Speaker 1: Good morning, Good morning, Tom, good morning. How are you?
Speaker 1: I am good, I'm good. Where are you today? We're
Speaker 1: still in Italy, but we just checked into a different
Speaker 1: hotel in Siena. We're doing like a little Italian talks
Speaker 1: in a different hotel, which is nice. That's so wonderful. Well,
Speaker 1: thank you for joining us again today, for making the
Speaker 1: time to do this on your vocation. And here we
Speaker 1: are to do the rewatch of season two, episode two,
Speaker 1: A Door into the Dark It's right a Day January nine,
Speaker 1: two thousand seventeen, Written by y Sharene Razac, director Andy Wolke,
Speaker 1: Starring Katherine mcmara, Dominic Sherwood, Alberta Rozenni, Matt Dadario, Emerald
Speaker 1: to be A, Isaaih Mustafa and Harry Sham Jr. Guest
Speaker 1: stars Allen van Sprang, David Castro, Welcome back to season two,
Speaker 1: Max and Roy, Nick Seagar, Stephanie Bennett, and of course
Speaker 1: Vanessa Matsui. Which is super exciting to have little spoiler
Speaker 1: that tell us what we're in for. So for this episode,
Speaker 1: Clari longs for the good old days. Clary struggles to
Speaker 1: find where she belongs, while Simon seeks Magnus's help. The
Speaker 1: hunt is on for Jace Whaland and Alecan. Isabel hoped
Speaker 1: to reach him before the rest of the shadow Hunters do.
Speaker 1: With orders from the Clave of Shoot to kill. Thank
Speaker 1: you very much to Jocelyn, the Lightwood siblings must act fast.
Speaker 1: Also on his own search, Simon turns to Magnus for
Speaker 1: help when he finds himself at odds with both Raphael
Speaker 1: and alder Tree. Meanwhile, Clary struggles fine where she belongs
Speaker 1: since she doesn't seem to fit into the shadow un
Speaker 1: world yet can't go back to her mundane life. Everybody's
Speaker 1: got a problem this episode. Problem. Yeah, this was filmed,
Speaker 1: as we will talk about later with the wonderful tone
Speaker 1: Torontonian unexpected whether in the last two weeks of August.
Speaker 1: A slight goof appears when a steam whistle advertisement appears
Speaker 1: in the episode, a brand that only existed in Canada
Speaker 1: at the time of filming. Oh, that's funny, I had
Speaker 1: no idea just that interesting. We'll have to keep an
Speaker 1: eye out. I wonder when that is. And once again
Speaker 1: we have Magnus's tendency to the book. Just screen reference
Speaker 1: in this is Magnus taking down Wolders under his wing,
Speaker 1: which I think is one of the my favorite story lines.
Speaker 1: At least the relationship between you know, Raphael and Magnus
Speaker 1: is always the verse sweet. It's maybe the one parent
Speaker 1: child relationship quote unquote that's not really massed up functional. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in the show, we have a whole bunch of talking points.
Speaker 1: I was just running through this episode again, and there's
Speaker 1: a lot that happens in this episode. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of like it seems that everyone sort of has the
Speaker 1: same goal for whatever that reason is, except for Simon
Speaker 1: and Magnus, but everyone is going about in different ways
Speaker 1: and taking different avenues. There's a whole bunch that happens.
Speaker 1: We get in some mythology. I think i'll first mention
Speaker 1: of the Iron Sisters. Is this episode exciting? Well foreshadowing
Speaker 1: there a little foreshadowing, and with no more further ado,
Speaker 1: why don't we just dive in? Absolutely so. This episode
Speaker 1: starts with Clary hot on the heels of Jocelyn um well,
Speaker 1: Jocelyn hot on the heels of Clary as she finally
Speaker 1: confronts her mother about all of the secrets and all
Speaker 1: of the lies and all of the everything, including why
Speaker 1: did you just try and shoot your own son, slash
Speaker 1: my brother, slash someone who matters a whole lot to
Speaker 1: me and everyone in my life. We we start to
Speaker 1: see a little bit of Jocelyn's dilemma in this case,
Speaker 1: because you know, there's a lot we don't know about
Speaker 1: what happened, and there's a lot we don't know about
Speaker 1: the frame Morganstern family. We start to uncover just how
Speaker 1: dark and twisted it is, including the fact that Jason,
Speaker 1: Jonathan Claire's brother for lack of a better word, has
Speaker 1: demon blood in his veins thanks to Papa Valentine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we the audience knew, but now Clary knows, and we
Speaker 1: can assume that the rest of the shadow Hunters know
Speaker 1: as well. Not great, not great, not great for anyone.
Speaker 1: Mama Dearest is not being quite so dear. To be honest,
Speaker 1: we did we did skip a scene. Did we start
Speaker 1: this episode? Yeah, we start this episode directly picking up
Speaker 1: from episode once. Jason Valentine have a oh that's right,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, a little cum flab but it just
Speaker 1: sort of adds to the confusion in Jason's mind of
Speaker 1: the effects of a rising down world and an ineffective
Speaker 1: clave at sort of controlling the criminalistic elements of the
Speaker 1: down world, as we just saw in the vampire tend
Speaker 1: which will be important later because this vampire didn't of
Speaker 1: ties in with Simon and all this, that and the other.
Speaker 1: But you're absolutely right. Then we have a whole mother
Speaker 1: daughter indeed, which which poor Simon is involved in. Bless him,
Speaker 1: he doesn't feel like this is why We're going to
Speaker 1: find this more and more as the series goes on,
Speaker 1: but he he is also very alienated from the place
Speaker 1: that he thought he was. Became a vampire and had
Speaker 1: to struggle with that and then got welcome sort of
Speaker 1: back into the Clary Simon thing, and then when Mom
Speaker 1: woke up, he was sort of no longer welcome as
Speaker 1: part of that group, which is which is actually really sad.
