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Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 2: What is up straight Fire, Faym. It's me Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 2: Straight Fire for Thursday, October the ninth. Oh, we've got

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Speaker 2: a great podcast today. Oh my goodness. You're gonna love

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Speaker 2: our guest first timer on the pod, former college football

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Speaker 2: quarterback at Michigan, Devin Gardner. Yes, he holds the record

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Speaker 2: for the most yards from scrimmage in a single game.

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Speaker 2: Gardner had a really nice career at Michigan, and he

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Speaker 2: didn't love Sharon Moore's comments about the Michigan USC game.

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Speaker 2: We'll get into that breakdown. It's a good college football Saturday.

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Speaker 2: He's I didn't know this. He's good friends with Dante

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Speaker 2: Moore at the Oregon quarterback. He's known him since he

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Speaker 2: was nine. Jets fans, you gotta want to listen to

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Speaker 2: any and all Dante Moore chatter for the next I

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Speaker 2: don't know, two months, in case Dante more ends up

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Speaker 2: coming out and is the number one pick. Good stuff,

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Speaker 2: you guys will really enjoy at the chat. I think

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Speaker 2: we're probably gonna end up having Devin Gardner come back

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Speaker 2: because he's so good. But before we get to that, Yes,

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Speaker 2: the Yankees lost. It's a bummer for everyone. Sorry Toronto.

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Speaker 2: Sorry is just not It's just Toronto versus Detroit or

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Speaker 2: Seattle just doesn't have the juice that having the Yankees

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Speaker 2: in the ALCS would. I mean, it's the reality. We

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Speaker 2: can are you guys can argue to you in the place. Hey, Toronto,

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Speaker 2: great story, great hitting, Okay, wonderful, But the casual fan

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Speaker 2: is not as likely to turn into let me check

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Speaker 2: out the blue Jays tonight in the ALCS as opposed

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Speaker 2: to those damn Yankees, because you love him or hate him, right,

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Speaker 2: you're not indifferent on the Yanks. You don't have a

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Speaker 2: feeling about the Blue Jays. I'm sure they're good. They

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Speaker 2: were good last night, and Yankees did not come through.

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Speaker 2: They're out. Let me quickly, just briefly, do a Thursday

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Speaker 2: night football best bet, because I cannot do any worse

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Speaker 2: than last week, probably my worst college football Thursday in

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Speaker 2: several years that rams loss. As heavy favorites against the

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Speaker 2: beat up forty nine ers, I think the only way

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Speaker 2: to play Eagles at Giants low total of forty and

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Speaker 2: a big spread of seven usually means take the dog.

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Speaker 2: Possessions will be at a premium. This could easily be

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Speaker 2: twenty to thirteen with two minutes left and Jackson Dart's

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Speaker 2: And that's why you take the dog in these matchups.

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Speaker 2: For me, it's Eagles are pass. I'm not doing it

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Speaker 2: in the contest. I don't have any actual shedder on

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Speaker 2: this game yet, but for me, I expect a Eagles

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Speaker 2: bounce back off a rotten fourth quarter against the Broncos.

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Speaker 2: And listen, Denver, Broncos have an elite defense. The New

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Speaker 2: York Giants do not. I don't want to. I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: stop talking about their front seven in the pass for

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Speaker 2: US guys. They had zero sacks of Spencer Ratler last week,

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Speaker 2: and you think all of a sudden, on a short week,

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Speaker 2: they're gonna just turn up and go go crazy and

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Speaker 2: get after Jayalen Hurts. I mean, maybe they have an

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Speaker 2: you're looking for a spot for Saquon Barkley to go nuts,

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Speaker 2: this would be it divisional matchup, revenge game. He ate

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Speaker 2: up the Giants last year, and Barkley, by the way,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't have a carry longer than sixteen yards this season.

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Speaker 2: Like he's having a rough start landon Dickerson's out, which

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Speaker 2: is not great. I expect aj Brown to get whatever

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Speaker 2: I just for me. You know, the Jayleen Carter thing

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Speaker 2: is concerning. He has a heel issue. Listen is questionable

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Speaker 2: as we record this here very very early on Thursday morning.

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Speaker 2: Even with him out, Nakobe Dean's expected to return for

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Speaker 2: the first time this season, good talented linebacker. I am

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Speaker 2: of the belief that the Eagles get it done fairly

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Speaker 2: easily tonight. I think Jackson darts in way over his

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Speaker 2: head and without further ado, let's get to our guest,

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Speaker 2: former Michigan quarterback Devin Gardner.

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Speaker 4: Let's just say I know a guy who knows the

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Speaker 2: All right, let's welcome into straight Fire. A college football

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Speaker 2: legend in ann Arbor. Everybody knows him. Devin Gardner, former quarterback,

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Speaker 2: now calling college football games this weekend. He's got a

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Speaker 2: decent one this weekend. Oh what is a pretty good

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Speaker 2: college football slate? And how you doing?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing well. I'm just happy I'm finally invited.

