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Speaker 2: Welcome to episode five point forty one with Brett Eldridge.

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Speaker 2: This was a very difficult interview for me because when

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Speaker 3: It makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 2: Going into this. I thought, man, I know everything. Like

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Speaker 2: He was going to do no press for his Christmas tour.

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Speaker 2: He's not one to ever ask to do anything, especially me.

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Speaker 2: He's I can ask me for anything, and I was like, dude,

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Speaker 2: We had just hung out like three days prior and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I did too. I don't really know, because we

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Speaker 3: But the Christmas show is awesome. I'm not even a

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Speaker 2: Just never had many Christmases that I look at as

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Speaker 2: New York, Detroit, and Boston right after after Thanksgiving. It's

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Speaker 2: like night one after Thanksgiving in Nashville. It's Friday, November

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you guys should go. It's really great.

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Speaker 2: You can even I would even say, if you can

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Speaker 2: But yeah, he's one of my dearest friends. And he

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Speaker 2: So go to Brett Eldridge dot com. Depending on when

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Speaker 2: Brett Eldridge. All Right, honest question, how anxious are you

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Speaker 4: I'm not bad.

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Speaker 3: I am.

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Speaker 4: Maybe my kids discover them and.

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Speaker 4: But it's really hard. I've found that really hard to do.

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Speaker 1: So I got a time and a half on TASTS,

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Speaker 1: and I still, like the kids would get done with

441
00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,119
Speaker 1: their tests thirty minutes in the class, I'd still be

442
00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,800
Speaker 1: on my first page by the time everybody lest the class.

443
00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,560
Speaker 1: Then I have to go to this different room from everybody,

444
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Speaker 1: Like I've always kind of it's always taken me longer

445
00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,240
Speaker 1: to figure things out. It's also a gift, I think

446
00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:16,399
Speaker 1: in some ways, because I think differently. I think a

447
00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,159
Speaker 1: lot of creative people have ADHD or whatever, these different

448
00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:23,560
Speaker 1: ways of seeing things. But finishing a task is really

449
00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,399
Speaker 1: hard for me to do. And yeah, if I didn't

450
00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:31,119
Speaker 1: have a deadline on about anything, I would be I

451
00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:31,840
Speaker 1: would be in trouble.

452
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Speaker 3: I think.

453
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Speaker 1: I don't even because that's usually also when I do

454
00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:36,640
Speaker 1: some of my best work is that it's crammed in.

455
00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,280
Speaker 1: I've been ruminating on all these different ideas over and

456
00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,439
Speaker 1: over and over and over for a long time. I

457
00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,359
Speaker 1: just haven't put them to work because I hadn't had to.

458
00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,200
Speaker 1: But if I have a deadline, I was just I'm

459
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Speaker 1: working on a Christmas children's book and the call was

460
00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:57,199
Speaker 1: earlier today and I hadn't I hadn't even finished my

461
00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:02,000
Speaker 1: revisions yet or anything. And I sat down like an

462
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,840
Speaker 1: hour before the thing and I got it done. But

463
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,639
Speaker 1: that was only because I had the deadline.

464
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Speaker 3: And I wish.

465
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Speaker 1: I wish a lot of times I'm like, why can

466
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Speaker 1: I just do it like a normal person. That's what

467
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,119
Speaker 1: your head says, is like, what's wrong with the or

468
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:15,960
Speaker 1: why can I just do it like a normal person?

469
00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:18,120
Speaker 1: And I do feel that way a lot of time,

470
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,200
Speaker 1: but also like it usually ends up happening, it's got

471
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Speaker 1: to have a good people in my corner that helped

472
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,240
Speaker 1: kind of guide me along. And I'm sure it's very

473
00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,320
Speaker 1: frustrating to deal with somebody like me in that way,

474
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,920
Speaker 1: but it also you know, here we are.

475
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,119
Speaker 2: What's up with the dyslexia? Would they like, what version

476
00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:35,560
Speaker 2: of what kind?

477
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't even I guess I didn't know.

478
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 1: There's different flavors, but.

479
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Eddie has dyscalcula, which is a number type.

480
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 2: Amy has dyslexia where it's not so much backward but

481
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 2: things are out of place. I don't know if there

482
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Speaker 2: was ever any specifics they gave you about yours.

483
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Speaker 3: Is it backward at all?

484
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Speaker 1: It's not backward, it's I mean, I know, like when

485
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Speaker 1: I read something, I do all audio books, and I

486
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Speaker 1: didn't remember because it was long ago when I got

487
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,879
Speaker 1: diagnosed with that. But when I read something, I have

488
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,119
Speaker 1: to go back and read a bunch of times. So

489
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 1: it's not like technically I read backwards. I just don't like,

490
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 1: I don't retain it a lot.

491
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Speaker 3: That could be the ADD or ADHD.

492
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Speaker 1: As well, yes, for sure, and which I when I

493
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 1: got diagnosed with that probably I don't know six months

494
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 1: ago it was. I did like, I did all these questions.

495
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,679
Speaker 1: I did all these questionnaires. I had like a specialist

496
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 1: that kind of I was like, I want to really

497
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 1: dive into my I'm always trying to figure out what's

498
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 1: going on up here, and uh, he went through all

499
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:34,359
Speaker 1: these questionnaires he called closer relationships of mine for my

500
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 1: family and stuff, to see how they experience whatever these

501
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 1: things are, which is a very vulnerable thing they're probably telling.

502
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 3: Them now, Yeah, which but I thought it was cool,

503
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 3: like I didn't.

504
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Speaker 1: Luckily he didn't tell me all the things that you know,

505
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:48,920
Speaker 1: they had said maybe that actually would be good feedback.

506
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 1: But he had came with you know that I had

507
00:22:54,800 --> 00:23:00,080
Speaker 1: eight diagnosed with ADHD, and I wasn't surprised, but I

508
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 1: also felt kind of seen in a way of like

509
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,120
Speaker 1: I've known my whole life that it didn't like make

510
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 1: me feel less than it just made me feel more like, Okay,

511
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 1: I'm not crazy on when I struggle with these things

512
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 1: like clutter or I get really anxious from clutter. But

513
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 1: I also make clutter because I can't figure out how

514
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 1: to where to put it an organization and that kind

515
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,919
Speaker 1: of stuff. But I can create really well, you know.

516
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 1: My therapist calls it ADHG sometimes like attention deficit hyperactivity gift,

517
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 1: like the gift part. It can be like a gift

518
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,719
Speaker 1: in some ways, it feels a lot of times not.

519
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 1: But if I'm writing a song, I will jump around

520
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 1: to about six different ideas in the middle of the right,

521
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 1: which some writers I'm sure get driven nuts, like we

522
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,919
Speaker 1: could be two hours into an idea, and I'll just

523
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,719
Speaker 1: lose kind of that feeling of this is wasting all

524
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,679
Speaker 1: of our time. I have this other idea, and then

525
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 1: I'll bounce to another one, and somehow usually my instinct

526
00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 1: will go, this thing feels like the best expression of me,

527
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: like and so I think without that, I don't know

528
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,439
Speaker 1: if I would have the same creative skills and gift,

529
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 1: if you want to call it ADHG. And so in

530
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 1: some ways it's really debilitating, and it makes life very difficult.

531
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: Sometimes even when I was a kid, I can still

532
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 1: hear my mom saying when you when you take something off,

533
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 1: take it straight to the hamper and put it in

534
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 1: the hamper, and I'd be like, I'm trying, mom. I've

535
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:28,919
Speaker 1: tried this so many times, and I still hear that

536
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,120
Speaker 1: in the back of my head, and I still struggle

537
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 1: with it all the time. And I like, I'll see

538
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,159
Speaker 1: something that's sitting in the corner of the room that

539
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 1: I've been saying I'm going to move for like a month,

540
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 1: and I still haven't done. And I know I want

541
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 1: to do it, but I just get frozen from all

542
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 1: these different things, or booking hotel rooms. If I have

543
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 1: different options, I freeze and I'll take months to do it.

544
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Speaker 3: Are you able to mak a TV show or a

545
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 3: Netflix show? If that's hard? If you don't have one

546
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 3: going in, that's really hard.

547
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: Like I'll do the like or even restaurants, like go

548
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 1: through Yelp for like an hour to figure out the

549
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 1: exact one. And I remember that show Master of None.

550
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 1: They did that on that show, But it's so true,

551
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: Like I'll spend an hour. Look, I mean maybe an hour,

552
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: about half an hour, but it could be an hour

553
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: looking for the right restaurant for the right hotel and

554
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you're like, Okay, I

555
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: would have had a good time at any of the restaurants,

556
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 1: any of the hotels. I would have enjoyed it either way.

