Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome into the cycle. I'm Ryan Warmley, joined
Speaker 1: as always by Mike Mayer. We are talking a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of stuff today on rounding the bass. We're gonna
Speaker 1: talk a little chase Birds. We're gotsually gonna talk a
Speaker 1: lot of rookies here as we do a little bit
Speaker 1: of a second half buy or sell, and you're just
Speaker 1: warning to everybody there's way too many rookies, so we
Speaker 1: are not talking about all of them, because otherwise we'd
Speaker 1: be here for about seven hours, So we're going through that.
Speaker 1: We'll be talking some news notes and injuries, some unfortunate
Speaker 1: ones there for us, particularly for many of my fantasy teams,
Speaker 1: some unfortunate injury updates. And then I also wanted to
Speaker 1: take some time to talk a little bit about cal
Speaker 1: Raley just because he's awesome and I don't think we
Speaker 1: talk enough about him on the show, and what he's
Speaker 1: doing so far this year is So that's kind of
Speaker 1: what we have on the docket here.
Speaker 2: Mayor. This is our last.
Speaker 1: Show in June. So we are like halfway through the
Speaker 1: baseball season. How are you feeling at the midway point.
Speaker 3: I think we're almost exactly halfway through the baseball season.
Speaker 3: I think y're close to exactly a couple of teams
Speaker 3: already at eighty one, and you know a few others
Speaker 3: will hit it obviously this weekend, and I will just say,
Speaker 3: I'm willing to do seven hours. If you're willing to
Speaker 3: do seven hours and talk about all these rookies, we
Speaker 3: can do it. Production might not be happy, but we can.
Speaker 1: Don't tap me with a good time. How are your
Speaker 1: teams doing?
Speaker 2: Here? Kind of halfway point?
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not sure how many leagues are in actually,
Speaker 1: but of the leagues are in that you can recall
Speaker 1: off the top of your head, how are they performing.
Speaker 3: I'm in like nine leagues. I think it's kind of
Speaker 3: been the same answer for me the last month or so.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm in a couple of rota leagues where I'm
Speaker 3: just doing atrocious, and then pretty much all of my
Speaker 3: head to head leagues I'm doing fairly well. I'm like,
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously the one keepers slash Dynasty league with
Speaker 3: you where I took over that one team and I'm
Speaker 3: kind of like hanging on, like you know, doing pretty well.
Speaker 3: I'm in another dynasty league where I did not expect
Speaker 3: to do that. Well, this year, I thought I would
Speaker 3: kind of have like a middle of the road team
Speaker 3: and like be able to like maybe fight my way
Speaker 3: in the playoffs. And I'm like comfortably in first place.
Speaker 3: And I don't understand how, because i just keep looking
Speaker 3: at this roster and I'm like, I shouldn't be this good,
Speaker 3: but you know, I'll take it. It's kind of the
Speaker 3: opposite of a lot of the other times when you
Speaker 3: draft the team and you're like, this team is great
Speaker 3: and then it doesn't go well. I'm kind of doing
Speaker 3: the opposite in that league, so calling them all over
Speaker 3: the place. But you know, when you're in enough leagues,
Speaker 3: some are going to be bad. Some we're gonna be good, hopefully,
Speaker 3: and so I have enough good to keep me happy
Speaker 3: for a little while.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I dialed back my fantasy leagues this year, so
Speaker 1: I'm only in four. I just felt like that was
Speaker 1: gonna be better for me to be able to really
Speaker 1: focus on them.
Speaker 2: One of them.
Speaker 1: My team is like the best team I've ever had
Speaker 1: in any fantasy league. I'm like in rode Oh, I'm
Speaker 1: up by like twenty points over second place. It's like
Speaker 1: utterly dominant, which is awesome. It's of course for no money.
Speaker 1: One of the other weeks I've been we're about to
Speaker 1: you know, this is the last week of the regular
Speaker 1: season because of the way we do our schedule here
Speaker 1: at or and so that's I'm fighting for a playoff
Speaker 1: spot in that one, the Dynasty League with you My
Speaker 1: team is very good, definitely a contender, but not the
Speaker 1: best team in that league, but you know good and
Speaker 1: you know we'll fight for it.
Speaker 2: See how we do in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: But then the other one is the one with Dan
Speaker 1: Harris his league, where I started off in like second
Speaker 1: or third place for most of the first couple of months,
Speaker 1: and now I've fallen off and I literally have too
Speaker 1: many players on IL. Two for my bench and IL
Speaker 1: spots combined are entirely clear players who are injured to
Speaker 1: the point where I am starting players on IL in
Speaker 1: my starting line because I can't drop a lot of
Speaker 1: these players because they're too good or at least good
Speaker 1: enough that I want to hold on to them. And
Speaker 1: it's just I've completely fallen off. I'm in like, you know,
Speaker 1: fourth or third from the bottom now because because of
Speaker 1: injuries in that league.
Speaker 3: So that hasn't been very You're done, You're down here,
Speaker 3: you're done near me.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I'm better than you, and Kelly thinks.
Speaker 3: You're better than me.
Speaker 2: But for now, for now, yeah, now.
Speaker 1: All right, let's shove into the first topic here, which
Speaker 1: is Chase Burns. Like this is a couple of days ago,
Speaker 1: but I you know, it was very fun watching him
Speaker 1: in those first couple of innings, such an electric debut
Speaker 1: that I felt I really did want to hit on him.
Speaker 1: You are somebody who has Chase Burns in a lot
Speaker 1: of places. He's also somebody that I recommended everybody pick
Speaker 1: up last week, like just before they announced he was
Speaker 1: going to be coming up to make his debut.
Speaker 2: So that worked out very well for me.
Speaker 1: I've had a lot of bad calls in the waivers
Speaker 1: recommendation segment, so that was a nice one too to
Speaker 1: seemingly hit on. And what a debut right strike out
Speaker 1: the first five batters he faced in his debut against
Speaker 1: the Yankees like an actually good team. He was the
Speaker 1: first player in the Expansion era at least to strike
Speaker 1: out the first five hitters that he.
Speaker 2: Faced in his major league career.
