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Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways. I don't think you never know stories of

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Speaker 1: things since he don't know the answer too. Hello and

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Speaker 1: welcome to another hard hitting episode of Thinking Sideways. I'm

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Speaker 1: joined tonight by Steve Alright, what's your name? Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm Joe. Sorry, okay, a little important. So tonight we're

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Speaker 1: gonna solve in another mystery. Uh. This is the one

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Speaker 1: that probably just about everybody in our audience has hurt about. Hey, Steve,

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Speaker 1: do you ever notice that we always solve Joe's mysteries

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Speaker 1: most of the time? Yet do you feel like maybe

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Speaker 1: he's stacking the deck. I'm picking easy ones that have

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Speaker 1: been solved already. Well, he says he solves them. That

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean he actually solved I guess that's fair. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he also has claimed to solve some of our mystery.

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Speaker 1: That's true, and it's almost always preposterous. Not not so

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Speaker 1: at all. Now, these are these are by their very

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Speaker 1: nature unfortunately kind of unsolvable. Sense. Yeah, but you know

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Speaker 1: you can advance some good theories anyway. Well, there you go.

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Speaker 1: That's that's always It's always fun. I'll turn up with

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Speaker 1: some new piece of evidence or was a little theory

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Speaker 1: or another. So anyway, This is a mystery that everybody

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Speaker 1: has heard about when we're talking about the ghost ship

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Speaker 1: Mary Celeste, I know. So anyway, let quick intro here

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Speaker 1: a little information about the Mary Celeste. She was a brigantine.

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Speaker 1: Brigantine is like a partially square rig partially gaff rig ship.

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Speaker 1: You guys all know what that means. So hundred seven

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Speaker 1: feet long tons and on December five, eighteen seventy two,

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Speaker 1: she was found between the Azores and the coast of Portugal,

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Speaker 1: unmanned and abandoned. She was under sale, she was part

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Speaker 1: lifeboat was gone, the entire crew was gone. And that

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Speaker 1: is the mystery, is what the hell happened to those people? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: How did they get how did they get vomino stuff?

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Speaker 1: That ship? Yeah? I mean I guess what was it

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Speaker 1: like damaged? It was just like hanging. It was just

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Speaker 1: a hank. The ship was just hanging out in the

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Speaker 1: middle of the ocean. Yeah, just just drifting along under sail.

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Speaker 1: Apparently it was being the According to the last log entry,

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Speaker 1: which was November twenty four, they were at Santa Maria

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Speaker 1: Islands in the Azores, also called St. Mary's and that

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Speaker 1: was their last known entry, and they were found about

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Speaker 1: seven dred miles north of there. And it's really cool.

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Speaker 1: I found this out because I found out the longitude

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Speaker 1: I found out the longitude and latitude of St. Mary's

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Speaker 1: out and I googled it. And of course there's a

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Speaker 1: popping up on Google Maps. You. So that was really cool.

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Speaker 1: So using that handy utility, they've traveled about seven hundred

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Speaker 1: and maybe maybe he was just bored with making ship

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Speaker 1: for like seven or eight days. It seems unlikely. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think I thought you were kind of required to

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Speaker 1: they do on Star Trek all the time, exactly. I

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Speaker 1: that's yeah. And besides, what you know, you're at sea,

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Speaker 1: so yeah, I will spend a lot of time doodling

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Speaker 1: in your log. Okay, So anyway, that's the start from

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Speaker 1: one thousand seven one barrels of alcohol, which were intended

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Speaker 1: for fortifying wine in Italy, so that the destination was

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Speaker 1: night before they sailed, the captain, whose name was Benjamin Briggs,

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Speaker 1: like I already have a theory about this. Think no,

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Speaker 1: Dad said, always use a lemon when you're at seed

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Speaker 1: that had everybody had left their possessions behind, including valuables

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Speaker 1: that's another theory is aliens and UFOs look at that. Yeah,

426
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 1: so they're they're just sailing along and suddenly the UFOs

427
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 1: beamed them up and abduct them and they're off touring

428
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,400
Speaker 1: the galaxy, presumably right now that they were dissected one

429
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,120
Speaker 1: of the other. So, you know, I don't know this

430
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 1: is this is a very credible theory, but this it's

431
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 1: kind of hard to prove, you know what. And and

432
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 1: aliens get blamed for everything. They get the short into

433
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:24,159
Speaker 1: this stick and every story because it's these terrible things happened.

434
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,640
Speaker 1: Must have been the aliens. Absolutely, I got audited, must

435
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,120
Speaker 1: have been the aliens. They just they get the shortened

436
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 1: to stick for everything. Not that I'm saying there isn't aliens,

437
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,640
Speaker 1: but come on, why do we have to say that

438
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 1: because something weird happened and we don't know what it is,

439
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 1: it must be being from another planet. I just think

440
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 1: if you know, if the aliens would just reveal themselves

441
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 1: to us, we would stop blaming them for things that

442
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 1: they would just come down and be like, listen, guys,

443
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 1: have us a good explanation. Dude, listen, it wasn't us

444
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 1: or like we got a couple of them, yeah, but

445
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,120
Speaker 1: like the rest of them are crazy. I just feel

446
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,679
Speaker 1: like we would stop blaming them as much. Yeah, and

447
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 1: you know, it might be that they're responsible for a

448
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 1: lot of this stuff, but they have a good, solid reason,

449
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 1: you know, it's like your cat. I mean, you take

450
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 1: your cat to the vat. You know, he gets an

451
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,120
Speaker 1: unpleasant ride in the car and then he gets stabbed

452
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 1: with needles and you know, I guess that their mometer

453
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 1: stuffed up is all kinds of stuff. And he he's wondering,

454
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 1: why are you torturing me? What do you hate me?

455
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,360
Speaker 1: And it's like you but there's a good reason for it,

456
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 1: so you just don't have a way to explain it

457
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 1: to your cat. So what you're saying is that aliens

458
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 1: are veterinarians for the human race and we're all getting

459
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 1: worm and we just don't It's okay, alright, alright for that.

460
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 1: So next up in our list of theories sea monsters.