557
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 1: I just need to jump into the thing. It's easy

558
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,120
Speaker 1: to say that, but when you're in that space, man,

559
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: it just it absolutely.

560
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 3: Freezes me up.

561
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Speaker 5: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor,

562
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Speaker 5: and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

563
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Speaker 3: Last question about this. Have you tried adderall?

564
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 1: No, but I've tried a non stimulant medication for that

565
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,439
Speaker 1: and it kind of it didn't work for me.

566
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 4: It works for some people.

567
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: But I'm kind of open to different ways of trying

568
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:03,640
Speaker 1: different medications because I think I saw something like I've

569
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 1: actually I remember big researchers like six to eight percent

570
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: of the population has ADHD's like fifteen some million or

571
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,679
Speaker 1: I can't remember what the number was, but in the US,

572
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: and like, there's a lot of downsides if you don't

573
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: treat it, you know, to relationships, to a lot of

574
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: different things. So I'm not against it, you know, I

575
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: think everybody's got to find their own thing. I just

576
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Speaker 1: I'm always I'm always cautious, but I'm also open to

577
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:36,199
Speaker 1: trying something I'd never tried adderall, I mean, especially growing up.

578
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't really feel like I have any

579
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,919
Speaker 2: sort of add or ADHD. I I like hyper focus,

580
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 2: which I also learned is a version of it as well,

581
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 2: really hyper focus.

582
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 3: Hyper focus in my way, like.

583
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 2: On anything, I get obsessed, even addicted, even working on

584
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 2: a singular project, I get hyper focused on. I can't

585
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 2: do anything else. I won't even allow myself to like

586
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 2: get water because until I to this point, I don't

587
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 2: deserve water yet.

588
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 3: So it's very much that. And i'd never tried out at all.

589
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 2: But then I had and it's something I haven't talked

590
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 2: about a bunch, but I had those and you know

591
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 2: about it. But I had like those a schemic strokes,

592
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 2: had three of them. And we had tried all kinds

593
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 2: of stuff to get my brain back almost like jump started,

594
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 2: like kickstarted, and my doctor was like, you should try

595
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 2: adder all because I was like eighty percent there. But

596
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 2: I'm talking about for a year I just couldn't click right.

597
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 2: And I had we had just found out that that's

598
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 2: what it was, these these blood clots in my brain,

599
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 2: and that it had created these schemic strokes and it's like,

600
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 2: try it out, And so I started taking it, and

601
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 2: it was the greatest thing I had ever tried, except

602
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 2: I super hyper focused again like I did before, but

603
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 2: I felt like myself for the first time forever.

604
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 3: And I stopped taking it.

605
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 2: Probably I don't know, it's been a while since I've

606
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 2: taken it.

607
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 3: But I only stopped taking it.

608
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 2: Because I got fearful that I wasn't going to have

609
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 2: it anymore because I see all the news stories about

610
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 2: how they were running out of adderall, and I was.

611
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 3: Like, I gotta get ahead of this. I gotta stop

612
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 3: taking it because if I get attached to it or

613
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 3: addicted to it or dependent on it and they run out,

614
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 3: my life's gonna be over.

615
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 2: So then I started gett anxious about that, so I

616
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 2: just stopped taking it. But it's what helped my brain

617
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 2: so much after those strokes. I think I'm probably ninety

618
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 2: seven percent there at this point, right, but I think

619
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,479
Speaker 2: adderall and I'd never known to take it, but there

620
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 2: are people that took into college and they were like, man,

621
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 2: you focus so good. I didn't really feel a different.

622
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 2: I never felt like a euphoric feeling with it, right

623
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 2: because I would watch like.

624
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 3: Righteous Gemstones and they would like take Adderall and be like,

625
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 3: let's get messed up. Yeah, I never got that from Adderall.

626
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 2: It actually made me feel a bit like I used

627
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 2: to feel before I had those brain issues, those blacking clives.

628
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 2: This made me feel normal, kind of made me feel

629
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 2: as close that I've ever felt to be in back

630
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 2: the me before I had those brain issues.

631
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's cool. Yeah, And that was kind of

632
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 3: like a last ditch effort by us.

633
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 2: He was like, you should try adderall because it could

634
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 2: actually affect your brain in a way that stimulates it,

635
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 2: because it is a stimulant for sure. And I tried

636
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 2: the long, the slow release, and for somebody that doesn't

637
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 2: sleep well in a way, and it's still slow releasing

638
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 2: at three o'clock, never slept. So then I would take

639
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 2: and I don't I forget the name of it, but

640
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 2: it's a pill that's not a slow release, like it

641
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 2: all hits you all of a sudden and then by

642
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 2: noon it was gone.

643
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

644
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 2: Well I still had trouble sleeping, but it wasn't from

645
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 2: the adderall. The Adderall affected me in a way when

646
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 2: it was a slow release that it was affecting my

647
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 2: already bad sleep, but yeah, I enjoyed it. I just thought, well,

648
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 2: they're going to run out, so I'll go ahead and

649
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 2: cut right now.

650
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, like what happens if a zombie apocalypse.

651
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,239
Speaker 3: Happening and I don't have any adderall, so I'm going

652
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 3: to be a Yeah. So I started feeling anxious that

653
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 3: they were.

654
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 2: Going to run out of at all, so I stopped

655
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 2: taking adderall and I don't really feel any different not

656
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 2: having it now, but it really did help my brain.

657
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 2: I'm convinced that that is what stimulated my brain to

658
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 2: more of a sense of normalcy. Or it could have

659
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 2: even been because I'm a big believer too in that

660
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 2: if you just believe something, sometimes you can trick yourself.

661
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 2: And I think a big time I could have taken

662
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 2: it and felt more normal and then convinced myself that

663
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 2: it's possible to feel more normal, that I'm not totally broken.

664
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 2: And since it was like the first time they're in

665
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 2: a form in a mile right, nobody could do it.

666
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 2: One person didn't, and then everybody started doing it, Yeah,

667
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 2: I took it, and then I thought, oh, I can

668
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 2: be more normal again, So I'm going to work toward that.

669
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 2: And so yeah, I haven't taken it in a long time.

670
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 2: But one, it worked so effective. It was so effective

671
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 2: for me. And two I think I needed that, Yeah,

672
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 2: like I needed that.

673
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 4: It's so interesting.

674
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: There's you know, we live in an era of so

675
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: much information thrown at us all the time, and there's

676
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: a lot of bad stigma towards medications and everything. I

677
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: used to be very like, very natural, and I still

678
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: am as much as I can, but even with anxiety

679
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: through the years, you know, and I haven't really talked

680
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: a lot about this, but I'm very much I've I've

681
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: I would try to just get through it by you know,

682
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: sheer strength and resilience and and I would never think, Okay,

683
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try medication, because there's all these things of

684
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: you know, you just hear all this different stuff online

685
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: and and it felt like a weakness or something to

686
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: try and medication.

687
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 4: And it's and it was stupid.

688
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: I mean, hindsight's stupid because I ended up, you know,

689
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: trying different things and I found something that really helped me,

690
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: and I took for a while, and uh, and so

691
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: you know, I think every person needs to go to

692
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: a doctor and talk to him about it. But I

693
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: think you know mine, you know, meditation has helped me

694
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: a lot. They're all just tools and they're not gonna

695
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: they're not going to cure your ailment or whatever you

696
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: want to call it, your challenge. But even with something

697
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: like I haven't you know, because I remember one of

698
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: the first doctors I want to he's like, you know,

699
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: I'm not going to give you adderall because it's pretty

700
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: much legal speed. And that's like I remember telling my my, my,

701
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: my therapist that and he's like, that's the worst kind

702
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: of a way of phrasing it, because this is what

703
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: This actually saves people's lives and it really helps people.

704
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: And so yes, they can be abused, and there's different

705
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: medicines that can but there's also stuff that really help people.

706
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: And I think everybody should be curious and also know

707
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,479
Speaker 1: that it's not gonna. It's not going to cure you,

708
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: but there are different tools from natural to pharmacological, whatever

709
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: it is, that.

710
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 4: Can help you.

711
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: And I've and i've I fully am open to different

712
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: ways that that helps you move forward in life.

713
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 2: You know, my wife is a big part of me

714
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 2: removing the shame of taking medicine. And I have a

715
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 2: different history with taking anything because a lot of my

716
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 2: family died from drugs and alcohol, so it's kind of

717
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 2: a double But I remember I was going through some

718
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 2: issues and I don't want to take this medicine and

719
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 2: it's a bit PTSD. It was a bit a bit,

720
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I got a bunch of things

721
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 2: happening up.

722
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 3: Here, yep.