Speaker 1: He ultimately ended up allowing some more runs after that,
Speaker 1: but five innings, six hits, no walks, three earned runs,
Speaker 1: eight strikeouts again against the Yankees.
Speaker 2: Just really, really good.
Speaker 1: There's a reason he was the top pitching prospect in baseball.
Speaker 1: A lot of his minor league stats looked like relatively
Speaker 1: similar to Paul Skeens' minor league stats. Like I'm not
Speaker 1: saying he is skiings, but this was as a lead
Speaker 1: of a pitching prospect as you can get outside of
Speaker 1: like a guy that was being compared to the greatest
Speaker 1: pitching prospects ever. And if you have him in any
Speaker 1: kind of heabor format, you should be really excited. And
Speaker 1: I think you should be excited to have him in
Speaker 1: the second half here. There has already been kind of
Speaker 1: talked about they're going to limit his innings after the
Speaker 1: All Star break, but I think the ratio numbers and
Speaker 1: these strikeouts are going to be good enough that even
Speaker 1: if he doesn't get as many wins because he's not
Speaker 1: going deep into games and he maybe you know, in
Speaker 1: a points format, he's not getting this on innings, I
Speaker 1: think he'll still be very worth having on your team.
Speaker 1: That's how good he looked. I am buying into the
Speaker 1: hype right away. What was going through your mind watching
Speaker 1: his debut?
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of the same stuff. You know. It
Speaker 3: was I was kind of hoping that he would debut
Speaker 3: against someone without, you know, such a potent offense. But
Speaker 3: he came out and like did not look afraid, like
Speaker 3: you said, struck out the first five people, five batters
Speaker 3: to face, including Aaron Judge, and it was just like
Speaker 3: high velocity. He was like, you know, flirting with triple digits,
Speaker 3: really high, aggressive slider that looked really good and was
Speaker 3: playing off his fastball, and he also like has a
Speaker 3: decent curveball they didn't really use, and so I think
Speaker 3: we can see more of that and kind of like
Speaker 3: that next iteration from him. The Paul Skeins Canson is
Speaker 3: interesting for a number of reasons because he's also he's
Speaker 3: following a very similar trajectory where the Pirates drafted Paul Skeens.
Speaker 3: And then a lot of times when you see a player,
Speaker 3: especially a pitcher drafted, they kind of like let them
Speaker 3: debut a little bit, like because it's it's kind of
Speaker 3: a weird time to get drafted in baseball, right, You
Speaker 3: get drafted in the middle of the season, and so
Speaker 3: a lot of times players get drafted and they'll like
Speaker 3: debut that last month and like get their feet wet,
Speaker 3: whereas the Pirates just kind of like shut Paul Skins down.
Speaker 3: They're like Melvisie in next year. The Reds did the
Speaker 3: same thing with Chase Burns. He did not he was
Speaker 3: drafted in the first round last year, did not pitch
Speaker 3: last year, and so it's kind of crazy that he
Speaker 3: debuted this year in High A and he's you know,
Speaker 3: it's June and he's already in the big leagues. He
Speaker 3: just kind of flew through the minor leagues, showed pretty
Speaker 3: much immediately that he was ready, and then gets to
Speaker 3: the big leagues and once again looks like he's ready.
Speaker 3: And again similar to Paul Skeens, where he you know,
Speaker 3: we saw his his innings limited, but the innings that
Speaker 3: you did get were really good, and they kind of
Speaker 3: stretched him out kind of all the way through the
Speaker 3: whole season just by kind of limiting his innings here
Speaker 3: and there. We're probably going to see the same thing
Speaker 3: from the Reds, who you know, we'll see how they
Speaker 3: do with the second half.
Speaker 1: If he finishes the second half, let's say at seventy
Speaker 1: five percent of the production that you saw from Paul
Speaker 1: Skins a year ago, because like, I don't want to
Speaker 1: say he's going to be Paul Skins in the second half.
Speaker 1: That's like putting way too much on anybody. But let's
Speaker 1: say he's like seventy five percent of that. Where do
Speaker 1: you think you'll be ranking Burns and your starting pitcher
Speaker 1: rankings going into next season?
Speaker 3: Ooh, that's interesting next season. So this season I already
Speaker 3: moved him up pretty aggressively into.
Speaker 1: I was going to ask about this season too, But
Speaker 1: I'm curious what we think of him when we get
Speaker 1: to the point where we're not expecting an ings limit.
Speaker 3: I mean assuming, Like so you're saying, like seventy five
Speaker 3: percent of Paul Skians like production.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I'm saying he's very good in the second half,
Speaker 1: but he's not like, holy cow, this is the new
Speaker 1: best pitcher in baseball good.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think the top of the sp market
Speaker 3: is also kind of interesting, and it's in flux. There
Speaker 3: are some questions about some of the pictures at the top,
Speaker 3: like a Cole Reagan's. I think there's some question marks.
Speaker 3: Now I don't know that Zach Gowen was in that
Speaker 3: top tier, but there's a lot of questions about Zach Gowen.
Speaker 3: Now he does not look very good school. I'm basically
Speaker 3: taking the long road to saying I think there's a
Speaker 3: really good chance he's an sp one going in the
Speaker 3: next year. No, I don't think. I don't see him
Speaker 3: overtaking Scooble schemes, Crochet Wheeler, Yamamoto, assuming they all stay healthy,
Speaker 3: of course. Sure, and then you know there's like that
Speaker 3: franber Valdez tier Hunter Brown looks really good. He looks
Speaker 3: like he's going to be a locked in sp one
Speaker 3: headed in the next year. And then he get into
Speaker 3: like Logan web Logan, Gilbert Michael King. I feel Jaspern's
Speaker 3: could give me right there. I think, all.
Speaker 1: Right to where is he the rest of the season
Speaker 1: now for this year, knowing the kind of limited innings, I.
Speaker 3: Just ad updated my rankings the other day, so I
Speaker 3: have him thirty six, which is it's kind of putting
Speaker 3: into consideration like we're probably going to see some innings limitations,
Speaker 3: and I you know, I reserved the right to move
Speaker 3: him up, but you know, I had to move him
Speaker 3: into like my top forty pretty much immediately.
