1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should Know from how Stuff Works 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, 3 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: and there's Charles W Chuck Bryant. There's Jerry over there 4 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 1: eating god knows what for lunch. And this is stuff 5 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: you should know, the Jerry's Lunch edition about SMR. And 6 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: that's the addition that everyone loves the best. Yes, you're 7 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: doing so good, Chuck. I'm sure zero people had an 8 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: a s m R experience just now. Well, let's I mean, 9 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: I need to know. Do you know do you get 10 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: the tingles? No? Not either. I don't even think I 11 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: could put myself in that position where I'd be like, like, stop, 12 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 1: stop touching the camera that's supposed to be my face. 13 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: Not comfortable. I watched a bunch of these just to see. 14 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: You know, you have to dive in head first and 15 00:00:56,200 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: really get a sense. And uh, I had a hard time. 16 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: I'm sitting there for too long. Even I might have 17 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: the opposite effect. Yes, there's a very good question that 18 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: I wrote at the end. Why not be freaked out 19 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,839 Speaker 1: by this? Why do the exact opposite and enter a euphoric, 20 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: meditative state. It's a very bizarre, really interesting thing, and 21 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: not bizarre in any kind of weird like, look at 22 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: these weirdos, I want to poke them in the in 23 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: the net kind of thing. It's more like it's a genuinely, 24 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 1: legitimately bizarre and if we can figure it out, it'll 25 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: unlock a whole other corridor to the brain that we 26 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: didn't really know existed. Yeah, so in true stuff, you 27 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: should know fashion A lot of you have no idea 28 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: what we're talking about. UM A s MR stands for autonomous, 29 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: is how you say it. I went with autonomous autonomous 30 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: I think so, I think you're probably right, autonomous sensory 31 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: meridian response, which sounds very clinical. Yeah, and we'll we'll 32 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: we'll get to that. But I think everyone needs to 33 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: know what it is, uh, and what it is is 34 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: uh generally a video that you will watch online, although 35 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 1: it's really just sounds, but the way they present themselves 36 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: these days or audio clips and video clips, it's and 37 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: it's not just sounds, it's it's also closeness is a 38 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: big part of it too. Uh. Okay, but it's it's 39 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: a sound. It's a response to sounds that some people 40 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: get and some people don't. UM A tingling sensation in 41 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: the head moves down the neck. Uh. Some people call 42 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: it like a tickle. Some people call it like a 43 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: head orgasm or brain orgasm, a tickle in your skull. Yeah, 44 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: So then that is triggered by hearing certain sounds like 45 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: whispering voices or seeing repetitive motions is another one too. Yeah, 46 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: but I think I get For my research, I found 47 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 1: that it was mostly sound and that the visual component 48 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 1: is just by virtue of the fact that a lot 49 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: of these are on YouTube. Is that So I got 50 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: that from that too. But I also saw that in 51 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: one of these UM surveys that said that slow movements 52 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: UM accounted for triggering for of the participants. So yeah, men, 53 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: seems significant, But I get what you're saying, Like it 54 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: does seem like the sounds are far and away, like 55 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: the crux of the whole thing. Yeah, and they're all 56 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: different kinds of sounds. Like the best way to really 57 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: it's hard to describe, is to really just go listen 58 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: to one real quick. UM. It always includes whispering, and 59 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: I think that's my biggest turn off. A lot of 60 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: the other sounds are fine and pleasing to me, they 61 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: don't give me the tingle, But they're relaxing, but I 62 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: don't like someone whispering in my ear. I don't like that. 63 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: I've determined that that is basically what you're going to 64 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: get with a SMR videos is somebody whispering in what 65 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: seems like your ear. Yeah, I have personal triggers for 66 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: that from my childhood. I think pleasant ones no unpleasant, 67 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: which is why i'd have an aversion to it now. 68 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: So I might be an parents. No, I don't want 69 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: to talk about it, but it's uh, it's it's I 70 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: think I might be an l lier. I don't know. 71 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: I definitely don't get the tinkles. I don't get the 72 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: tinkles either, And it's not I don't want to say 73 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 1: like it's a ingreat. Well, it's not a huge aversion 74 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: to it, but I'm not like, I don't like it. 75 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: I'm not big into it. How about that when I 76 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 1: was watching and that lady was whispering too much, I 77 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: literally had to rip the earbuds out of my ears. 78 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's a real aversion. But some of the sounds, 79 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: like the tinking of a glass or that's another one. 80 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: Stuff like that was okay. It's specifically the whispering that 81 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: doesn't jibe with my ears, understood, So if you're if 82 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: you're still kind of sitting there going huh. Put another way, 83 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: some sounds and possibly some sites actually trigger a really 84 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: unusual sensation in people where they feel like it's one. 85 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: One woman described it um kind of like sparkles or 86 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: fireworks going off in your head on your scalp. The 87 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 1: strongest one, and this is really really significant to the 88 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 1: strongest version of an a SMR experience will leave you 89 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 1: feeling exhausted and pleasantly tired, satisfied, she said, like you're 90 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: just like you just had some sort of climax of sorts, right, 91 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: But we want to point out and we'll get into 92 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: it more later. This is not for the vast majority 93 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: of people who experience this. This is not um sexual 94 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: in any way. It's sensual, but it's not sexual. It's 95 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 1: something entirely different. And it's also not what's called freezon, 96 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 1: which is getting the chills when you hear like an 97 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: amazing piece of music or something really incredible has happened art, right, 98 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 1: that'll give you the chill bumps. So it's not that, 99 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: and it's not sexual. It's its own thing that we're 100 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: just now starting to realize is its own thing. Yeah, 101 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 1: and it's pretty new as far as people talking about 102 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: it and trying to define it. Um. Obviously, if this 103 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: is a a real thing, that it has been around 104 