1 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: Thank y'all for tuning in to the NFL Player's Second 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: Acts podcast. I'm one of the hosts, Peanut Tillman, and 3 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:15,319 Speaker 1: as always, I got my homeboy with me. First office dude. 4 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: He's actually younger than me, but he looks older than 5 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: my guy, my homie Roman, second term Barack Obama Harper. 6 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: You know what, Thank you Peanut for that great introduction. 7 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: The best thing about today's guest is that I know 8 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: I look old because of my gray hair and everything 9 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: like that, but this brother looks older than me. I'm 10 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: telling you, dogs, you look Isaac Hayes old so roma 11 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: you can't get down with brother? Yeah, I don't know. 12 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: First of all, here we go. Let me introduce you first, 13 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: Let me give me a couple of your accolades. Let 14 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: me let me give you your flowers, real red office resume, 15 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, Here we go. Here we go. So 16 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: my boy, first round draft pick to the Northern Saints 17 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine, first dB taken what was 18 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: it fifteen overall, fourteenth overall from the Ohio State University. 19 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: My boy, my dog Omega, sci Fire's Finest. Malcolm Jenkins, 20 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: thirteen year NFL VET, two times Super Bowl champion. He 21 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,759 Speaker 1: won Super Bowl forty four with none better than myself 22 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: and then a host of other great Saints players won 23 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 1: Super Bowl fifty two with the Eagles in two eighteen. 24 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: He is the co founder of the Players Coalition with 25 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: the NFL. He's a businessman, he's a deboneer. This guy 26 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:48,559 Speaker 1: does it all. He's a philanthropist, a Harvard Fellow, an activist, 27 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: and so on and so forth. I can keep going to. 28 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: All I do is learn from this guy every time 29 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: I see each other. And now that he's retired, we're 30 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: actually a lot cool. We got so much more in 31 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: common now. Malcolm Jenkins walked through the podcast. Bro, I 32 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: appreciate you guys having me big Jack. What's going on? Balls? 33 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: You look like you at your offices right now? Man? 34 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: Where you at? No, I'm actually at Parkway Parkway Northwest 35 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: High School in Philadelphia. I just got done um talking 36 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: to him. We just launched this financial literacy program here 37 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: through my foundation. So uh, y'all are catching me in transition. Man, 38 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: I'm always always busy. See this the school bell right there? 39 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: That was perfect? Are you having lunch up there? You know? 40 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: Everybody know the cafeteria lady? All we got is mash 41 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: potatoes and comb sonna. I used to take some. My 42 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: parents just getting me like uh, I was, I was 43 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: balling to I think they gave me like four dollars 44 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,399 Speaker 1: for lunch and I would spend three three dollars, I'll 45 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: get cookies and the other I guess some French fries. 46 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: That was. That was all I ate in high school. 47 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 1: Three cookies fries. And is it a private school or 48 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: public school? Because public school probably a little bit public 49 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: school school early like from pre k to second grade, 50 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: it was there's an all black was an all black 51 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: private school called Chad School in Newark, New Jersey. Like 52 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: imagine Wakanda University. Like that's what it was. That's what 53 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,239 Speaker 1: it was. And it was like it was awesome to 54 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: talk to our we wouldn't say like miss or missus. 55 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:29,239 Speaker 1: It'd be brother Johnson or a sister, sister Penny. That's 56 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: what they was, being taught black national anthem every morning. Yeah, 57 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: it was awesome. That was the only private school I've 58 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: been to. Everything else is public. So you just now 59 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: you just came from somewhere, right, you just I know, 60 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: you just came from a vacation, right, and you were 61 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: in Europe, travel a couple of plays. Yeah, yeah, whatevlication. 62 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: I was just at the One of the things I've 63 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: been trying to do to stay away from the game 64 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: is like find some other hobbies. And art is something 65 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: I've always been around, but like trying to take it 66 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: more serious about collecting. And so I was out in 67 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: London at Freeze the art fests out there. That was 68 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: my first time going to That was amazing. They call 69 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: the train and went to paris Um to check out 70 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: another artist that I really love. One of my favorite artists' 71 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 1: name is Tabar Stratching out of the Bahamas. Phenomenal artists 72 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: doing some great stuff. He had this this sculpture of 73 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: Malcolm X and Betty Shabaz. Obviously you know that that 74 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: struggle chord with me. But it's just when I'm in 75 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: the way of Michelangelo, it's awesome. You've I've been to 76 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: your place in New Orleans, your new place, and so 77 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: you have art all over the things, and I know, like, 78 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: how has art become your passion? I want to kind 79 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: of go into that. Me and you talk about these 80 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: things all the time. You know, you're always trying to, 81 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 1: you know, keep your mind going and things like that. 82 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: But how is art really just taken off in your 83 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: own Um well, I think I like anything that has 84 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: like to do with storytelling. Um. And and you know, 85 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: like I said, I grew up around art, so my 86 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: aunts and artists. So I've I saw paintings on the walls, 87 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: like as I can remember my earliest memories, I saw, 88 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: you know, these these paintings. I remember you ever saw 89 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: the Sugar Shack Eddie Barnes. It's the it's the um 90 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: Marvin Gaye album cover. Uh oh yeah, I saw that picture, 91 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: that painting on my wall from as early as I 92 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: can remember. My aunt did a cover of it. I 93 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: thought it was heard painting for the longest until I 94 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: got older and learned about who Ernie Barnes was a 95 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: former NFL player that turned artists and is now one 96 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: of the like goats of you know, black artistry. But 97 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: it's just the idea of being able to to think 98 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: about something and articulate it and express it in a way, 99 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 1: um that might be nuanced, you know. So we sit 100 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: here and we were exposed only to sports, uh kind 101 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: of outlets where if we want to talk about these 102 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: other things, we're at the mercy of like the writer 103 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: or the journalist who's you know, has an agenda, but 104 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: being able to express yourself in ways that always with words. 