WEBVTT - Malcolm Jenkins: Renaissance Man 0:00:03.880 --> 0:00:07.120 Thank y'all for tuning in to the NFL Player's Second 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:11.200 Acts podcast. I'm one of the hosts, Peanut Tillman, and 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:15.319 as always, I got my homeboy with me. First office dude. 0:00:15.640 --> 0:00:17.960 He's actually younger than me, but he looks older than 0:00:18.720 --> 0:00:25.440 my guy, my homie Roman, second term Barack Obama Harper. 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:28.960 You know what, Thank you Peanut for that great introduction. 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:32.479 The best thing about today's guest is that I know 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:34.839 I look old because of my gray hair and everything 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:38.000 like that, but this brother looks older than me. I'm 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:47.040 telling you, dogs, you look Isaac Hayes old so roma 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:51.120 you can't get down with brother? Yeah, I don't know. 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:53.840 First of all, here we go. Let me introduce you first, 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:55.560 Let me give me a couple of your accolades. Let 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:58.040 me let me give you your flowers, real red office resume, 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:00.240 Yeah yeah, yeah, Here we go. Here we go. So 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:04.280 my boy, first round draft pick to the Northern Saints 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:09.240 in two thousand and nine, first dB taken what was 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:16.160 it fifteen overall, fourteenth overall from the Ohio State University. 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:22.280 My boy, my dog Omega, sci Fire's Finest. Malcolm Jenkins, 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:26.480 thirteen year NFL VET, two times Super Bowl champion. He 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:29.759 won Super Bowl forty four with none better than myself 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:32.240 and then a host of other great Saints players won 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:35.759 Super Bowl fifty two with the Eagles in two eighteen. 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:39.080 He is the co founder of the Players Coalition with 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:43.600 the NFL. He's a businessman, he's a deboneer. This guy 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:48.559 does it all. He's a philanthropist, a Harvard Fellow, an activist, 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:51.960 and so on and so forth. I can keep going to. 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:53.800 All I do is learn from this guy every time 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:56.680 I see each other. And now that he's retired, we're 0:01:56.720 --> 0:01:58.360 actually a lot cool. We got so much more in 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:00.880 common now. Malcolm Jenkins walked through the podcast. Bro, I 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:03.640 appreciate you guys having me big Jack. What's going on? Balls? 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:06.080 You look like you at your offices right now? Man? 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:09.240 Where you at? No, I'm actually at Parkway Parkway Northwest 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:12.840 High School in Philadelphia. I just got done um talking 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:16.160 to him. We just launched this financial literacy program here 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:19.920 through my foundation. So uh, y'all are catching me in transition. Man, 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:24.000 I'm always always busy. See this the school bell right there? 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:30.960 That was perfect? Are you having lunch up there? You know? 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:34.280 Everybody know the cafeteria lady? All we got is mash 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:39.440 potatoes and comb sonna. I used to take some. My 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:42.720 parents just getting me like uh, I was, I was 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:44.680 balling to I think they gave me like four dollars 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:48.399 for lunch and I would spend three three dollars, I'll 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:50.960 get cookies and the other I guess some French fries. 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:52.760 That was. That was all I ate in high school. 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:56.359 Three cookies fries. And is it a private school or 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:59.360 public school? Because public school probably a little bit public 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:06.040 school school early like from pre k to second grade, 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:08.400 it was there's an all black was an all black 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:13.320 private school called Chad School in Newark, New Jersey. Like 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:18.280 imagine Wakanda University. Like that's what it was. That's what 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:21.239 it was. And it was like it was awesome to 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:24.400 talk to our we wouldn't say like miss or missus. 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:29.239 It'd be brother Johnson or a sister, sister Penny. That's 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:34.440 what they was, being taught black national anthem every morning. Yeah, 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:36.240 it was awesome. That was the only private school I've 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:39.880 been to. Everything else is public. So you just now 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:42.240 you just came from somewhere, right, you just I know, 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:44.360 you just came from a vacation, right, and you were 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:47.480 in Europe, travel a couple of plays. Yeah, yeah, whatevlication. 