Speaker 1: So she sold that ship. But it doesn't then how
Speaker 1: to feel. This is the fee, this is the new
Speaker 1: Great Depression. Not long after prohibition. They're worrying about bootlegging
Speaker 1: gangs because some professes told him that the car could
Speaker 1: be found in a garage owned by former Ducy Ulcer
Speaker 1: named Greek. It was a huge deal. It was headline news.
Speaker 1: I don't want a single word written about that day.
Speaker 1: Do you understand there's the possibility it could be solved
Speaker 1: one day? Welcome back to Shattered Souls the Carborn Murders.
Speaker 1: I'm your host, Karen Smith. This is episode five. This
Speaker 1: podcast may contain graphic language and is not suitable for children.
Speaker 1: Previously on the Carborn Murders, Lead after lead wound up
Speaker 1: in dead ends and the detectives were working twenty hour
Speaker 1: days trying to find the killers of James Mitchell and
Speaker 1: Emery Smith. Weeks went by with nothing to show for
Speaker 1: it except for the forensic analysis of the shell casings
Speaker 1: and bullets recovered from the ticket office and from the victims.
Speaker 1: They were looking for a beat up three cold thirty
Speaker 1: two caliber semi automatic used in the murders, as well
Speaker 1: as a stolen Green Buick and anyone who could provide
Speaker 1: solid information. Nobody was coming forward, and it seemed like
Speaker 1: they were running out of options until a confidential informant
Speaker 1: gave them a tip. The informant told detectives Bolton and
Speaker 1: Brass that two men, Lawrence Pettitt and George Bruffy, were
Speaker 1: planning a robbery of the Main Office Carbarn in Georgetown,
Speaker 1: a few weeks before the Carbarn case. The informant initially
Speaker 1: declined the offer to join them, thinking that a broad
Speaker 1: daylight robbery sounded like a suicide mission. Brass and Volton
Speaker 1: convinced the informant to team up and get as much
Speaker 1: intel as he could from Pettit and Bruffy to see
Speaker 1: if either one of them mentioned the Carbarn case. At
Speaker 1: a lunch room downtown, the informant met with Pettit and
Speaker 1: Bruffy and asked if a friend of his from Baltimore
Speaker 1: could get in on the job. They agreed. The informant
Speaker 1: said he'd go along with them on the Main Office robbery,
Speaker 1: but he didn't want to be part of a senseless
Speaker 1: murder like the Chevy Chase job. Lawrence Pettit looked at
Speaker 1: the informant and said that was all a mistake. Forget it.
Speaker 1: George Bruffy kicked Petted under the table and said, shut up,
Speaker 1: you talked too much. The informant brought that information back
Speaker 1: to Voulton and Brass, who put Pettit and Bruffy at
Speaker 1: the top of their suspect list and went full speed ahead.
Speaker 1: The following day, Officer Jerry Hobbs, a rookie cop from
Speaker 1: Montgomery County, was brought into the precinct to go undercover
Speaker 1: as the informants buddy from Baltimore. Officer Hobbs had less
Speaker 1: than a year on the job, so his face wouldn't
Speaker 1: be familiar to anyone on the street. He was smart
Speaker 1: and had good instincts, so Bolton and Brass put their
Speaker 1: trust in him. They all had a talk and the
Speaker 1: informants said that Officer Hobbs would work out just fine
Speaker 1: with a little coaching. Later that day, Hobbes and the
Speaker 1: informant met with Pettit and Bruffy to make introductions and
Speaker 1: work on plans for the heist. Voulton and Brass went
Speaker 1: to Georgetown to the top floor of Mr Stevens, the
Speaker 1: superintendent of transportation for the Capital Transit Company. They told
Speaker 1: Mr Stevens what was going on behind the scenes and
Speaker 1: asked him if the information that Pettit and Bruffy had
Speaker 1: about the armored truck, the times and locations were accurate.
Speaker 1: Mr Stevens said they knew the set up perfectly. While
Speaker 1: they were talking, Detective Volton looked out of the window
Speaker 1: to m Street below and he saw Officer Hobbs get
Speaker 1: out of a car. Three men approached him from all sides.
Speaker 1: Alarm bells went off. Had Hobbs already been made as
Speaker 1: a plant? Before Bolton and Brass could run down airs.