105 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: So whether it's your fashion, whether it's film, music, art, like, 106 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 1: all of those things to me are just storytelling. And 107 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: when I get to sit with an artist and they 108 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: break down why they use this material, you know, like 109 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: we'll say, oh, this is trash, and it's like exactly, 110 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 1: they use trash specifically to tell this narrative, like and 111 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: all of those things to me, once you understand it, 112 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: like change how you value it, and all of a 113 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: sudden you're attached to these pieces because they speak to 114 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 1: a narrative. It's like listening to a good song when 115 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: a writer says something that like he articulates the feelings 116 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: that you had, but you can never like put it 117 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: like that. It's something with art once you learn how 118 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: they're doing it, like I could never make that or 119 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: do that in that way, and it's so interesting and 120 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: they took that that narrative and perspective on whether it 121 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: be sculpture or abstract paintings, all of that. Now, do 122 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 1: you do any artwork yourself though, being that you are 123 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: a fan of it, can you can you draw, Can 124 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 1: you sculp? Can you I know I can't paint, can't 125 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: draw hands, stuff. But what I have started to figure 126 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 1: out is like, yeah, like all right, well what are 127 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 1: and this is what I think is important, Like for 128 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: every black man, this is one thing that we don't do, 129 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: is we need like some creative outlet, like in general. 130 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: And so one of the things I started to do, 131 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: um was photography. Like I just picked up a camera, 132 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: showed myself how to do it, and so you know, 133 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: I'll go out, I'll take pictures, edit them. Taught myself 134 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: how to do it, and I have like a photo 135 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: all all of them like my own stuff. And I'm 136 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: working on some things you know here there, but you 137 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: got to learn kind of the basics. And I'm like, 138 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna put nothing out there or it might 139 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: just be only for me to see. It's just my 140 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: own little private thing. But yeah, I think I am 141 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: looking for ways to Like the more you get around it, 142 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: you start to learn how they do it. Yeah, you 143 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: play around with it. Dad were a little bit, but 144 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm no artists, But what's what's one 145 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: of the best pieces you've taken? M I gotta I 146 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: can send it to you too. I got this picture. 147 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: I was in Morocco and I went through the markets 148 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: in Madrid and you go into it. This is guys 149 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: the snake charmers and stuff. This guy takes his snake 150 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: and he's like like draping it like over his face 151 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: and he's like kissing it. I took a picture of it, 152 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: like real close, like edit up. It's like phenomenal, Like 153 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: it's like my favorite picture that I'm taking. I was like, Okay. 154 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: Everybody who comes and sees it, they're like like, oh, 155 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: who took that? And I'm like, yeah, I did that. 156 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: Yeah I'd like to. I like, I like to check 157 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: that piece out and send it to Roma or whatever. 158 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: I got you dogs. So now that you're back in 159 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: the States, you went on vacation, you're enjoying yourself. You're 160 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: going all over. I know most of these places. But 161 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: so what you've been up to? Doc? I mean, I know, 162 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:38,959 Speaker 1: I know the girls back in school, So what you 163 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: up to? Half of my time, it's just being dad. 164 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 1: Like I'm at home, I'm in the school drop off lines, 165 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 1: I'm in the pickup lines. So tell them how you 166 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: cooking it up? Too? Because I've been over there, use 167 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 1: cooking dinner dog. Oh yeah, it's a full time job. 168 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 1: Like you know, I'm a single dad with no nanny, 169 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:57,959 Speaker 1: so I got two girls. I'm like, We're up at 170 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: in the morning, breakfast, clothes, to school. I get my 171 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: little work in, you know, work out, do whatever I 172 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: gotta do between the then it's pick up and it's 173 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: like clockwork, you know, you pick them up. Here's a 174 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 1: snack change, l get to soccer practice, get home homework. 175 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: While they doing homework, I'm cooking dinner, gig dinner. We 176 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: got about thirty minutes to chill, watch something and then 177 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: they sleep and hold are your kids? They are eight 178 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 1: in a four eight and four. Yeah. So that's that's 179 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: the majority of my life, about half of the month 180 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: and then the other half of the month, um um, 181 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: either doing some of the things that I enjoyed. So 182 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: it's like the arts uff or it's bouncing around and 183 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: a couple of smaller gigs like just talking about the 184 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 1: game of all little podcast stuff here there. Um but yeah, 185 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: working on more creative stuff than anything else, to be honest. 186 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 1: So after eight months of retirement, bro, you're watching football? 187 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:58,199 Speaker 1: Do you miss it? Not? At all I had one. 188 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: I went to my first game finally, Saints versus Raiders, 189 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: and in pre game, I was like, okay, yeah, it's 190 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: the pre game, that's really it. Though, I was like 191 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: I could I could almost feel my pads on my body. 192 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, yeah, like yeah, I could play, 193 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: I can play right now. But after that, like now, 194 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: I really I really have not had any like second 195 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: guesses or thoughts are like playing the game. I actually 196 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 1: enjoyed this vantage point of being a fan and like 197 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: and having no control over what's happening, yea make it 198 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: like the anxiety of that, like the tension in the moments, 199 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, this is amazing. You know what's real funny, 200 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: mount was that I didn't know how hard it was 201 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 1: being a fan, Like like you just mentioned about the anxiety, 202 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,839 Speaker 1: Like when you have no control, it's way worse, Like 203 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: it's way horrible being just on the field, like you 204 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: only control, You're only just concerned with your job. You're like, bro, 205 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to I don't have time to be 206 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,559 Speaker 1: worried about none of that. I have so much. I'm 207 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: such a fair weather person as a fan, Like I'm 208 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: in the first quarter, like Yo, they down there down fourteen. 209 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: It's with Yeah, this game is As a player, I 210 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:05,439 Speaker 1: was the guy that was always like man, we always 211 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 1: come back like this is super super positive. As a fan, 212 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: I'm like this is all right. So when did you 213 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: know it was time to retire? Because you we had 214 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: talked about it, but I didn't know you was gonna 215 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: pull the trigger. And when you did, it was just 216 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 1: like no hesitation, almost like your tweet game. Yeah, I 217 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: mean it got easy. Yo, I'm be honest, it just 218 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: got easy. And it's like, um, it's taking up too 219 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 1: much time. It's like a lot going on, like from 220 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: family life, Like yo, you sacrifice a lot of it, 221 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: Like I want to spend more time with my family, 222 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: want to spend more time doing all these things. But 223 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: like in football has taught me so much, like when 224 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: you learn, like literally to be a professional in the game, 225 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: like the nuances of the game, Like it takes a 226 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: certain skill level to get there, and then you start 227 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: to realize that like if I applied this these same 228 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: tools anything else in life, YEA to succeed, Like it's 229 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: we know how to we know how to build teams, 230 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:07,599 Speaker 1: we know process, we know discipline, like we understand evaluation. 