Speaker 1: Last question on Chase Burns, and by the way, I
Speaker 1: can't remember who it was. I wanted to credit them,
Speaker 1: but somebody made the comparison to at least those first
Speaker 1: few innings. We're very similar to Steven Strasburg's debut against
Speaker 1: the Pirates, you know, fifteen years ago, and I like
Speaker 1: remember watching that. I actually had tickets to go to
Speaker 1: that game and ended up not going, which I've told
Speaker 1: that story on the show before.
Speaker 2: Hugely, hugely annoying to me.
Speaker 1: Didn't finish the same way that Strasburg's out against the
Speaker 1: Pirates did, but that start, I think that is actually
Speaker 1: a pretty similar experience to Holy Cow. Like we knew
Speaker 1: who this guy was. It's not like an out of nowhere,
Speaker 1: but like even better than you could have expected for him.
Speaker 1: Is there anybody I could offer in our Dynasty league
Speaker 1: to pry Chase Burns from you?
Speaker 3: I mean probably, Let's see. So I actually updated my
Speaker 3: Dynasty rankings the other day and moved him up to
Speaker 3: SP fourteen, and I feel like that was really aggressive,
Speaker 3: But I also tried to put myself like, you can't
Speaker 3: just like move someone to like number one just because
Speaker 3: they're like a young top pitching prospect. But yeah, I
Speaker 3: also try to like think realistically in these leagues, like
Speaker 3: if I have Chase Burns. What is it going to
Speaker 3: take to get him from me? And it's gonna take
Speaker 3: Paul Skins, Schooble, Crochet, Logan, Gilbert Yamamoto like, and here's
Speaker 3: an interesting what about Spencer Strider? Like, are you down
Speaker 3: enough on Spencer Striyder that you're willing to flip like
Speaker 3: in Dynasty Burns given the arm history with Stryder.
Speaker 2: Good one.
Speaker 1: Actually, I don't know. I don't know how I would
Speaker 1: answer that one off the top of my head.
Speaker 3: I technically still have Strider ahead of Burns, but like,
Speaker 3: that's how aggressively I moved Burns up.
Speaker 1: My initial reaction to that is Stryder I would rather have.
Speaker 1: But I think I think Burns is good enough that
Speaker 1: given the arm history with Strider, I'm thinking about it.
Speaker 3: So here, this isn't our next segment, so it's not
Speaker 3: a perfect segue. But I just I flipped over into
Speaker 3: to my overall rankings, and I have, based on how
Speaker 3: it grades out, I have him at fifty six overall,
Speaker 3: which could even be a little bit higher. Number fifty five.
Speaker 2: Cal Raley Interesting, Yeah, well, we'll get to cal Raleigh
Speaker 2: a little bit later.
Speaker 1: We've got some rookies coming up before that, and Chase
Speaker 1: Burns obviously among that group.
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Speaker 1: your prize. All right, let's do a little second half
Speaker 1: buy Er Sell Rookie Edition. We simply cannot go through
Speaker 1: every rookie in baseball because you and I like to
Speaker 1: talk a little longer about these, and there's just no
Speaker 1: way that we could make it.
Speaker 2: The all of them.
Speaker 1: And even we wrote down eighteen names, and then you
Speaker 1: were telling me that as you were was it watching
Speaker 1: a game or something the other day or look at
Speaker 1: something you were like, there was even more names we
Speaker 1: didn't write down, and just like the list could have
Speaker 1: gone on and on, there's just a ton of them.
Speaker 1: In baseball right now, or at least some of them
Speaker 1: have been up and are currently in the minors. But
Speaker 1: some of the mentions of the names that we're not
Speaker 1: going to have time to really dive into on this segment.
Speaker 1: Chase Burns, So we obviously just talked about and I
Speaker 1: think clearly both of us are buying Christian Campbell, Chandler Simpson,
Speaker 1: who's back in the in the big leagues, Roman Anthony,
Speaker 1: Jacob Wilson, Dylan Cruz, Brady House, Marcella Meyer, Kobe Mayo,
Speaker 1: Matt Shaw, Chase Mydraf. I think these are for different
Speaker 1: reasons for some of these guys. Some of them are
Speaker 1: we pretty much know what to expect from a guy
Speaker 1: like Chandler Simpson when he's in the big leagues is
Speaker 1: a lot of stolen bases, you know, reasonable average, no
Speaker 1: power like that. We're already aware of what that is.
Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna be talking about a guy like
Speaker 1: Roman Anthony a little bit later in today's show. You know,
Speaker 1: some of these like Kobe Mayo, like I think it's
Speaker 1: easy to sell, so like some of these were like
Speaker 1: pretty Jacob Wilson the opposite, right, Like we're all pretty
Speaker 1: much generally buying Jacob Wilson, so kind of speeding through those,
Speaker 1: but just want to do at least mention them that,
Speaker 1: like we didn't forget those guys existed, you know, on
Speaker 1: the rookie side.
Speaker 2: Two guys that we.
Speaker 1: Do want to talk about, Jack Kaglione and Nick Kurtz.
Speaker 1: Kind of looping them together with the first base stuff.
Speaker 1: Kurtz obviously has been on my heater lately. Kaglione had
Speaker 1: a two home run game to kind of get on
Speaker 1: the home run board recently. Obviously very talented prospects, guys
Speaker 1: who went very high in the draft, both top six picks.
Speaker 2: Was the top four picks I forget we.
Speaker 3: Know Kaglione was six, so Kurtz was four?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Four? Okay?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Four or six?
Speaker 1: Are these guys players that you were buying our salag
Speaker 1: specifically for obviously in Dynasty we like all these guys,
Speaker 1: but specifically for the second half of this season. Well,
Speaker 1: actually we put it like this, if you had to
Speaker 1: pick one to buy and one to sell, how would.
Speaker 2: You separate them?
Speaker 3: That makes it harder because I thought it would.
Speaker 2: That's why I changed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, are you buying Yes, I'm buying both of them.