Speaker 1: Another Metropolitan Police officer approached the car and started to
Speaker 1: talk to all of them. One of the men was
Speaker 1: Lawrence Pettit. That officer was questioned later on and he
Speaker 1: said that he was just checking the car registration, which
Speaker 1: was legitimate. Officer hobbs cover wasn't blown after all. The
Speaker 1: following day everyone met up and the informant and Hobbs
Speaker 1: told them that Pettit, Ruffie and one other man were
Speaker 1: still hell bent on the main office hold up. For
Speaker 1: the next eleven days, Volton and Brass shadowed the group
Speaker 1: and found out the third man's name, Richard Boyle. Officer
Speaker 1: Hobbs reported back every night, and on that twelfth day,
Speaker 1: he said their plans had changed. Now they planned to
Speaker 1: rob the ticket office at Fourth and T Street overnight,
Speaker 1: then the main office the following morning. With that information
Speaker 1: from Hobbs, Detective Volton went to Captain Thompson of the
Speaker 1: d C Police and told him everything that Hobbs had
Speaker 1: found out. Captain Thompson ordered Volton and Brass to arrest
Speaker 1: everyone immediately. He didn't want to wait any longer and
Speaker 1: possibly have another murder on his hands. Officer Hobbs advised
Speaker 1: them where the final meeting was going to take place.
Speaker 1: Volton and Brass made their surprise visit and everyone was
Speaker 1: taken into custody. Pettit and Bruffy were questioned and they
Speaker 1: were told that Officer Hobbs had been working undercover all along.
Speaker 1: They knew they were busted fair and square on the
Speaker 1: robbery conspiracy, and they copped to it. When Volton asked
Speaker 1: about the car barn case, both of them clammed up
Speaker 1: and demanded a lawyer. Not to be deterred, Volton took
Speaker 1: Pettit and Bruffi's mug shots in a photo spread to
Speaker 1: the Chevy Chase ticket office to see if anyone recognized them.
Speaker 1: He spoke with Wilmer Moore the evening Clark. Moore said
Speaker 1: that about three months before the chevy Chase murders, he
Speaker 1: saw a white man sitting on a bench outside the
Speaker 1: office at around one thirty in the morning. He described
Speaker 1: the man as around thirty five five ft eight hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty pounds. At around two fifteen that morning, a
Speaker 1: sedan drove by, going southbound on Connecticut Avenue. When it
Speaker 1: got in front of the office, it slowed to a crawl,
Speaker 1: and Moore said it appeared as if the man on
Speaker 1: the bench waved it on to keep going. He said
Speaker 1: the man stayed on that bench all night long, and
Speaker 1: he last saw him there at around six o'clock in
Speaker 1: the morning. When will Were Moore looked at the photo spread,
Speaker 1: he told detective Bolton that he couldn't be positive, but
Speaker 1: George Bruffy did resemble the man on that bench. Bolton
Speaker 1: pressed for a positive identification, but Moore said he wasn't sure.
Speaker 1: It had been so long ago. No other witnesses came
Speaker 1: forward about Pettit, Bruffy, or Boyle being at the off
Speaker 1: us or being involved in the murders, with no solid
Speaker 1: witnesses or forensics to put any of them there. That
Speaker 1: part of the case stalled once again. The grand jury
Speaker 1: convened and with Officer Hobbs testimony, Lawrence Pettit, George Bruffey,
Speaker 1: and Richard Boyle were all indicted for conspiracy to commit
Speaker 1: armed robbery. It was Valentine's Day. More leads in the
Speaker 1: form of official memorandums were left in a stack on
Speaker 1: Volton's desk. One of them regarding a suspicious car, took
Speaker 1: Brass and Volton to some of the seedier establishments downtown
Speaker 1: that were frequented by the underworld. Detective Brass had been
Speaker 1: working the rackets for years, and he used some of
Speaker 1: his connections which led them to Carlton Williams alias Cody Williams.
Speaker 1: Williams had been arrested on January nine, along with thirteen
Speaker 1: other people, including three women, for an enormous kidnapping, robbery,
Speaker 1: and murder plot. The story at the Washington Post on
Speaker 1: January twenty one, the same day as the Carbarn murders.