723
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 2: And she was like, if you're knee hurt, would you

724
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 2: be a shame to take medic If your stomach was

725
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 2: messed up, would you be ashamed to take the medicine?

726
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 2: If you had blood pressure issues, would you be ashamed

727
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 2: to take the medicine?

728
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 3: And I was like no.

729
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 2: She's like, so why would you be ashamed to take

730
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 2: medicine just because it's working on a different part of

731
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 2: your body?

732
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 3: And I was like, that's a good point.

733
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 2: And then she said, what if one of your friends

734
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 2: came to you and said, I don't know, I have shame,

735
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 2: what would you say.

736
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 3: I'd be like, no, it's medicine.

737
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 2: She's like, exactly, like, treat yourself with the same love

738
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 2: that you would treat somebody that you do love. And

739
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 2: I felt like that impacted me in a very healthy way.

740
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 2: And so now I'm able to be a little better

741
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 2: at taking any sort of medicine because I understand if

742
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 2: I'm not abusing it, it's created for a reason at all.

743
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 3: It is pretty awesome.

744
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 2: I haven't had it in a while, but man, it's

745
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 2: pretty awesome. I remember seeing my wife. I remember we went.

746
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 3: To your Christmas show a couple of years ago for.

747
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 2: The first time, and her relationship with you has been

748
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 2: that of she did not know bred Elder's the singer

749
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 2: because especially all during CO but when she moved here,

750
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 2: you would obviously come over and we hung out a

751
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 2: lot because there was that you had your circle and

752
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 2: you just hung with you in her circle, and we

753
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 2: were in each other's inner circle. And so we had

754
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 2: spent probably a good year and a half spending a

755
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 2: lot of time together. But there was no performance aspect

756
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 2: to any part of us. There's no muse. We didn't

757
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 2: talk about really music unless there's music that we like

758
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 2: to listen to. But it was like we'd eat food

759
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 2: and talk and hang out. Yeah, yeah, whatever it was.

760
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 2: It was so normal. And we went to your Christmas

761
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 2: show the first time, and it was a little weird

762
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 2: for her because she didn't know that version of you,

763
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 2: and she and I've told you this story, but she

764
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 2: was like, I don't know, this feels weird. Like she

765
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 2: felt like you were going to come out and if

766
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 2: it was the same guy that we hung out with,

767
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 2: she was gonna be like, this is awkward. And you

768
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 2: came out and you embraced and definitely attacked the stage

769
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 2: and she started crying, and I was like, are you okay.

770
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 2: She was like, I've never seen him be so in

771
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 2: his element when you were doing your because shows, Like

772
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 2: she was emotional at watching you own something and look

773
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 2: like that you just belonged there.

774
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, And there is such a difference.

775
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 2: It's the same person, but it's different parts of that

776
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 2: same person of you when you get up on stage,

777
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 2: and I would say especially during the Christmas shows, because

778
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,280
Speaker 2: I've seen you perform in a bunch of different ways,

779
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 2: of course, but when you come out and you're in

780
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 2: the talks, it's almost like you're putting on a costume.

781
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:27,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, like Superman.

782
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 2: It allows you to be a different version of yourself.

783
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 3: Would you agree with that?

784
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, one hundred percent. And I think I always feel it.

785
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: Almas says, like a Superman cape throwing on a velvet tux,

786
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: you know, because it gives me this confidence of all

787
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: the people that I love doing that growing up too,

788
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: Like I idolized the Dean Martin's and Sinatra and Nat

789
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: King Cole and all these these people, and I don't know,

790
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: like it becomes this aura of of old soul storyteller

791
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: that I get that's kind of a huge part of

792
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: who I am. But I get to like really step

793
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: into that and like it's not a character, but it

794
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: in a way, you know what I mean, Like it's

795
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: it's fully me. It's just the most full, exaggerated version

796
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: of me. And in a way that I mean like

797
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 1: it's fully my heart. But it's like I am getting

798
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: to perform it and portray it in a an extreme

799
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: and in powerful way, and it makes me feel it

800
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: makes me feel like I have an important story to tell.

801
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 1: It also builds pressures from other parts of my head.

802
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: But but when I really get to see when I

803
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: go out to these shows and it's we're coming up,

804
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: I think on next year it will be like ten

805
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 1: years of glow.

806
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 4: Which is crazy.

807
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,720
Speaker 1: When I get to go see these just beautiful venues

808
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: that we get to play these shows at, and I

809
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,919
Speaker 1: see everybody dressing up and like people are wearing top

810
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: hats now in full tuxes and and dresses and ugly

811
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: Christmas weaters. You know, it's like a very much a

812
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: tradition now. To get to see that and get to

813
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: feel that, and like it reminds me of like when

814
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,399
Speaker 1: I was a kid decorating the tree of my mom

815
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: and dad, like and listening to Nat King Cole and

816
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 1: being Crosby and like all that kind of just swirls

817
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: and this feeling of tradition and connection. It really gives

818
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: me this sense of purpose and I it makes me.

819
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: It just transports me in the weirdest way that I

820
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 1: can't even really explain, other than when if you go

821
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: see a gloss show or whatever, you can feel it

822
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: even from everybody in the crowd, because this music is

823
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: so it's such a shared experience for everybody. Everybody has

824
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: some you know, people have different stories, but if you

825
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 1: love Christmas music, you know you have different stories that

826
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: a family or friendship or whatever it is, or just

827
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: watching these movies or listening to this music and you

828
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,919
Speaker 1: have this like feeling of connection with everybody, like it's

829
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: a shared experience. And so yeah, I'm up there, but

830
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: it's kind of everybody's show, and I just get to

831
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 1: be this like larger than life part of it that

832
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: like pulls us all together, and I'm really pulling from

833
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,479
Speaker 1: all their energy as well, and it's just really cool

834
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 1: to do that.

835
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 2: Do you put the tuxes on before the show again

836
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 2: to make sure you either haven't lost or put on

837
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 2: a bunch of weights?

838
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 3: Oh?

839
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: Every year, every and like this year, I uh, this year,

840
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: I've been I've been lifting a lot and like, I know,

841
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 1: I know, I don't look like crazy jacked, but I

842
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 1: but I put on a lot of muscle through like

843
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: over the last year. And I tried to put on

844
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: a tuxt the other day and it did not one

845
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: of them did not fit the way like my arms

846
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: and shoulders. Yeah, arms, shoulders, chest, we're tighter there. And

847
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, I guess I'll just have to

848
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: get more. I have so many tuxes, but yeah, every

849
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: year because I do it. Now I've got these really

850
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: nice tuxes. But how many do you have? Probably fifteen?

851
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,439
Speaker 1: No way, oh yeah, I would say fifteen. I would

852
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: say no, no less than twelve, but probably fifteen.

853
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 3: Do you have any?

854
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 4: Probably get three or four more of this year?

855
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:57,439
Speaker 3: Do you have a closet of them.

856
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it stays in a different part of the house,

857
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 2: like it's a dedicated tuxedo closet.

858
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

859
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: And I will tell you because a couple of years ago,

860
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: I left one on a plane and it was this

861
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: whole drama and we couldn't find it, and I know

862
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 1: it was in the in the plane, and eventually, like

863
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: social media, all my fans got on and actually helped

864
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: us find the talks and I got it back like

865
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: it was somehow just magically appeared from the airline.

866
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 3: Like it wasn't there.

867
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 1: And then when I told the story about it, fans

868
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: got ahold of that, and all of a sudden, all

869
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: these people from different airlines started hitting me up.

870
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 2: I can't remember which airline was. I don't want to

871
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 2: call them out. Was it like a lost and found.

872
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 3: No, it was well, I don't know, I don't know,

873
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 3: it just showed it.

874
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: It is kind of all of a sudden, like I

875
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,720
Speaker 1: couldn't get ahold of them, couldn't get ahold of them.

876
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: I had like my management reach out or something, and

877
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: as soon as like I had, I had talked about

878
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: it on some podcast or whatever it was. I can't

879
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: remember some of my fans got onto it, started talking

880
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 1: about it and the next thing you know, it shows up.

881
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: And so but these things are so delicate, like these

882
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: tuxes and they're they're really nice. But you know, I

883
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 1: wear these every year, so like this is my persona,

884
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: you know, I I want to feel a certain way

885
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 1: when I put on a tux.

886
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 4: I love a good suit of good tux.

887
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: I love the way it makes me feel confident in

888
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: it that fits good. And so I have these really

889
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: nice but like if you get a little bit of

890
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: like I remember Edgar, you know I used to bring

891
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: them on stage with me or yeah, my dog Edgar.

892
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 1: He's been retired for years now, but he he used

893
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: to be on stage with me and he got a

894
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: little bit of drool on one of my tuxes. But

895
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: it's velvet ruins it. One time I was doing a

896
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: Target commercial. I had a uh red velvet tux on.

