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Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature future production of iHeartRadio. I'm your host

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Speaker 1: of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology and evolutionary biology,

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Speaker 1: and today on the show, we're talking about some of

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Speaker 1: the coolest animals you can find in US national parks.

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Speaker 1: Our national parks are home to some of the most

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Speaker 1: stunning species on the planet and are incredibly important reserves

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Speaker 1: that protect the biological jewels of America. From adorable little

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Speaker 1: cat like critters that look like they came straight out

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Speaker 1: of a Miyazaki film to the goat of Horns who

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Speaker 1: as spiky little guy with biological weaponry. These are just

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Speaker 1: three examples of the amazing animals found in national parks.

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Speaker 1: Discover this and more as we answer the age old

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Speaker 1: question when is a cat not a cat? And a

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Speaker 1: toad not a toad? Joining me today is stand up

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Speaker 1: comedian writer and runs the Facial Recognition Comedy Show at

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Speaker 1: the Comedy Shore. Comedy Shore Comedy Store. Pullavigod All and.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, ohoy mate, We're at the comedy show.

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Speaker 1: You're the Comedy Shore. She shells seashells by the air

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Speaker 1: at the Comedy Shore.

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Speaker 2: Taking a real hit. We're selling seashells now. You know,

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Speaker 2: I barely know where a barely sell her.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, cattlefish, I barely know a fish. This is why

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Speaker 1: you do stand up and I do sit down, Eddy,

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Speaker 1: sit down. Pre recorded comedy.

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Speaker 2: We love it, We love all of it.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, so just for apropos of absolutely nothing. I

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Speaker 1: really wanted to talk about the national parks in the

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Speaker 1: the Gulf of Mexico, I mean the United States. The

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Speaker 1: it is. They're like one of no joke, one of

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Speaker 1: my favorite things about America. And you know they're in

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Speaker 1: danger right now due to funding cuts.

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Speaker 2: Due to apex predators, the white Man.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yeah, venture capitalists are going after our national parks.

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Speaker 1: They are cutting staff for no apparent reason, just like

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Speaker 1: n you know, you're all fired, which is very bad.

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Speaker 2: I saw such a heartbreaking post from a dad who

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Speaker 2: was like, what do I tell my wife as she's

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Speaker 2: crying and I don't have a job, And he like

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Speaker 2: the way he wrote his whole post about it was

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Speaker 2: really beautiful. He was like, yeah, yeah, it's heartbreaking.

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Speaker 1: And I yeah, I have a special place in my

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Speaker 1: heart for park rangers. This really stings, it really sucks.

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Speaker 2: They's also like a key part of Indian culture. You

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Speaker 2: will not ever go to a national park and not

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Speaker 2: see an auntie in a sari with sneakers on. It

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Speaker 2: is very important to our culture to visit national parks,

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Speaker 2: national monuments, to be tourists in all of these areas,

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Speaker 2: just at the gas station nearby, heating up some food

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Speaker 2: that we packed ourselves, and like experiencing being American. Like

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Speaker 2: that is that's what we think America is. We all

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Speaker 2: buy a grill that we never use and we visit

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Speaker 2: national parks.

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Speaker 1: I just don't think you're wrong. Who doesn't like who

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Speaker 1: doesn't like national parks? This is the thing that gets

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Speaker 1: me is I feel like everyone likes national parks. Like

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Speaker 1: everyone wants to go to the Grand Canyon, everyone wants

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Speaker 1: to go to Zion, to the Sequoias. It's everyone has

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Speaker 1: like experience enjoying national parks. They are so in credible

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Speaker 1: and amazing. And even if people are I know, like

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Speaker 1: probably all my listeners care about them also because of

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Speaker 1: conservation and animals. But even if you're just purely selfish,

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Speaker 1: it's just they're amazing to go to and look at.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is like cartoon villain. Yeah, let's find like

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Speaker 2: the things that people love the most you know, national

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Speaker 2: parks flying right side up and let's take it away

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Speaker 2: from them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. By the way, if any of you out there

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Speaker 1: Pod at gmail dot com. I would love to talk

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Speaker 1: to you. Or if you're if you're shy, like some

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Speaker 1: of the animals we're about to talk about, you can

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Speaker 1: write to me and I will share your stories for sure,

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Speaker 1: because I feel like this is super important. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's let's talk about some of the amazing animal that

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Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of these just are not

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Speaker 1: everyone loves a good moose, a good bear that you

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Speaker 1: see at these national parks. But these guys are much

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Speaker 2: So the first one actors that like you see in everything,

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Speaker 2: but you don't know their name, right, like those guys

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Speaker 2: like that one guy the Radar exactly there is in Ghost,

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Speaker 1: He was in Ghost and he was in another movie

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Speaker 1: that guy. You know, yeah, that guy. I know what

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Speaker 1: you're talking that guy, that guy. Well, so this one

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Speaker 1: is amazing. So this is the ringtail cat and this

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Speaker 1: is found in Zion National Park. They're also found in Oregon, California, Nevada, Colorado, Texas, Arizona,

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Speaker 1: New Mexico, Oklahoma, Kansas, Baja California, and Mexico and dry

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Speaker 1: arid regions and Paulavia, I sent you, I sent you

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Speaker 1: a image of one of these little little guys.