Speaker 1: I thought this was pretty rough to see when I
Speaker 1: just rewatched it. It is it is. I mean, we
Speaker 1: see Simon time and time again, Cotton middle of so
Speaker 1: many things, whether it's Jason Clary, or Isabelle and Alec
Speaker 1: or Camille and Ravel or whatever it may be. But
Speaker 1: now we see him caught in between Clary and Jocelyn,
Speaker 1: which is kind of an interesting place for him to
Speaker 1: be because obviously he understands Jocelyn said of things and
Speaker 1: wanting to protect Clary and wanting to do this, but
Speaker 1: also he's been through this with Clary, and he's seen
Speaker 1: and he's met Jason. He knows that he's, you know,
Speaker 1: not not an evil dude inherently. Yeah. Yeah, well who
Speaker 1: knows is the real is the real thing? Like you know, this,
Speaker 1: I think is sort of one of the interesting dichotomy
Speaker 1: is that that everyone was playing with and again, you know,
Speaker 1: this was one of those episodes where I wasn't really
Speaker 1: with anyone until the end, so I get to see
Speaker 1: these little Idiosynchristie's in everyone's performances post date after with
Speaker 1: the audience, and I think one of the interesting dynamics
Speaker 1: here is like he is the best soldier, he is
Speaker 1: the fastest, he is the strongest. But the difference, I
Speaker 1: guess in psychology between being a hero and being a
Speaker 1: villain would be if you were doing your job because
Speaker 1: it was your duty, or if you're doing your job
Speaker 1: because you enjoyed it. Yeah, And we don't know the
Speaker 1: answer to that. We don't at this point, or you don't.
Speaker 1: I do, but you don't. And I think what Valentine
Speaker 1: is trying to convince Jay's to do is to enjoy
Speaker 1: it exactly, which is dangerous anyway, And there is because
Speaker 1: of Jas's and Clary's childhood slash lineage, slash, whatever you
Speaker 1: wanna call it. There is a little bit of that
Speaker 1: Morgenstern in them. There's a little bit of Valentine in
Speaker 1: both of them in a way, and a little bit
Speaker 1: of that maybe sadistic is the wrong word, but that
Speaker 1: that vengeance and that kind of rage that exists, and
Speaker 1: and it's it's dangerous. But you know, I digress, because
Speaker 1: now we end up back at the Institute with alder
Speaker 1: Tree and Clary and all of the folks getting their orders.
Speaker 1: We did get to see in the scene that you
Speaker 1: were just talking about before we skip over it. We
Speaker 1: did get to see potentially baby Jays. Oh yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I know. That's again. That's which which interestingly, we don't
Speaker 1: use that room very much. It's again, it's only in
Speaker 1: this episode particularly that the sort of memory transference power
Speaker 1: is used. And I'm trying to remember if it's ever
Speaker 1: used again, and I I think the only time is
Speaker 1: Jonathan uses it once later on, or maybe he just
Speaker 1: tells I can't remember, Maybe he just tells clearly about it,
Speaker 1: possibly disuse the demonic. I don't know there's a memory
Speaker 1: shared later, but I will have to we'll have to
Speaker 1: wait and see how it's actually done. Um, but back
Speaker 1: back to when we're you know, when we're in the
Speaker 1: middle of this episode, we do get to see baby
Speaker 1: Jay's who is very adorable. I would have heard you say,
Speaker 1: even when his eyes are black and demonic. But although
Speaker 1: we were just talking about it, Deco was just here
Speaker 1: before She's scooted off to the pool so I could
Speaker 1: do so I can work, and she was so we
Speaker 1: were a bit like, it's a bit rough to sort
Speaker 1: of cool your your baby evil just because he didn't
Speaker 1: like the magnolias, like taking bush, Maybe that was was
Speaker 1: all the issue. Maybe had analogy. There also was a
Speaker 1: bee in that flower. I don't know if anyone noticed
Speaker 1: there was a bee in that flower, Like you don't
Speaker 1: putting a bee next year, newborn. Of course it's gonna
Speaker 1: be piste. I understand that. I'm honestly just based on
Speaker 1: that footage. I'm on on a side. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: maybe he was just trying to protect mom. Maybe Jocelyn
Speaker 1: is allergic to bees and he's like Oh my god,
Speaker 1: be exact. Kill it exactly. I agree. I agree. Plus
Speaker 1: he's a baby, you know, he can't he can't be
Speaker 1: faulted and he just doesn't have a baby. Isn't that
Speaker 1: a TikTok? I don't know. I don't know TikTok. Somebody
Speaker 1: showed me yesterday and I was like, oh, baby, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Anyway, Now we have Clary trying every avenue
Speaker 1: she can to figure out who's going to help her
Speaker 1: get James back. If her mom won't, it goes to Alec,
Speaker 1: who we see in a real spot. He was not
Speaker 1: the guy to go to. He was not happy with
Speaker 1: Clary at all. You have a telescope. I have a
Speaker 1: little telescope. Can you see Alex? Uh animal say Clary
Speaker 1: the telescope? Oh there it is, I got it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there is yet a little closer device that is cool.
Speaker 1: But you know, we we try Clary, Claire tries to
Speaker 1: apeel to Alec. And this is one of the first
Speaker 1: times I got to work one on one with Matt
Speaker 1: since season one, and he's just great. You know, I
Speaker 1: gotta love some Matt Dadaria gotta loves hi Matt Daria
Speaker 1: Stoody Bassing Magidaria. We know the folks love that at home, Well,
Speaker 1: he loves, he loves, he's good at he's good at
Speaker 1: all of it. But he's what I noticed later on
Speaker 1: is those sort of moments of Catharsis as an actor
Speaker 1: where you get to unleash a little of, maybe some
Speaker 1: of your animosity as a human being throughout something very
Speaker 1: good at those, very very good at those. And also,
Speaker 1: if you haven't seen it, go and watch Why Women Kill,
Speaker 1: because it turns out he's very he's very funny. He
Speaker 1: has been amazing comedic talent as well. So if you
Speaker 1: haven't seen Why Women Kill season two, go and watch
Speaker 1: Why Wold and Kill season two because the Scoots, his Scooter,
Speaker 1: his character Scooter is fantastic. Well, we got to see
Speaker 1: firsthand how funny Magdario is pretty much at any hour
Speaker 1: of the day. But if you'd like to experience it
Speaker 1: yourself at home, check it out. And now we're into
Speaker 1: an interesting part of the show where we get the
Speaker 1: dojo dojo for the first time. He's casting. Valentine is
Speaker 1: casting for new people, kind of have you ever been
Speaker 1: to a dance pool that's just like this, whether everyone
Speaker 1: stands around and they're just like go in the middle
Speaker 1: and do some stuff for us, and it's like horrifying. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's what they've seen reminded me of so true. And
Speaker 1: then it's just the rapture in the middle of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And which is how it works in casting. If they
Speaker 1: just like you get at the end of your little
Speaker 1: like moment, they either give you like a nod or
Speaker 1: a shake of the head and you're like, let's either
Speaker 1: lights are on, all the lights are off, and you
Speaker 1: just leave and that's the end of it. Although I
Speaker 1: find that, you know, folks that practice martial arts are
Speaker 1: usually very aware of their surroundings. And the fact that
Speaker 1: these people can't figure out what happened. It's a bit perplexing,
Speaker 1: but you know, it is supernatural. I guess it is supernatural.
