartment 201 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: building in downtown l A in a quote unquote incident, 202 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: and forensic evidence found at that building led to a 203 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 1: landfill search. I'm sorry if she's in a landfill. It 204 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: wasn't an incident. That's a murder. It is a murder. 205 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: What are they saying by incident? Like where my head 206 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: went by that phrasing was like maybe there was some 207 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: sort of domestic type abuse situation, like maybe she was 208 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: having a relationship with somebody in that part. I mean, 209 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: this is all. I've completely made this up. I have 210 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: absolutely no idea. I'm thinking that some relationship she was 211 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: having with somebody in this apartment building and things went 212 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 1: I hear that financial fraud and that. But here's where 213 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: it's confusing to me. The man who she worked for, 214 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: who she was having the issues with, who was getting 215 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: in trouble for financial fraud, he was caught leaving like 216 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: donuts or something at her doorstep after she's already been missing. 217 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: So either that's him just covering his basis and trying 218 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:16,439 Speaker 1: to look innocent, or they had that maybe they were 219 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: having a relationship allegedly. Who knows why they were in 220 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: that apartment building. Maybe that's where they were shedding, shredding 221 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: all the files. We don't know. But the point is 222 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: they're not giving us any information. And there is a 223 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: little boy that has no idea what happened to his mother. 224 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: I hear you, But if it was an accident and 225 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:36,959 Speaker 1: someone didn't mean to murder her. They're not going to 226 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: go then dump her body in the landfill, right, But 227 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: is an incident different than accident? But to me, incident 228 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: also downplays it. I'm just like, it's a murder. She 229 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: was murdered. She may not have been murdered at the 230 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: apartment building, is what they're saying. The incident then caused 231 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: the murder later at the landfill in the car. Who knows, 232 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 1: but maybe maybe the tune in next week for Leah 233 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: and Teddy get into a semantics battle, and I think 234 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: that's that's happening this week. I think we're going, oh, um, okay, 235 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:18,679 Speaker 1: you're right. Either way, we don't know. But I am 236 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: upset that her son has no additional information and now 237 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: that it's just sad. I would have also liked to 238 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: have known what the text messages were that she received 239 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: that made her just abruptly leave. I think that when 240 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: they find her body, they will probably disclose more information. Yeah, 241 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: when they find her body and or what they find 242 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: more details on how this happened. But I want to 243 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: know who lives in that apartment building. I want to 244 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: know why and why is that apartment building so protected? 245 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: You know, like, why were they? We can go down 246 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: all the different rabbits know, but I'm like, it's a 247 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: murder case. You're not going to let the police in 248 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: to check the tapes? Wow, maybe they knew something. I 249 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: just also would like to report a crime that just occurred. 250 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: I received a text message from a man I went 251 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: on a date with over two months ago, who never 252 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: took me on a second date and then just said 253 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: just saying, hey, hope you're well lady, Are you kidding me? 254 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: At eleven oh one am that kind of text message? 255 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: What are you doing? I have zero interest in following 256 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: up on that. And also I just just a little 257 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: advice to everyone. We know when you've gone through a 258 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: breakup with someone else, So the circle back is just 259 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: like it's not really a compliment. And if you are 260 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: going to circle back, hold yourself accountable and say like, hey, listen, 261 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: I screwed up by not reaching out to you after 262 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: our first date. I've been thinking about you and I 263 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: actually would like to take you out on a date again. 264 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: Would you be interested, like being like, have some balls? 265 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 1: Don't just half acid like that. Let's call this to 266 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: what this is. Somebody was scrolling through Instagram and saw 267 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: your down because I think this is why I took 268 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: it down. This is the real crime. I think that 269 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: I get a lot of hate when I post anything 270 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: that's sexy on my page because it's normally just comedy 271 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: and turtlenecks, and people have a hard time comprehending it. 272 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: And then I just get a lot of dams from 273 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: dudes being like, oh I would, I would, I'd give whatever, 274 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: you know, just a whole bunch of dude stuff sliding 275 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: it in. And I'm like, you know, I don't really 276 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: want this kind of attention, but don't I. But I 277 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: can tell you this. I have a following of it's 278 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: a six percent men on my Instagram. They're not They're 279 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: not sliding into my d M. So, no matter how 280 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: sexual the photos are, just saying, well, you're married, I 281 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: get it, but I just you know, you're in a 282 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: loving relationship. What is that? Like, Teddy, we'll get that in. 283 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: We're gonna have to talk about that. So public service. 