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: forever most likely, but no one ever knew. You know, 105 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: maybe someone in the seventeenth century was like whenever they 106 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: got whispered to, they got a head tingle. And maybe 107 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 1: back then their response might have been to turn around 108 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: and like bludgeon somebody with a you know, if it 109 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: was you, if you have a hug them, thank you 110 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: for that. Back then they may not have wanted to relax, 111 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: like this is making me feel relaxed. I must kill 112 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: you know, stay on the edge like al Pacino and heat. Sure. 113 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:48,359 Speaker 1: Why um, but that that that grouping of words is 114 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 1: very recent. A woman named Jennifer Allen Um. She she 115 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 1: coined the term. She is the person that made up 116 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: those words. After Yeah, after about a decade of looking 117 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: for other people who experienced a s m R what 118 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: would come to be called a s m R. UM, 119 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 1: I guess we're not for the internet. People would still 120 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: be walking around either assuming that everybody experiences this and 121 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: not talking about it, or thinking that they were the 122 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: only one and not talking about it, And were it 123 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: not for Jennifer Allen, it might have we still might 124 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: not be talking about it. But she sought out some 125 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: other people who are experiencing this because she recognized it 126 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: as a usual and she found a thread on a 127 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: forum called Steady Health and there are people talking about 128 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: She said, hey, let's move this to Facebook. That's what 129 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: people do these days because that's a non judgmental place 130 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: where everybody can get along. So let's just create a 131 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: Facebook page. So she did in two and she I 132 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: think that year the next year came up with this 133 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: term autonomous sensory meridian response. Totally made up, completely made up, 134 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: but every scientific term is made up at one point 135 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: by somebody, normally by scientists. She is a cybersecurity expert, Yeah, 136 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: which is fine. Like, like she did it to um 137 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: to basically give it credence enough so that people could 138 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: start talking about it without without it being like just 139 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: some weird, fringy things. She's trying to start a legitimate conversation, 140 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: so it worked like a charm. It's a good name. 141 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: I mean that's what scientists call it now, all right, 142 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: it's good enough. Yeah, Like she definitely secured her place 143 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: in history is the the person who coined the term 144 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: autonomous sensory meridium response. So, uh, all right, I guess 145 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 1: let's talk about it. It's it's a very personal experience 146 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: for people. Um, No one, no two people will experience 147 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: the same feeling or from the same triggers. I love 148 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: this one guy, Um from the BBC. They were talking 149 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: about how like, why is it? Why are we hearing 150 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: about this now? And you're exactly right, it's because of 151 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: the Internet. Even a very small um percentage of the 152 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: population that experience something like this collected on a Facebook 153 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: site or on YouTube seems all of a sudden, like 154 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: a lot of folks, And it is a lot of folks, yeah, 155 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: but not compared to the population at large, right, So 156 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: proportionately speaking, this seems to be it seems to be 157 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: just a very small proportion of of people in general 158 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: who experienced a s MR. Like I don't you experienced 159 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 1: anti a s MR. Apparently, Jerry, you Jerry a SMR. No, 160 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: she did the head cut off thing too. But there 161 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 1: are people, I guarantee there are people out there listening 162 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: right now who are like, oh, I've heard of this, 163 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: but I've never tried it, who will go try it 164 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 1: and find out that they actually do experience as mr 165 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: and will probably email us and be like, thank you 166 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: so much for introducing me to that. Jerry's reaction, though, 167 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: does it seem more like, Uh, don't bother me with 168 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: this right now, unless like, no, I have tried it 169 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: and not experienced it. Yes, it was a please just 170 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: keep podcasting guys. It was I meaning God knows what 171 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: sign continue. Um. So the uh, the writer of this article, 172 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: um got it a little bit wrong here, uh, And 173 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: that they said it's not something that just randomly randomly 174 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: happens in your daily life. These sounds that is not 175 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: true at all. They absolutely happen in everyday life. And 176 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 1: that's how people know that. They get this response. And 177 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: then the A S. M Artists, the people on YouTube 178 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: that actually perform, is that what you would say? They 179 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: they replicate these sounds that you do here in everyday 180 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: life that give you these triggers. So you don't have 181 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: to go to the barber and get a scalp massage 182 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: every day. You can just go on to YouTube and 183 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: get the same effect. Yeah, like you may have just 184 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: you may be in your break room and you hear 185 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: someone tapping on a glass bottle, and all of a sudden, 186 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: you're sculpted. Tingles goes down your neck, into your shoulders, 187 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: down your spine, and you are met with a feeling 188 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,319 Speaker 1: of euphoric meditation in relief. And then everyone in the 189 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: break room is like, geez, Gary, where did you go? Uh? 190 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: And then Gary can go home and just watch videos 191 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: of Zoe Kravitz doing it in the Super Bowl commercial. 