Speaker 1: Here's what the article said. Throughout last night and yesterday's
Speaker 1: early morning hours, members of the new police pick up squad,
Speaker 1: armed with rumored reports of the widespread plot descended on
Speaker 1: pool rooms, rooming houses, and other known under world haunts
Speaker 1: to round up nearly a score of suspected gangsters with
Speaker 1: confiscated evidence of planned violence. Officials finally singled out four
Speaker 1: men as the suspected ring leaders. In their possession were
Speaker 1: weapons and implements used to aid in crimes from safe
Speaker 1: cracking to kidnapping. These suspects are held in communicado. They
Speaker 1: were arrested at a downtown restaurant. Lying beside one of
Speaker 1: the men seated at a table, was a leather bag
Speaker 1: that contained four revolvers, a large roll of adhesive tape,
Speaker 1: sheets of sandpaper, a pair of cloth gloves, an assortment
Speaker 1: of bullets, and several keys. Inspector Frank Burke, detective chief,
Speaker 1: described the four men as dangerous and up to no good.
Speaker 1: Cody Williams and the others were planning to kidnap and
Speaker 1: kill a well known DC area gambling kingpin and take
Speaker 1: over the district. The kingpin's name was conveniently left out
Speaker 1: of the Washington Post article, which was something I found
Speaker 1: to be habitual as I continued my research. Several of
Speaker 1: the suspects were released with their promise to get out
Speaker 1: of town, but Cody Williams was held and questioned about
Speaker 1: some of his cohorts from Washington and Baltimore. Detective Brass
Speaker 1: had arrested one of Cody Williams friends years prior on
Speaker 1: a bank robbery charge and found out that he had
Speaker 1: been staying at Cody Williams house, supposedly along with another
Speaker 1: notorious gangster named Tone mek Gino a k a. Tony
Speaker 1: the Stinger. That name Tony the Stinger was synonymous with carnage.
Speaker 1: He had quite the resume and was wanted in three
Speaker 1: states for killing seven people, including a Philadelphia police officer
Speaker 1: and a New York City detective. He had eluded police
Speaker 1: for two years and was still on the run. Hearing
Speaker 1: this information from Cody Williams, Volton and Brass put Tony
Speaker 1: the Stinger on top of their list, even though nobody
Speaker 1: thought that the Carborn case was the work of an
Speaker 1: organized gang. Tony Congino alias Tony the Stinger grew up
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn and started out with the Augae Gang when
Speaker 1: he was a teenager, along with other thugs named Guinea Faced,
Speaker 1: Louis Slats, slat Co, and Blink. They were into gambling,
Speaker 1: bootlegging and small time heist. But Tony the Stinger had
Speaker 1: bigger plans. Things quickly got out of hand. The Aggie
Speaker 1: Gang didn't want the heat brought down by Tony the
Speaker 1: Stinger because he was way too violent. He took delight
Speaker 1: in torturing his victims by slitting their tongues, pulling out
Speaker 1: their fingernails, and burning people over and over again with
Speaker 1: his cigarette. The Aggie Gang kicked into the Curb and
Speaker 1: Stinger went up to Detroit and joined the Purple Gang,
Speaker 1: which was one of the most violent criminal gangs in history.
Speaker 1: They were so violent, in fact, they had a spoken
Speaker 1: understanding with al Capone of Chicago because Capone wanted to
Speaker 1: avoid the massive bloodshed that would occur if he tried
Speaker 1: to take over the Detroit rackets. After a short while,
Speaker 1: Tony the stingers raging temper and brutality got him ousted
Speaker 1: from the Purple Gang. He killed his fellow gang members
Speaker 1: and women with impunity, anyone who he even remotely suspected
Speaker 1: of being unfaithful. He was a psychopath of the highest order.
Speaker 1: After leaving Detroit, he moved to Chicago and was briefly
Speaker 1: a part of al Capone's crime family, but the boss
Speaker 1: quickly realized that Stinger was unmanageable, brutal and bloodthirsty, not
Speaker 1: the type to keep a tight lid on things. Capone
Speaker 1: told Stinger to get the hell out of Dodge. Surprisingly,
Speaker 1: Tony the Stinger he did that advice, and he moved
Speaker 1: to Philadelphia. In Philly, he hooked up with Robert Mayis
Speaker 1: and Walter Legenza and became the de facto leader of
Speaker 1: the try State Gang. Walter Ligenza's psychopathic behavior gave Tony
Speaker 1: the Stingers a run for his money. They were vicious.