Speaker 3: That makes it harder. I think I would have to
Speaker 3: buy Kurtz more just because he's done more and he's
Speaker 3: shown more, and he you know, he's hit eleven home
Speaker 3: runs in forty two games, and he's you know, like
Speaker 3: you said, he's heating up Kagali, and I do think
Speaker 3: is going to get there. He's just gotten up to
Speaker 3: like he came up a little bit later. He doesn't
Speaker 3: have as large as a sample size, so he could
Speaker 3: go on the same kind of heater that Curtsi's on
Speaker 3: right now. He also he's batting one eighty six, but
Speaker 3: he's expected batting average is two ninety two. It's over
Speaker 3: one hundred points higher. And I think he does have
Speaker 3: good He doesn't have high strikeout numbers. He does put
Speaker 3: the bat on the ball, whereas Kurtz is striking out
Speaker 3: at a high clip. He's at almost thirty two percent
Speaker 3: strikeout right, So there is some swing and miss in
Speaker 3: Kurtz's game, whereas Kakalion makes a little bit more contact.
Speaker 3: Both have incredibly incredible raw power. I think both have
Speaker 3: really bright futures, and I think both are going to
Speaker 3: have strong second halfs, especially because I mean we've talked
Speaker 3: at nauseum about hitters coming up struggling. They've both come
Speaker 3: up struggled a little bit, and both are already showing
Speaker 3: signs that they're kind of taking that next step. And
Speaker 3: I think that's the kind of talented hitter that they are,
Speaker 3: and I think they're going to be fine, and they're
Speaker 3: going to give a lot of power in second half.
Speaker 1: Kurt Kurtz feels like you'd have to pick him between
Speaker 1: the two, just because he's had more time to adjust
Speaker 1: to big league pitching and has just simply done more.
Speaker 1: Like you said, Caglione, if you're picking him, it's a
Speaker 1: reflection of you're just buying into the talent and trusting
Speaker 1: that it'll come along. Plus the underlying numbers, like you said,
Speaker 1: where some of the expected data is better than what
Speaker 1: we've actually seen some bad luck early on. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's only had seventy at bats, so still super early.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I would.
Speaker 1: Agree with you, like I'd rather have Kurts, of course,
Speaker 1: but I'm willing to buy into both. Are you like
Speaker 1: giving up anything of value to try and acquire Kagalion
Speaker 1: or or Kurtz or are you more just like I'm
Speaker 1: hoping they're already on my rosters and want to take
Speaker 1: advantage that they are.
Speaker 2: Are you actually looking to like buy these.
Speaker 3: I would look to buy especially looking like if you
Speaker 3: need power on a roster. Like a lot of times,
Speaker 3: it comes down to roster construction, you know, especially in RODO,
Speaker 3: where it's probably a little bit more of a conversation
Speaker 3: in points, but in Rodo, if if you are looking
Speaker 3: at the roto standings and you're lacking in power, these
Speaker 3: are two guys you should definitely target. And I didn't
Speaker 3: write them up as a buy low candidate this week,
Speaker 3: but I considered buying up Jack writing up Jack Kgaloon
Speaker 3: as a BILO this week for that reason, and that
Speaker 3: you could kind of, you know, if I had some
Speaker 3: surplus pitching or maybe some surplus speed and I needed power,
Speaker 3: I would definitely go out and buy these guys, because
Speaker 3: I think you are going to get double digit home
Speaker 3: runs for sure in the second half of the season.
Speaker 3: If not, you know, double digit and then some not
Speaker 3: triple digit. I'm gonna get triple digit home.
Speaker 2: Runs, Yeah, no, you will not.
Speaker 1: Another player that I want to talk about who's got
Speaker 1: some power Christian Moore second Basement for the Angels. Somebody
Speaker 1: who we have a very small sample size. He's only
Speaker 1: played thirteen games, forty at bats. He does have three
Speaker 1: home runs already in those forty at bats. Also a
Speaker 1: lot of strikeouts. That's part of his game, just two walks.
Speaker 1: Seventeen strikeouts is the number against two walks, he's only
Speaker 1: batting one seventy five. Second base an interesting position if
Speaker 1: you can get some real power from there, that's intriguing.
Speaker 1: He had a two home run game earlier this week,
Speaker 1: so perhaps a sign of, you know, kind of some
Speaker 1: early adjustments to big league pitching and going to start
Speaker 1: showing off the power. They were clutch hits too, one
Speaker 1: to tie the game, one to win it for the Angels,
Speaker 1: and the Angels, of course have a reputation of, you know,
Speaker 1: being very aggressive with their young prospects. So I would
Speaker 1: imagine like, even if he does struggle, he'll get, you know,
Speaker 1: a fairly long leash. Probably not worthwhile in a points
Speaker 1: league where the strikeouts are really going to hurt you,
Speaker 1: but in a in a rodeo category format, is he
Speaker 1: somebody that you're buying or selling for some power at
Speaker 1: second base in the second half, I.
Speaker 3: Think there's a lot of swing and missing that profile
Speaker 3: as evidenced by the strike cut numbers that you mentioned,
Speaker 3: and that that's whycout number is almost thirty eight percent. Like,
Speaker 3: there is a lot of swing and missing that profile,
Speaker 3: and I think the bating average is going to struggle
Speaker 3: as a result. We're already seeing that he did pretty
Speaker 3: well in the minors and there is some power there.
Speaker 3: I am less bullish on him than I am on
Speaker 3: you know, the two players we just mentioned. Also, maybe
Speaker 3: I'm just like misremembering, but we're talking. We're like so far,
Speaker 3: we're talking about a ton of players that were drafted
Speaker 3: last year. Like what Like, I think in general, there
Speaker 3: are a ton of rookies, you know, as evidence of
Speaker 3: out the names that we have, and so many of
Speaker 3: them are drafted just last year. I can't recall another
Speaker 3: year where this many players drafted just last year are
Speaker 3: already in the in the majors and contributing. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: think he is someone who's willing to walk so that
Speaker 3: that can help him. It's not probably in a point league,
Speaker 3: it's not going to outweigh those strikeouts for you, so
Speaker 3: it's not as helpful. But yeah, I think I think
Speaker 3: it's more likely he's, like you said, he might get
Speaker 3: a long leash, but I think it's more more likely
Speaker 3: for him that he's going to go back down and
Speaker 3: need some more time. But then again, the Angel probably
Speaker 3: won't have anything to play for the second half, so
Speaker 3: unless they play you know, service time games, they should
Speaker 3: just let him, you know, let him learn at the
Speaker 3: big leagues.
