WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: The Mary Celeste 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:16.079 Thinking Sideways. I don't think you never know stories of 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:21.319 things since he don't know the answer too. Hello and 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:24.840 welcome to another hard hitting episode of Thinking Sideways. I'm 0:00:24.920 --> 0:00:29.880 joined tonight by Steve Alright, what's your name? Oh yeah, 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:35.559 I'm Joe. Sorry, okay, a little important. So tonight we're 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:38.839 gonna solve in another mystery. Uh. This is the one 0:00:38.880 --> 0:00:42.520 that probably just about everybody in our audience has hurt about. Hey, Steve, 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:46.200 do you ever notice that we always solve Joe's mysteries 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:48.480 most of the time? Yet do you feel like maybe 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:53.159 he's stacking the deck. I'm picking easy ones that have 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:57.160 been solved already. Well, he says he solves them. That 0:00:57.160 --> 0:01:00.560 doesn't mean he actually solved I guess that's fair. Yeah, 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:03.960 he also has claimed to solve some of our mystery. 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:08.200 That's true, and it's almost always preposterous. Not not so 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:10.600 at all. Now, these are these are by their very 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:14.720 nature unfortunately kind of unsolvable. Sense. Yeah, but you know 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:17.040 you can advance some good theories anyway. Well, there you go. 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:19.520 That's that's always It's always fun. I'll turn up with 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:21.559 some new piece of evidence or was a little theory 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:25.560 or another. So anyway, This is a mystery that everybody 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:28.160 has heard about when we're talking about the ghost ship 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:36.520 Mary Celeste, I know. So anyway, let quick intro here 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:40.200 a little information about the Mary Celeste. She was a brigantine. 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:43.679 Brigantine is like a partially square rig partially gaff rig ship. 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:47.280 You guys all know what that means. So hundred seven 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:51.800 feet long tons and on December five, eighteen seventy two, 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:55.440 she was found between the Azores and the coast of Portugal, 0:01:56.160 --> 0:01:59.960 unmanned and abandoned. She was under sale, she was part 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:01.880 stal inder sale. Not all the sales were up. The 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:06.680 lifeboat was gone, the entire crew was gone. And that 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:10.680 is the mystery, is what the hell happened to those people? Yeah? 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:13.040 How did they get how did they get vomino stuff? 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:15.440 That ship? Yeah? I mean I guess what was it 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:18.240 like damaged? It was just like hanging. It was just 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:19.840 a hank. The ship was just hanging out in the 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:22.840 middle of the ocean. Yeah, just just drifting along under sail. 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:26.920 Apparently it was being the According to the last log entry, 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:30.040 which was November twenty four, they were at Santa Maria 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:33.880 Islands in the Azores, also called St. Mary's and that 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:37.760 was their last known entry, and they were found about 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:39.799 seven dred miles north of there. And it's really cool. 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:43.079 I found this out because I found out the longitude 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:45.600 and latitude of where the ship was found, and then 0:02:45.639 --> 0:02:49.160 I found out the longitude and latitude of St. Mary's 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:52.240 Island or Santa Maria, and and of course I go 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:54.080 out and I googled it. And of course there's a 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:56.800 web page out there where you can plug in the 0:02:56.800 --> 0:02:59.480 coordinates of two points and I'll tell you how far 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:02.560 apart they are. Join the Internet. I know, it's even 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:06.160 popping up on Google Maps. You. So that was really cool. 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:10.240 So using that handy utility, they've traveled about seven hundred 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:15.360 miles since. Yeah. So yeah, And of course you never know, 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:17.640 and maybe maybe he was just bored with making ship 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:19.639 log entries and he just didn't write in the log 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:22.560 for like seven or eight days. It seems unlikely. Yeah, 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:24.640 I think I thought you were kind of required to 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:27.400 make log entries like all the time. Yeah, that's what 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:30.200 they do on Star Trek all the time, exactly. I 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:34.760 figured that was the historic record of Star Trek. And 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:36.880 that's yeah. And besides, what you know, you're at sea, 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:38.320 there's not a hell of a lot else to do, 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:40.960 so yeah, I will spend a lot of time doodling 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:43.960 in your log. Okay, So anyway, that's the start from 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:46.640 the beginning. The Mary so lest left New York City 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:49.640 in November fifth, eighteen seventy two, loaded with a cargo 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:54.360 one thousand seven one barrels of alcohol, which were intended 