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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. It's Monday, December fifteenth, and yes,

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Speaker 2: we have a stacked night of headlines. Legendary filmmaker Rob

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Speaker 2: Reiner and his beautiful photographer wife Michelle. We're found dead

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Speaker 2: inside their La home and now their son is officially

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Speaker 2: in custody and he's being held without bail at all.

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Speaker 3: So more on that. Plus this is huge.

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Speaker 2: The Brian Walsh accused wife killer verdict is officially in

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Speaker 2: So this is a tease. You got to stick with

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Speaker 2: us to hear what that verdict is. Plus those new

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Speaker 2: Epstein photos that were dumped last Friday, we're going to

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Speaker 2: examine them and sort of see what they glean and

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Speaker 2: what they don't glean, because we have four more days

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Speaker 2: until full transparency and we get all of those files released.

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Speaker 2: Plus major new developments and the mass shootings both at

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Speaker 2: Brown University so incredibly tragic. I don't even know where

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Speaker 2: to begin with this, and of course at Bondi Beach

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Speaker 2: in Sydney, Australia. Our hearts are so with everyone involved,

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Speaker 2: their families, their friends. This is traumatic on every level

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Speaker 2: for so many. And I know it seems so superficial

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Speaker 2: to say our hearts are with you. I don't know

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Speaker 2: you all day. It's devastating information. We are so sorry

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Speaker 2: to have to update you with information that is so

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Speaker 2: incredibly close to home. But here we are, and we're

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Speaker 2: so glad to be together tonight. So no matter where

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Speaker 2: you had a decent one. I know the holidays are

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Speaker 3: Welcome.

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Speaker 2: Pill up a chair at our proverbial kitchen table. Because body,

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Speaker 2: by the way, I'm Stephanie and I'm here with the

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Speaker 2: courtney and body, body, where do you want to begin?

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Speaker 2: Brian Walsh in the courtroom? Yeah, Brian, let's go to

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Speaker 2: a talk pack. Let's go to a talkback first.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, hey, guys, I'm really creeped out by this Brian

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Speaker 4: Walsh guy, and I can't think of any reason that

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Speaker 4: you would chop up a body after death unless you

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Speaker 4: cause the death, Like that's just not normal.

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Speaker 5: And so as a juror, I don't know that I

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Speaker 5: could get past that. We don't have a cause of

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Speaker 5: death because he chopped up the body. And if you're

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Speaker 5: not trying to hide anything, why are you chopping it up?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, at least let everybody know where the multiple body

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Speaker 2: parts had been held. But again, getting a guilty conviction

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Speaker 2: when there's not a body is very difficult, as our

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Speaker 2: very own body move in has shared along the way.

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Speaker 2: That was a good little pun there, it was, but

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Speaker 2: you know, talk so true to our talkbacks.

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Speaker 7: She you know, she could have been on the jury

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Speaker 7: because they felt the same way. Brian Walsh has been

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Speaker 7: convicted of first degree murder in Massachusetts for killing his wife,

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Speaker 7: Anna Walsh, and now faces a mandatory life sentence without

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Speaker 7: the possibility of parole on a wal She was thirty

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Speaker 7: nine years old. She was a real estate executive and

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Speaker 2: She was reported missing in early January twenty twenty three

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Speaker 2: after her now convicted husband, Brian Walsh said he left.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, said.

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Speaker 7: She left her Massachusetts home for a work emergency in

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Speaker 7: Washington d C. Investigators later charged Brian Walsh with the murder,

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Speaker 7: alleging he killed, dismembered, and disposed of Anna Walsh's body.

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Speaker 7: So after deliberating for like four hours on Friday, right,

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Speaker 7: It's going to happen. Yeah, liberated for two more hours

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Speaker 2: It's like they kind of had their mind made up.

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Speaker 2: I think when they left Friday and just had basically

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Speaker 2: gone down. So Brian Walsh remained stoic as the guilty

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Speaker 3: But he kind of nodded a little bit.

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Speaker 7: stoic as the guilty verdict was read. Convicted killer Brian

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Speaker 7: Walsh sentencing has been scheduled for Wednesday, December seventeenth. They're

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Speaker 7: not messing around. I mean, this is like the speed. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: so he faces a mandatory life sentence in prison without

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Speaker 7: the possibility of parole. But people should know this in

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Speaker 7: the state of mass or like Commonwealth, I should say, Massachusetts,

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Speaker 7: first degree murder convictions are automatically appealed.

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Speaker 3: Did you know that. I did not know that.

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Speaker 2: No, because the one thing that was confusing to me,

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Speaker 2: like he obviously gave no defense. He the defense rested.

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Speaker 2: They brought no witnesses to the stand. Four hours, although

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Speaker 2: that does seem like many hours, right, not that many

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Speaker 2: pretty shut and dry. However, they never brought in Karen

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Speaker 2: Reid's no investigator props, right, But it really landed, And

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Speaker 2: I wondered why, Because if I'm the defense and I

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Speaker 2: has he represents terribly, as we've all considered, and you know,

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Speaker 2: there's nothing medically that they've proven or disproven. I would

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Speaker 2: have thought just to kind of be confusing. They would

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Speaker 3: Michael Proctor or Michael.

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Speaker 7: Or even like maybe an expert in this like sudden

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Speaker 7: death syndrome that they presented that you know, the defense

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Speaker 7: maybe an expert in that. And you know, I don't know,

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Speaker 7: but they didn't. They didn't present anything, but you know,

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Speaker 7: it's crazy. And so in the Commonwealth in Massachusetts, there's

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Speaker 7: this automatic appeal to the Supreme Judicial Court, and this.

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Speaker 3: Appeal is broader than most appeals.

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Speaker 7: Like normally you can only appeal and like on technical errors, right,

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Speaker 7: but in this the Commonwealth these the appeal is broader

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Speaker 7: and includes review, which lets the court look at fairness

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Speaker 7: Two appeals in this case, which is kind of insane

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Speaker 2: Wow, but that's going to sure happen. Oh yeah, sure

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Speaker 2: gonna happen. This guy has no shame in his game.

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Speaker 3: I agree.

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Speaker 7: So the Norfolk County District attorney Michael Morrissey, who were

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Speaker 7: all very familiar with from the Karen retrial. His office

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Speaker 7: prosecuted this case and he told reporters outside the courthouse

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Speaker 7: agree hold hardily with her comments. The District Attorney Morrissey

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Speaker 7: forensic evidence they collected, you know that he commended them

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Speaker 7: like an incredibly hard, you know, case to prosecute. They

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Speaker 7: left no stone unturned. District Attorney morris He said they

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Speaker 7: went to dumpsters, to landfills, to dumps as well to

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Speaker 7: transfer stations, department stores, lumber stores, cvs just to gather

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Speaker 7: all this evidence, which was critical in this case. Let's

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Speaker 7: not lose sight of the fact that Anna's three young

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Speaker 7: children will be with us a mother and now sadly

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Speaker 7: they're also going to be without their father. Right that

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Speaker 7: I added that part of them about the father, But yeah,

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Speaker 7: I mean Brian Walsh's going to be in prison Obviously

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Speaker 2: And you know, one other question I had was that

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Speaker 2: he was already looking at a significant amount of jail

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Speaker 3: Fraudulent art deal the ardulance. So this is obviously a

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Speaker 2: Right, So first degree murder, you're looking at a life

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Speaker 2: sentence more than likely, plus this art fraud, couple of

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Speaker 7: That, plus dismembering her, he plus correct in lying to police.

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Speaker 7: So he's going he's going to be in prison for

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Speaker 6: See the light of day or any of you surprised

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Speaker 3: I'm a little surprised.

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Speaker 7: I think I opined last night that it would be

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Speaker 7: second degree. I think Courtney was the only one that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought second degree for sure.

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Speaker 7: I thought second degree. I thought without a body. I mean, listen,

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Speaker 7: I think the jury. I think everybody was pretty convinced

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Speaker 7: hard to you know, Cohen's collapse. You know, it's hard

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Speaker 3: That's very hard to reconcile, right, I.

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Speaker 8: Think common sense prevailed, Yeah, and common sense everything that

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Speaker 8: Walsh has indeed been found guilty of first screen murder

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Speaker 8: in his wife, Anna Walsh's death. We'd love your opinion

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Speaker 8: you know, you guys were saying the you know, potentially,

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Speaker 8: why didn't they bring in they being the defense proctor

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Speaker 8: But the defense has already laid that out and since

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Speaker 8: big open question. Even we were talking about it last night.

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Speaker 7: I don't know, right right, there's some scuttle but here

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Speaker 7: we go with the scuttle butt again that the appeal

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Speaker 7: is going to focus on the Brian Walsh's telephone or

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Speaker 7: I say telephone like I'm in the nineteen forties cell phone,

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Speaker 7: the cell phone and the searches that they did, you know,

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Speaker 7: and whatnot. There's some scuttle butt that there could be

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Speaker 7: issues that they the search weren't was too broad for that.

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Speaker 3: We'll see. I don't know.

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Speaker 7: I mean, obviously I have no idea, but it is

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Speaker 7: something I would like to talk to Jared Farantino about.

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Speaker 7: Of course, he's our favorite prosecutor and he knows the

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Speaker 7: law pretty well, especially in Commonwealth states rights. He's out

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Speaker 7: possibility of the appeal being focused around Brian Walsh's telephone, and.

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Speaker 2: Like that search history for example, all of the googling

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Speaker 2: I killed my wife. Let me ask a thousand dumb questions?

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Speaker 2: Do you if you delete that? If he deleted those,

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Speaker 2: You know, things like that paraphrasing one was worse than

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Speaker 2: the next, though, right, he deletes those from his history?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it still exists. It's definitely still exists. And remember

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Speaker 7: And I say that, so really no, And I've always

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Speaker 7: exactly exactly. For whatever reason, Brian Walsh has gotten to

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, he's gonna he's gonna sell you some

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Speaker 2: But my assumption was that they had blurred her face

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Speaker 2: Heavy day, right, we're on the heels of a heavy weekend,

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Speaker 3: I missed you both.

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Speaker 2: of course, a few good men. I mean, these are

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so sad. Really, we were shocked last night when

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Speaker 8: I mean, Stephanie, you just mentioned, you know some some

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Speaker 3: Than a generation.

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Speaker 8: Literally that night before the news broke, Taha had made

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Speaker 2: No, we all of us have been shaped by his work.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know, well, the this is real vicious,

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Speaker 8: Yeah, so more of the details. Stephanie just laid out,

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Speaker 8: And again, their son, Nick Rayner, is thirty two years

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Speaker 8: So the police were called at three point thirty to

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Speaker 8: sources have reported that their throats were cut, and also,

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Speaker 2: And remember, you know, murder with a knife. I mean

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Speaker 8: Broke out loud and frenzied is what was being reported.

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Speaker 7: She was, you know, talking to friends too, saying that,

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Speaker 3: And this caused some kind.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 8: Ultimately, Nick Rayner was trapped down and the rested about

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Speaker 2: Kind of a random location to go to from Santa Monica.

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Speaker 3: So again, these are rarities, rarities to.

438
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 2: Murder at that level with a knife, let alone, to

439
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 2: people that would imply that one of the parents had

440
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 2: to have witnessed the other's death and can you imagine

441
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 2: and can you imagine being romy the sister who's twenty

442
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 2: eight years old. You know, the timeline that I've been

443
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 2: told is like at two pm there was a messuse

444
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 2: that showed up on Sunday and they rang the bell,

445
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 2: rang the bell, They didn't hear anything. And then an

446
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,679
Speaker 2: hour and a half or so later, the daughter who

447
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,239
Speaker 2: lives across the street roamy. She might either be on

448
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 2: the property across the street or literally across the street.

449
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,439
Speaker 2: And it sounds like Nick the either addicted to drugs

450
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:50,919
Speaker 2: or formally addicted to drugs son who they obviously have

451
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 2: had a lot of problems with. He'd been in and

452
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 2: out of rehab what seventeen.