Speaker 1: The try State Gang committed a series of robberies and
Speaker 1: murders across Maryland, Virginia, and Pennsylvania. UH detectives Volton and
Speaker 1: Brass wanted to get to Tony the Stinger after they
Speaker 1: got the intel from Cody Williams. If Stinger had been
Speaker 1: in d C during the time of Mitchell's and Smith's murders,
Speaker 1: they could credit themselves with not only solving their own case,
Speaker 1: but with getting a multi state mass murderer off the streets.
Speaker 1: Finding Tony the Stinger co Gino's hideout was the first
Speaker 1: step to give an idea about the kind of information
Speaker 1: that the detectives from d C and Montgomery County had
Speaker 1: to work with when they went on the hunt for
Speaker 1: Tony the Stinger. This is an unsigned letter from a
Speaker 1: confidential informant from the case file quote Tony co Gino
Speaker 1: accompanied Tony Lazone at the Hotel Latasca eight and Fitzwater.
Speaker 1: This connection made through Guinea Faced Louis, who lives on
Speaker 1: Woodlawn Avenue and has a telephone and a hat store.
Speaker 1: Also a fellow named Blink who lives in the thirty
Speaker 1: block of Wharton Street. Tone Burns on Mulberry Street runs
Speaker 1: a pool room or at least part of a pool
Speaker 1: room on the first floor with phone calls received from
Speaker 1: d C slats Slatco. A Philadelphia gangster wanted for murder
Speaker 1: is living on seventy two Street, but his exact address
Speaker 1: is unknown. In Washington, d C. The angle is Ernie Mills,
Speaker 1: who runs a crap game and has a hangout for
Speaker 1: numbers men. The detectives would have better luck at finding
Speaker 1: a specific flee on a camel's ass than finding those men.
Speaker 1: In downtown Philadelphia, there were tens of thousands of gambling, prostitution,
Speaker 1: and bootlegging places hidden all over Philly. Forget it. Ernie Mills,
Speaker 1: the d C guy who ran the crap game. Like
Speaker 1: everyone else, he used an alias, so that went nowhere.
Speaker 1: Sergeant Robert Barrett of the d C Metropolitan Police tossed
Speaker 1: his hat in the ring with confidential information he received
Speaker 1: from an informant that Tony the Stinger had been in
Speaker 1: Dacy recently with a man named Bill Cleary. The informants
Speaker 1: said both of them were currently up in Baltimore. Sergeant
Speaker 1: Stewart Deal from Baltimore piped in and said that he
Speaker 1: had an old informative his own up in Philadelphia that
Speaker 1: could definitely tell him the current location of Tony the
Speaker 1: Stinger Congino. Everybody wanted in when they heard that Tony
Speaker 1: the Stinger was on the board as a potential suspect.
Speaker 1: They got off on a tangent, but the possibility of
Speaker 1: bringing down Stinger was too promising to pass up. If
Speaker 1: they could arrest him, it would mean commendations an advancement
Speaker 1: up the ranks for all of them, So they took
Speaker 1: another road trip, this time to the city of Brotherly Love.
Speaker 1: Volton and Brass met with Philadelphia Police Captain James Malone,
Speaker 1: and they explained the details of the Carbarn case. Captain
Speaker 1: Malone said it sure sounded like the work of Tony Congino,
Speaker 1: and he did have relatives in d C and Baltimore.
Speaker 1: While they were in Philly, Fulton and Brass discovered that
Speaker 1: Bill Cleary had been arrested and was currently being questioned.
Speaker 1: Cleary was the associate who had been in d C
Speaker 1: with Stinger, according to Sergeant Robert Barrett's information. Sergeant Stewart
Speaker 1: Deal headed off on his own to find his informant
Speaker 1: and see if he could ascertain Stinger's current hideout. While
Speaker 1: Deal pounded the streets, Bolton and Brass went to the
Speaker 1: thirty six Precinct to interview Bill Cleary. Cleary readily admitted
Speaker 1: to knowing Tony the Stinger and said they had been
Speaker 1: in d C, maybe in January, maybe in November. He
Speaker 1: wouldn't give exact dates who they met or where they stayed.
Speaker 1: Cleary toyed with the detectives he knew the game too well.