284 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: If you're going to slide into them, compliment her turtlenexska, 285 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: if you're gonna slide into sight, even though she's asked 286 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: us five times already since we started the pod today. 287 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: If we noticed her spray just thought you would notice 288 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: it's I honestly think me spray tanning is the equivalent 289 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 1: of you going brunett. I know that being said, I 290 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: probably I might go back blond soon. Thank you. We'll 291 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: talk about this later after the break. Okay, Bye, I 292 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: mean not by just buy it for right now see 293 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: in a second. Bye for now. All right, guys, we're 294 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 1: back your time. Crime you can talk about Kevin Strickland. 295 00:17:55,920 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: This is so heartbreaking to me. Leah, you your voice 296 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: and give us the rundown. Kevin Strickland comes home after 297 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 1: forty three years behind bars for a crime he didn't commit. 298 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 1: I'm a little sick. I'm sorry if it was a 299 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: weird um, I'm it's okay, Okay, I'm gonna keep going. Okay, 300 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: just so everyone is clear, because there are some people 301 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: who might not know about the case. I'm just gonna 302 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: continue on here. Cynthia Douglas didn't recognize the man holding 303 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: the shotgun the night her boyfriend and best friend were murdered. 304 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: It was around seven thirty pm on a Tuesday evening 305 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: when four men entered Larry Ingram's bungalow in Kansas City, Missouri, 306 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: where Douglas was hanging out with Ingram, her best friend 307 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: Sherry Black, and her boyfriend Jack Walker. Douglas was the 308 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,239 Speaker 1: only one to survive what would later be described as 309 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: an execution style attack. She told police she recognized two 310 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: of the assailants right away, Vincent Bell and kilm Atkins, 311 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: but the other two were a mystery. One was wearing 312 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 1: something like a sack over his head, the other, the 313 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: man holding the shotgun, was short with some facial hair. 314 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: The next day, however, Douglas appears to change her mind. 315 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: She told the cops she thought the man with the 316 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: shotgun might be eighteen year old Kevin Strickland, and acquaintance 317 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 1: of hers. She figured it out after describing the unknown 318 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: assailants to her sister's boyfriend. You know, he told her 319 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: the shirt one sounded like it could be Strickland, who 320 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: lived two houses down from Bell, so to summarize, and 321 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 1: it wasn't until she actually passed away. And he's now 322 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 1: been in prison for, you know, over forty years. That 323 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: the sorry I'm blanking guys, what is it called that? 324 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: The uh? Well, but also yeah, no, but it's a 325 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 1: fund that that reopened the case. Well, just before we 326 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 1: go there, Incence Project, the Innocence Project. But before we 327 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: go there, Douglas realized she was wrong after the conviction 328 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,919 Speaker 1: conviction and tried to get to overturn it, right. She 329 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: tried for so many years, and no one was able 330 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 1: to do it until she actually passed away, and then 331 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:13,239 Speaker 1: the Innocence Project started investigating the case. It's it's so 332 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: crazy to think that someone could say, oh, no, I 333 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 1: made a mistake about convicting someone as a murderer and 334 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 1: then have no one believe her. Right, they believe her 335 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 1: for the first part, and she says I made a mistake, 336 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:25,679 Speaker 1: like well, we don't need to hear about that. Then 337 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 1: they don't want to hear about anymore because they don't 338 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:28,959 Speaker 1: want to have to do the work of, you know, 339 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:33,120 Speaker 1: reinvestigating figuring out who did it. But I mean not 340 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: that this makes up for anything. But even though he 341 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:41,400 Speaker 1: was released and given nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing from 342 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 1: the state, he would receive one point four million from 343 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 1: a go fund me set up by the Missouri Innocence Project. 344 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: And you made an article where he's like so excited 345 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: to like go and buy a tooth, but like little 346 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 1: small things and and started his life to his life 347 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 1: because I mean, he went into eighteen years old for 348 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 1: a crime he did not commit. It's insane. To me. 349 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 1: First of all, one point four million is not enough. 350 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,120 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go out there and say that if 351 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 1: you've been in jail for forty three years for a 352 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: murder you didn't commit, one point four million is abs 353 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 1: I mean, money can't buy time, but it does help. 354 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: But I do think that that's not enough. A B. 355 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 1: What I thought was interesting was the go fund me 356 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: was mostly small donations, which means it was a lot 357 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: of people who couldn't afford a lot but cared, and 358 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: and that I think is really unique and interesting, and 359 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: I mean I feel so bad for him. I mean. 360 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 1: The other reason is that a lot of states give 361 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: money for wrongful conviction. However, Missouri only gives money to 362 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 1: people exonerated by DNA evidence, and since there was no 363 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 1: DNA in his case, I guess it was a technicality, 364 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: but there was any to convict either, which they now 365 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: it's just so fresh training because it's a technicality. That 366 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 1: but more than I mean, it is enough in the 367 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: fact that more than thousand people donate it, So that 368 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: is like incredible that so many beautiful but heartbreaking that 369 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: because of a technicality wasn't able to be more from 370 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 1: the state. I wonder if there'll be an ongoing fund 371 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: for him. There should be, There should be, I mean, 372 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: there should be a lot of There should be a 373 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,719 Speaker 1: lot of things for the for him. But I mean, 374 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting. This is It's like, how do 375 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 1: you how do we think this could be prevented in 376 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: the future. I mean, I think there has to be, uh, 377 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: somebody that because after something terrible happens to your best 378 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: friend and your boyfriend, you have to understand that you 379 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 1: are going through extreme trauma and grief and heartbreak and 380 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: all of these additional things. And if you're only getting 381 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: interrogated and there isn't some sort of therapy and real 382 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: conversations had about the grief, it's heart It's easy to 383 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: make a decision that's incorrect. Like I think, people so 384 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: badly when something terrible happens, so badly want an answer 385 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: that they're going to give the wrong answer just to 386 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: hope for peace. But then they realized that peace isn't 387 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 1: coming because now they've made it worse. That's what happened 388 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 1: in the Amanda Knox case too. I mean they were 389 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: trying to force conclusions and force answers on that case, 390 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 1: and so the Italian government just kept trying to make 391 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: her blame people or give testimonies that weren't real, so 392 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 1: that they just had answers. I mean, this happens a lot. 393 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: This happens a lot, and it's such a shame. I mean, 394 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: do we think that there should be repercussions for cases 395 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:46,919 Speaker 1: like these? Like Who's responsible? I think these are the 396 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: cases that need to be really spoken about. So oftentimes 397 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: we'll talk about not us in general, but like cases 398 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: are shared so much, but like this one is one 399 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: that like should be very eye opening to so many people. 400 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: And to say, wow, if I'm going to say it 401 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: was somebody, I really need to know, I really need 402 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,479 Speaker 1: to know in my heart that what I'm saying is correct, 403 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: because this man lost his entire life over something he 404 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 1: didn't do wrong. But on a more positive note, oh, 405 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: I feel a teddy. Ahmad Arebrey's mother woke up Thursday 406 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: with a new very important blessing on Thanks to Giving Day, 407 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: but there will be an empty chair at her family celebration. 408 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: So I think that a lot of people have heard 409 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 1: about this story and we've all been following it, and um, 410 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: but all three men that were that killed Ahmed are 411 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: Very were convicted of murder and he was just on 412 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: the jog and then he was cornered and killed. And 413 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: I I I believe that they're also be standing trial 414 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:06,880 Speaker 1: for hate crime as well, and they'll all face life 415 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: in prison. Yes, and federal hate crimes trial is scheduled 416 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: for February, so, I mean, I don't they're already scheduled 417 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: to life in prison. But you know, this has been 418 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: such a heartbreaking case. I mean, all of them are. 419 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: But you know, I'm just so glad that justice was 420 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 1: received on this case. I mean, nothing can replace a 421 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: life lost whatsoever. But I hope that this brings a 422 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: little bit of peace to his family. I mean, I 423 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 1: don't know what else to say about that. Yeah, it's 424 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: so I mean, it's so unspeakably sad. But I'm relieved 425 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: that that all three men are going to prison for life. Yeah, 426 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: I'm taking action. Well, speaking of prison for life, Jesus Christ, 427 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: you know, I have to do it. Guys. It's like 428 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,679 Speaker 1: we're moving right through we are. But also speaking of 429 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 1: hate crimes, what Jesse Small. I'm gonna say his name wrong, guys. 430 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: We can't put this in, but somebody say it correctly 431 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:32,719 Speaker 1: for me. Jesse Jesse Yeah, but last okay, take that out. Okay, 432 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: But speaking of hate crimes, what Jesse Smollett's ended up 433 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,120 Speaker 1: doing to the l g B t Q community by 434 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 1: people now assuming that actual victims are lying about attacks 435 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: is heartbreaking. And his trial is starting this week. Do 436 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,120 Speaker 1: you guys want to give like a little I feel 437 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: like everybody knows about this case. But okay, So just 438 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: is an actor on Empire, and its started with him 439 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: reporting that he received a threatening letter that was sent 440 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: to the Fox studio where they were filming Empire, that 441 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: had threatening language and it was laced with a powdery 442 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: substance which investigators later believed was likely Highland l O 443 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: l SO cod So. Then later around two am, maybe 444 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 1: like a week later, near his apartment in Chicago, two 445 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 1: masked assailants poured a quote unquote unknown chemical substance on him, 446 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:45,360 Speaker 1: possibly Bleach, wrapped a rope around his neck and kept 447 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: yelling at him, Maga country, Maga country, which, for those 448 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: of you who are unfamiliar, make America great again, which 449 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: is a president Donald Trump slogan, you have to be 450 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: living under a rock to not know that. But look, 451 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: I don't judge. There are a lot of things that 452 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 1: I do that are judge worthy. I actually think, I mean, 453 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 1: that's pretty much what this podcast is. Yeah, yeah, I'm 454 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 1: judging you if you don't know what Maggi is. Like, 455 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, it's like, have you even watched 456 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 1: from one episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm? All right? So, 457 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,919 Speaker 1: so the Chicago police tweeted, I love that we know 458 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: what people are up to because of Twitter. I mean 459 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: you do. I mean, we knew what the president was 460 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: up to because of Twitter. I almost missed that, Like 461 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: I kind of missed knowing it finds up too because 462 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: he doesn't tweet about it. I'm good with. So. So 463 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 1: the police tweet that they're seeking two persons of interest 464 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: and they've got surveillance video of the scene and the 465 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: alleged attack. Um. Jesse's very emotional about everything and and 466 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: and I think what's interesting is that he keeps saying, 467 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: I have made truthful statements. Oh yeah, I am working 468 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: with authorities and have been factual and consistent on every level. 469 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: When have you ever heard someone say I have been 470 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: telling the truth, like something that happened, and this is 471 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 1: the truth, like something that happened. I'm not leaving anything out. 472 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: There are no lies here. It's like kill prior to 473 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: him being investigated for lying. Um m hmm. That I think. 474 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: I think that that was actually uh. I don't know 475 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 1: if the investigation had. I don't know if the investigation 476 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: had taken a turn yet. But the part that I 477 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: find so confusing is the why. Well, apparently yeah, it's 478 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: because he didn't think he was He got enough attention 479 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: for the letter and it bought there him. So he 480 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: planned this attack with these two men and they were brothers, 481 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 1: and he was paid and they all helped him orchestrate 482 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: and stage the crime. They bought the rope um the 483 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,239 Speaker 1: you know, a hardware store, saying he didn't want to 484 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: even call the police. They found out that they had 485 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 1: paid He had paid these guys, but then he said 486 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 1: he had actually paid them because they were training and 487 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: helping him the nutrition. It was a separate thing. But 488 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: also the police showed up and he was still in 489 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: a news essentially with a rope around his neck, and 490 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 1: they were taping in a video and He's like, no, no, 491 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: don't tape it. Turn the cameras off. And it's interesting 492 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: because essentially what they found through taxs and messages it 493 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: was that they felt it was a publicity stunt to 494 00:30:54,680 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: promote his career and already very polished. That's what don't get. 495 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: You're doing well, you're on a success, you want more, 496 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 1: go yell at your crime. I think eliciting sympathy helps 497 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: in some people's minds. I don't know. I mean, this 498 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 1: is like when my ex sent me a photo of 499 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: him in the hospital, like, were you really in the hospital? 500 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 1: Are you just trying to get me to response? Did 501 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: you just need attention? Did you respond? Yeah, of course. 502 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: But but I know I'm going to jail um. But 503 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: I just think, look, if you're this is the problem 504 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 1: with this is that it makes people less likely to 505 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 1: believe other people who actually are involved in a hate crime. 506 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: And then I think he would probably get let off 507 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: a lot easier than what's actually going to happen because 508 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: he's doubling down on the lie. I have to say, 509 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: this feels like a cry for help. If you were orchestrating, 510 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: it's such a large, like an obvious think about think 511 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 1: about how wrong this could go, which it did. Yeah, 512 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 1: and you're willing to go to that length to get 513 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: some sort of attention something is really wrong. And sure 514 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: because this is happening for real to other people. So 515 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: now you're drawing all this attention away from and making 516 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 1: people got real crime, real real, real, real time. But 517 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: I think I think that he must be super unhappy. 518 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 1: There are some people who are just not happy with 519 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: what they have and because of that, it forces them 520 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: to act out. And this is a severe way of 521 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: acting out that's so hurtful to many communities. And do 522 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: you believe, like, if convicted, he should serve the entire sentence. Yeah, 523 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: I mean he like he's saying this is a home 524 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: of a bit crime. He's saying this is a racist crime. 525 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: He's hurting many communities that are marginalized. And I think 526 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: that he shouldn't get to just get away with it 527 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: because why would he just be able to get away 528 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: with it. Why was it dropped in the first place? 