453
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,360
Speaker 3: Times by the time he was nineteen. Wow, yeah, try everything.

454
00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 3: They said.

455
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 2: All the money in the world, right there's on things

456
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 2: that you know, money can't buy. And he was living

457
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 2: on their property. He was living with mom and dad,

458
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 2: so they had taken him in. And what little we

459
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 2: can see, there's not a ton on Nick and his

460
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 2: background per se outside of this movie, but it seems

461
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 2: like it's pretty clean on the internet right now. In

462
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 2: terms of getting more information about his early days, there

463
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 2: doesn't seem to be too too much being released right now.

464
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:28,880
Speaker 3: It was interesting.

465
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:34,400
Speaker 8: I was watching an interview between Rob Reiner and his son,

466
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 8: you know, who has killed his father and mother about

467
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 8: the process of making the film Being Charlie that you referenced,

468
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 8: and the son Nick wrote it and then his dad

469
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 8: directed it, and it was just about how they connected.

470
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 8: And you know, things had been really contentious with as

471
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,360
Speaker 8: you mentioned, on and off of drugs, in and out

472
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 8: of rehabs, in and out of homelessness for some long, skin,

473
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 8: long stints. And what Rob Reiner said was he had

474
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 8: spent in retrospect. He felt like he had spent too

475
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 8: much time listening to people who had a desk in

476
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 8: a diploma, then his own son. And he said, you know,

477
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 8: and I was being told to, you know, not roll

478
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 8: with an iron fist, but you had to stay tough.

479
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 8: And he said, O love, It's not my nature, is

480
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 8: what he said. But I was being told again and

481
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 8: again it was were the days of tough love. And

482
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 8: it was just interesting to see this father and son

483
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 8: talk about their dynamic and working together.

484
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 2: It's a really tough call too, because again, tough love

485
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 2: is what that's considered, right, And that was sort of

486
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 2: the Handbook when it came to drug addiction, Oh well,

487
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,479
Speaker 2: until somebody hits rock bottom, even if that means they

488
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 2: were sleeping on the street and you live in a mansion,

489
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 2: then that's what has to be done so that they'll

490
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 2: toughen up.

491
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 3: Well, that's what they still teach Allan on, Yeah, they do.

492
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 2: I mean one could also argue, like, maybe you're self medicating,

493
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 2: because I have to assume, and again I am not

494
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 2: a commist, and I have not read this that either

495
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 2: there's or he's had a psychotic break. You know, there

496
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 2: is like some serious self met illness that you're maybe

497
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 2: self medicating because.

498
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 3: Of the mental illness.

499
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 2: I don't think you can kill your parents without having

500
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 2: some real psychological issues. And maybe that was already there

501
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 2: and the drugs were his way of coping. You know,

502
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 2: sometimes the drugs are just what keeps a person alive, frankly,

503
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 2: because there's a there's an underlying root issue that needs

504
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 2: to be addressed.

505
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 3: Who knows.

506
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 2: Sometimes that's trauma, sometimes that's abuse. It sounds like in

507
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 2: this case they were very hands on but chose a

508
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 2: much more strict path when it came to addiction, and

509
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 2: it is brutal, it's so hard. It's so hard to

510
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 2: love somebody who's going through it.

511
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 3: It just is. And I certainly don't have the answers, but.

512
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 7: Well, I mean, you know, this is all anecdotal, but

513
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 7: you know, my brother is an alcoholic and my mom

514
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 7: babied him his whole life and it wasn't until she died,

515
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 7: and basically I could, I kind of came in charge

516
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 7: that you know, he got help and I went to

517
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 7: alan On And one of the things they tell you

518
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 7: is the rock bottom thing, and that's the only thing

519
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 7: that worked. It's the only thing. But everyone's different, you

520
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 7: know what I mean. And by the way, my brother's

521
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 7: doing great. He's phenomenal. I'm so proud of him.

522
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 3: He's been now love him. He's great.

523
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 7: But you know, I mean, that's one of the things

524
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 7: they teach you is you know, you have to stop

525
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 7: rescuing them. Hard to do because it goes against your instinct.

526
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 3: It's the most difficult thing I've ever done.

527
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 2: Have you guys ever seen the movie Beautiful Boy with

528
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 2: Timothy shallow May and I want to with Steve correct

529
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 2: In this movie, it's it's a tear jerker. If you're

530
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 2: looking for a good crier, this is the movie to

531
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 2: you know, tune into. But it is I think, such

532
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 2: a beautiful example of addiction. And so the acting is sensational.

533
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 2: Steve Carell plays really against type. He's the dad of

534
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 2: Timothy Shallomet who's struggling with addiction. Who's you know, a

535
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 2: tremendous actor in this worth a look. It kind of

536
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 2: definitely got stuck in my DNA.

537
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 3: It's heartbreaking.

538
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 2: But you know, yeah, when you're in a relationship with

539
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 2: somebody who's on drugs, there's a third person in the relationship, right,

540
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 2: there's a third thing in that relationship that is a

541
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 2: tricky It's a tricky thing to navigate, it is.

542
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 7: And I don't know the right answers, and I don't

543
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 7: know what works for one works for all. I don't

544
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 7: think there's one type solution, right. But I'm sure that

545
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 7: you know, the Rhiners tried everything. I mean, they had

546
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 7: a lot of wealth and you know things at their

547
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 7: disposal that many people don't.

548
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 3: I'm sure they tried everything they could. I'm sure they

549
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 3: loved their son very.

550
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 2: Much, of course, you know, of course, it's funny you

551
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 2: look at the photographs of them as a family, and

552
00:29:58,280 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 2: I've gone down the rabbit hole.

553
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 3: I'm a you know, really have been done on that surprise.

554
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 2: I just can't stop looking for photos, you know, and

555
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 2: he always does look like again, these are cherry picked photos.

556
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 2: We're not seeing the totality of them. But in some

557
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 2: cases he looks, you know, healthy, and then if you

558
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 2: look at him probably more real time, he kind of

559
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 2: seems slightly unrecognizable and he.

560
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 3: Looks a little like he's a little off in some

561
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 3: of these photos.

562
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 2: Romy the daughter, who's twenty eight years old, had just

563
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 2: recently posted over around the twenty ninth or so of November,

564
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 2: kind of you know, post Thanksgiving holiday, that she had

565
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 2: been on with her parents and they were in the

566
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 2: water and everything seemed beautiful and wonderful and like the

567
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 2: happiest of days. And here you are, just weeks later

568
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 2: walking into find your parents not only murdered, but murdered

569
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 2: by your brother.

570
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 6: Wow.

571
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 2: You know, it's one of those things allegedly allegedly, although

572
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 2: the alleged thing isn't so much. They're squarely saying he

573
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 2: did it, I know, even though there haven't been formal

574
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 2: charges yet. And don't forget, he was initially giving a

575
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 2: four million dollar bond for bail four million was the

576
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 2: original posting, and then they withdrew that right, so they must.

577
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 2: I don't know what goes on behind the scenes there,

578
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 2: but it has been a little quiet. It's two things. One,

579
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 2: remember it's Rob Reiner. He has very influential friends. He

580
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 2: was so beloved. He was an iconic part of Hollywood.

581
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 2: So I'm sure they want to have it handled as

582
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 2: cleanly and neatly within the NYPD blue system.

583
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 6: Yeah.

584
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 2: Oh, I had a cute story that I had heard

585
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 2: about when Sary Harry met Sally too.

586
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 7: Forget it, we can. We can get to that, but

587
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 7: later maybe we'll get to that. And from Bondi Beach

588
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 7: in Australia to Brown University classroom investigators search for answers

589
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 7: after a deadly shooting.

590
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 3: You know what, I'm feeling a little bit better.

591
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 2: Just being here with you guys today kind of tweaked

592
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 2: me up a little bit. I just felt like the

593
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 2: world seems intense. It's it's a tough time for so many,

594
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 2: especially on the eve of the holidays, and happy Hanukkah

595
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 2: to all who were celebrating this evening night two And

596
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 2: you know, it's just such a jarring thing.

597
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 3: I think we're.

598
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 2: Already a little a little anxious during these frenzied times,

599
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 2: and now adds so much sorrow.

600
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 3: So Baddi.

601
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:14,959
Speaker 2: You had a little bit of a more of an

602
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 2: update from the Rob Reiner like kind of the fight

603
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 2: at the ConA O'Brien house.

604
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,479
Speaker 7: I mean, yeah, I mean details are still details are

605
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 7: still kind of like coming out, you know, but some

606
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 7: of the ones that have come out, as I think,

607
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 7: People magazine reported that at the party at the ConA

608
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 7: O'Brien house on that Saturday night, he was the nix,

609
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 7: the son the accused in this of murdering his parents,

610
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 7: was kind of acting crazy and he was like going

611
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 7: around to people going are you famous?

612
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 3: What about you? Are you famous?

613
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 7: And you know, he was kind of embarrassing his parents

614
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 7: a little bit right right, being inappropriate, and so that's

615
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 7: when they were like, listen, we're trying to get them help.

616
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 7: Nothing's working, and it caused that's what caused this big fight.

617
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 7: And it was such a big deal, this fight that

618
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 7: the Rhiners left the party.

619
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, mom and dad dipped. They've basically that's my understanding.

620
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 8: And if you are just joining us, we're talking of

621
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 8: course about legendary Hollywood director Rob Reiner and his wife,

622
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 8: producer Michelle Reiner, who were found stabbed to death in

623
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 8: their Brentwood, Los Angeles home, and their thirty two year

624
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 8: old son, Nick, who were speaking about, has been arrested

625
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 8: and is being held without bail. And was the one

626
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 8: causing a scene at tea party with a lot of people. Yeah,

627
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 8: and it just seemed like he that Nick, the son.

628
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 8: Also he had come in. It was sort of a

629
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 8: dress up affair, and he came in in a sweatshirt

630
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 8: like very yeah, quite schlubby. And then the same when

631
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 8: people were saying tweaky was a word I was hearing, Yeah,

632
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 8: And the same was said when the son Nick checked

633
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 8: into a hotel room in Santa Monica, oh hours after

634
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 8: hours after the party and the fight. The or the

635
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 8: argument rather was that he looked tweaked when he came in,

636
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 8: is what people reported.

637
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 2: So it's the assertion that they had the party, they

638
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 2: were at the party, then mom and dad leave, and

639
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 2: then the sun eventually goes somewhere and checks into a hotel.

640
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,919
Speaker 2: And because the front desk people did not see him

641
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 2: covered in blood, which you would have to assume he would.

642
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 3: Have been covered in blood at this point.

643
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,720
Speaker 2: If you know, if what we're reading about the lacerations

644
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:39,240
Speaker 2: that mister and missus Reiner had, if that in fact

645
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 2: is accurate, then there would have been a lot of blood.

646
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 2: So he checks into this hotel without blood, just kind

647
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 2: of tweaky, and then hours later later in that following morning,

648
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 2: when the housekeeper comes to his hotel room, she then

649
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 2: finds it covered in blood or blood in the shower,

650
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,280
Speaker 2: blood on the bed, and the windows are covered, windows

651
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:00,720
Speaker 2: are covered.

652
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 3: I think is interesting? Is that meaning that.

653
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 2: He left the hotel, killed them, and then came back

654
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 2: and somehow snuck in a back entrance or what have you,

655
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 2: while he was in fact probably covered in blood. We

656
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 2: can get a little technical about this stuff too.

657
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 7: So check in for hotels is usually later afternoon, and

658
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:23,959
Speaker 7: they usually housekeeping goes to these rooms before check in, right,

659
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 7: so they would have had found this blood or whatnot.

660
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 7: If that's if that's what happened before three o'clock, right,

661
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 7: so before the parents were discovered.

662
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 2: Before the parents were discovered, But that would have just

663
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 2: meant that Nick checked into the hotel at four thirty

664
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 2: in the morning and then left it again to commit

665
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 2: the murders, or he was coming back from committing them.