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Speaker 2: I got it. Also side note, my dog is partly

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Speaker 2: crazy right now because the people just walk past the

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Speaker 2: has a natural enemy of my apartment building and it's

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Speaker 2: other dogs. But these do these creatures, do these beautiful

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Speaker 2: cats have a natural enemy other than the president?

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Speaker 1: They they do. They actually can be preyed upon by

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Speaker 1: mountain lions, by by large birds of prey raptors. So

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Speaker 1: they are pretty. They can be pretty solitary and elusive

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Speaker 1: ringtail cats, and they kind of look like a cat,

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Speaker 1: they look like a mix between like a cat and

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Speaker 2: They're really beautiful.

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Speaker 1: They're so gorgeous.

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Speaker 2: They're gorgeous, and they look really sweet.

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Speaker 1: They actually have a pretty nice disposition. Apparently they look

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Speaker 1: a little bit like, you know, the like in the

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Speaker 1: Avatar the Last Airbender cartoon, the Little guy Momo kind

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Speaker 2: Actually, I still need to watch Avatar.

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Speaker 2: still it only came out decades ago, but I'm I'm

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Speaker 2: literally That's one of the things where I have this

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Speaker 2: parts of big American pop culture just because of my

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Speaker 2: have like a list of like things that I go

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Speaker 2: other people. And now that I'm thinking that, it might

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Speaker 1: If I have that, but yeah, I'm gonna use I'm

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Speaker 1: going to use neurodivergence next time someone calls me out

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Speaker 2: I gotta I don't think. I don't think that's it.

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Speaker 2: I think it's like the fact that I'm like I

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Speaker 2: or to understand pop culture moments, like I need to

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Speaker 2: consume this as as research on the human subject, like

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Speaker 2: I do.

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Speaker 1: I am. I am going to use it as an excuse.

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Speaker 1: So I already use it as an excuse for parking

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Speaker 1: bad because I did read a study about people with

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's not cool, but it's like to learn

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Speaker 2: about you.

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Speaker 1: It's very cool now. It wasn't cool when it was untreated,

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Speaker 1: but now it's it's a it's doing good. It gives

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Speaker 1: me a good excuse to like run into polls. But so,

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Speaker 1: the the ringtail cat, the cat back to the cat

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Speaker 1: not how it works. So the ringtail cats are not cats.

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Speaker 1: They're actually related to raccoons. Kuwaitis kinkajews and they're in

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Speaker 1: the Procyoniday family. So yeah, they're related to raccoons, not

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Speaker 2: They look like a little raccoon ish liketit. The hands,

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Speaker 2: you gotta get the little hands like yeah, those rifle

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Speaker 1: They do have very agile little hands. They they're actually

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Speaker 1: their ankles can rotate one hundred and eighty degrees. What

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Speaker 1: they can clime trees, they.

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Speaker 2: Can be They're like exorcist hands.

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Speaker 1: They're kind of exorcist hands. Yeah, so technically the exorcist

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Speaker 2: It's all one hundred and eighty So it's not Although

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Speaker 2: they could I.

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Speaker 1: Think that means that they could open doors. So don't

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Speaker 2: Side, you know, honestly, it's our fault for inventing doors.

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Speaker 1: Well, it is our fault for inventing doors. I would

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Speaker 1: of these little guys, one of these green tail cats,

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Speaker 1: because they're super cute, steal all my stuff. They actually

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Speaker 2: The striping looks like raccoons. It does all making so

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Speaker 1: Yes, they're extremely cute. They weigh only around one to

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Speaker 2: I know your audience is like, not the people I'm

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Speaker 2: we need to gate keep these because people are just

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Speaker 2: I mean. I'm like, fortunately said those things. I was like,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Fortunately they're very shy and elusive, so they they're

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Speaker 1: But in terms of in terms of like people trying

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Speaker 1: or minors not under eighteen, not a minor, no, no, exactly.

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Speaker 1: Not people who cannot order or drink at a bar legally,

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Speaker 1: but people who go in these can't.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm kidding.

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Speaker 1: These probably would love to drink some alcohol. They are omnivorous,

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Speaker 1: get their little pause on. But miners, gold miners, other

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Speaker 1: and our school system was like you're learning about gold.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, they would actually kind of quasi tame them,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, keeping the name.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it's like it's just got like little shriveled cherries

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Speaker 1: So it's not in National Park. They're also found in Canada, Alaska,

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Speaker 1: They look like they have seen the universe, you know

434
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 1: what I mean. Then those weird little eyes of theirs.

435
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,880
Speaker 2: And then it looks like their horns like have their

436
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 2: like their intelligence stored in them.

437
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: You know, yes, they do have a little bit of

438
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: the It almost kind of looks like the Twilight's from

439
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 1: Star Wars, you know what I mean. I think that's

440
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: what they're named, the ones with things that Ye Anyway.

441
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 2: That's probably where they got it from with these guys,

442
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 2: because they were everywhere.

443
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: I think the bighorn sheep might be getting sued by

444
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 1: Disney pretty soon here.

445
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 2: Uh, probably we've got to protect bighorn sheep from little

446
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 2: litigationious Disney.