529 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: Was it dropped? Yeah, the initial charges were dropped. That's interesting, 530 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: um for false crime? Because yeah, I'm like, I know 531 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: that he's up for three years in prison, k fine, 532 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 1: which to him, I'm sure is literally nothing. Um, it 533 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 1: is when you won't work again. Yeah yeah, but for 534 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 1: like a star actor. I mean, aren't you making twenty 535 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 1: k week minimum? It's about what we make for this. 536 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: Right before she first um well, at an emergency hearing 537 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: in a Cook County courtroom in Illinois, all criminal charges 538 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: against him were dropped. I don't know how to read. 539 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 1: Thank you for doing that. I'm still learning. Yeah, so, 540 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:12,439 Speaker 1: I mean that's what's confusing to me is now here 541 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 1: we are but the trial started. We're gonna have to 542 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 1: touch back on this case as it continues on, after 543 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 1: things play out, after they released more information. But the 544 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 1: whole thing is very upsetting because obviously, you know, we 545 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: don't need to rehash exactly what we just said, but 546 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 1: you know where we stand on this. Now. We need 547 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: to get to Leah's all time favorite person. We cannot 548 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 1: not talk about Elizabeth Holmes. Wait, let's take a quick 549 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 1: so sorry, we'll take a quick break. But when we 550 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 1: come back, we're talking about kim Ka quickly. Uh sorry, 551 00:34:49,880 --> 00:35:06,800 Speaker 1: not sorry, bye, and neither is Pete Davidson. Yeah. Hello, 552 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: we're back, and I'm ready to talk about kim Kino 553 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: and Teddy if we could check the attitude at the door. 554 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,280 Speaker 1: Thank you. Fine, go ahead and give the little recap 555 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: on Kim k But I really want to get to 556 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,359 Speaker 1: live at home, so you just know we're going there. 557 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,800 Speaker 1: But we'll just breathe through this one. But I will say, 558 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 1: how does Pete Davidson get every girl? Because he's he 559 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,400 Speaker 1: checks in, he checks, He's probably got a big dinger 560 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,320 Speaker 1: like all the things. Big dinger, I think is the answer. 561 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,760 Speaker 1: I think he's a nice, funny guy like I actually 562 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 1: I see his appeal. Yeah, I mean I would I am. 563 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,399 Speaker 1: I mean obviously, without even having a conversation, I don't 564 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,319 Speaker 1: even care if he's a bad person. And you you 565 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: said you're going to grow through this, not blow. I 566 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 1: didn't make any promises. Okay. So if you guys remember 567 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 1: in Kim Kardashian was robbed during Paris Fashion Week. So 568 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: twelve people are now being charged in connection to the robbery, 569 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 1: and this has been a five year investigation. Holy smokes. 570 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,800 Speaker 1: So she was visiting Paris for fashion week in October. 571 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 1: Thieves broke into her hotel room and tied her up 572 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 1: at gunpoint before locking her in the bathroom. First of all, hot, 573 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: Second of all, I'm like oh no, they tied me up. 574 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,399 Speaker 1: Um you guys, can you guys cut that noise out 575 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,360 Speaker 1: of my head hitting the microphone? I can't. I'm sorry. 576 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 1: This just sounds like it's about to turn into the 577 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 1: sequel of Ray j Um. I'm going to jail. Okay 578 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:44,240 Speaker 1: in a second. For I was like, you know, okay. 579 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 1: So so then essentially what happens is all of her 580 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 1: jewelry is stolen. Two diamond Cartier bracelets, a golden diamond 581 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 1: Jacob necklace, Lauren Schwartz diamond earrings, a gold rolex, among 582 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 1: many other items. Total to be ten million value, ten 583 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 1: million big ones. I always ten minimum. Yeah, and that's 584 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 1: just the cash I have on hand. So, she said 585 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,040 Speaker 1: that she managed to squeeze her hands out of the 586 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 1: plastic ties by wriggling her hands so hot, and she 587 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,880 Speaker 1: said she went to the balcony and screamed for help 588 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 1: to break free. Everyone is shaking their heads at me. 589 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 1: That's fine. I feel like we're doing subtly. Hey, I 590 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,840 Speaker 1: feel like the story. You know, we can wrap this 591 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 1: up in twenty seconds. It's not kim kay, it's about me. 592 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:47,799 Speaker 1: How would we realized that yet? Anyway? Anyway, uh So, 593 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,880 Speaker 1: the only thing that was recovered was a diamond and 594 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 1: crusted crossed valued at thirty thousand. So pretty sure we're 595 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,320 Speaker 1: not happy at that being the only item we got back, 596 00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:00,360 Speaker 1: but I'm sure Kim has insurance. So twelve people are 597 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,839 Speaker 1: going to be on trial soon for that. And that's that. 598 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,400 Speaker 1: I just really wanted to talk about how hot I 599 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 1: thought that was. I did not think that was hot. 600 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 1: It's frightening. I but also, don't travel with tin K. 601 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 1: Post videos where you are it's I mean, not tin 602 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 1: K ten million. That's where this is where our financial 603 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,719 Speaker 1: differences are showing. Me and Pink like, don't travel with 604 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:26,919 Speaker 1: tin K, and I'm like, don't travel with ten dollars um. 605 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,359 Speaker 1: But when you talk about it, you guys, they're both 606 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,760 Speaker 1: wearing black turtlenecks. Can we please talk about his beard 607 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: gives the effect of a turtleneck. You may as well 608 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:42,760 Speaker 1: be wearing a turtleneck because and Teddy just has ten necks. 