897
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,439
Speaker 1: They made it fake snow on my head. The whole

898
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: tux was ruined because it because it snow was like

899
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 1: a wet like fake snow.

900
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 3: For that one. They they had already bought it.

901
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: Anyway, So but but just any like anything, if you

902
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: breathe wrong on those those velvet tuxes. They they they

903
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: get injured. At one time, a dry cleaner ruined a

904
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: tom Ford one I had. Yeah, they just kind of

905
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: they're very delicate, so you have to really handle them

906
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: with care and and uh but I love I love

907
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 1: having them and I think, you know, there's things that

908
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 1: I'll pass on to family one day and I love that.

909
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: How did these shows start? Uh? It started as a

910
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 1: at a place called the Suttler. Do you remember the Suttler?

911
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: It was it was in Nashville. It was I think

912
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: it's like a poncho and lefties or something. Now it's

913
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: it's like a small bar. Yes, it's like a small bar.

914
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: It's like there's like a there's a club in the basement.

915
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: And I was like, I want to start doing these

916
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: like a jazz Christmas show, play some some uh, because

917
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: you know, jazz is just as much a huge part

918
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: of my life as country was.

919
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 3: That's kind of how I started. So I was like,

920
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 3: I want to do one of these shows.

921
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: I'd already had hits on the radio and stuff, but

922
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: I wanted to really have some fun and just invite

923
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: some some friends, some ministry people that you know, people

924
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: from the label all that kind of stuff. So we

925
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: had like maybe a hundred tickets, like a golden ticket

926
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: kind of thing.

927
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 3: We invited them to this show. It wasn't called Glow yet.

928
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: It was just like a jazz I had like maybe

929
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 1: three piece or four piece horn section and a rhythm section,

930
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:17,919
Speaker 1: like drummer, piano player, bass player, guitar player down there

931
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: who played the songs. It was like, really, I had

932
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: the tucks. I was like, I was fully in the group.

933
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: I hadn't found the exact group of what it is now,

934
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: but that was the start of it. And then I

935
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: and everybody kept talking about so the next year we

936
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: do it a little bit bigger place.

937
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 4: I think we did it Skull's Rainbow.

938
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: Room, which is downtown, and then and then we did it,

939
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: you know, like City Winery maybe the next year. And

940
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: then we did it at the Country Music Hall of Fame.

941
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: So we just keep growing it every year, and then

942
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I made the Glow album and

943
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm going to fully record this music.

944
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 4: It's not it's not going to be like I'm people.

945
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,760
Speaker 1: Know enough about me that I'm I've got this jazz

946
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: background that I've got this this crooner kind of voice

947
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: kind of stuff.

948
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna go for it. I'm not gonna try

949
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:06,959
Speaker 4: to make a country.

950
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm gonna do exactly what this this

951
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: kind of stuff that I grew up listening to that

952
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: I love, and I think we can pull it off.

953
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 1: And we went and made the record and and it

954
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 1: just worked, like the when Glow came out, it worked.

955
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden we did like one

956
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 1: show at maybe Irving Plaza I think in New York,

957
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: a little little venue but like pretty old classic venue,

958
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: and then it just took off. And then every year

959
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: we do one night at the Rhyme and two nights,

960
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: three nights, did bridgetone last year we go to the

961
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 1: Beacon multiple nights Chicago, three nights in Chicago, and so

962
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: it just kept growing, and it just like I get

963
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: to get to do this thing that I love, and

964
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: and and as much pressure and as much like small

965
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: amount of time. You have a window of three and

966
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: a half weeks to do this tour like and it's

967
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 1: a lot in a short amount of time, but it's

968
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: it's so much fun and it's so fulfilling in a way.

969
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 4: I just have to stay in my a game. I

970
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 4: got to get my best sleep.

971
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: And because I feel this this obligation to to bring

972
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 1: something special to the crowd on these shows, and like,

973
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: if I could, I was saying this the other day,

974
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: if I could convince it, And I want people to

975
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: see my regular shows too, and they're really special.

976
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 4: But if I could convince.

977
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: Anybody of anything was to go see a Gloss show,

978
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: if anything in my life, like, I want them to

979
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: see that because it's once in a lifetime kind of

980
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: experience to be able to step back into this you know,

981
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: comfort and almost like escape the world for a while.

982
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: And it's it's way bigger than us up there on

983
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: the stage. It's kind of everybody, and I think it's

984
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: just a tradition that you know.

985
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 4: I'm just glad to get to be a.

986
00:44:48,200 --> 00:45:00,919
Speaker 6: Part of the Bobby Cast. Will be right back. This

987
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 6: is the Bobby Cast.

988
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:08,479
Speaker 2: And so you're doing this year for twelve dates. Looking

989
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 2: at the cities here, yeah, tell me because I don't

990
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 2: remember all them. Boston, ye, Saint Louis, yep, New York, Chicago, Detroit,

991
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 2: Nashville yep.

992
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 3: Yeah.

993
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: And it's so hard to pick how you do it

994
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: because there's such a small amount of time, and fans

995
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: get so mad, like, well, why don't you come to

996
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: California or why don't you come to floor. It's like

997
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: there's only like, there's only so many days and you

998
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: have to hit these major Christmas cities.

999
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 2: What about the band? It's a big band with people

1000
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 2: that you don't normally play with.

1001
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: Well, now that's why how I used to do it.

1002
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: I used to fly to like New York. I'd have

1003
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: the players from New York, which like some of the

1004
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:46,280
Speaker 1: best out there. But we have incredible jazz musicians in Nashville,

1005
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: and so we're like, let's keep this consistent. I don't know,

1006
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: maybe four years ago or so, we started traveling with

1007
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: Nashville musicians and so we have the same band now,

1008
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: so the.

1009
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 3: Whole band travels with you, the whole all the brass.

1010
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have an eight eight piece horn section. Uh yeah,

1011
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,280
Speaker 1: so it's like a twelve piece orchestra.

1012
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1013
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 2: Is that way more expensive than your normal band? Oh

1014
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 2: yeah yeah. Yeah, it's an expensive it's an experience.

1015
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: It's an expensive experience, and on the business side, but

1016
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: like for me, it's like, yeah, it's very expensive to

1017
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: put on. But man, it just it's there's the only

1018
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: way to do it, and it's and it's so worth

1019
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 1: it for me, Like I would rather spend that money

1020
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: and like feel that punch of the horns and that

1021
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: this explosion that you feel from of energy from the

1022
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: horn section, and and also like the gentle moments of

1023
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: a holy night and silent night, and and and some

1024
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: of these original songs I've got to write, and it's

1025
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: just a beautiful flow and without without that big orchestra,

1026
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: it just it makes the experience even more special. And

1027
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: then the stories I share, these stories of my past,

1028
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: you know, from being a kid to still creating memories

1029
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: with my family every year, and and and it's.

1030
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 4: Just really cool to do that.

1031
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: And I think all of that kind of makes it

1032
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 1: the element that makes it special.

1033
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 2: If anybody's going to these shows, I'm sure some of

1034
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 2: you are that are listening, I would make a suggestion

1035
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 2: that there are a couple of times during the show

1036
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 2: where the music cuts out and Brett sings very acapella,

1037
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 2: don't talk.

1038
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 3: Like that.

1039
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 2: People have no understanding of hey, shut up, yeah, because

1040
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 2: it's a moment and I don't know one of the

1041
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 2: what's one of the songs that you do that.

1042
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 3: It's the end I do. I close with the first

1043
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 3: Noel's yeah, and so the band goes down and it's

1044
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 3: just to you. Yeah.

1045
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 2: And that's really the only time that I think everybody's

1046
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 2: encouraged to be quiet. Yeah, because these are songs we know,

1047
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 2: and everybody sings along and you have good energy, your

1048
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 2: band leader's great, everything's happening and it's awesome. But that

1049
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:50,240
Speaker 2: the first Noel, it's ayah and therapy.

1050
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 3: There are shushers, and I have respect the shush. I

1051
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 3: love the old Yeah, third grade school teacher shushes.

1052
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 2: I respect the shushers if somebody's talking in this situation

1053
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 2: because I never have a problem with any kind of

1054
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 2: show of singing along, of having a good time standing up,

1055
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 2: like do all of that.

1056
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 3: You bought a ticket it as you're right.

1057
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, But Mike, my encouraging moment here is don't talk

1058
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 2: during the last Noel?

1059
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 3: Would you co sign that the last no? Sorry? Yeah,

1060
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 3: it's darring bubby bah. The first, Yeah, there was a

1061
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 3: first and now the last. I love that you wud

1062
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 3: encourage people to be quiet for that one. Right.