Speaker 1: For what it's worth, his expected adding average is about
Speaker 1: forty spots forty points higher than his current adding average.
Speaker 1: It's still quite low still, two fourteen. Yeah, but that's
Speaker 1: better than one seventy five.
Speaker 2: Just just to highlight it.
Speaker 1: I think that he is I will not be surprised
Speaker 1: if he hits at like twenty five to thirty home
Speaker 1: run pace. The rest of the way really okay, But
Speaker 1: I don't think he's going to give you anything. I
Speaker 1: think the average is gonna be low. Like, I don't
Speaker 1: think he's gonna maybe he gets a couple of steals,
Speaker 1: but like that's not what you're counting on him for.
Speaker 2: Like, I'm not thinking that home runs will be worth it.
Speaker 1: But I do think he has power and will get
Speaker 1: enough chances to I mean, he's at that right now,
Speaker 1: and forty fats three home runs, you know, spread that
Speaker 1: out over whole season, but obviously, you know that's coming
Speaker 1: off of a two home run game.
Speaker 3: It was worth noting real quick that he had been
Speaker 3: buried at the bottom of the lineup. And then yesterday
Speaker 3: and they moved up to the two hole against a
Speaker 3: ridy so and he's a ready hitter, so he they
Speaker 3: are showing some confidence in him, and they moved him
Speaker 3: all the way up from like the nine to one
Speaker 3: of the two hole. So we'll see if that sticks too.
Speaker 1: Having said what I just said about the power, I
Speaker 1: would be selling him, I guess, coming off this two
Speaker 1: home run game, because I think he's going to hurt
Speaker 1: you in other places. But I'm really interested in him
Speaker 1: long term actually, so like in a non and some
Speaker 1: kind of keyboard or dynasty format, I'd be keeping a
Speaker 1: close eye on him. And then lastly, we wanted to
Speaker 1: hit on some of these pictures rookie pitchers. Kind of
Speaker 1: the four names that we put together, Jacob Mazaraski, Rookie Sasaki,
Speaker 1: Mick Abel, Chase Dolander obviously have unvaryingly, you know, different things,
Speaker 1: on different timelines so far this season. You know, Sasaki
Speaker 1: has been hurt. Doll Lander came up very early, Abel
Speaker 1: was up, Looks Excellence went down, camp back up. Miserroowski
Speaker 1: has been like unreal, The stuff is just absurd. So
Speaker 1: of these four, how would you rank them rest of season?
Speaker 3: So I think I would go Miserawski clear number one,
Speaker 3: just from what we've seen. I mean, we just saw
Speaker 3: him go toe to toe with Paul Skins and come
Speaker 3: out looking better than called Paul Skans. You know, not
Speaker 3: that he's better than Paul Skans, but in that game,
Speaker 3: you know, Paul Skins had, you know, like it just
Speaker 3: so happened that Paul Skins had one of his worst
Speaker 3: starts as a pro, and whereas Miserowski, you know, pitched
Speaker 3: like a legend. So I think right off the bat,
Speaker 3: I would go Miserawski as the clear one. Maybe if
Speaker 3: even if we're doing this with like tears, I think
Speaker 3: it's like Miserawski and then like a tear break and
Speaker 3: then and then we start talking about the rest of
Speaker 3: these guys. Rookie Sasaki is an interesting one. And I
Speaker 3: mentioned to you, you know, as we were like prepping
Speaker 3: for the show, that we spend a lot of time
Speaker 3: before the season talking about Sasaki, but we haven't talked
Speaker 3: about him a lot during the season, and some of
Speaker 3: that is because of the injury, but it's also just
Speaker 3: kind of like, I mean, you know, we saw him debut,
Speaker 3: and you know we saw like the you know, the
Speaker 3: the speed, the velocity, and but then like the overall
Speaker 3: was offer just kind of like, eh, like he had
Speaker 3: some velocity, he didn't have a lot of like swing
Speaker 3: and miss, and his spect numbers are all over the place,
Speaker 3: and I would I feel like we should talk about
Speaker 3: him first, like what are you thinking about Sasaki and
Speaker 3: what we've seen so far, just like just like from
Speaker 3: him in this first half of his first season, because
Speaker 3: he's still a young picture too. Despite you know, a
Speaker 3: lot of these pictures come over from overseas and they're
Speaker 3: like they're older, not like older, but like they're veterans.
Speaker 3: He's still twenty three years old.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm largely disinterested in a redraft format because of
Speaker 1: the injury stuff, Like the Dodgers don't have any real
Speaker 1: need to push him. He already wasn't throwing that deep
Speaker 1: into games the stuff. Like, I am not at all
Speaker 1: like down on it, and in a long term format,
Speaker 1: I'd still be very interested in him. But in if
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the just second half, and I need pitching.
Speaker 1: He is not somebody I'm like trying to buy low on.
Speaker 1: I'm letting him be someone else's. Like I don't want
Speaker 1: to say headache, but like if you're not going deep
Speaker 1: enough into games, which even when he's back, like, I
Speaker 1: don't expect that. I think that's just too much of
Speaker 1: a I don't think his stuff is good enough to
Speaker 1: overcome that.
Speaker 3: Not yeah, probably not yet. They also the other complicating
Speaker 3: factor here is the injury. Because he already has a
Speaker 3: shoulder injury. We haven't seen him since.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and that plays into like the expected lack
Speaker 2: of innings.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we haven't seen him since the second week of May.
Speaker 3: And the last time he was actually like ramping up
Speaker 3: his shoulder his drowing program, he shut it right back
Speaker 3: down because he was feeling discomforted in the shoulders. So
Speaker 3: and that was already six weeks removed from the injury.
Speaker 3: So you don't like to see that, and you know
Speaker 3: he's already out through the All Star break. Who knows
Speaker 3: when we see him after that, And then, like you said,
Speaker 3: there's probably gonna be some innings limitations there. They could
Speaker 3: even move him to the bullpen, depending on how healthy
Speaker 3: they get. You know, we always joke on the show
Speaker 3: and how many arms they have, and then how many
Speaker 3: arms they have on the il. But you know, there's
Speaker 3: a realistic possibility that they just make him like a
Speaker 3: two or three inning bulk reliever heading into the playoffs
Speaker 3: if if they want to kind of limit his innings.