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Speaker 4: I've been waiting on them here and now we're on Straight Fire,

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Speaker 4: and it's gonna be straight fired for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, based on what you were saying

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Speaker 2: a really it's weird college football, Devin. It's like there's

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Speaker 2: a good week and then kind of a sleepy week,

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Speaker 2: and then a good week, you know, and this feels

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Speaker 4: Of course, it's very exciting too, just because you know,

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Speaker 4: Fox has leaned all into the Big Teen and it

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Speaker 4: just continues to have all these great games, these teams,

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Speaker 3: Can pay players. Yeah, this is just not what it

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Speaker 4: However, however, I would imagine that for the thirst straight

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, Spicy, Okay, do you and I assume are

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Speaker 2: you with everybody else Ohio State's the best team you've

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Speaker 4: I'm so tired of this because I have to tell

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Speaker 4: I think the Big Ten is really screwed up, right,

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Speaker 4: the defense just dominates everyone. And so you hope if

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so the young aspect is interesting because in theory,

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Speaker 2: You can't really stack the box, and no cornerback can

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Speaker 4: Well, so I'm just telling you the only chance they're

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Speaker 4: a way to create plays offensively against that nasty defense man.

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Speaker 4: it will force the Ohio State office to prove, hey,

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Speaker 2: great Michigan team. But interestingly, Devin, everybody's picking Michigan here,

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Speaker 4: don't give him extra stuff, right, you're flying for country,

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Speaker 4: They're upset as well, right, they think that they're a

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Speaker 4: I don't think that's smart at all. However, this is

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Speaker 4: gonna be a huge test for Michigan. This is gonna

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Speaker 4: be the best offensive test since Ou. And we saw

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Speaker 4: Just watching him play, it's been really fun because it's

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Speaker 4: the for the Michigan Rings, they haven't really been tested

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Speaker 4: They grown up and have you taken the necessary steps.

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Speaker 2: Tell me about Mendoza. I gotta be honest, I haven't

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Speaker 4: an offense on the other side that he has to see.

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00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,800
Speaker 4: I don't think people appreciate enough how much the other

436
00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:18,640
Speaker 4: offense really affects how you play offense right, just because

437
00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,760
Speaker 4: that other offense isn't If that other offense isn't talented,

438
00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:23,720
Speaker 4: you can do things that you usually wouldn't do right.

439
00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:24,600
Speaker 3: You can take chances.

440
00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,239
Speaker 4: But when you have an explosive offense on the other

441
00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,919
Speaker 4: side and a quarterback, specifically in Dante Moore, you cannot

442
00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:32,720
Speaker 4: make a bunch of mistakes. But you also have to

443
00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,119
Speaker 4: risk some things to make some big plays, and so

444
00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:37,640
Speaker 4: that puts a different set of pressures on you, and

445
00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,320
Speaker 4: I really wonder how Mendoza will respond.

446
00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see. I need to see more if that's okay.

447
00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:44,840
Speaker 2: I know he was good at CAL. I got a

448
00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,000
Speaker 2: buddy who graduated from Cal was hyping him last year.

449
00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:48,919
Speaker 3: Well I didn't. I didn't love him. I thought I

450
00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:50,800
Speaker 3: thought find a Cale, I thought you. I didn't think numbers.

451
00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:52,920
Speaker 2: I mean, everybody could put up numbers except for Arch Manning.

452
00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,080
Speaker 2: We'll get to Arch in the moment. I'm not bashing

453
00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,080
Speaker 2: him real quick an So basically I'm between as a

454
00:19:58,119 --> 00:19:59,920
Speaker 2: Jets fan. I love I love what I tad from Dante.

455
00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,760
Speaker 2: But I'm just telling you that Tys Simpson at Alabama

456
00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,879
Speaker 2: now he's the opposite and in the spectrum. He was

457
00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,840
Speaker 2: a big time recruit, but just stayed at Alabama. This

458
00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,120
Speaker 2: is I believe his fourth year. He's twenty two, gonna

459
00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:13,760
Speaker 2: be twenty three soon. Yeah, And that's also rare.

460
00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:14,080
Speaker 4: Right.

461
00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:15,960
Speaker 2: You don't see a lot of guys who are like, hey,

462
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:17,480
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna be okay, be in the back up,

463
00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:19,879
Speaker 2: the backup. And then all of a sudden, he looked

464
00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,560
Speaker 2: so good against Georgia on the road. I was impressed.

465
00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:25,199
Speaker 2: I don't know how much you've seen of him, but

466
00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,840
Speaker 2: they do have a tall order at Missouri this weekend.