666
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 7: It sounds like he let he checked in before and

667
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 7: then left and came back.

668
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: And then he went to probably score some drugs, sat

669
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 2: down at Exposition Park, and you know, it's kind of

670
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 2: a chilling detail. I don't know why it's sticking with me,

671
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 2: the fact that he had white she it's covering the windows.

672
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 2: That's annoy right, crashing, Yeah, it's a really it's.

673
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 3: I can't I can't handle it. This is excuse me.

674
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 8: Is tweaking specifically, I mean that could be any drug, right,

675
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 8: or is it generally meth?

676
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 3: It's generally meth or like that.

677
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 7: You know, I'm not really up to speed on the

678
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 7: druggling though, I'm not one hundred percent sure. But back

679
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 7: in the day, how do we call the tweakers the methods?

680
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 6: Yeah?

681
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 2: Typically what that means my understanding is that if it's

682
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 2: meth or crack, cocaine, something to that extent, and you're

683
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 2: you're wired, right, so you're up for days at a time,

684
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 2: and that too can lend to you know, seeing things

685
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 2: that aren't there, having hallucinations, rage, right, exhaustion from the

686
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 2: human body. Eventually it starts to tweak, so things start

687
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 2: going sideways. So in this case, you know from what

688
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 2: we've read. Again, these details are coming in slowly, but

689
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 2: it seems as though that party he probably showed up

690
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 2: at already a bit lit and already a little out

691
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,240
Speaker 2: of sorts, and showed up not in his Sunday finest

692
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 2: or his holiday best, and then was kind of you

693
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 2: know that guy at the party. We've all been to

694
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 2: a party where that guy exists and asking famous people

695
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 2: if they're famous. It's like, the last thing you want

696
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 2: to do at a celebrity party is asking with there famous, Right,

697
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 2: It's embarrassing, right, So hereuse now Mom and dad are like, hey,

698
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 2: cool it, take it down a notch. He gets a

699
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 2: little bit more riled up. Mom and Dad excuse themselves,

700
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 2: go home. Then he leaves, eventually gets to that hotel

701
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 2: in Santa Monica, which is also not exactly around the corner.

702
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 2: I know that hotel, but nonetheless, and then maybe he

703
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 2: leaves the hotel then goes to mom and dad's house,

704
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 2: maybe to get some stuff because he was living there

705
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 2: or takes their lives.

706
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 7: Maybe he goes there to pick up some stuff, and

707
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 7: the confrontation continued. The argument, argument continues, or erects so sad.

708
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 2: So now we're in the wee morning hours, and you know,

709
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 2: when he leaves Mom and Dad goes back to the hotel,

710
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 2: cleans himself up, covers up the windows. He knows the

711
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 2: world is crashing in, I would imagine, and how fast

712
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 2: can I get more drugs to keep to keep my

713
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 2: mind away?

714
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 7: Well, and he might even be thinking, this is my

715
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 7: last opportunity to get the score, you know a lot

716
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:33,720
Speaker 7: of the time.

717
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 2: Right, That's exactly right. And let's be honest, can you

718
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 2: imagine being him right now? Eventually this is a really

719
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 2: bad draw The withdrawals must be insane in the jail

720
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 2: because he can, oh, yeah, that you can die.

721
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 8: Depending upon what you what you're depending on what you're

722
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 8: all right.

723
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 3: It's actually one of the most dangerous things I'm thinking

724
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 3: of my brother. So I just, you know, automatically go to,

725
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:02,919
Speaker 3: oh you can die.

726
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 8: You know, alcohol is absolutely one of the most what

727
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 8: I'm understanding, And again Stephanie said a lot of it

728
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 8: as unfolding, but it seems like a combo that Nick

729
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 8: Rainer was on was heroin and other opiates.

730
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 3: Oh, you don't usually tweak when you're doing those things. Well,

731
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 3: tweet could just.

732
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 2: Be a word that it could just be what those

733
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 2: I say, like, oh I partied all night. I don't

734
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 2: mean I was out doing drugs all night. You know,

735
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 2: that's just like I say this all the time. I'm like,

736
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 2: oh yeah, I party like a rock star. Everybody must

737
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 2: think I'm like out doing hardware.

738
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 3: Oh right, I'm like, I promise that's that interesting.

739
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 2: But that's just like the lingo if I, you know,

740
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 2: as a non drug user, if I'm like that person's tweaking,

741
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 2: I'm just like, they just look like they're high as

742
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 2: a kiter.

743
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:50,720
Speaker 3: They're really on trice.

744
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 6: And this is based on someone at the front desk

745
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 6: describing it, so he could have just been super exactly right,

746
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,280
Speaker 6: any kind of you know what they define as tweaky

747
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 6: or if you will, but wow, the whole thing is

748
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 6: go ahead.

749
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 8: And what I'm seeing now is that Nick Rayner is

750
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 8: being held in administrative segregation and on suicide watch while

751
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 8: behind bars. He's at the Twin Towers Correctional Facility in

752
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 8: Los Angeles.

753
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 7: And it's also my understandation if it is heroin, and

754
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 7: I don't know that it is, but if it is,

755
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 7: then I don't think he'll have any medical detos. I

756
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 7: don't think they provide that in jail for heroin, for opiates.

757
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 3: I think so.

758
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 2: Either And listen, either way, you're coming off of anything

759
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 2: at that point, you know, it's still a pretty rough Ooh,

760
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 2: it's for rebirth to the real world. Right, So now, hey,

761
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 2: welcome to prison or jail where you're now shackled. There

762
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 2: is no bail, And let's just go there for a

763
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 2: second and make the assumption the prayer that he was

764
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 2: so high on drugs and had some sort of a

765
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 2: psychotic break. You would assume that has to be the

766
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 2: case for someone to be able to even commit a

767
00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 2: crime like this that now it's Can you imagine how

768
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 2: the drugs are wearing off in the realization that you

769
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 2: killed your parents, you committed patricide of the beloved.

770
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 8: Oh, it's too terrible. Well, listen, this is true crime tonight.

771
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,280
Speaker 8: We are on iHeartRadio. I'm Courtney here with Stephanie Leidecker

772
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 8: and body move in and we are talking about what

773
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 8: everyone seems to be talking about, which is the fact

774
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 8: that legendary Hollywood director Rob Reiner and his wife, producer

775
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 8: Michelle Reiner, have been found dead, stabbed to death. In

776
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,439
Speaker 8: their Bretwood home. Their thirty two year old son Nick

777
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 8: has been arrested and held without bail. And we'd love

778
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 8: for you to weigh in. So you know, as I mentioned,

779
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 8: everyone has been talking about this, including President Trump on

780
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 8: social media. Was among one of many people to weigh in,

781
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 8: and what President Trump had to say was quote, A

782
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 8: very sad thing happened last night Hollywood. Rob Reiner, tortured

783
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,919
Speaker 8: and struggling but once very talented movie director and comedy star,

784
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 8: has passed away together with his wife Michelle, reportedly due

785
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 8: to the anger he caused others through his massive, unyielding

786
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 8: an incurable affliction with a mind crippling disease known as

787
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 8: Trump derangement syndrome, sometimes referred to as TDS. Again, we

788
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 8: are just we found it newsworthy since the President of

789
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 8: our United States posted this on truth social.

790
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 2: There's no words to describe what that must be like

791
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 2: for family members to read from the President of the

792
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 2: United States when you're so he's when you're grieving and

793
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 2: dealing with something. So what, Yeah, we are better than this.

794
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 2: Everybody together, regardless of politics, I think we could all

795
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 2: agree that we are.

796
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 3: Better than this. We are better than this. We were

797
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 3: raised better and it's so upsetting.

798
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 8: It's so upsetting, and just the twenty please soon say again, somebody,

799
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 8: twenty fifth amendment, the twenty fifth Amendment. Like enough, this

800
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 8: is insane.

801
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 3: It's really like shocking. I'm I'm embarrassed. I mean, i

802
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 3: I'm embarrassed. There.

803
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 2: These are difficult times for so many Why are we

804
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 2: piling on human Yeah, just as people, and he has

805
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 2: to get digs into the once talented, you know, like, oh.

806
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 8: God, well and other people. So many people are speaking out,

807
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 8: you know, in these really just hours. It's not even

808
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,720
Speaker 8: days since Rob Briiner and his wife Michelle have passed,

809
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 8: and in addition to being a beloved director, there has

810
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 8: been an out pouring of love for the family and

811
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 8: just saying how much Rob Briner helped, you.

812
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 3: Know, shaped actors that he worked with.

813
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 8: And also he was in his own right political in

814
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 8: terms of supporting many issues that were important to him.

815
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 8: But largely people are just tailing him as kind and

816
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 8: compassionate and that's what most of the chatter.

817
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I know what else. He's Jewish? Right,

818
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 3: And it was honkah, Oh that's right.

819
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 6: I didn't even think about that.

820
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 3: Oh, gosh, I'm sad.

821
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 2: It's just so terrible for those being left behind, you know,

822
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 2: I mean his sister Romi, I mean.

823
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 3: She's twenty eight years old.

824
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 2: What a mess like now you get left with this

825
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 2: mess that every Hanukah you have to remember this vicious act.

826
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 2: And you know now they're going to be at a

827
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 2: funeral instead of being around the holiday table. You know,

828
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 2: so many people deal with so much loss. That would

829
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 2: be a beautiful time for somebody to tweet something on

830
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 2: X that's inspiring and supportive and loving and connecting. You know,

831
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 2: we all need to be more connected. That's not the

832
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 2: answer here. So I know what we were all saying

833
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 2: the same thing. And I know again not to make

834
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 2: this anything about politics. It couldn't be further from.

835
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's not political to be human, exactly correct. I

836
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 7: don't care if who's in office, Democrat, Republican. You got

837
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 7: to be human to be a human being.

838
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 3: You know.

839
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 2: I heard a cute thing also just about Rob Reiner.

840
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 2: He had given an interview basically when he was working

841
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 2: on Harry met Sally. He himself was recently divorced and

842
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 2: was trying to start dating again, and all the foibles

843
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 2: that came with it. So Harry met Sally was a

844
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 2: little bit loosely based on his personal experience, and the

845
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 2: original ending was that they were not supposed to be together.

846
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 2: They weren't going to they weren't going to get together

847
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 2: because maybe love doesn't always work out, and that's like

848
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 2: the true lesson in this. And then on that set

849
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 2: he met Michelle, his photographer wife, and that's where they

850
00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:00,720
Speaker 2: met and as a result he realized that love really

851
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 2: does matter. And then they actually change the ending where

852
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 2: they got that famous line when Billy Crystal says to

853
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 2: Meg Ryan, when you when you meet.

854
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 3: The love of your life, you I'm gonna get it wrong.

855
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 3: What is the quote?

856
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 6: Quote?

857
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 3: It's yeah, you want to start as soon.

858
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 2: Hold on, when you meet the love of your life,

859
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 2: you want to start the rest of your life as

860
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 2: soon as possible.

861
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 3: Yep. That's for decades.

862
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 6: I did not know that.

863
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 9: I didn't know that I have a dear Yeah, like

864
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 9: that was like my greatest life of all time, you know.

865
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 9: So I've personally got so much joy out of his

866
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 9: work and have been moved so deeply by the movies

867
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 9: he's made, and I think so many of us, you know,

868
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 9: raise your hand.

869
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 3: If you know somebody in this.

870
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 2: World that you love that has been deeply affected by addiction.

871
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 2: There's there there every race, every religion, every socioeconomic group.

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Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, they had obviously a fourteen million dollar home,

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Speaker 2: but still a handful of troubles, right, So we just

874
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Speaker 2: have to be a little kinder to each other.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know. I love you guys so much,

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Speaker 3: love you too.

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Speaker 8: You're unbelievably same same. Well, listen, keep it here. It's

878
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Speaker 8: tough days and we're going to be talking about details

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Speaker 8: emerging after the mass shootings at brown And in Sydney.

