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Speaker 1: The Season with Peter Schrager is a production of the

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Speaker 1: NFL in partnership with iHeartRadio. What's Up, Everybody, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: another episode of the Season with Peter Schrager on Peter

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Speaker 1: Schrager host Good Morning Football on NFL Network Monday to Friday,

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Speaker 1: and you can see me on Sundays on Fox NFL Kickoff.

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Speaker 1: And there's been a lot of talk about Patrick Mahomes

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Speaker 1: over the last few days and his ankle and whether

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Speaker 1: he's gonna go. And I just find it so fascinating

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Speaker 1: because this year's NFL schedule plays out unlike any other

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Speaker 1: year we've had in the past. The NFL really dropped

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Speaker 1: a major, major fork in the road here with this

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Speaker 1: Christmas Day slate on Wednesday, December twenty fifth. And I

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Speaker 1: say that becase because it affected the weeks prior and

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Speaker 1: after in the NFL schedule and playoff seedings. You see,

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Speaker 1: by putting a game on a Wednesday for the first

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Speaker 1: time ever in NFL history, you end up really running

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Speaker 1: had to pair teams together that we're gonna have the

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Speaker 1: which means if you're gonna do two games, that's four teams.

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Speaker 1: It just so happens. The NFL was gonna go big

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Speaker 1: you're not gonna throw Jaguars, Titans and Saints Panthers on

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Speaker 1: Christmas Day. You're gonna go big ticket. So the NFL

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Speaker 1: wanted to give us Lamar, they wanted to give us Mahomes,

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Speaker 1: and they wanted to give us worthy opponents. Well, the Steelers,

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Speaker 1: they were always relevant, that's one of them. The Texans

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Speaker 1: have a cool story in CJ. Stroud and Miko Ryance.

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Speaker 1: Let's throw them in there too. Just so happens. These

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Speaker 1: they're four of the top teams in the AFC. And

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Speaker 1: now they and they begin this little miniature tournament where

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Speaker 1: the two matchups are spread across two weeks and they

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Speaker 1: Let me detail this all as I record this on

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Speaker 1: a Wednesday. All right, you have seven teams in the

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Speaker 1: Denver's win over Indianapolis. Now, a few weeks back, the

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Speaker 1: have to play two road Thursday night games. We'll play

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Speaker 1: on a Thursday night. The NFL said, let's move Chargers

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Speaker 1: you have six teams that are currently in the playoff

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Speaker 1: the AFC. You have a Thursday night Chargers versus Broncos

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Speaker 1: have a Saturday slate which is six days rest, that

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Speaker 1: Last decision you have to make. Do you save Mahomes

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Speaker 1: it's no blame to the NFL, it's no blame to Netflix,

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Speaker 1: it's no blame to the schedule makers. You could have

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Speaker 1: mini AFC tournament that just doesn't include Buffalo. I don't

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Speaker 1: Real quick, I watched the first episode of the Rogers

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Speaker 1: documentary Enigma. I really liked it. I thought it was

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Speaker 1: The interesting side of it is the Rogers aspect of it.

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Speaker 1: whether Jets fans want to hear that or not. Speaking

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Speaker 2: all the ways that he's going to, you know, all

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00:22:54,866 --> 00:22:56,666
Speaker 2: the ways that he's going to be a presence in

427
00:22:56,706 --> 00:23:03,146
Speaker 2: college football, I'm really interested in his schematic presence. You know,

428
00:23:03,226 --> 00:23:08,346
Speaker 2: we've seen so many offensive players, especially quarterbacks, come out

429
00:23:08,386 --> 00:23:11,706
Speaker 2: of college with just insane statistics. And we know all

430
00:23:11,746 --> 00:23:14,866
Speaker 2: the reasons why the hash marks, the space, the air raid,

431
00:23:14,866 --> 00:23:17,026
Speaker 2: you know, all the ways that they figured out to

432
00:23:17,146 --> 00:23:22,346
Speaker 2: turn you know, quarterbacks who even weren't repiably recruited out

433
00:23:22,386 --> 00:23:25,106
Speaker 2: of high school turn into college stars and then kind

434
00:23:25,106 --> 00:23:27,986
Speaker 2: of turn into you know, players who can't stay along,

435
00:23:28,146 --> 00:23:30,866
Speaker 2: stay can't stay long, very very long, if at all.

436
00:23:30,906 --> 00:23:33,506
Speaker 2: In the NFL. I'm really interesting to see how he's

437
00:23:33,506 --> 00:23:36,426
Speaker 2: going to shut those offenses down from a defensive perspective,

438
00:23:38,426 --> 00:23:41,666
Speaker 2: and and you know, will North Carolina get you know,

439
00:23:41,746 --> 00:23:43,546
Speaker 2: the top talent. I mean, that's one of the things

440
00:23:43,546 --> 00:23:45,866
Speaker 2: that we always talk about. One of the big differences

441
00:23:45,866 --> 00:23:47,866
Speaker 2: between college and pro football is that like a lot

442
00:23:47,866 --> 00:23:51,226
Speaker 2: of college players play against, you know, teams that don't

443
00:23:51,266 --> 00:23:53,746
Speaker 2: have the top talent whereas in the NFL it's quite

444
00:23:53,746 --> 00:23:57,146
Speaker 2: a bit different. You know, how much will he be

445
00:23:57,186 --> 00:24:00,106
Speaker 2: able to scheme, what will be the players that he

446
00:24:00,266 --> 00:24:03,106
Speaker 2: needs that he doesn't quite have yet. All that stuff

447
00:24:03,146 --> 00:24:03,946
Speaker 2: will be fascinating.