231 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: We know how to deal with failure, how to come 232 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 1: back from failure, how to stay focused and success like 233 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: these are all things that people in the real world 234 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: struggle with. CEOs and people who build businesses don't have 235 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: these tools. And we've been doing this since me personally, 236 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: since I was seven, and so it almost started to 237 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: feel like like football is what I love, but it's 238 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: not what I'm built to do. Everything that I'm built 239 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: to do is like pulling on me, like it's calling me. 240 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 1: And the game of football really just got easy. Bro. 241 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: Remember you told me this when I was young and 242 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: I was trying to learn how to play strong and safety. 243 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 1: I'm like, man, how do you know how how do 244 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: you read so fast if it's running past? And he 245 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: was like, I'm like, what are you looking at? He 246 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: was like, I mean it's a feel like it just 247 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: it just sound different, and I'm like what. But we 248 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: were talking about like man, you just feel the game 249 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: out a while and it's like okay. And then probably 250 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: two three years later, like I've reached that point where 251 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: like I would the game and it was like oh 252 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:03,839 Speaker 1: and I kind of knew it was never like the 253 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: last two years I played. I was not nervous at 254 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,959 Speaker 1: all for any game, and it was like, Okay, it's 255 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: probably time I've done everything I needed to do. I 256 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: can still play. I love competing, but it's like I'm 257 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,719 Speaker 1: I'm cheating people. You know me, Roman, I'm an all 258 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: in type of person, thousand percent like all in if 259 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: you got me here, and so if I can't be 260 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: like that, it's like, then it's probably time for me 261 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:29,719 Speaker 1: to move to something else. I was probably smart. It's 262 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: funny that you say the whole the nervous and I 263 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: think one of the unique things though about the way 264 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: you retired is you did it on your term like 265 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,839 Speaker 1: you did it. Most people don't retire when they're ready. 266 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: It's either they didn't get picked up or they got 267 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,559 Speaker 1: injured and that was it. I was kind of the 268 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: the guy that got injured because I still wanted to play. 269 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: But after I told my ACL in Carolina my last year, 270 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: I was like, man, I'm going on like thirty four 271 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 1: thirty five. I just told my ACL, I think I'm 272 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: gonna have to call it a day because no one's 273 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: trying to pick up an old guy. And you also 274 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: said something, um, how Rome when you were younger. Rome 275 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 1: really took you under his wing and he told you 276 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: and you know, gave you some some some great advice 277 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: what his room taught you that you're kind of using 278 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:24,359 Speaker 1: today right now. Roman taught me a lot in leadership. 279 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: That's crazy to say because Malcolm was the captain, Like 280 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: I like, I was never that's crazy to me to 281 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: hear that, But I was always like I don't need 282 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: all that stuff. Go ahead and I'm sorry, um, and 283 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: not leadership in like like I'm stand in front of 284 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: the entire room, but like man to man leadership, Yeah, 285 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: you got that old man wisdom like I've seen, like, Okay, 286 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: when Tracy Porter is, you know, our main corner, he's 287 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: our guy, and then he's just late one too many times. 288 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: So where like like at first it's like we don't 289 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: care what the coaches, can't care what they want. But 290 00:14:57,880 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: now it's like, oh you do something. Now it's like 291 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: a player on meet and then you you're you're too late. 292 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: Like instead of being a thing where most of us 293 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: know how to call people out in a big room, 294 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: you do that because you got back up. You got 295 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: other people to like to jump on as well. But 296 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: like I'm just watching and he'll hang back and like, hey, Tracy, 297 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: let me stay here, and then to have a man 298 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: and man conversation about like oh no, like we need 299 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: more out of you. And and Roman is not the captain. 300 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: He's not like the dude with the sea on his chest. 301 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: He's not the and it's like, oh, the ability to 302 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: meet people like what they are, understanding who's who? And 303 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: then uh. And then when I got to Philadelphia, Um, 304 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: like I was like that guy, and I started to 305 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: realize a lot of the stuff that Roman used to 306 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: say to me. Um, I had to say to Rodney McLeod. 307 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: He was a young dude just like me, came through 308 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: Greg Williams defense, so super cerebral, like we spoke the 309 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: same language, but he thought he knew everything. And we 310 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: want to question the coach on everything, like you're not perfect, 311 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: You're gonna ask the coach every single question. And I 312 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: remember Roman used to tell me it's like, bro coach. 313 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: And then Crime Dog was our dB coach my last 314 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: year in New Orleans, and they said, Bro, you're clearly 315 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: smarter than everybody. That's fine, but like for this meeting 316 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: to go, like, you can't disrupt the meeting, like you 317 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: want to do this on your own time. Go upstairs 318 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: with them early, like on Tuesday, and get all of 319 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: that out before we get to the meeting on Wednesday, 320 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: because the other people are not learning, Like the guys 321 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: who don't know what you know aren't learning because you 322 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: like it's causing confusion. And I'm like, okay, fine, like 323 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: finally shut up, and it's like, okay, learn how to 324 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: do it in a different way. And when I got 325 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: to Philly, I was able to talk to Rodney about 326 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: those things because I had been through it, and I 327 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: just bust out laughing. Nney said all the same things 328 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: that I was saying, and it's like, Okay, I'm prepared 329 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: for this. It's only how growth changes you though, you 330 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. How would prepare? Rome was the 331 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: same way in Philly or excuse him now Philly in Carolina, 332 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: but Rome would do that with You did that with Banet, 333 00:16:56,440 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: Trey u Jo, Josh Norman like he was. I think 334 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: Rome was. Again, were you a captain in Carolina? Yeah, 335 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 1: wasn't the captain in Carolina, but he was the I 336 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: guess because you had all that great They just kind 337 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 1: of looked just like you gotta be gotta just like yo, 338 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: he's he's he's like that old the old guy off 339 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: for the show Kung Fu. You know, like they just 340 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 1: always would flock to Rome for some of that old 341 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 1: school advice, and it was just like yeah, and they 342 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 1: used to call him up too, hey uh uh o, 343 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,479 Speaker 1: lou let me yeah, let that have we gave him 344 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: Roman some flowers, let me like, let me let me 345 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: put some parameters back on this now. This is that 346 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: was the one example that I had. I was like, 347 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 1: Roman was also the reason why I didn't get along 348 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 1: with a lot of coaches because he didn't walked into 349 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,400 Speaker 1: the room. I'm like it was I'm a young guy, 350 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 1: I'm a rookie. Probably I hope you gonna tell me this. 351 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 1: I hope you told this story. This is like the 352 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 1: best one ever. Yeah, play something like that. And he's like, uh, 353 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: four year player, and you know, coaches and nitpicking on 354 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: like little things. We're undefeated in my rookie year. We're 355 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: like ten and oh and the coaches are still trying 356 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: to like, you didn't set the edge right here like 357 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 1: it's supposed to on the numbers. You set it out here. 358 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 1: It's like, bro, they're giving him they gave him a 359 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: bad grade, like he had all he balled out and 360 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: got like a bad grade. So now romans mad. And 361 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: then uh, Dennis Allen, the head coach now the Saints, 362 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: said he was a dB coach and he said something 363 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: like slick and Roman was just like, man, y'all, just 364 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, y'all, hear nitpicking. He's like nitpicking. He's like, 365 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,159 Speaker 1: he's like you said all the time, this is a 366 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: this game is played by players, coaches, just coach, I 367 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: said on at the back of the room, like what 368 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: you're gonna say. Coach didn't say nothing else after that, 369 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: but it was like he was also that guy. You 370 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 1: gotta he played call of duty all day. I was like, God, 371 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: this is this is Roman Harper. Great hair does not 372 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: mean wisdom. They just assumed that when he got the 373 00:18:55,960 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: Carolina well he definitely he definitely had it though, because 374 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna like he used to put the old schools. 375 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 1: You and Kurt I would meet y'all in the morning 376 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: and that's how we watch film. You know what I'm saying, 377 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 1: it's true professional and it sounds like I think one 378 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 1: of the biggest jumps that rookies don't have is learning 379 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 1: how to be a professional when they go from college 380 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 1: to the NFL. And it always takes, for the most part, 381 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: an older guy, a veteran to give the younger guys 382 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 1: some tips, some advice on how to watch film, how 383 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 1: to practice, how to eat, how to take care of 384 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: your body treatments, so on and so forth. Malcolm, what 385 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: would what would your advice be to NFL players and 386 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:41,360 Speaker 1: or athletes in general? Just about being a professional. I mean, 387 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: you know, every time you come into this game, you 388 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: want to play it as long as you can, right, 389 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: And there's certain things that like will help you last 390 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: in the game and have nothing to do with football. 391 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: Professionalism is one of them. Like the ability, Like they 392 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: tell you all the time, accountability and availability are like 393 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: two the major things when it comes to teams evaluating players. 394 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 1: You can be as talented as you want, but if 395 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: I can't hold you accountable or I don't think that 396 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: you can just do your job and you're not healthy, 397 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: then no matter what your talent is, you can't I 398 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: can't use you. UM. And so it's really just about um. 399 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 1: Coaches are always evaluating you. Like it's not just on 400 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 1: the field, it's how you walk around the building. It's 401 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: do you take notes? Do you make new mistakes? Are 402 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: you a repeat mistake offender? Like all these things have 403 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: nothing to do with like how well you tackle, how 404 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: well you catch the ball. It's how you how you 405 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: hold yourself and carry yourself in and improve yourself. Coaches 406 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: are not that good in the NFL. I'm like, I 407 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: know this is a podcast with this, but I don't 408 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: believe that coaches are that good. It's like, how much 409 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 1: as how many coaches have actually taught you, like a 410 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 1: new technique that took you to the next level as 411 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,120 Speaker 1: a player. A lot of it is self governance, right, 412 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 1: Like if I messed up, I got to stay after 413 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: practice and improve myself. That like, real improvement comes on 414 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: your own in the off season, it comes on your 415 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 1: own and your own time. Your preparedness for the game 416 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: comes on your own time. All of that stuff. You 417 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: don't think the coaches help you learn the game though 418 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,959 Speaker 1: in a sense maybe not a technique, but just like 419 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,400 Speaker 1: learning the game itself. Some do. But I would say 420 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 1: out of the amount of coaches I played for, six 421 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 1: coordinators under that you had like different you know, dB coaches, 422 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: I didn't learn a game from the majority of them, 423 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 1: I probably learned the game from like Greg Williams, m 424 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: Jim Schwartz, Um, Rob Bryan, I'll learned the game from. 425 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: And then Corey Underland was a dB coach that I 426 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: had in Philadelphia who could have been a de coordinator. 427 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 1: And then Dennis Allen. I did learn some football from him, 428 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: like some stuff, but like you're not learning how to that. 429 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: None of the stuff I was learning was helping me 430 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 1: cover Calvin Johnson. And the professionalism is like understanding that 431 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: that's your responsibility, like that it's not it's not the 432 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: coach's responsibility. I mean technically it is, but nobody cares 433 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, like on Sundays, like 434 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: you being prepared, being healthy and being ready to perform, 435 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: They're gonna look at you for that responsibility, not looking 436 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: at the coaches on that and those who can do 437 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 1: it consistently tend to stay around longer. So I'm just 438 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: gonna throw it out there out what's it like the 439 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: only sports team bro. I mean, let's let's calm down here, guys. 440 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 1: It's stressful. So I was a minority owner in Burnley 441 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: Football Club. Um, we're in the Premier League last year 442 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 1: and got relegated. Yeah, so it was bro it was. 443 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: It was a dramatic fashion too. Came down to like 444 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 1: the last match of the year. It's going back and forth. Yeah, 445 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: we got relegated. We're in the Champion League, but it 446 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: was the Premier League soccer, not in the Champion League. 