Speaker 1: It would have My assumption is the lights went off
Speaker 1: on a portal would have happened, and when he's in
Speaker 1: the portal, that would be my assumption. I don't know. Rewatching,
Speaker 1: now we're back at the institute, with Lydia giving orders
Speaker 1: and Clary being purposely excluded from all this. I couldn't
Speaker 1: help but have flashbacks to like those times in middle
Speaker 1: school and high school when you know you find yourself
Speaker 1: excluded from certain things. It hurt a little bit to rewatch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: nobody wants to be excluded. I was like, I know this,
Speaker 1: although in this case, nobody wants to be excluded. But
Speaker 1: Clary has caused some trouble. They don't know if this
Speaker 1: is the right avenue for her. The same fact, we
Speaker 1: know it's not because we I just got to the
Speaker 1: end of the episode and I know what happens, and
Speaker 1: we know that it's not a good idea for you
Speaker 1: to go on this mission. I mean true, you know
Speaker 1: there's a lot of bias and emotions clouding judgment and
Speaker 1: all those things that Shadow hunder Stock about all the time.
Speaker 1: But you know, you really want to put alder Tree
Speaker 1: in charge of this. Alder Tree is all, you know,
Speaker 1: shoot to kill and Lydia's still you got her own trauma.
Speaker 1: It was Lydia's cool to not send you no I know,
Speaker 1: or invite you to the briefing. It was Lydia's cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: trust Lydia. We were so just by the way knock
Speaker 1: on effects of you, of you taking your own actions,
Speaker 1: accidentally getting kidnapped by dot spoiler alert should have said
Speaker 1: that first. But a bunch of spoilers are coming out
Speaker 1: here because it's all coming to me all at once.
Speaker 1: Not effect kidnapped by Dot you get hypnotized. Jas ends
Speaker 1: up going on the werewolf hunting mission. Werewolf dies because
Speaker 1: of it. Jas gets blamed Episode three, gets the ship
Speaker 1: kicked out of him by werewolves. I know we're not
Speaker 1: supposed to, but like throwing through a window, okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I get it. I get it. Look, Claire's a baby
Speaker 1: shadow Hunter. She's got she's got some lessons to learn.
Speaker 1: I understand. I know when is she going? Although it
Speaker 1: is sad, It is sad. This is sad, but but
Speaker 1: the one good thing we do get out of it
Speaker 1: is this lovely moment between Clara and Isabelle, and I
Speaker 1: do I do love the beginning of this scene as well,
Speaker 1: because it's been a while since we've seen Clary go
Speaker 1: back to Art's one of those things that's kind of
Speaker 1: the root of who she is and later on becomes
Speaker 1: the root of what her special skill, and you know
Speaker 1: a lot of who who she is as a shadow
Speaker 1: Hunter and who she is as a person. But this
Speaker 1: notebook I always loved, and it was in Clary's room
Speaker 1: for most of the time that we shot the show
Speaker 1: and it they're the amazing lady from our department who
Speaker 1: did all of Clary's drawings, had sketched so many different
Speaker 1: things in this notebook and I would just flip through
Speaker 1: it and find something new every time. And we use
Speaker 1: so many of them in different scenes for different reasons.
Speaker 1: And I'm not even sure if half of it was
Speaker 1: pre planned or if we got there and it just
Speaker 1: ended up exactly. But it's the Institute, and it's Jason,
Speaker 1: it's Simon, it's all of these elements. But you know,
Speaker 1: this is another one of those moments in the show
Speaker 1: where Clary's lost. She has nothing to ground her, Her mother, Jason, Simon,
Speaker 1: they're all kind of gone or against her or in
Speaker 1: a place that she can't reach or doesn't understand. And
Speaker 1: then to have Isabel come in there's another woman in
Speaker 1: this world who could very easily be another one to
Speaker 1: alienate her, and to have this moment of Izzy and
Speaker 1: Clary where they get to bond and we get to
Speaker 1: see this little bit of sisterhood come out, and you know,
Speaker 1: potential for those who have seen the show for the
Speaker 1: future is uh. It's a really lovely moment it is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: little little clues, little sprinklings of clues. This was our
Speaker 1: utility bedroom at this point. I think it's this this
Speaker 1: set actually was. I don't think we had them yet.
Speaker 1: I don't think we had our personal bedrooms that was
Speaker 1: like mid either towards the end. Although we don't spend
Speaker 1: a whole lot of time, especially you and I in
Speaker 1: either of our bedrooms. In the first half season two,
Speaker 1: it's a lot of like in the Woods dying, Yeah,
Speaker 1: where that that happens, a lot of spoiler alert, but this,
Speaker 1: this bedroom I think was Dizzy's, Alex and Clary's throughout
Speaker 1: at least this part of season two. Yeah, poor Simon's
Speaker 1: at loss again. We find Simon. We have a little
Speaker 1: bit of Aler. We do, we do. We're gonna get
Speaker 1: him on the show. Joel is fun. We like Joel. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but we we see the even there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people in the middle of being pulled in different directions
Speaker 1: in this episode, including Luke because he's you know, trying
Speaker 1: to deal with Jason, Simon and Clary all of his
Speaker 1: kids that are all over the place, but also you know,
Speaker 1: Aleric reminds him, hey, guess what back. Yeah, the other responsibilities. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you still got stuff going on. Yeah, Poor Simon then
Speaker 1: is getting bullied by the werewolves. He's got no place
Speaker 1: to be except for the boat. Lesson m persons. The
Speaker 1: basin is what I was trying to say, I think,
Speaker 1: in which we find in said soon we find out
Speaker 1: that Simon sucked up, so I'm sucked up talking to
Speaker 1: older Tree accidentally blamed Raphael for something, and we do
Speaker 1: get this little hint about how like against the Geneva
Speaker 1: connnched convention, the Clave can be like they like this
Speaker 1: active torturing thing, which I think we see later, don't
Speaker 1: we do, but not by the Clays. It's not by
Speaker 1: the Clay, but we do see it happen, right, see
Speaker 1: it happen. Yeah, But the concept of this still happening,
Speaker 1: still continuing, this sort of archaic procedural is horrific and
Speaker 1: sort of you can't help but kind of feel for Rafael,
Speaker 1: or at least I did in this, like sort this out.