448
00:24:04,546 --> 00:24:07,666
Speaker 1: I'm not going to the name of the individual, but

449
00:24:07,706 --> 00:24:09,946
Speaker 1: I have a friend who's a former NFL player who's

450
00:24:09,986 --> 00:24:14,346
Speaker 1: got a really talented high school athlete football player, And

451
00:24:14,386 --> 00:24:17,826
Speaker 1: I asked him, I said, knowing what Belichick is as

452
00:24:17,826 --> 00:24:20,146
Speaker 1: a coach, like that, is that an advantage would you

453
00:24:20,146 --> 00:24:21,346
Speaker 1: send your kid? He said, well, how much is the

454
00:24:21,386 --> 00:24:24,386
Speaker 1: nil money? With a laugh? Like I think this feeling

455
00:24:24,626 --> 00:24:28,066
Speaker 1: that that Belichick's gonna sit down and that these players

456
00:24:28,066 --> 00:24:30,386
Speaker 1: of a different generation and these parents of a different generation,

457
00:24:30,466 --> 00:24:33,306
Speaker 1: parents are in their forties, of these college kids, like,

458
00:24:33,666 --> 00:24:35,946
Speaker 1: are they going to necessarily say, well that, okay, my

459
00:24:36,066 --> 00:24:38,586
Speaker 1: son just got to the highest level in high school.

460
00:24:38,586 --> 00:24:40,786
Speaker 1: They're throwing around millions of dollars to go to Ohio

461
00:24:40,826 --> 00:24:44,026
Speaker 1: State and go to Florida and these great SEC programs, Like,

462
00:24:44,506 --> 00:24:46,306
Speaker 1: but I want him to be more disciplined and learn

463
00:24:46,306 --> 00:24:49,106
Speaker 1: about time management and become the best technically sound football player.

464
00:24:49,426 --> 00:24:52,666
Speaker 1: Is that an appealing pitch? I I don't remember. I'm

465
00:24:52,706 --> 00:24:55,386
Speaker 1: too young to remember Bill Walsh's return to Stanford, but

466
00:24:55,426 --> 00:24:57,106
Speaker 1: I did a lot of work looking at that he

467
00:24:57,186 --> 00:24:59,146
Speaker 1: did three years after the Niners when he came out

468
00:24:59,186 --> 00:25:01,786
Speaker 1: of retirement, and the first year went really well and

469
00:25:01,786 --> 00:25:04,266
Speaker 1: then the last two years did not. They're like, I don't

470
00:25:04,426 --> 00:25:07,146
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like, do you think the young high

471
00:25:07,186 --> 00:25:10,346
Speaker 1: school athlete who's a star in Florida and Texas wants

472
00:25:10,426 --> 00:25:13,026
Speaker 1: to go be coached really hard by Bill Belichick? I

473
00:25:13,066 --> 00:25:14,026
Speaker 1: don't know if that's true.

474
00:25:14,346 --> 00:25:16,026
Speaker 2: Yeah, not all of them. But I do think he

475
00:25:16,106 --> 00:25:19,426
Speaker 2: is a bigger pool and you know, his his name

476
00:25:19,506 --> 00:25:24,306
Speaker 2: recognition I do think will matter. I think that, like

477
00:25:24,746 --> 00:25:26,586
Speaker 2: you know, there's gonna be certain schools that will just

478
00:25:26,626 --> 00:25:30,266
Speaker 2: bid for players and he'll never really those guys will

479
00:25:30,306 --> 00:25:35,586
Speaker 2: never consider North Carolina. So, given what's left, can he

480
00:25:35,666 --> 00:25:37,826
Speaker 2: put together a winning team? That's gonna be one of

481
00:25:37,826 --> 00:25:40,586
Speaker 2: his big and most fascinating challenges. I thought it was interesting,

482
00:25:41,346 --> 00:25:45,706
Speaker 2: you know, he talked about the pipeline into the NFL

483
00:25:45,786 --> 00:25:49,146
Speaker 2: and feeling assured that he has you know, NFL contacts,

484
00:25:49,426 --> 00:25:51,666
Speaker 2: you know that he can vouch for his players, for

485
00:25:51,746 --> 00:25:56,986
Speaker 2: those who indeed have an NFL future. That will be

486
00:25:57,026 --> 00:26:00,226
Speaker 2: fascinating to watch too, because you know, the teams that

487
00:26:00,386 --> 00:26:06,346
Speaker 2: pick them the Belichick type player. You know, remember he

488
00:26:06,506 --> 00:26:08,986
Speaker 2: had a couple of thin drafts there, of course in

489
00:26:09,026 --> 00:26:10,666
Speaker 2: the middle of his time in New England, and a

490
00:26:10,706 --> 00:26:13,266
Speaker 2: lot of it was because so many people who are

491
00:26:13,346 --> 00:26:15,146
Speaker 2: running teams in the NFL had come out of that

492
00:26:15,146 --> 00:26:17,906
Speaker 2: building and there was a premium on that player, whereas

493
00:26:17,946 --> 00:26:20,186
Speaker 2: for years it was really just the Patriots looking for

494
00:26:20,226 --> 00:26:23,226
Speaker 2: that type of guy. So it'll be interesting to see

495
00:26:23,306 --> 00:26:26,226
Speaker 2: what teams draft out of North Carolina. Is it, you know,

496
00:26:26,306 --> 00:26:29,266
Speaker 2: the Harbas, you know, people that he has good relationships with,

497
00:26:30,746 --> 00:26:32,306
Speaker 2: you know, day Ball. If he ends up staying with

498
00:26:32,346 --> 00:26:37,506
Speaker 2: the Giants, obviously McVeigh came out and said that, you know,

499
00:26:37,866 --> 00:26:41,306
Speaker 2: he would definitely be looking at North Carolina players more doubt.

500
00:26:41,906 --> 00:26:45,746
Speaker 2: The NFL has shifted, I mean, you know, it happens

501
00:26:45,786 --> 00:26:48,746
Speaker 2: all the time, but it's transitioned to a new group

502
00:26:48,786 --> 00:26:53,746
Speaker 2: of coaches and those guys have studied Belichick and are

503
00:26:53,786 --> 00:26:55,866
Speaker 2: trying to take some of his lessons and lessons that

504
00:26:55,906 --> 00:26:58,506
Speaker 2: they've learned throughout the year from other places and evolved

505
00:26:58,506 --> 00:27:01,506
Speaker 2: it in their own way. So it'll be interesting to see,

506
00:27:01,506 --> 00:27:03,746
Speaker 2: like how that all fits in and does.