461
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: All this is always fun. Yeah, So anyway, and this

462
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 1: theory of visit from our friend Mr Kracken resulted in

463
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 1: the crew being plucked from the ship like tasty chocolates

464
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 1: from a box. People below decks, hearing the horrifying screams

465
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,199
Speaker 1: of their dying comrades, immediately rushed up to the deck

466
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 1: to see just what the heck was going on and

467
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 1: they got eaten too. So anyway, that's my favorite expl nation. Yeah,

468
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,360
Speaker 1: but there there is one. There is one one thing

469
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,360
Speaker 1: that sort of argues against this, and that is, what's

470
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 1: the first thing you do? An enormous sea monster comes

471
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 1: popping up out of the sea. Uh, scream, No, wet yourself,

472
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 1: you're you're warm yourself. Yes, that's it, you poop yourself.

473
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 1: No feces were found. The rain washed it off all right. Well,

474
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: according to Pirates of the Caribbean, because I saw that

475
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 1: again recently where the crack had attacked the ship. Crackings

476
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: do a lot of damage, and if this ship is

477
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: in perfectly good shape, I don't think the cracking just

478
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: reached up and grabbed one timber and then used it

479
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:45,719
Speaker 1: to flick everybody off. Oh. I just can't see that happening.

480
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: Imagine it probably, I imagine would have torn it into

481
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 1: just shaking all the people out into his mouth. Yeah,

482
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 1: what you do with the the end of the tube

483
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: of pringles. Yeah, so I think we can cross this

484
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 1: one off the list. Next one Bermuda Triangle. Of course,

485
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 1: they didn't go anywhere near the Bermuda Triangle, so I

486
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: think we can cross that one off the list. Yes.

487
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: So that now we're gonna get into some more um uh,

488
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: some slightly more serious ones here, uh, underwater earthquakes. There

489
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: was a guy named David Williams who wrote a book

490
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: called Seaquake. I wrote the name, and he wrote he

491
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 1: had a section in there about about the Mary Celeste. Apparently,

492
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,360
Speaker 1: and apparently it's it's actually true. He's not just making

493
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: this up. Shock Waves from an underwater earthquake, if there's

494
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,439
Speaker 1: a ship right above can actually do quite a bit

495
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: of damage, he referenced, and I checked up on it.

496
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 1: It's true. There's a ton ship called the Ida Knudson

497
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: which was was very severely damage to the to the

498
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 1: point where it couldn't be salvaged. That was back in

499
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 1: nine by one of these sequakes. It doesn't really entirely

500
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 1: make sense to me. And well, you mean the science

501
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 1: of it or not. The well, his theory, his particular theory,

502
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: and I think his series sort of like departs from

503
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: the facts in one key areas, and that is the barrels. Okay,

504
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna I'm just gonna have a few things. Yeah,

505
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: just then, the sea floor near Mary Celeste was ripped

506
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: apart by a shallow focused There's quick a relatively common

507
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 1: occurrence in the Azores whenever the hard bottom shift vertically

508
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: a relatively fast pace. To see, bed acts like a

509
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: giant piston, pushing and pulling the water, sending powerful ways

510
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: of alternating pressure towards the surface. So at this point

511
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 1: he conjectures that they had been cooking in the galley,

512
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: and that and that the most of the ship bouncing

513
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: up and down violently in the air caused the stove

514
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: to bounce out of its holder and come down an angle.

515
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: And it's true that the mary Celest when they found

516
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 1: that the stove was kind of like a jar. It

517
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: was not it was not exactly where it was supposed

518
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: to be. So this theory is that it came down

519
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 1: settled in an off kilter position, and some stuff like

520
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 1: m flying embers came out of it. They had also

521
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: loosened the stays around, according to him, nine barrels of

522
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: grain of grain alcohol in the hold, causing them to

523
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: fall over, burst open and dumping tons of alcohol into

524
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: the hold. But of course, and this is where this

525
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: is where it sort of goes south, because when they

526
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 1: when they found the ship and they looked in the hold,

527
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,239
Speaker 1: the cargo was intact and undisturbed. So that's that's kind

528
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 1: of where he departs from the evidence of the case. Anyway,

529
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: back to his story. Here, choking in the smell of

530
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: alcohol from the leaking barrels, hearing the crashing sounds all

531
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: around them, and seeing embers flying about from the fire

532
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: and the cooking still was all it took to send

533
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,120
Speaker 1: the crew into panic and cause them to quickly launch

534
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: a small y'all and try to get away from the

535
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: penny explosion in certain death. The crew, now in the

536
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: small y'all floating behind the Mary Celeste FELTI later, when

537
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: embers died down without causing the alcohol fumes to explode,

538
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: it was now safe for them to go back aboard

539
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: and sort out the damage. But the elations soon vanished,

540
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: replaced by the horrifying discovery that they were no longer

541
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: tied to the Mary Celeste. In the Russian fear of

542
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: the moment, the crew had forgotten to properly secure a

543
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: line from the lifeboat to the mother's ship. They Washton

544
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: hiss may as the Mary Celestue now a ghost ship

545
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: sailed slowly away from the all with her have a

546
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: two other small sales set so he makes a lot

547
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,719
Speaker 1: of assumptions set of course, I, like I said, it

548
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: departs from the evidence with the barrels, and I just

549
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: I just love it. I just love it they suddenly

550
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: realized they'd forgotten to tie the rope off. Okay, well,

551
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: I can I can see some credence in if and

552
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: evidently this area is known for heaven seaquakes, that a

553
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: quake could literally toss the ship around and freak everybody

554
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: out on board and potentially throw one or two people overboard.

555
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: But I can't see the seaquake or this supposed string

556
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:42,719
Speaker 1: of events that he conjectures happens happening, right. You know,

557
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: for me, they were they were experienced crew, right, and

558
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: one could assume that they had done run similar to

559
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: this before and likely encountered phenomenal like this before, or

560
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: at least heard about it. I knew it was a

561
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: thing that could happen. Yeah, just to be that panicked,

562
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: I just don't think. I I think I think also

563
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: that uh, there wasn't enough damage to the ship. I mean,

564
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: if it had been that cataclysmic of of an event,

565
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: there should have been more damage. There should and the

566
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: ship was unscathed. Yeah. And number two, when you have

567
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: these huge, crashing, cataclysmic forces around you and you're terrified

568
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: getting off the ship and into your lifeboat. It's kind

569
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: of like getting out of your car and onto a

570
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: tricycle in the middle of its lightning storm. That's a

571
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: great analogy. That's a really great analogy. And I think,

572
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: you know, I think I think it's totally accurate. You

573
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: know that not only is it like a pain to

574
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: get actually physically like perform that act, especially if you've

575
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: got a woman and a two year old child trying

576
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: to do that. Getting from a ship to a lifeboat

577
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: not an easy task. But on top of that, it's

578
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: true right that you're like, wow, it's a mess out there.