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:57.800 for fortifying wine in Italy, so that the destination was 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:02.520 general Italy. Um. And an interesting coincidence is that the 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:05.520 night before they sailed, the captain, whose name was Benjamin Briggs, 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:08.800 had dinner with his friend David Moorehouse. David Moorehouse was 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:11.840 captain of the del Gracia, was the ship that discovered 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:16.000 the Mary Celeste adrift and abandoned in Atlantic. I feel 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:19.440 like I already have a theory about this. Think no, 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:23.320 not murder, but like quote discovered, like, oh we found 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:25.960 this ship. It was weird. I don't know if there 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:28.320 was enough. Missay, We'll just have to continue. Let's let's 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:30.240 let's let's keep going. But before we go too far 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:33.440 now he said, it's and I remember this in the reading. 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:37.239 It's something I always had to have clarified. So it's 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:42.400 not drinking alcohol like whiskey. It's denuded alcohol? Is that 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:46.800 the correct term? You know? I've heard very I've heard 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:48.880 two different variants on that. One is that it was like, 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:52.200 I'm totally undrinkable alcohol that will poison you, like basically 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:57.600 like rubbing alcohol. Yeah, and the natured alcohol that's yeah. Yeah, 0:04:57.720 --> 0:04:59.680 And but I've also heard that they were going to 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:02.560 use for fortifying wine, So presumably it would have had 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:05.240 to be drinkable, right if if you're gonna fortify wine 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:07.520 with it, I don't know, Yeah, I have no idea 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:10.599 how that problems. I guess maybe it was undrinkable in 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:15.520 its form, but one diluted, maybe it was matured alcohol 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:18.080 is totally just like rubbing alcohol, right, and that like 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:23.640 it's alcohol, it will kill you. But ostensibly I think 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:27.960 if you water it down to like crazy low amounts, 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:31.039 you could consume it. Maybe I don't know that it 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:33.520 would be delicious, but yeah, probably not. Well yeah, and 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:36.560 this stuff if some people have referred to it as undrinkable, 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:40.040 but that they might mean not poisonous but just so 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:44.600 so strong, so harsh. But at the same time, especially 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:47.480 back in those days, when people wanted to get wasted, hey, 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:49.120 they would we would find a way to do it. 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:51.440 You know, if you think of like you know that 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:56.120 like the strongest moonshiniest moonshine you've ever had, Right, there's 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:59.160 really no flavor. All it is is just like alcohol, 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:03.800 and yes you can drink it, but and they'll get 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:07.080 your wasted. Okay. So anyway, so that the del Garashia 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:10.520 discovered the Mary Celeste sailing without benefit of crew a 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:13.760 month later. So she was about six hundred miles west 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:18.000 of Portugal, sailing apparently towards Gibraltar. She was spotted by 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:20.760 the helmsman of the Delgarashia from about five miles out. 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:23.719 She appeared to be sailing erratically, basically kind of weaving 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:28.320 side to side. And uh so they got closer and 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:30.840 as they got as they got closer, they recognized it 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:33.520 as being the Mary Celeste. And they got to a 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:35.760 distance of about four yards and just sat there for 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:38.520 a couple of hours observing through the telescope, and they 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:41.080 saw no one on deck, no one at the helm, 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:44.200 and they were mighty puzzled. So you can imagine. So 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:46.840 the first mate all over de Vaux went over in 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:49.720 the boat and boarded the Mary Celeste and went all 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:51.920 to it found it to be completely empty. A that 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:54.000 was kind of water logged and they were about three 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:56.240 and a half feet of water in the hold. And 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:57.880 by the way, that must have been a really creepy 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:00.599 thing going on board that ship. Huh. I can only 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:04.159 imagine it be like, Yeah, it's like finding an abandoned 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:08.120 cars somewhere. You know that somebody's should have been in 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:13.160 it recently, but now there's nobody. Abandoned houses, you are 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:16.840 stupid because you know, you walk through and you're like, boy, 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:20.239 there should definitely, like, you know, there's signs of people 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:23.640 having been here, but there's just to no one here. 