507
00:27:03,626 --> 00:27:07,066
Speaker 1: He utilize that alumni base of players. Now, look, Brady

508
00:27:07,106 --> 00:27:08,746
Speaker 1: and him will play together for twenty years. When he

509
00:27:08,826 --> 00:27:11,866
Speaker 1: was prompted with a story about Belichick, it wasn't exactly

510
00:27:11,906 --> 00:27:15,266
Speaker 1: a glowing one on Sunday on the broadcast. I know

511
00:27:15,266 --> 00:27:18,426
Speaker 1: Belichick will get Brady's vote of a proove, Like what

512
00:27:18,506 --> 00:27:20,186
Speaker 1: do he have? I mean, Belichick is so much pride.

513
00:27:20,226 --> 00:27:22,986
Speaker 1: Is he gonna call Gronk and Belichick and ask them

514
00:27:22,986 --> 00:27:26,026
Speaker 1: to like talk to players like Jed Fish used to

515
00:27:26,106 --> 00:27:29,706
Speaker 1: fly in Teddy Bruski and Rob Gronkowski and have them

516
00:27:29,706 --> 00:27:32,986
Speaker 1: speak to the play I can't imagine without those guys

517
00:27:33,026 --> 00:27:36,706
Speaker 1: just openly volunteering, Belichick begging for favors from these players.

518
00:27:36,746 --> 00:27:37,706
Speaker 1: It's just not in his nature.

519
00:27:38,506 --> 00:27:41,226
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think that like a lot

520
00:27:41,266 --> 00:27:44,266
Speaker 2: of powerful people will come through North Carolina just based

521
00:27:44,306 --> 00:27:47,306
Speaker 2: on its athletic history and just the power of the university,

522
00:27:47,626 --> 00:27:50,026
Speaker 2: and he'll bring it. He'll usher in those people also.

523
00:27:50,506 --> 00:27:53,546
Speaker 2: But again it goes back to like the type of player.

524
00:27:53,906 --> 00:27:56,706
Speaker 2: You know, a lot of these guys weren't born when

525
00:27:56,746 --> 00:28:00,026
Speaker 2: he was beginning to revolutionize Pro football and winning Super

526
00:28:00,026 --> 00:28:06,346
Speaker 2: bowls with the Patriots. And again, this will be one

527
00:28:06,306 --> 00:28:08,546
Speaker 2: of the most fascinating challenges. I mean, we haven't seen

528
00:28:08,586 --> 00:28:11,186
Speaker 2: this even when Bill Walsh came back, you know, he

529
00:28:11,226 --> 00:28:12,786
Speaker 2: had been out of the game for a little bit.

530
00:28:12,906 --> 00:28:16,306
Speaker 2: I think that like he wasn't coming back to necessarily

531
00:28:16,346 --> 00:28:20,186
Speaker 2: win championships. And you know, Belichick has has one gear,

532
00:28:20,346 --> 00:28:23,666
Speaker 2: and that's he expects to win every single game. And

533
00:28:24,266 --> 00:28:30,346
Speaker 2: you know he coaches and prepares and studies like his self.

534
00:28:30,506 --> 00:28:34,906
Speaker 2: Worth is at risk with what happens on Sundays, and

535
00:28:34,946 --> 00:28:39,466
Speaker 2: it has led to some of the most brilliant football

536
00:28:39,506 --> 00:28:42,706
Speaker 2: decisions and best games in NFL history. It at times

537
00:28:42,706 --> 00:28:47,826
Speaker 2: has been spectacularly unhealthy. But that's how he's wired. And

538
00:28:48,586 --> 00:28:50,306
Speaker 2: I don't I think that like being out of the

539
00:28:50,346 --> 00:28:53,186
Speaker 2: game for a year has indulled those instincts in him.

540
00:28:53,266 --> 00:28:55,626
Speaker 2: If anything, it's sharpened him.

541
00:29:05,026 --> 00:29:07,346
Speaker 1: I can't. I Before we move on from Belichick, the

542
00:29:07,426 --> 00:29:09,266
Speaker 1: Jets story did make a lot of waves here in

543
00:29:09,306 --> 00:29:12,386
Speaker 1: New York just because of how much he hates the Jets.

544
00:29:12,506 --> 00:29:15,266
Speaker 1: And that's assumed and that's not like that was not

545
00:29:15,786 --> 00:29:18,146
Speaker 1: leaked by them. They did not share that. Like that

546
00:29:18,266 --> 00:29:21,346
Speaker 1: story gets out. I'm trying to think of the mastermind

547
00:29:21,546 --> 00:29:24,746
Speaker 1: of Belichick and Lombardi and like how that story even

548
00:29:24,786 --> 00:29:27,266
Speaker 1: gets put out there, that there was a phone call

549
00:29:27,306 --> 00:29:29,546
Speaker 1: made and was the intention to embarrass the Jets that

550
00:29:29,546 --> 00:29:32,746
Speaker 1: they weren't even willing to interview him? Like, what what

551
00:29:32,786 --> 00:29:36,426
Speaker 1: do you make of Bill Belichick, who openly hates the

552
00:29:36,466 --> 00:29:39,386
Speaker 1: New York Jets ownership and openly hates that New York Jets'

553
00:29:39,386 --> 00:29:43,226
Speaker 1: logo would proactively call on his own behalf to inquire

554
00:29:43,226 --> 00:29:44,226
Speaker 1: about a coaching position.

555
00:29:44,746 --> 00:29:47,306
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I have a lot of respect for Diana,

556
00:29:47,346 --> 00:29:49,506
Speaker 2: so she can speak to you know, how she reported

557
00:29:49,826 --> 00:29:50,146
Speaker 2: the site.

558
00:29:50,266 --> 00:29:52,346
Speaker 1: I wasn't even asking who gave it to her. The

559
00:29:52,386 --> 00:29:55,026
Speaker 1: fact that it even happens to me is amazing. And

560
00:29:55,066 --> 00:29:57,826
Speaker 1: then yeah, like where does that and the fact that

561
00:29:57,826 --> 00:30:00,066
Speaker 1: the story is seated out there? What was the intention?

562
00:30:00,186 --> 00:30:03,426
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I'm fascinated by the mental gymnastics

563
00:30:03,426 --> 00:30:03,786
Speaker 1: of it all.