Speaker 1: I don't want to get nailed to across and have
Speaker 1: beams of sunlight burn off my this that or the other,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah, I mean, at this
Speaker 1: point we've seen that the Raphael isn't you know, the
Speaker 1: the the evil masterminded that we've seen in other episodes.
Speaker 1: He's just a person who is trying to row a vampire,
Speaker 1: a creature who's trying to make his way in the
Speaker 1: world and trying to to do right by his people.
Speaker 1: And Simon doesn't quite understand how the world works yet,
Speaker 1: and very much in the same way that Clary doesn't
Speaker 1: understand how the world works yet. And you know, everybody,
Speaker 1: everybody makes mistakes sometimes, and then we found out that,
Speaker 1: you know, the shadow world has some serious consequences here.
Speaker 1: I love watching these two work together. Though they're great,
Speaker 1: they're just great. They've got such a good chemistry that
Speaker 1: there's always this undertone of humor, but it's usually gallows humor,
Speaker 1: which I appreciate. Well, they're both dead, so that makes sense.
Speaker 1: I'm back on the boat, back in Valentine's Den of Horrors,
Speaker 1: back in the boat with young Jeremy, very handsome young
Speaker 1: Jeremy here who lost his father, lost his father to
Speaker 1: a werewolf and is seeking revenge. And this was a
Speaker 1: cool scene because again fees into that sort of difficult dichotomy,
Speaker 1: because that for a large part of season one was
Speaker 1: sort of Jason's motivation was revenge. In fact, the first
Speaker 1: time we see him kill human or shadowante, that's what
Speaker 1: he says, this is from my father, from my father.
Speaker 1: But then we found out Tricky because you like kind
Speaker 1: of get it, these like young prodigies that have been
Speaker 1: like hurt and want to fix that hurt. Sort of
Speaker 1: understand when just Trick, Hey, you have corrected trauma. Let
Speaker 1: me utilize that and turn your auto weapon. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that's where we're at. Jason is still unsure, but that's
Speaker 1: the crux of that scene. Jeremy's going on mission, MoMA's
Speaker 1: coming searching for Clary Ferry. Where are you. I've got
Speaker 1: black coffee with lots of sugar, a little bit of callback. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's just Clarry. That's black coffee, black with sugar.
Speaker 1: That's Clary's thing. That'sn't my thing, but that that's what's
Speaker 1: going to sort you out on Like brother's gone. You
Speaker 1: just tried to murder him, leave baggage, like I got
Speaker 1: a coffee, and I've got a coffee for you because
Speaker 1: I'm I'm leaving the shadow world behind. In a sense,
Speaker 1: that's this, this is what you're trying to do here.
Speaker 1: You're just like giving up on everything. Yeah, basically because
Speaker 1: nobody wants there's Clary is feeling a little sorry for herself.
Speaker 1: You know. Everybody's like, we don't want you, you don't
Speaker 1: belong to go away, what are you doing here? Just like, well, fine,
Speaker 1: I'll just take a hike them. Wow. I didn't. That's
Speaker 1: I didn't read that when I watched the episode. Probably
Speaker 1: should have because I read the scutch, so I should
Speaker 1: have remembered, but I didn't. I didn't at all. Wow.
Speaker 1: I just thought you were taking a break. I thought
Speaker 1: you were just off, like I just need a little
Speaker 1: me time, which even that I thought was a little selfish.
Speaker 1: But yeah, well whatever, she's a little selfish from time
Speaker 1: to time. We all need some me time. I get it.
Speaker 1: This scene with Clarie walking down the street I have
Speaker 1: very specific memories of because we really weren't supposed to
Speaker 1: be shooting on the street in Toronto, I'm not exactly sure,
Speaker 1: or at least on this part of the street, because
Speaker 1: it was it was near Union Station, it was rush hour,
Speaker 1: and it was me and Matt and I think Glenn
Speaker 1: with a little camp the little camera that we had,
Speaker 1: just just walking down the street back and forth. Right
Speaker 1: there by Union Station. Looks great, it looks great. We
Speaker 1: had a bunch of I think it was one of
Speaker 1: those times where, you know, as some folks may not know,
Speaker 1: when you're shooting in a city on a street, there's
Speaker 1: not often time to get releases from everyone who just
Speaker 1: happens to be there. So instead what they do is
Speaker 1: they put a little sandwich board near where we're shooting, going, hey,
Speaker 1: if you walk past this point, you consent to being
Speaker 1: on camera. And it was one of those times. But
Speaker 1: as rush hour it was they honestly, they all look
Speaker 1: like paid backgrounds. Like everyone behaves flawlessly, nobody's looking at
Speaker 1: the camera. It's incredible. I don't know how they pulled
Speaker 1: that off. They did a really good job. Great job.
Speaker 1: Thank you citizens of Toronto circa. Thank you citizens, so many,
Speaker 1: so many reasons over the course of true. Oh here's
Speaker 1: a little fun tidbit that I didn't catch until right now.
Speaker 1: When we see Alec and Izzy walking into this side door.
Speaker 1: This is the same door I think that we walked
Speaker 1: out of before YouTube Parabatie tracked in episode four because
Speaker 1: it used to be hard tail this side of the studio.
Speaker 1: See him, because do you see the little the little
Speaker 1: walkway up top where the raccoons. Yep, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 1: And the Spike Club used to beat your noble Oh
Speaker 1: did it? Yes it did. Yeah, you're absolutely right. Yes
Speaker 1: it did. To the machinery, another gutted room in a
Speaker 1: weird studio that we had, a weird, little family run studio,
Speaker 1: you know the best of it. Yeah, we utilized their space. Well,
Speaker 1: use a bunch of stuff here, which is kind of neat.
Speaker 1: This is fun. I really liked this scene. I remember
Speaker 1: this scene being like so like Broi and Matt show,
Speaker 1: and then when he stepped in and was like, no, now,
Speaker 1: let me put you in your place. I love that,
Speaker 1: and even even like kind of put Alec in his place,
Speaker 1: like no, no, no no, no, I don't need brother doing this.
Speaker 1: I got this, I got I got this. I was like,
Speaker 1: that's cool, that's really cool. That's the way it's done,
Speaker 1: you know, that's the way we do at Shadow Hunters.