447 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: UM Burnley. It's awesome though, I mean, you know, as athletes, 448 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 1: you don't we don't even imagine. It's like early thought 449 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: I was going to play in the NFL, Like I 450 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 1: didn't even have dreams to do that. So to be 451 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: in a position where you're like my minority owner and 452 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: a sports club and another country is just that's that's 453 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: a big accomplishment for me and my team, and it's 454 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,640 Speaker 1: really just like you. But I look at my businesses. 455 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 1: I'm in so many different things like on purpose um 456 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: and just being yeah. I mean so I'm in everything 457 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 1: from real estate to franchise and we own half over 458 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 1: at half a dozen I'm sorry, over a dozen quick 459 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: service restaurants and getting ready to blow that to over 460 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 1: thirty in the next two years. We've got a venture 461 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: capital fund called Broadstreet Ventures doing investments into growth in 462 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: late stage companies. UM that's been going well. Got my 463 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: own production company. UM. We just acquired and just invested 464 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: into one of the largest distilleries in Pennsylvania. So we've 465 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 1: got the spirits and all of that, who are all 466 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: over the place real estate, sports groups in sports is 467 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: one of the things I also wanted to invest in 468 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: being an athlete, Like we know, we know how valuable 469 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,919 Speaker 1: we are like as as athletes in the sports, and 470 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: so it's like, well, how do how do do we 471 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: not invest into having some kind of equity into UM 472 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: you know that sports space where we know athletes, we 473 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: know how to build a brand, we know how to 474 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: add value to an organization because I've had thirteen years 475 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: of professional experience and even more when we go back 476 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: to how long we've been playing ball, So how do 477 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: you I mean, I know you said you're retired, you 478 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 1: were done and family time with the kids, and you 479 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: give us a whole schedule, Like how do you have 480 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: time to do all of this with all your businesses. 481 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: The best thing I've ever done in my life was 482 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: build a team while I was playing UM and so 483 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: I figured out ways to you know, most of us 484 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: when we come into the league, we are on a 485 00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 1: conveyor belt. Right, it's like, get an agent, get advisor, 486 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: get all these people who they tell you you're supposed 487 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 1: to have. Great I did that as well, and then eventually, 488 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,199 Speaker 1: as I've gone along, I just started to realize, all right, 489 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 1: who's making money off of me and who cannot replace? 490 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: Like how do they make money? It's like, well, oh, 491 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,640 Speaker 1: I've got a friend who can handle my finances. They 492 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: do it for another company, you know, and get they're 493 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 1: working a ninety five to do that same job for 494 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: another company. I was like, well, as soon as we 495 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: can build enough up together over here and we can 496 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 1: afford to pay you full time, leave that and come 497 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 1: do it for me, and it will build that who 498 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 1: we have the franchising, same thing with the investments. Then 499 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: it's the real estate and so enable for like, I know, 500 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: I can't do all these things alone, so I'd rather 501 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 1: share in the equity and then have other people join 502 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 1: me and build it. And That's how I'm able to 503 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 1: get into all these other things, is that I'm just 504 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: taking people and evaluating who I think is in the 505 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: best position to really like take off and run in 506 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: that space, and I'm equipping them with the cap the 507 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 1: leverage in in my social capital, like the doors that 508 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: I can get into. I'm bringing them into that space 509 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: to do that for me. And I was able to 510 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: do that while I was playing. While I'm you know, 511 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: while everybody cares about who you are, they want to 512 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: let you in the door. I'm just bringing my people 513 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: with me and I retire, I'm sitting around a group 514 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: of five people, and we've got stuff that we can 515 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: do on our own, Like we're not knocking down doors looking, 516 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,360 Speaker 1: you know, to go work for somebody else. We've got 517 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 1: all of that in place, and it's about just scaling 518 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: it now. And that's that's the biggest thing. That's probably 519 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: the best thing I've ever done. And you know, I 520 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 1: gotta give him out. I gotta give him out credit 521 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: because I remember, like his rookie year, second year, he 522 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: was telling about these apartments he home in Columbus. I'm like, what, 523 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,360 Speaker 1: you ain't here? Yeah, I ain't gonna take credit for that. 524 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: But that was part of my team though, right, That's 525 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like he was already doing these things 526 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,439 Speaker 1: at an early age where when you first come and 527 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 1: everybody's telling you, man, you gotta save you gotta be smart, 528 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: you gotta do this and just focus. And Malchael was 529 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: already doing these things. That's why I just want to 530 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: let him know that, man, this started forever ago that 531 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: I've been blessed to have people around me that have 532 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: made me challenge the way that things are done or 533 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 1: made me think about these things in different ways early 534 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: enough that now here I am, I can walk away 535 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: from the game because the decision for me and my 536 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:26,239 Speaker 1: retirement is like, okay, is can I walk away from 537 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: the money? Yeah? And that really is what it like, 538 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 1: that's the hardest thing. And I'm like, I don't never 539 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 1: want to be in a position where I'm afraid to 540 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 1: walk away from money, and I feel like I got 541 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,719 Speaker 1: to be there only for it, And so that was like, okay, 542 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: let's move and luckily I've been in a position where 543 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 1: I can um. But like to Roman's point, though, that 544 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 1: didn't start like two years ago, that's been that's been 545 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: doing that for a minute. Yeah, that's what's up. That's 546 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: what's up. So I know five years ago you started 547 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: the Player's Coalition. Yeah, and I mean you've been very 548 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: vocal about kneeling national anthem. How uh you know African 549 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: Americans how we could be and be more included in 550 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: a lot of things and specifically police, law enforcement, just 551 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: stuff that's happened around the United States within the last 552 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: i don't know, ten fifteen years, right, this has been 553 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 1: this huge shift. Has the Player's coalitionment going the way 554 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: you felt it should? I think it's been since its creation. Yeah, 555 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: since creation, I think I think the Coalition has um 556 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: has honestly exceeded my expectations ten fom UM And so 557 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: I think there's a misunderstanding about the Coalition as well. 558 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: Is that there that it's a program that's like underneath 559 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: the NFL, and it's not. These are two separate entities, 560 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: the Player Coalition. What we did was do something that's 561 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: never been done before. We looked at a bunch of 562 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: group of athletes that wanted to be socially engaged, wanted 563 00:28:55,680 --> 00:29:00,040 Speaker 1: to use their platforms to have some real impact in 564 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: UM in our way our society is structure, and they 565 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: had the idea to do that together and then we 566 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 1: would create an organization that was completely built by players 567 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: and completely run by players. All the decision making comes 568 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: from players that separate from the union and separate from 569 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: the league that will make these decisions on how we 570 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: pushed the money that we got from the league, We 571 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: decide where that money goes. We also build an organization 572 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: that a vehicle for players who now want to be involved. 