579
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: Better get into something small and something like small and

580
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: fragile yet idea. Well, and you know, and that's something

581
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: that I you know, I think people don't who haven't

582
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: been out on a boat in the ocean in you know,

583
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: decent swells, You think, oh, well, it's just you know,

584
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: the waves are a couple of feet high. Nope, you

585
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: get on a boat that, I mean, on a decent size.

586
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: I've been on it was a thirty foot fishing boat

587
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: and they were ten foot swells. And you think, well,

588
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: I'm on a thirty foot fishing boat, no big deal.

589
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: But when you're in the bottom of the swell, you

590
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: can't see even just so huge and that's just a

591
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: ten foot swell, which is not that big of a

592
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,959
Speaker 1: wave out the middle. Even on big ships, you've got

593
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: those swells there. You know, you can look down on

594
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: them from a deck, but they're so big, and it's

595
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: not so much that like you can't see over them

596
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: or anything like that, but that you can see the difference,

597
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: and you can you feel the way that your ship

598
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: is moving, even as a giant ship, right with stabilizers

599
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: and modern technology, you feel that and you think, thank God,

600
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: I'm not on a boat that's smaller than this, because

601
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: this would be the worst. Yeah, there's no way you

602
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: would survive in this. Well you might, but not likely,

603
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: but it's way better to just stick it out on

604
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: the ship. And I think anybody who's experienced at all

605
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: as I you know, as I am with sea travel,

606
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: knows that you stay on your ship in weather like that,

607
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: in whatever like that, you stay on your ship. Yeah. Yeah,

608
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: so you have water earthquakes, Yeah, that doesn't sound all

609
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: that plausible because we're trying to figure out why they

610
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: left the ship, um, and that just doesn't sound like

611
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: that would be something that would cause him to leave

612
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: the ship. Well, and if the waves are just going insane,

613
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: like you said, it's gonna be hard to get on

614
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: the like boat, let alone, to run into the cabin,

615
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: grab your papers for the ship, and then get out,

616
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: because I don't imagine those things are just handily kept

617
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: in a bag hanging on a hook. I would agree

618
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: with that. Yeah, okay, I know what the next theory

619
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: water spouts. There are such phenomena and the water spout

620
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: is like when you get it's kind of like a tornado.

621
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:09,719
Speaker 1: You got apparently with chemulus like tall keemulus clouds, and

622
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: then you'll get this sort of like tornado like effect

623
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: where water droplets. It's like it's not over the ocean

624
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,959
Speaker 1: kind yeah, and it's kind of like and it's not

625
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: solid water. It's just droplets, like very tiny droplets, and

626
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: so it's not like a total water spout being sucked up.

627
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: So if they hit a water spout, one forms over them.

628
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: Somebody has speculated that could be the reason they had

629
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: so much water in the hold of the ship or

630
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: in the builders, I should say, was that they hit

631
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: a water spout. Was it really that it was? You

632
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: said it was three and a half feet. Yeah, I

633
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: just feel like that's not that much water. I mean,

634
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: it's not no water, but I feel that, you know,

635
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: for a ship like that, right, it's long with three

636
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: and a half feet of water in the hold or

637
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: in the bottom, but that's a fair amount of water.

638
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: But you know what she's I don't know, you know

639
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: how tall the Celeste was by chance from the top

640
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: of your head from the photos I've seen, I mean,

641
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: I would say she was probably the top to the

642
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: tip of the mast. I don't know. Hunding two. What

643
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: about the What about the body of the ship? I

644
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: guess is where I'm getting at. If the ship is

645
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: a hundred and seven feet long, I'm gonna guess she'st

646
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: high from from the bottom to the deck, from the

647
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: water line to the deck, well for the bottom from yeah,

648
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: I guess. I guess three and a half feet is

649
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: not a lot of water. It's not that much, particularly

650
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: if we can I think we can safely assume that

651
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 1: if the ship was left unattended, without being build shout

652
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: or anything like that for ten days, most of that

653
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 1: wasn't there when the crew left, precisely, so the water

654
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: they get in the waterspout. If it was, I mean,

655
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: apparently these are dangerous. Uh, it could have caused damage

656
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: to the ship, and there was no observed damage. So therefore, well,

657
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 1: you know, when I hate to, I hate to take

658
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 1: a step back, but I got to ask. It was

659
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: approximately it was ten days from the last entry to

660
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: when the ship was found, and I can't remember exactly

661
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: what it was that I saw in the reading that

662
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: I did on this about who was the captain that

663
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: found it? Again, his name was Divid Moorehouse. Okay, when

664
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: more House founded, didn't he say that the weather for

665
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,720
Speaker 1: the last couple of days had been kind of foul.

666
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: In some accounts I have heard, it said that the

667
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: del Garasha experienced pretty much good weather the entire way down,

668
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean anything because they were a week

669
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: behind the Celeste. Because I swear I saw something that

670
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,760
Speaker 1: said that the water the weather at that time wasn't

671
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: that good for when when the Celeste was coming through,

672
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: which would explain why if somebody was off the ship

673
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,760
Speaker 1: and they left the hatches open, was she took on water?

674
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: It was rain for a couple of days straight as

675
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: a yeah, all those all those possibilities there, rain just

676
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: seabeds that kind of thing. Yeah, wooden ship, right, I

677
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: mean they tend to sleep, so alright, So anyway, the

678
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: water is about today, you know, and it doesn't do

679
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: much for me. So I said, we throw that one

680
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: of the bus alright. Last of all, Uh, this is

681
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: everybody's favorite alcohol fumes. It's my favorite too. You like

682
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: that one? Yeah, okay, So as I said it right,

683
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: there are there are a few things that make me

684
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: kind of kind of wonder about it. Um. So, nine

685
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: nine barrels out of the entire hold were amit of

686
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: red oak, which apparently is porous and unsuitable for holding liquids,

687
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: and so the in this theory, the alcohol would have

688
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 1: seeped through the pores and would have filled the hold

689
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: with alcohol fumes, which of course would be flammable and explosive. Yeah.