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:27.120 Just speaking of abandoned cars. I was with a friend 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:28.560 and we were out in the hills looking for a 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:31.320 good shooting spot. So we pulled into this one spot 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:35.280 off the road and there's a pickup truck there and 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:38.120 we're started wondering that it appears to be unoccupied, and 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:40.120 so we come walking up to it slowly and the 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:43.720 driver at the driver's side door was a jar and 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:47.760 there were a pair of feet sticking out somebody what 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:52.800 you're making this up? No pair of feet sticking out shoes? Uh? 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:56.840 Some person laying face down and not moving at all, 0:07:57.960 --> 0:08:00.840 and we were kind of like, wow, have we just 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:03.240 found a body. We got a little closer, and then 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:05.640 a little closer and then starts to move. We look 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:08.600 in there and it's just some some freaking redneck who 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:16.480 just like you know, passed out probably the night before. Yeah. 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:20.400 So anyway, yeah, there's that. Yeah, Yeah, that was creepy. 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:25.400 All right, Okay, So on board they found the ship's log, 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:27.679 and of course that's where they got that entry about 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:32.080 Santa Maria Island. Surprisingly, they keep saying. The word is 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:35.720 that the ship's papers were missing. And I've read that, 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:37.400 and that's why I was a little surprised when you 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:39.880 said the ship's log, because I thought by the papers, 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:43.240 I thought that they meant that the log book had 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:46.440 been was not there. It's what I thought too, But 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:48.720 you would think, but no, apparently the log was there, 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:52.599 but papers whatever those papers are, I'm not official documents 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:59.400 of owners of ownership maybe yeah, oh, shipping manifest Yeah, 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:02.280 that would make sense. Yeah, And they had also taken 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:05.120 the sextant in the current chronometer they were missing. Um, 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:08.040 the ship's life boat was missing. Said There were some 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:10.520 sensationalized accounts of this. One of the first ones by 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:12.960 Arthur Conan, and the entire crew was missing. Oh yeah, 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:17.240 the crew was missing. Yeah yeah. And was it just 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:20.480 the crew or what? Oh yeah, I should probably say 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:22.640 who was on the boat? There was. There was a 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:26.720 seven man crew plus the captain, so that's eight. And 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:28.400 then he brought along his wife and his two year 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:30.640 old daughter for this voyage too, so a total of 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:34.280 ten people were on this ship. So anyway, the sensationalized 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:38.360 accounts of the by Arthur Conan, Doyle said that when 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:40.840 they boarded it, they were like there were warm plates 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:43.800 of food and still warm cups of tea sitting on 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:48.840 the table, and yeah, and there was a sword that 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:51.079 had blood on it. And and in real life there 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:53.240 was a sword, but it had rust on it, not blood. 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:56.600 That's completely bogus. I mean, I mean, you know, they 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:59.000 spent two hours just observing this boat. That's plenty of 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:01.480 time for the tea to cool off, you know. Yeah. Yeah, 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:03.880 well they they chased it for a while. So yeah, 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:06.680 and then the whole the blood on the sword thing there, 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:08.719 Like you said, there was a sword, did you ever 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:11.000 come across why they why the account say it was 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:14.200 a bloody sword. It's because it's it was covered in 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:18.240 red material that didn't obviously look like rust. But it 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:22.280 turns out that and it's I'm assuming that it wasn't 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:24.480 obviously rust based on the way that I've read it, 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:28.439 but it was the fact that somebody had used lemon 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:31.920 juice to clean it, which caused some kind of weird 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:36.199 oxidization to happen, and that's why it had these odd 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:39.320 blotches of red on it. That's a weird that's a 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:41.480 little like that makes it a little weirder. Though to 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:44.520 me that somebody was like, oh, I know, I'll use 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:47.600 lemon juice to clean my sword off. It might have 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:50.200 been a you know, the equivalent of an old wives tale, 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:53.440 Dad said, always use a lemon when you're at seed 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:55.720 to clean your sword, to keep it clean and keep 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:58.360 the salt off of it. I don't know it would 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:01.200 be a good stringent. Mean, maybe they just didn't have 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:02.720 