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:49.920 I was just at the One of the things I've 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:51.600 been trying to do to stay away from the game 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:54.520 is like find some other hobbies. And art is something 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:56.600 I've always been around, but like trying to take it 0:03:56.840 --> 0:03:59.880 more serious about collecting. And so I was out in 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:03.360 London at Freeze the art fests out there. That was 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:06.520 my first time going to That was amazing. They call 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:09.080 the train and went to paris Um to check out 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:12.360 another artist that I really love. One of my favorite artists' 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:17.919 name is Tabar Stratching out of the Bahamas. Phenomenal artists 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:21.520 doing some great stuff. He had this this sculpture of 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:25.640 Malcolm X and Betty Shabaz. Obviously you know that that 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:28.080 struggle chord with me. But it's just when I'm in 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:31.560 the way of Michelangelo, it's awesome. You've I've been to 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:33.800 your place in New Orleans, your new place, and so 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:37.200 you have art all over the things, and I know, like, 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:40.040 how has art become your passion? I want to kind 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:41.520 of go into that. Me and you talk about these 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:43.560 things all the time. You know, you're always trying to, 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:46.040 you know, keep your mind going and things like that. 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:47.800 But how is art really just taken off in your 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:50.920 own Um well, I think I like anything that has 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:54.279 like to do with storytelling. Um. And and you know, 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:55.880 like I said, I grew up around art, so my 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:59.320 aunts and artists. So I've I saw paintings on the walls, 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:02.760 like as I can remember my earliest memories, I saw, 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:06.120 you know, these these paintings. I remember you ever saw 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:11.640 the Sugar Shack Eddie Barnes. It's the it's the um 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:17.200 Marvin Gaye album cover. Uh oh yeah, I saw that picture, 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:19.640 that painting on my wall from as early as I 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:21.880 can remember. My aunt did a cover of it. I 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:24.400 thought it was heard painting for the longest until I 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:27.360 got older and learned about who Ernie Barnes was a 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:30.400 former NFL player that turned artists and is now one 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:33.640 of the like goats of you know, black artistry. But 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:35.880 it's just the idea of being able to to think 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:38.880 about something and articulate it and express it in a way, 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:41.279 um that might be nuanced, you know. So we sit 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:45.040 here and we were exposed only to sports, uh kind 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:48.000 of outlets where if we want to talk about these 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:52.400 other things, we're at the mercy of like the writer 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:56.800 or the journalist who's you know, has an agenda, but 0:05:56.960 --> 0:06:00.960 being able to express yourself in ways that always with words. 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:06.560 So whether it's your fashion, whether it's film, music, art, like, 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:09.719 all of those things to me are just storytelling. And 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:11.320 when I get to sit with an artist and they 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:15.159 break down why they use this material, you know, like 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:17.440 we'll say, oh, this is trash, and it's like exactly, 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:21.039 they use trash specifically to tell this narrative, like and 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:23.440 all of those things to me, once you understand it, 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:27.760 like change how you value it, and all of a 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:30.560 sudden you're attached to these pieces because they speak to 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:32.720 a narrative. It's like listening to a good song when 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:36.400 a writer says something that like he articulates the feelings 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:38.279 that you had, but you can never like put it 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:40.880 like that. It's something with art once you learn how 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:43.240 they're doing it, like I could never make that or 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:45.480 do that in that way, and it's so interesting and 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:48.080 they took that that narrative and perspective on whether it 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:50.960 be sculpture or abstract paintings, all of that. Now, do 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:53.719 you do any artwork yourself though, being that you are 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:56.440 a fan of it, can you can you draw, Can 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:59.600 you sculp? Can you I know I can't paint, can't 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:03.400 draw hands, stuff. But what I have started to figure 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:05.040 out is like, yeah, like all right, well what are 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:07.159 and this is what I think is important, Like for 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:09.320 every black man, this is one thing that we don't do, 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:13.320 is we need like some creative outlet, like in general. 