1063
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,919
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And I've had I've I've had some weird

1064
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 1: stuff happened during that because mostly everybody knows it too,

1065
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: like it's a tradition now to where I close with it,

1066
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: like I wanted to be how we end every show

1067
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: because it's this really gentle moment that is so magic,

1068
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,280
Speaker 1: and people stand up, sometimes people cry.

1069
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 3: Sometimes somebody will sing along with you and they're way

1070
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 3: out of tune. I mean there was one time where

1071
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 3: there's no music. Again, Yeah, there's no no music. It's

1072
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 3: just me.

1073
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: No, I'm not even holding a microphone, and it's it's

1074
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: actually Tony Bennet used to do this, and that's how

1075
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: I I wanted to try it. Was like Tony Bennett

1076
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: used to put his microphone down and and seeing acapella

1077
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 1: of the crowd, and I'm a huge Tony benfan, and

1078
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 1: so I wanted to try it.

1079
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 4: And then I did it, and it started to just

1080
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 4: become this thing.

1081
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I've had years where somebody, like somebody up

1082
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: in the balcony one year was so out of key

1083
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: and it's hammer drunk and they're singing the first no well,

1084
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 1: and I am about to lose it, like I and

1085
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: I'm only person singing up there with no music. I

1086
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: don't have a They can't take a solo behind me

1087
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: as this lady's just shredding the first noel and every

1088
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: note that doesn't exist in the actual key of that

1089
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 1: we're singing in, and I just held it together.

1090
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 3: But everybody after the show, the man's like, did you

1091
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 3: guys hear that? Lady? It was like it was.

1092
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: Unbelievable And it still makes for great memories. But I'm

1093
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: so glad that hardly ever happens. But there's all there's there.

1094
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: You know, you can't predict anything from a show. But uh,

1095
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 1: but that's cool too. But I'd love that the prediction

1096
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: is that the shows are going to end like that,

1097
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 1: because like it leaves everybody walking out like with this

1098
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 1: this piece of joy and warmth in their heart and

1099
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 1: they can go on their their life where they can,

1100
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: you know, hug the person next to them and think,

1101
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 1: you know what, we were all in this room sharing,

1102
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: you know, something special together. Nobody was fighting. I've never

1103
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 1: had a Christmas fight. I've had I've seen fights in

1104
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: my crowds at at regular shows. I remember playing Me

1105
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: to Me one night and watching a guy just pummel

1106
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: somebody over the head from like a and uh, but

1107
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: I've never I've never had a fight at a Christmas show,

1108
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: and that's it's.

1109
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 4: Not that kind of environment. But uh, it's it's pretty cool.

1110
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 2: Did you ever think that you would play your hits

1111
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 2: during the Christmas shows?

1112
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 3: At least at first, you.

1113
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: Know what, I made a full commitment. I was like,

1114
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: because you know, when a tru first started, I didn't

1115
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 1: know if people would understand, like, this isn't a like

1116
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: country show at all, there's nothing to do a country show.

1117
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: This is full on Christmas. And I was like, I

1118
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 1: don't want to. I don't I can do that in

1119
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: other shows. I want this to be full on Christmas.

1120
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 1: When you come, this is what you're getting and it's

1121
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 1: going to be really damn good. And so I never

1122
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: I never did any of my other songs because I

1123
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:07,879
Speaker 1: it's just a whole different.

1124
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:11,800
Speaker 4: Thing, and I wondered if it would be a problem.

1125
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: And it was like the opposite of that, Like it

1126
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 1: was just like everybody knew what they were coming for,

1127
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: especially after we started to build it every year, and

1128
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: it's just like, yeah, it's full on Christmas, nothing else,

1129
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 1: and uh it works.

1130
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 3: What's your biggest song? Not Christmas? What's your biggest song?

1131
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 2: I don't know, what song do you play at a

1132
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 2: show and you feel the most energy back from the crowd.

1133
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 4: Drunk on your Love or Beat to the music.

1134
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't ask me, I'm asking you no, I know,

1135
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:41,919
Speaker 2: I know, I don't even know either.

1136
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm trying to think, like I mean, I

1137
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,720
Speaker 1: it's different every night. But I would say between drunk

1138
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 1: and your Love, beat to the music, and want to

1139
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:49,399
Speaker 1: be that song?

1140
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 4: Between those three, I think which he just picked?

1141
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,959
Speaker 3: I picked three songs because I don't know. I don't know.

1142
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 1: It's like a lot of times I close out with

1143
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: beating the music and people go nuts for that one,

1144
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: and that was a big one. But I some nights

1145
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: people really want to, you know, be the crowd that

1146
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 1: throws their arms up and want to be that song

1147
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: and wave them around. Or some people want like a

1148
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:11,919
Speaker 1: groove like Drunken your Love. So it's so hard to pick.

1149
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 1: But I would say, if I had to pick one

1150
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 1: of them, maybe it's beat of the music, but it's

1151
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: it's all.

1152
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 4: It's definitely a toss up.

1153
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 3: What was the song that changed your life?

1154
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: Ooh, I think that the album that changed my perspective

1155
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: was Sunday Drive.

1156
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 2: The song that changed my career. Yeah, like what changed

1157
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,720
Speaker 2: your career? You're in town, you're trying to make it. Yeah,

1158
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 2: this song you cut it, it gets put out and

1159
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 2: your life is different after it makes its run.

1160
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 1: Oh don't you for sure? The first Yeah? Yeah, the

1161
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: first and that was it took like fifty some weeks

1162
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:51,280
Speaker 1: to go number one, and yeah, it was a really

1163
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: slow climb and uh yeah, it was definitely.

1164
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 3: Don't you Did you have any songs before that that

1165
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 3: didn't work?

1166
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Raymond Raymond was my first single and it was about, uh,

1167
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,720
Speaker 1: my grandmother had Alzheimer's and so I wrote a song

1168
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 1: about basically a guy working in a nursing home that

1169
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 1: forms a relationship with one of the patients there that

1170
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 1: they she thinks he's her son. And I wrote this

1171
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: song about it, and it was. It was a beautiful song.

1172
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: I think it went to the twenties, like maybe twenty

1173
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: two in the chart. So it wasn't like a big hit,

1174
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: but it was a good start.

1175
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 3: That's a hard launch. That's some deep stuff. Yeah, I'm

1176
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:28,839
Speaker 3: new artists, Brady Algie.

1177
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, here's a song about Itzeimer's Yeah, wow.

1178
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 3: Yeah it was.

1179
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: But it was like, so my grandmother had passed from

1180
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 1: Alzheimer's around that time. It was something important to me

1181
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 1: and I I've always loved that about country music, is

1182
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: like you can go straight to the heart, even if

1183
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: it's deep and sad. Like I was like, I'm going

1184
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: in and uh, I think I think it was the

1185
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 1: perfect way to launch because it it gave me some legitimacy.

1186
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: But I like I had to go back and and

1187
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:56,800
Speaker 1: I had a whole like I had a whole album

1188
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: put together before Don't You came and and I once

1189
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: Raymond kind of like did his thing and fizzled out

1190
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: in the twenties or whatever. I was like, you know,

1191
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go in. No one said like this album

1192
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 1: is gonna work. I was just like, I'm gonna go in.

1193
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna write a bunch more stuff. And I just

1194
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 1: started grinding and I really got into working out. I

1195
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 1: try to like get myself healthy and like, you know,

1196
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna go I'm gonna go hard.

1197
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 4: And I wrote don't you.

1198
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:25,720
Speaker 1: Bet to the music mean to me like all these

1199
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 1: songs from my first album and uh, and then that

1200
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: was the album that became the album. But there's still

1201
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: songs from that first album, but it was way more.

1202
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: There was some really like super country stuff on the

1203
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: first one, and then I went back and kind of

1204
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 1: found more of what was me.

1205
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 2: When Raymond didn't work. Was there at all like an

1206
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 2: internal crisis?

1207
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 1: You know, it's so weird. I would the way my

1208
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: mind works now, I would probably.

1209
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 4: Think so, but I don't know.

1210
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: It was like kind of this thing of you know,

1211
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: I had a record deal, which is never a guarantee.

1212
00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: I mean there's you know, so many purely good record

1213
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: deals and sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, and sometimes

1214
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 1: luck is on your side, sometimes it's not.

1215
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 3: Whatever.

1216
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: But uh, for some reason, No, I almost like fired

1217
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: me up more to like I'm gonna go figure this out.