447
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: So bighorn sheep are related to sheep and goats and

448
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 1: thank god, yeah this is I tossed in two animals

449
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 1: or who have deceptive names, but this one, fortunately the

450
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 1: name does fit. So a male's horns are roughly ten

451
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: percent of their body weight, okay, and they weigh over

452
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: three hundred pounds or about that's the whole sheet. Not

453
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: that the horns aren't three hundred pounds yeah, yeah, that

454
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 1: would be incredible shit. But apparently their horns weigh as

455
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,199
Speaker 1: much as all their other bones combined, like their entire skeleton.

456
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 2: That is crazy.

457
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 1: So it's like imagine like wearing a whole other your

458
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: skeleton on your head.

459
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 2: This feels like a kim Kardashian level of uncomfortable outfit

460
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 2: at the met gala. You know what I mean. Yeah,

461
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 2: Like these guys are really putting everything into their horns.

462
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 2: They don't care how uncomfortable it is to carry them.

463
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 2: They're all about it.

464
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: I do actually like wearing a head piece that's an

465
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: entire human skeleton would be kind of dope, like, especially if.

466
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 2: That would actually be more Lady Gaga I think, right anybody.

467
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: Especially if it's like modeled after your own skeleton. That's

468
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: like a real like fierce memento moriy, like really owning it,

469
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: like look what's inside, This is what's inside me, and

470
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: I'm wearing it on my head. Anyways, youse also have horns,

471
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: so use our female big horn sheep.

472
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 2: But they're sure that you were just getting into like

473
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 2: an accent. Like youse also have hornsuse.

474
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: Guys, I'm just a mobster from Chicago. Uh No, they

475
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,439
Speaker 1: also have horns, but they're they're smaller and thinner. The

476
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: reason males have the giant horns sexus. It's sexism for sure.

477
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: It's literally sexual selection. The females are attracted to the

478
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 1: big horns, and also they use them in contests with

479
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: other males to fight for the right to mate, so

480
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: they'll like, you know, bonk each other with the horns.

481
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 2: Or just human males should also hit each other in

482
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 2: the head.

483
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, like just run out each other

484
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: and just massive head bonk uh and and we'll like

485
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: flutter our little fans and like judge you uh I

486
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: like that idea. So uh yeah, they're very They're adept climbers.

487
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: They can scale relatively sheer cliff faces, allowing them to

488
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: escape predator. They're very agile for being such big animals

489
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: and so top heavy. They are surprisingly very very adept,

490
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: very graystile climbers.

491
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 2: Are these like the ones that you see at like

492
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 2: the Hoover Dam, just like scaling like the side of

493
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:35,959
Speaker 2: the or those like goats.

494
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: Those might be mountain goats, but let me check Hoover Dam.

495
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's like the Hoover you know

496
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 2: what I mean, like they.

497
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: Close a mountains, those are those are goat? I believe

498
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: those are mountain goats or let me dam Hoover Yeah,

499
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: I know, I like them. Uh, but yeah, mountain goats

500
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: at the Hoover Dam. That's that might be what those are,

501
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: but there might be but yeah, bighorn sheep are near

502
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: the Hoover Dam. You might see them near there. They

503
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: might scale it a little bit, but the ones that

504
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: can really like get up a dam like get Like.

505
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: Mountain goats are actually really cool. They're related to big

506
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: horn sheep. But mountain goats are not just good climbers.

507
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: They seem to defy gravity. They can hook onto nearly

508
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:35,719
Speaker 1: completely vertical sheer cliff faces, and their little hooves just

509
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,719
Speaker 1: like fit right on there, and it is it is incredible.

510
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,479
Speaker 2: I think the impressive part is that they aren't scared,

511
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 2: because I would be like, I would be the mountain

512
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 2: goat that's like shaking up there. I'd be like, oh,

513
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 2: you guys, But all of them are just like munching

514
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 2: on food.

515
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: It helps to have a small brain. I think, like

516
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: when you have a brain that's big enough to contemplate

517
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: sort of physics, like you start to get worried. But

518
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: then when you're when you have mountain goat brain and

519
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: you're like, I see grass up there, do do do?

520
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: Do do do, and then you just don't think about

521
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: sort of the wid like it's like the wily kayote thing,

522
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: like yeah, wiley coyote where It's like, if you don't

523
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: look down and you don't realize you're supposed to fall,

524
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: physics just bends to your stupid will. So that's that,

525
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: I know. That's I always whenever I saw the wily

526
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: coyote thing, it's like, well, if he just like keeps

527
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: thinking he won't fall, then he won't fall.

528
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 2: So, oh my god, that's such a wonderful moral that

529
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 2: coyote taught children.

530
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: Right, I used to. I tried the wily coyote thing.

531
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: I thought if I like jumped off of like uh

532
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: the like stairsteps and but didn't look down, maybe I

533
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: would have her in mid air. But it didn't work.

534
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: I try to find gravity, Oh boy. I also tried

535
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: to hold an umbrella up and see if that would

536
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: help me slow down, but it didn't do.

537
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 2: You know what, the most cartoonish thing I ever did.

538
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 2: I was born in Texas and we.

539
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: Had already pretty cartoonish but go.

540
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 2: Pretty cartoonish, I know, but we had these like big

541
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,719
Speaker 2: fields up front, like I have just like the weirdest memory.