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:15.440 And so one of the things I started to do, 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:19.000 um was photography. Like I just picked up a camera, 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:23.000 showed myself how to do it, and so you know, 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:25.400 I'll go out, I'll take pictures, edit them. Taught myself 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:26.800 how to do it, and I have like a photo 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:29.560 all all of them like my own stuff. And I'm 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:31.520 working on some things you know here there, but you 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:33.320 got to learn kind of the basics. And I'm like, 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:35.560 I'm not gonna put nothing out there or it might 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:37.880 just be only for me to see. It's just my 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:40.840 own little private thing. But yeah, I think I am 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:43.160 looking for ways to Like the more you get around it, 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:45.440 you start to learn how they do it. Yeah, you 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:47.040 play around with it. Dad were a little bit, but 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:49.400 I'm not gonna I'm no artists, But what's what's one 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:52.360 of the best pieces you've taken? M I gotta I 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:54.080 can send it to you too. I got this picture. 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:57.960 I was in Morocco and I went through the markets 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:01.200 in Madrid and you go into it. This is guys 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:03.840 the snake charmers and stuff. This guy takes his snake 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:06.440 and he's like like draping it like over his face 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:08.720 and he's like kissing it. I took a picture of it, 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:12.480 like real close, like edit up. It's like phenomenal, Like 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:14.880 it's like my favorite picture that I'm taking. I was like, Okay. 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:17.440 Everybody who comes and sees it, they're like like, oh, 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:19.560 who took that? And I'm like, yeah, I did that. 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:24.320 Yeah I'd like to. I like, I like to check 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:26.160 that piece out and send it to Roma or whatever. 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:28.880 I got you dogs. So now that you're back in 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:32.000 the States, you went on vacation, you're enjoying yourself. You're 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:34.360 going all over. I know most of these places. But 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:36.880 so what you've been up to? Doc? I mean, I know, 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:38.959 I know the girls back in school, So what you 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:42.280 up to? Half of my time, it's just being dad. 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:45.679 Like I'm at home, I'm in the school drop off lines, 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:47.679 I'm in the pickup lines. So tell them how you 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:49.880 cooking it up? Too? Because I've been over there, use 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:52.680 cooking dinner dog. Oh yeah, it's a full time job. 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:55.560 Like you know, I'm a single dad with no nanny, 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:57.959 so I got two girls. I'm like, We're up at 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:02.800 in the morning, breakfast, clothes, to school. I get my 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:05.160 little work in, you know, work out, do whatever I 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:08.520 gotta do between the then it's pick up and it's 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:10.760 like clockwork, you know, you pick them up. Here's a 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:15.319 snack change, l get to soccer practice, get home homework. 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:18.480 While they doing homework, I'm cooking dinner, gig dinner. We 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:21.240 got about thirty minutes to chill, watch something and then 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:24.600 they sleep and hold are your kids? They are eight 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:28.200 in a four eight and four. Yeah. So that's that's 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:30.120 the majority of my life, about half of the month 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:32.880 and then the other half of the month, um um, 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:35.360 either doing some of the things that I enjoyed. So 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:37.640 it's like the arts uff or it's bouncing around and 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:40.280 a couple of smaller gigs like just talking about the 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:44.560 game of all little podcast stuff here there. Um but yeah, 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:48.880 working on more creative stuff than anything else, to be honest. 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:52.680 So after eight months of retirement, bro, you're watching football? 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:58.199 Do you miss it? Not? At all I had one. 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:02.120 I went to my first game finally, Saints versus Raiders, 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:06.440 and in pre game, I was like, okay, yeah, it's 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:08.240 the pre game, that's really it. Though, I was like 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:11.120 I could I could almost feel my pads on my body. 