573 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: They don't have to, you know, try to. Their only 574 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: option is not to push against their their team clubs 575 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: and do these things in the locker room, will on 576 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: the field. They can contact us, get all the education 577 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: they need, get all the resources they need. We can 578 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: organize the events that they want, whether it be in 579 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 1: their city or their hometown, so that the work can continue. 580 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,719 Speaker 1: And since then we've expanded to not only just the NFL, 581 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: and it started with twelve NFL players and expanded to 582 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: hundreds that have been engaged in our work, but we 583 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: also expanded to twelve other professional sports leagues, so that's 584 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: w NBA Soccer based. Like all of these groups have 585 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 1: now created their own coalitions and their underneath sister like 586 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: our we're the umbrella company to all of that. So 587 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: our example and our resources have not have turned into 588 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: not only work that we can do. That is, we've 589 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 1: given away millions to grassroots organizations that do the work 590 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: every day, but it's also catapulted and empowered other athletes 591 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: across different you know, sports in sections. I'm still very 592 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: involved from the high level stuff. But what we recognize 593 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: is that politics and our impact is more regional, which 594 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: is perfect for the way that athletes are. Right. We 595 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 1: focus a lot on kind of these national debates and 596 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: national conversations, but really the powerlise state and local and so, 597 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,719 Speaker 1: and that's where we're most powerful, rights where our fan 598 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: bases are. So I'm able to do so much work 599 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 1: in Philly and get so much done in Philly that 600 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: I can't do in Oakland. Um. And so for me, 601 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: it's been about the particular communities that you live in. 602 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 1: How are you being engaged there? And so for me, yeah, 603 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: all my work is focused on the Philadelphia area. That's 604 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 1: kind of my my territory. And then and then recruiting, 605 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: like how do we get the next generation of leaders 606 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 1: to take this up? Because an krom building, you know, 607 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: the co founder, he retired in order to help us 608 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: build it, and he built it up while I was 609 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: still playing kind of the voice of it all. Um. 610 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: But now I'm retired, right, and there's end times and 611 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: circumstances are different, and so there is a need for 612 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 1: this next voice these next leaders to carry this out 613 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: into the forefront because there are a lot of important 614 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: things that are happening um socially in our communities and 615 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: multiple communities that will need voices of athletes that will 616 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: need a collective um and nobody no better person to 617 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: serve them than those next generation leaders to be in 618 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: the coalition. Do you have to be an active player 619 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: or are there tired players? Oh no, no, no, so 620 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: well yeah, we're focused with athletes, but but it's we 621 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: have both retired and active and it's really a spectrum 622 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: of how you want to get involved like some and 623 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: this is why we built it. It's like, whatever you 624 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: want to do. If it's just hey, I want to 625 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 1: get information on what's happening in my city that I 626 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,239 Speaker 1: should be aware of, or I want to you know, 627 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 1: sign on to a letter with some other people, well 628 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 1: all I gotta do is sign my name. I want 629 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: to send a tweet, or if you want to full out, 630 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: like I want to have a town hall and organize, 631 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: you know, meetings with politicians. Whatever it is you want 632 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: to do, we can set that up for you. And 633 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: that's that's what the Coalition is for players to get active. However, 634 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: it is they want and how do they reach out 635 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: to you to get those resources? Yeah, Players, Players Coalition 636 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: dot org is the Website's got all of our information 637 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 1: and all of our programs, the pillars and the things 638 00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: that we stand for. We're doing things in education and 639 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: economic justice, criminal justice reform, policing, community relations, like the 640 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: whole gambit. So it's not even just like one thing, 641 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: it's multiple topics. You can get involved in. Its multiple levels. 642 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: Um and even if it's just you just want information 643 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: to figure out, like we just had an election. If 644 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: you want to know information about the local candidates, you know, 645 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: and what's going on in your city, you just need that. 646 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: We're a resource. Got you? Got you? So you've been 647 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: extremely vocal your career. Were you always kind of like 648 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 1: the the vocal guy or was that something that you 649 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: kind of had to grow into? Where did that mount 650 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: Ain't you got the name Malcolm? So I feel like 651 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: it's like where did that come from? That? Yeah? I 652 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: mean obviously, like like I've been I've been raised obviously 653 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: with a with a very detail kind of history of 654 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: just like black people, what we are capable of and 655 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: kind of what we've been through. And honestly not even enough. 656 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: Like for me as an adult, I'm still on a 657 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 1: journey of just learning kind of how we've arrived to 658 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 1: where we are. I'm actually a person who's very introverted 659 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 1: and who does not like conflict. But so I'm somebody 660 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,959 Speaker 1: when it's time, I'll do what needs to be done. 661 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,800 Speaker 1: And so when you see me raising my hand and 662 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 1: being so loud and vocal, you have to understand that 663 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: that's because I believe that this needs to be done. 664 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: It's not what I want to be doing. I don't 665 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 1: want to invite these this energy, this this friction. But 666 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 1: if it's but if it comes down to, like like 667 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,360 Speaker 1: on a football field, if I got to tackle this 668 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 1: guy who's bigger than me, I gotta take on this 669 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,839 Speaker 1: pulling guard, well I'm gonna find out. You'll see how 670 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: much I love my teammates based on how I make 671 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 1: that decision. And for me, I love my communities. I've 672 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,840 Speaker 1: been raised to love my family and the people that 673 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 1: I come from. I have a lot of pride in it, 674 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: and I have a lot of understanding that we as 675 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:02,400 Speaker 1: a people are not innately violent, upid, or inadequate. So 676 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: when you look at those symptoms coming out of specific communities. 