690
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: So the rest of the rest of the barrels were

691
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: white oak, right exactly. And so these nine red oak barrels,

692
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: which were the ones that were found to be empty

693
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: when they finally unloaded the boat in Genoa, so as

694
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: the alcohol leaked out, filled the hold of fumes at

695
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: random spark and people of theorize that that could have

696
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: happened by barrels shifting and the metal bands on the

697
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: barrels scraping against each other, touching off just a little

698
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: bit spark, just enough to make an explosion, which and

699
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: the explosion would have would have blown off the hatches,

700
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: I would explain, to open hatches, and of course it

701
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: would have panted the crew somebody. And by the way,

702
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: somebody didn't experiment with this. They built like a miniature

703
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: model of the whole of the hold of the ship

704
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: with the hatches and everything, and little little paper things

705
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: to represent the barrels, and then filled it up with

706
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: butchane touched it off and it did make an explosive

707
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: sort of thing, but it didn't burn anything because its

708
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: cool and it burns off really fast. Yeah, and that

709
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: was really interesting. That was the thing that really piqued

710
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: my interest in this theory was that it was like

711
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,399
Speaker 1: a cold burn, and it was more of like an

712
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: energy blast than it was like a heat It was,

713
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: which I think is very interesting. I also think it

714
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: has the potential to explain that it wasn't necessarily that

715
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,439
Speaker 1: the crew abandoned it, but perhaps they were thrown from

716
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 1: it or burned up in the cold brew. I it

717
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: I don't. I didn't totally understand if it could have

718
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: killed a person or not, but I thought that was

719
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: kind of a nice way to explain. It wouldn't have

720
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: been an abandonment at that point. It would have been

721
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: the crew suffering catastrophic failure, being thrown from the ship

722
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: or whatever. That could have been the of course, that

723
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 1: we'd find. You know, at least some of the people

724
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 1: would have been below decks and we would have found

725
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: some bodies or not. Not we, but somebody would have

726
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: found something unless they were pushed out with the explosion.

727
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's possible to it. But then

728
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of stuff like furniture and gear,

729
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 1: and that's true. I didn't even think about it. Yeah,

730
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: And then another thing I thought about it again, it

731
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: doesn't they would have found bodies. Was that the fire

732
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: consumed all the oxygen and a bunch of them were

733
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 1: asphixiated if you're below decks, and there wasn't much of

734
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: the way of ventilation, and it couldn't have just burned

735
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: just the bodies. It would have and it wouldn't have. Yeah, yeah,

736
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: it didn't. So it didn't burn anything. So well, there

737
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: was no signs of a fire, right, But so that

738
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: was the thing they were saying, is that like this

739
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: could have burned a bunch of fuels and cosmics blosion

740
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: that would have left like almost no trace. It probably would.

741
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: It could have explained why perhaps the stove was a

742
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: little wonky when they found it, but it wouldn't it

743
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,959
Speaker 1: wouldn't have left any kind of burn explosion damage. Really yeah,

744
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: in that vein, I mean, if you could imagine the

745
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: situation where that explosion happened, and say it was foul

746
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: weather and there's only like one or two guys up

747
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 1: top side, maybe maybe just the helmsman was that was

748
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: top side. Maybe it was nighttime or something like that,

749
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: and this explosion happens, it's fhyxiates everybody below decks. So

750
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: when he first gets a calm moment, you can you

751
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: can take a break from steering. He goes down and

752
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: finds everybody dead, and so he then has to dispose

753
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: of the bodies. He's got a waste to go. He

754
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 1: can't have rotting corpses on the ship, so he gives

755
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: he hauls him on top side, gives him a burial

756
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: at sea, and that tries to take the ship single handedly,

757
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 1: or maybe there's two guys trying to take it all

758
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,240
Speaker 1: the way to civilization by himself, and then eventually reaches

759
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 1: the point where he realizes he just can't do it,

760
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: and so he gets the lifeboat out, which I don't

761
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: I and again, I don't know how easy that is

762
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: for one guy to get the lifeboat overboard maybe two

763
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 1: guys an abandoned ship. So there is that I don't know.

764
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: I do not know. So again, but so so there's

765
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: also not there's an alternative for that, which is that

766
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: they popped up, and they popped up in one of

767
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: the hatches to the whole, and suddenly all these alcohol

768
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: fumes come rushing out because these things have been leaking

769
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: and they have been sealed up, and so they all

770
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: somebody says, hey, you know what that does flammable, And

771
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: they all get in the panic, and they decided the capite,

772
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 1: especially he's got his wife and his daughter aboard, so

773
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: he's really concerned about their safety. They decided to get

774
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 1: in the lifeboat, attaching a stout rope to the lifeboat

775
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,280
Speaker 1: and to the ship, and then just get all ways

776
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: away from the boat and see if it's going to

777
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: blow up. And see if perhaps the wind will just

778
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: sort of ventilate out the hole and get some of

779
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: those fumes out of there and make it safer. So

780
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: I'm always the naysayer, and I admit it, but my

781
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: thought on this is that, Okay, if if you open

782
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: up two hatches because you're trying to ventilate all the

783
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: fumes that are in there, and you don't have a

784
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:00,879
Speaker 1: guy with a pipe in his mouth sticking his head

785
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: in there to see how how stinky it is, well

786
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 1: that's a bad idea, that's it. How do you know

787
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: what the ventilation is complete? Well, but if if if

788
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: there's any kind of breeze and you've got two hatches open,

789
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: and this is me just you know, making a presumption,

790
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: I would presume that they would open hatches that were

791
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: on opposite ends of the ship from each other to

792
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 1: allow a breeze to come through and pull the fumes out.