542
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 2: I was literally like two probably, so it's like probably

543
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 2: one of my first memories. And like me and my

544
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,479
Speaker 2: brother and the neighbor kids we would take like like

545
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 2: flat cardboard boxes and hold them up above our heads

546
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 2: to get make the wind pick us up yep, and

547
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 2: like I would. I was the one who would fly

548
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: the farthest because I was the smallest one. I was

549
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 2: like literally too, I was like, that is That's the

550
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 2: most cartoonish shit I've ever done.

551
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: That's amazing. I would give anything to see a two

552
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: year old just getting launched into the air by cardboard.

553
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: I know that sounds you got some sick air, and

554
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: that sounds amazing. So yeah, bighorn sheep teach us a

555
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: lot about the importance of conservation. They almost died out

556
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: completely in the nineteen hundreds due to over hunting and disease.

557
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: Their populations dwindled to just like around one thousand, but

558
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: they made a miraculous comeback did to the national park

559
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: system and conservation efforts, and now big horn sheep populations

560
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: are used as signals for the overall health of the environment.

561
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: They're highly responses. They're highly responsive to environmental changes such

562
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: as like say, if you have too much fire suppression,

563
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: say in a national park, not enough wildfires, they actually

564
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: get preyed upon more because you have more bushy scrub

565
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: that predators like bears, wolves or mountain lions can use

566
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: as coverage to ambush the bighorn sheep. So it's really interesting.

567
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 2: I also use bushy scrub as coverage. Okay, whoa, whoa,

568
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 2: whoa cooglar over here?

569
00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: Meow? All right? Well side uh the yes angela Mrkin

570
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: the former German chancellor uh merkele uh uh so yeah,

571
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: so it shows how the there's a delicate balance, right, Like,

572
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: so sometimes we use fire suppression tactics, right because hey,

573
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: you don't want stuff to be on fire, But then

574
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: when you do it too much, then you have overgrowth

575
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: of scrub, and then that affects the population of these

576
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: bighorn sheep because predators have more spots to hideen. Conversely,

577
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: if you have too much fire, then predators don't have

578
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: enough spots to hiden, and then the predators suffer. Right,

579
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: It's not all about like thwarting the predators. The predator's

580
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: populations are super important as well.

581
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't want no scrubs because a scrub

582
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 2: is a guy, get no love for me. So I

583
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 2: feel like those are predators, you know.

584
00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go, there you go. So uh yeah,

585
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: I mean it is. It's really important. Also, the thin

586
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: horn sheep that I mentioned earlier also an indicator species

587
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: because they live in colder climates, like in high altitudes.

588
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: Climate change affects colder climates pretty significantly because you suddenly

589
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: get these big shifts and vegetation. So the behavior and

590
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: population changes in thin horn sheep are indicators of overall

591
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,240
Speaker 1: environmental health. So they're called an indicator species. Really important

592
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: to track them, and in order to track them you

593
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 1: need staff at national parks. So yeah, I think it's

594
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: just like in the same way that I'm going to do.

595
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: I promise you this is a metaphor that makes sense

596
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: in the same way that like we have to I'm

597
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: here for now. Now I don't write opinion columns for

598
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 1: The New York Times. My metaphors make sense. But the

599
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: way in which like our environment works, right, Like if

600
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: you pull out a species or or affect a population

601
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 1: and then it has this Janga tower effect of like

602
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: affecting everything in that chain. Like it's a similar situation

603
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 1: with the way that like, okay, if you just fire

604
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,240
Speaker 1: a bunch of park rangers, you know, without thought, without

605
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: any I mean, you should never just fire a bunch

606
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: of park rangers because they're awesome, but also like all

607
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: the things that they do, all the all the important

608
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,280
Speaker 1: functions that they do to like keep uh, the national

609
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: parks functioning. It's we're probably not gonna like immediately see

610
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: the impacts, but we're gonna see them, and they will

611
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: not be good in the same way that say, like

612
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: if you if there's too much wildfire or too little wildfire,

613
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: you'll see these like fluctuations or population crashes happening in

614
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: these these magnificent animals. So you know, that's that's my metaphor.

615
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: The the ecosystem of animals is similar to the ecosystem

616
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: of federal workers, and I am very concerned about it.

617
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 2: It's also a thing where like you don't see the

618
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 2: effects right away, so then people will blame like if

619
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 2: there is an next administration, a next administration, rather than

620
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 2: like realizing that cause and effect takes it like a minute.

621
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 2: You know.

622
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's it really frustrates me. It's

623
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: it's very infuriating. But yeah, uh, you know, maybe we

624
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: should take the a key a que a clue. Maybe

625
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 1: we should take advice from the big horn sheep and

626
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: just grow massive horns. On our head and start headbutting everyone.

627
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break, and when we

628
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: get back, we're going to talk about a little critter

629
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: who has a bioweapon. All right, So, uh, I don't

630
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: want to cause the United States to try to do

631
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: an invasion of national parks. However, it is true that

632
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: there is an animal that does have a bioweapon.

633
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 2: It's me, Twist, it's me quick, tell the FBI ah

634
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:19,760
Speaker 2: on my phone.

635
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh he's been fired. So you know the horn

636
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: lizard also known as the horny toad, which is a

637
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: pretty bad name. Yeah, they're not toads, so they're not.

638
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 2: The whole time, I thought they were two different First

639
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 2: I thought they were two different things. No, and then

640
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 2: so they named Okay, is it scientists naming these things

641
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 2: because we have to do better? To do better?