609 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:47,720 Speaker 1: I have ten nights leven with a turtle like I can't. 610 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 1: I'm actually I'm quite upset with a turtleneck. The other night, 611 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,200 Speaker 1: I went to Kyle's holiday party and I wore a 612 00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 1: turtleneck and it started bugging me so much that I 613 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 1: had to go in and use her eyebrow scissors and 614 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 1: like cut the side because it was so tight on 615 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,319 Speaker 1: my own. Next, I was like off those of you 616 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 1: that listened to a lot of news and don't know 617 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,479 Speaker 1: all the details of everyone's lives. She means her friend 618 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 1: Kyle Richard's not Kyle Rittenhouse. Not true. Not yeah, sorry, 619 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,399 Speaker 1: sorry guys if you're not following me on the ground 620 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 1: and don't know my every step. Um Elizabeth Holmes dropped 621 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 1: out of Stanford at nineteen to start Therapness, a blood 622 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:25,200 Speaker 1: testing startup. She grew its value to nine billion billion, 623 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 1: So guys, don't go to a Paris Fashion Week with 624 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,480 Speaker 1: nine billion dollars jewelry. Don't do that either. Later, technology 625 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,080 Speaker 1: flaws were exposed and their nos and Homes were charged 626 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:39,239 Speaker 1: with massive fraud. As she awaited trial, Homes reportedly found 627 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:43,239 Speaker 1: the time to get engaged, get married, and have a baby. 628 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,240 Speaker 1: Jury selection for holmes fraud trial began this past Tuesday, 629 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,320 Speaker 1: and she could face up to twenty years in prison. 630 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,759 Speaker 1: You guys, First off, the reason we're talking about the 631 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 1: um turtlenecks so much is she was obsessed with Steve 632 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,920 Speaker 1: Jobs and so she wanted to kind of give that 633 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,080 Speaker 1: same allure where she wore the same thing every single day. 634 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,279 Speaker 1: I mean, granted, I wear an Allo track suit every 635 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,720 Speaker 1: single day, and I'm not trying to channel to Steve Jobs. 636 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 1: It's just like who I am. I'm also trying to 637 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:16,160 Speaker 1: emulate Steve Jobs my own twelve black turtlenecks, not joking, 638 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 1: short sleeved dresses, crop tops. Yeah, I mean, that's that's who. 639 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 1: That's who Leah is. But this woman is it's fascinating. One. 640 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:31,520 Speaker 1: I know that my voice isn't pleasing to all ears 641 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:37,000 Speaker 1: her voice the sex level. I started watching the documentary 642 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 1: yesterday and I had to take myself back because I 643 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,399 Speaker 1: had almost forgotten what her voice sounded like, Well, it's 644 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 1: a fake voice. What why would you say it's a 645 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,440 Speaker 1: fake voice? I mean, I didn't realize Mira Sorvino was 646 00:40:50,440 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 1: playing her. She did. She's like, yeah, it's Sarah nos 647 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 1: Oh Tharaohns. And the beauty about her is everybody said 648 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,200 Speaker 1: that interviewed her, from like every Vanity Fair article to 649 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,440 Speaker 1: Forbes to all of them, is that when she was 650 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,560 Speaker 1: talking about anything other than their nos, she was like 651 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,000 Speaker 1: not really paying attention. She couldn't answer the questions, but theirness. 652 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,840 Speaker 1: It was like the script every single time, obviously because 653 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,440 Speaker 1: it was a fraud and she didn't know what she 654 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:30,400 Speaker 1: was doing and ultimately ends up blaming her. Do you 655 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 1: call him the boyfriend? Call him the boyfriend? Ex president, 656 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,040 Speaker 1: the company president of her company who she met when 657 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,440 Speaker 1: she was younger, and she said that she was controlled 658 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:44,960 Speaker 1: and abused by him, Sonny, she was eighteen and he 659 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,760 Speaker 1: was thirty eight when they met. That is correct. However, 660 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,640 Speaker 1: in any of the video things that I saw, it 661 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,000 Speaker 1: seems like she was running the show. I'm so sorry, 662 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 1: but I just wanna, like, you know, Dmitri felt like 663 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,520 Speaker 1: it was really important for everyone to know that wanted 664 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 1: everyone to know the age gap, because you're talking about 665 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:09,040 Speaker 1: controlling situation that she's claiming she was manipulated, controlled by him, 666 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,000 Speaker 1: And I think when you have that age difference at 667 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,280 Speaker 1: that age that plays, that makes it sadly more believable. 668 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,799 Speaker 1: So I'm just I don't think that's the whole thing, 669 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,640 Speaker 1: but I think there had to have been I think 670 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,359 Speaker 1: there was probably some of that, but I don't think 671 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,959 Speaker 1: her hands are clean because of that. Well, she also 672 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,520 Speaker 1: said she dropped out of Stanford because she was raped 673 00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,520 Speaker 1: at and she wanted to change the world, and she 674 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,680 Speaker 1: wanted to build her own company and change her life 675 00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,719 Speaker 1: that way and and change the world. But then you 676 00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,800 Speaker 1: have to say, while changing the world, she was actually 677 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,440 Speaker 1: hurting so many people by giving them false tests. I 678 00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:52,120 Speaker 1: call faranos. Fanos must be stopped. Have to collect all 679 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:56,600 Speaker 1: the rings. I mean truly, I mean they that their 680 00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:00,760 Speaker 1: technologies were flawed. They it was massive odd. They weren't 681 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,759 Speaker 1: able to do any of the testing that they said 682 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,560 Speaker 1: they were doing. They promised to have to revolutionize blood 683 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:12,960 Speaker 1: testing and the entire industry. It's just a single finger prick, right, 684 00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,960 Speaker 1: They could just take a few drops of blood, eliminating 685 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,440 Speaker 1: the