564
00:30:04,386 --> 00:30:08,026
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's interesting because this year we got a

565
00:30:08,026 --> 00:30:11,026
Speaker 2: little bit of a glimpse of spicy Belichick. Right, he

566
00:30:11,146 --> 00:30:13,786
Speaker 2: was never going to go you know, full staff meeting

567
00:30:13,826 --> 00:30:16,866
Speaker 2: where he could just be ruthless and criticism of opposing

568
00:30:16,906 --> 00:30:20,586
Speaker 2: coaches players, whoever it might be his critiques. But you know,

569
00:30:20,626 --> 00:30:22,506
Speaker 2: this year we got a little glimpse of it when

570
00:30:22,826 --> 00:30:26,546
Speaker 2: he did the Maning cast Atlanta Falcons game. You know,

571
00:30:26,586 --> 00:30:28,546
Speaker 2: he was very critical of their defense. You know, that

572
00:30:28,626 --> 00:30:32,466
Speaker 2: was obviously the team that didn't hire him and didn't

573
00:30:32,506 --> 00:30:36,346
Speaker 2: place him in their top three candidates, according to our

574
00:30:36,426 --> 00:30:40,786
Speaker 2: story in April. And then you know, when Sala was fired,

575
00:30:40,866 --> 00:30:43,746
Speaker 2: and I think that everybody around the league, no matter

576
00:30:43,786 --> 00:30:46,986
Speaker 2: what you think about Sala as a head coach, saw

577
00:30:47,106 --> 00:30:51,386
Speaker 2: the timing and the rationale for that is just beyond inexplicable.

578
00:30:51,466 --> 00:30:56,826
Speaker 2: I mean, I get that they needed a sparkle, man,

579
00:30:57,546 --> 00:31:01,746
Speaker 2: my god, you know, but clearly he took issue with that,

580
00:31:01,866 --> 00:31:04,826
Speaker 2: and I thought that was really interesting, not only because

581
00:31:04,906 --> 00:31:07,866
Speaker 2: he had his ready fire aim line, you know, ready

582
00:31:07,866 --> 00:31:09,866
Speaker 2: to go, which he deployed it on a couple different

583
00:31:09,906 --> 00:31:12,786
Speaker 2: of his many media platforms, you know, but he had

584
00:31:12,826 --> 00:31:16,026
Speaker 2: the coaches back, and you know, Sola's Jets have played

585
00:31:16,066 --> 00:31:18,626
Speaker 2: the Patriots really hard and at times, you know, you

586
00:31:18,746 --> 00:31:21,626
Speaker 2: saw the difference in those games as being the Jets

587
00:31:21,786 --> 00:31:26,346
Speaker 2: horrific offensive production. And so that he would have a

588
00:31:26,386 --> 00:31:30,626
Speaker 2: conversation through Tannenbaum about the Jets. I mean, there's so

589
00:31:30,666 --> 00:31:33,906
Speaker 2: many interesting factors there, especially because tannonbamb was the main

590
00:31:33,946 --> 00:31:37,946
Speaker 2: person who blew the whistle on spygate, Mangini for the Jets,

591
00:31:38,386 --> 00:31:40,426
Speaker 2: and of course the Jets hired Tanne bomb back after

592
00:31:40,466 --> 00:31:44,786
Speaker 2: they fire him to conduct the search. But I think

593
00:31:44,826 --> 00:31:47,706
Speaker 2: he just needed to make sure that he has a

594
00:31:47,746 --> 00:31:50,186
Speaker 2: lot of respect for Aaron Rodgers. Obviously he you know,

595
00:31:50,306 --> 00:31:52,626
Speaker 2: he's been complimentary of some of the players on that team.

596
00:31:52,666 --> 00:31:54,466
Speaker 2: I think he just needed to make sure that there

597
00:31:54,546 --> 00:31:57,306
Speaker 2: wasn't one of those Mike Shanahan situations where we're going

598
00:31:57,346 --> 00:31:58,866
Speaker 2: to hire you, but we can't say it now.

599
00:31:59,026 --> 00:31:59,266
Speaker 1: Yeah.

600
00:31:59,666 --> 00:32:01,746
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I do think that, like I do think

601
00:32:01,746 --> 00:32:04,186
Speaker 2: that Brian Flores lawsuit has played a factor in this.

602
00:32:04,746 --> 00:32:06,826
Speaker 1: I don't know what's the connection there.

603
00:32:07,146 --> 00:32:12,226
Speaker 2: Well, because owners do not want to communicate be well,

604
00:32:12,266 --> 00:32:13,986
Speaker 2: they don't want to be subpoena again. They don't want

605
00:32:13,986 --> 00:32:15,346
Speaker 2: to be part of this. This is a go down

606
00:32:15,386 --> 00:32:16,986
Speaker 2: league in three teams. They don't want to make it

607
00:32:16,986 --> 00:32:19,826
Speaker 2: four or five, six, seven teams, especially about a coach

608
00:32:19,866 --> 00:32:23,026
Speaker 2: that they're not completely convinced of. I think for a

609
00:32:23,066 --> 00:32:27,506
Speaker 2: while I was thinking that maybe this year would be

610
00:32:27,586 --> 00:32:31,786
Speaker 2: where teams were firing coaches early to get first first

611
00:32:31,826 --> 00:32:34,946
Speaker 2: crack at Belichick the way they did for Mike Shanahan

612
00:32:34,986 --> 00:32:37,746
Speaker 2: when he went to Washington. But the landscape has changed

613
00:32:37,826 --> 00:32:40,946
Speaker 2: and owners just cannot be on record in any way,

614
00:32:40,986 --> 00:32:43,906
Speaker 2: shape or form saying, you know, we're going to hire Bill,

615
00:32:43,986 --> 00:32:45,866
Speaker 2: but first we have to go through this thrill. They

616
00:32:45,906 --> 00:32:46,946
Speaker 2: just cannot do it.