192 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: So let's let's take a break and then we'll come 193 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: back and talk about YouTube and how it's completely opened 194 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: up the a s m R community. Okay, let's do 195 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 1: it alright, Chuck um. So, like we said, without the Internet, 196 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: we might not have a name for this, we might 197 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: not be talking about it right now, and definitely well 198 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: we wouldn't even have a podcast, so sure that's true. 199 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: We'd be out on the street court and being like 200 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: here read this, um. The Without YouTube though, a SMR 201 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: would would not be anywhere like where it is right now, 202 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,559 Speaker 1: because it allows anybody to to make an a s 203 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: m R video, And honestly, anybody with a decent type 204 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: mix and a mind to do it can make a 205 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: SMR videos and they have I saw somewhere that there's 206 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: something like seventeen million a s MR videos on YouTube 207 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, but I mean I would disagree though, 208 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: you you there is some skill involved, right, Like if 209 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: I went to go make one, it would be terrible 210 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: and not elicit any tingles. I didn't mean to diminish 211 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 1: the skill involved. I meant to say, like, because YouTube 212 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 1: democratizing uh entry to like performances to people you've never 213 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: even met, that's that's opened the door for a s MR. 214 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,079 Speaker 1: Anyone with a skill for doing so can yeah, or 215 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: a desire to. Yeah, yeah, but it does take skill, 216 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: I think. So. Yeah, you can't just be like you 217 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: can't just shout all of a sudden or like lunge 218 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 1: of people at the camera. What are you wearing? You're 219 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: like no, like maybe like sharpening a knife on a 220 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: stone while you're staring into the camera. That probably not help. No, 221 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 1: that's a different YouTube channel, right it is, But I'll 222 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: bet it's out there, um, and there is. It's not 223 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:21,199 Speaker 1: just YouTube obviously. If you go to any of the audio, um, 224 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: they're probably a SMR podcasts. I'm sure there's a ton 225 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,599 Speaker 1: of them. But SoundCloud in all these other places to 226 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: aggregate sound files. There are tens of thousands of them, yes, 227 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 1: and um, they are extraordinarily varied and what what they are, 228 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: what you're going to see, what you're going to hear. 229 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: I saw one that was pretty great. It was a 230 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: woman eating taco bell. No talking, just strictly eating taco bell. 231 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: But it was cute, like she comes along and she's 232 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: like and like makes this face like oh, a table 233 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: full of taco bell and just starts proceeding to like 234 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: unwrap it and eat it. And then the real kid 235 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: girl And this is what made a s MRI as heck. 236 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: Um there the her throat was miked, so not only 237 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 1: did you hear the crunch of the taco, you heard 238 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: the chewing like there was a mic in her mouth, 239 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 1: and then you heard the gulping from the swallow every bite. 240 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: That's a weird a SMR video though usually they're not 241 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: like that. This was a s m R because that's 242 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: a I mean, there's another what's the disorder, not disorder, 243 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: but what's the condition people? Yeah, like that's a nightmare 244 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: off a mesa phoniac. Yeah, this is straight for them 245 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: because usually it's some sort of a soothing sound, not 246 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: the gullet washing down cheap beef. But no, I've seen 247 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: rainforest fed bee. Um. I've seen other ones where it's 248 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: like it was a girl drinking like from a half 249 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: gallon bottle of water with a law of mike up 250 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: against her throat and it was just gold. Gold Like 251 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: that is a thing on a s MAR. No, But 252 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: on YouTube, does that mean like would the real a 253 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: s MR, Like I guess you could call them experts, 254 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: would they say, yeah, that's a s MR. Or would 255 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: they say, no, that's someone that just threw that tag 256 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: up there that has nothing to do with a you know, 257 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: I think what they would say is from what we 258 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: understand about a s MR. Now who knows that is 259 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: probably something that could trigger an a s m R 260 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: experience and somebody ergo, it's a s m R. It's 261 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: that wide and varied, which we'll get to an explanation 262 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: for that at the big reveal. Okay, but if you 263 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: go on to YouTube, there's a bunch of um different 264 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: variety to it. There's also some through lines that you're 265 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: going to see or here in just about any a 266 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: s MR video though, Yeah, whispers like we've talked about 267 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: uh binaural recording, which is that's the one part of 268 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: it I do like I enjoy binaural recordings and being 269 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: able to hear, you know, And they always recommend head 270 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: phones better, the best headphones you can afford. Yeah, but 271 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: to hear, uh, I mean that's why I love the 272 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: Beatles so much. Like to hear sound going from left 273 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: to right is pleasing to me. Hearing a good slide 274 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: whistle go all the way through your skull, fingers, tapping 275 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: crisp sounds, that's a big one. Yeah, like scissors. Yeah, 276 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: there's a lot of barbershop stuff. This one lady I 277 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: watched was doing this uh thing right and she would 278 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: do it in the left and then the right, and 279 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: I just wanted to throw my computer out the window. Yeah, 280 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: because it's another thing too, Like very frequently it's just 281 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: a person, typically a woman, also typically wearing like a 282 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: low cut shirt. Yeah. We'll get into that too, okay. Um, 283 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: and the and the mics, and they're not trying to 284 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: hide that. She like she's playing with the mic, like 285 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: maybe like tapping it or doing what you were just 286 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: doing into it, or rubbing it or something like that, 287 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: creating sounds or talk king into it. Soothing, whispering words 288 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: of affirmation, calming words. That part makes a little more 289 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 1: sense to me. Um. But the point is is that 290 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: it's binural binural recording, so it's like three D stereo, 291 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: so it sounds like you're right there, like it's being 292 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: spoken right into your ear. And they'll some very frequently 293 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:25,479 Speaker 1: be a mike for each ear and she will go 294 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 1: or he There are some guy A S m R 295 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 1: channels go from mike to mike and ear to ear. 296 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: So it's pretty interesting to watch because it's like you 297 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: you get to see how the sausage is made, you know, 298 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 1: which is unusual. You'd think it would just be just podcasting, 299 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: like but I think from from what I understand, that's 300 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: part of it. Seeing like the fingers like move like that, um, 301 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: like just kind of tapping in a certain way as 302 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: kind of meditative and relaxing. Well, the like I mentioned before, 303 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: the brake Zoe Kravitz, Um, it was very big deal 304 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: with super Bowl commercial, put it on the map more 305 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:07,239 Speaker 1: than ever before because all of a sudden, you know, uh, 306 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:11,120 Speaker 1: I don't know however, many hundred or million people watch 307 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: the super Bowl, but a lot of people that have 308 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: no idea what this is. We're exposed to it for 309 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: the first time with Zoe Kravitz on a at a 310 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: desk on a mountaintop, tapping on a beer bottle and 311 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: pouring a beer and speaking into the left and right mix. 312 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: And I think the reaction by a lot of folks 313 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: that know what the deal is is like, oh interesting. 