Speaker 1: And then we get one of my favorite storylines in
Speaker 1: the entire series, Simon and Magnus. Simon and Magnus. This
Speaker 1: whole section is great, all the way through the portals,
Speaker 1: and it's all this whole stuff. I love all of
Speaker 1: this is brilliant. Yeah, this is another element that I
Speaker 1: just loved that Alberto did. It's the sickening nature of
Speaker 1: portal travel. We don't really get to see anyone because
Speaker 1: the shadow hanger is just kind of are made for it.
Speaker 1: So we all just have stepped through and it's fine,
Speaker 1: even Clary, but for Simon, he wasn't made for this.
Speaker 1: He's still getting used to this world and it's you know,
Speaker 1: it gives a sort of reality to the world in
Speaker 1: a way because people would you know, these are things
Speaker 1: are normal. We have to adjust to all these forces. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I always love the business that Harry finds in this apartment.
Speaker 1: He had so many things and he's always doing something
Speaker 1: and he just owns the space. Yeah, it's his, it's
Speaker 1: his space. I love that. This next scene, so cycle
Speaker 1: member comes in tries to kidnap Oh my goodness, it's
Speaker 1: dizzy change. Everything's good, little Shenanigan there. But we really
Speaker 1: got to see the level that they gave us the
Speaker 1: ability to darken the show, like how far they were
Speaker 1: then able to go with someone actually drawing a knife
Speaker 1: across his throat, which is something we did not see
Speaker 1: in in season one. They wouldn't have let us even
Speaker 1: get close to that, not even a little bit sort
Speaker 1: of see which and it's quite shocking, like it's quite visceral,
Speaker 1: and it's actually quite like even me watching it, I
Speaker 1: was like, oh wow, it's only ship. I can't believe
Speaker 1: they let us do that. That's crazy, But it does.
Speaker 1: It's not for nothing, you know, It's it shows this
Speaker 1: this brutality and the urgency, like the I guess the yeah,
Speaker 1: the mortality of the situation that all of these people
Speaker 1: are in, Like it's it literally is life or death,
Speaker 1: and that's the real problem. It really shows, you know,
Speaker 1: the lengths to which Valentine has inspired loyalty in all
Speaker 1: of these people and the enemy that we're fishing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but now you know a little little light Brooklyn Academy
Speaker 1: of Art situation. Yeah, he's just broken. The sounds this
Speaker 1: time was that you I don't they're not mine, but
Speaker 1: they're outside my apartment. Oh no, I love it. You
Speaker 1: literally have my shirt says puppies it backwards, But what
Speaker 1: it says it backwards to you. For me, it says
Speaker 1: it the right way. I think this is company to
Speaker 1: make me happy on it. Yeah, that is Nina's but
Speaker 1: we're breaking into the Brooklyn Academy of Art. Clary learned
Speaker 1: her lesson in one respect, and remember the soundless room
Speaker 1: and the glamour room this time so you can use it.
Speaker 1: You don't have your status, that's right. That's broken, just
Speaker 1: regularly broken to a university, just a little breaking and entering.
Speaker 1: It's fine. Technically I was accepted there, so maybe it wasn't.
Speaker 1: I think there might be a little shock that you
Speaker 1: have spent hasn't even that long, has it. It's only
Speaker 1: been like two weeks, a couple of weeks, the first
Speaker 1: two weeks. That's true. You might you might have already
Speaker 1: had a badge. Yeah, you're right. Okay, it wasn't even
Speaker 1: be an eat. Just come in and say hi, guys.
Speaker 1: It's going to do a little skyline drawing. There's a
Speaker 1: little element of this section of the episode as well,
Speaker 1: where you see you know what shadow Hunter her parents
Speaker 1: are like with Luke and Jocelyn kind of like, well,
Speaker 1: I know where she is because a tractor, but I'm
Speaker 1: just letting her door thing until she lives. It's like
Speaker 1: that mom and dad playing against each other. It is
Speaker 1: mom and dad. It's justin and this is like crazy, manipulative,
Speaker 1: and I get that it's fear that's leading her that way.
Speaker 1: I understand, and we will come to understand why she
Speaker 1: behaved this way, why she is so overly cautious on
Speaker 1: the verge of tyranness, which is a shame because she doesn't.
Speaker 1: But there go two episodes. Two episodes come on. It's
Speaker 1: only too more episodes. That's rough. Anyway, we're in what
Speaker 1: was it a bar? I keep saying Agribar, but that's
Speaker 1: the fictitious town from a ladder. It's not ag I
Speaker 1: think it's Agra. It is well done, very well done.
Speaker 1: It is, in fact, are also amazing job visual effects team.
Speaker 1: We did not have actions in Agra the portal and
Speaker 1: the green screen, the whole backdrop. This is pre They
Speaker 1: would have been on the roof of the studio. This
Speaker 1: is pre so by late season two the beginning of
Speaker 1: season three, we had a three and sixty degree green
Speaker 1: screen stage, so if they wanted to put something on
Speaker 1: the back, you didn't have to worry about lighting or
Speaker 1: different things coming in. It was inside a studio and
Speaker 1: it was three in degrees. It's how they do a
Speaker 1: lot of the Star Wars shows now. But we didn't
Speaker 1: have that yet, so they were just on a roof
Speaker 1: and folks v effects and Philippe would have had to
Speaker 1: paint everything out and then paint everything back in this
Speaker 1: I vividly remember this episode because from the moment we
Speaker 1: got back season two, Philip had been given a heads
Speaker 1: up about something that happens later in the episode, and
Speaker 1: he was so excited because he built it from scratch.
Speaker 1: M and it looks fantastically fantastic? Is that? Do we
Speaker 1: get to see that now? So they're trying to find
Speaker 1: Camille because in order to exonerate Raphael, they've got to
Speaker 1: find Camille, and Magnus and Camille have their own history,
Speaker 1: and so mag just click. Fine, I've got a bone
Speaker 1: to pick with my ex so I'm gonna go pick it. Yep,
Speaker 1: he finds a bunch of his ship. Listen, I'd be
Speaker 1: piste to a ming a Ming dynasty. VARs was be
Speaker 1: worth an absolute fortune, especially in the condition it's in.
