WEBVTT - Conversations with A Brain Surgeon With Dr. Lee Warren - Part 3: Neuro-beliefs

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<v Speaker 1>I won't let my body out me outwait everything that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm made, don't won't spend my life trying to change.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm learning to love who I am again.

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<v Speaker 3>Strong, I feel free. I know everybod of me.

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<v Speaker 2>It's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>And that will always out way if you feel it.

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<v Speaker 2>But she'll some love to the vio. Why get there.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's take one day, Anita, did you and die out way?

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<v Speaker 2>Happy Saturday, Outweigh.

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<v Speaker 1>I am grateful to be back here with doctor Lee Warren.

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<v Speaker 1>We're here for our neuro series here on Outweigh. Two

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<v Speaker 1>weeks ago we talked about your neuro thoughts. Last week

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about neuro feelings and how feelings are not

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<v Speaker 1>facts and they can actually lie to us a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>If we're being honest, they're sneaky.

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<v Speaker 1>This week we are going to get into neuro beliefs,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you missed the past couple weeks, definitely go

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<v Speaker 1>check it out because there's a lot of chicken egg

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<v Speaker 1>cause and effect going on here bringing us into the

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<v Speaker 1>belief side of it. But what I'd love to do today,

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Warren, is really kick off when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>our beliefs and believing what we're believing you know, first

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<v Speaker 1>of all, we have to kind of become aware of it.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's the unconscious, there's the subconscious, there's the conscious.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you just kind of share a little bit about

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<v Speaker 1>your perspective of beliefs and how it comes into your

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<v Speaker 1>self brain surgery thought.

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<v Speaker 3>Process absolutely well. Beliefs lean sort of start with this

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<v Speaker 3>thing that I call that's called worldview. Like, basically, worldview

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<v Speaker 3>is the set of filters and ideas and beliefs that

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<v Speaker 3>you use to sort of investigate and think about new

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<v Speaker 3>ideas that are presented to you in the world. And

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<v Speaker 3>so when you encounter something, the way that you decide

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<v Speaker 3>if it's true or not, the way that you decide

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<v Speaker 3>if it's worthwhile for you to pursue or to believe

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<v Speaker 3>that it affects you is dependent on the set of

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<v Speaker 3>filters and underlying beliefs and your overall worldview you view

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<v Speaker 3>the world right, So that means that the belief systems

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<v Speaker 3>that we have, whether they come from our family, our heritage,

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<v Speaker 3>or our own reading or our own experiences, those belief

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<v Speaker 3>systems really impact everything that you do and everything that

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<v Speaker 3>you feel and think, and everything that happens in your

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<v Speaker 3>life and the people around you, even if you're not

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<v Speaker 3>sort of consciously aware of it all the time, because

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<v Speaker 3>whether or not you recognize it. And some people might say, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a really open minded person, don't really have a worldview? Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>you do. Your worldview might be everything's true all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>And if that's your worldview, I'll challenge you to say,

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<v Speaker 3>that's going to harm you in some ways because you're

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<v Speaker 3>going to accept some things that really aren't true, and

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<v Speaker 3>then you'll find yourself reacting to some things that weren't

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<v Speaker 3>true in the first place, and you've got to clean

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<v Speaker 3>that up. So having a worldview, having an awareness that

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<v Speaker 3>you do have a worldview, and then spending some time

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<v Speaker 3>questioning what that is and understanding identifying what your belief

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<v Speaker 3>systems are. That's what we talk about on Spiritual brain Surgery.

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<v Speaker 3>Concept is this podcast is this idea that you have

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<v Speaker 3>the worldview, So you need to know what it is

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<v Speaker 3>so you can explain it and then decide if it's

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<v Speaker 3>worth living with.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I think people, you know, they download it

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<v Speaker 1>from like you said, upbringing parents, friends, even today, we're

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<v Speaker 1>being influenced.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything is influencing us.