Speaker 1: He stopped short of admitting anything useful, making it impossible
Speaker 1: to place Clearly or Stinger in d C at the
Speaker 1: time of the Carborn murders. But detectives had an ace
Speaker 1: up their sleeve. Or so they thought. They brought a
Speaker 1: witness with them. The witness had positively identified Bill Cleary
Speaker 1: from a photo spread as the suspect in another robbery
Speaker 1: back in the district they wanted clearly extradited back to
Speaker 1: d C, which would be one hell of a feather
Speaker 1: in their caps. Maybe once they got him back in
Speaker 1: familiar territory in their own interrogation room, they could break
Speaker 1: him and get Tony the Stinger's location. But there was
Speaker 1: a problem. Once the witness was face to face with
Speaker 1: Bill Cleary, his memory suddenly got muddy. Now he couldn't
Speaker 1: be sure that clearly was the man who committed the robbery.
Speaker 1: The witness was scared out of his wits and he
Speaker 1: backed off the I D when he realized that Bill
Speaker 1: Cleary now had a positive I D on him. The
Speaker 1: witness got a free trip to Philly out of it,
Speaker 1: and he was put on the train back to d
Speaker 1: d C. Now, with the lack of direct eyewitness identification
Speaker 1: on the d C robbery and with no director forensic
Speaker 1: evidence in Philadelphia to hold him, Bill Cleary was released
Speaker 1: from custody. Meanwhile, Sergeant Stewart Deal found his informant and
Speaker 1: told Bolton and brass that he had information to provide
Speaker 1: about Tony the Stingers whereabouts. They met with a detective
Speaker 1: from the Philadelphia Racket Squad who said that Sergeant Deal's
Speaker 1: informant was completely unreliable and would parrot whatever the police
Speaker 1: wanted to know directly into Tony the Stinger's ear and
Speaker 1: tip him off, which is likely exactly what happened when
Speaker 1: Deal met with the informant and said that d C
Speaker 1: and Baltimore investigators were hot on his trail. The Philadelphia
Speaker 1: detectives had their own informants, and we're working the angles
Speaker 1: on Tony the Stingers movements on their own. They didn't
Speaker 1: need Washington d C and Poe DUNC Montgomery County detectives
Speaker 1: meddling in on their business, especially Lee when they had
Speaker 1: a double homicide that was getting colder by the day
Speaker 1: with no solid ties to anywhere but Maryland and d C.
Speaker 1: Before they called at quits and headed home, they made
Speaker 1: one more attempt to get information on the location of
Speaker 1: Tony the Stinger Cojino. They met with a Philadelphia patrol
Speaker 1: officer who said he'd known Stinger since they were kids
Speaker 1: back in Brooklyn. He said that Stinger's wife had been
Speaker 1: living at ninth and McKee, but that was a while ago.
Speaker 1: The last he heard, Stinger and his wife had been
Speaker 1: staying at the Colonial Tea House in Prince George's County, Maryland,
Speaker 1: and he was likely responsible for the mass shooting that
Speaker 1: happened there back in nineteen thirty one. Nineteen thirty one,
Speaker 1: this information was obviously really outdated. The Colonial Tea House
Speaker 1: shooting happened around Thanksgiving. Fourteen people were lined up on
Speaker 1: a kitchen wall and robbed. Six people were shot and
Speaker 1: one died. The Tea House was a well known gambling
Speaker 1: and prostitution den on the outskirts of the district in Bladensburg, Maryland.
Speaker 1: It was run by a former taxi driver from Baltimore
Speaker 1: who now worked for one of the Philly Mobs. A
Speaker 1: rival gang wanted dibbs and the profits because the Tea
Speaker 1: House was doing mighty good business as a white slave
Speaker 1: operation that rotated women from New York, Philly and other
Speaker 1: East Coast cities. The rival mob busted in and shot
Speaker 1: every one who didn't move out of the way in time,
Speaker 1: including three of the women. It was thought that Tony
Speaker 1: the Stinger Cougino was the master mind behind the takeover,
Speaker 1: but nobody, including the victims, ever talked to the police
Speaker 1: Before Volton, Brass and Deal hit the road back to
Speaker 1: d C. They took the bullets and casings from the
Speaker 1: Carbarn murders to the Philadelphia forensic Lab and asked that
Speaker 1: if any matches were found to a gun in Philly,
Speaker 1: that they be cont acted as soon as possible. They
Speaker 1: headed back to the district crestfallen with nothing to show
Speaker 1: for their efforts except a long list of overtime requests.