617
00:32:46,946 --> 00:32:49,786
Speaker 1: It's fascinating, you know, and it's It's also what put

618
00:32:49,826 --> 00:32:51,426
Speaker 1: the Jets in a bind. Even if they wanted to

619
00:32:51,466 --> 00:32:54,266
Speaker 1: meet with Belichick, they were seidfast that they cannot do

620
00:32:54,306 --> 00:32:56,666
Speaker 1: anything until the end of the season. He had the

621
00:32:56,706 --> 00:32:59,626
Speaker 1: North Carolina thing in his back pocket. Now, what's interesting.

622
00:32:59,986 --> 00:33:02,346
Speaker 1: Lombardi is obviously a big part of this, and if

623
00:33:02,386 --> 00:33:04,306
Speaker 1: you know Micha Lombardi from his many media things, he's

624
00:33:04,306 --> 00:33:08,666
Speaker 1: also former NFLGM. He's on staff. Freddi Kinchins is on

625
00:33:08,786 --> 00:33:12,506
Speaker 1: staff in rapport referenced Scott Turner, Norf's kid who's currently

626
00:33:12,546 --> 00:33:15,266
Speaker 1: oca the Raiders. He might be in there, but like

627
00:33:15,826 --> 00:33:21,386
Speaker 1: I assume the next day, Steven Belichick, Matt Patricia, Mick Lombardi,

628
00:33:22,226 --> 00:33:25,546
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels been like, it hasn't happened so fast. So

629
00:33:25,706 --> 00:33:27,626
Speaker 1: I'm also interesting to see what staff he brings along

630
00:33:27,666 --> 00:33:30,466
Speaker 1: and where that is all at, because I assumed he

631
00:33:30,506 --> 00:33:32,826
Speaker 1: was bringing the whole, the whole dream team with him,

632
00:33:32,826 --> 00:33:34,746
Speaker 1: but the guys who are on the zoom calls, but

633
00:33:34,746 --> 00:33:35,466
Speaker 1: they haven't yet.

634
00:33:36,226 --> 00:33:38,586
Speaker 2: He hasn't yet, And I think that some of that

635
00:33:38,666 --> 00:33:40,386
Speaker 2: will probably shake out in the next week. I think

636
00:33:40,426 --> 00:33:44,226
Speaker 2: that for the first week they were recruiting, you know,

637
00:33:44,386 --> 00:33:46,186
Speaker 2: I think they were like using this way for what

638
00:33:46,226 --> 00:33:47,706
Speaker 2: it could And I think that like in the next

639
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Speaker 2: couple of weeks, he'll fill out that staff. And I'm

640
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Speaker 2: fascinated to see like what he wants to do. I mean,

641
00:33:53,586 --> 00:33:56,066
Speaker 2: there are things schematically you can do in college that

642
00:33:56,146 --> 00:33:58,746
Speaker 2: are just harder to do in the NFL. And he

643
00:33:58,906 --> 00:34:01,786
Speaker 2: is going to keep the Dabo Sweeneys of the world

644
00:34:01,866 --> 00:34:04,746
Speaker 2: on their toes. I mean, remember when I think it

645
00:34:04,826 --> 00:34:07,186
Speaker 2: was a Monday night game that they play the Bills

646
00:34:07,226 --> 00:34:09,066
Speaker 2: in Buffalo. It might have been like a really bad

647
00:34:09,066 --> 00:34:10,026
Speaker 2: weather game, didn't.

648
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Speaker 1: Pun and it didn't pass. They only they attempts, you know,

649
00:34:13,666 --> 00:34:14,826
Speaker 1: exactly three attempts.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I mean I could see that that card, you know,

651
00:34:18,386 --> 00:34:20,466
Speaker 2: that that club in the bag being taken out at

652
00:34:20,546 --> 00:34:23,746
Speaker 2: various points where he basically just runs the entire game

653
00:34:23,786 --> 00:34:26,786
Speaker 2: and puts no passes on film. Whatever it might be, Like,

654
00:34:26,866 --> 00:34:30,186
Speaker 2: I said, I think that from a schematic standpoint, we

655
00:34:30,266 --> 00:34:32,786
Speaker 2: might be underappreciating just how fun this season might be

656
00:34:33,666 --> 00:34:34,146
Speaker 2: really quick.

657
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Speaker 1: Do you have any insight on Vrabel and what he's

658
00:34:36,106 --> 00:34:38,226
Speaker 1: up to and what the words are there?

659
00:34:39,666 --> 00:34:42,626
Speaker 2: Well, I think that I can tell you that, like

660
00:34:45,106 --> 00:34:47,466
Speaker 2: when Rabel didn't get a job last year either, in

661
00:34:47,466 --> 00:34:50,466
Speaker 2: some ways it was more surprising than Belichick because of

662
00:34:50,506 --> 00:34:55,506
Speaker 2: how successful he's been, and obviously he had run out

663
00:34:55,546 --> 00:34:58,866
Speaker 2: of champions in Tennessee. And they bring in, you know,

664
00:34:58,906 --> 00:35:01,146
Speaker 2: the kind of different regime, one that we're kind of

665
00:35:01,426 --> 00:35:05,146
Speaker 2: used to seeing where you kind of switch directions from

666
00:35:05,786 --> 00:35:07,906
Speaker 2: more of a hard asked to someone who you know

667
00:35:08,026 --> 00:35:08,866
Speaker 2: is more in the.

668
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Speaker 1: Quarterback Friday collaboratory, and like, you know.

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Speaker 2: They've lost something. I mean, that team isn't as tough

670
00:35:15,226 --> 00:35:17,866
Speaker 2: as they used to be, as they were a year ago.

671
00:35:19,386 --> 00:35:22,866
Speaker 2: You know, Will Levis Rabel knew how to protect quarterbacks,

672
00:35:22,866 --> 00:35:25,106
Speaker 2: he knew how to win in the playoffs, not relying

673
00:35:25,146 --> 00:35:28,986
Speaker 2: on the quarterback. And I think that that Will was

674
00:35:29,026 --> 00:35:31,586
Speaker 2: in a better situation a year ago than he has

675
00:35:31,626 --> 00:35:34,186
Speaker 2: been this year. Even though Brian Callahan, you know, might

676
00:35:34,266 --> 00:35:38,386
Speaker 2: end up being a really good coach. So I think

677
00:35:38,426 --> 00:35:43,186
Speaker 2: that he will definitely be. I interviewed a lot. Now

678
00:35:43,266 --> 00:35:47,186
Speaker 2: where does he land? Does the NFL want someone like him? Again?