467
00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:30,320
Speaker 2: Where are you on Simpson?

468
00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,040
Speaker 4: He was an illegal eleven guy and he was impressive

469
00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,840
Speaker 4: then and he remains impressive. It's really cool to see

470
00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,680
Speaker 4: a guy who you know, You go in, you compete hard,

471
00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:41,720
Speaker 4: you don't win the job, right, and you compete hard again,

472
00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,000
Speaker 4: you don't win the job, you know what I mean?

473
00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,399
Speaker 4: Like that's a demoralizing experience for a guy who's a

474
00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:50,040
Speaker 4: highly recruited guy who everybody wanted. You chose this school,

475
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,000
Speaker 4: and you don't know. You're not there, you don't know

476
00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,160
Speaker 4: what happened and why he didn't win the job. However,

477
00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,720
Speaker 4: it sounds like to me he has a resolve. And

478
00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:58,720
Speaker 4: that's what I experienced when I was coaching at the

479
00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,240
Speaker 4: eleven and it's deal now, Like it's really cool to

480
00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,080
Speaker 4: see a kid stick it out because I always think,

481
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,760
Speaker 4: even though I was I was before the transfer porter era,

482
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,280
Speaker 4: I always thought I would be that guy that stuck

483
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:11,680
Speaker 4: it out because I'm just too stubborn.

484
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 3: No, I am good enough.

485
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,879
Speaker 4: I'm gonna play right, and that's why I ended up

486
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:17,880
Speaker 4: playing receiver because I was like, hey, I can't watch

487
00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:18,360
Speaker 4: it anymore.

488
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 3: I need I need to catch pastest. Then if that's

489
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,359
Speaker 3: what it takes for me to get on the field.

490
00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,040
Speaker 4: And so he's that kind of kid, that throwback guy

491
00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 4: that's gonna fight through adversity, that Tom Brady style. I'm

492
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,280
Speaker 4: fourth on the depth chart, but however, this is gonna

493
00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 4: make me a better man and a better football player.

494
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:34,040
Speaker 4: And he's putting it all on display.

495
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:34,240
Speaker 3: Man.

496
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,000
Speaker 4: I've been really impressed, and I don't think you can

497
00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 4: go wrong with him or Dante Moore if they work.

498
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,359
Speaker 4: Were both to come out me personally, I would take

499
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,119
Speaker 4: Dante more just because I know what that brain is thinking.

500
00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,399
Speaker 4: I know what he's doing, and I understand that I

501
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,560
Speaker 4: can trust him. Now Tysithon looks like he can be trusted. However,

502
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 4: I don't know him enough personally, just the week at

503
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:53,720
Speaker 4: the end of eleven. I don't think it's enough to

504
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 4: see how a kid's brain completely works.

505
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, so when it comes to the NFL, you know

506
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 2: you fall into that category. You're like six three and

507
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:06,679
Speaker 2: a half, a big guy, big strapping dude, closer to

508
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:10,400
Speaker 2: six simpce. It's closer to like a six two. I'm

509
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 2: sure at the combine him as you're like six one

510
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,640
Speaker 2: and a half. There is such a stigma against quarterbabacks

511
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:19,359
Speaker 2: who don't aren't in that you know, Mendoza, Tom Brady, Big,

512
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 2: justin Herbert. Everybody wants that guy, not everybody can have them.

513
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 2: Where do you fall because because More, I don't know,

514
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 2: he's listed at six to four. Usually they inflate that

515
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,879
Speaker 2: stuff by half an injur of an inch. I don't know.

516
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:31,879
Speaker 2: He's more. More is not as tall as you, but

517
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 2: he's he's kind of strapping.

518
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's like six two and a half, maybe pushing

519
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:41,239
Speaker 4: six three, but lower body, big, strong lower body. And

520
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 4: I think it's overblown, like this is being tall. I

521
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 4: think it's it's well overblown because I remember the one

522
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 4: thing about being tall that helps is the receivers can

523
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:52,200
Speaker 4: see the ball.

524
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 3: Come out right.

525
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,440
Speaker 4: And I learned that from playing quarter playing wide receiver

526
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 4: a little bit at Michigan where Dinard was a little

527
00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,880
Speaker 4: bit shorter and the offensive lineen are so tall, and

528
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 4: he would throw the football and it's just like it's

529
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 4: always surprised when it's from a smaller guy. However, as

530
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 4: far as playing the quarterback position. It's all about finding windows, right,

531
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 4: It's all about finding where your spaces are inside the pocket.

532
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 4: I'm six ft four six for three and a half

533
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,679
Speaker 4: whatever you want to call me. Well, our lineman are

534
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 4: six six six seven six'. Five, LIKE i can't see

535
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 4: over these, guys, Right i'm trying to look between, them

536
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 4: just like the smaller.