1218
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: I think now, like, once you get the success, you're like, oh,

1219
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 1: I've worked so hard to get this, Okay, what happens

1220
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: when that changes or when you you know, and then

1221
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,240
Speaker 1: you have to just revision what success is. And I've

1222
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 1: definitely done that over the last five years or so,

1223
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: probably since COVID, But at that point, yeah, I would

1224
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,720
Speaker 1: have thought like if I looked at it my mind

1225
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: from years later after success, you'd be like, yeah, you

1226
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 1: think that would have shot me down and been like,

1227
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: oh man, maybe I'm gonna have to go back to

1228
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 1: living in my little town in Illinois or whatever, you know,

1229
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:48,319
Speaker 1: But I never had that.

1230
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 4: I never had that.

1231
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 3: I'm surprised you don't have a boat.

1232
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,800
Speaker 1: I've you know what the reason why I don't have

1233
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 1: a boat, Yes, because I'm scared I'm going to crash

1234
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:56,919
Speaker 1: into somebody else's boat.

1235
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 3: I don't care if I hurt my boat.

1236
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:03,320
Speaker 1: But I I'm very much like a non confrontational person

1237
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: a lot of things, and I'm I spent a lot

1238
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: of time in like the Bahamas, in different places, and

1239
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:12,720
Speaker 1: there's so many nice boats and the like the worst

1240
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:14,919
Speaker 1: thing that can I imagine my mind as I'm trying

1241
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 1: to park my boat and I run into like somebody's

1242
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: yacht or something, and and all these scary rich guys

1243
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: that come out, and like all this stuffs evolved.

1244
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 3: That's your irrational fear. Yeah, serious, that the boat you

1245
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 3: haven't bought yet is going to crash.

1246
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: I'm more absolutely I'm worst case scenario. And I I

1247
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: almost actually a few years ago, probably in like a

1248
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: bachelor stage or like I don't know what I'm.

1249
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:40,919
Speaker 4: Doing in my life.

1250
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 1: I almost bought a boat, and like I was like

1251
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: seriously looking one I was like, I could live on

1252
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: a boat, like in Florida and just like live on

1253
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 1: a good sized boat and like have you know, bedroom

1254
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 1: or two and have family come visit. But I was like,

1255
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna probably drive it. I'm not going to

1256
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 1: drive this big boat around and I have to park

1257
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: it and h then you probably crash it. Then I'll

1258
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: probably crash and you know, and so I never did.

1259
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 1: I never did that. But maybe one day. You know,

1260
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: technology is advancing and it's going to be able to

1261
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,879
Speaker 1: drive for me. So you know, that's a hilarious fear.

1262
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 2: It's not sinking, it's not drowning richer than use big boat.

1263
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 3: That is what my my.

1264
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: Brain through what do you want to call it anxiety

1265
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: through years is looking for that crash, you know what

1266
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 1: I mean. And I've had to like retrain it, like

1267
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: I know, that's not a rational fear. You know, if

1268
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: I have a pain in my arm, my dying from

1269
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: shoulder cancer, arm cancer, so I have that dialed in

1270
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: my system. I have to override it by being like

1271
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: that's silly, that's that's.

1272
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 3: Just a thought. But that is my thought on boats.

1273
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 3: What's your relationship with your phone right now really good.

1274
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 1: It's much better. I you know, I did the flip

1275
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: phone back in the day. I did all that stuff.

1276
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 1: Now I've got something called screens in. You know, I'm

1277
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 1: always got I've always got the tech. I know it's

1278
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 1: called screens in. I'm only on Instagram maybe five minutes

1279
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: a day. I for a while I was doing it

1280
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: like thirty minute on a different app called Opal. But

1281
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: now I have this thing called screens in. It makes

1282
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 1: you wait thirty seconds and tells you to take a

1283
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: deep breath, and I'm usually like, okay, yeah, I'm just

1284
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: gonna go look at stuff that I don't care about.

1285
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 4: So usually I'll just zip out of it.

1286
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 1: And the only times I'm really on it doing that

1287
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 1: stuff are like if I'm posting my tour dates or something.

1288
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 1: But I can't. I can't do this stuff anymore. I

1289
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 1: can't do that. I did so much of it, and

1290
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 1: I can't blame anybody for doing it. I just like

1291
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 1: I just gotta. I am sobern out on phones. It

1292
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 1: makes me just it makes me really anxious. Like if

1293
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 1: I look at social media for more than ten minutes,

1294
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: I get tight in my chest. I get really anxious.

1295
00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 1: I get to feeling like I'm supposed to be doing

1296
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 1: something different than when I'm doing right now, I get

1297
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 1: to feel like, oh, I'm I'm not doing enough on there,

1298
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 1: So I've really like, Yeah, my relationship with my phone's better.

1299
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: Sometimes it annoys people because I don't say a whole

1300
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 1: lot on there, but like I'm going to my shows

1301
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: and that's where you're going to get to see me.

1302
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Speaker 1: But I just like the balance more of where I

1303
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 1: am in my life with with with everything I think

1304
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 1: I'm I'm learning it more. It's just a day by

1305
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 1: day process.

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00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 2: As you know, you used to have I don't know

1307
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 2: if you've ever shared this, and I don't think you care,

1308
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 2: but used to have this app that you had to

1309
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 2: like have a password or oh yeah and ED cut

1310
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 2: you off and like your manager was the only one

1311
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 2: that had the password.

1312
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 3: Yeah what was that app? Well, part of that was

1313
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 3: just us.

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00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 1: The screen the screen time on your iPhone, but I

1315
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: would have somebody else set the password, so there's absolutely

1316
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 1: no way that I could get on apps once that

1317
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 1: time went up. So like if somebody's like, well, we

1318
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 1: need you to post about your new album coming, I'll

1319
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: be like, sorry, I ran out of my twenty minutes.

1320
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:03,959
Speaker 1: I have a lot of today, and they'd be like, well,

1321
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 1: how are we going to tell people your new album's coming.

1322
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 1: I was like, we'll have to wait till tomorrow. But

1323
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 1: I think having those boundaries has helped me because you know,

1324
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: I was at one point the snapchat king and like

1325
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:17,919
Speaker 1: that's where the like I had heard all these weird names,

1326
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 1: like I was known to be a social media guy,

1327
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: and it just exhausted me. And I just I, uh,

1328
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: I think it's a great tool in some ways, but

1329
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 1: for me, it's it's uh, it's tough. So I got

1330
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 1: I gotta put boundaries and I gotta I got to

1331
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 1: find a balance, and I'm always trying to learn what

1332
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 1: that is.

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Speaker 5: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor, Wow,

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Speaker 5: and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

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Speaker 2: As far as texting goes, it might be a five

1336
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 2: minute return, or you might not text me back for

1337
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 2: thirty six hours.

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01:00:54,800 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you too though I saw that, but game knows. Yeah.

1339
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 2: I think it's different though, because I know you're not

1340
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 2: just a you're not a big phone guy.

1341
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 3: You're just not You're not a texture.

1342
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 2: If we're gonna have plans, it's either you hit me

1343
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 2: in the morning, but like you nobody pick up ball

1344
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 2: in thirty minutes, and I totally respect it.

1345
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 3: And I'm like, yep, I'm in or not in town.

1346
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 2: But I know if I'm going to ask you if

1347
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 2: you want to do something, I need to give you

1348
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 2: about a day and a half because you might not

1349
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 2: even see it.

1350
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm either don't see it or I saw it

1351
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: while I'm doing something and I'm I'm an add and

1352
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 1: I'll be like, okay, I'm gonna respond to that, and

1353
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 1: then I don't get back to my phone, or I

1354
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 1: have major decision anxiety of just making a plan and

1355
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 1: like I don't want to let somebody down of what

1356
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 1: time I do it, and and so like I'll freeze

1357
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 1: and then I don't know what to say, and I

1358
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 1: don't want to let the other person down. That's sometimes

1359
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 1: why I know a lot of times it's because I'm

1360
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: not around it, or i'm or I'm just like dazed

1361
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 1: and out in a different planet or something. But sometimes

1362
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 1: it's a lot of times, like I get I want

1363
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 1: to say the exact right thing and a response in

1364
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 1: a text, even though like to you, I've known you forever,

1365
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 1: so like I'm not worried about what you think about.

1366
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 3: What I said, really, but it's still like hard.

1367
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 1: I get definitely like anxiety of like feeling like I

1368
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 1: should respond to somebody right away, and then you get

1369
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 1: then they get stacked up of like it's not like

1370
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 1: I get a thousand texts today, but like even if

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01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 1: I got five, I might struggle to get to someone

1372
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 1: because I don't know exactly how to say exactly what

1373
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 1: I what's what's there? Even if it was just like, okay,

1374
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 1: what about red dots on your phone? Do you allow them?

1375
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 2: Wellady, red text? Yeah, they just to me those just

1376
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 2: red dots are r D dots. Yeah, read r R

1377
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 2: E D or r E A D that's ready.