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<v Speaker 1>And if we don't have this basis of our own

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<v Speaker 1>foundation of beliefs and worldviews that really align with the

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<v Speaker 1>version of ourselves that we want to be. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>where it really connects to this identity piece of the

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<v Speaker 1>puzzle in our self image, which we did kind of

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<v Speaker 1>talk about a bit in our neuro Hope and neuro

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<v Speaker 1>Faith episodes, so we'll link those as well. But really

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's knowing what you believe. I love how you

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<v Speaker 1>just pointed that out, because a lot of people are

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<v Speaker 1>walking around kind of with with blinders on and they

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what they believe. They're just kind of repeating

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<v Speaker 1>what they've heard or what they've downloaded. And I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like what you just said is almost like a permission

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<v Speaker 1>slip of like, hey, you get to vote on what

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<v Speaker 1>you believe, so can you speak a little bit more

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<v Speaker 1>about this voting process. So, now that you're aware of

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<v Speaker 1>this worldview when it comes to our beliefs, how do

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<v Speaker 1>we shift our beliefs now that we're actually aware that

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<v Speaker 1>we have that.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you have a worldview that says that you

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<v Speaker 3>know there's no absolute truth, for example, that's a common

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<v Speaker 3>worldview these days. Everybody has their own path to truth,

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<v Speaker 3>and you can find your way and all of that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not challenging if that's what you believe. But what

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<v Speaker 3>I'm saying is, if that's your worldview, then you have

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<v Speaker 3>to say, okay, well, there are some things that are

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<v Speaker 3>consistent with a happy, productive life that I can build

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<v Speaker 3>out of that worldview. And when something, some other idea

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<v Speaker 3>comes in and challenges me, then I need to say,

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<v Speaker 3>wait a minute, is this idea that I'm being asked

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<v Speaker 3>to accept consistent with my belief system? Is it consistent

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<v Speaker 3>with my worldview? And when I say to other people,

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<v Speaker 3>this is my set of things that I operate by

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<v Speaker 3>my operating system, if you will, then if a new

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<v Speaker 3>idea comes along and I'm presenting that to myself as

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<v Speaker 3>if I want to incorporate this in my behavior and

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<v Speaker 3>my feelings and all of that, then I've got to

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<v Speaker 3>be able to say, wait, is this consistent with what

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<v Speaker 3>I believe? And if it's not, then am I harming

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<v Speaker 3>myself on an integrity level by accepting this new idea

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<v Speaker 3>or practice? Is if it's true, when it's really not

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<v Speaker 3>consistent with my overall worldview? And now that brings up

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<v Speaker 3>a question. Sometimes we find things that may need to

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<v Speaker 3>revise our worldview. Maybe something comes along and you try it,

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<v Speaker 3>you taste it out a little bit, and you test it,

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<v Speaker 3>and from a good science you and I are both

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<v Speaker 3>kind of science nerves. If you take something and test

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<v Speaker 3>it and run all the exams on it and it

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<v Speaker 3>turns out to probably be true, then maybe your worldview

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<v Speaker 3>needs updating. So one of the problems we have sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>is we dig our heels in to our belief system

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<v Speaker 3>and we say, I don't care if this turns out

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<v Speaker 3>to be beneficial, and maybe even turns out to be true.

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<v Speaker 3>If it's not consistent with what I've said I believe before,

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<v Speaker 3>I can't accept it. Right That's one of the problems

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<v Speaker 3>we have in our society right now. We pick this

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<v Speaker 3>side and that side, and if you're on this side,

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<v Speaker 3>you can't agree with anything or you got to cancel

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<v Speaker 3>everybody on the other side. And the problem with that

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<v Speaker 3>is sometimes the other guy has something that's true and

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<v Speaker 3>it might be helpful to me, and that sort of

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<v Speaker 3>conversation and back and forth. As part of I think

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<v Speaker 3>being a fully embodied, fully developed human is to say,

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<v Speaker 3>can I accept an idea that's challenging to me, and

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<v Speaker 3>can I use my intellect to process that idea and

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<v Speaker 3>test it out as a scientist and see if it

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<v Speaker 3>might actually be helpful to sort of evolve and mature

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<v Speaker 3>my own world view a belief system.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I love how you also brought up the

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<v Speaker 1>piece of the puzzle of integrity, you know, because when

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<v Speaker 1>you believe a certain way and you witness yourself acting

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<v Speaker 1>out of alignment with it, that gap in between is

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<v Speaker 1>where the shame lives and the cognitive dissonance, and you

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<v Speaker 1>end up being out of integrity when I think all

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<v Speaker 1>of us want to be in alignment with who we

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<v Speaker 1>want to be. Now, I talk about all the time

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<v Speaker 1>how we can't out behave our beliefs, and our beliefs

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<v Speaker 1>shape our behaviors, and we're going to get into the

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<v Speaker 1>habits and actions and behavior side of it. But can

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<v Speaker 1>you share because you already started talking about you know,

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<v Speaker 1>what I heard you say essentially is like you have

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<v Speaker 1>to have the beliefs of the person that you want

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<v Speaker 1>to become right and believe your way there. So can

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<v Speaker 1>you just speak into that a bit.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So you referenced something called cognitive dissonance, and that's

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<v Speaker 3>really important to remember, and there's a lot of relevance

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<v Speaker 3>here when we talk about habits and numbing the behaviors

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<v Speaker 3>that we might use alcohol or food or whatever it

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<v Speaker 3>might be. It has to do a lot with cognitive dissonances.