Speaker 1: When Detective Bolton got back to his office, he found
Speaker 1: a stack of messages with leads. Some of them were
Speaker 1: weeks old and listed names that had already been interviewed
Speaker 1: and cleared, but there were a few new names that
Speaker 1: needed to be followed up. Two names that got his
Speaker 1: attention were Arthur Waugh and Luke Johnson. Somebody had called
Speaker 1: in and said that Arthur and Luke had been out
Speaker 1: all night on January They lived just two miles north
Speaker 1: of the Carborn office in Kensington. It was all hearsay,
Speaker 1: but since Arthur Waugh and Luke Johnson were not strangers
Speaker 1: to the Montgomery County Police, they brought them in for questioning.
Speaker 1: Luke Johnson was interviewed on March ten. He lived on
Speaker 1: Jones Mill Road, which was a short distance from the
Speaker 1: murder scene and less than a mile from the Connecticut
Speaker 1: Avenue Bridge over Rock Creek. He'd been living there for
Speaker 1: about a month after a fire had destroyed his previous place.
Speaker 1: His wife and his kids had left him and went
Speaker 1: to go live with her mother. Luke was forty four
Speaker 1: years old, mostly out of work, and he was staying
Speaker 1: in a ratty cottage in the woods with holes in
Speaker 1: the floor big enough to toss a cat through. Luke
Speaker 1: had a rough life after serving as an army infantryman
Speaker 1: during World War One. The Depression had made things especially
Speaker 1: difficult to find honest work, and with a wife and
Speaker 1: kids to support, at least until recently, he settled for
Speaker 1: part time manual labor for the Public Works Administration three
Speaker 1: days a week on new roads and pipelines being installed downtown.
Speaker 1: Luke Johnson barely made enough to keep food on the
Speaker 1: table and coal in the stove. During Luke's interview, the
Speaker 1: focus wasn't on him, but rather on Arthur Waugh. Arthur
Speaker 1: was his nephew by marriage, and he lived at Luke's
Speaker 1: cottage most days of the week. Luke said that Arthur
Speaker 1: carried a gun, and when asked what type, Luke said
Speaker 1: it was a rifle that Arthur took his payment for
Speaker 1: helping a friend move. He said that Arthur might have
Speaker 1: a handgun that he didn't know about, but he didn't
Speaker 1: allow guns in his cottage. The detectives focused on the
Speaker 1: night of January to twenty one. Prodding Luke's memory of
Speaker 1: both his and Arthur was whereabouts. Luke said he was
Speaker 1: at the cottage all night long because he had to
Speaker 1: be up early Monday morning to fix some wicker chairs
Speaker 1: at his mother's house. They asked about Arthur and specifically
Speaker 1: if Luke had seen him at all that night. Are
Speaker 1: you sure that Arthur Wall did not stay at your
Speaker 1: cottage on Sunday night. I'm almost positive that he didn't
Speaker 1: stay there on Sunday night. We only had one bed
Speaker 1: and I slept in that myself, and he sat in
Speaker 1: a chair by the fire. I told him when he
Speaker 1: came there that I had no place for him to sleep,
Speaker 1: and he said he'd sit the fire and keep it going.
Speaker 1: Luke said that he did see Arthur on the morning
Speaker 1: of January one at around nine o'clock. Volton asked him
Speaker 1: if Arthur mentioned anything to him about the murders at
Speaker 1: that time, and Luke said no. They didn't discuss it
Speaker 1: until later on that night. The detectives pressed Luke on this,
Speaker 1: since a double murder in Montgomery County that happened right
Speaker 1: down the road from his cottage seemed like a topic
Speaker 1: that wouldn't be that readily dismissed. Luke said that on
Speaker 1: Monday morning, he and Arthur just passed by each other
Speaker 1: in the front yard and he was in a hurry
Speaker 1: to get to his mother's house. Later that night, when
Speaker 1: they did talk about it, Luke said that Arthur seemed
Speaker 1: shocked to hear about it. The word shocked piqued Bolton's attention,
Speaker 1: and he interrupted for clarification. Well, I'd say he was.