793
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: Common sense would say, I'm going to stand up wind

794
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: of all of this and everybody just hang out on

795
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: this one area of the ship and wait for it

796
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: all to come out before we do anything, rather than

797
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: let's get onto the boat and and hang out and

798
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: wait at a distance. That's my thought process too, at

799
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 1: least for some of the people. Like Okay, I understand

800
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: maybe like oh yeah, let's tell this lifeboat along with

801
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: like my wife and daughter, so that and like maybe

802
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 1: like a couple of first mate or something, you know,

803
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: something were to happen. Sure, but you know, he owns

804
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: such a big stake of this thing and there. Yeah,

805
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: I guess I just don't see why everybody would abandon

806
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 1: ship just to ventilate out. Yeah that's in. Maybe not

807
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: everybody did. Maybe the captain stayed behind and uh and

808
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: then after the life broke away and they went all

809
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: off to their to their hideous fate, he decided to

810
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: commit suicide. Yeah. Well okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, let's

811
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: let's back up on that. If there's one person left

812
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 1: on the ship and they lose the lifeboat, is it

813
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: or is it not possible for one guy at the

814
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: helm to turn that chip around? Yeah? This is true. Okay,

815
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: all right, all right, I just I want to I

816
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 1: want I want to try and keep this one left,

817
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 1: the two year old daughter on the ship. Right, All

818
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: of these things don't explain then, like there's plenty of food,

819
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 1: there's a lot of water, assuming that the seas were

820
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: even like remotely calm. So you're just you're the only

821
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: person on a ship. Yeah, that like stinks, right, But

822
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: you've got food, you've got and you've got shelter. You're

823
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: just gonna stay put and assume that somebody's going to

824
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: see you. Because somebody's going to see you. Somebody will

825
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: come along. Yeah. Yeah. And then the whole thing is

826
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:13,959
Speaker 1: if you even if you're the sole survivor on the ship,

827
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: you stay on the ship. You stay in the ship,

828
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: because I would anyway, because I mean just the way

829
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: it was going on, just randomly by itself. It was

830
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: headed towards the coast of Europe, so it's headed towards Portugal.

831
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 1: It would have it would have hit Portugal or Spain

832
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: or something eventually, and so you know, what's what's the

833
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: hurry to get off the ship? You know? The other

834
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: thing about leavings while it ventilates is the main hatch

835
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: to the hold was secured. It was closed. So if

836
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: you want to ventilate that out, would you want to

837
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: open the big hatch up, especially oh to the alcohol

838
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: where yeah yeah, yeah, so the main hatch because the

839
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: other hatches were open, right that they were, they would

840
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 1: you would open all of the hatches, right, I would

841
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: think you would. All right, well, I'm gonna go with

842
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: Okham's razer here though, is that I'm going to guess

843
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 1: that those hatches are using metal hinges, and so you're

844
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,720
Speaker 1: thinking spark, so you're worried about sparks, so you only

845
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: you do the fewest number possible to get ventilation through this,

846
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: So let's just open to. Let's not take the chance

847
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: of open the others really quick and causing a spark

848
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 1: and setting this off. I guess I don't hold that

849
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 1: this is the way it happened, but I'm just looking like, well, no,

850
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,879
Speaker 1: I can see why you would only open to. Yeah, yeah,

851
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: so especially if if you pop those open for ventilation

852
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: purposes anyway, they're already open and that's when you notice

853
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: the alcohol. So it's like, you know, so let's not

854
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: do anything. I could imagine that what I would do

855
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: is I would probably pick the down wind hatch and

856
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 1: I would grab a piece of canvas, like maybe even

857
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: one of the sales and rig up sort of us

858
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: sort of cover around it to catch the wind and

859
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: shove it down into the into below decks and sort

860
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: of push all that stuff, which is what probably your

861
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: sensible sailor would do. Yeah, I mean this whole thing

862
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: makes me think about I mean, we've all done it.

863
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:03,919
Speaker 1: We've all had gas barbecues that were on but not lit,

864
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: and you realize that, oops, I left the gas on

865
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: when I turned cigarette. I'm just gonna go walk away

866
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: and hang out for a while. Everybody knows you just

867
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: don't mess with that stuff and you just let it disperse.

868
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: So the other problems with the alcohol theory is that

869
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: the crew of that they'll go out Gracio, they want

870
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,280
Speaker 1: below decks, and none of them reported smelling any alcohol

871
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 1: when they got to Gibraltar. Lots of people want out

872
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: of that ship and looked and poked around, and nobody

873
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 1: smelled any alcohol. Nobody did in genuate either. Well, but

874
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,439
Speaker 1: that would evaporate yea ten days later, don't you think

875
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: it would have kind of dissipated. Well, here's the thing

876
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: that is that those barrels is like they they had

877
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: a pretty considerable amount of alcohol in each of those

878
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: nine barrels, and so I don't know how quickly all

879
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: that alcohol would seep out of those barrels. So if

880
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: they didn't smell it, so if say they loaded in

881
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: New York and immediately starts seeping and then sometime let's

882
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: let's say it's going to take at least a couple

883
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: of days to evaporate, So that would be less than

884
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: a month, and less than a month than the entire

885
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: contents of a barrel of alcohol somehow seep out completely.

886
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: That seems like a really short amount of time. Well,

887
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 1: and the other problem is when we read the accounts

888
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: that say that the barrel is empty, does that mean

889
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: bone dry empty or it's got a little bit left

890
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 1: in the bottom. But yeah, that's again that's that's one

891
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: of those things where I don't know. And of course

892
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: when they found is that was after the whole quart

893
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: of you know, they had a big enquiry Gibraltar, Gibraltar

894
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: about that, and so when they found him empty at Genoa,

895
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if they reported back to the authorities

896
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: in Gibraltar. I mean, obviously somebody made a note of

897
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,439
Speaker 1: it and told somebody else. But well, and how long

898
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,720
Speaker 1: was it between when they were found and that cargo

899
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: was offloaded? Another week or so months? Okay? Well, and

900
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: there's another problem with how fast does the alcohol come

901
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:56,760
Speaker 1: out of the barrel? Is that if it's slowly leaking,

902
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 1: but people are coming in and out of this ship

903
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: constantly checking stuff out and looking at it, and no

904
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: wonder it's ventilating and nobody's smelling it. I wonder also

905
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: if the problem, one of the problems came from the

906
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 1: fact that the captain was so anti alcohol. So you

907
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: can think like if he was like, all right, I'm

908
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,439
Speaker 1: a little if he that we're even transporting this, We're

909
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: just gonna lock it up and keep it under long

910
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: and key while we're transporting it gets so it never

911
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: gets ventilated while he's the boss, and then they think, oh,

912
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: I guess we should just check on it or something.