a sharp knife in hand and they wanted to cut 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:06.040 a lemon, so they cut it with that sword. Or 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:08.680 perhaps then this leads to another theory, is that perhaps 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:15.920 it was a lemon pledge. Lady, Yeah, alright, but what 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:17.920 was not missing. There was a lot of food and 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:20.480 water on board, plenty of food and water. The crew 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:23.679 that had everybody had left their possessions behind, including valuables 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:26.439 thanks what you expect they would take with them, So 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:28.600 that leads to the suspicion that they left in a 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:32.920 big hurry. The peak halliard, which is used to voice 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:35.440 of the mainsail, because the mainsail has got that big 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:37.559 that big piece of timber up on top of it 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:40.000 to stretch it out, and so that you have to 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:42.480 have a fairly stout rope to haul that heavy and 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:44.920 that heavy piece of wood and all that cloth with it. 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:48.080 So that was missing, apparently, and they found it. They 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:51.080 found a rope probably the peak halliard, tied to the 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:53.640 stern of the boat, trailing in the water. The other 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:56.080 end was frayed. There was no sign of violence on 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:58.839 the ship, so that kind of rules out piracy. We'll 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:00.400 talk a little bit about that, But then those signs 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:03.080 of a struggle or anything like that. So they pondered 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:05.520 what to do, and they finally decided to the captain 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:08.200 of the del Grasia sent to a small number of 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:11.040 men over there to the Mary Celeste to take her 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:13.360 the rest of the way to Gibraltar. So they sailed 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:15.800 the two ships sailed together to Gibraltar, and then months 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:17.960 later it's sent some time in Gibraltar while they puzzled 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:19.960 over it and held courts of inquiry and stuff like that, 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:23.240 and then eventually the ship got to Genoa it's original 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:26.400 and they unloaded the cargo. They found that nine barrels 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:29.560 of alcohol were empty out of that whole thing, and 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:37.560 there was what five hundred barrels barrels seventeen seven one? Yeah, 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:41.800 I don't know, it's yeah, that's again. And this is 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:43.560 one of the hard parts with a story like this 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:46.760 that has been retold to make it spookier and spookier. 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:50.040 Is I have seen accounts that said it was four hundred, 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:53.640 five hundred, seven hundred barrels. So that's one of the 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:56.040 things that's always in question for me, is how much 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:59.760 cargo was this thing really hauling. Yeah, it's a good 0:12:59.840 --> 0:13:02.480 quite And I'm assuming these were not huge barrels either. 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:05.400 You know, when you think barrel, you think fifty gallon drum, 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:09.320 so these might have been kind of kind of small barrels. Yeah, 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:12.040 it could have been. I'm not but again, there's there's 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:13.920 a few a few things I was trying to find 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:16.000 out in the course of this whole thing, like the 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:18.040 size of the barrels, the size of the lifeboat. That's 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:20.760 that's something I was really curious about. And that's kind 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:23.760 of difficult, Yeah, I kind of hard to find out 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:26.520 as far as the captain and the crew goes. They 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:31.640 were never heard from again ever ever, Yeah, exactly, they 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:39.319 just disappeared, Okay, joining everybody obvious. Yeah, So obviously they 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:42.920 either were forced from the ship or they left voluntarily. 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:45.320 Since there was no sign of a struggle, they must 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:50.280 have gotten off the ship voluntarily. So the question is why, 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:52.880 and that's something that people have been puzzling over for 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:57.000 a long long time. Okay, so here are some theories. Uh. 0:13:57.200 --> 0:14:02.680 Number one theory pirates. What's the answer? Exact me? Wrong? Yeah, 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:04.880 no signs of violence, and that doubt that they would 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:08.000 have left left a bunch of valuable stuff behind. If 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:09.880 nothing else. The pirates are gonna take the food and 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:15.360 the cargo. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, the alcohol cargo. You know. Actually, 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:16.760 if I were a pirate to find enough men, I 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:22.600 would take the entire ship. There's I know would of course, 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:24.680 maybe that's what happened. Maybe that's why the iron barrels 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:27.160 were empty. So the pirates did take murder everybody. They 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:29.160 did take the ship, and they drank a lot of 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:33.880 booze one that and Gal got so drunk they fell overboard. Yeah. 