1378
01:02:54,000 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 3: R E D T. That are you? Is not red?

1379
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 3: It is it is. It's both. Oh my god, you're good.

1380
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 1: It is red and I'm not high, but it made

1381
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 1: me feel high.

1382
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 2: I was just asking like, do you let do you

1383
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 2: leave un like the color red, because that shows you

1384
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 2: the red is the dopamine color that they put on

1385
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 2: your phone.

1386
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 3: Do you leave? Do you have them on your phone

1387
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 3: or do you have to keep them all clear? Oh?

1388
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 4: No, that I have so many on red. Yeah, that's

1389
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 4: crazy I.

1390
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 3: Have I can.

1391
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know my phone's over there, but

1392
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:33,440
Speaker 1: I think I have thirty some thousand unready emails.

1393
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 4: Does that make you want to Yeah?

1394
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, because if I pull out my phone, the only

1395
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 2: messages that are unread that I have are the ones

1396
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 2: that have come during this interview. Right now, I have

1397
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 2: three unready emails, no way, and five unread texts. And

1398
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 2: that is just what I've gotten since we've been sitting here. Yeah,

1399
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 2: it's a different kind of focus, like it's overly. It's

1400
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 2: overly where I must eliminate. Like that can make you

1401
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 2: have anxiety too, crazy anxiety.

1402
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 1: I have anxiety also because I have so many unread

1403
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 1: and it's just it's just like stuff piling up in

1404
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 1: the corner of the room or whatever.

1405
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 3: It's the same kind of thing.

1406
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 1: It's like having thirty some thousand emails somebody, And a

1407
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 1: lot of times I get emails I don't even know

1408
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 1: I got them.

1409
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 4: Because they're just yeah.

1410
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 1: And or text sometimes too because it's like I don't

1411
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 1: even know what is what.

1412
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 4: But yeah, I like I'm a hoarder for text.

1413
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 3: I guess one of my texas from you going just

1414
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:29,440
Speaker 3: got here?

1415
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, yeah, I don't keep it.

1416
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 3: I don't.

1417
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 1: And that's me basically saying in case you're not ready

1418
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 1: for me to say no, I.

1419
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 2: Text you before that. It's like, hey, we're back. You

1420
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 2: know your way around the yard, so I wasn't worried

1421
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 2: about you getting back here. Usually Mike has to go

1422
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 2: up and meet people at the front because I'll try

1423
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 2: to go in the house.

1424
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 3: Ah, and that's awkward. Yeah, like they'll show up and

1425
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 3: them too, Yeah, my wife's like hello, she doesn't know yeah,

1426
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:52,919
Speaker 3: and so Mike has to beat them to the front door.

1427
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 3: So oh yeah.

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01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 2: We talked about the tour before you came in as

1429
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 2: far as where people can get tickets, but you guys

1430
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 2: should go see it's a great show and just find

1431
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 2: the show that's closest to you.

1432
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, do that. Yeah.

1433
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 1: And I like it's crazy because we started to have

1434
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 1: a lot of people fly from different countries even now

1435
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 1: because obviously there's only so many shows you can have

1436
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 1: in different states. But it's an amazing like these are

1437
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 1: amazing Christmas cities where you can fly to Boston, Chicago,

1438
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 1: New York, Nashville, Saint Louis, you know, Detroit, Like you

1439
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 1: could fly to these cities that feel christmasy. There's so

1440
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 1: many different activities you can have around for a weekend

1441
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 1: with these shows.

1442
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 4: It's just like the it's the perfect.

1443
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 1: Date night, whether if you want to, you know, have

1444
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 1: a big date night, Matt like, I had so many

1445
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 1: friends of mine thank me because it's a perfect date

1446
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 1: night when they go out of the date night, or

1447
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 1: you bring your whole family, bring the kids. It's it's

1448
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 1: just kind of the perfect scenario for family and for

1449
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 1: for connection and for just a place to have something

1450
01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 1: fun around the holidays.

1451
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 3: Right, final two questions, Where's the coolest place you've ever been?

1452
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 1: Coolest place? Switzerland's probably my favorite. I love Switzerland. I

1453
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 1: think I could live there for uh, I don't know

1454
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 1: about a year, but I could live there multiple months

1455
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 1: and I have thinking about doing that at some point.

1456
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 1: So I love Switzerland. H I love Costa Rica as

1457
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 1: you know, I love I love hikes and being in nature, rainforests. Yeah,

1458
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 1: those are two of my kind of my favorite places

1459
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 1: for sure. Totally different.

1460
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 3: Ye.

1461
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 1: I mean they're both nature like very like like cold

1462
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 1: and hot. Yeah yeah, yeah, but Switzerland's like it just

1463
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:41,560
Speaker 1: feels so untouched and Costa Rica dos too. In some ways,

1464
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 1: like when you're in the rainforest, you feel like like not.

1465
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 4: The main thing going on there.

1466
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's so much this nature surrounding you

1467
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 1: and and and you're just a part of it.

1468
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:51,840
Speaker 4: It's really cool.

1469
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:57,800
Speaker 1: Switzerland feels like so perfect in the craziest way when

1470
01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 1: you go there. It's it's so serene, it is so

1471
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 1: peaceful and so clean.

1472
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 2: We tried to go, Caitlyn got sick at the airport.

1473
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 2: That's right, our bags went. I remember that they came

1474
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 2: back with snow on them. Yea, they got dropped off

1475
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 2: of the house with snow on them.

1476
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1477
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, that that's that's where we haven't been that we'd

1478
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:19,120
Speaker 3: really love to go. But yeah, it's cold.

1479
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, that's tough.

1480
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:22,920
Speaker 3: I'm not a cold guy. Let's go there. I'm not

1481
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 3: a cold guy.

1482
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 2: I'm also not a beach guy. Really yeah, I hate

1483
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 2: I don't like to beach all skip board?

1484
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 3: What am I going to do? So you get like

1485
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 3: you can to sit there and like lay in there

1486
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:33,560
Speaker 3: if there's like a water sport, but the ocean doesn't

1487
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 3: really have water sports because the waves, So.

1488
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 4: You can't sit by a pool and read a book

1489
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 4: or anything, or can you.

1490
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 3: I mean I can, but if I'm going to read

1491
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 3: a book, why not do it in the air conditioner? Yeah,

1492
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:43,919
Speaker 3: I mean that's not bad.

1493
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 1: What about kind of like what about more of a

1494
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 1: like a seventy five Sonny and seventy five.

1495
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:52,440
Speaker 2: Find of have a reason to be out there. I

1496
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 2: don't have a reason to just be outside for the

1497
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 2: sake of being outside.

1498
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:55,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1499
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 2: That's spent a lot of my early life outside. I'm

1500
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 2: good and I never went to the beach. I also, like,

1501
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:03,480
Speaker 2: I don't drink, so some of my friends they want

1502
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 2: to go to the beach and it's on the beach,

1503
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 2: and you know, drink beach drinks or get wasted or

1504
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 2: as we get older, it's not so much get wasted.

1505
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 2: But I don't really have anita. If I'm gonna be

1506
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 2: hot and sweaty, I'll just play a sport.

1507
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

1508
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 1: What what does Caitlyn say about that? Like, because she

1509
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:20,559
Speaker 1: likes the beach. Yah, and she likes hikes and stuff too.

1510
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:25,759
Speaker 3: You No, she's extremely normal, Like she's normal and mentally healthy.

1511
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 3: You know, she she's on it. But it works for

1512
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 3: that reason. You know.

1513
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 4: It's like she can have her thing, you can have yours.

1514
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, except I don't really have a thing. Yeah, like

1515
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 2: what's my thing? I'll ask you what sports? Yeah, but

1516
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:40,800
Speaker 2: I got all of them. Sure, But I mean, like

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Speaker 2: vacation even like I don't have a place that.

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Speaker 3: I like to go like you do. I don't like

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01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 3: what do I want to do? Mostly I just want

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01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,599
Speaker 3: to sleep in my own bed and get sleepy.

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01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 1: Prefer routine and being home nowadays, more like you know,

1522
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 1: you've always traveled all over the place, and you're always traveling,

1523
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 1: You're but like do you have you as you've grown up,

1524
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 1: more have do you feeling like routine and like just

1525
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:09,360
Speaker 1: being in the same place is way better for you.

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01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:11,840
Speaker 4: Like even if you're able to go and do.

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01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 2: Something really cool, it's a bit grass is greener. Yeah,

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01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 2: whatever I'm doing the other is better.