913
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 1: So they check on it and they're like, oh crap,

914
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: we ought to ventilate this out. But once the other

915
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,399
Speaker 1: people are taking over, they don't really care so much,

916
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: or it's nicer weather or whatever, so it's getting better ventilated.

917
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: So things are kind of ventilating out as it's I

918
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I would like to advance another

919
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 1: another theory, which is is possible that there was never

920
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: any alcohol in those barrels to begin with, because because

921
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,399
Speaker 1: red oak is so unsuitable for that kind of a use,

922
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: it seems unlikely the manufacturer of the ahol would have

923
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: used red oak barrels to put alcohol, especially for just

924
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: nine of them, untlus, they were just filling, they were

925
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: ran out, and hey, Billy, quick, go go get us

926
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 1: nine more barrels and fill them. And that is possible

927
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: because red oak is used for grains and dry stuff

928
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: things like that, because it's okay there, it's just not

929
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: with liquids, right, Yeah, as far as I know, and

930
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: so well, I think it's entirely possible. It's some longshoreman

931
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: in New York who were loading in charge of loading

932
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,439
Speaker 1: the boat probably just said, hey, we need to pill

933
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: for some of these and and how many how many

934
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: barrels can you round up in short order? Nine? Okay,

935
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:37,439
Speaker 1: stick them in there, and we're gonna we're just gonna

936
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: spirit these things off and sell them or drink to

937
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 1: disappear in port on a regular basis. So much today

938
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,439
Speaker 1: with barcodes. But yeah, and again, like I said, no,

939
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: nobody was smelling any alcohol. That's saw again that that

940
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: that casts a little bit of down on the alcohol.

941
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 1: That the alcohol theory is still the strongest one. But

942
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: even so, their behavior was a little bit explicit. Yeah,

943
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: there's there's definitely some poles in that, so I wonder

944
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 1: if there's like a mix of theories that could kind

945
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 1: of explain this, right, Yeah, no, I mean, you know,

946
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 1: the sort of idea that maybe it was a specific

947
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:22,280
Speaker 1: loaf of bread was that kind of horrible hallucinogenic mold

948
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: and they ate it. And that's the reason that the

949
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: crew that took over didn't have that problem is because

950
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: you know, these other loaves of bread, she didn't have it.

951
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: It was just the water of the couple. So they're hallucinating,

952
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: or maybe they're they've got cabin fever, or maybe there's

953
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 1: some kind of unrest happening. And on top of that,

954
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,399
Speaker 1: this alcohol thing happens, so everybody kind of thinks it's

955
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: best to just like leave. Yeah, they kind of have

956
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: a sort of an impaired judgment for one reason or another.

957
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 1: They decide, all right, we're gonna get on this life boat.

958
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 1: The best idea is to just get on this life boat.

959
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,720
Speaker 1: And that rope looks pretty strong, so we'll just drag

960
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: ourselves behind it and surely we'll be able to get

961
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: back on. That's not a problem, and we won't bother

962
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 1: with tying it to the boat. I can just hang on,

963
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. I'm strong, or I didn't they

964
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: wasn't the rope. They found the rope, so like, okay,

965
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: so maybe it just like broke, like there was a

966
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 1: big swell and it broke its snapped in half, or

967
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: maybe the kragg and cut it there. Yeah, you know,

968
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: I think there's the potential for merging of a couple

969
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,919
Speaker 1: of these things. But it's let's let's go completely off

970
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: track for a second. I saw, and I don't. I

971
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: don't know if you came across, if either of you

972
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 1: came across this, but I saw something. Somebody was reporting

973
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 1: that one of their theories was correct. And that's why

974
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: everybody got on the lifeboat and was citing something that

975
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: I couldn't I couldn't track it down anywhere else. That

976
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 1: a month later, a lifeboat was found owned south of

977
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: that area with two skeletons on it, one of whom

978
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: was wrapped in an American flag. Yeah, and well, you know,

979
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: actually in uh, there's a little variant on the in

980
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: David Williams book called Seaquick Sequick. Is that where that

981
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: came from? He said that five months after after their disappearance,

982
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 1: that's the one. Five highly decomposed buyers were found tied

983
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,240
Speaker 1: to two rafts off the coast of Spain. One body

984
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 1: was wrapped in an American flag, so tied to two rafts.

985
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 1: I I'm not really sure, because because they were they

986
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: took off on a lifeboat and maybe somewhere in their

987
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: journeys in the lifeboat they came across a couple of

988
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: rafts and tied themselves to it. I don't know, but

989
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: you know, so it could have been anybody's body. Yeah, yeah,

990
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: and it's too bad that. I mean, they had just

991
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 1: parted right recently. I don't Yeah, well they have the

992
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,479
Speaker 1: in the log it said they they said they made

993
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: Santa Maria, but didn't didn't say whether or not they

994
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: actually want to shore. I want, you know, I kind

995
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: of wonder maybe there was like some kind of sickness, right,

996
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 1: maybe somebody had like the measles or Spanish flu something something,

997
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 1: you know, where they didn't want to catch it. So

998
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: so some of them abandoned ship and some of them

999
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: killed themselves overboard. This is another one of those ones

1000
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: where the possibilities are literally endless. And actually I like

1001
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: that because sickness is something that I have not come

1002
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: across in any of the reading, and it may have

1003
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: been that they just I mean, this is not unheard of.

1004
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:31,760
Speaker 1: As somebody says, this boat is cursed. It's making us sick,

1005
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 1: and we have to get out of here. And we've

1006
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:38,240
Speaker 1: just put you know, Jimmy and Sammy overboard to a burial.

1007
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: Let's see, let's get on the boat and get away

1008
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,280
Speaker 1: from this ship before it makes us sick. Not understanding

1009
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: how diseases work, and it's too late. They're the couple

1010
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: that are already infected, that infect the rest of them. Well,

1011
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: I guess that's the thing. It's even with that description

1012
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 1: right of like one of them was wrapped in an

1013
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: American flag. That speaks very deeply to me of like

1014
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: that person was dead, that was a corpse when they departed, Right,

1015
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: that wasn't somebody who wrapped themselves in an American flag.

