1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephane. 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:18,959 Speaker 1: Never told you a protection of I heart radio. Yes, 3 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 1: and happy Monday everyone. If you're listening to this on 4 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: a Monday when it's released, it's not happy day. Happy 5 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: day to you. Um. And we were back with a 6 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: bit of rest and vacation time that we just had, 7 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 1: which was lovely. Annie, what did you do? I got 8 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: to go on my annual beach trip with my great 9 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 1: close friends that I've had since I was in um 10 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 1: elementary school and we participated in our own Olympics and 11 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 1: they were a delight. And I came in third and 12 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: I think I was robbed, but that's all. Oh third, 13 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: not even second. Oh, Samantha, I don't need you rubbing 14 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: it in. I had a very my start was bad 15 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: of the day, I'll admit at a very poor performance 16 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: in the balancing dice act. Terrible. Oh no, you're kind 17 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 1: of shaky, that makes sense. In my raft race, I 18 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,479 Speaker 1: did really well and uh oh end up putting out 19 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: the candles with the water gun. Top notch gold medal 20 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: for me. That's that's pretty smart, although there could be 21 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: probably disadvantage as if this windy. Yeah, we had to 22 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: find a very strategic place. I love that. Yeah, and 23 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: we just spend time with family and he just got 24 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: to swim a lot, so it's yes. And you've never 25 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: seen pizza swim. You should go see my instagram because 26 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: it's quite cute and I love it. And we had 27 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: to buy her little booties so that she didn't rough 28 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: up her paws because the bottom of the swimming pool 29 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: is pretty rough. And so yeah, I have pictures of 30 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: my dog swimming and booties, just so you know. And 31 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: you know what, let's just be honest. I think everyone 32 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: is in dire need of rust, especially in the past 33 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: several years, and just overall, there's been so much conversation 34 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: of how taking a rest is often discouraged or seen 35 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: as a week. But that's the whole other episode and 36 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: we're not gonna talk about that today. But we do 37 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: want to talk about what many have been experiencing for 38 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: a while now, which is collected trauma. And we're gonna 39 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: go a little broader than that because as we were 40 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,839 Speaker 1: researching it, not too much in the research is coming 41 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: about how it affects women specifically, and I'm sure it's 42 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: coming around, don't get me wrong, But again, we did 43 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: want to see a little bit about the definition and 44 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: just let you know that all that anxiety and that 45 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: trauma that you feel is legitimate and there's a reason 46 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: for it. Um And we spoke about it briefly in 47 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: other episodes, especially when we did our Trauma series when 48 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: I first started on, and I think it's really important 49 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: that we talk about it more because a we need 50 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: to de stimatize any kind of mental health conversations in 51 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: general and just talk about why it's broader than we think, 52 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: and also just about how it does take a toll 53 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: as a public health crisis, and we don't do that enough. 54 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: So for me, who has been in my field in 55 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: a long time, I am an advocate, a strong advocate 56 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: in making sure that we are addressing these things and 57 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: being able to recognize it. So, yeah, but we did. Again, 58 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: like I said, I want to take a little bit 59 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: of a deeper look and just a little bit of 60 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: a reminder of what it is as well as just 61 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: just so you realize, we're not going to go in 62 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: depth about any specific situations that could cause trauma or 63 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: like it does cause anxiety, but we are going to 64 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 1: kind of mention some of the past things that could 65 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: bring on the type of collective trauma just let you know. Yeah, So, 66 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: to begin with, what is collective trauma? According to psychology today, 67 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,119 Speaker 1: collective trauma refers to quote the impact of a traumatic 68 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: experience that effects It involves entire groups of people, communities, 69 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: or societies, and it is something that can have consequences 70 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: within these communities. It can affect relationships, policies, and even 71 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:58,119 Speaker 1: governmental processes. It can change how society functions or even operates, 72 00:03:58,120 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: and may even change what is considered to be the 73 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: social norm. And a bit more in depth, collective trauma 74 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: is quote a response that can follow a variety of 75 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: traumatic experiences, and this includes things like wars, natural disasters, pandemics, 76 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: systemic and historical oppression, and mass shootings and other events. 77 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: And though it may be felt collectively, the experiences vary 78 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 1: for each individual, and the pandemic has been something that 79 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: has clearly shown the good and bad of these responses right. 80 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: And with the continued stories of sexual violence and trauma, 81 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,799 Speaker 1: as we're hearing more and more stories and or people 82 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: are actually coming out and fighting against those who are abusers, 83 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 1: women have continued to have layered effects of collective trauma 84 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: within the last years. But it isn't just the collective 85 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: trauma that continues to weigh many people down who have 86 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,919 Speaker 1: been affected by these stories and situations, but it's also 87 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: the vicarious trauma, which is hearing all these stories that 88 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: are way too familiar, especially when it comes to sexual assault, harassment, violence, 89 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 1: and abuse. So vicarious trauma is just being able to 90 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: relate through something else someone else has go on through 91 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: um And I know we've talked about that during the 92 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 1: Kavanaugh hearing, and we're talking about it again as the 93 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: FBI has now shown reports that they did not handle 94 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 1: the cases and or incident reports to any actual investigation. 