Speaker 1: Unacceptable Camille. Not that we didn't need another reason to
Speaker 1: hate you. I do love the fact that we get
Speaker 1: to see these little elements of how different creatures in
Speaker 1: the Shadow World can connect and the common ground that
Speaker 1: they can have, you know, for example, a warlock who
Speaker 1: is immortal will collect things that he's experienced in little items,
Speaker 1: and we know vampires have a propensity to collect slash steel,
Speaker 1: valuable items. Great word, I've never heard propensity before. I
Speaker 1: don't even know that word means good job. Oh and
Speaker 1: then we have Clary back to art, Clary drawing boost
Speaker 1: down the door, and parents coming to try and chastise. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean Clary. Luke's face, Isaiah's face is just calming.
Speaker 1: Just even having him there is I just feel stress
Speaker 1: leave me, which it's really quite pleasant. I don't even
Speaker 1: have the sound on, it's just the subtitles and I'm
Speaker 1: watching the images. It just looks nice. He's just such
Speaker 1: a dad, you know. That's the thing I've always I
Speaker 1: I still call him dad because he just he didn't
Speaker 1: he gives the best advice. Like you said, he's such
Speaker 1: a calming presence. It's I understand Clary's plight in this,
Speaker 1: I really do. But there's a little bit she's still
Speaker 1: a little girl in a little bit of a since
Speaker 1: she's not a little girl, her name is not a
Speaker 1: little girl. But she's got a little growing up to do.
Speaker 1: You know, she has to understand we've seen the stakes
Speaker 1: of the world in this episode, and I feel like
Speaker 1: she's still lost and caught in between. But that's just
Speaker 1: the chink in her armor that we need when she
Speaker 1: runs out and finds very sick. Dot she didn't look great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean she looks great in the sense that, you know,
Speaker 1: good job to make up. We thought she was dead,
Speaker 1: so she looks better than that, just by a little
Speaker 1: but as a live human being or live warlocks done
Speaker 1: the great not looking great. Veins going on, all kinds
Speaker 1: of poison veins. It's not ideal. It's all right. She
Speaker 1: redeems herself later on this episode, Yes, I think I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure, Yes she does. She doesn't. Yeh. In a minute.
Speaker 1: But we're back in the boat in the horror show,
Speaker 1: the horror show, the menagerie, the prison, and you're about
Speaker 1: to be given a new ability, a new ability. Here
Speaker 1: let me give you another another another thing. Interestingly, I
Speaker 1: think die hard fans will have known that this was
Speaker 1: a trick early, because that is all footage from season one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all of the flashes of footage from Steve season one,
Speaker 1: Stephen one, Stephen Stephen one. I don't know, I will
Speaker 1: say when I was shooting this. The one thing I
Speaker 1: kept thinking of was you know that a game where
Speaker 1: you like smish your first and then try and make
Speaker 1: different faces. No, nope, okay, well that's what that felt
Speaker 1: like because grabbed my first memory. That's all I could think.
Speaker 1: The fish one face. I don't think fish make the
Speaker 1: noise I was making. Know they might. I don't know
Speaker 1: underwater about the puffer fish thing? What do we talk
Speaker 1: about that? I never mentioned this to you. I've been
Speaker 1: talking about this a lot recently because I saw a
Speaker 1: video of a puffer fish deflating, and I just as
Speaker 1: a kid who had this image, and I didn't ever
Speaker 1: get past it. You're just like, oh, that's that piece
Speaker 1: of information checked off for me. It doesn't ever need
Speaker 1: to be questioned. And of course it's wrong now when
Speaker 1: you think about it analytically. But I just assumed they
Speaker 1: were full of air. I just had assumed that they
Speaker 1: were full of air like balloons. Of course they're not,
Speaker 1: they're fish. But I saw one deflate out of the
Speaker 1: water and it just spits out a bunch of water.
Speaker 1: Of course it's a fish. Where are they going to
Speaker 1: get air from? Oh that's not how that works. They
Speaker 1: can draw the oxygen out of the water. But no,
Speaker 1: they're full of water. Is also otherwise they would just
Speaker 1: float their little balloons. They consider the bottom. They would
Speaker 1: always wondered, and I just had no idea. Blew my mind.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh yeah, but also like, of course
Speaker 1: it's a fish. I mean, yeah, anyway, well every day
Speaker 1: I don't even really remember how we got into that
Speaker 1: because we face Yeah, a little fun science facts from
Speaker 1: domin Cat on the pod. Yes, we always, we always
Speaker 1: end up there. You can fact check me as well.
Speaker 1: But if you disagree, I don't care. I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: keep telling people this. We are finally. I think the
Speaker 1: shot that Philip was excited about that you were talking about,
Speaker 1: is this one you were talking about. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it was. But first we have a little scene with
Speaker 1: is He and Alec walking in the street, which I
Speaker 1: sort of love because you get to see a lot
Speaker 1: of Toronto. You get to see the Bruto company that
Speaker 1: we love and the second Cup coffee and a nice
Speaker 1: little thing. But it plays back into it's a little
Speaker 1: foreshadowing for next episode. I think when we're talking about
Speaker 1: the Parabity room and how that bond and how it's
Speaker 1: affected by everything that's going on. But now, yes, we
Speaker 1: are back at the scene because you know, Magnus and
Speaker 1: Simon off on a little errand and then times exploring
Speaker 1: try and think meal and of course the place is
Speaker 1: booby trapped. It is booby well, I don't think it
Speaker 1: is booby trapped though, it's just not Simon friendly. But
Speaker 1: I don't think it's booby trapped because he because this
Speaker 1: ends up being Magnus's friend. Oh, that's that's fair. It's
Speaker 1: just like it's just a cute little snake. Honestly, it
Speaker 1: looks like a real snake. It does, and this was
Speaker 1: created by our folks VFX team. It looks so good.
Speaker 1: Every time I watch it back it gets me because
Speaker 1: it just might as well have had a snake wrangler. Oddly,
Speaker 1: we do have snake wranglers on Walker Independence, but not
Speaker 1: not because we have snakes in the show, but trying
Speaker 1: to keep them away. Yeah, of course do you not?
Speaker 1: Would you not need um? New Mexico is also spiders
Speaker 1: and scorpions, right, You need guys to make you aware,
Speaker 1: or to at least try and maybe wrangler. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't think it might just be a dangerous animals
Speaker 1: wrangler because they'll have anti venom and stuff as well
Speaker 1: in case you get caught. Sure you would think, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm not a snake wrangler, so I don't know,
Speaker 1: but you kind of hope. So what do you have?