1016
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: They didn't take the American flag with them, That that

1017
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: was a corpse, and that they were going to do

1018
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 1: something with it and something went wrong, and maybe that

1019
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: or just maybe they on the way overboard, they grabbed

1020
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: the ship's flag to use as a blanket or a sail,

1021
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: and the guy was just sleeping in. You know, it's

1022
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 1: hard to say. And speaking of the lifeboat, this is

1023
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 1: another thing that's inexplicable, is the size of the lifeboat.

1024
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: Putting ten people in the in the lifeboat. Do you

1025
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: know the size of the life you know, I couldn't.

1026
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: I couldn't find out anything definitive. But I found a

1027
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:42,839
Speaker 1: picture of a scale model from some maritime museum, and

1028
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,879
Speaker 1: the lifeboat is mounted transversely in the in the middle

1029
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: of the boat, across the cargo hatch. Transversely means sideways, side, sideways.

1030
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 1: In other words, yeah, it's it's it's right, not front

1031
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: to back, so that you can slide it one way

1032
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: or another off the ship. Yes, yeah, I got it. Yeah.

1033
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 1: And so it's always mounted right side up. And the

1034
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: beam of the ship is twenty six and a half feet,

1035
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: and so in order to have room to get around

1036
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: And again, looking closely at this photograph, it looks like

1037
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: there must be at least three feet on either side

1038
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: of that thing to get around it. So that makes

1039
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 1: it at most twenty ft long. Maybe it makes it

1040
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: at most long, So I don't know. Well, you know

1041
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: what what I think of is if did if you

1042
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: ever read Moby Dick or you've ever seen any of

1043
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: the Hollywood reenactments of it. They cram I think it's

1044
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 1: about eight guys into a little boat to go out

1045
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: and chase a whale, and it's tight quarters, But they do.

1046
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: I mean, you can do it on necessity. Necessity is

1047
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: the mother of all inventions. Yeah, but but it just

1048
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: seems to me that again, it makes getting into the

1049
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: lifeboat that's small of a boat with ten people, it

1050
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 1: just makes it seem like that much more unpalatable of

1051
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: an option. Oh no, I'm I'm not saying. I'm just

1052
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,359
Speaker 1: saying I can see it being possible. If you gotta

1053
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: get out, you gotta get out, do what you gotta

1054
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 1: left behind. Yeah, you gotta get off. But it's still

1055
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,359
Speaker 1: it's still a kind of a head scratcher. Why would

1056
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: you leave? So yeah, the alcohol fumes, the explosion, it's

1057
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 1: all possible, but it doesn't really make sense. Really. I

1058
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: kind of think we might be out of theories on

1059
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: this one. Yeah, there's no, there's no you know, even

1060
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 1: though the alcohol fields theory is that seems to be

1061
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: the strongest one out there. Everybody seems to like it,

1062
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: even even it's got his holes, you know, it doesn't

1063
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: really entirely make sense. Again, Like you were saying, why

1064
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 1: would everybody leave the boat? Yeah, you know, because even

1065
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,839
Speaker 1: with the danger of explosion or whatever, leaving the boat

1066
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: is pretty danger pretty damn everybody leaving the boat, right,

1067
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 1: especially everybody leaving Yeah. Yeah, Well, in the end, I mean,

1068
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: it's it's was. It was a bit of a tragedy

1069
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: obviously because the crew died, and it really kind of

1070
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 1: sang the end of the Mary Celeste because she didn't

1071
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 1: last much longer after that. Did she through about another

1072
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: thirteen years I believe, Yeah, But and then somebody scuttled her. Yeah,

1073
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: somebody like ran her, ran her aground some shoals and

1074
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 1: haiti as a part of an insurance scam. Yeah, he

1075
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,919
Speaker 1: was trying to collect insurance. She was not a good

1076
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: luck Maybe that's what this was. This was an attempt,

1077
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: a really ill fated attempt to collect insurance. Man, I

1078
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 1: don't think that somebody would say, Hey, I've got my

1079
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 1: wife and kid on board, but you know what, I'm

1080
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: just gonna I'm just gonna sink this thing. That'll be fine. Yeah, yeah,

1081
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: I mean I mean things like disease outbreaks, things like that,

1082
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 1: I mean those are kind of compelling, except there'd be

1083
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 1: entries in the log, so that's you would think. So,

1084
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 1: you know, and like that, I'm compelled to think, like,

1085
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 1: you know, say, their cruising along and they find another

1086
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: ghost ship, and so they stopped. They put the lifeboat

1087
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 1: out so they can paddle over to check this this

1088
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 1: empty ship out, and that for some reason, they never

1089
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 1: never make it back to their own ship. Now this,

1090
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: you know, this makes no sense either, because I mean,

1091
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 1: obviously they all just go hop on another ship, you know,

1092
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: I mean there must have been one hell of a

1093
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 1: nice ship, but that everybody leaves. Yeah, So so I'm

1094
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 1: always liking the double the double sort of ghost ship idea.

1095
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: That's kind of cool, the double double double ghost One

1096
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: ghost ship met another ghost ship. So yeah, there was

1097
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:23,959
Speaker 1: there was one that I was I was reading about

1098
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: and I was doing some research. This is months ago,

1099
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: and there was like some ghost ship where and this

1100
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: might have been entirely affectional. I didn't have enough time

1101
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 1: to research it. But so that a ship comes upon this,

1102
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: this abandoned empty sailing ship and some of them and

1103
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: so they go aboard. Nobody's nobody is there. It's just

1104
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 1: sailing sitting there empty. They put some crew on board

1105
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: this ship because it's a nice ship. They want to

1106
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 1: salvage and claim salvage title. And so they had a

1107
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 1: sort of in tandem to wherever they're going I don't know,

1108
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: I don't remember where. And then and there's a there's

1109
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 1: a little bit of foul weather, they kind of lose

1110
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,439
Speaker 1: track of each other, and then eventually the first ship

1111
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 1: finds the ghost shipped again, but it's the crew was

1112
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 1: gone again. Yes, I do remember that story was in

1113
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 1: the research that that was up when we were doing

1114
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 1: the houring mcdan one of those little probably stories that

1115
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 1: was probably one that came across and that if that

1116
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 1: Roy told us that one. Yeah, I don't know. And