314 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 1: They put a SMR on the Super Bowl or the 315 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: Big Game, and then people were like, what in the 316 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,919 Speaker 1: heck is that girl doing? I wonder if anyone was 317 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: well assume, so there were probably a lot of dudes 318 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: and their recliners that were liking, I don't know what's happening. 319 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: It's kind of like finding out you get seesuars by 320 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: watching that one episode of Pokemon, right, you know, it's 321 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: good time to realize that there's a couple other um 322 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: things you'll find too. It's apecially like um role playing. 323 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: You'll see role playing a lot in these videos. Yeah. Well, 324 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 1: the one lady I saw look like she was sort 325 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: of performing as a nurse might m hm, So I 326 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: don't know if that counts as role playing. Was that 327 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: um Maria from gent Whisper Gentle Whispering. Maybe they kind 328 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: of all ran together for me. So she is the 329 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: like the the most popular a s MR artist or 330 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: a SM artist around. I think she has like one, 331 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: like one point six million subscribers. And she does a 332 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: lot of role playing where she will pretend and it's 333 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: not just her, there's others that do this too. But 334 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: rather than just sitting there messing with a mic or something, 335 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: she's got like a whole little set where it looks 336 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: like you are getting an eye exam in an optometrists office, 337 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: and but the optometrist is whispering to you the whole time, 338 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 1: and it's telling you how great you're doing at this 339 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 1: I X and you're doing so good it's so strange 340 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 1: to me. Let's see how these fit. And here's another 341 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 1: thing about role playing too, is it's meant to be 342 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: p o V. So the camera is your eyes. So 343 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: the the A s M artist will be messing like 344 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: around the camera, like putting the glasses like they're they're 345 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 1: putting them on you. So they're whispering and they're touching 346 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: you lightly, and they're they're speaking words of like encouragement 347 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 1: and affirmation to you. And this supposedly is like the 348 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: big one. This is the ones that like that that 349 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: make it feel like it's fireworks and make people feel 350 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: like satisfied afterwards, like from this, what wave of you four? 351 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: Your wash over them? See I see that and listen 352 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: to it, and I think I'm running out of that 353 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 1: Optometros office as fast as my little legs can care. 354 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: But that's that's the hilarious thing. Like if you step 355 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: back and imagine, like an actual real world experience like 356 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: this should be like is there something wrong with you? 357 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: It's like why are you whispering? Dude? But that's yeah. 358 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: But apparently if you experience a SMR, that would be 359 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: your dream, like, oh my god, a real and tell 360 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: me how good these glasses look on me? Well, they're 361 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 1: just kind of messing with my side burns a little bit. 362 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 1: Oh so interesting, It is very interesting. It is all 363 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: generally intended to relax someone, uh and introduce what's known 364 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 1: as a state of flow, which is you know you've 365 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 1: heard about artists and musicians and created Yeah, sure, athletes 366 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 1: getting in that state of flow. It's almost like, uh, 367 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 1: it's really just lebron kind of kind of like a 368 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: runner's high maybe where uh or if you're creative, things 369 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: are just you've opened yourself up and you're channeling creative 370 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 1: energy to cross hatchings is coming right out of your pencil. 371 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 1: That's just and I'm not making fun of that. I've 372 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: I've gotten into states of flow for surely. Gosh, it'd 373 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: be so neat to be able to just trigger that 374 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 1: or bring it on likely without thinking. Well, I think 375 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: that's why a lot of artists like they try to 376 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,199 Speaker 1: get that through drugs and alcohol. Yeah, but that's a 377 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: that's a blind alley friend. Yeah, it is so um, 378 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: I get you through for a little while, but it's 379 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 1: dead in street and really it's not gonna it's not 380 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: gonna bring on the flow. It's gonna it's gonna mislead 381 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 1: you because you'll think you're in the zone, playing amazingly, 382 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: and all anybody's here is like, and you're not supposed 383 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: to be playing like that, So stay off the drugs. 384 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: I guess we should talk a little bit more about 385 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: the you know, when you said they might be wearing 386 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: low cut shirts and the whole sex thing, Well, a 387 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: lot of people see that then see the whispering and 388 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: the touching, and they're like, oh, well this is porn 389 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: of some sort obviously. Yeah, Like it's I've I watched 390 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 1: a few of the videos, and again, it's not like 391 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: like anyone, like you said, anyone can put something up there. 392 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: So I'm sure there are some a s M artists 393 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 1: that maybe to get more views, might try and be 394 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: more sexually tantalizing. But like there are all kinds of 395 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: videos out there and all kinds of people watching them. 396 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 1: Some people may not feel anything sexual at all, and 397 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 1: it's only central most people. Most people. Some people may 398 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 1: masturbate to an a s M R video. Apparently five 399 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 1: percent of them do. Uh well, I guess so. But 400 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: for the vast majority of them, the vast majority of 401 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: people who experience a s M are they say, no, 402 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 1: it's not for sex, it's this has nothing to do 403 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: with sex. It's something totally different, and um, it's just 404 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: not sexual. So it's intimate, there's no getting around that. Yeah, 405 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: And then it's a huge part of the whole experience 406 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: is that it's super intimate, and that maybe what triggers 407 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: the whole thing, is that that a threshold of of 408 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 1: intimacy is met and then crossed and then