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Speaker 3: Keep it here to Pran tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with

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Speaker 2: my two favorite ladies, Body Moving in Courtney Armstrong, and

884
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Speaker 2: of course we have Taha and Sam and Adam in

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Speaker 2: the control room.

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Speaker 3: Listen. If you've missed any of the.

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Speaker 2: First hour of the show How Time Flies, don't worry

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Speaker 2: about it because you can always catch us right after

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Speaker 2: as a podcast, and of course, as always you can

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Speaker 2: always join us live eight eight eight to three. One

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Speaker 2: Crime Today has been a doozy of a day in

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Speaker 2: the land of true crime. We've talked a lot about

893
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Speaker 2: Robin Michelle Reiner and the terrible loss and the amount

894
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Speaker 2: of trouble that their son Nick is now about to

895
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Speaker 2: face tomorrow, so we'll obviously be continuing to follow that.

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Speaker 2: And then these shootings both at Brown and in Sydney, Australia.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know where to begin, but we definitely

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Speaker 2: want to make sure we're sharing the newest developments in

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Speaker 2: those cases as well.

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Speaker 3: But first let's go to a talkback.

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Speaker 10: HI Team Leir in Australia. Thank you for talking about

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Speaker 10: the shooting in Bondai that happened yesterday. Rattled pretty much

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Speaker 10: everyone here. It's not something that we see every day.

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Speaker 10: Just in terms I think of what you guys were

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Speaker 10: talking about. With gun laws, you either have to be

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Speaker 10: a member of a gun club or you have to

907
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Speaker 10: have a reason so farming permits, etc. Et cetera to

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Speaker 10: have a gun. So that's how he ended up with

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Speaker 10: a firearms. I think the response from our government at

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Speaker 10: this stage is that they'll actually be cracking down even

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Speaker 10: further on the permits that are handed out. So currently

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Speaker 10: you basically get a license to tim perpetuity, so they're

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Speaker 10: actually looking at reviewing licenses and looking at banning more weapons,

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Speaker 10: so increasing the current restrictions that we have, and I

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Speaker 10: think it's probably a popular, well supported measure.

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Speaker 3: Wow, Australia is amazing.

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Speaker 7: And you know what's crazy about I mean not really crazy,

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Speaker 7: but I thought of our Australian listeners when this happened,

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Speaker 7: and so it's so crazy because we have a lot

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Speaker 7: of Australian listeners and you know, they call in quite

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Speaker 7: a bit, they're pretty active with us. And so my

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Speaker 7: first thoughts were my friends if from the Mole, who

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Speaker 7: were the producers, right, they're all Australian And I was like,

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Speaker 7: oh my god, they're all okay though, And then of

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Speaker 7: course our listeners who call in all the time, I'm

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Speaker 7: so glad that you called in.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and sickening. It's so upsetting.

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Speaker 2: It's so upsetting even just to watch the footage and

929
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Speaker 2: everyone's having a beautiful day at the.

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Speaker 3: Beach, celebrating their holiday in the.

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Speaker 2: Summer days, you know, and you know here we see

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Speaker 2: that same you know, people running for cover and it's

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Speaker 2: it's just too much.

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Speaker 7: And seeing it happen in another country who normally doesn't

935
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Speaker 7: have this happen to them. It's almost like my heart

936
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Speaker 7: breaks because it's like, oh God, now they're experiencing what

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Speaker 7: we're experiencing. Because you don't want anybody to go through that,

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Speaker 7: you know what I mean, you don't want anybody. I

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Speaker 7: was watching as the shooters were on top of the bridge.

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Speaker 7: They're you know, shooting, and there were people running and

941
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Speaker 7: trying to hide, and I was just like, oh, I

942
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Speaker 7: don't know.

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Speaker 3: It made me feel.

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Speaker 7: Sheer terror because I watched the whole eleven minute video

945
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Speaker 7: and I was just it's.

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Speaker 3: And you use the right words there, shear terror. That's

947
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Speaker 3: what it is, right and nobody's to have to face this. Well,

948
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Speaker 3: it's an act of terror.

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Speaker 8: Zone. There is some more information. I'm just gonna state

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Speaker 8: it factually and we'll go through it. So there is

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Speaker 8: more information coming out about the victims and the perpetrators

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Speaker 8: of this tragic mass shooting incident. Of course, it took

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Speaker 8: place at Australia's Bondai Beach jeez, just yesterday, December fourteenth,

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Speaker 8: first day of Hanukkah. At least fifteen people were killed,

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Speaker 8: and that includes a ten year old girl named Matilda

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Speaker 8: Poltevchen excuse me, poll Tevchenko, Rabbi Eli Schlanger, and Holocaust

957
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Speaker 8: survivor Alex Kleiman. Now the attack occurred, yeah, oh yeah,

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Speaker 8: So this attack occurred again first night of Hanukah during

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Speaker 8: Hanukkah by the Sea Festival, which is an annual Jewish

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Speaker 8: celebration held at the beautiful Bondai Beach in Sydney, and again,

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Speaker 8: and this is being classified as a targeted terrorist attack.

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Speaker 8: About forty people have been hospitalized. Injuries still range from

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Speaker 8: critical to stable. The victims range in age from ten

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Speaker 8: to eighty seven. The perpetrators have since we spoke yesterday.

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Speaker 8: They have been identified as fifty year old Sahid Akram

966
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Speaker 8: and his twenty four year old son, Navid Akram now

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Speaker 8: the father the shooter. Sahid was killed by police at

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Speaker 8: the scene, and the twenty four year old son has

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Speaker 8: sustained critical injuries and has been hospitalized under police guard.

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Speaker 8: Many of us know of or have seen, the video

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Speaker 8: of a local man deemed a hero. He lives in Sydney.

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Speaker 8: He is a fruit stand odor. His name is Ahmed

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Speaker 8: al Ahmed, and he was again filmed tackling and disarming

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Speaker 8: one of the attackers preventing further casual tease. It was unbelievable.

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Speaker 8: And while he was disarming this one of the attackers,

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Speaker 8: it's unclear to me if it was the fifty year

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Speaker 8: old father of the twenty four year old son. I

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Speaker 8: didn't realize it.

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Speaker 3: When we spoke yesterday, but he was while doing that,

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Speaker 3: he was shot twice by.

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Speaker 2: The other oh either, So it was the father that

982
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Speaker 2: he tackled and the son was on the bridge, I think,

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Speaker 2: And it was the son.

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Speaker 3: I think the son that so I didn't realize that.

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Speaker 3: We were kind of like maybe in the struggle. You know,

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Speaker 3: you've not seen that video.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this human I mean, it is so too

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Speaker 2: much that this man just like went straight into the

989
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Speaker 2: line of fire quite literally, to save so many lives.

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Speaker 2: Courage like that immediate instinct to do the right thing,

991
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Speaker 2: to be a hero, to help others.

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Speaker 3: I think that it's more common than we think. But

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Speaker 3: and then he just pulled that gun out.

994
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Speaker 2: He didn't know, like he like held that gun like

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Speaker 2: he was he was trained for this moment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he's literally he literally was a leg.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: He swept the leg which is what threw him off

999
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Speaker 8: balance and got the gun from this perpetrator. It was

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Speaker 8: unbelievable wear it off even though he had been shot

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Speaker 8: twice in the legs.

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Speaker 3: I mean like he really he was a hero, truly

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Speaker 3: is a hero. Yeah.

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Speaker 8: A go Fundme campaign has been made to support this hero,

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Speaker 8: Ahmed Alahmed, as he recovers from the gunshot wounds, and

1006
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Speaker 8: there has been over one point four Australian one point

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Speaker 8: four million Australian dollars.

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Speaker 3: So that's.

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Speaker 2: One point four million Australian dollars sion in the US

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Speaker 2: nine thousand.

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Speaker 6: Wow, it's a million. But still that's credible.

1012
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Speaker 3: That's an incredible I want to donate. So exciting. I

1013
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Speaker 3: didn't know they have to go fundy. I'm gonna definitely donate.

1014
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Speaker 2: I'm going to donate for sure. That guy deserves it.

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Speaker 2: He deserves everything everything.

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Speaker 8: So in terms of silver linings, there are that. There

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Speaker 8: is that another small silver lining. There was a three

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Speaker 8: year old girl, three toddler named g. G. Miller who

1019
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Speaker 8: was separated from her parents during this attack. However, she

1020
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Speaker 8: was shielded from gunfire by a woman who we know

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Speaker 8: only by her first name Jess just use her own

1022
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Speaker 8: body as a human shield. She has been hospitalized. The

1023
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Speaker 8: adult Jess and but the three year old GG has

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Speaker 8: been safely reunited with.

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Speaker 3: Heroic Chess.

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Speaker 8: To just, you know, take a toddler and use your

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Speaker 8: body as a shield.

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Speaker 2: Every single one of you, Courtney, Body, Taha, Adam and Sam.

1029
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Speaker 2: I know you would do the same thing as I

1030
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Speaker 2: help the little.

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Speaker 3: Three year old. Yes, of course, I've lived my life,

1032
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Speaker 3: you know.

1033
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Speaker 8: Same and then yeah, and over forty one thousand Australians

1034
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Speaker 8: are donating blood to help the cause. So I think

1035
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Speaker 8: we leave it on these tiny, tiny bits of silver story.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that's wise.

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Speaker 3: I think that that definitely helps.

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Speaker 7: This is true Crime tonight on iHeartRadio, where we're talking

1039
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Speaker 7: to crime all the time. I'm body moving and I'm

1040
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Speaker 7: here with Stephanie and Courtney. We're right in the middle

1041
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Speaker 7: of talking about the devastating shootings that have taken place

1042
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Speaker 7: over the weekend. If you want to wait and give

1043
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Speaker 7: us a call eight to eight thirty one Crime. So

1044
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Speaker 7: I have an update in this Brown University shooting. So

1045
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Speaker 7: authorities after we went off air last night, the authorities

1046
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Speaker 7: in Rhode Island had a press conference. The person of

1047
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Speaker 7: interest that they had in custody, they released him.

1048
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Speaker 3: He's not the guy he's not the guy.

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Speaker 7: So authorities are continuing the third day of their search

1050
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Speaker 7: for the gunmen responsible for the mass shooting at Brown

1051
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Speaker 7: University on December thirteenth, after releasing and clearing the man

1052
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Speaker 7: that was previously detained as the person of interest. The

1053
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Speaker 7: attack left two students dead, nine others injured, and has

1054
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Speaker 7: prompted an ongoing multi agency investigation.

1055
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Speaker 3: Wow, I mean, how about it.

1056
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Speaker 2: The student that survived Parkland also was you know, witness

1057
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Speaker 2: to this mess as well. That's two active shootings in

1058
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Speaker 2: their educational career, their young life.

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Speaker 3: It's refine.

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Speaker 6: There was a second person, there was a young woman

1061
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Speaker 6: named Nia Trita Treda I think, but she was also

1062
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Speaker 6: a part of the twenty nineteen Ticaga's High school shooting

1063
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Speaker 6: mass shooting in California, So she was a student. So

1064
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Speaker 6: both of them have survived, you know, two mass shootings

1065
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Speaker 6: before they're even twenty one years old, which is incredible.

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Speaker 3: I mean, can you no?

1067
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Speaker 2: And the video you see children and you know, and

1068
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Speaker 2: you hear the gunshots in the background. They would skid

1069
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Speaker 2: over that kind of stuff. They were so quanet. And

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Speaker 2: by the way, that was interesting, I thought, typically you've

1071
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Speaker 2: heard in other scenarios that it was scattered and when

1072
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Speaker 2: you hear gunshots, people are panicking and you know, trampling

1073
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Speaker 2: over each other. Apparently this was silent. Everybody was moving inside.

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Speaker 6: They've been trained, Yeah, I know they've pointed that out

1075
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Speaker 6: last night. That thrown up their entire lives. Trained for

1076
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Speaker 6: mass shootings and something I've never.

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Speaker 3: You and I would be screaming like a lunatic. Yeah.