need for large needles and vials of blood sitting 686 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,960 Speaker 1: there being uncomfortable in the doctor's chair in the hospital 687 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,040 Speaker 1: wherever you are, and that they could run They could 688 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,400 Speaker 1: find over two health conditions with just a couple droplets 689 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:36,319 Speaker 1: of the blood and a Walgreens and then manipulate. So 690 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,160 Speaker 1: then people are coming into Walgreens thinking they're getting this 691 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,879 Speaker 1: finger prick and then they're like, oh, actually the way 692 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,080 Speaker 1: your doctor called it in was through I V so 693 00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,279 Speaker 1: you actually have to do this. So It's like, not 694 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,520 Speaker 1: only could they not give a straight answer on how 695 00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:54,080 Speaker 1: many finger pricks they actually did, but they were you know, 696 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,680 Speaker 1: having to do the IVY. But also this is the 697 00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,200 Speaker 1: part that gives me the most, just people that consistently 698 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,520 Speaker 1: need to get their had taken because they have medical 699 00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:05,920 Speaker 1: conditions would go get their blood taken from them, and 700 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,440 Speaker 1: that it would be completely different diagnostics because it was 701 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,800 Speaker 1: all made up and the people in this lab. The 702 00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,919 Speaker 1: part that really hit home to me was the one 703 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,479 Speaker 1: of the researchers or somebody that worked in the lab 704 00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,520 Speaker 1: was saying how there was such a difference between the 705 00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,719 Speaker 1: tile side and the carpet side, So anybody that worked 706 00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:28,040 Speaker 1: at their nos that worked on the tile side knew 707 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,040 Speaker 1: what they were doing was a complete fraud, and they 708 00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,560 Speaker 1: were trying to wrap their heads around these you know, 709 00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,359 Speaker 1: terrible things that they were telling their patients. But then 710 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,399 Speaker 1: they'd go over to the carpet side, where everybody idolized 711 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,879 Speaker 1: her and made her out to be, you know, like 712 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:46,719 Speaker 1: this genius, this savant, like this incredible person, and she's 713 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,440 Speaker 1: pretending that she knew none of that was going on. Meanwhile, 714 00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,080 Speaker 1: like they're like they're playing like the champ is here, 715 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,400 Speaker 1: she like comes through the aisles to like pretend she 716 00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,200 Speaker 1: doesn't know what's going on her own business, she said 717 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:08,800 Speaker 1: Jesse small of blood testing. But wow, honestly, very good, Dmitri, 718 00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:13,640 Speaker 1: very good. After she found out for everything, she still 719 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,520 Speaker 1: like was it was it Vanity Fair that came and 720 00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:21,000 Speaker 1: did the interview with her, and they took all like 721 00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,600 Speaker 1: she still didn't realize she was in trouble, Like she 722 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,439 Speaker 1: still kept up the lie. She still kept it going. 723 00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:31,840 Speaker 1: And it's almost like she doesn't know the reality is 724 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:36,120 Speaker 1: what the reporter was saying. She can't even understand what 725 00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:40,200 Speaker 1: actual reality is. I don't believe that to be true. 726 00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,680 Speaker 1: I don't think. I think that there are people that 727 00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,840 Speaker 1: are so deep in their lies. Sure, maybe she believes 728 00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,160 Speaker 1: her lies, but I think that there are people that 729 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:57,080 Speaker 1: are so pathologically unwell. She's a pathological liar and a 730 00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:02,680 Speaker 1: sociopath too, to lie to so many investors and never 731 00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,160 Speaker 1: have the technology. First of all, if you have that 732 00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:11,719 Speaker 1: much money, higher better engineers, you know, like, how how 733 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,400 Speaker 1: did they just falls so short? Because she would have 734 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,680 Speaker 1: had to admit she didn't know what she was designing. 735 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,160 Speaker 1: He had no idea what she was doing, but neither 736 00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,520 Speaker 1: did Steve Jobs, and he took a lot of credit 737 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,080 Speaker 1: for other people's work. So maybe she really was the 738 00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:32,160 Speaker 1: Steve Jobs of blood testing. Well, she's obviously she's a 739 00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:36,000 Speaker 1: real smooth talker because guess who's not not single? Hello? 740 00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,760 Speaker 1: She got a trust fund baby who I who also 741 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:45,520 Speaker 1: admired her always to marry her. They're still living their 742 00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:49,440 Speaker 1: best life on the Graham There there's been some sluice 743 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,000 Speaker 1: that's found pictures of them were like they are. I mean, 744 00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:53,799 Speaker 1: she's about to come up for trash. She could face 745 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,279 Speaker 1: up to twenty years in prison. Yeah, but don't you 746 00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,239 Speaker 1: think the timing is interesting that she was about to 747 00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,960 Speaker 1: go on trial and then suddenly she was pregnant and 748 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,280 Speaker 1: they bought her almost a year. I bought her almost 749 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,680 Speaker 1: a year. We were going to go on trial and 750 00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,640 Speaker 1: possibly never be able to see your child for twenty years. 751 00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:13,640 Speaker 1: Would you want to be pregnant? I wouldn't. I don't 752 00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,600 Speaker 1: think she looks like that. I think she looks at it. Okay, 753 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,239 Speaker 1: there's gonna be a jury and they're gonna see this 754 00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,200 Speaker 1: cold woman or they're going to see a mom. Yeah, 755 00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,720 Speaker 1: they they're they're trying to make her look human, and 756 00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:25,640 Speaker 1: you know, I know that she gave a very emotional 757 00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:29,839 Speaker 1: testimony about being psychologically, emotionally and sexually abused by this man. 758 00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:40,880 Speaker 1: And I it's hard for me because you know, as 759 00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:46,560 Speaker 1: as a kid, I always grew up really fearing authority figures, 760 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,719 Speaker 1: and then when I got into college, I started having 761 00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:54,800 Speaker 1: crushes on teachers, and I thought that that was normal. 