642
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: I mean, I think scientists named them horned lizard to

643
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: clarify it. But they used to be called horny toads

644
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: because people didn't know the difference.

645
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I think we need to take the ornithologists

646
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 2: that study birds. We need to take the people, and

647
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 2: we need them to start naming the other animals because

648
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 2: today we had so many misnomers and the horny bird

649
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 2: people they like they'll name they'll be like the big

650
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 2: breasted tint, you know what I mean, Like they'll just

651
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 2: make a hornyird.

652
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it.

653
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 2: Looks like that, you know what I mean. Like I mean, these.

654
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: Are these are literally horned lizards, so getting some hornybird

655
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: people on it would probably be helpful. So horned lizards

656
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 1: are found in Mexico and North America. They are a

657
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: genus of lizards with about twenty one species, fifteen of

658
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 1: which are found in the US, and are a common

659
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: sight in Well. They're a little elusive, but they can

660
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: be found in many national parks, such as Bryce Canyon,

661
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: UH and Arizona's Petrified Forest National Park.

662
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 2: They are so scared. It's so scared of being cut.

663
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: Look at that liard, it's got too many angles.

664
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 2: Bring our parks back, please.

665
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 1: So horned lizards are spikey. They range from a grayish

666
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: gravel color to a tan color depending on their habitat.

667
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: They're really really cool looking. They're very They've got these

668
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 1: wicked looking spikes. They kind of look like tiny dragons,

669
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: but they're actually harmless. They don't have any venom. Their

670
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: main defense is staying still and hoping nobody notices them,

671
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: which is.

672
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 2: My favorite tack in the green room of a comedy clubs.

673
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: Exactly like whenever I go to a party and it's

674
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: like like I know one person there and then they

675
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: freaking abandon me. They're like, oh, come to this right

676
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: and then I go there and then they're like, oh,

677
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go talk to this person. It's like you

678
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: you brought me here. I am like your baby right now,

679
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: you abandoned me.

680
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 2: Parties. Parties are meant to like bring someone to talk

681
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 2: to one person.

682
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: Yes, that was my understanding. This is why I agreed

683
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: to come. I was gonna be I was basically going

684
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: to be like a little puppy and follow you around

685
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: and have you introduced me to people.

686
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 2: This is why every party should have one dog. Okay,

687
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 2: so that for people like us who just want to

688
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 2: talk to the dog.

689
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, oh is this your dog, I'm gonna I'm

690
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: gonna form a connection with them because uh yeah. That

691
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: My problem is not that I I'm actually I quite

692
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 1: like people and I like meeting people. It is the

693
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 1: thing of like when two people are talking, is when

694
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: do I When do I approach and do I stand there,

695
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: and when do I start laughing at what they're saying.

696
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if no one's ever taught me that.

697
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 2: Do you remember how we talked about neurodivergence earlier in I.

698
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 1: Don't see how this. I'm not sure. I don't I

699
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: don't understand what point.

700
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: I also, also, this is a tip. I just started

701
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 2: inserting myself into conversations and being like, hey, I'm just

702
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 2: gonna be in this conversation now and then. Yeah, people

703
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 2: are generally welcoming and if they're not, well, yeah, there's

704
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 2: always roasting them.

705
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,240
Speaker 1: Or you can take a page from the horned lizard's

706
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: book and inflate your body to look big and scary

707
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,720
Speaker 1: despite only being about the size of an adult human's palm,

708
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: so they will, yeah, just like, oh you won't talk

709
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: to me, raw, no big ignore.

710
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I would love to do that, Oh

711
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 2: my god. Yeah amazing.

712
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 1: Also, if that fails, there are eight species of horned

713
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: lizards who will have a special extra technique, and that

714
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: is that they squirt blood out of their eye sockets.

715
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 2: Okay, when you said out of the eyes, I do

716
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 2: squirt blood, but not out of there. So yeah, when

717
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 2: I am disruped.

718
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: It sounds like it's still it still sounds pretty skilled.

719
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, they will block the blood flow in their

720
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: head and then force it through ruptured vessels around their

721
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: eyelids at high pressures, allowing them to allowing them to

722
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: shoot jets of blood up to five feet or one

723
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,240
Speaker 1: and a half meters away.

724
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say this, This might be a stretch, but

725
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 2: I do think they're a little bit more anti social

726
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 2: than you. Honestly, he knows, just a dad, but I

727
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 2: think they're beating you on this.

728
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: I if I was able to shoot jets of blood

729
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: out of my eyes, I might have never been forced

730
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 1: to learn to be more gregarious, because, man, can you

731
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: like every awkward social interaction you're just like, well, you know,

732
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: it's like an Irish goodbye, but a lot more cleaning involved.

733
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 2: I like the idea of like, oh my god, Katie

734
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 2: just spewed again.

735
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:38,240
Speaker 1: Not again.

736
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 2: Kay, You're like, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it.

737
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's a way to startle predators, and it has

738
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: a nasty taste and smell that certain predators don't like.

739
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: They these this is the.

740
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,439
Speaker 2: Freak predators that like it.

741
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 1: Birds apparently don't care. Apparently, like wrap will they do?

742
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: Birds are?

743
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 2: They're us like the scientists that name them there freaks.