95 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: So I think that's kind of rebringing it up some 96 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: of the things, especially with Dr Ford coming back out 97 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 1: saying they completely mishandled this and I didn't get the 98 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: justice that I deserve. Uh, And she's completely right. And 99 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: it is this level of being physiologically linked by experiencing 100 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,799 Speaker 1: these emotions, anxieties, and traumas of others, which is often 101 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: a layer of the collective trauma that continues when larger 102 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: vicarious traumagic situations occur. It's a lot, y'all, But what's 103 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: more is the depth of how the patriarchal structures that 104 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: becomes the platform of why women and non binary people 105 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: are suffering from the depth of collective trauma. And while 106 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: we're talking about the effects of the patriarch apparently there 107 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: is a thing called the patriarchal stress disorder. Is fairly new, 108 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: it's just recently coined. And yes, we are definitely coming 109 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: back to this in a different episode, so look out 110 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: for it. Yes, But within these layers, we have to 111 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 1: look at the intersectionality of the continued piling on of 112 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: trauma that causes overwhelming crises within different communities. As the 113 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 1: police violence against the black community and b I p 114 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 1: O c continue, we watch as the world keeps inflicting 115 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 1: a level of suffering in a power play for white supremacy, 116 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: was seemingly little to no justice to be seen. The 117 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: small victories of justice are sometimes smeared by victim blaming 118 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 1: tactics that are often used against those who aren't here 119 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: to defend themselves. And it's not new, but it is 120 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: a reason for us to see this as a public 121 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: health crisis collected trauma by curious trauma and racial trauma, 122 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 1: which is what is happening for the communities that keep 123 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: having to screen. Black Lives Matter and being pushed against 124 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: and persecuted are all a crisis that needs to be 125 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 1: addressed and seen as a public health crisis which will 126 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 1: continue to affect those who aren't able to process or 127 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: get any type of intervention or access to any type 128 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,559 Speaker 1: of healthcare. Right. So, when we're talking about out these 129 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 1: different levels and it gets bigger and bigger, we know this. 130 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: And when looking at again how we're talking about intersectionality 131 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: here and why it was coined, this is the very 132 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: reason there is a deeper meaning of why this is 133 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: so dangerous to so many people. But who affects and 134 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: who affects more? And I think we have to keep 135 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: talking about it and we need to address and we 136 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: need to look at it as a public health crisis, 137 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: including gun violence. When we talk about like collective trauma 138 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: for those who have experienced mass shootings, that's a big 139 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: play into that collective trauma. But no one is willing 140 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: to see this as a public health crisis. Although the 141 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: CDC finally came out and we're like, yes, this needs 142 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: to be addressed and we need to study it, and 143 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: there's been a lot of pushback. We know this with 144 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: the n r A saying that we're cool. So that's 145 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: one of the big things. And yes, it is political. 146 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: This type of level of conversation is political, but needs 147 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: to be pushed to a bigger, broader stroke about healthcare 148 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: and mental health issue. So so many things, and yes, 149 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: and there's a lot to be researched, and it's probably 150 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: being studied, especially as the current crisis is still ongoing. 151 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: Hello delta variant. And many are grieving over so much 152 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: loss and difficulties that have been affecting so many. But 153 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: as stated in Psychology Today, quote, grieving takes time. Grieving 154 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: for a collected trauma takes time. Organization and vision understanding 155 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: how to respect the greeting process and foster the sense 156 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: of hope is the first step of organizing and rebuilding community. 157 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: There's both a need to respectfully acknowledge the ongoing barden 158 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: of living without loved ones or the familiar ways of life, 159 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: and to thoughtfully foster new ways of building on the 160 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: communal strength of the survivors. And it's such a beautiful 161 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: statement and beautiful idea, and yes, this is what we 162 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 1: need to do, but the underlying reasons for all of 163 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 1: those types of trauma is what needs to be talked 164 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: about first, and I think we're barely they are. Obviously, 165 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: we keep having to rerun these conversations on a constant basis, unfortunately, 166 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: um and until we can actually come to a point 167 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: of understanding that there's so much more to bringing strength 168 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: to the survivors. And again, part of that is us 169 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 1: being advocates and allies for those who are seemingly drowning 170 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: in collective black carreous in racial trauma. Yes. Yes, so 171 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: obviously a lot more for us to talk about, and 172 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll return in a future episode. We hope 173 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 1: all of you listeners are well out there and we 174 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: always love hearing from you. If you would like to 175 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: contact us, you can or email as Stuff Media mom 176 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: Stuff at ihart media dot com. You can find us 177 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: on Instagram at stuff I'll Never Told You or on 178 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 1: Twitter at mom Stuff Podcast. 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