1078
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're throwing chairs at the windows and stuff, like

1079
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Speaker 2: all kinds of crazy.

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Speaker 8: Kids are doing these trainings as young as kindergarten, and

1081
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Speaker 8: it's just fat American life.

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Speaker 6: Hear that. But I guess it's a you know, you

1083
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Speaker 6: have to do that to be prepared, but it just

1084
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Speaker 6: seems so how do you even explain that to a kindergartener.

1085
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Speaker 3: I watched that video.

1086
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Speaker 2: One of the students that was hiding in the I

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Speaker 2: think it's a library, recorded a video and I sent

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Speaker 2: it to you guys.

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Speaker 7: You sent it to us, and I watched it like

1090
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 7: twenty thirty and I looked at the faces of every

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00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:18,959
Speaker 7: single student and I was really just I was trying

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00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 7: to put myself in that position, and I just couldn't

1093
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 7: that the composure that they had was just so remarkable,

1094
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 7: so remarkable, and I'm sorry that they have to have it.

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00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 3: No, I mean.

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00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 2: Exactly like they should be out, you know, dancing on

1097
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 2: tables and living their best lives at the end of

1098
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 2: finals and getting excited about the holidays and getting off

1099
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 2: of school finally for holiday break.

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Speaker 3: That's what they should be doing.

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Speaker 11: I know.

1102
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 2: So, and here we are in this house. So this

1103
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 2: guy is still at last. Yeah, he's still at large.

1104
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 2: The actual shooter, the real one responsible, is still at large.

1105
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 2: They've released a video showing a person dressed entirely in black.

1106
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 2: He looks kind of stocky, leaving the campus. Two students

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Speaker 2: were killed, sophomore Ella Cook and freshman Mcammad Aziz Merkrozov.

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Speaker 2: The victim, Ella Cook had attended Brown since twenty twenty

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01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 2: four and was described as a bright light by her

1110
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 2: church community. And victim Mcammad was a promising Uzip I'm sorry,

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Speaker 2: Uzbek American and he was studying to be a neurosurgeon. Now,

1112
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 2: a neural This guy could have cured brain cancer. Yeah

1113
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 2: for some you know what I mean, Like, yes, you know,

1114
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 2: it's just horrible, horrible. Nine students were injured in this attack.

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Speaker 2: Six are in critical but stable condition. One remains critical,

1116
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 2: two have been stabilized, and one has been discharged. Kendall Turner,

1117
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 2: a Brown University freshman, remains in critical but stable condition.

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01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 2: Her parents, of course, have rushed to her bedside in Providence.

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Speaker 2: The Providence Police are canvasing neighborhoods near the campus to

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Speaker 2: collect video footage and witness information. I mean, be a

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01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 2: ring doorbell with this guy's face on it, you know, well,

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01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 2: it's so surprising. I mean again, you know this is

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Speaker 2: it's a university. You would imagine that there are cameras

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01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 2: literally everywhere. Let alone, it's a city, you know, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's been alleged many times that is a city that

1126
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 2: you can get a ticket in your mailbox any day

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01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 2: of the week because you ran through a stop sign

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Speaker 2: and there's cameras everywhere. So if there's cameras everywhere that

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01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 2: can catch the person rolling through the stop sign, how

1130
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 2: is this person.

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01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 3: Still at large?

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01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 8: Unfortunately, it seemed officials have in this very specific area,

1133
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 8: officials have cited a lack of surveillance cameras inside the

1134
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 8: building as a key obstacle to identifying the shooter.

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01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was an older building, so it hadn't really

1136
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 2: been renovated and brought up with all of the proper cameras.

1137
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 2: But tell that to every parent whose kid had to

1138
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 2: just sit there in the library and all of these

1139
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 2: horrible places, sheltering in place terrible.

1140
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,160
Speaker 3: I don't know, we can do better. Yeah, we have

1141
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 3: to do better, and we have to do better. I mean,

1142
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 3: these are our kids, you know what I mean.

1143
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 2: I don't know a man that they're resilient and their

1144
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 2: great minds are going to go on and make the

1145
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 2: world a better place, no doubt. But it just makes

1146
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 2: the holidays kind of a clunk, you know, like these

1147
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 2: are supposed to be time celebrated. Oh the kid that

1148
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 2: was wrongly identified by the way we went in taha,

1149
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 2: that was smart. We went back after the show last

1150
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 2: night and just deleted that section from the podcast and.

1151
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 3: Bleeped his knee. Yeah, graduated. But it was everywhere this

1152
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 3: guy's everywhere that that lawsuit is going to be massive.

1153
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 3: They couldn't possibly.

1154
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 2: First of all, why does he have everybody have so

1155
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 2: many guns? They found him at this hotel room with

1156
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 2: more guns.

1157
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 3: He had like two guns. I think it wasn't like

1158
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 3: a lot of guns would be like traveling got even travels,

1159
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 3: but now we need two guns everywhere we go.

1160
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 2: But I but yeah, like this guy got put his

1161
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 2: picture was everywhere and now they're like, sorry, wrong guy. Yeah,

1162
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 2: that's also part of the deal, but also kind of

1163
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:11,920
Speaker 2: dangerous for him.

1164
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Speaker 8: Well keep it here because we've got the Epstein document dump.

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Speaker 3: It's growing True Crime tonight.

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01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

1167
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. Steph here with Courtney and Body.

1168
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 2: We got a little emotional I thought we almost lost Courtney.

1169
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 2: There emotional stuff to be talking about. So everybody's had

1170
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 2: their teary moments, and now we just shook it off.

1171
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 2: We're shaking it off and moving on to more terribly

1172
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 2: terrible things. Four days left before the Epstein files are

1173
01:03:55,240 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 2: officially released. On Buying Law Done, Dune, Dunney Armstrong, what

1174
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 2: do you think is going to happen? Why don't you

1175
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 2: fill us in on these dumps of photos that we

1176
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 2: just recently have had access to.

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Speaker 8: Yes, So on Friday, which last Friday was one week

1178
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 8: before the deadline or early four days away, so a

1179
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 8: bunch of photos were released or ninety new photos were

1180
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 8: released by the House Oversight Committee and these came from

1181
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 8: the Jeffrey Epstein estate. Jeffrey Ebston, of course, was a

1182
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 8: convicted sex offender. He died by suicide back in twenty

1183
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 8: nineteen while in prison awaiting trial on federal sex trafficking charges,

1184
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 8: though we had been convicted on the state wide charges.

1185
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 8: Congressional and legal investigations continue to examine Epstein's estate associations

1186
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 8: with public figures and related documents. These include photos, emails,

1187
01:04:55,080 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 8: and other materials. Now, in these two batches of photos,

1188
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 8: there's about ninety of them, and they are part of

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01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 8: more than ninety five thousand images.

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Speaker 3: That have been obtained under subpoena. That's crazy.

1191
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 8: And in these images you can see Ebstein in private

1192
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 8: settings including his bathtub, the estate room, and with personal

1193
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 8: items including a dentist chair, a carved pumpkin labeled Trumpkin

1194
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 8: novelty condoms featuring President Trump's face, as well as a

1195
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:36,440
Speaker 8: GX ninety nine massage therapy system.

1196
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 3: So we all have our items that.

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Speaker 8: Are precious to each of us. And these are a

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Speaker 8: few in Epstein's world, right.

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Speaker 2: Like, none of the photos were that well, taking the

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01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 2: dentist chair or this in this most recent this one

1201
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 2: from Friday, let's put the dentist chair on pause and

1202
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 2: weird creepy masks. Let's put that aside, and now we

1203
01:05:57,200 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 2: have some of the greats. Right So, But nobody that

1204
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 2: we did didn't totally already know about Bill Clinton's in

1205
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 2: these photographs. Obviously President Trump is photographed Steve Bannon. I'm

1206
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 2: not totally sure what the connection there is, but it

1207
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 2: seems like he's about in and out with Epstein quite

1208
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 2: a bit.

1209
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 8: Also, who else Bill Gates, Richard Branson who in America?

1210
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 3: Richard Branson broke my heart a little.

1211
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:30,040
Speaker 8: But again, none of these are pictures I have been

1212
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 8: in pictures with. You know, who knows just because you're

1213
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:37,040
Speaker 8: in the business, the trash that you're hanging around.

1214
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 3: With, like attracting, like a trouble.

1215
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 8: But Attorney Alan Dershowitz, of course, Larry Summers.

1216
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:50,040
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's.

1217
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 8: It's the people. No, I don't think any of these

1218
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 8: shocked me. Allan Woody, Allen.

1219
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 3: It surprised you. Why would that surprise? He married that.

1220
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 6: Part, It isn't a surprise, But I didn't know that

1221
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 6: he was in that circle.

1222
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 3: He married, he married a little girl.

1223
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I guess, I guess I shouldn't be a surprise.

1224
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 6: I don't know yet, Okay.

1225
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 2: But again that seemed like they were on a set, right,

1226
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 2: So to Courtney's point, you know, people take photographs.

1227
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 3: He was a very photographed man.

1228
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 2: Even Donald Trump said this that Epstein was, you know,

1229
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 2: very popular in West Palm Beach and probably took photographs

1230
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 2: with everybody. Okay, let's put that. Let's let's just go

1231
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 2: with that for a second. Right, There weren't any like

1232
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:34,640
Speaker 2: huge shockers.

1233
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 3: At least. The glove was crazy. The glove is insane.

1234
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 3: And then someone it's like a black rubberish glove, like

1235
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 3: almost Latexi.

1236
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:51,040
Speaker 7: Maybe it's a very shiny Okay, it's it's black, and

1237
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 7: it's got like different ribs for each each appendage, each digit,

1238
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 7: different different some textureatuses different textures.

1239
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 3: Let's see, it's very freaky.

1240
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:08,480
Speaker 2: And what do you think that would possibly be used for?

1241
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 2: I can't something? Or is it possible that it seems

1242
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 2: like there's experiments happening.

1243
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:17,799
Speaker 3: This is gonna be like, does.

1244
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:22,640
Speaker 7: Does seem some kind of experiments going on? Because you

1245
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 7: got that weird dentis chair and you had the medical

1246
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 7: equipment by that bed from you know a couple of

1247
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 7: years ago that we saw he got this crazy glove. Yeah,

1248
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:34,160
Speaker 7: I would say it's like a BDSM glove kind of thing.

1249
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:37,639
Speaker 2: But they also say that he was super into something

1250
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:43,400
Speaker 2: called transhumanism. That was his word, transhumanism. Epstein was like

1251
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 2: a transhumanism with the sionado And I'm not entirely sure

1252
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:53,559
Speaker 2: what that means. It's like life longevity and like something

1253
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:57,400
Speaker 2: that would require experiments on human life. Again, this is

1254
01:08:57,400 --> 01:09:00,000
Speaker 2: the scuttle, but so this is not what was an

1255
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:03,599
Speaker 2: the actual photographs, but this is the chatter. And then

1256
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 2: probably the most alarming detail if you all haven't seen this,

1257
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 2: there's a photograph of Epstein sitting behind his desk, and

1258
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:15,040
Speaker 2: at the desk talking with him, very happily is Steve

1259
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 2: Bannon and they're engaged in some heavy conversation and they're

1260
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 2: in what appears to be Epstein's office, and there's like,

1261
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 2: you know, picture frames on his desk, and in one

1262
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:30,280
Speaker 2: of the picture frames it appears to be a redacted

1263
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:35,200
Speaker 2: face of a woman like on a couch, laying down on.

1264
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 3: A couch, passed out.

1265
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 2: She still thinks she would have a passed out woman

1266
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 2: on his couch right in his look.

1267
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:43,519
Speaker 3: I think she's just.

1268
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 7: A woman in the picture, like laying down, maybe posing,

1269
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:48,639
Speaker 7: you know, like this or something.

1270
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 3: I just think that would be crazy.