744
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: They're a little freaks. They they don't really care. They

745
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: they don't have a good sense of smell. So when

746
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: the if they try to get spray a predatory bird

747
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 1: with this business, they're just like, oh season like sauce. Yeah,

748
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:23,280
Speaker 1: sauce scha nice? Uh So yeah, they the horned lizards

749
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: have a diet of harvester ants which are somewhat toxic.

750
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,959
Speaker 1: Uh And it's thought that possibly that diet might help

751
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: their blood taste worse. So yeah, it's it's like basically

752
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 1: squirting a hot sauce out of your eyes that's made

753
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: out of your blood, which you know, that's I think that.

754
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: Did you ever have one of those kids in your

755
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: class where they were able to like manipulate their the

756
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: the tear ducts in their eyes and like squirt water

757
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 1: out of their eye?

758
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 2: No, I thought you were gonna say, gleeking like with

759
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 2: the saliva thing.

760
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,040
Speaker 1: I've seen that. Yeah, there's a kid. I think I

761
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: did both of it, and it was.

762
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I've never heard of that before.

763
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,439
Speaker 1: It was gross. I didn't like it or the kid

764
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: that could like turn their eyelids inside out.

765
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there was that kid.

766
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,760
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, a lot of Honestly, we don't talk.

767
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 2: Enough about body horror in elementary schools.

768
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff that I made

769
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:25,240
Speaker 1: me not want to go to school, like people squirting

770
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: fluids out of their faces, like you know, I feel

771
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: like that's not a conducive environment to learn about the

772
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:40,760
Speaker 1: American Civil War. So another aspect of the horned lizards

773
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: is that they have scales that are highly not just

774
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 1: the spiked ones, but they have these very tiny scales

775
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: that form these micro channels that help wick moisture from

776
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: the air and funnel it into their mouth. It's such

777
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: a yeah, it's such an ingenious design that scientists are

778
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: trying to replicate artificial versions, which could help in a

779
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: lot of applications. It could be like anything from like

780
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 1: water collection systems like to breweries. I don't really know

781
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: how a brewery would use this, but breweries you probably know,

782
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: or reducing condensation in medical devices, so like making it

783
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: easier to make beer or medical devices. It a win

784
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: wind to help after you drink like a lot of beer,

785
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: right right, Like drink a lot of beer and then

786
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 1: you can have an artificial kidney. But yeah, I mean

787
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: their ability, these lizards ability to use water in their

788
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: bodies is so efficient. They don't have a separate urinary bladder.

789
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,439
Speaker 1: They only expel waste in their feces, Like they don't

790
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: need to peek because they just use water so good.

791
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I mean they're squirting it out of

792
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 2: their blood eyes. But like, yeah, that's very efficient.

793
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's absolutely incredible. And again it.

794
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 2: Would save me at least three hours a day if

795
00:45:59,520 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 2: I could.

796
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: We can research these guys figure out how not to pee.

797
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: I mean again, like this is there. There's a concept

798
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: which is that like with animals, because they are the

799
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: products of millions of years of evolution, they contain a

800
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: lot of information. And I obviously, if you've made it

801
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: this far in the podcast, you just love animals, so

802
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: you don't need another reason to want to protect them.

803
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 2: Or it also contains a lot of information, so that's

804
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 2: why they listened.

805
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: That's true, so that they're trying to write down like,

806
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 1: all right, which animals do we gotta gotta exploit? H No,

807
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: But it's it's a it is a it's like there's

808
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,280
Speaker 1: a library of potential information. Right, So, like, if animals

809
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: go extinct and or we lose them, or we aren't

810
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 1: able to, you know, research them because we've laid off

811
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 1: everyone who might be able to research them, we lose

812
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: so much information that can very selfishly help humanity, right. Like,

813
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: There's a a great example of this is there's this

814
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: frog called the gastric brooding frog, and they would keep

815
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: their offspring in their gut like in their stomachs, and

816
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: somehow their digestive juices would not burn their tadpoles alive.

817
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: And then once the little tadpoles grew into froglets, they

818
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: could like come out of the adult frog's mouth. But

819
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,240
Speaker 1: like the whole the like figuring out.

820
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 2: I thought that's how we gave birth to Oh well,

821
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna have to talk to Polavi after

822
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 2: the show.

823
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:43,240
Speaker 1: Oh no, but yeah, if we if we hadn't lost

824
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 1: this animal, like, we might have been able to do

825
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 1: more research onto things like ulcers, gastro esophageal reflux disease.

826
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 2: We lost.

827
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 1: It's super sad, It's really really sad. And so right now,

828
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: horned lizard populations are declined due to suburban sprawl land development,

829
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 1: the pet trade, invasive species of vegetation without they depend

830
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: so much on our national parks, and like if we

831
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: lose our national parks or if our national parks are

832
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: just left to sort of be exploited, I don't know

833
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: that the horned lizards would survive that, like honestly, so

834
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: it's very concerning to me. And again, like I know

835
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,439
Speaker 1: all of you out there just love animals and want

836
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: the best for them for their own sake. But it's

837
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: also like if you're ever talking about someone who's like,

838
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 1: why would I care about a horned lizard, It's like

839
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:38,320
Speaker 1: there's so much potential interesting research that could be derived

840
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: from them, Like semaglutide was derived from kila monsters. So

841
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 1: it's it's just all of these like developments in human

842
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 1: medicine and technology, a lot of it comes from our

843
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: understanding of animals, and so just from a selfish perspective

844
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: of wanting cool stuff or medical advancements should make people

845
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: care about them.