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:39.120 This this, this is not part of the pun holding water. Yeah. 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:40.720 And then one of them had the last one to 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:43.000 fall overboard, and I actually got tangled up with the 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:44.680 lines for their lifeboat and if you want to went 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:46.200 over he pulled it over with him. That's where the 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:50.920 lifeboats gone. Ye. Yeah, and I'm hearing the Benny Hill music. Yeah, 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:54.400 al right, Next they're a mutiny. The crew mutinied. They 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:57.080 killed the captain his family and threw them overboard, and 0:14:57.120 --> 0:14:59.560 then took off in a lifeboat. And this makes really 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:04.320 no sound whatsoever again, right, signs of struggle. Yeah, he 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:08.720 to of seven mutiny against a captain of one and 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:13.360 kill him and his family and behind It wouldn't be 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:15.160 a big struggle though. But yeah, I mean, even if 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:17.120 even if that had happened, why would they immediately jump 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:20.000 into lifeboat, you know, miles from anywhere and take off, 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:21.720 you know, when the ship is more valuable and the 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:23.480 ship is actually gonna be a lot safer to be 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:27.400 in that a little lifeboat. Yeah, So that makes no sense. 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:30.840 Next one drunk in this uh in this stay of 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:34.320 the crew got wasted on alcohol from those nine barrels. 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:37.240 They killed the captain and his family again and took 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:41.000 off in a lifeboat again. So it was just another 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:44.840 variant of the same theory as the mute yeah, tries 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:47.920 to explain why they might have me right, Yeah, Well, 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:52.320 and and the captain was a very religious man. I know, 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:58.080 he had reservations about even taking the cargo until somebody 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:00.440 told him this is something you can't actually rinker. You're 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:03.040 not supposed to drink. So it might have been that 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:07.400 somebody was testing the sauce and he got upset, and 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:12.720 then that's where everything went downhill. Seven super wasted guys 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:16.000 and one angry captain. We know who wins. I guess 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:17.720 on the filt side of that, though, you kind of 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:20.120 assumed that he's a captain of a ship. And I 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:22.800 don't really know how this worked, obviously, but in my 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:26.040 like fantasy world, you're captain of a ship, and especially 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:28.360 if you have a small crew, you've got your crew 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:31.360 that's with you like fairly frequently. Right, That's kind of 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:33.120 how it works back there. It wasn't like you just 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:38.440 had like, oh, I guess just random dudes the way. Yeah, 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:41.760 so I think you know that for me, the mutiny 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:44.720 thing doesn't really make sense that, like you kind of 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:47.040 I assume at least that these people had been working 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:49.160 together for a number of years and that they would 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:52.600 have formed close bonds. And and also there's the whole 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:56.400 question of why I suddenly mutiny, you know, because the 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:59.280 boys wasn't It wasn't like it was taking six months 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:00.920 longer than it needed too. It's not like they were 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:03.760 on food and water. There's no no particular reason of eating. 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:07.119 So yeah, I don't really get unless maybe there's some 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:09.920 sort of love triangle, you know, maybe somebody was fell 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:11.800 in love with the captain's wife and decided to murder 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:14.040 the captain and the daughter and and then had to 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:16.440 murder the other crewmen, and then he fell overboard himself 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:21.919 because he was drunk. So again, this stuff now it 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:25.200 really doesn't So another another theory is said they abandoned 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:28.640 the ship prematurely, believing that it was sinking or south 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:31.400 otherwise it's some sort of some sort of deadly condition. 