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:12.880 I was like, yeah, yeah, like yeah, I could play, 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:14.760 I can play right now. But after that, like now, 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:18.760 I really I really have not had any like second 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:21.000 guesses or thoughts are like playing the game. I actually 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:23.320 enjoyed this vantage point of being a fan and like 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:26.480 and having no control over what's happening, yea make it 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:29.240 like the anxiety of that, like the tension in the moments, 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:32.720 I'm like, oh, this is amazing. You know what's real funny, 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:35.640 mount was that I didn't know how hard it was 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:38.319 being a fan, Like like you just mentioned about the anxiety, 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:41.839 Like when you have no control, it's way worse, Like 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:46.040 it's way horrible being just on the field, like you 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:48.360 only control, You're only just concerned with your job. You're like, bro, 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:50.280 I'm just trying to I don't have time to be 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:53.559 worried about none of that. I have so much. I'm 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:56.960 such a fair weather person as a fan, Like I'm 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:59.640 in the first quarter, like Yo, they down there down fourteen. 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:03.400 It's with Yeah, this game is As a player, I 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:05.439 was the guy that was always like man, we always 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:10.560 come back like this is super super positive. As a fan, 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:13.760 I'm like this is all right. So when did you 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:17.000 know it was time to retire? Because you we had 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:19.640 talked about it, but I didn't know you was gonna 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:21.120 pull the trigger. And when you did, it was just 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:24.680 like no hesitation, almost like your tweet game. Yeah, I 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:28.280 mean it got easy. Yo, I'm be honest, it just 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:31.360 got easy. And it's like, um, it's taking up too 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:33.199 much time. It's like a lot going on, like from 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:35.640 family life, Like yo, you sacrifice a lot of it, 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:37.760 Like I want to spend more time with my family, 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:40.520 want to spend more time doing all these things. But 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:43.640 like in football has taught me so much, like when 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:47.680 you learn, like literally to be a professional in the game, 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:50.840 like the nuances of the game, Like it takes a 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:53.360 certain skill level to get there, and then you start 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:56.400 to realize that like if I applied this these same 0:11:56.640 --> 0:12:01.400 tools anything else in life, YEA to succeed, Like it's 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:03.360 we know how to we know how to build teams, 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:07.599 we know process, we know discipline, like we understand evaluation. 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:09.080 We know how to deal with failure, how to come 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:11.680 back from failure, how to stay focused and success like 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:13.520 these are all things that people in the real world 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:18.560 struggle with. CEOs and people who build businesses don't have 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:21.080 these tools. And we've been doing this since me personally, 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:24.120 since I was seven, and so it almost started to 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:27.240 feel like like football is what I love, but it's 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:30.360 not what I'm built to do. Everything that I'm built 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:32.640 to do is like pulling on me, like it's calling me. 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:35.679 And the game of football really just got easy. Bro. 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:37.520 Remember you told me this when I was young and 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:39.520 I was trying to learn how to play strong and safety. 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:41.320 I'm like, man, how do you know how how do 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:43.280 you read so fast if it's running past? And he 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:45.120 was like, I'm like, what are you looking at? He 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:48.000 was like, I mean it's a feel like it just 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:52.040 it just sound different, and I'm like what. But we 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:53.640 were talking about like man, you just feel the game 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:56.120 out a while and it's like okay. And then probably 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:58.800 two three years later, like I've reached that point where 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:01.640 like I would the game and it was like oh 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:03.839 and I kind of knew it was never like the 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:06.600 last two years I played. I was not nervous at 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:09.959 all for any game, and it was like, Okay, it's 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:12.880 probably time I've done everything I needed to do. I 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:16.400 can still play. I love competing, but it's like I'm 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:18.719 I'm cheating people. You know me, Roman, I'm an all 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:22.360 in type of person, thousand percent like all in if 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:24.040 you got me here, and so if I can't be 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:26.520 like that, it's like, then it's probably time for me 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:29.719 to move to something else. I was probably smart. It's 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:33.920 funny that you say the whole the nervous and I 0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:36.200 think one of the unique things though about the way 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:39.000 you retired is you did it on your term like 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:42.839 you did it. Most people don't retire when they're ready. 