679
00:35:47,226 --> 00:35:48,586
Speaker 2: It's like it kind of goes back to that thing

680
00:35:48,666 --> 00:35:50,826
Speaker 2: that Belichick was talking about and some of the things

681
00:35:50,826 --> 00:35:52,506
Speaker 2: I reported in my article where it's like, you know,

682
00:35:52,546 --> 00:35:56,906
Speaker 2: what does the NFL become? And you know, I don't

683
00:35:56,946 --> 00:35:58,426
Speaker 2: know where it lands for him. I mean, I think

684
00:35:58,426 --> 00:36:00,506
Speaker 2: he's an excellent coach. I think he's He's one of

685
00:36:00,506 --> 00:36:02,546
Speaker 2: the few total head coaches in the NFL.

686
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Speaker 1: He's not out, can walk into any room and talk

687
00:36:04,986 --> 00:36:05,946
Speaker 1: to any position group.

688
00:36:06,466 --> 00:36:09,266
Speaker 2: He's not a glorified coordinator. And like, I just go

689
00:36:09,386 --> 00:36:11,906
Speaker 2: back to that game where his Titans beat Brady and

690
00:36:11,906 --> 00:36:14,386
Speaker 2: Belichick's Patriots, and what turned out to be their last

691
00:36:14,426 --> 00:36:18,106
Speaker 2: game together, where the fourth quarters coming up, the Titans

692
00:36:18,106 --> 00:36:20,186
Speaker 2: have to punt at midfield and you're thinking, here we

693
00:36:20,226 --> 00:36:22,786
Speaker 2: go again, Brady's getting get the ball, four passes to

694
00:36:22,906 --> 00:36:27,586
Speaker 2: Edelman and the game's over, And instead he deployed that

695
00:36:27,946 --> 00:36:32,066
Speaker 2: rule loophole that belichickainst the Jets earlier this year, where

696
00:36:32,226 --> 00:36:35,226
Speaker 2: earlier that year where he just melted the clock and

697
00:36:35,306 --> 00:36:38,346
Speaker 2: Bill went nuts on the other sideline. You watched him

698
00:36:38,346 --> 00:36:41,186
Speaker 2: do it he was so angry, and that to me

699
00:36:41,346 --> 00:36:46,106
Speaker 2: showed someone who really studies coaching well and hard and

700
00:36:46,346 --> 00:36:49,826
Speaker 2: was sophisticated and confident enough to pull that out at

701
00:36:49,866 --> 00:36:53,146
Speaker 2: the exact moment where it would work. You just don't

702
00:36:53,186 --> 00:36:55,786
Speaker 2: see that from a lot of coaches. And like, in

703
00:36:55,786 --> 00:36:57,266
Speaker 2: my opinion, he should be in the league.

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Speaker 1: And I would go to a Sunday night in Kansas

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00:36:59,986 --> 00:37:02,106
Speaker 1: City two years ago when he had Maline Willis and

706
00:37:02,146 --> 00:37:04,346
Speaker 1: they took him to overtime, and I think Willis through

707
00:37:04,386 --> 00:37:07,826
Speaker 1: for eighty yards and he went to to Toway. Rabel

708
00:37:07,906 --> 00:37:11,026
Speaker 1: is a great coach, but it's not ex's and o's,

709
00:37:11,146 --> 00:37:15,586
Speaker 1: it's necessarily personalities. And whereas Rahie Morris and Brian Callahan

710
00:37:16,226 --> 00:37:18,466
Speaker 1: are maybe a little more digestible for the building than

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00:37:18,826 --> 00:37:20,786
Speaker 1: Mike Rabel, who could be a threat because he comes

712
00:37:20,826 --> 00:37:23,386
Speaker 1: in with, hey, I know how to do this, let

713
00:37:23,426 --> 00:37:25,546
Speaker 1: me kind of run point. Not everyone wants to see

714
00:37:25,546 --> 00:37:26,346
Speaker 1: the power anymore.

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00:37:27,226 --> 00:37:29,226
Speaker 2: No, there's no doubt. And I think that, like you know,

716
00:37:31,946 --> 00:37:36,186
Speaker 2: work isn't always fun, you know when you're working for

717
00:37:36,226 --> 00:37:38,866
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick or you're working for Brabel, but they always

718
00:37:38,906 --> 00:37:42,266
Speaker 2: come back and you know, talk about the fun is

719
00:37:42,306 --> 00:37:44,106
Speaker 2: in the winning and that's where you get the joy

720
00:37:44,186 --> 00:37:46,266
Speaker 2: you see Brady. Remember when Brady left, I mean he

721
00:37:46,346 --> 00:37:48,426
Speaker 2: wanted something new. I mean he was fed up with

722
00:37:48,426 --> 00:37:51,706
Speaker 2: that system. And of course he goes from like you know,

723
00:37:52,306 --> 00:37:56,266
Speaker 2: Harvard to Florida State Internation of Culture. Right, and then

724
00:37:56,346 --> 00:37:59,946
Speaker 2: you saw what happened earlier this year when when Baker Mayfield,

725
00:37:59,986 --> 00:38:02,226
Speaker 2: you know, talked about how when he came to Tampa,

726
00:38:02,306 --> 00:38:05,946
Speaker 2: he kind of provided that levity and levity and like

727
00:38:06,026 --> 00:38:07,626
Speaker 2: kind of helped put people at ease and made it

728
00:38:07,666 --> 00:38:11,186
Speaker 2: a little bit more jovial and Belichick Brady responded like

729
00:38:11,786 --> 00:38:14,666
Speaker 2: would Yeah, he said, I find joy and winning. You know,

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00:38:14,706 --> 00:38:16,946
Speaker 2: that's exactly something that Belichick would have said.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. All right, So September is a faraways away and

732
00:38:20,986 --> 00:38:24,026
Speaker 1: we're literally nine months in advance. But I know you've

733
00:38:24,066 --> 00:38:27,026
Speaker 1: been sitting down with all these quarterback legends, and I

734
00:38:27,026 --> 00:38:28,946
Speaker 1: have read all your books and all your articles, and

735
00:38:28,986 --> 00:38:31,226
Speaker 1: I know you're in the midst of putting to bed

736
00:38:31,706 --> 00:38:33,506
Speaker 1: a book that you've been putting a lot of time into.