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:33.800 And he said it had three and a half foot 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:36.359 of water in the hold. Yeah, the question is at 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:38.359 the time that they left the ship didn't have that 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:40.840 much water in it, or because they left that they 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:44.240 left a couple of large hatches top side open and 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:47.520 they were open for ten days. Yeah, yeah, about to 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:52.800 have about ten days. And yeah, and so if they 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:55.960 had left those up, and I mean a fair amount 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:59.080 of water could have come in from rain also and 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:01.520 and also you know ship's life that tend to take 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:03.800 on a little bit of water naturally anyhow, And that's 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:05.560 why they have builge pumps so you can pump them 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:08.080 out regularly. If they hadn't been on board for ten days, 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:10.760 and it could have just been you know, seepage. Well 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:13.840 and I read somewhere and I don't know if if 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:16.480 you were able to verify this at all, that the 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:20.080 ship supposedly had two pumps and one of the pumps 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:24.520 wasn't working correctly, so they couldn't siphon the water out 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:27.199 at the rate that they should normally be able to. 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:32.639 But but still not a good reason to abandoned ship. Yeah. No, 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:35.680 that's like saying, my airplane that has four engines on it, 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:38.960 one of them has gone out. Quick, Everybody get your parachute. 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:42.040 It's kind of that safe thing is still gonna go. 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:45.360 I think it's it's almost worse than that. I mean, 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:49.720 you it's a parachute, a parachute down, you have a 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:52.399 fairly high rate of you know, at least making it 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:56.119 safe down. The thing of abandoning a ship that you know, 0:18:56.240 --> 0:19:00.399 I say this a lot. I'm obviously an expert course 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:03.359 maritime anything. That's why you should actually be handling all 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:05.840 of our maritime should be. You're right, but I do know, 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:07.879 having lived on a ship for a while, that the 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:10.920 very it did, the last thing you do was abandoned 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:14.199 ship because you're I mean even you know, on the 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:17.560 where we were with a lot of people and you 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:21.679 have your radios and everything, your rate of survival in 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:26.040 a lifeboat is just so much lower. I mean it's 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:29.960 maybe ten of what you get on a ship. There's 0:19:29.960 --> 0:19:33.000 no reason to abandon a ship because one of your 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:35.159 pumps might be broken to do something that you can 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:39.520 do with buckets and manual labor. Absolutely yeah. And you know, 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:42.720 if they truly were at abandon the ship ten days before, 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:45.080 and that means nobody on board that thing was was 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:48.359 doing any pumping whatsoever, and it still didn't have a 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:51.720 critical amount of water in the build. Ye then seriously, 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:53.879 obviously it wasn't the ship wasn't going now I just 0:19:54.080 --> 0:19:57.000 remember that being an odd fact. Yeah and and but 0:19:57.000 --> 0:19:59.240 but anyway, this this abandonment thing, they thought that the 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:02.800 ship was sink king and so they they abandoned ship. 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:05.400 They were still pretty close to Santa Maria Island, and 0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:07.760 so they decided to get in the lifeboat and the 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:10.720 head and sail to Santa Maria. But that again makes 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:13.280 no sense because the ship is nowhere near thinking even 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:15.119 if you think it's taken on more water than should, 0:20:15.400 --> 0:20:17.919 I would turn the ship around first and don't. And 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:20.200 by the way, I didn't mention this, but Benjamin, the captain, 0:20:20.240 --> 0:20:23.560 Benjamin Briggs, owned a partial interest in the ship, so 0:20:23.720 --> 0:20:25.359 it's not like he would have just abanded. So he 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:28.159 partially owned it. So he's gonna lose his investment if 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:31.360 he just lets her go down. Oh yeah, So so he's, uh, 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:34.760 you know, he's got an interest in keeping a ship afloat. 0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:36.679 And also I think, you know, when you're a sea captain, 0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:39.359 you just you don't want to develop a reputation as 0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:44.200 somebody who loses ships career, and I think it only 0:20:44.240 --> 0:20:47.320 takes one loss of a ship, right, it really kind 0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:49.400 of queer the deal. Yeah. I think you lose one 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:52.840 ship and people are like, no, you lose ships. Yeah, 0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:54.320 I mean they're there. There are people out there in 0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:56.640 history who have gotten second chances and then they lost 0:20:56.640 --> 0:20:59.440 another ship and then that was about it for him. Yeah. 0:21:00.359 --> 0:21:04.399 Nobody trusts you, now, Okay, So that's so much for 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:07.280 that theory. So the premature thing is like, you know, 0:21:07.560 --> 0:21:09.480 I mean not not just because they thought maybe it 0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:12.880 was taking on water. Another another theory that's been put 0:21:12.880 --> 0:21:16.320 out is food contamination because apparently there is a mold 0:21:16.359 --> 0:21:18.720 that was just sometimes found on rye bread, which apparently 0:21:18.760 --> 0:21:22.240 they had in their ship's stores. And this mold, particular 0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:25.879 moldest kind of poisonous consullucinations. So they're all tripping on 0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:30.600