there goes 409 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: your fireworks in your skull. Right, Um, I wonder how 410 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: this fix a relationship though, Like, I don't know if 411 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: someone came home and their husband had a an on 412 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:04,239 Speaker 1: owing everyday thing with this woman on YouTube where she 413 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 1: was stroking the camera lens and whispering in his ear, 414 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. I could see people. I could see 415 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: someone turning to their their spouse or loved one and 416 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: be like, Hey, that's not too cool. Yeah, you want 417 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: someone to whisper, and you're I'll do it. I'm supposed 418 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: to do the whispering or maybe I mean, I could 419 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 1: see it causing problems. I would guess they would have 420 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 1: this follow along the same lines of like whatever problems 421 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 1: pornography would cause, you know, I mean maybe even not 422 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 1: because it is intimate. I could see somebody being like, 423 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: I'm okay with the porn, but not the p O 424 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,400 Speaker 1: V intimacy of the A S M R. I don't 425 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: know what kind of things that would. I could see 426 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: it causing problems here there. I mean, I didn't even 427 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: see that raised in any article I read. I was 428 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: just kinda curious he just raised it. Yeah, But for 429 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 1: the most part, I guess what we're trying to say 430 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: is if you're an outsider looking in and you think 431 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: this is just porn or some sort of weird sexual 432 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: fetish thing. That's not the case for almost all people 433 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: who are watching these videos. It's not what it is. Yeah, 434 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 1: those of the same people who think, like, you know, 435 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: every massage is that kind of massage, Like, well, no massage, 436 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: just to relax your body, to heal your body. I think. 437 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 1: Also one of the reasons why there is great misunderstanding 438 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,400 Speaker 1: is because of the use of terms like brain orgasm 439 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 1: or some people call it whisper porn, and so people 440 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: are just kind of they're kind of misunderstanding the lingo 441 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 1: a little bit. That doesn't automatically mean sex. It's internet lingo. 442 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 1: Well yeah, and they're all kinds of either articles or 443 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 1: YouTube collections where it's like top five hottest a s 444 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 1: m R chicks, right, That certainly doesn't help their case. Also, 445 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 1: the other thing is a lot of comments will be like, oh, yeah, 446 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: it's YouTube super yeah exactly, but um, it's it's possible 447 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: and even likely that these aren't actually people experiencing a 448 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: s MR. They're just going through YouTube looking for videos 449 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: of women with low cut shirts looking into the camera. Yeah, 450 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: and its YouTube, and they objectify women in every way 451 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 1: possible because you can post a video of a a 452 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 1: talented um young woman playing the violin and half the 453 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: comments will be about her appearance. YouTube does have a 454 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: reputation for that, and rightly earned. Should we take another break? 455 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 1: Let's take another break? Man? All right, Chuck? So we 456 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 1: talk about science. Yeah, let's do a little science talk. 457 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: There's not much on it. No, the first actual peer 458 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: reviewed study of a s MR UM. It was published 459 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: as recently as two thousand fifteen from Swansea University or Swansea? 460 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: Do you know how to say that? I don't know. 461 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: I've always said Swansea, but I just realized I could 462 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 1: be wrong. So let's say that I believe if it's 463 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: in the UK. UM, So let's just say Dorchestershire. UM. 464 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 1: They did a puero. Well, a couple of researchers brought 465 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 1: in Davis did a survey of a s MR experiencers, 466 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: experiencers and UM just tried to at least do the 467 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: most basic foundational groundwork of describing whether UM. And they 468 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: did a pretty good job too. You see, this referenced 469 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: a lot, not a lot of criticisms of it, but 470 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: they found I think like a few hundred. I can't 471 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,919 Speaker 1: find the number right now, but they there it was 472 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: a decent population size of people who experience a SMR, 473 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: and they said, well, why do you do this? Like, 474 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 1: what do you get out of this? Is I probably 475 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 1: the question they asked first, and then problem, what triggers this? Right? 476 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 1: And um, they found that ninety eight percent of people 477 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 1: who watch a s MR videos seek out these experiences 478 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 1: on YouTube do it for relaxation. Almost everybody, Yeah, which 479 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,120 Speaker 1: says a lot because again, when you think of this, 480 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: um from an outsider's view, you're like, oh, it's arousing, 481 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: it's it's titillating. It puts you on edge, like you 482 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,360 Speaker 1: know when you hear a music crescendo or something like that. 483 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 1: Apparently it doesn't do that. It gives you tingles. But 484 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,919 Speaker 1: it also is meditative and relaxing, which is I've never 485 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 1: experienced anything like that, you know what I mean. So 486 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: it's really its own thing. So it's very relaxing. Afterwards, 487 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 1: during massage, do you relax. I don't get massages at all. 488 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: I'm too high strung for that. Okay, I don't get 489 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: them much at all either. Uh, And I find that 490 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: I can I can generally kind of go there and 491 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: just like super relax but there's always a bit of 492 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: shame and embarrassment for me, which is just dumb. Yeah, 493 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, there's no hold over stuff from my 494 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: churchy upbringing, you know. But you can't even go there. 495 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: I don't even open that door, like sir of the 496 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: the have a wire cable running down your spine is 497 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: pretty much I can't seem to to tweak it. Yeah, 498 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: but what was the point of the question. Well, I 499 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: was just kind of curious because hearing how you were 500 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: about feel about a SMR, I was like, just wondering 501 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 1: if you have trouble with any kind of relaxing experience. 