846
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 2: But you know, souf we name the monsters after using

847
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:03,720
Speaker 2: them for semi gluten.

848
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, also for also for anticoagulants, which are.

849
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, also it's for the no I know you

850
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 2: were listening just the selfish reasons, but for the non

851
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 2: selfish reasons. It's like, why are we freaking up the

852
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 2: world so bad? We're just one creature. Yeah, why do

853
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 2: we have a right to completely destroy other animals?

854
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: It's yeah, no, I mean, I I agree, I think

855
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:36,760
Speaker 1: it's messed up, but it's uh yeah, so i I'm

856
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm I'm just upset about the the uh,

857
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: park rangers being laid off because there's some of the

858
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: coolest people out there. Honestly, like, park rangers are a

859
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: national treasure. Like if you've ever been in a national

860
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: park and you're like, oh, like I stepped in poop,

861
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 1: and they're like, actually, that's the poop of like this

862
00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: rare mountain goat or like this incredible like kuwaiti or

863
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: you know, like oh, actually, all right, so now my

864
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: day is not ruined by poop. I've been educated and

865
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:10,240
Speaker 1: this is really cool. Uh. And yeah, they've like they

866
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 1: save people's lives when they go on hikes and like,

867
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,280
Speaker 1: I have a hydrated.

868
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 2: Been saved by a part I'm telling me not to

869
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 2: do something really dumb.

870
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have like like when like they they are

871
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 1: the reasons that people can enjoy this mostly untouched nature

872
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 1: in such an intimate, wonderful way. And so I'm again

873
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:36,720
Speaker 1: if you're if you are a former current park ranger

874
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: or no one uh and you'd like to get in

875
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: touch with me for to share your story. You can

876
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: write to me a Creature feature pod at gmail dot com.

877
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 1: I need their love, to have you on the on

878
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 1: the show, or read your emails, whatever would work best

879
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: for you. Guys. I just you know, man, I am

880
00:50:56,080 --> 00:51:00,280
Speaker 1: I'm a little pisd. I'm just I want to squirt

881
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: blood out of my eyes up to five feet away.

882
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like that's but that's you like base level,

883
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 2: you know.

884
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna start out. I'm gonna start out with

885
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: blood squirting out of my eyes and then we'll go

886
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: from there.

887
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 2: We'll go from there. We'll see what we need to do.

888
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:20,240
Speaker 2: I do want to say like a positive thing. I

889
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 2: really went through the five stages of grief about this

890
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 2: gastric brooding frog you told me about it. I was like,

891
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 2: this is horrific because I don't like thinking about extinct

892
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 2: animals because it makes me so sad. But Australian scientists

893
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 2: in twenty thirteen, according to Wikipedia, created a living embryo

894
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 2: from non living preserved genetic material. And then people from

895
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 2: the University of Newcastle they've also successfully freezed and thawed

896
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 2: tote to potent amphibian embryonic cells, so they have a

897
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 2: proof of concept for threatening and extinction. Yeah, attempts. But

898
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,280
Speaker 2: here's the thing. If we don't have the same people

899
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 2: that are trying to get rid of park rangers are

900
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 2: also trying to get rid of scientific funding, and so

901
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,359
Speaker 2: we can't just automatically bring species back to life. All

902
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 2: of I feel like all of the attempts people who

903
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 2: are believe in climate change, people who are trying to

904
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 2: save the animals, people are trying to save people in parks,

905
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 2: Like they're all on like a certain side of the

906
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 2: spectrum of politics, and they all like are working together

907
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 2: and not trying to you know, like you can't just

908
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 2: assume that scientists are going to bring back extinct species

909
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 2: because the same people that are working against park rangers

910
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 2: are working against them.

911
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, no, it's it's in you know, like if

912
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,240
Speaker 1: you have sort of like these samples, right, Like that's

913
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: one of the things that's scary about like a sudden

914
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,359
Speaker 1: loss in funding is like where are you storing these

915
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: like samples or these embryos and stuff like, well they're

916
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: they're they have to be preserved and stored. And so

917
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,240
Speaker 1: if you suddenly like pull the plug on some research

918
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,919
Speaker 1: like things can just get destroyed.

919
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 2: To the point where you can, yeah, like where are

920
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:05,280
Speaker 2: we keeping the information?

921
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:10,240
Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely so send a picture of that poor little

922
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: uh tortilla sauce covered ringtail cat to your senator today.

923
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: So before we go, let's play a little game to

924
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 1: you know, you know, let's end on a positive note,

925
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 1: which is that animals sound fun. We're gonna play a

926
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 1: little game called guests Who's squawk in the Mystery Animal

927
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: Sound game. Every week I play mystery animal sound and

928
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: you the listener to you, the guests try to guess

929
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: who is making that sound. Last week's Mystery animal sound,

930
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 1: the hint was this, don't stick your head in the

931
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 1: sand for this one, all right, you got any guesses, Pulvi,

932
00:53:55,000 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: that sounds kind of like owl y cowy, interesting like booting.

933
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: That is that is a really interesting guess. And you

934
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 1: are on the right track because this is a bird,

935
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: but this is actually an ostrich.

936
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:14,280
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

937
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. Congratulations to Aaron Kay and Mary d. For guessing correctly.