677 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: You have to look at, well, what is causing that. 678 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 1: If I don't believe that these people are just like that, 679 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: then there are reasons that explain all of it, And 680 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,399 Speaker 1: if we can get to those reasons, then we'll get 681 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,280 Speaker 1: to the core and stop trying to stop the symptoms 682 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: of it all. And so for me, it just like 683 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,359 Speaker 1: any captain, sometimes you just got to stand out front, 684 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 1: take the bullets, just to keep this thing focused, keep 685 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,919 Speaker 1: everything going in the right direction. And at that point 686 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 1: in time, that was what was needed from not only me, 687 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 1: like Colin Kaepernick obviously took a knee, Eric Reid and 688 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 1: Mike Thomas. So you had voices all over the league 689 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 1: that we're really stepping up to the plate and all 690 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: of that. And I get my name gets attached to 691 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,959 Speaker 1: the coalition a lot, but it's a coalition meaning there's 692 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 1: a group of guys decisions. There was a group of 693 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,879 Speaker 1: us that were in those negotiations, a group of us 694 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 1: that made every decision that got us there right, you know, 695 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,239 Speaker 1: And and that to me is really like the most 696 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 1: important part. Brother Jake, y'all stay too. We're gonna We're 697 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 1: gonna pay a couple of bills we'll be right back. 698 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 1: All right, we're back after a little bit of commercially, 699 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 1: I had to pay some bills. My man Peter net 700 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 1: Tilma here with our guests today, Malcolm Jenkins, Brother Jay. 701 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 1: Yeah we go, brother Jake or brother Malcolm, however you 702 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,840 Speaker 1: want to go for it. NFL Players Second Acts Podcast. 703 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 1: Thank you again, Malcolm. We've got a couple of quick 704 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 1: hitters for you. All right. First thing comes to mind. 705 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 1: Be ready for some of these questions gonna be challenging. 706 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 1: Some of them are just all for giggles, bro, just 707 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 1: being honest with you, all right, you ready? All right? 708 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,800 Speaker 1: What was the first thing you splurged on after you 709 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:43,759 Speaker 1: got drafted? The first thing I bought was two thousand 710 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:54,880 Speaker 1: and nine Mercedes five fifty. Oh yeah, that's classic. Yeah, 711 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,359 Speaker 1: all black everything. I love Scott Grams nothing, I ain't 712 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 1: do nothing to it all and those to it all right. 713 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,319 Speaker 1: I got what was your what was your goal to 714 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 1: outfit for a game? Uh So I always had like 715 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,840 Speaker 1: so you know, I got my own suit company, so 716 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 1: I always try out have a yeah, DeMar, you know, 717 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 1: based out of fifty so we uh so I always 718 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 1: designed something nice seven weeks playing out or eight weeks 719 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 1: at home. Okay, hold, so you would you would already 720 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,480 Speaker 1: have them laid out like first day of school, like 721 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 1: this is this week, this is this week before the season. 722 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, all right, this week we got a 723 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 1: primetime game week three. I need to have something fire 724 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 1: for that. Got this road game. Yeah, you know you 725 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 1: gotta you gotta have it all. You gotta have a 726 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 1: plan because I'm not trying to think about that. You know, 727 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 1: the day before the game, the morning of the game. 728 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,720 Speaker 1: What outfit? I'm aware, let's get that done. Well, shout 729 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,919 Speaker 1: out to Demark because I just ordered mine just came 730 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 1: in the other day, so it's about time. If you 731 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 1: could do it all over again, would you get to 732 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 1: que Brandon on your arm. I'm thinking about getting another one. 733 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 1: I got the one of them, I got one of 734 00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,399 Speaker 1: my chest and I got a double hit right here. 735 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I would for sure, Rome step up. Well 736 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,919 Speaker 1: if not, if you get double headed bro again, I'll 737 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:12,520 Speaker 1: get one. Oh. I wouldn't gotta do with me. It's 738 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:16,279 Speaker 1: still I need somebody hold my hand, all right? All 739 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 1: I did I did this one with no help. I 740 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 1: ain't even nobody hold me. Just put a book right 741 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 1: there and just control, man. You got it, bro, it 742 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,800 Speaker 1: is mental though. You're right, it is mental. It's mental. 743 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,480 Speaker 1: You're right. You've been through how many NFL training camps 744 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,920 Speaker 1: We're trying to tell me you can't sit still? How 745 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 1: many shots in MRIs and all kind of stuff in 746 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,959 Speaker 1: the head. You can't sit still? Get Brandy real quick, 747 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 1: hey man, going to that mail doctor. It's probably even worse, 748 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,839 Speaker 1: more mental than all of that. But all right, who 749 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:51,719 Speaker 1: is on your personal Mount Rushmore? Malcolm? My Mount Rushmore 750 00:38:52,560 --> 00:39:06,760 Speaker 1: would be Malcolm, Max, jay Z, Dave Chappelle, and James Baldwin. Nice, 751 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,279 Speaker 1: you're the first person that hasn't mentioned their mom and 752 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:13,400 Speaker 1: their death. I get it. I get it. I'm just 753 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,799 Speaker 1: telling you the first one. Bro. It's okay, it's okay. 754 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 1: I actually really like yours more than everybody else's action 755 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,399 Speaker 1: because it was like real people that we can look 756 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 1: up to and like, not touch. You know what I'm saying, 757 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:30,399 Speaker 1: I can help. I wish I would have liked that more. 758 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,879 Speaker 1: About James Baldwin growing up as a kid, I wish 759 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,840 Speaker 1: they would have taught what he stood for, what he said, 760 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:41,279 Speaker 1: his writing, like just everything he was about. I wish 761 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 1: I would have learned more about him as a kid 762 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,640 Speaker 1: in my youth than learning about him later in life 763 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,520 Speaker 1: as an adult. Now I'm learning about him and I 764 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 1: know who he is now. But I wish to god 765 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,760 Speaker 1: they would have taught about this man in high school 766 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,319 Speaker 1: or in junior higher elementary school, because he has so 767 00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:01,120 Speaker 1: much knowledge, so much knowledge, And the problem was that 768 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,760 Speaker 1: and he's you know, we talk about writers in general. 