1271
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:54,880
Speaker 2: Wait, so you think it was like Marilyn, like not

1272
01:09:55,040 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 2: actually Carolyn an attractive woman? Yeah, like you know, like

1273
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 2: a photograph something. It's like already had a passed out

1274
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 2: woman in a picture frame on that desk, wouldn't you

1275
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 2: be like, what the heck is going on? Why is

1276
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:15,160
Speaker 2: her face redacted? Maybe she's a victim, So there's a

1277
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:18,599
Speaker 2: photograph of a victim elegantly on a couch.

1278
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 3: Maybe she's not passed out, maybe she's wide awake. Can

1279
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:23,920
Speaker 3: we just go with wide awake? But it is weird.

1280
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 3: I'm not going to say it is.

1281
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 12: Weird itself is like looks very out of place too,

1282
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:32,600
Speaker 12: Like it's like a really big, like just kind of

1283
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:35,920
Speaker 12: like blue frame. So it seems like, I mean, this

1284
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 12: is a weird observation. But it's like, maybe it's not

1285
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 12: sitting on the desk all the time, Like it looks

1286
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:41,840
Speaker 12: out of place.

1287
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 2: And is it possible that it's not a picture frame,

1288
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 2: like it's a monitor or something.

1289
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 3: Is it possible that it's like a screen?

1290
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 7: I think a screen would photograph differently like normally when

1291
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:57,639
Speaker 7: you take a picture of a screen you can see.

1292
01:10:57,439 --> 01:10:59,479
Speaker 3: The lines in a you know you would know the

1293
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 3: answer to it. I think it's like, what do you

1294
01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:02,080
Speaker 3: think it looks like?

1295
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:04,679
Speaker 2: You think it looks like a photograph of a young

1296
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 2: woman who's maybe alive. It's just like an artistic photo

1297
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:10,799
Speaker 2: that her face is redacted from.

1298
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:13,800
Speaker 12: I think it looks it looks freaky to me.

1299
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 3: I mean the position of the body and everything. I

1300
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 3: don't know, it looks weird.

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Speaker 2: It does like a strange thing to have on your desk, yes,

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Speaker 2: and my way, I don't know that I would have.

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Speaker 3: Noticed it had it not been redacted.

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Speaker 6: Right, Oh, good point, yeah, because that makes you look like,

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01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 6: what is this? We have focus on it.

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Speaker 2: Like I went every inch of the room. So strange,

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01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:41,080
Speaker 2: of course you did, right, crazy? And then what's up

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01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:42,160
Speaker 2: with the Steve Bannon of it all?

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01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:42,559
Speaker 3: Who knows?

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01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, he knows so much about him?

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Speaker 8: Well, he was one of the you mean, like, what's

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01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 8: doing with Steve Bannon? I mean he was the biggest

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01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:59,799
Speaker 8: advisor in Trump's first presidency, so and now he continues

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01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 8: to have a very very successful and influential podcast. I

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01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 8: mean he was the I mean people would argue, who

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01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:13,599
Speaker 8: was the brains and momentum behind yeah, behind Donald Trump,

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Speaker 8: the president so powerful, making.

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Speaker 2: To suggest with anybody's right mind that Steve Bannon and

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01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:24,799
Speaker 2: Donald Trump did not know that sex trafficking was happening

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Speaker 2: or that there were people being victimized by Epstein at

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Speaker 2: this point, because is that the assertion that nobody just

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01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 2: knew about it. They were like, ooh, nothing to see here,

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01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 2: I didn't even know about it. But we're just going

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01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 2: to assume that they didn't know anything about it. I'm

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Speaker 2: not even saying they participated, but did they know about it?

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Speaker 8: Well, we don't know when the So for example, if

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01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:54,840
Speaker 8: if unless these are dated photos, if it's you know,

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Speaker 8: two thousand and eight onward, then it's completely public, like

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01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:04,160
Speaker 8: everybody knows and he's he's an convicted sex vender, sex vender.

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Speaker 8: If it's before that, there's plausible deniability.

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Speaker 2: We could probably if we if we wanted to, we

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Speaker 2: could probably date that photo of Bandon in the office

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Speaker 2: by looking at the kind of computer, the books that

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Speaker 2: are on the library shelves, you know, things like that,

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Speaker 2: because it looks like there's some books and stuff in

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Speaker 2: the background.

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Speaker 3: We could probably figure it out. But we don't know

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01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:28,440
Speaker 3: the dates of it.

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Speaker 6: Too old for meditating.

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Speaker 3: Woody Allen was looking pretty old in those photos, so

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Speaker 3: he wasn't looking young.

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Speaker 13: He wasn't looking too good. Has never looked young to

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01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 13: me when he was young. Always, even when he was

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01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 13: in his thirties, he looks oldest. Heck to me, one

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Speaker 13: of the grossest.

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Speaker 8: And maybe I shouldn't use that word, but it's Woody

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01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:49,920
Speaker 8: Allan giving what I would just call a real like

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01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 8: knowing sly grin and nod to the uh put.

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Speaker 3: The man formerly known as Prince Andrew. I've seen that one.

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Speaker 2: I have not seen that the man formerly known It's agree.

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01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:10,360
Speaker 2: By the way, Andrew's the only one who's taken the hit.

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01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 2: It seems like everybody else is scooted by. If it

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01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 2: wasn't for Melinda Gates, you know, even Bill Gates would

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01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:18,840
Speaker 2: be scooting by. She's the only one that's like yelling

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01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:21,680
Speaker 2: from the rooftops that you know, he's a problem. He's

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01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 2: the problem. But you know, there doesn't seem to be

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01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 2: any real accountability. Not only were we told that there

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01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:29,879
Speaker 2: was nothing to see there and there was nothing worth pursuing,

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01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 2: and therefore the files had nothing of consequence in them.

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01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 2: I would just have to assume that anybody who's in

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Speaker 2: these photographs to some degree, if it's after two thousand

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01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 2: and eight, had an awareness that there were crimes being

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01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:46,920
Speaker 2: done to young women, or crimes to women period, young

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01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:50,639
Speaker 2: or old. And to make the assertion that you had

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01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 2: no idea that that was happening just getting further and

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01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:57,240
Speaker 2: further to believe, harder and harder to believe. I should

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01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:00,599
Speaker 2: say so four days in counting ye glorify.

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Speaker 8: Are people's publicly, I don't think they're saying anything. Are

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01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:08,120
Speaker 8: all of these people saying I had no idea there

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01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 8: was any wrongdoing?

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Speaker 6: I haven't heard anything.

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Speaker 2: Well, we've been hearing that from day one, you know,

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Speaker 2: not necessarily since Friday. I'm just saying since the beginning

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01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 2: of time. Even President Trump is saying, look, you know,

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01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:19,840
Speaker 2: if this guy did bad things.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 8: I don't know, like I barely know the guy. But

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01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:25,679
Speaker 8: outside of President, like now, I'm running through my head.

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01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 8: Has Steve Bannon or Woody Ellen or any of these

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01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:33,479
Speaker 8: people they've said, like I had no idea, I can't think.

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Speaker 2: Of I can't think of Steve Bannon, Bill Clinton, I

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01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 2: pretty assured has said, like you know anything.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I don't believe that for a second.

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01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 2: I mean, just no version of this story that like

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01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 2: Bill Clinton's not somehow smack in the middle of it.

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01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:53,960
Speaker 2: No matter who you think, everybody's version has Bill Clinton

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01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:54,320
Speaker 2: in it.

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01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:58,920
Speaker 8: Every well, Bill Clinton and former First Lady Hillary Clinton.

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01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:03,840
Speaker 8: They have stepped up their fight against the Republican investigation. Yeah,

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01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:09,880
Speaker 8: so they're claiming the Clintons are to shelter themselves. I

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01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:13,479
Speaker 8: think they're claiming that this has been weaponized. Clinton's have

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01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:18,640
Speaker 8: been subpoenaed back in August by the Republican chairman of

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Speaker 8: the Oversight Fitty Committee, and he's you know that it's

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01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:27,880
Speaker 8: now threatening to begin contempt of Congress proceedings if they

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Speaker 8: fail to appear for questioning.

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Speaker 3: The Clintons do not want to come in for questions.

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01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:38,960
Speaker 3: I bet I would like them to unrelease the glove picture. Yeah,

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01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:40,280
Speaker 3: they can.

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Speaker 2: They just redact the whole thing because yeah, the file.

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Speaker 2: Can you see the photo back of a file.

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01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 3: Of the pump, the pump.

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01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:57,200
Speaker 7: There's a package on it like a desk, and it's

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01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:00,960
Speaker 7: the pea pumps. Just say, the pea pump of a

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01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:08,120
Speaker 7: woman's anatomy, A slurer for it, I guess, and like

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01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 7: cups and like these little chains like almost like very

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01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 7: bdsm which I'm not. I'm not king Shaman, you know

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01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:18,559
Speaker 7: what I mean. I would never, but when you put

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01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:22,800
Speaker 7: in the context of Jeffrey Epstein, I'm absolutely king shaman, right,

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01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:27,040
Speaker 7: I'm more weirded out that he has a framed picture

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01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:29,560
Speaker 7: of Bill Gates.

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01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:30,120
Speaker 3: On his wall.

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01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:33,759
Speaker 2: Oh I know, like why Bill Clinton in the Monica

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01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:40,439
Speaker 2: Lewinsky dress and absolutely, yeah, something weird stuff.

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01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:43,720
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's like very well, seeing the nipple clamps is

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01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:48,640
Speaker 8: much less traumatizing to me than Jeffrey Epstein having a

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01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:52,639
Speaker 8: picture of former President Bill Clinton wearing the Monica Lewinsky dress.

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01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:55,160
Speaker 2: I mean, like, have you guys not seen the movie

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01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:57,759
Speaker 2: Link twice? You guys still have not seen Black twice?

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01:17:57,840 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 8: Right?

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01:17:58,040 --> 01:17:58,639
Speaker 3: That movie?

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01:17:59,040 --> 01:17:59,240
Speaker 6: Yes?

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01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:03,240
Speaker 3: Okay, you think me?

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01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:05,519
Speaker 2: All right, So I got to put this on your

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01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:08,679
Speaker 2: list and anyone listening if you haven't watched it yet.

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01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:09,839
Speaker 3: It's kind of a good movie.

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01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:15,559
Speaker 2: And what is the director's name, the most daughter Zoe

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01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 2: Zoe Kravitz, so beautiful, So she directed it and her

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01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:23,120
Speaker 2: boyfriend of Yesteryear stars in it. He plays sort of

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01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:28,320
Speaker 2: an Epstein type and Channing Tatum exactly. This was like

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01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 2: the last big effort of those twosomes when they were

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01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 2: still dating and in love and based on it's allegedly

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01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:39,360
Speaker 2: based on some stories that she's either personally experienced or

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01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:44,280
Speaker 2: has heard firsthand, and Blink twice is definitely has some

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01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:46,720
Speaker 2: undertones to what we're talking about right now.

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01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 3: A ton of that to my list. We'll stick around.

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01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:51,439
Speaker 3: We've got more to dig into.

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Speaker 2: It's talk back time and we have some fun ones

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01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:55,559
Speaker 2: to get your week off to a good start.

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Speaker 3: Keep it right here at your Crime Tonight. Welcome back

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01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:10,640
Speaker 3: to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio.

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01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:14,240
Speaker 2: We're talking true crime all the time of staff.

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01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:15,759
Speaker 3: I'm here with Courtney and Body.

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01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:18,559
Speaker 2: These groups are making me giggle, so please forgive me.

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01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:21,680
Speaker 2: But we are just giggling our way straight through that

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01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:25,200
Speaker 2: commercial break. So we have some talk back, so hopefully

1446
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:26,519
Speaker 2: light in the mood a little bit.

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01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:28,719
Speaker 3: Let's go to one right now.

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Speaker 14: Everybody, it's just notant to thank you for mentioning about

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01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:37,200
Speaker 14: the Bondai terrorism event that happened on Sunday our time.