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<v Speaker 3>When you believe that something is harmful to you, or

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<v Speaker 3>you believe that something is bad for you or good

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<v Speaker 3>for you, or helpful or not helpful, but then you

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<v Speaker 3>do that thing anyway because there's some other benefit that

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<v Speaker 3>you think you're going to get from it. Then you

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<v Speaker 3>have this sort of little disturbance in the force inside you,

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<v Speaker 3>this little burr under your saddle that says, wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 3>I know this is going to hurt me. I know

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<v Speaker 3>that if I do this tomorrow, I'm going to pay.

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<v Speaker 3>What I call the tomorrow tax is sort of this tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm dealing with something that I did yesterday instead of

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<v Speaker 3>being able to deal with today, which we don't talk

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<v Speaker 3>about spiritual things a lot here, but Jesus said each

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<v Speaker 3>day has enough trouble of its own right. So the

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<v Speaker 3>tomorrow tax idea is like, if you choose to engage

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<v Speaker 3>in a numbing behavior, you nesetize yourself because you don't

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<v Speaker 3>feel good about what's happening today, Then tomorrow, when that

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<v Speaker 3>numbing behavior wears off, you still have the original problem,

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<v Speaker 3>and now you got the effects of whatever it was

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<v Speaker 3>that you did to numb yourself. You spent too much money,

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<v Speaker 3>you ate too much food, you drank the wrong things.

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<v Speaker 3>Now you've got a headache and you're hungover, and you're

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<v Speaker 3>late to work, and now you're all day long trying

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<v Speaker 3>to catch up and process and pay that tomorrow at

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<v Speaker 3>tax and you've got this dissonance in your brain and

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<v Speaker 3>your spirit that says, wait, man, I didn't do the

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<v Speaker 3>best job I could have done. I let myself down

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<v Speaker 3>because I acted out of balance with what I say

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<v Speaker 3>that I believe, and so that'll harm you in some way.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm not saying that your worldview is always right

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<v Speaker 3>and always has to be perpetually the same. But what

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<v Speaker 3>I am saying is that it's valuable on a spiritual

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<v Speaker 3>and emotional and neuroscience level to know what you believe,

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<v Speaker 3>revise it when necessary based on evidence and practice, and

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<v Speaker 3>live your life in accordance with that. That's how you

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<v Speaker 3>become healthier and feel better and be happier.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, coming back fall circle to our very first episode

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<v Speaker 1>around neuro thoughts, you know, because really a belief is

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<v Speaker 1>a thought that you repeat and you eventually believe it. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>there's that repetition pattern, and of course the worldview comes

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<v Speaker 1>into play. So can you talk a little bit about

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<v Speaker 1>how you teach shifting your beliefs when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>becoming aware of your thoughts? And if you were just

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<v Speaker 1>going to give us beliefs shifting one oh one, what would.

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<v Speaker 2>That look like?

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's this if you constantly observe your own behavior,

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<v Speaker 3>because a lot of us don't. I mean, frankly, a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of us are stunningly unaware of our own part

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<v Speaker 3>that we play in life. And I heard somebody say

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<v Speaker 3>the other day, if you meet a jerk in the

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<v Speaker 3>morning and that evening, you met a jerk that morning

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<v Speaker 3>and the rest of your day was pretty good, then

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<v Speaker 3>he was probably really a jerk. But if you meet

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<v Speaker 3>jerks all day long, then when you get home and

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<v Speaker 3>you say, man, everybody I met today was a jerk,

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<v Speaker 3>you might be the jerk.

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<v Speaker 2>You're the jerk.