737
00:38:33,546 --> 00:38:35,586
Speaker 1: Can you tell us about the project that you've been

738
00:38:35,586 --> 00:38:38,026
Speaker 1: working on and how he can order it ahead of

739
00:38:38,066 --> 00:38:40,826
Speaker 1: time so I could read it when the season starts.

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Speaker 1: In September.

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00:38:41,626 --> 00:38:43,866
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks man. So I've been working on my second book.

742
00:38:43,906 --> 00:38:47,386
Speaker 2: It's called American Kings. It's a biography of the quarterback.

743
00:38:47,426 --> 00:38:50,466
Speaker 2: And I really spend a lot of time getting into

744
00:38:51,786 --> 00:38:55,586
Speaker 2: this unique, you know, American job with very unique responsibilities

745
00:38:55,626 --> 00:38:58,786
Speaker 2: and roles. I get into it with legends like Elway

746
00:38:58,986 --> 00:39:01,866
Speaker 2: and Moon, and you know, guys who want to be

747
00:39:01,986 --> 00:39:05,346
Speaker 2: legends like Arch Manning and the entire Manning family and

748
00:39:05,426 --> 00:39:08,546
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams, and even guys who are no longer alive

749
00:39:08,786 --> 00:39:13,386
Speaker 2: and their families like the United family, the Waterfield family.

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00:39:14,786 --> 00:39:18,666
Speaker 2: What I'm trying to do here is get at every

751
00:39:18,706 --> 00:39:21,106
Speaker 2: facet of what this job builds in these guys, what

752
00:39:21,186 --> 00:39:23,986
Speaker 2: it strips away, what it's like to do, the parts

753
00:39:23,986 --> 00:39:28,066
Speaker 2: of it that they love, what they hate, and how

754
00:39:28,106 --> 00:39:30,346
Speaker 2: it came to be. You know, how how did this

755
00:39:30,466 --> 00:39:34,346
Speaker 2: weird job of throwing this football come to be celebrated

756
00:39:34,386 --> 00:39:36,706
Speaker 2: on a level where you know, Peyton Manning is on

757
00:39:36,746 --> 00:39:40,586
Speaker 2: stage with Larry David and their their cultural peers and

758
00:39:40,666 --> 00:39:43,466
Speaker 2: the answer goes back to eighteen eighty five, interestingly enough.

759
00:39:43,546 --> 00:39:46,186
Speaker 2: But and then, you know, I spend a lot of

760
00:39:46,186 --> 00:39:47,826
Speaker 2: time in the book talking about what it's like to

761
00:39:47,866 --> 00:39:50,826
Speaker 2: have done this job at a high level and be

762
00:39:50,906 --> 00:39:52,946
Speaker 2: a Hall of Famer and live with that the rest

763
00:39:52,986 --> 00:39:55,386
Speaker 2: of your life and the ways that it gives you

764
00:39:55,466 --> 00:39:58,426
Speaker 2: blessings and the ways that it's incompatible with regular life.

765
00:39:58,466 --> 00:40:00,946
Speaker 2: So I'm really trying to tell a story about this

766
00:40:01,026 --> 00:40:03,026
Speaker 2: job that people care about. That's the hardest job to

767
00:40:03,066 --> 00:40:06,146
Speaker 2: do in sports in a new way, and I hopefully

768
00:40:06,146 --> 00:40:08,266
Speaker 2: did that. But yeah, you can pre order it anywhere

769
00:40:08,306 --> 00:40:10,626
Speaker 2: you get books. It'll be out in September. I will

770
00:40:10,626 --> 00:40:12,866
Speaker 2: be bugging you to be on your podcast again at

771
00:40:12,866 --> 00:40:15,066
Speaker 2: that point, but I really appreciate the books.

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00:40:15,226 --> 00:40:16,746
Speaker 1: On a napkin. If you have to write how many

773
00:40:16,826 --> 00:40:19,186
Speaker 1: quarterbacks you spoke to, what would be the number?

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00:40:20,026 --> 00:40:22,866
Speaker 2: Oh man, I have a map on my wall of

775
00:40:22,906 --> 00:40:25,746
Speaker 2: the country and I have like little note with each

776
00:40:25,786 --> 00:40:27,986
Speaker 2: one of them. I mean it was at least thirty.

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00:40:28,386 --> 00:40:30,546
Speaker 2: There's a lot of guys who you know, I spent

778
00:40:30,626 --> 00:40:33,946
Speaker 2: a lot of time with. You get their moment on stage,

779
00:40:33,986 --> 00:40:36,106
Speaker 2: but they're not on stage the way that like in

780
00:40:36,226 --> 00:40:37,466
Speaker 2: l Way or a moon or those.

781
00:40:37,306 --> 00:40:39,186
Speaker 1: Types of Give me an example, like are we talking

782
00:40:39,186 --> 00:40:42,426
Speaker 1: like a Josh McCown, like a case Keno. I mean.

783
00:40:43,866 --> 00:40:46,946
Speaker 2: I mean everywhere from like you know Kirk Cousins, you know,

784
00:40:47,106 --> 00:40:51,826
Speaker 2: he won the Athletes and Action Award two years ago

785
00:40:51,866 --> 00:40:54,146
Speaker 2: at the Super Bowl for his faith, and I kind

786
00:40:54,146 --> 00:40:57,346
Speaker 2: of wanted to know exactly ways that faith helps you

787
00:40:57,386 --> 00:41:00,346
Speaker 2: with this job, not in the trite kind of like,

788
00:41:00,626 --> 00:41:04,106
Speaker 2: you know, thank you God for this touchdown passway, but

789
00:41:04,226 --> 00:41:05,186
Speaker 2: in a real way, like.

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00:41:05,106 --> 00:41:08,026
Speaker 1: How it helps you devoting yourself and how that really

791
00:41:08,066 --> 00:41:09,026
Speaker 1: plays a role. Yeah.