502 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: I have trouble with all of the relaxing experiences. Okay, yeah, 503 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: all right, um, yeah, I'm a little high strung. You know. Well, no, 504 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: I know that, I was just I just wanted me 505 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: to admit it on Mike. No. I wondered if there 506 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: was anything if you were like, yeah, but I do 507 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: like a good foot massage. Those are nice, like teet Okay, 508 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: there you go, I am. I am for those, but 509 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 1: every once in a while you'll get one in that 510 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: like it's the real deal where they dig in to 511 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: the arch of your foot. And their thumb basically goes 512 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: up to your knee. It was like it hurts, and 513 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 1: it's like a suffering kind of hurt, like like your 514 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: fingernail being bent back, like bad hurt. And so I 515 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: haven't been back since. Okay, So yeah, no, I don't relax, 516 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 1: I guess, is what I'm trying to say. They're they're 517 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: kind of jeremy really, So no, what about just floating 518 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: in a pool. Have you ever been in a relaxation tank? No, 519 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: that I was wondering that. I've done that a couple 520 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 1: of times. Really neat because it's dark and it's private. 521 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 1: There was one experience, I guess I've done it twice. 522 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: Both times you just completely lose track of time to 523 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: do this. It's really neat, chuck um. And the first 524 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: time I got I lost sensation in my body down 525 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: to my central nervous system. So in the water, all 526 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: I could feel floating was my brain, my spinal cord, 527 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: and some of the major peripheral nerves coming off of 528 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: my spinal cord. That was all of my body that 529 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 1: I could feel at that point. Everything else that just 530 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: melted into the water and into the darkness because it 531 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: is the darkness is complete. There's no light, not even 532 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: a chance for light to come in. It just doesn't 533 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 1: exist there. Um, and the ownes are just you're just 534 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: in your own world. It's amazing. Yeah see there. Yeah, 535 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: all right, I guess I need to get one of 536 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: those that buy one just take out a helock and 537 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: uh and throw down some money. How much are those? 538 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: Do you know? Probably I was thinking over ten million 539 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: dollars it might as well be. Uh. So let's get 540 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: back to the study that's alongside track, So ninety percent 541 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 1: for relaxation to help them sleep, seventy to deal with stress. 542 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: So you see a through line here. Um. And then 543 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: they looked at the most common triggers analysis of responses 544 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: found four prominent categories experience, each one by over fifty. 545 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: So whispering at personal attention at sixty nine. That's a 546 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: big deal, it seems like. And what we'll get to 547 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 1: that in a second, because there are a lot of 548 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: people that think that has a lot to do with this, 549 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: Those people that may not get the kind of intimacy 550 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 1: and attention they neat like there's a separate track of people. Yeah, uh, 551 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 1: what else crisp sounds? Have you ever had a coffee 552 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: crisp candy bar. Mm I don't think so. Man good. Yeah, 553 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: they have them in Canada. I think you can get 554 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: them at like a like a world market. Get one. 555 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you one. You're gonna love it. Like 556 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: coffee stuff, You're gonna love it. And then slow movements, 557 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: so that would be a visual queue like folding towels, 558 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 1: repetitive stuff. That's so funny to me. Yeah, I like 559 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: repetitive things because I love those. Uh. I've talked a 560 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,479 Speaker 1: lot about the like how it's made shows and shows 561 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: like the repetitive industrial processes. I think that's like a 562 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: SMR show. All right, maybe, but I don't get the tingle. 563 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: It just relaxes me, right, and some people do. There's 564 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 1: a lot of people who report feeling relaxed from a 565 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 1: SMR videos, even though they don't have the full experience 566 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: where they get like the brain orgasm or anything like that. 567 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,959 Speaker 1: But it's still is potentially relaxing. And part of it 568 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 1: is because they're designed to be relaxing. The whispering, the 569 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: gentle movements, the like, like all of that stuff. It's 570 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: it's designed to relax you. Yeah. I found another study 571 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 1: from the University of Sheffield that, um, that's a Worcester. Yeah. 572 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: They they got people that were verified a s MR 573 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: experiencers and then people that were not. Um, they did 574 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: a bunch of studies, mainly about their heart rate, and 575 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: they found that people who did experience a SMR UM 576 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: they did have a reduced heartbeat by about three point 577 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: two beats per minute. But then they said it was 578 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 1: no more than other stress reduction techniques like mindfulness or music. 579 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 1: I could see that, yeah, yeah, I mean they're still 580 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 1: getting the experience of being relaxed out of it, Yeah, 581 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 1: without listening to my music or being mindful or anything 582 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: like that. Right, so great, but it still doesn't explain 583 00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: the brain orgasm, right, which, if that's not cool to 584 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: call it that anymore, I apologize everybody. Um. They some 585 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 1: people might have thought early on that it might be 586 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 1: uh co morbid, I guess with synesthesia, which we've talked about, 587 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,800 Speaker 1: but then they found that that's probably not the case. 588 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: Well I saw that. They think it's because people who 589 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: in this in these surveys um don't report synesthesia anywhere 590 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: beyond the normal amount that you'd expect to find in 591 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: a population that saw But they think it's it's still 592 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 1: possible it's a different type of synesthesia rather than the 593 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 1: kind where you taste colors or here numbers. They think 594 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: this is sound emotion synesthesia, possibly so a sound makes 595 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 1: you feel an emotion. In this case, it's still a 596 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 1: little weak. One guy named um Uh, he's a neurologist 597 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 1: at Yale, Stephen Novella. Back in two thousand and twelve, 598 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 1: he suggested that maybe it was little seizures or not 599 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 1: little Caesar's which by the way, they're pretzel crust pieces. 