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:47.000 It's either they didn't get picked up or they got 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:49.559 injured and that was it. I was kind of the 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:51.600 the guy that got injured because I still wanted to play. 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:54.240 But after I told my ACL in Carolina my last year, 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:56.800 I was like, man, I'm going on like thirty four 0:13:57.000 --> 0:14:00.120 thirty five. I just told my ACL, I think I'm 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:02.520 gonna have to call it a day because no one's 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:06.000 trying to pick up an old guy. And you also 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:09.840 said something, um, how Rome when you were younger. Rome 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:13.320 really took you under his wing and he told you 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:15.720 and you know, gave you some some some great advice 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:19.560 what his room taught you that you're kind of using 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:24.359 today right now. Roman taught me a lot in leadership. 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:27.280 That's crazy to say because Malcolm was the captain, Like 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:31.360 I like, I was never that's crazy to me to 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:33.200 hear that, But I was always like I don't need 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:35.440 all that stuff. Go ahead and I'm sorry, um, and 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:38.800 not leadership in like like I'm stand in front of 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:42.880 the entire room, but like man to man leadership, Yeah, 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:46.320 you got that old man wisdom like I've seen, like, Okay, 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:50.160 when Tracy Porter is, you know, our main corner, he's 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:53.040 our guy, and then he's just late one too many times. 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:55.800 So where like like at first it's like we don't 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:57.880 care what the coaches, can't care what they want. But 0:14:57.880 --> 0:14:59.480 now it's like, oh you do something. Now it's like 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:01.760 a player on meet and then you you're you're too late. 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:04.920 Like instead of being a thing where most of us 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:07.160 know how to call people out in a big room, 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:09.360 you do that because you got back up. You got 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:13.560 other people to like to jump on as well. But 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:16.200 like I'm just watching and he'll hang back and like, hey, Tracy, 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:18.680 let me stay here, and then to have a man 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:20.840 and man conversation about like oh no, like we need 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:23.400 more out of you. And and Roman is not the captain. 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:25.400 He's not like the dude with the sea on his chest. 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:27.760 He's not the and it's like, oh, the ability to 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:30.800 meet people like what they are, understanding who's who? And 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:34.840 then uh. And then when I got to Philadelphia, Um, 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:37.120 like I was like that guy, and I started to 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:38.880 realize a lot of the stuff that Roman used to 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:42.920 say to me. Um, I had to say to Rodney McLeod. 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:45.680 He was a young dude just like me, came through 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:50.200 Greg Williams defense, so super cerebral, like we spoke the 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:53.280 same language, but he thought he knew everything. And we 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:56.000 want to question the coach on everything, like you're not perfect, 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:58.400 You're gonna ask the coach every single question. And I 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:01.280 remember Roman used to tell me it's like, bro coach. 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:03.720 And then Crime Dog was our dB coach my last 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:06.360 year in New Orleans, and they said, Bro, you're clearly 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:10.320 smarter than everybody. That's fine, but like for this meeting 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:13.840 to go, like, you can't disrupt the meeting, like you 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:15.680 want to do this on your own time. Go upstairs 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:18.600 with them early, like on Tuesday, and get all of 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:20.320 that out before we get to the meeting on Wednesday, 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:23.280 because the other people are not learning, Like the guys 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:26.120 who don't know what you know aren't learning because you 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:30.280 like it's causing confusion. And I'm like, okay, fine, like 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:33.120 finally shut up, and it's like, okay, learn how to 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:34.840 do it in a different way. And when I got 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:37.920 to Philly, I was able to talk to Rodney about 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:39.480 those things because I had been through it, and I 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:41.920 just bust out laughing. Nney said all the same things 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:44.600 that I was saying, and it's like, Okay, I'm prepared 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:47.400 for this. It's only how growth changes you though, you 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:49.560 know what I'm saying. How would prepare? Rome was the 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:53.080 same way in Philly or excuse him now Philly in Carolina, 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:55.640 but Rome would do that with You did that with Banet, 0:16:56.440 --> 0:17:01.200 Trey u Jo, Josh Norman like he was. I think 