Speaker 1: Do you know what you have there? Rattlesnakes? Oh it
Speaker 1: is rattlesnakes like diamondbacks. Yeah, super deadly. Yeah. Do you
Speaker 1: check your shoes? I will from know on push you
Speaker 1: don't want to put your foot in there. Off the
Speaker 1: snake real quick. Yeah, although my little eighteen hundreds of
Speaker 1: boots with the extremely non functional heels are probably not
Speaker 1: the home for snakes. They have you in like actual
Speaker 1: period costume. They haven't made it more comfortable in anyway.
Speaker 1: I mean, they've offered, but i'd rather have the posture
Speaker 1: of the corset and the shoes and things like that.
Speaker 1: I do have its now in case I need to
Speaker 1: run or something that are basically like Doc Martin's. But yeah,
Speaker 1: something I've learned is that those heels that were made
Speaker 1: for the eighteen hundreds, they were basically just a hindrance
Speaker 1: for women. It didn't help at all. They're not you
Speaker 1: don't really do anything except make you slower. It's just
Speaker 1: a chunk of wood, wasn't it. Like? Yeah, and the
Speaker 1: shape specifically actually makes it harder to do things, but hey,
Speaker 1: I love a challenge, you know that. Now we're back
Speaker 1: to as you mentioned earlier, our first mentioned of the
Speaker 1: Iron Sisters, which, for those who don't know from the books,
Speaker 1: are these sort of I guess the closest thing shadow
Speaker 1: hunters have two nuns as it were, but they're they're
Speaker 1: female shadow hunters who dedicate there. Much like the Silent
Speaker 1: Brothers dedicate their lives to ruins and clairvoyance and seeing
Speaker 1: the future, the Iron Sisters dedicate their lives to making
Speaker 1: all of the weapons of the shadow world. So they
Speaker 1: are the only ones that are end gear. They're the
Speaker 1: only ones that are able to handle atom Us and
Speaker 1: all of these other elements because they, you know, they
Speaker 1: dedicate their lives to learning how to do that and
Speaker 1: to gaining those skills and powers. We found out that
Speaker 1: Luke's mother wasn't ourn sister, she was indeed, and he
Speaker 1: breaks them. Do we know she's dead? Ah? Sorry, she's
Speaker 1: very dead. I believe if we go back to the books,
Speaker 1: I think Valentine might have killed her or she died
Speaker 1: in that war somehow. I know he's a bad brutal,
Speaker 1: that he's bad to be wrong, but I just assume
Speaker 1: if it's somebody that somebody we know cares about, Valentine
Speaker 1: killed them or had a hand in it. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: makes sense. But we get a little parabatite crystal gem
Speaker 1: rock helpful as chunk of the of the city that
Speaker 1: he's just left. Let's hope it wasn't load bearing, which
Speaker 1: brings us very neatly to the offer, the danger offer.
Speaker 1: You can find where your parabatae is, but it might
Speaker 1: kill you. Although I don't think we find that out
Speaker 1: in this scene. I think we find out in the
Speaker 1: but the offer is there. I will say though, that's
Speaker 1: kind of always a safe assumption. I feel like we
Speaker 1: quit saying that at a certain point, maybe like halfway
Speaker 1: through season two, like oh, you could do this or
Speaker 1: you could die. Yeah, it just kind of you couldn't
Speaker 1: do this, and we just like to yourself or just
Speaker 1: like or I could die. Yeah, I get it, we do.
Speaker 1: Just that's always the option. Now we understand success or death. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I get it. I get it. And we're back in
Speaker 1: the boat. We're back on the boat. You and I
Speaker 1: back on the boat. This is like the first time.
Speaker 1: Oh no, that's not true. As I said, is the
Speaker 1: first time we interacted this season. That's just not true
Speaker 1: at all, not even a little bit. Although we might
Speaker 1: have shot this, I have a feeling we combined some
Speaker 1: of the episode one and two stuff on the boat,
Speaker 1: and I think this might have been the first scene
Speaker 1: we shot for season two, because it was day and
Speaker 1: the other stuff we did was night. So I think
Speaker 1: we started with this. Am I wrong? Very possibly, very possibly.
Speaker 1: I honestly can't remember for the life of me, but
Speaker 1: it's very possible, very very possible. My hair is definitely
Speaker 1: not episode two hair. It's episode one hair because they
Speaker 1: was thinking fix some stuff. This is the whole night, ma'am.
Speaker 1: Who did there? I just remember it was human and mosquitoes,
Speaker 1: It was humid, it was hot, and something else I remember,
Speaker 1: which I learned. This is kind of a silly fact,
Speaker 1: but this shirt that I'm wearing was made of this
Speaker 1: really thin linen and they steamed it. But when they
Speaker 1: steamed it, it grew because the fabric stretched, and so
Speaker 1: they had are amazing wardrobe team. Julianne. Actually, we love you,
Speaker 1: we miss you. Julianne. Hope you're having fun on the Boys. Boys,
Speaker 1: He's on the Boys. I know. I'm so jealous. I
Speaker 1: jealous of all of them. I keep telling my buddies
Speaker 1: on that show. I'm like, you take care of Julianne
Speaker 1: because she is amazing. Yeah, we love her. But she
Speaker 1: did a last minute alteration on set on the day
Speaker 1: to make the shirt fit again, because amazing, because she's
Speaker 1: a badass like that she is. She is indeed another
Speaker 1: life or death offer for Clary, though this time Jason
Speaker 1: is like, I don't really understand, and I sort of
Speaker 1: remember this, like the motivation here is just like brotherly
Speaker 1: like brotherly protection. But I feel like, honestly, the best
Speaker 1: solution would have been, like she's not going. I'm also
Speaker 1: not going. Yeah that's your answer, go on your mission.
Speaker 1: I don't care. But neither of us are going on
Speaker 1: this thing. That's not how it happened, because that's not
Speaker 1: good storytelling. Good storytelling is what happened. And Jace goes
Speaker 1: on the mission. Oh, we've got Simon and the snake again.
Speaker 1: So good. He's really trying this Encanter thing. You know,
Speaker 1: it's a fire reading snake. It is, indeed, of fire
Speaker 1: breathing snake, which is cool. Like again, Alberto is so good.
Speaker 1: All of this is reacting to nothing, like nothing was there.
Speaker 1: There was nothing there, there was there. Probably wasn't even
Speaker 1: like a ball or an eyeline marker for this one
Speaker 1: because it was just him. So you didn't need one
Speaker 1: the eyeline markers if when there's lots of us and
Speaker 1: we all need to be looking at the same thing.