537
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 3: Guy AND i think it can be. Overblown, now if

538
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:27,879
Speaker 3: a guy grows.

539
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 4: Up and he's small and he's played well his entire,

540
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 4: career you have to trust that he's figured out how

541
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 4: AM i going to navigate at this? Size and sometimes

542
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 4: the taller guys, suck, Right so it's just Like i'm

543
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 4: time this guy because he's.

544
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:41,880
Speaker 3: Tall, YEAH i Got.

545
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 2: Cosweiler there's a million of. Them, Yeah oh he's.

546
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 4: Tall let's give him a chance when it's some smaller

547
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 4: guy that's really making plays and can't help you in

548
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 4: the run game as.

549
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 2: Well, LASTLY i, LISTEN i kind of rote him off

550
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 2: after the ohiostate. Game obviously we could bring it back next. Year,

551
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 2: right he can't go into THE. Nfl but the arch manning,

552
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 2: STUFF i almost don't think he's really worthy of. Discussion,

553
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 2: uh there is. Chatter if you, KNOW i got buddies

554
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 2: on The texas message boards where, like, yeah let let

555
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,439
Speaker 2: let's just sit him. Down he's not seeing the. Field

556
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 2: well what are you seeing on Arch? Banning you, know

557
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 2: somebody came on here and said he had a five

558
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 2: star last, name but he was a three star. Recruit,

559
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 2: well so that's kind of. Accurate, YEAH i.

560
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 4: Will, say but this is the. Thing it's it's completely, unfair,

561
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 4: RIGHT i, DON'T i.

562
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 3: Don't i'm not gonna.

563
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,199
Speaker 4: SAY i don't THINK i know for a fact he

564
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 4: didn't ask to be putting that upper eche, line, Right

565
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 4: he's just out there having. Fun and and it's IT'S

566
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 4: i don't know how self aware he, is but his

567
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 4: family's for sure, selfware, Right so they knew exactly what

568
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,199
Speaker 4: they were. Doing they were putting him in a position

569
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 4: to not have to play right, away right because they

570
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 4: knew his, talent his skill. Level they were putting him

571
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 4: in a position to be with A starkesian eight offensive

572
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 4: genius that developed.

573
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 3: Quarterbacks.

574
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 4: Well and SO i just feel like he's a. Kid

575
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 4: he WATCHES, tv he Has. INTERNET i think he started

576
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 4: to look at it a little bit too, right and see,

577
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 4: like Oh i'm really, like you, know as much as

578
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 4: he's famous and he has that last you, KNOW i

579
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,879
Speaker 4: feel like he was able to be sheltered away a little.

580
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 4: Bit and then when it's like clearly his, job he's

581
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 4: the guy everybody's talking about, HIM i don't think HE

582
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 4: i don't think he could hide from it any. Longer

583
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 4: and he started to feel himself as, Well like some

584
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 4: of his interviews is.

585
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 3: Like that's a little, different, right you're poking the, bear

586
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 3: like we talked, about like what are you doing? THERE

587
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 3: i don't.

588
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 4: Know and then you get that stinker At Ohio. STATE

589
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 4: i mean from the very first. THROW i don't think

590
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,880
Speaker 4: he'll remember. This the first throw The Ohio state, game

591
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 4: he had a. Touchdown he skipped it off the ground

592
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 4: with no, pressure And i'm just, LIKE, whoa that's, alarming,

593
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 4: Right and then obviously the game continued and it wasn't very.

594
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 4: Good BUT i don't think he asks for. It he

595
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 4: obviously has the last name that's going to allow him

596
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 4: grace and he's going to be able to. Improve he's,

597
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 4: big he's, strong he can do all these different. Things

598
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 4: and SO i think that you have to trust. This

599
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 4: sarky's is gonna figure it out by next, year if

600
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 4: not the end of this. Year but to this point the,

601
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 4: season he just hasn't played very. Well he doesn't see

602
00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 4: the field Will BUT i don't think the answer is

603
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,919
Speaker 4: sitting him, down because now you sit him, down how

604
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 4: do you get better than if you believe this is your?

605
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 3: Guy now if you don't believe it.

606
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 4: Is your, guy that's a whole different conversation. Entirely, HOWEVER

607
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 4: i think That sarkisian believes is his.

608
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 2: Guy he probably gets in his head if you do

609
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 2: that and it could go.

610
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 3: You lose him. Completely, yeah it's.

611
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 2: Over, yeah all. Right Devin, Gardner michigan. Legend he's on

612
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,959
Speaker 2: the call FOR Tcuk state On. Saturday, devin great. Stuff

613
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 2: thanks again for bringing the fire to straight.

614
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 3: Fire appreciate.

615
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 2: You