938
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: This is a male ostrich booming male ostriches.

939
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 2: Three boom boom like that like that TikTok guy three booms,

940
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 2: I give that five booms. That guy the rizzler, What

941
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 2: is it? I don't know.

942
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: I'm not on TikTok enough to know this, but I.

943
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 2: Barely I know it from like memes on other social medias.

944
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 1: But this is a male ostrich booming. Male Ostriches make

945
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 1: this sound to stick out their territorial or to try

946
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: to attract the ladies. And don't lie to me. Listening

947
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: to this, you're a little bit interested, right like, oh yeah,

948
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: that sounds like a hot and sexy ostrich. If the

949
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: female is impressed, the male might have a chance to

950
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 1: offer a mating dance where he flutters his beautiful fluffy

951
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: feathers around like a burlesque dancer, and if she's impressed,

952
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 1: she will allow him to mate with her. Uh So,

953
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 1: you know ostriches really they.

954
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 2: Just went to the Liver Living Desert Zoo in Palm

955
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 2: Desert and I got to feed giraffes and it was

956
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 2: like a holistic experience for me. And then we saw

957
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 2: them running. First of all, giraffes run like they're inslaw

958
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 2: motion like the whole time, like it's not slowed down

959
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 2: at all. They just like run like that. And then

960
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 2: also I think they were like it looked like ostriches

961
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:38,240
Speaker 2: from Afar in the same little area as the giraffes,

962
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 2: and it was really cool to see them like be

963
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 2: in the same spot and like interact.

964
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 1: It was the long next squad. Yeah for long next,

965
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:48,280
Speaker 1: long next.

966
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 2: Squad, long neck hive.

967
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: Rise up, all right onto this week's mister animal sound.

968
00:55:54,640 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 1: The hint is this, some people just have a prickly personality.

969
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 2: Okay, I think I know it from contact closed.

970
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, anythink right, You're absolutely correct, but yes, the I

971
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: will I will quack out the correct answer, but everyone

972
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 1: will know POLIVI was right.

973
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 2: Yay.

974
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: You win the satisfaction of knowing that you are one

975
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,280
Speaker 1: with mother nature.

976
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 2: That's huge for me.

977
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 1: This is crazy.

978
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:28,760
Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever gotten one of these riders,

979
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:29,760
Speaker 2: which really happy.

980
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 1: Yes, it's fantastic gifts. Absolutely correct. If you think you

981
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 1: know who's making that sound, you can write to me

982
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: at Creature feature pot at gmail dot com. Also, if

983
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: you you are or no park rangers and you want

984
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 1: to share your stories. Also get in touch with me

985
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: there creature feature pot at gmail dot com. Uh POLIVI

986
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining me the gate to

987
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 1: joining me today. Where can people find you?

988
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 2: I'm at Paula Viganalan p A L l A v

989
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 2: I g U n A l A n everywhere except

990
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 2: this time just call it, which is cool.

991
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: Whoa you got in there? I wish I had just

992
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 1: gotten Katie. I won Katie.

993
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,800
Speaker 2: Pretty early, and then I just didn't use it for

994
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 2: a year. But now I'm like, you think it a

995
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 2: lot since it's fun and yeah, I run with my

996
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 2: friends a show at the comedy store called DATS Recognition Comedy.

997
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 2: I'm also like, I really need you guys to follow

998
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 2: me on social media and like come to my shows

999
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 2: because I am unemployed, okay, like many park rangers right now,

1000
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 2: and I am trying to tour and so I'm going

1001
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 2: to like Portland, I'm gonna go to SS I'm going

1002
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 2: to text it like I'm trying to tour. I have

1003
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 2: two dogs. Okay, dog sitting is expensive. You guys are

1004
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 2: animal lovers, Please sponsor my dogs. Okay, so come to shows,

1005
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 2: pay me money, help me do this profession.

1006
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 1: Like take the most pathetic photo of your dogs as

1007
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: you can of them.

1008
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 2: Looking I'm so sad a picture of me wet in

1009
00:57:58,240 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 2: afternoon tortilla.

1010
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 1: A greetin a tortilla factory gets stuck in it.

1011
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 2: I have the grease. I'm constantly around stuck.

1012
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: In a grease tube and then get rescued and then

1013
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 1: start like be like, come to my comedy show. Otherwise

1014
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: I have to resort to licking tortilla grease out of

1015
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: a tube.

1016
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,959
Speaker 2: One hundred. That's already me right now, So I'm gonna

1017
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 2: post it.

1018
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: Guy. If you want to save pull A B from

1019
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: a fate of being stuck in tortilla factory grease tubes,

1020
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 1: go to her shows. Check her out. Hell yeah, thank

1021
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: you guys so much for listening. If you're enjoying the

1022
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Speaker 1: show and you leave a rating your review that tangibly

1023
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Speaker 1: helps me. Thanks to the Space Classics for their super

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Speaker 1: awesome song x so Lumina. Creature features a production of

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Speaker 1: Apple podcasts, or hey, guess what wherever you listen to

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Speaker 1: your favorite shows. I can't tell you what to do.

1031
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: I'm not your mother, but do try not to get

1032
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Speaker 1: stuck in a tortilla factory grease pipe. It's you will

1033
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Speaker 1: have to get so many babs, so many babs. All right, guys,

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Speaker 1: see you next Wednesday,