Speaker 3: So I think, almost by default, while I don't when
Speaker 3: I wouldn't rank him dead last in like pure stuff,
Speaker 3: I would make Miserawski probably the clear number one, in
Speaker 3: Sasaki probably the clear four. And then from you rather.
Speaker 1: Have Dolander than Sasaki. I think I have Able ahead
Speaker 1: of Sasaki, but yeah, dolanderies. Yeah, Dollander is the weird
Speaker 1: one because of the Rockies. I mean, he has a
Speaker 1: he if you're just looking at like pure stuff, he
Speaker 1: might have better stuff than Sasaki. I don't know that
Speaker 1: he's a better pitcher already, we've already seen him come
Speaker 1: up and struggle to an Era over six.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point. I think it's Miserawski and Able,
Speaker 3: and then.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Sasaki than Dolander.
Speaker 3: It's yeah, it's you're probably better. While I'm not like
Speaker 3: that optimistic about Sasaki, You're probably better off rolling the
Speaker 3: dice on Sasaki than you are Dolander, just because of
Speaker 3: the Dodgers connection, and you know we've already seen Dollander
Speaker 3: struggle more so than Sasaki.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's go to our news notes and injuries.
Speaker 1: A tough one at the top. Max Meyer hip surgery
Speaker 1: on his laborum. Out for the season. Just the bummer.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was very excited about him in spring training.
Speaker 1: He looked like he was proving me right in April,
Speaker 1: and then it's kind of started to fall off, and
Speaker 1: then he went on the il and now, after getting
Speaker 1: a couple of opinions, is out for the year. So
Speaker 1: that sucks how much else around it? What are your
Speaker 1: expectations for him going into next season? Are you going
Speaker 1: to be aggressively trying to draft him next year or
Speaker 1: kind of out after how this year ended.
Speaker 3: I don't think I'll be out because I am really
Speaker 3: really intrigued by him, and I think based on how
Speaker 3: this year is gone, that the price is going to
Speaker 3: be low enough that I'll be interested. It'll depend on
Speaker 3: the price, though, and if you know, if a lot
Speaker 3: of people are kind of like buying in, like you know,
Speaker 3: if he has a really good spring training, and the
Speaker 3: price really starts to rise, then I'll probably be out.
Speaker 3: I'm not really gonna want to take that risk, but
Speaker 3: if the if the price is low enough, I'll be
Speaker 3: in on him for sure.
Speaker 1: Gorviyn Carroll to the eye l with a wrist fracture,
Speaker 1: obviously something to keep a very close eye on, given
Speaker 1: how important he is to fantasy managers. We got a
Speaker 1: bunch of other ones here that you added to the list,
Speaker 1: so I'll let you run through these.
Speaker 3: Sure, the Sean and I are shut down from throwing
Speaker 3: with a loose body in his elbow. And the weird
Speaker 3: thing about this update is they said he was only
Speaker 3: kind of you know, he already hasn't pitched this year,
Speaker 3: and then they said there was a loose body in
Speaker 3: his elbow and they're only shutting him down for a
Speaker 3: couple of days. That seems like a much bigger deal
Speaker 3: than getting shut down for a couple of days, and
Speaker 3: like resuming your throwing program like that feels like a
Speaker 3: big deal. So I've been stashing Sea and I in
Speaker 3: a couple of places. I was getting excited because he
Speaker 3: was working his way back, probably getting ready to getting
Speaker 3: ready to make other moves. If I find he really
Speaker 3: knew that roster spot even though he was working his
Speaker 3: way back. This this loose body, you know, this loose
Speaker 3: body and his elbow is not something I'm interested in.
Speaker 3: Zach Neto injured shoulder on a side the other day,
Speaker 3: but his MRI I did come back negative. You don't
Speaker 3: like that. It's the same shoulder that he already dealt
Speaker 3: with an injury with and he kind of like injured
Speaker 3: his shoulder and then like stayed in the game and
Speaker 3: then had to come out, and then now he had
Speaker 3: to go for an MRI. So like he was having,
Speaker 3: you know, a really fun season I'm in. We talked
Speaker 3: about the one league I'm in where I just get
Speaker 3: like trade offers every day I get. I got was
Speaker 3: getting zach Netto trade offers every day, and I was like,
Speaker 3: I was, look good, I'm not looking to trade him,
Speaker 3: Like I'm very happy with the production I'm getting, you know,
Speaker 3: getting a power speed as like you know, my short
Speaker 3: stop slash middle infielder, like not looking to move him.
Speaker 3: But I was legit getting offers every day. And then
Speaker 3: I did think it was funny that someone had like
Speaker 3: offered me a trade and then like the injury happened
Speaker 3: and they quickly were withdrew it, and I'm like, I'm
Speaker 3: never going to be the guy to like accept a
Speaker 3: tray when a guy get hurts, But like, you know,
Speaker 3: I do get why they would like withdraw that that
Speaker 3: that offer, but like I'm never going to be that
Speaker 3: guy to accept the trade anyway. Jordan al Alvarez finally
Speaker 3: began hitting in a cage, so hopefully they don't rediscover
Speaker 3: any you know, hand fractures that they didn't do x
Speaker 3: rays for this time around, and he actually gets back
Speaker 3: on the field soon. Austin Hayes begins to rehabit. Sign
Speaker 3: just began a rehab assignment, and he's when he can
Speaker 3: stay on the field. He's been having a really good year,
Speaker 3: he just like can't seem to stay on the field.