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:05.000 Rome was. Again, were you a captain in Carolina? Yeah, 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:08.399 wasn't the captain in Carolina, but he was the I 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:10.320 guess because you had all that great They just kind 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:13.359 of looked just like you gotta be gotta just like yo, 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:16.280 he's he's he's like that old the old guy off 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:18.520 for the show Kung Fu. You know, like they just 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:21.160 always would flock to Rome for some of that old 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:23.399 school advice, and it was just like yeah, and they 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:29.680 used to call him up too, hey uh uh o, 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:33.479 lou let me yeah, let that have we gave him 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:35.639 Roman some flowers, let me like, let me let me 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:38.040 put some parameters back on this now. This is that 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:40.240 was the one example that I had. I was like, 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:42.880 Roman was also the reason why I didn't get along 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:45.200 with a lot of coaches because he didn't walked into 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:47.400 the room. I'm like it was I'm a young guy, 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:50.399 I'm a rookie. Probably I hope you gonna tell me this. 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:52.159 I hope you told this story. This is like the 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:56.919 best one ever. Yeah, play something like that. And he's like, uh, 0:17:57.119 --> 0:18:00.159 four year player, and you know, coaches and nitpicking on 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:04.080 like little things. We're undefeated in my rookie year. We're 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:06.359 like ten and oh and the coaches are still trying 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:08.960 to like, you didn't set the edge right here like 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:10.919 it's supposed to on the numbers. You set it out here. 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:13.439 It's like, bro, they're giving him they gave him a 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:15.560 bad grade, like he had all he balled out and 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:19.040 got like a bad grade. So now romans mad. And 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:22.480 then uh, Dennis Allen, the head coach now the Saints, 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:24.560 said he was a dB coach and he said something 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:28.760 like slick and Roman was just like, man, y'all, just 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:32.159 I'm just saying, y'all, hear nitpicking. He's like nitpicking. He's like, 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:35.159 he's like you said all the time, this is a 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:40.040 this game is played by players, coaches, just coach, I 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:43.080 said on at the back of the room, like what 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:45.520 you're gonna say. Coach didn't say nothing else after that, 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:47.960 but it was like he was also that guy. You 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:51.440 gotta he played call of duty all day. I was like, God, 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:53.760 this is this is Roman Harper. Great hair does not 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:55.920 mean wisdom. They just assumed that when he got the 0:18:55.960 --> 0:19:00.240 Carolina well he definitely he definitely had it though, because 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:02.040 I'm not gonna like he used to put the old schools. 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:04.200 You and Kurt I would meet y'all in the morning 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:06.560 and that's how we watch film. You know what I'm saying, 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:09.879 it's true professional and it sounds like I think one 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:14.120 of the biggest jumps that rookies don't have is learning 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:17.680 how to be a professional when they go from college 0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:20.920 to the NFL. And it always takes, for the most part, 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:24.520 an older guy, a veteran to give the younger guys 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:26.880 some tips, some advice on how to watch film, how 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:28.879 to practice, how to eat, how to take care of 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:32.520 your body treatments, so on and so forth. Malcolm, what 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:35.960 would what would your advice be to NFL players and 0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:41.360 or athletes in general? Just about being a professional. I mean, 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:43.320 you know, every time you come into this game, you 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:45.240 want to play it as long as you can, right, 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:48.520 And there's certain things that like will help you last 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:50.320 in the game and have nothing to do with football. 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:54.560 Professionalism is one of them. Like the ability, Like they 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:57.320 tell you all the time, accountability and availability are like 0:19:57.400 --> 0:20:01.280 two the major things when it comes to teams evaluating players. 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:03.399 You can be as talented as you want, but if 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:06.000 I can't hold you accountable or I don't think that 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:10.280 you can just do your job and you're not healthy, 0:20:10.400 --> 0:20:12.960 then no matter what your talent is, you can't I 0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:18.000 can't use you. UM. And so it's really just about um. 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:22.399 Coaches are always evaluating you. Like it's not just on 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:24.920 the field, it's how you walk around the building. It's 0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:28.080