600 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: Back every buddy, um or it's just quote just a 601 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,399 Speaker 1: way of activating the pleasure response. Seems to be more 602 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: than that. And also the fact that it only works 603 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: with some people also makes the whole thing pretty remarkable too. So, 604 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 1: of course, because this is clearly happening in the brain, 605 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,399 Speaker 1: they stuck people in the wonder machine, pressed start and 606 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 1: look to see what happened. Yeah, and this one was 607 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 1: interesting because one of the big fine things you know, 608 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,760 Speaker 1: you're starting off with a new sort of scientific study 609 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:34,880 Speaker 1: when you're big first finding from an fMRI machine is well, 610 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 1: um people can experience it while in this machine, right, Like, 611 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 1: it's not so distracting this machine isn't so distracting that 612 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,240 Speaker 1: they that messes up their experience entirely. Well, what's funny, 613 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 1: that's the second one. The first study they didn't even try. 614 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,919 Speaker 1: They're like, well, you can experience as m R. Let's 615 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 1: just have a look at your brain without even yeah, 616 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 1: because they're like, this will be too distracting. So that 617 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 1: second study was kind of in a way there. That's 618 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 1: the level that they're at now is there, Like just 619 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 1: here's this finding, Like you can find almost literally anything 620 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 1: new and it's a contribution to the field. At this point, 621 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 1: the science on it is so incomplete now. Yeah. The 622 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: other finding they found was that the brain regions similar 623 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 1: to those you know, we talked about what is it 624 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:24,400 Speaker 1: freesng Yeah, is it French? I don't know. It doesn't 625 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 1: look French. It looks made up French. I know. I 626 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 1: wanted to say Frisian. I'm a dummy. No, I did too, 627 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 1: and I but I went, I did, I went an 628 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 1: extra mile, pressed the little microphone speaker thing on and 629 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,719 Speaker 1: it went frees on. So the brain regions similar to 630 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:45,320 Speaker 1: those activated during freesan, we're also activated with a SMR, 631 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 1: but a SMR triggered activity in the prefrontal cortex that 632 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,760 Speaker 1: during freesan is suppressed. I didn't see that was suppressed 633 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,840 Speaker 1: in frees on. Really yeah, so is this bogus? I 634 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,840 Speaker 1: think the prefrontal cortex thing being suppressed as boga. But 635 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,880 Speaker 1: they're not the same thing. I think that was the 636 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,759 Speaker 1: point of that study is they're like, this isn't the 637 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 1: same thing. It's similar, but it's not the same thing. 638 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 1: And the freeson um explanation I saw. We know a 639 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 1: lot more about frees on because we've known about it longer, 640 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,799 Speaker 1: but it's activates a bunch of different parts of your 641 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:23,719 Speaker 1: reward pathways that are involved in like assessing the rewards 642 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and releasing dopamine right um. It 643 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 1: also like activates the electoral conductivity and your skin, which 644 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,400 Speaker 1: accounts for the chills. But the explanation for frees on 645 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:41,279 Speaker 1: that I saw is that your brains pattern recognition is interrupted, 646 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 1: like it's predicting what's coming next, and then all of 647 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 1: a sudden, the music crescendos or it changes tempo, or 648 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,520 Speaker 1: some big emotion happens and your brain wasn't expecting it. 649 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,839 Speaker 1: So opposite of SMR almost pretty much. And then the 650 00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 1: other part of it is that you are empathetically connecting 651 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,640 Speaker 1: with the musician or the filmmaker whoever, who encapsulated the 652 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,759 Speaker 1: emotion that you're interacting with through the movie or the 653 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 1: music or whatever. Yeah, this seems really different because this 654 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 1: seems to be almost unemotional in a lot of ways 655 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,239 Speaker 1: and super repetitive, not like there is no criscindo. I 656 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 1: think the whole point is that sort of low droney 657 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:26,320 Speaker 1: repetitive thing, right, Like like with freees On, It's like, um, 658 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 1: it's like Jennifer Gray running up and being picked up 659 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,760 Speaker 1: by Patrick Swayzy in that part in in Dirty Dancing, 660 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,120 Speaker 1: That's yeah, whereas a s MR is just being knocked 661 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 1: over with a feather. I think that's the difference. One 662 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,400 Speaker 1: of the a s M artists was her name was 663 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 1: Heather Feather. Oh that's a great name. Yeah, I don't 664 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 1: think it's her given name. That would be a good 665 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,359 Speaker 1: maybe maybe so she was born to do it, Maybe 666 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,440 Speaker 1: her parents couldn't have cared less how she was going 667 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,960 Speaker 1: to turn out. So the final thing they did find 668 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,719 Speaker 1: out from the F M R I studio that was 669 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 1: pretty interesting. I don't want to make it seem like 670 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 1: I was making fun of it, but they did find 671 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 1: a strong connection there uh from the study similar brain 672 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 1: regions being activated as during close personal bonding experiences with 673 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,439 Speaker 1: mammalian grooming behavior. This to me is the explanation. Yeah, 674 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:22,759 Speaker 1: it all goes back to that childhood Uh, soothing like 675 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,400 Speaker 1: soothing the baby. Right. That's that seems to be the 676 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,680 Speaker 1: explanation for it. That people are um have figured out 677 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:35,080 Speaker 1: a way to mimic affiliative behaviors that we are innately 678 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 1: wired to respond to. And that and some people it 679 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:43,280 Speaker 1: can be triggered just by video and sound. Yeah, I mean, uh, 680 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 1: we have played brown noise in my daughter's room since 681 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 1: she was born. And they say that because you know, 682 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,279 Speaker 1: noises like that make them feel like they're in the 683 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,400 Speaker 1: womb still and it can be comforting and relaxing. And 684 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,640 Speaker 1: we've always done it. We use the sound machine in 685 00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:01,000 Speaker 1: our room. It's usually waves or brown noise like one 686 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 1: of those two things like a nice creek every now 687 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:10,279 Speaker 1: and then or rainstorm like three. But they're these are 688 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:15,279 Speaker 1: called affiliative behaviors. Uh, and that is very important when 689 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,640 Speaker 1: an infancy and young adulthood or any point. Well, yeah, 690 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,760 Speaker 1: but help that helps you form those bonds which obviously 691 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,319 Speaker 1: when your baby are going to be happening all over 692 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,480 Speaker 1: the place. Yeah, so they think that that somehow these videos, 693 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:33,160 Speaker 1: through the the calmness, the whispering nous, but also the 694 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:37,120 Speaker 1: intimacy of it and the the appearance that you're being 695 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,520 Speaker 1: touched lightly and you're being kind of cooed at and 696 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:45,520 Speaker 1: um um in affirmative words and encouragement and all that stuff, 697 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:51,959 Speaker 1: that it's triggering that reaction right in the brain. And 698 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,879 Speaker 1: that is what a SMR is. That it's a it's 699 00:40:54,920 --> 00:41:00,839 Speaker 1: an extreme reaction to a mimicked affiliative behavior. Yeah, and 700 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,160 Speaker 1: I when I read that, it's sort of clicked. And 701 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 1: then I wanted to see more studies