Speaker 3: So he's someone that if he's out there in your league,
Speaker 3: I would go in and pick him up, just because when
Speaker 3: he's been out there, he's been really productive and I
Speaker 3: assume that's going to continue as long as he can
Speaker 3: just stay healthy. Your boy Hunter Green to throw a
Speaker 3: bullpen next week and so he could potentially be coming
Speaker 3: back soon, joining their res rotation with Chase Burns. And
Speaker 3: with Andrew Rabbit and with Nickolodolo, and I posed this
Speaker 3: on Twitter the other day. Not only could the Reservo
Speaker 3: be really good the second half of the season, they
Speaker 3: could be set up for a pretty long run of
Speaker 3: success here with this rotation kind of like going forward,
Speaker 3: Like if they can keep all these guys and keep
Speaker 3: them all healthy, which is you know, two very big Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, like, how many times have we said, oh,
Speaker 1: imagine this young pitching altogether over the years on it
Speaker 1: for any team an organization, and how often does it
Speaker 1: actually pan out?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Because they also his name is escaping me right now,
Speaker 3: but I posted on Twitter, but they have another top
Speaker 3: pitching prospect who he's hurt right now, but his name
Speaker 3: is escaping me, Red Louder. That's who it is, Red Louder.
Speaker 3: But he's another top prospect in the organization who even
Speaker 3: if he slots in is like the third, fourth or
Speaker 3: fifth pitcher. That could be a really good rotation. But
Speaker 3: you know, it's we'll see. You know, the Reds have
Speaker 3: been known to trade players, and you know, players who
Speaker 3: throw that hard have been known to get injured. So
Speaker 3: it'll be really exciting if they can keep their rotation together,
Speaker 3: but you know, we shall see. Shane McClanahan resumes throwing
Speaker 3: off a mound as he continues to work back from
Speaker 3: that looked like a devastating arm injury turned out to
Speaker 3: be a nerve injury. Still don't really know what's going
Speaker 3: on there, but it looks like he could be coming
Speaker 3: back in the near future unless he has step backs,
Speaker 3: which is not you know, out of the realm of possibility,
Speaker 3: giving like the strained injury he's dealing with. And then
Speaker 3: we got an update that Alex Bragman is unlikely to
Speaker 3: return before the All Star break, which is a bummer
Speaker 3: because there were some whispers that he was like getting ready,
Speaker 3: but now it seems like, you know, at least two
Speaker 3: more weeks, we're not gonna have Alex Bragman at a
Speaker 3: very shallow third base position. In Fantasy.
Speaker 1: I mentioned that really injured team I have in Dan
Speaker 1: Harris's league netto Jordan Hunter, Green, McClanahan, Bragman all on
Speaker 1: that team.
Speaker 2: Then that's only like half the injuries I have.
Speaker 3: So and you very famously drafted chain of Kinahan like
Speaker 3: sixty seconds before that injury happened in real time. Then
Speaker 3: we kind of shared the video around the room because
Speaker 3: it was a rare in person draft.
Speaker 1: Famously, Yeah, that was a real dagger moment for me
Speaker 1: and my first ever draft in this league. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so they have it news notes and injuries. And then lastly,
Speaker 1: I labeled this segment cal Rally is a maze balls
Speaker 1: because the dude is just insane. As of when I
Speaker 1: was putting together this yesterday. I don't know if there
Speaker 1: was what he did yesterday, but thirty two home runs
Speaker 1: on pace for sixty six this season, which is insane enough,
Speaker 1: let alone as a catcher. Also nine stolen bases, just
Speaker 1: to you know, add that on top of everything else
Speaker 1: he's doing two eighty one, three eighty six, sixty sixty
Speaker 1: seven slash line.
Speaker 2: People don't need me to tell them cal Rally is awesome.
Speaker 1: But we've only really talked about him once as like,
Speaker 1: is it worth selling high on him? I feel like
Speaker 1: we're past that, and it's more like we should just
Speaker 1: be like kind of taking a step back to really appreciate,
Speaker 1: like what this first half has been for him. Would
Speaker 1: he be a first rounder if we were drafting today
Speaker 1: for the rest of the season. And then I also
Speaker 1: as a secondary question, I wanted to ask you, do
Speaker 1: you think he can overtake are Judge Rail MVP? I
Speaker 1: haven't looked at the odds recently, but you know, obviously
Speaker 1: Judge has been kind of the overwhelming favorite favorite of
Speaker 1: the whole year.
Speaker 2: It feels like what Cal's doing as a.
Speaker 1: Catcher, maybe he should be more in that conversation or
Speaker 1: even like arguably ahead of Judge. But yeah, Carraley's been
Speaker 1: awesome leading baseball and home runs. Obviously, would he be
Speaker 1: a first rounder if we drafted today?
Speaker 3: I think you would have to be because if you
Speaker 3: look at like the you know, the VBR and the
Speaker 3: stats on Fanny Spurs, if I just if I switched
Speaker 3: to that page and let it load, he is the
Speaker 3: third most valuable player in Fantasy so far. It's Judge
Speaker 3: Otanian than cal Raley, and then of course Pete Kromstrong,
Speaker 3: who just won't go away. But I mean, just based
Speaker 3: on production loan, he would have to be. And the
Speaker 3: other thing is, if I wanted to kind of bring
Speaker 3: this up to you, if I told you before the
Speaker 3: season that cal Raley would hit thirty two home runs
Speaker 3: and back to seventy seven is steal nine bases, you
Speaker 3: would be like, hey, that's a pretty good season from
Speaker 3: cal Rally.
Speaker 2: I would say that's a great Yeah, we're halfway through.
Speaker 3: We're halfway through, and that's like those are like really
Speaker 3: good final numbers. And by comparison, last year he had
Speaker 3: thirty four home runs and stole six paces. Granted you
Speaker 3: know the RBIs and run scored, although the run scored
Speaker 3: seventy three last year fifty eight this year, he's already
Speaker 3: getting close to those. Any bad two sety seven after
Speaker 3: bat two twenty last year, like that would be you'd
Speaker 3: be like fantastic, Like what a great draft pick Kyle
Speaker 3: Rally and lo and behold, we are literally halfway through
Speaker 3: the season.
Speaker 1: Let's say he falls off a bit, but it's still
Speaker 1: really good in the second half. So let's say he
Speaker 1: finishes with fifty home runs, fifteen stolen bases, and a
Speaker 1: two sixty average. Is he a first round or next year?