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<v Speaker 3>So a lot of us don't spend any time evaluating

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<v Speaker 3>our own behavior, the consequences of our behavior, the effects

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<v Speaker 3>on other people of our behavior. And what that means

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<v Speaker 3>is if you spend a little time looking at the

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<v Speaker 3>evidence of what your life is producing at looking at

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<v Speaker 3>the fruit of what you're life is doing, then it

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<v Speaker 3>may be that you're acting as if you believe some

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<v Speaker 3>things that you don't really believe because you're not willing

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<v Speaker 3>to practice them. And so then maybe you say, well,

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<v Speaker 3>if I'm never practicing these things I say I believe,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe I need to revalue those things, reorder them a bit.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe I need to tune up my world view so

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<v Speaker 3>that I'm living more consistently with the things that I believe,

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<v Speaker 3>and then maybe the outcomes that I'm seeing in my

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<v Speaker 3>own life will start to be more effective for myself. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>You obviously talk a lot about the spiritual side of

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<v Speaker 1>things on your podcast. So you share a concept and

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<v Speaker 1>then you align it with scripture. Was that something that

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<v Speaker 1>you kind of unconsciously started doing and it was just

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<v Speaker 1>something that resonated with you. Was it a conscious thought process, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>so if somebody did want to say, listen, this feels

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<v Speaker 1>like a spiritual belief problem and I want to uplevel

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<v Speaker 1>my beliefs to align with my spirit what was the

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<v Speaker 1>process like for you to just start aligning scripture with beliefs.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I was trained as a scientist, so as

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<v Speaker 3>a biochemist in college, and I became a neuroscientist, neurosurgeon

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<v Speaker 3>and all that. But I was raised as a Christian.

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<v Speaker 3>So I had this sort of two worlds that I

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<v Speaker 3>was living in because a lot of the people in

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<v Speaker 3>the science world are kind of materialists, reductionist people that

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<v Speaker 3>don't believe there's an overall purpose or meaning to life

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<v Speaker 3>and all that kind of stuff. But then I had

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<v Speaker 3>this other side of my life that was about spiritual

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<v Speaker 3>things and Christian worldview in particular. And what I started

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<v Speaker 3>noticing was every time science finally got down to where

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<v Speaker 3>they could prove that something was actually good for humans

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<v Speaker 3>to live, it aligned with something that I had learned

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<v Speaker 3>from the Bible a long time ago. Here's a good example.

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<v Speaker 3>Science now says that when you think about better thoughts,

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<v Speaker 3>you have better brain chemistry and you feel better. Your

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<v Speaker 3>physiology gets better, you have less heart disease, less stress,

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<v Speaker 3>your quarters all goes down, your diabetes get some better control.

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<v Speaker 3>All of that stuff can be done by thinking better.

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<v Speaker 3>In fact, it's been shown that cognitive behavioral therapy, for example,

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<v Speaker 3>is as effective or more effective than certain medications for

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<v Speaker 3>improving people's physiology. Right, So, basically, the Bible said the

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<v Speaker 3>same thing a long time ago. There's a book in

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<v Speaker 3>the New Testament called Philippians. In Philippians, chapter four, he says, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>if you want to be less anxious, pray more and

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<v Speaker 3>be more grateful and think about better stuff. And so

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<v Speaker 3>two thousand years ago you had this guy in Palestine

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<v Speaker 3>who was saying things that turn out to be true

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<v Speaker 3>from functional neuroimaging two thousand years later, and so I

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<v Speaker 3>just started noticing that there were a lot of things

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<v Speaker 3>that aligned with scripture and modern cognitive neuroscience. And whether

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<v Speaker 3>that's just that people are good observers of behavior and

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<v Speaker 3>they can make smart sayings like the Stokes did, or

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<v Speaker 3>if it's actually that the Bible was onto something and

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<v Speaker 3>those guys knew something is up for you to decide.

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<v Speaker 3>But I found, as a person who tries to think

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<v Speaker 3>critically about how I think and help other people get there,

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<v Speaker 3>that the Bible is a pretty good guide to how

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<v Speaker 3>humans can flourish. And whether you think that's real and

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<v Speaker 3>eternal truth or you think it's just a good book

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<v Speaker 3>full of information, it's worth knowing. So the first thing

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<v Speaker 3>I would say is if you want the final thing,

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<v Speaker 3>I would say is if you want to talk about

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<v Speaker 3>or sort of bendit from what scripture might say, the

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<v Speaker 3>best way to do that is to read it for

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<v Speaker 3>yourself and not let somebody else tell you what it says.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I love it well before we end today's episode

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<v Speaker 1>and head over to the beliefs and behavior side of it,

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<v Speaker 1>which if you're getting the memo, it's all interconnected, this

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<v Speaker 1>idea of the difference between unconscious subconscious conscious. Can you

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<v Speaker 1>just give us your thirty thousand foot overview of what

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<v Speaker 1>that looks like and how that transforms into each other.