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01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:41,040
Speaker 14: It's such an iconic place. I've spent so much time

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01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:46,200
Speaker 14: there over the years, so many innocent people out enjoying

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01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 14: the day and events, and it just really showed how

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01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:52,800
Speaker 14: fragile life can be.

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01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 3: We must enjoy.

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01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:57,480
Speaker 2: It words all abas so true.

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01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:00,160
Speaker 3: You just don't know what's around the bend, right, So

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01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:02,280
Speaker 3: you know whatever it is that you know, we all

1458
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:05,080
Speaker 3: complain about every day. You know, who doesn't you know,

1459
01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:08,360
Speaker 3: the things that the traffic, or the coffees too.

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01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:12,360
Speaker 2: Cold, or or or the million of micro complaints that

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01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:15,200
Speaker 2: we have just by being human. You know, you don't

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01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:18,280
Speaker 2: realize that right around the corner could be something so devastating.

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01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:20,880
Speaker 3: So it's a good little gunt check, it is.

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01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:22,800
Speaker 7: And you know, I hate that the people of Australia

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01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 7: are having to deal, you know, to experience this exactly.

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01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:29,400
Speaker 7: You know, you want everybody, especially your friends. You know,

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01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:32,800
Speaker 7: Austria is our friend, and you know you want your

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01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:37,400
Speaker 7: friends to be healthy, happy and healthy and you know, unbothered. Yeah,

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01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:40,639
Speaker 7: and you know, Courtney, really, when you're telling the story

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01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:45,200
Speaker 7: of what happened and you talked about the Holocaust survivor,

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01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:49,599
Speaker 7: I really kind of gasped when that, you know, because

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01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:52,799
Speaker 7: like here this person and I don't know this person,

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01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:58,719
Speaker 7: but you know they survived Hitler. They survived Hitler.

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01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:03,080
Speaker 2: To be shot down at a beach like it's just

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01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:07,559
Speaker 2: so senseless and just ridiculous, and think about how strong

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01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:08,559
Speaker 2: you have to be to survive.

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01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:10,640
Speaker 3: It's unbelievable.

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01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:15,320
Speaker 8: And the man frame which I'd love to say Alexander Clateman.

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01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:21,320
Speaker 8: So Alexander Klaytman. He and his wife were childhood Holocaust

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01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 8: survivors and Alexander came from to Australia from the Ukraine

1481
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:31,160
Speaker 8: and he died shielding his wife from the moment's bullets.

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01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:36,840
Speaker 8: And in his big life which ended so tragically, but

1483
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:39,679
Speaker 8: in his life that he apparently lived foe so fully.

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01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:45,320
Speaker 8: He left behind his wife, two children, and eleven grandchildren.

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01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:50,160
Speaker 8: Alexander Claytman. One other person I wanted to mention who

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01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:53,840
Speaker 8: lost their life was Eli Schlanger. He was forty one

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01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:57,160
Speaker 8: years old and he was known as the Bondai Rabbi.

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01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:02,280
Speaker 8: He was one of the key organizers Sunday's event. He

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01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:06,760
Speaker 8: was head of a local mission and he.

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01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:08,680
Speaker 3: Was a British born father.

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01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:13,960
Speaker 8: Of five who again was a lead organizer in this

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01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:15,720
Speaker 8: really big, beautiful gathering.

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01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:21,400
Speaker 3: I have never met a cruel rabbi ever. Ever, They're

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01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 3: always so so kind, yeah, and like funny in my experience. Yeah,

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01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:30,519
Speaker 3: I've never met a cool rabbi in my entire life.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Wow, senseless, but it's I mean it's it's terrorism, and

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01:22:35,560 --> 01:22:38,519
Speaker 8: it is senseless and it's terrorism. It's just a sad,

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01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:47,160
Speaker 8: unconscionable waste of life. And it will be changing laws,

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Speaker 8: it seems like in Australia.

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01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:51,879
Speaker 3: So thank you for the talkback and.

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01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:57,120
Speaker 2: To what Australia is doing too, because again, I know

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01:22:57,160 --> 01:23:01,439
Speaker 2: this is a very heated topic here in the US,

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01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:05,600
Speaker 2: but let's pay close attention to the results because.

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01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:07,920
Speaker 7: But my understanding in Australia, they have a completely different

1506
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:12,400
Speaker 7: mindset though than Americans, Like they're supportive of these measures.

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01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:15,040
Speaker 7: Like when they had this buy back thing where you

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01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:18,320
Speaker 7: like basically sold your guns to the government and.

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01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:21,639
Speaker 2: They would buy them back. It was very popular my understanding.

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01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:22,479
Speaker 2: I could be wrong about that.

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01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:23,599
Speaker 3: No, you're totally right.

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01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:26,639
Speaker 8: They melted down. I'm going to get all my facts

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01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 8: and figures, but it was a lot. Yeah, they melted

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01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:29,479
Speaker 8: a lot of guns.

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01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:34,080
Speaker 2: They're very different like mindsets than than most of America

1516
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:36,160
Speaker 2: or the United States. I should say, not in America,

1517
01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:37,960
Speaker 2: but yeah, interesting.

1518
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:42,400
Speaker 3: Afraid of guns. I have I have sex. I Yeah,

1519
01:23:42,439 --> 01:23:42,840
Speaker 3: it's not that.

1520
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:45,559
Speaker 2: I it's not that I'm going to be armed and

1521
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:48,120
Speaker 2: wouldn't be able to protect myself because that's the world

1522
01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:48,600
Speaker 2: we live in.

1523
01:23:49,439 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 3: But at my core, that wouldn't be how I.

1524
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:54,600
Speaker 7: Would build the world, right, No, of course, yeah, it

1525
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:56,400
Speaker 7: wouldn't be how I built the world either. I just

1526
01:23:56,800 --> 01:23:59,280
Speaker 7: I have them because you know, we have to keep

1527
01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:02,679
Speaker 7: safe and you have to. Yeah, I get I don't

1528
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:04,760
Speaker 7: like walk around with them or anything like that, but no,

1529
01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:05,719
Speaker 7: I haven't been my home.

1530
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:07,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet you're a good shot.

1531
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:10,920
Speaker 2: I am honest, I would, but I would not want

1532
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:13,800
Speaker 2: to crawl through your You do.

1533
01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:16,400
Speaker 7: I do because you know you have to, you know,

1534
01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:19,160
Speaker 7: make sure that you can still be safe. And I

1535
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:21,000
Speaker 7: also don't know how to clean my guns, so I

1536
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:23,720
Speaker 7: take him there to do it for me, you know.

1537
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:26,479
Speaker 7: But yeah, I I go all that. Well, not often,

1538
01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:29,000
Speaker 7: not as often as I should, but I go like

1539
01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 7: once or twice a month.

1540
01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:34,080
Speaker 6: I'm afraid of guns, but I have relatives that keep

1541
01:24:34,120 --> 01:24:36,400
Speaker 6: saying you should at least learn how to use one.

1542
01:24:36,439 --> 01:24:38,879
Speaker 3: Should learn how to use one safely.

1543
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:42,559
Speaker 2: To you and I trying to do that jumping if

1544
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:44,519
Speaker 2: you and I had to get the gun out of.

1545
01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:49,519
Speaker 6: That guy, the Caroulet. See, I wouldn't you.

1546
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:52,800
Speaker 2: Would You would have swept the leg for sure, But like,

1547
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:54,320
Speaker 2: I don't know that I would have been smart enough

1548
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:56,000
Speaker 2: to grab the gun and square off that way.

1549
01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:58,960
Speaker 3: That was I don't And then he was getting shot at.

1550
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:02,600
Speaker 6: Oh, and he was standing so strong.

1551
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:07,040
Speaker 7: And Ess, I gotta know more about Jess saving that

1552
01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 7: three year old little bold.

1553
01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:10,760
Speaker 3: That's right, only in Australia.

1554
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:13,719
Speaker 2: Well, we love you Australia, and thank you for listening,

1555
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:16,280
Speaker 2: and we're just terribly sorry that this has been such

1556
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:19,679
Speaker 2: a terrible weekend, just terrible.

1557
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:23,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, terrible. Easier days ahead, hopefully.

1558
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:27,479
Speaker 6: Hopefully, so we we got time for another Let's do it.

1559
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:32,000
Speaker 11: Hi, this is short. I'm calling from Arizona. And you

1560
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:36,880
Speaker 11: guys had asked the questions in regards to you something Jake.

1561
01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:41,760
Speaker 11: He said about all these people showing up for a

1562
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:45,559
Speaker 11: mass murderer, and you guys were postulating all what that

1563
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:48,160
Speaker 11: could potentially mean. And I think that maybe he was

1564
01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:51,479
Speaker 11: talking about the victims the CEO. I think maybe he

1565
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:56,320
Speaker 11: was intimating that key, that's the thought. Thanks, guys.

1566
01:25:56,439 --> 01:26:01,760
Speaker 2: I brilliant, brilliant, very she is brilliant. So again, just

1567
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:03,559
Speaker 2: to play that out in case you couldn't hear that.

1568
01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:05,800
Speaker 2: That sounded a little bit hard to hear, at least

1569
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:09,040
Speaker 2: for me, But I think I got it. When Luigi

1570
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:14,040
Speaker 2: was Luigi MANGIONI was in the McDonald's and being confronted

1571
01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:17,120
Speaker 2: by police and putting, you know, being cuffed in this

1572
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:20,599
Speaker 2: infamous bag search, et cetera. At some point he kind

1573
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:23,000
Speaker 2: of mumbles under his breath, all this for a mass

1574
01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:25,759
Speaker 2: murderer or you all came here for a mass murderer.

1575
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:26,360
Speaker 3: And we were.

1576
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:30,519
Speaker 2: Confused by that because he didn't commit mass murder. He

1577
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:36,560
Speaker 2: committed a single murder of the CEO United Healthcare work allegedly, allegedly,

1578
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:37,600
Speaker 2: allegedly allegedly.

1579
01:26:38,040 --> 01:26:41,440
Speaker 3: However, that totally tracks.

1580
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:46,160
Speaker 8: She's right, Yeah, Luigiman Gionnes mindset would have been referring

1581
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:49,280
Speaker 8: to the actual victim of this crime. I didn't even

1582
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 8: on that, yeah, CEO of Thompson, because that they were

1583
01:26:56,520 --> 01:27:02,680
Speaker 8: referring to him, the CEO as the mass.

1584
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:06,840
Speaker 3: So smart, so clever, she's fai. Yeah, well, thank you.

1585
01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:10,280
Speaker 2: We got to throw some more clues her way.

1586
01:27:10,840 --> 01:27:14,840
Speaker 3: Is this one phone number? That's why I love being

1587
01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:15,360
Speaker 3: on this show.

1588
01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:17,200
Speaker 8: You you know, I get to surround myself by all

1589
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:18,799
Speaker 8: people who are smarter than myself.

1590
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:22,479
Speaker 3: Everyone I'm looking at now and then you know, it

1591
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:25,479
Speaker 3: brings it brings us all up.

1592
01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:31,080
Speaker 2: I was like, there's no room that I'm the smartest

1593
01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:32,479
Speaker 2: in certainly not this one.

1594
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:36,720
Speaker 3: But I love to hear about it. Do we have

1595
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:39,240
Speaker 3: talks about it? Yeah, let's go. I know what, let's

1596
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 3: do you guys. Sorry about the background noise right up front.

1597
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:45,960
Speaker 3: I am a truck driver, so just deal with it.

1598
01:27:46,040 --> 01:27:49,719
Speaker 2: But I'm stressing out because yesterday I received a jury

1599
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:52,320
Speaker 2: summons in the mail for March twenty third or something

1600
01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:55,280
Speaker 2: like that, and I'm already like, oh my god.

1601
01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:56,920
Speaker 11: What if I get seated on a jury and I'm

1602
01:27:56,920 --> 01:27:59,599
Speaker 11: not allowed to listen to True crime tonight?