762 00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,960 Speaker 1: But there's a power dynamic there that becomes very obvious, 763 00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:04,440 Speaker 1: and I think that there's a level of giving into it. 764 00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:10,000 Speaker 1: I think that you can decide to do it or 765 00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,480 Speaker 1: decide not to do it. Well, I think it depends 766 00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,800 Speaker 1: on the circumstance, um, but I mean I think so too. 767 00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:20,960 Speaker 1: But also, you know, there's a level of integrity and 768 00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,960 Speaker 1: if you're saying your mission statement in a business is 769 00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,759 Speaker 1: to change the world and change people's lives because of 770 00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:32,000 Speaker 1: what happened with your grandfather, and that's your mission statement, 771 00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,279 Speaker 1: then you should be able to own up to at 772 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,839 Speaker 1: least that portion of it. If your mission statement is, 773 00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:39,680 Speaker 1: you know, I want to make as much money as 774 00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,719 Speaker 1: I possibly can and do as many tests as I 775 00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,440 Speaker 1: possibly can. Okay, maybe you could understand it a little differently, 776 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:51,439 Speaker 1: but it's too such different things that she's doing that 777 00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,440 Speaker 1: it's really hard to wrap your head around it, and 778 00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:58,640 Speaker 1: especially because she's still not taking ownership, like she still 779 00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:04,640 Speaker 1: was trying to release in Edison as her own Sarah 780 00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:08,080 Speaker 1: knows Blood. Like there was just so many lies that 781 00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:09,960 Speaker 1: you just don't know what to believe and how do 782 00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,600 Speaker 1: you decipher the lies. But I think the it's just 783 00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:18,160 Speaker 1: wild that this is all finally coming forward. But it's 784 00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,759 Speaker 1: I just think fascinating person I can say that it's fascinating. 785 00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,920 Speaker 1: And she also had none of her former employees or 786 00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,359 Speaker 1: any of her colleagues come to her wedding. So if 787 00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,520 Speaker 1: it was really this guy that was the massive manipulator 788 00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,080 Speaker 1: and he was doing all of this, but you had 789 00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,759 Speaker 1: your entire rest of your business that knew that, or 790 00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,319 Speaker 1: any anybody that still trust you, why weren't they there? 791 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,200 Speaker 1: Why wasn't anybody there from your entire you know, time 792 00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,719 Speaker 1: doing it? I mean, I know that there were a 793 00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,759 Speaker 1: lot of locked doors there because they didn't want people 794 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,279 Speaker 1: knowing what was going on. And you know, when the 795 00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:57,400 Speaker 1: company dissolved in twenty eighteen and they started facing several 796 00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,360 Speaker 1: civil and criminal federal probes, um they reached a settlement 797 00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:05,600 Speaker 1: with the SEC for five thousand dollars. She did not 798 00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,719 Speaker 1: actually admit or deny the charges, She just paid it off. 799 00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,799 Speaker 1: I think Ms Holmes is about to be Miss Holmes list. 800 00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, which 801 00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,640 Speaker 1: is why we're going to have to keep you posted 802 00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:25,560 Speaker 1: on the next Real Time crime, because, guys, as much 803 00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:27,600 Speaker 1: as I want to talk about her, for I could 804 00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,439 Speaker 1: honestly go on and on and I know, I could 805 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,840 Speaker 1: talk about Elizabeth Holmes Lee it could talk about herself 806 00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,319 Speaker 1: and we could never end this book. No, No, there's 807 00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,960 Speaker 1: just so many there are so many plot points that 808 00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,520 Speaker 1: I know, I know. Can we talk about her more 809 00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,040 Speaker 1: next week? Yeah? We have to. We don't have a 810 00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,440 Speaker 1: choice because I will wear black turtleneck and will be 811 00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,239 Speaker 1: brought up in conversation. I'll even show all my next 812 00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,040 Speaker 1: But can you guys do us a favor and call 813 00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,880 Speaker 1: in and ask us any questions you have in regards 814 00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,120 Speaker 1: to Elizabeth Holmes, do your phone number, Leah, do your 815 00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:00,000 Speaker 1: phone number? Oh my god, I thought you never asked. 816 00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,840 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Teddy. This is my joy, my 817 00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:07,160 Speaker 1: pride and joy. Eight six six twenty one crime. It's 818 00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:11,720 Speaker 1: six six twenty one crime. It's six six two one two, seven, 819 00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,400 Speaker 1: four six three call us feel free to leave a 820 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:20,560 Speaker 1: voicemail and real Time Crime. Um, yeah, I don't know. 821 00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,080 Speaker 1: I just thought it would be fun to try it out, 822 00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:27,200 Speaker 1: and honestly, Italy hurts. Where where are your night? While 823 00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,040 Speaker 1: you're listening? Alright, one turtle Nick. You know, it's also 824 00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,239 Speaker 1: kind of just sounds like uh stoner bro from like 825 00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,880 Speaker 1: the nineties. I also now want to go back and 826 00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:39,040 Speaker 1: watch Roumie and Michelle. That's your tonight. I think we're 827 00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:46,320 Speaker 1: literally think we're bye guys, bye. It's real time grad, 828 00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:52,440 Speaker 1: real time grad. I mean, is it actually real time 829 00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,000 Speaker 1: I'm solving anything? Or is that just the thing we say, 830 00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,360 Speaker 1: it's a thing we say, got it? Okay, see you 831 00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,160 Speaker 1: next week for more Real Time crime, only on I 832 00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:00,960 Speaker 1: Heart Radio