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<v Speaker 3>So your subconscious has a lot to do with synapses,

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<v Speaker 3>as we've been talking a lot about in the last

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<v Speaker 3>three episodes. So you attach meaning to physiology, feelings, and

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<v Speaker 3>past memories, and you basically stick those in parts of

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<v Speaker 3>your brain that don't require the input of your frontal

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<v Speaker 3>lobe and your higher cognitive centers to operate. So that's

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<v Speaker 3>how you automate certain behaviors, and it's how you automate

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<v Speaker 3>certain ways that you operate your life without having to

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<v Speaker 3>sort of use metabolic energy to think about those things.

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<v Speaker 3>But you find yourself having done a lot of things.

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<v Speaker 3>You walked across your house this morning when the lights

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<v Speaker 3>went on and the sun wasn't up yet, and you

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<v Speaker 3>didn't hit your foot on the coffee table because your

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<v Speaker 3>brain already knows where it is. You've wired that, and

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<v Speaker 3>so subconsciously you'd make the turns and you avoid the trouble.

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<v Speaker 3>And you do the same thing in your mental life.

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<v Speaker 3>You sort of do a lot of things mentally without

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<v Speaker 3>having to think about them because your subconscious is out

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<v Speaker 3>there accessing all that information without you having to literally

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<v Speaker 3>think about it. And then there's this sort of super

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<v Speaker 3>conscious idea if you want that. We now know for

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<v Speaker 3>sure that your mind is non local to your brain,

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<v Speaker 3>like a brain in mind are not the same thing,

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<v Speaker 3>and we can have a whole multiple hour conversation about that,

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<v Speaker 3>but mind and brain are two different things, and they're

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<v Speaker 3>two different things that and that's been proven mathematically in

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<v Speaker 3>quantum physics, basically that your mind can affect other people's

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<v Speaker 3>lives without your body and being involved in it. And

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<v Speaker 3>that's a long conversation. But the reason I mention it

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<v Speaker 3>is that part of how you're operating and navigating your

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<v Speaker 3>life comes from outside of your brain. And I think

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<v Speaker 3>that mind brain interface is also where we have sort

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<v Speaker 3>of a mind spiritual interface with our creator, and that's

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<v Speaker 3>that's the way I think it's designed to operate, not

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<v Speaker 3>brain out, but mind down.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so glad that we're touching on all of this

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<v Speaker 1>because most of the people that are listening to this podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a very focused, narrow conversation of it's just about

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<v Speaker 1>the food, it's just about the fitness, it's just about

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<v Speaker 1>my weight, it's just about my body. And those are

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<v Speaker 1>all such downstream things to everything that we're talking about here.

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<v Speaker 1>So if there's anything that will give you hope, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just know that when you start solving the right problem

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<v Speaker 1>with such as the things that we're talking about on

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast, anything's possible.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's proven scientifically.

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<v Speaker 1>But then if we do open up the spiritual realm,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like miracles can happen too, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So don't lose hope wherever you are.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's actually a great segue to talk about your books,

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<v Speaker 1>your podcast and where people can find you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So anywhere you listen to podcasts, you can find

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<v Speaker 3>the Doctor Lee Warren podcast. I have a second podcast

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<v Speaker 3>called Spiritual Brain Surgery that goes a little bit deeper

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<v Speaker 3>on the spiritual side of things, and then I write

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<v Speaker 3>a Substack newsletter every week called Self Brain Surgery and

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<v Speaker 3>that's doctor Lee Warren dot substack dot com. And if

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<v Speaker 3>you want to read my books, just tap in my

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<v Speaker 3>name on Amazon or anywhere you buy books and they're

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<v Speaker 3>all out there, easy to.

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<v Speaker 2>Find me amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you want to hear more about what brought

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Warren to become the man that he's become, we

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<v Speaker 1>did a deep dive on the What's God Got to

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<v Speaker 1>Do with It podcast where he share he has such

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<v Speaker 1>a beautiful story and testimony, but also how he used

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<v Speaker 1>the tragedy and trauma in his life for good and

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<v Speaker 1>he's really speaking hope and truth into all of our

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<v Speaker 1>lives and really just I believe changing the face of

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<v Speaker 1>how we see the brain and hope and possibility, and

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<v Speaker 1>my spiritual heart has opened.

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<v Speaker 2>So I really.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't endorse his podcast his books anymore. So we'll also

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<v Speaker 1>link those in the show notes and we will be

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<v Speaker 1>back to finish up this neuro series next week where

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to be talking about neuro habits. So that

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<v Speaker 1>includes the doing side of it, which is what people

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<v Speaker 1>rush to to start with, but obviously we put it

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<v Speaker 1>last for a reason, so we will be back to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about that

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<v Speaker 2>Next week and have a beautiful week five.