792
00:41:09,066 --> 00:41:10,946
Speaker 2: Absolutely, because all these guys, you know, they're all trying

793
00:41:10,986 --> 00:41:13,986
Speaker 2: to control a job that they can't control, and they

794
00:41:14,066 --> 00:41:17,546
Speaker 2: all need some sort of outlet, whether it's you know,

795
00:41:17,706 --> 00:41:22,106
Speaker 2: beer or social media or Tom Brady avocado ice cream, yeah,

796
00:41:22,106 --> 00:41:24,706
Speaker 2: whatever it might be. And for Kirk Cousins, it's religion.

797
00:41:24,746 --> 00:41:28,666
Speaker 2: So I really wanted to understand that on the deepest

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00:41:28,746 --> 00:41:30,026
Speaker 2: level that I possibly could.

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Speaker 1: I can't. It's such a mountain of a project. I

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00:41:34,106 --> 00:41:35,826
Speaker 1: would think you can do a full book on any

801
00:41:35,866 --> 00:41:37,826
Speaker 1: of those top quarterbacks if you tell me you're doing

802
00:41:37,826 --> 00:41:40,186
Speaker 1: a Warren Moon book and Seth Chrisham's writing it like

803
00:41:40,186 --> 00:41:42,386
Speaker 1: I'm reading it three undred pages, so to see how

804
00:41:42,386 --> 00:41:44,386
Speaker 1: you weave all their stories into one, I can't wait.

805
00:41:44,426 --> 00:41:46,866
Speaker 1: And I know you've been working on it, dude. Thank

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00:41:46,866 --> 00:41:49,266
Speaker 1: you for joining me. This is so good, and we'll

807
00:41:49,266 --> 00:41:51,226
Speaker 1: both be at a UNC football game next year.

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00:41:51,266 --> 00:41:53,506
Speaker 2: I'm certain, definitely i'll see you, man. Thank you.

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00:42:03,266 --> 00:42:05,386
Speaker 1: Good stuff from Seth. I will be getting that book

810
00:42:05,386 --> 00:42:07,706
Speaker 1: and we will have them on again. And I started

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00:42:07,746 --> 00:42:09,666
Speaker 1: thinking about all the different quarterbacks I speak to, and

812
00:42:09,666 --> 00:42:13,506
Speaker 1: they're so different. To write a book on the quarterback position,

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00:42:13,586 --> 00:42:15,786
Speaker 1: I feel like you could do a six hundred chapter

814
00:42:15,826 --> 00:42:18,946
Speaker 1: book and be like, here's the Jim Everett chapter, here's

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00:42:18,986 --> 00:42:22,066
Speaker 1: the Bobby Abar chapter, Here's the Michael Vick chapter. Oh,

816
00:42:22,066 --> 00:42:25,266
Speaker 1: and we also spoke to Chris Chandler and here's Greg McElroy. Like,

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00:42:25,266 --> 00:42:26,786
Speaker 1: I don't know how you make a book out of

818
00:42:27,106 --> 00:42:29,666
Speaker 1: the quarterback position, but if anyone could do it, it's Seth.

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Speaker 1: And I can't wait to see what he gets. And

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00:42:31,866 --> 00:42:34,346
Speaker 1: Elway doesn't do a lot of media, so I'm fascinating

821
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Speaker 1: to hear what he got from Elway. The season with

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Speaker 1: Peter Schrager Delivering Results is presented by Uber Eats, and

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Speaker 1: I would like to give the award for the best

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00:42:46,266 --> 00:42:49,946
Speaker 1: performance to a Tampa Bay buccaneer named Mike Evans. Evans

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Speaker 1: had nine catches for one hundred and fifty nine yards

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Speaker 1: and two touchdowns, and did it against the number one

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Speaker 1: rated defense in the league, the LA Chargers, and a

829
00:42:58,066 --> 00:43:03,266
Speaker 1: must win for the Buccaneers last week. Evan's fantastic. He

830
00:43:03,306 --> 00:43:06,426
Speaker 1: goes from you know, not making it even a realist,

831
00:43:06,466 --> 00:43:08,626
Speaker 1: sick possibility for him to get a thousand yards this

832
00:43:08,666 --> 00:43:10,666
Speaker 1: season in the last two weeks, has these two huge

833
00:43:10,706 --> 00:43:12,626
Speaker 1: games that now all he's got to do is average

834
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Speaker 1: eighty five yards over the next three seasons and he'll

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Speaker 1: get his eleventh straight one thousand yard season, the best

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00:43:17,986 --> 00:43:21,186
Speaker 1: start to any NFL career. I have long said that

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Speaker 1: Mike Evans is a Pro Football Hall of Famer. He's

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00:43:23,106 --> 00:43:26,466
Speaker 1: just never discussed in his conversations as the best wide

839
00:43:26,466 --> 00:43:29,186
Speaker 1: receiver in the sport. Just every year puts up the numbers.

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Speaker 1: Mike Evans did it when they matters most, and he'll

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Speaker 1: do it again this weekend. It's just what he does

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00:43:47,866 --> 00:43:50,466
Speaker 1: Thursday night decision from Sean pay and he's like, I

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00:43:50,626 --> 00:43:53,026
Speaker 1: want to play on Thursday night. I want my guys

848
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Speaker 1: to be in primetime, despite the fact he could have

849
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Speaker 1: waived that and stayed on Sunday due to the NFL bylaws,

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Speaker 1: but he said, give me a second road Thursday night

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Speaker 1: game and then let's take a nice long break after that.

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Speaker 1: That's your Thursday night game, and then two big ones

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Speaker 1: on Saturday, Chiefs versus Texans and Ravens versus Steelers, and

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Speaker 1: then those two teams will mix it up. Those four

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Speaker 1: teams will mix it up, and they all play again

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Speaker 1: on Christmas. I believe we'll be doing a pod next week.

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Speaker 1: Try to find the right time to do it. But

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Speaker 1: in the meantime, go enjoy your holiday shopping and get

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Speaker 1: bus terminal. It'll be chaos. Enjoy the football, everybody. The

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Speaker 1: Season with Peter Schrager is a production of the NFL

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