1117
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 1: then but then at that point, it's a really tricky part,

1118
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: which is persuading still more members of your crew to

1119
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: go up. Yeah, yeah, alright, alright, So anyway, um, so

1120
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 1: out of all the possible ones, let's see what we

1121
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 1: got here. But I'm gonna go with dlex What are

1122
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: you guys gonna go with? And if I like it,

1123
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: it's kind of like, yeah, I God, if I have

1124
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 1: to choose one, do I have to choose one? Because

1125
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: I don't really, I don't. None of these just seem

1126
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 1: applauseable enough to me, not cohesive. And yeah, there's and

1127
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: I understand that this is a hundred and fifty years

1128
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 1: ago or dang near under forty years ago, and so

1129
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 1: the pieces have fallen apart in the retelling. But it

1130
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 1: just I know, I just I can't. I can't see

1131
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 1: anyven be incredible enough. There's got to be something that

1132
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 1: we haven't thought of that swept all of those people

1133
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 1: off in a hurry. I mean, who knows. Maybe they

1134
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: changed over and hopped onto a carnival cruise. I don't know,

1135
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 1: but that was a mistake because the carnival cruise built down.

1136
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: Well obviously we know now that was their mistake, but

1137
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 1: at the time they didn't know who was I don't know,

1138
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: I really did. I can, and I can speculate that perhaps, um,

1139
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,959
Speaker 1: perhaps that broken that broken rope was actually an anchor rope,

1140
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 1: and maybe they found some deserted cool island and they

1141
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 1: decided to, like, I'll go ashore. They anchored, but have

1142
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 1: a little holl Yeah, I have a little holiday. But

1143
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 1: you know why they would have left several sales set

1144
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 1: as opposed to furlier on their sales that that kind

1145
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 1: of shoots the hell out of that. Yeah, I mean,

1146
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: it's it's possible. I mean, if they only wanted to

1147
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 1: set one anchor, they could just put a few sales

1148
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 1: up and imagine the wind is really really light. I guess, yeah,

1149
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 1: you go shore, you're you're you're partying down on shore.

1150
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 1: You know. But you know what, captain would leave his

1151
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 1: ship completely empty circumstances. That's the thing that always just

1152
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 1: gets me. Yeah, and so yeah, so once again there's

1153
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 1: always some little hitch in all these different theories there.

1154
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 1: It's just nothing that can explain, you know. And that's

1155
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 1: where you know, the food contamination one. In a sense,

1156
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 1: it's almost compelling because because it's just insane, it's stupid

1157
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 1: enough to do what they did, that would that would

1158
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 1: kind of make you think that maybe you know, and

1159
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: you know, it's i mean, it's not uncommon. Are their

1160
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 1: stories such it's not a coming, but there are stories

1161
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 1: of people who are stuck at sea and they get

1162
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 1: things that are tainted or worse off, they drink sea

1163
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 1: water and they start to hallucinate and then they go, oh, hey,

1164
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 1: there's my car, and they just walk off the boat

1165
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 1: and go swimming away and there's nothing you can do

1166
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 1: to stop him. Yeah, I know, it's it's hard to

1167
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 1: it's hard to imagine that all ten people would have

1168
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 1: been equally looney and equally motivated to just walk off

1169
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 1: the boat. And so again that kind of shoots that

1170
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 1: one to hell. But that that might explain maybe the

1171
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 1: way the lifeboat was gone, because if somebody was I

1172
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 1: wanted two people walked off the boat and the rest

1173
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:33,920
Speaker 1: of them sort of like launched the boat not realizing.

1174
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 1: Maybe they were just addled enough to not realize, hey,

1175
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 1: you know, we can just turn the boat around. So

1176
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 1: they loaunched the life or they don't it, or well,

1177
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 1: think about this, if it's a couple of the seamen

1178
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 1: to go over, and then it's the wife and the

1179
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: child and one guy who's the lowest mate on the

1180
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 1: wrong that doesn't know what's going on. He's the the greenhorn.

1181
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 1: He said, I don't know how to steer this thing. Okay, well,

1182
01:01:58,000 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: let's let's take the boat out there. We'll get him.

1183
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 1: We'll come. Can't be going that fast. I feel like

1184
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 1: we could literally do this for hours. Yea, we have

1185
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: definitely gone on, gone on too long. I think as

1186
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 1: it is so anyway, folks, I guess this is the

1187
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 1: first we haven't solved the mystery. Yeah, yeah, all right,

1188
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 1: Well anyway, Uh, we're gonna have some cool links on

1189
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 1: our website that's Thinking Sideways podcast dot com. And if

1190
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 1: you want to look us up on iTunes, you'll find

1191
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 1: us out there. Download all the episodes that you want

1192
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 1: to be sure to leave us a rating and comments

1193
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:36,320
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1194
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:38,520
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1195
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 1: an email at Thinking Sideways Podcast at gmail dot com.

1196
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 1: And actually, the one the people I'd really like to

1197
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 1: hear from it, I'd like at least one of you

1198
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 1: to buy a red oak barrel, fill it full of

1199
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 1: alcohol and just see how long it takes for all

1200
01:02:52,520 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 1: the alcohol to see entirely away like a project. Oh

1201
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 1: that's a bad idea. In his basements. We have many eager,

1202
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 1: helpful readers or listeners, and I'm sure some of them,

1203
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 1: at least one of them, is going to want to

1204
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 1: do this for us. And also, of course, if you

1205
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 1: have any thoughts yourselves, any any possible new theories that

1206
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 1: we haven't talked about and you'd like to bring to

1207
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 1: our attention. We'd love to hear about it. So again,

1208
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 1: that email addressing you, Saide was podcast at gmail dot com. Ah,

1209
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 1: so it concludes another um, what's the word, I'm thinking

1210
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 1: hard hitting? You say you use hard hitting before at

1211
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 1: the beginning. I can oh no, not at all. It

1212
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 1: was very climatic. So concludes another scintilating episode of yes, yes,

1213
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 1: be using theories again. Yeah I obviously haven't because I

1214
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 1: can't say yeah. So anyway, episode of thinking sideways, so

1215
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 1: folks until next week. By everybody, I think he meant scintillating.

1216
01:03:52,880 --> 01:04:00,080
Speaker 1: It was scintillating. Yeah, you're right. W