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01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:16,479
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:18,599
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:21,680
Speaker 2: So when I'm here and I'm doing a lot of

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01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 2: time at home now because I have multiple podcasts and

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01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:26,839
Speaker 2: I can't just can't leave. Yeah, and I'm not torning

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01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:28,680
Speaker 2: at all, and I'm like, man, I could really be

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01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:29,840
Speaker 2: out on the road having a great time. But then

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01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 2: once I get on the road, I'm like, I don't

1537
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 2: like at home. Yeah, I'd rather be home and sleep

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01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 2: in my own bed, so I think if I could

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01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 2: just do it in spurts.

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01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:37,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, but.

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01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's a happiness chase that I don't

1542
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:43,519
Speaker 2: think ever. Actually, you don't actually catch the rabbit ever,

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01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:46,000
Speaker 2: and I think part of happiness is knowing you're never

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01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 2: going to catch the rabbit, so a little bit enjoy

1545
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 2: the fact that you're getting to chase the rabbit instead

1546
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 2: of catching the rabbit. I think that's what I try

1547
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 2: to focus on more Now. I'll never be happy not

1548
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 2: catching the rabbit, but I can be a little more

1549
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 2: happy in the chase of the rabbit. No, the pure

1550
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:02,759
Speaker 2: happiness isn't the actual catching of the rabbit.

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01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 3: So that's a weird answer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, rabbit talk.

1552
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 3: Last question, it's not you know, it's a figure tive rabbit.

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01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.

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01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 2: Which of your hits almost didn't happen? I'm trying to

1555
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 2: think which one almost didn't happen. I think.

1556
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:31,760
Speaker 1: I think love Someone almost didn't happen and it almost became.

1557
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 4: A song called cycles. I think that was what it was.

1558
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:39,719
Speaker 3: How does that happen? Like what happened?

1559
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 4: Well, actually, I know be the music.

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01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:45,360
Speaker 1: I had cut bet to the music with another friend

1561
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 1: of mine before and uh, and they were just like,

1562
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm not feeling it. It's not quite

1563
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 1: working right, which is fine, and nothing against that person,

1564
01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 1: just wasn't you know, the right person for that song

1565
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 1: or whatever, and so at that point it felt like

1566
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:03,599
Speaker 1: that song was kind of dead.

1567
01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 3: In the water.

1568
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:09,639
Speaker 1: And I was like, man, the original demo is pretty great.

1569
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 1: Why don't we just build off the energy of that?

1570
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 1: And I went to Ross and Ross and I Ross coverman,

1571
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:20,639
Speaker 1: sorry who.

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01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 2: We wrote a lot of we have micrones in front

1573
01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 2: of us now, it's not yeah, yeah, I know.

1574
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 3: We both know. Ross. I'm like, oh, yeah, that's right.

1575
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 1: Ross Copproman who I've I've written a bunch of my

1576
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:32,800
Speaker 1: songs with and end he produced a lot of my music,

1577
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:36,640
Speaker 1: and he was like, why don't we just make a

1578
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:38,840
Speaker 1: bunch of this stuff? And actually that's what happened was

1579
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden he started producing because don't

1580
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 1: you it was actually uh produced by I wrote with

1581
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:47,800
Speaker 1: Ashley Gorley and Chris the Stefano. Chris produced that and

1582
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:51,559
Speaker 1: then Ross I went and cut me to the music

1583
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 1: with somebody else and mean to me and be the

1584
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:57,040
Speaker 1: music didn't quite work and they weren't feeling it. So

1585
01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:58,720
Speaker 1: I took it to Ross was like, let's just cut it,

1586
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:00,160
Speaker 1: you and I And then all of a sudden and

1587
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 1: that connection of him just creating the music became a thing.

1588
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 1: And I remember I was playing a show and I

1589
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 1: think it was Oregon or something. I remember pacing around

1590
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 1: the parking lot was Scott Hendricks was my an R

1591
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:17,519
Speaker 1: guy at Warner. He's like, man, we could go with

1592
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:20,240
Speaker 1: a lot of these different songs. I really think Be

1593
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:23,479
Speaker 1: the Music is definitely the next single. And I remember

1594
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:27,599
Speaker 1: thinking we went from nobody sure this was the right

1595
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:29,800
Speaker 1: thing at all, to you know, if you stick with

1596
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:34,800
Speaker 1: the song and you believe in it, it can make

1597
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 1: a huge turn all of a sudden, like we're talking

1598
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:39,599
Speaker 1: about this being the single, and then it became the

1599
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:41,800
Speaker 1: most played song on Contra radio that year, and so

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01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 1: it's like, you's gotta stick with it sometimes. And also

1601
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 1: when we were recording Bet the music, we go the

1602
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:50,479
Speaker 1: first verse chorus and we go to a bridge before

1603
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:52,639
Speaker 1: the even second verse, which nobody really ever does that.

1604
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:56,839
Speaker 1: And I there was an engineer or there was somebody

1605
01:12:56,960 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 1: in the studio, some part of the recording crew that

1606
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:04,520
Speaker 1: thought it was crazy that we were putting a bridge

1607
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:06,639
Speaker 1: wasn't one of the producers, but somebody else in there.

1608
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 1: I thought it was crazy that we were putting a

1609
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 1: bridge before the second verse, where I was like, no,

1610
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:13,320
Speaker 1: it's got We were like, no, it just feels right,

1611
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:16,640
Speaker 1: we're putting putting a bridge in this spot, and uh

1612
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:18,599
Speaker 1: kind of fought it for a while and we kept

1613
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 1: it in after the first chorus in it and it worked.

1614
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:25,439
Speaker 1: And it's very unconventional, but it was so that song

1615
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:27,600
Speaker 1: really had a kind of a crazy journey. How's the

1616
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 1: bridge go?

1617
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:29,680
Speaker 3: Oh?

1618
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:31,559
Speaker 4: Why I wouldn't I want to stay?

1619
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 3: Oh and let that plane fly away? Hey? Hey, because

1620
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 3: you got the soul and you know how to use it.

1621
01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:42,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's a bridge. And then it goes back

1622
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:46,280
Speaker 1: to another verse after that chorus. And that's just I've

1623
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:49,679
Speaker 1: never noticed that. Yeah, it's a bridge, an early bridge

1624
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:52,360
Speaker 1: in that song. Yeah, it's weird, and I.

1625
01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 3: Don't think it's that way.

1626
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 2: Again, I'm a consumer, however, I do know music like

1627
01:13:57,560 --> 01:13:58,240
Speaker 2: that doesn't.

1628
01:13:59,320 --> 01:13:59,479
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1629
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:01,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, and my ear says a lot of things. If

1630
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:03,280
Speaker 2: a song starts with a chorus, I'm like, oh, that's interesting.

1631
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 2: They started with a chorus, or they did two verses

1632
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:07,840
Speaker 2: before a chorus, which is very traditional like the nineties. Yeah, yeah,

1633
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:10,439
Speaker 2: but I've never heard that song and thought that bridge

1634
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:12,200
Speaker 2: is way too early because usually, like you said, it

1635
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:16,320
Speaker 2: goes verse chorus, verse courus bridge, yep, chorus, sometimes double

1636
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:19,840
Speaker 2: chorus yep. I feel like I learned something today. Yeah, okay,

1637
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:22,599
Speaker 2: we're done. How do you feel? I feel really good. Yeah,

1638
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:26,680
Speaker 2: feel really good. We haven't started recording yet now, and

1639
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:28,839
Speaker 2: now we're starting. That was us dancing before the stage

1640
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 2: like in your band. Now we're going to hit record.

1641
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:33,040
Speaker 2: All right, you guys go check out Brett. Shows are

1642
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 2: really awesome. And the thing about Brett is he was

1643
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 2: going to do no promotion for this. I know you,

1644
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:40,680
Speaker 2: and I was like, dude, your tickets are going on

1645
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:42,640
Speaker 2: self Friday, and I put me because I do love you.

1646
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:45,639
Speaker 2: I put myself in your shoes, and I'm like, if

1647
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 2: it were me, i'd be so anxious about tickets going

1648
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 2: on seal, even with a highly successful tour many years.

1649
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:54,840
Speaker 3: And so I just text you. I was like, dude,

1650
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 3: come do promo and yeah, hop over to the house

1651
01:14:57,960 --> 01:14:58,439
Speaker 3: and we'll do this.

1652
01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:00,040
Speaker 2: So that's the kind of friend you are on it

1653
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 2: prevent awesome. I appreciate you coming over and you guys

1654
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:04,519
Speaker 2: go to the show. We'll put the information down in

1655
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 2: the bottom and that is Brett Eldridge and we'll see

1656
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 2: you again in like seven years over here.

1657
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:10,680
Speaker 3: That's about that's about the that's about it all right.

1658
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:14,599
Speaker 3: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production