Speaker 3: I think he's in the conversation just because of the position,
Speaker 3: because there are going to be people who who say, man,
Speaker 3: if I can lock up that kind of production from
Speaker 3: my catcher spot and not have to worry about catcher,
Speaker 3: the rest of the draft, people are definitely gonna take
Speaker 3: him in the first round. And also not to get
Speaker 3: away from fantasy, but like for the MVP conversation, he's
Speaker 3: also a pretty good defensive catcher. Like he's not just
Speaker 3: a schlub bank there either. And with I didn't see
Speaker 3: the odds, but like Iron, Judge has come not like
Speaker 3: come back down to earth because he's still ridiculous, but
Speaker 3: he's not hitting four hundred anymore. And he kind of
Speaker 3: went through like a mini slump there. So I think
Speaker 3: there's a world where he he you know, he enters
Speaker 3: that MVP conversation.
Speaker 2: Three days ago, it was.
Speaker 1: Judge this on ESPN Judge minus two thousand cal Rawley
Speaker 1: plus six point fifty and the next closest to Jose
Speaker 1: Ramirez it's seventy five to one. Jeez, but yeah, Judge
Speaker 1: minus two thousand, cal Ralei plus six fifty. I would
Speaker 1: bet on cal rale at those odds. I don't know
Speaker 1: what it is elsewhere. I don't have them all up
Speaker 1: in front of me right now. But and again that
Speaker 1: was a few days ago. That feels not accurate to
Speaker 1: where you would see it in most books. Would be
Speaker 1: my guests, I don't know if you're pulling it up
Speaker 1: and seeing it somewhere I am.
Speaker 3: I was just looking at I'm waiting for it to
Speaker 3: load now, but I saw what did you say you
Speaker 3: saw Judge.
Speaker 1: At minus two thousand three days ago on ESPN bet
Speaker 1: That feels wrong.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So on betting pros, the best odds you're going
Speaker 3: to get for Aaron Judge right now are minus nine
Speaker 3: hundred and the so the best odds you're going to
Speaker 3: get for cal Raley or plus five hundred. But at
Speaker 3: bet MGM, he's already down to plus three seventy five.
Speaker 1: That seems more reasonable, and like I would still like
Speaker 1: that bet truthfully. I mean again, if if you have
Speaker 1: a catcher who hits, he's not gonna hit sixty home runs,
Speaker 1: but like if he if he gets to like fifty, which.
Speaker 2: Is he's only eighteen away from yeah, and you throw.
Speaker 1: In fifteen seals and is a good defensive catcher, Like
Speaker 1: that's really hard and plus is just different from the
Speaker 1: guy who already has one MVPs in aeron Judge.
Speaker 3: So right, you never want to like, you never want
Speaker 3: to like consider that, but it's all it's also sometimes
Speaker 3: like you know, if it gets really close to the
Speaker 3: voters are gonna be like well, we're kind of It's
Speaker 3: what we.
Speaker 1: Just saw in football last year, Lamar Jackson was very
Speaker 1: clearly had a better season than Alan, but Alan hadn't
Speaker 1: won and Lamar had two, so Alan won the vote
Speaker 1: even though Lamar won First Team All Pro.
Speaker 2: It could be the same thing.
Speaker 1: Here where it's like, yeah, Judge's numbers are like maybe better,
Speaker 1: but both were amazing, and Cal doesn't, like how cool
Speaker 1: would it be to give a Seattle catcher MVP over
Speaker 1: you know, this gigantic figure in baseball in New York.
Speaker 1: I mean I think that would at least play in voters' minds.
Speaker 3: So yeah, and I'm just looking at Judge's numbers. He
Speaker 3: was batting four hundred for a long time, which is ridiculous.
Speaker 3: He's now down to three sixty one, still incredible, twenty
Speaker 3: at home round six Dollen bases. You know, obviously all
Speaker 3: all the good counting stats, but the numbers aren't that
Speaker 3: ridiculous anymore that it's like out of the question that
Speaker 3: someone else could be MVP, whereas like three weeks ago.
Speaker 1: Us, Yeah, I mean Cal Rawley needs to be amazed
Speaker 1: balls for this to be a thing, right, Like it's
Speaker 1: it's it's not like he's locked up, you know, being
Speaker 1: making this a two man race. If cal falls off,
Speaker 1: then Judge could run away with it. But as of
Speaker 1: right now, like I see every reason to say that
Speaker 1: those odds at least are the wider gap than they
Speaker 1: should be.
Speaker 3: Speaking of Amaze Balls, have you at least seen the
Speaker 3: movie Spaceballs? Or is that just another movie you've never seen?
Speaker 1: I have.
Speaker 2: I don't remember it.
Speaker 1: I mean, like I remember some bits from it, but
Speaker 1: I only saw it like once, many years ago. But
Speaker 1: I have seen that one. I like the Uh well,
Speaker 1: actually I don't.
Speaker 2: Know if I should.
Speaker 1: I was gonna do a bit where they say a
Speaker 1: word that I don't know if I can say on
Speaker 1: this show or not.
Speaker 2: Uh the I knew it.
Speaker 1: I'm surrounded by h I don't know if that's acceptable
Speaker 1: or not. But it's a very funny scene, and it's
Speaker 1: it's a generally very funny movie.
Speaker 2: So yes, I have seen that one and I like it.
Speaker 2: Is that like one of your favorites?
Speaker 3: No, okay, classic comedy, so I figured you haven't seen
Speaker 3: it because you don't see any movies ever.
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of classic comedies I've seen. Airplane
Speaker 1: Naked Gun is one of my favorite comedies. I like,
Speaker 1: you know, Dumb and Dumber, Blazing Saddles, going way back,
Speaker 1: very classic comedy, so I like some good ones.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there like that parody you know, when they were
Speaker 3: doing all these parody movies.
Speaker 1: I will probably see the Liam Neeson Naked Gun sequel
Speaker 1: that they're coming out with soon. And I don't typically
Speaker 1: like just rehashing old stuff, but I really like the
Speaker 1: original Naked Gun. It's what it might be my favorite
Speaker 1: comedy of all time, so I'll probably it's really good.
Speaker 1: It's that movie's hilarious. All right, We'll go ahead and
Speaker 1: wrap up there for a rounding the bases. Be sure
Speaker 1: to keep an eye out for our trade show and
Speaker 1: waivers coming out later this weekend, and also, of course,
Speaker 1: are pitching streamers and to start picture competition for Mayor.
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