1603
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:02,439
Speaker 3: Like however long I'm on the jury, Oh my god,

1604
01:28:02,479 --> 01:28:05,280
Speaker 3: I'm going to be I stated. I'm like, I'm not

1605
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:11,479
Speaker 3: the Boston I knew she was from Boston. I was like,

1606
01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:15,000
Speaker 3: what a great voice she Listen.

1607
01:28:15,080 --> 01:28:17,640
Speaker 7: I need to call in like every night because I

1608
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:22,720
Speaker 7: not get enough of that accent. It's so good and

1609
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:24,960
Speaker 7: truck it's very dangerous.

1610
01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:29,320
Speaker 2: Listen, that's very hard work. Are like the blood of

1611
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:35,479
Speaker 2: these to deliver all of our needs.

1612
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:41,160
Speaker 3: I don't think people realize and how difficult.

1613
01:28:41,200 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 4: It is.

1614
01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:44,200
Speaker 2: It's not just like to be how hard could it be?

1615
01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:48,880
Speaker 2: It's very difficult. It's very taxing. It's hard on your body.

1616
01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:51,519
Speaker 2: It's exhausting, and you have to stay awake and be

1617
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:55,519
Speaker 2: safe and those trucks are sometimes massive. And yeah, I

1618
01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:57,200
Speaker 2: think you're gonna have to call in stick to jury

1619
01:28:57,240 --> 01:28:59,000
Speaker 2: duty because we don't want to have you miss the show.

1620
01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:05,840
Speaker 3: And by that, Stephane Duty like said.

1621
01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:10,160
Speaker 7: She could just tell us what jury she's on talk

1622
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:16,040
Speaker 7: about it, but listen, if it's in Boston, we want

1623
01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:16,519
Speaker 7: to cover it.

1624
01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:18,720
Speaker 2: I mean, we totally want to cover it. I love

1625
01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:22,000
Speaker 2: would you live in Boston? I would live in Boston

1626
01:29:23,200 --> 01:29:25,120
Speaker 2: percent Yeah, I would live in.

1627
01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:29,280
Speaker 6: The US there. It seems like that first of U's

1628
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:31,280
Speaker 6: a great food scene, the people are so good.

1629
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:34,320
Speaker 3: I'm irish we would. Yeah, Courtney, you would love it

1630
01:29:34,360 --> 01:29:36,200
Speaker 3: in Boston, don't you think? No?

1631
01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:40,840
Speaker 8: And I say that, I say I would not love

1632
01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:44,240
Speaker 8: to live there. And I say that having been there enough.

1633
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:47,160
Speaker 8: I've spent a lot of time to know it's just

1634
01:29:47,200 --> 01:29:49,439
Speaker 8: not my city. I love to go there. I love

1635
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:52,240
Speaker 8: the people. I go there every.

1636
01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:56,200
Speaker 3: Year just about to see you know, so what what? What?

1637
01:29:56,200 --> 01:29:59,280
Speaker 3: What about it? Is it not your city? The cold weather.

1638
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:03,599
Speaker 2: Maybe it's not that against the filings basement, that Filing's

1639
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:04,599
Speaker 2: basement is so good.

1640
01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:09,080
Speaker 8: Oh no, it's it's just it's an intangible I don't know.

1641
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:13,280
Speaker 8: I just didn't feel like an exhale at home, like

1642
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:16,880
Speaker 8: oh okay, And even again, I have been there over many,

1643
01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:20,240
Speaker 8: many many years, it's just not my city to live in.

1644
01:30:20,680 --> 01:30:22,519
Speaker 3: And when I go to Boston, I feel like it's

1645
01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:27,960
Speaker 3: like a glove. It's like a glow of a Boston accent.

1646
01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:29,559
Speaker 3: I'm like, we're the same.

1647
01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:31,680
Speaker 2: I like, I feel like I have to put my

1648
01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:33,960
Speaker 2: fingers at my eyes and then back at you, kind

1649
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:35,559
Speaker 2: of like pulp fiction, because I'm.

1650
01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:38,639
Speaker 6: Like, oh, I hear you Boston Long Island accents. Think

1651
01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:39,439
Speaker 6: they're so similar.

1652
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:44,440
Speaker 3: There's so similar. Then too, they're different, but.

1653
01:30:45,400 --> 01:30:46,160
Speaker 6: There's something there.

1654
01:30:46,720 --> 01:30:49,599
Speaker 2: I love when a town and I feel like Boston

1655
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:51,439
Speaker 2: is this way too. What you got something to say

1656
01:30:51,439 --> 01:30:52,040
Speaker 2: about my town?

1657
01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:56,680
Speaker 3: I love that. What you got some Courtney, i'ms wrong?

1658
01:30:56,720 --> 01:30:59,080
Speaker 3: What do you got to say about my town? Yeah?

1659
01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:04,519
Speaker 8: I said some of the literal most fun nights of

1660
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:07,080
Speaker 8: my life in Boston, But.

1661
01:31:07,240 --> 01:31:08,679
Speaker 3: I think I would die in the cold.

1662
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:12,400
Speaker 6: Unfortunately, there's yeah, like the winters in Boston. I don't

1663
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:12,760
Speaker 6: think I can.

1664
01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:14,720
Speaker 7: I grew up in Detroit, but I left and I

1665
01:31:14,760 --> 01:31:17,280
Speaker 7: was like ten or eleven, so like, I'm just not

1666
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:19,280
Speaker 7: used to that. We like when I go home to Detroit.

1667
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:21,599
Speaker 7: Last time I was there. In fact, actually I went

1668
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:25,120
Speaker 7: to go see Red Wings game. I'm walking down the

1669
01:31:25,160 --> 01:31:30,000
Speaker 7: street in beautifully renovated downtown Detroit. By the way, it's

1670
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:33,879
Speaker 7: it's so beautiful now, it's it's incredible. Anyway, I digress.

1671
01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:37,160
Speaker 7: I slipped because I wasn't wearing I was wearing like

1672
01:31:37,200 --> 01:31:40,479
Speaker 7: stupid shoes, and I'm on the ice and I slipped

1673
01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:44,200
Speaker 7: and I landed on my face. I got a huge

1674
01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:47,080
Speaker 7: black eye, so I went to bed. I should have

1675
01:31:47,080 --> 01:31:49,000
Speaker 7: gone to the hospital, because you should never go to

1676
01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:51,920
Speaker 7: sleep after you know, you hit your head. And we

1677
01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:54,439
Speaker 7: were I was traveling with my friend and we were

1678
01:31:54,439 --> 01:31:57,200
Speaker 7: on the way back in the airplane and the stewardess

1679
01:31:57,240 --> 01:31:59,200
Speaker 7: was looking at me, and I was like, because I

1680
01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:00,719
Speaker 7: was with a guy, he's a friend of mine.

1681
01:32:01,160 --> 01:32:04,680
Speaker 3: And I was like, he hit me. Oh no, you

1682
01:32:04,720 --> 01:32:11,080
Speaker 3: did not get She's probably like a manstory reporder. I mean,

1683
01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:13,280
Speaker 3: I started laughing. I told her, I'm just kidding. I fell,

1684
01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:16,240
Speaker 3: I mean, I busted my butt. I fell.

1685
01:32:16,320 --> 01:32:17,720
Speaker 7: But so I don't know if I can handle living

1686
01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:19,200
Speaker 7: in the snow again because I'm so klutzy.

1687
01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:22,160
Speaker 3: It's pretty cold here in Nashville right now too. It's

1688
01:32:22,240 --> 01:32:22,960
Speaker 3: so cold.

1689
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:27,240
Speaker 2: I'm not complaining, but it's really this is your first cold. Yeah,

1690
01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:30,719
Speaker 2: I've been living your climate very long time.

1691
01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:32,400
Speaker 6: But it seems to thin when you move.

1692
01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:35,200
Speaker 3: It does. I got the heating blanket.

1693
01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:36,479
Speaker 6: Though, Oh did you get it?

1694
01:32:36,760 --> 01:32:39,240
Speaker 2: And it totally does the tree, Oh my god, like

1695
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:41,599
Speaker 2: it was perfect timing. I'm like wrapped like a sausage

1696
01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:44,600
Speaker 2: in my little heating blanket under my ten blankets with

1697
01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:45,200
Speaker 2: the heat on.

1698
01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:47,080
Speaker 3: I don't know what I have moons on.

1699
01:32:48,479 --> 01:32:52,000
Speaker 2: There's been zero snow, but it was like two degrees

1700
01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:52,759
Speaker 2: this morning.

1701
01:32:54,200 --> 01:32:59,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, freezing, freezing freezing. No, that's literally freezing thirty

1702
01:32:59,439 --> 01:33:00,920
Speaker 3: three degrees freezing.

1703
01:33:01,240 --> 01:33:03,519
Speaker 2: Two and there's no rain, so it was sunny, which

1704
01:33:03,560 --> 01:33:05,599
Speaker 2: is lovely, but you know when you add the rain,

1705
01:33:06,080 --> 01:33:08,400
Speaker 2: and that can happen in Boston too. But you know,

1706
01:33:08,439 --> 01:33:10,599
Speaker 2: what I think about Boston is similar to here, if

1707
01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:13,320
Speaker 2: you had slipped and hit your head. I feel like

1708
01:33:13,320 --> 01:33:15,320
Speaker 2: a Bostonian would be like whoa, whoa, how can I

1709
01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:18,200
Speaker 2: help and like carry you to the hospital. And that

1710
01:33:18,240 --> 01:33:20,120
Speaker 2: would happen in Nashville too, that would happen in New

1711
01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:23,519
Speaker 2: York City also, I believe definitely Nashville, they would like

1712
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:26,040
Speaker 2: to kick you up, throw you off over their shoulder,

1713
01:33:26,280 --> 01:33:28,600
Speaker 2: and make sure you got to where you needed to

1714
01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:32,880
Speaker 2: be a young lady. So I literally, on my face,

1715
01:33:32,920 --> 01:33:34,200
Speaker 2: I got to send you guys the picture of the

1716
01:33:34,200 --> 01:33:34,559
Speaker 2: black guy.

1717
01:33:34,600 --> 01:33:34,640
Speaker 1: It.

1718
01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:38,000
Speaker 3: I mean, it looked really cool for like a week

1719
01:33:38,040 --> 01:33:40,680
Speaker 3: and a half, but then it turned like yellow grossy

1720
01:33:42,360 --> 01:33:44,880
Speaker 3: my forefront. Bill. If you're listening, I'm so sorry I

1721
01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:45,400
Speaker 3: did that to you.

1722
01:33:46,200 --> 01:33:50,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're going to get me thrown in jail.

1723
01:33:51,200 --> 01:33:52,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, as a.

1724
01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:55,360
Speaker 2: Matter of fact, So tomorrow we're going to keep covering

1725
01:33:55,400 --> 01:33:57,280
Speaker 2: some of this. I mean, I feel like the Rob

1726
01:33:57,320 --> 01:33:59,960
Speaker 2: Reiner and Michelle Reiner story is still going to continue

1727
01:34:00,360 --> 01:34:01,240
Speaker 2: well into tomorrow.

1728
01:34:01,280 --> 01:34:02,120
Speaker 3: We'll have some more.

1729
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:05,599
Speaker 2: Details, particularly because I think Nick will be in the

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Speaker 2: courtroom tomorrow and likely officially officially charged with first degree murder.

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Speaker 8: Right, and I think there is some renewed movement in

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Speaker 8: John Bennet Ramsey.

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Speaker 6: Yeah that tomorrow, We're going to.

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Speaker 3: Do that tomorrow exactly.

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Speaker 2: Okay, right, there's big information and we we have not

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Speaker 2: been talking about the piked In massacre, the Pike County murders,

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Speaker 2: but there's some developments in that one too, deserves a

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Speaker 2: proper unpacked, if not tomorrow, very soon.

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Speaker 3: Listen, great night, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: For the beautiful show. Listen, everybody, be kind, stay safe.

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Speaker 3: We're crazy for you.