Speaker 1: By the way he spoke. He seemed surprised when he
Speaker 1: heard it. It would have been a surprise to anyone
Speaker 1: when they first heard it. I remember I said to
Speaker 1: him that it was coming to the point where it
Speaker 1: was dangerous for a man to even stay in the
Speaker 1: house if he had any money, And he said that
Speaker 1: if anyone had to know if he had any money
Speaker 1: before holding him up that he'd be safe. That was
Speaker 1: Luke's awkward way of saying they were both broke. Detective
Speaker 1: Volton asked Luke how he felt when he first heard
Speaker 1: the news. I was very much disturbed and sorry, maybe
Speaker 1: I'm not expressing myself right. Maybe I don't know exactly
Speaker 1: what you mean by shocked. I haven't got as much
Speaker 1: education as you detectives. Volton followed up and got to
Speaker 1: the point. He asked Luke if he thought Arthur Wall
Speaker 1: was capable of committing the murders. I think he'd do
Speaker 1: anything he thought he could get by with. If he's drinking.
Speaker 1: I don't think he'd hesitate to snatch an automobile or
Speaker 1: something of that sort. Volton asked again, do you think
Speaker 1: he'd go in on a hold up of this nature? No, sir,
Speaker 1: I don't. Volton and Brass pressed Luke numerous times on
Speaker 1: his view of the murders and what he thought happened.
Speaker 1: He said he didn't know, but he would provide any
Speaker 1: information he had in order to help Luke. Johnson's interview
Speaker 1: was four and a half single space typed pages, one
Speaker 1: of the longest in the entire case file. Bolton and
Speaker 1: Brass were nearly two months into the investigation and they
Speaker 1: were getting desperate. They had arrested and interviewed dozens of
Speaker 1: potential suspects only to come up empty. Luke Johnson's information
Speaker 1: didn't sway. His answers were lengthy, but seemed to be
Speaker 1: honest and stayed the same throughout the interview. It didn't
Speaker 1: seem like Luke would be considered as a suspect, but
Speaker 1: they still had to interview Arthur Waugh and see if
Speaker 1: his story aligned with Luke Johnson's. Arthur Waugh was interviewed
Speaker 1: the next day, on March eleven. From the notes, it's
Speaker 1: pretty obvious that Arthur had ants and his pants and
Speaker 1: he was extremely nervous to be talking to the detectives.
Speaker 1: He was twenty nine years old, out of work and desperate.
Speaker 1: He had been couch hopping from Luke Johnson's cottage to
Speaker 1: his brother's houses. They all lived within a couple of
Speaker 1: blocks of one another. Arthur seemed like the type to
Speaker 1: quickly wear at his welcome at one place, then begged
Speaker 1: to stay the night at another. He was a drinker
Speaker 1: and would frequently stay out all night in d C.
Speaker 1: But nobody seemed to know what he was up to
Speaker 1: when he went on a bender. His answers to the
Speaker 1: detectives veered all over the place, from one subject to another.
Speaker 1: It was a virtuoso of verbal vomit. Chief Garrett joined
Speaker 1: Volton and Brass for Arthur's interview. At first they treated
Speaker 1: him with kid gloves, just trying to get his work
Speaker 1: history and where he was living. Arthur pinned from one
Speaker 1: subject to another. At one point he went completely off
Speaker 1: topic and talked about Luke Johnson's trip to get milk
Speaker 1: for his children. He was all over the place and
Speaker 1: the detectives did their best to pin Arthur down as
Speaker 1: to his whereabouts on Sunday night, January twentie to morning
Speaker 1: of Monday one, but he never gave a straight answer.
Speaker 1: He said he was at drill at the Armory, but
Speaker 1: that was on Tuesday. He said he never left Luke's house,
Speaker 1: but couldn't remember exactly what Daisy went out. He was
Speaker 1: at his brother's house, then his other brother's house, then
Speaker 1: back at Luke's cottage. At one point Arthur said, I
Speaker 1: don't remember that morning any more than I would fifty
Speaker 1: years from now. If there's anything I can do to
Speaker 1: help the police, I'd be glad to It's a wonder
Speaker 1: I can remember anything at all. His interview was a disaster.
Speaker 1: The detectives were getting really tired of his KG answers,
Speaker 1: and they cut to the chase on a subject that
Speaker 1: Arthur couldn't evade. They asked him about Emory Smith. Is
Speaker 1: it a fact that in at least two or three
Speaker 1: occasions at night you've stopped and talked with Emory Smith
Speaker 1: at the car Barn and Chevy Chase. Yes, I stopped
Speaker 1: at the car barn and he asked me to He
Speaker 1: asked me to go over. He wanted to talk to me.
Speaker 1: Arthur law knew Emery Smith quite well because Arthur had
Speaker 1: married Emery's first wife, Myrtle