on like um 702 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,680 Speaker 1: different from a more very types of people that are 703 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,000 Speaker 1: like categorized, Like I would like to see people take 704 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:18,080 Speaker 1: these tests that we're not nurtured as children maybe and 705 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,160 Speaker 1: maybe that means they would have a really strong response 706 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 1: to a SMR or maybe not at all. Right, that's 707 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,720 Speaker 1: the thing. It's like, so why why just a segment 708 00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:31,080 Speaker 1: of the population does this work in? Right, that's a 709 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,200 Speaker 1: big arrow pointing at We need further research here, Like 710 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,680 Speaker 1: it does exist, We've established that, but why wouldn't it 711 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:41,640 Speaker 1: exist for everybody, and then why does it exist in 712 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,000 Speaker 1: the people who it does exist in? And then also 713 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,520 Speaker 1: why are some people just completely turned off by it 714 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,680 Speaker 1: to the point where like you just want to pull 715 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,239 Speaker 1: your earbuds out, you know, and maybe also pull off 716 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:55,400 Speaker 1: your ears for good measure. And then why some people 717 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 1: might be thinking why even put a lot of work 718 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,000 Speaker 1: into studying this, It's because it could be like a 719 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,719 Speaker 1: good therapy for some people, could be therapy for anxiety, PTSD, 720 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,120 Speaker 1: anxiety depression. Well that's the thing. A lot of people 721 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:14,880 Speaker 1: self report overcoming insomnia, chronic pain, depression, anxiety. Like you said, 722 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:19,759 Speaker 1: like it literally alters their mood, not like oh that 723 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,680 Speaker 1: was kind of neat, Like oh, I don't feel anywhere 724 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,080 Speaker 1: nearest depressed any longer, or I'm not anxious anymore. And 725 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,600 Speaker 1: so say what you will about it. If it's doing 726 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,400 Speaker 1: that for even one person, to keep it up, you know, 727 00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,200 Speaker 1: But if it's doing that for a whole segment of people, 728 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,600 Speaker 1: well that's great. I mean, well let's figure that out 729 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,200 Speaker 1: and then we can figure out a way to hijack 730 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,360 Speaker 1: it and use it to treat other people. Yeah, I 731 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,239 Speaker 1: think part of my aversion too, besides the whispering. Was 732 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,160 Speaker 1: I felt kind of silly sitting in the office. Well, yeah, 733 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,480 Speaker 1: hearing this, Yeah, I think you're supposed to It's supposed 734 00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,319 Speaker 1: to be more private than that, probably, so maybe I'll 735 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,800 Speaker 1: give it a shot later in the in a dark room. Yeah. Uh. 736 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,839 Speaker 1: If you want to know more about SMR friends, go 737 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,640 Speaker 1: out on the internet right in a s MR to 738 00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,480 Speaker 1: the search bar of your favorite search engine, and it 739 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,479 Speaker 1: will introduce you to a brand new world. And since 740 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,680 Speaker 1: I said that it's time for this your mail all right, 741 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,759 Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this uh Tahoe Tessei. Oh yeah, hey, guys, 742 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,160 Speaker 1: I was listening to Lockness Monster episode and was reminded 743 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,720 Speaker 1: a lot of Lake Tahoe. I thought you'd be interested 744 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,560 Speaker 1: in some of the similarities. I grew up in the 745 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:31,400 Speaker 1: Carson Valley area in Nevada, right next to Tahoe. Tahoe 746 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,240 Speaker 1: actually has its own legend, Tahoe Tessy. Really original, guys. 747 00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,560 Speaker 1: There used to be a museum but at close now 748 00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,960 Speaker 1: and TESTI isn't much more than a silly little local legend. Surprise, surprise, 749 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,120 Speaker 1: it brought in thirteen dollars and touristing come last year. 750 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,840 Speaker 1: I think that lake itself is more interesting, though, Chuck 751 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,879 Speaker 1: shuttered at the thought of a nine foot deep lake. 752 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,880 Speaker 1: The deepest parts of Tahoe, though, are over sixteen hundred 753 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,919 Speaker 1: feet deep. I've heard about this crazy. I can't wait 754 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,400 Speaker 1: to fill in the blanks that this guy leaves. The 755 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:05,239 Speaker 1: lake in the Sierra Nevada sits at twenty five feet 756 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:10,799 Speaker 1: in elevation, while the elevation of my hometown is. That 757 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,680 Speaker 1: means that the lake has spots that are a hundred 758 00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,000 Speaker 1: ft deeper than the valley next to it. Thanks for 759 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,200 Speaker 1: all you guys, do I've seen you the past three 760 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,320 Speaker 1: years in a row in Seattle. I always have a 761 00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,640 Speaker 1: great time. Yeah that is from Evan Hughes. Thanks Evan 762 00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,239 Speaker 1: for making that trip, my friend. Yeah, we'll see you 763 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,040 Speaker 1: next year. We love going to Seattle every January. There. 764 00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,799 Speaker 1: Keep it up right. So if this is the same 765 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,799 Speaker 1: lake that I'm thinking of, and I believe it is, 766 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,719 Speaker 1: it is also very very cold, so if you die 767 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,440 Speaker 1: in this lake, it can preserve you for a long time. 768 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,040 Speaker 1: That's so much so that they found a diver who 769 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:48,080 Speaker 1: had been missing for twelve years who drowned in that lake. 770 00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,520 Speaker 1: Twelve years later, they were still able to give him 771 00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,360 Speaker 1: an autopsy and determine his cause of death because the 772 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,759 Speaker 1: lake had preserved him that much. And there's or said, 773 00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,239 Speaker 1: there's like old gangsters from the thirties who are still 774 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,960 Speaker 1: like whearing their clothes and like cement shoes at the 775 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,840 Speaker 1: Balm Lake. Railroad workers from China who had died in 776 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,360 Speaker 1: the lake are still preserved in there. This is the 777 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,000 Speaker 1: local legend. But that divers documented they definitely were able 778 00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,719 Speaker 1: to give him an autopsy after twelve years underwater. That's 779 00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:20,840 Speaker 1: how cold and oxygen oxygen um depleted. It is because 780 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:25,360 Speaker 1: of the debts, they said, it turns out he drowned, right, Yeah, 781 00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,279 Speaker 1: that's it. Awesome Taho. We should do a show and 782 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:33,120 Speaker 1: like Tahoe, let's do it at Lake Tahoe. Okay, in 783 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,800 Speaker 1: Lake Tahoe. I don't know. I thought about doing random 784 00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:41,000 Speaker 1: shows at like weird places. Okay, that'd be fun. Thanks 785 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,640 Speaker 1: a lot, Evan. If you want to get in touch 786 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,400 Speaker 1: with us, please to go onto the internet and search 787 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,680 Speaker 1: stuff you should Know dot com. Check out our social 788 00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,680 Speaker 1: links and uh. You can also send us an email 789 00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:57,919 Speaker 1: to stuff podcast how stuff works dot com. For more 790 00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,560 Speaker 1: on this and thousands of other topics at how stuff 791 00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:11,640 Speaker 1: works dot com. MHM