769 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,680 Speaker 1: He's one of the greatest American writers of all time, 770 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,040 Speaker 1: and and we are just getting to a place where 771 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 1: we probably accept them on the broader basis simply because 772 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 1: he was homosexual. Yeah, right, so we took all of 773 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 1: that that greatness kind of under the rug um. But 774 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,040 Speaker 1: I'm glad that, like you said, more people are getting 775 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,240 Speaker 1: exposed to his writing and just what he meant, even 776 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:32,080 Speaker 1: just for like the psyches of black folks. The brother 777 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:37,520 Speaker 1: was brilliant, all right, last U Right now, My life 778 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:47,280 Speaker 1: is right now, My life is an adventure. Football gives 779 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,919 Speaker 1: you so much structure. Every day they tell you where 780 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,640 Speaker 1: to go, what time the bus leaves, what time you eat, 781 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:57,239 Speaker 1: what time you rest. And now every day I wake up, 782 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 1: I don't know what's coming. And it's like and it's 783 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,399 Speaker 1: getting used to like being okay with that and then 784 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,120 Speaker 1: actually enjoying that part that like literally every day is 785 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,719 Speaker 1: something new to experience, is something new to learn um 786 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,319 Speaker 1: and having to like embrace that. So there's no such 787 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,040 Speaker 1: thing as good bad. It's just like this is just 788 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,359 Speaker 1: what today was, and I'll get through it and then 789 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,640 Speaker 1: tomorrow go at it again. And that that part to 790 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,560 Speaker 1: me is like it is so uncomfortable. But if there's 791 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,960 Speaker 1: anything I learned while playing balls, you gotta get very 792 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,600 Speaker 1: comfortable being uncomfortable, no doubt. And Malcolm, you're a person 793 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,600 Speaker 1: that has always lived in the black and white and 794 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,280 Speaker 1: me have always in the gray. Song. I'm enjoying hearing 795 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:40,399 Speaker 1: those words, which is crazy now have like you're more 796 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,160 Speaker 1: black and white, and I'm probably the great one in 797 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,680 Speaker 1: both of us, Like right, there's really no no white. 798 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,000 Speaker 1: But I love that growth in you, my bro. You 799 00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,600 Speaker 1: know I love that. So So malt Man, tell me 800 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:54,279 Speaker 1: about this your foundation event on Tuesday, November twenty nine. Yeah, 801 00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 1: so that's given Tuesday. M Actually, like I said, I'm 802 00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,120 Speaker 1: right here now at a part where Northwest High scho 803 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,640 Speaker 1: in Philadelphia. It's one of the schools that we've adopted 804 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,759 Speaker 1: to do a lot of our work in and we 805 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,160 Speaker 1: are building out these financial literacy programs that will roll 806 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,800 Speaker 1: out here but also in a few other partner schools 807 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,040 Speaker 1: in North from New Jersey and North specifically. And this 808 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:18,239 Speaker 1: fundraiser that we're doing, the Fantasy Blitz, so our first 809 00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,400 Speaker 1: fundraiser back in the city since I left as an Eagle. 810 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,480 Speaker 1: So excited to be back. But obviously we're gonna be 811 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,560 Speaker 1: doing things around fantasy football is kind of this game 812 00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,640 Speaker 1: show host. The Eagles are flying high right now, so 813 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,480 Speaker 1: a lot of super high, super high, so you know, 814 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,600 Speaker 1: the biggest thing is just trying to get around and 815 00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,880 Speaker 1: join football having some fun. There'll be a bunch of 816 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,680 Speaker 1: former and current Eagles that are being the building and 817 00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,920 Speaker 1: we're raising money to build out these financial literacy programs 818 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,520 Speaker 1: that again I'm literally actively doing today, just finished that 819 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,840 Speaker 1: one session, and we want to break this out to 820 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,600 Speaker 1: multiple schools and the only way we can do that 821 00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,520 Speaker 1: is when we raise the funds and get the support 822 00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:00,000 Speaker 1: community to actually build that infrastructure. That's what's up now, Magee. 823 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:05,000 Speaker 1: You in trouble Eagles, Eagles or Saints pick one. I mean, 824 00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,640 Speaker 1: you know, it depends on what you Gotta give me 825 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:12,360 Speaker 1: some context. I can't it's just pick one Eagles the Saints. 826 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, if you're saying, like, okay, give 827 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:19,480 Speaker 1: me the political answer, Eagles the Saints Eagles, and Saints 828 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 1: Eagles are Saints. But nah, Now I live in both cities. 829 00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:25,600 Speaker 1: I lived there. I have to let my head there, 830 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:29,160 Speaker 1: so I can't just be saying crazy stuff. But no, 831 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,160 Speaker 1: I think, I think for me. I tell people all 832 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,240 Speaker 1: the time like I cut my teeth in New Orleans, 833 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,480 Speaker 1: but like where I made myself as a player and 834 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,560 Speaker 1: man was in Philadelphia, So I'm a little bit more 835 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,959 Speaker 1: tied to Philly. I'm it's an hour away from home, 836 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:45,040 Speaker 1: like that is that is me, Like that that places me. 837 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,520 Speaker 1: But obviously, like I love New Orleans, got a lot 838 00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,240 Speaker 1: of history, did two stints there. They gave me a second, 839 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,520 Speaker 1: second row go around when I needed it. I'm going 840 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,239 Speaker 1: to go better myself. They were there for me so 841 00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,200 Speaker 1: and I had the most fun probably the last two years, 842 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,000 Speaker 1: the two years in my seat in my career were 843 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:03,799 Speaker 1: so unique for me, and that I had so much 844 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:08,600 Speaker 1: fun just playing the game of football that like New Orleans. 845 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,440 Speaker 1: It's like I can't just make that to say just 846 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,520 Speaker 1: Philly and ignore New Orleans much of an impression on me. 847 00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,080 Speaker 1: You know, I appreciate that. I knew I was hoping 848 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:20,920 Speaker 1: you would say Philly because I remember when you went 849 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,000 Speaker 1: up there. You were like, Bro, I was there. The 850 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,360 Speaker 1: first thirty minutes. People were hunking horns at me. I 851 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,800 Speaker 1: felt like I was back, baby, I was back in Jersey. 852 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,000 Speaker 1: People angry. It was AWESO get out of that southern 853 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,759 Speaker 1: hospitality and everybody's being nice. I'm like, no, I need 854 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,560 Speaker 1: a chip on my shoulder at all times. Look, man, 855 00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,560 Speaker 1: keep that chip on your shoulder. Bro. You could come 856 00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,680 Speaker 1: from so many great things. You're a great dude and 857 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,319 Speaker 1: an awesome person, amazing leader. Anybody that wants to learn 858 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,839 Speaker 1: more about life, entrepreneurship, any of these cities, go out 859 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,640 Speaker 1: there and follow the Scott macolm jen because all you 860 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,719 Speaker 1: do is all you do is win. My brother. So, 861 00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,279 Speaker 1: I want to thank all the listeners for tuning in. 862 00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:56,919 Speaker 1: I want to ask you guys to spread the word, 863 00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,719 Speaker 1: give us the rating, a review, I mean, make sure 864 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,960 Speaker 1: you be nice with that, and to follow on Apple podcast, 865 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,719 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app, or wherever you get your podcasts. Thank 866 00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,960 Speaker 1: you for listening, Hey, brother, brother Jake, appreciate your boss Man, 867 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:11,960 Speaker 1: I appreciate both of y'all. I'm onto all the listeners 868 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,840 Speaker 1: to understand, like, Yo, y'all two one are just goats 869 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,120 Speaker 1: in the game. Like whether you even Gabe talk to me, 870 00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,520 Speaker 1: didn't like. I just watched how y'all moved as individuals 871 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,560 Speaker 1: on the field off the field, and y'all have affected 872 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,920 Speaker 1: an entire generation of players who watched that. So hats 873 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,800 Speaker 1: off to both of y'all. Appreciate y'all having me on 874 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,600 Speaker 1: for sure. Appreciate your boss,