Speaker 1: Here it was just him, So he's just doing this
Speaker 1: is all just imagination. He's doing such a good job,
Speaker 1: I think. I also think it's funny that Magnus now
Speaker 1: has like a burlap sacker, is just slowly filling in
Speaker 1: his stuff bit by bit, which is and Simon's about
Speaker 1: to die, yeah, and he's just like, do to do?
Speaker 1: Oh the dagger? O this? Oh? Actually this is This
Speaker 1: is a very very important scene. The dagger, very important.
Speaker 1: When do we find out about the dagger? I think
Speaker 1: it later this season in the beginning. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's this. Oh, I think it's in this season. It
Speaker 1: makes I think so, yeah, pretty sure. But anyway to
Speaker 1: be discussing, do not forget this dagger, Do not forget
Speaker 1: this dagger. It reminds me there's okay, there's help. See
Speaker 1: if you can help me. Remember, because you know Disney
Speaker 1: movies arguably better than I do. There's a dagger in
Speaker 1: one of the Disney movies. What it was at the
Speaker 1: beginning of A Laddin Jaffar. No, it's the old Man, true.
Speaker 1: It's when he's the old man and he takes the
Speaker 1: lamp and takes the dagger out and goes to stab
Speaker 1: a Laddin, and I think the carpet saves him. I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure I think carpet saves him. But that's the dagger.
Speaker 1: It looks like almost knew. I knew you'd know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know my Disney nice little, nice little Disney Wink,
Speaker 1: Disney to Disney Wink, Little Disney to Disney Wink. And
Speaker 1: then we get Incanto working, good job, good job, silent
Speaker 1: or the snake was just like, you're an idiot, and
Speaker 1: then it's difficult to read that snake reaction. We'd have
Speaker 1: to ask police what reaction he was trying to get
Speaker 1: off the snake. Yeah, so we'll see. It could be like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're new, Okay, I'm gonna I'm going to give you all.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm kind of done with this cute and
Speaker 1: then it just turns out to be a buddy. Sweet buddy,
Speaker 1: any buddy, let me see Alex room for the first time.
Speaker 1: We've not seen Alex room yet. Yeah. I don't remember
Speaker 1: where this set was. It was the utility bedroom or office.
Speaker 1: I forget if it was the office or Clary's bedroom,
Speaker 1: but they readdressed one of the the rooms in that hallway.
Speaker 1: We had a We had sort of this set of
Speaker 1: two or three hallways with I think two or three
Speaker 1: rooms off of them on the on the other side
Speaker 1: of the off center, and they would just redress these
Speaker 1: rooms to be whatever we needed. Whatever we needed, whether
Speaker 1: inquisitors office, amazing job, or the head of the institute
Speaker 1: or a bedroom or did it become anything else? I
Speaker 1: don't think so. But later on we started building more
Speaker 1: sets for things that we're going to be used more regularly,
Speaker 1: it does become although maybe that is in the office
Speaker 1: is another moment right at the end, Remember sticky couch.
Speaker 1: That sounded gross. That's not what I meant at all.
Speaker 1: Would just have to circle back to why I said that.
Speaker 1: It's absolutely pg That's not what I meant at all.
Speaker 1: Will come back to that when the episode is on,
Speaker 1: but yeah, was the reality unfortunately anyway, anyway, Clari is
Speaker 1: in a cage. Claire is in a cage, in a cage,
Speaker 1: and Dot comes up and it's kind of evil Dot.
Speaker 1: It's kind of evil Dot. But she's is she under
Speaker 1: She's under a like the injections made her compliant. Is
Speaker 1: that what it was? Yeah, it's Valentine has basically done
Speaker 1: what he does best and you know, just shot people
Speaker 1: up with things until they are under his control. But
Speaker 1: it is it is fear based, which is interesting because
Speaker 1: it's not just I will do your will. It's if
Speaker 1: I don't do this, he'll be angry. It literally says that, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. Maybe it is just a version of
Speaker 1: torture that's made them compliant. That maybe the injections themselves
Speaker 1: are whatever that what's the truth? Seron driver. What it's called?
Speaker 1: Technical name for it hid something something hydrochlorid? I think, yeah, sodium,
Speaker 1: I don't know. We don't think it's sodium. But hey,
Speaker 1: maybe it's like that. Perhaps Dot is sorry, listen to
Speaker 1: that's a heartbreaking line. Why did you stop looking for me?
Speaker 1: Right brutal? And the answer is because lady, you got
Speaker 1: thrown out of a second story window and you hit
Speaker 1: the rateling and we thought you did, Like for sure,
Speaker 1: I thought you were dead. We weren't looking for you.
Speaker 1: We didn't start looking for you. We were just like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're dead. Yeah. And not only that, but Magnus told
Speaker 1: us I don't feel her magic anymore, correct, which is
Speaker 1: I think the only reason that we did stop, because
Speaker 1: we all thought, even Magnus thought she was dead. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It must be the whole over water tracking situation. Well
Speaker 1: she was in Chernobyl. Oh maybe the radiation. Valentine's got
Speaker 1: some wards going on that kind of supersede a lot
Speaker 1: of things. Whatever it was, we couldn't find a Magnus.
Speaker 1: Sorry again. Now we're back with shirtless Magario. Oh so exciting, pensive,
Speaker 1: pensive Matt Dadario is more important here, I think than
Speaker 1: him being shirtless. He looks fantastic in his shirt, but
Speaker 1: he's doing in this face the emotions that he's feeling.
Speaker 1: That's the really important thing here. Ah, these flashes through
Speaker 1: we didn't This is the first time we see the babies. Right,
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you're right, it is, I think, because
Speaker 1: they come in episode three. This is stuff from episode three.
Speaker 1: This is the first time we see baby Jason, baby
Speaker 1: baby Alec and teenage Jason, teenage Aleck. Oh yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: And and a flash for those who are really paying
Speaker 1: close attention, flash the season one of Memory Demon episode
Speaker 1: and very good punch punch Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, Absolutely, Magnus,
Speaker 1: we're back with Magnus, when we're back with the Dagger,
Speaker 1: just tell us, man, tell us what's going on? Let
Speaker 1: us in. I have to. I just have to point out.
Speaker 1: Listen Antiques Road Show. You really really made my heart happy.
Speaker 1: Come on, buddy Funny. Oh man, did I Maybe I'm
Speaker 1: just a grandma, but I used to watch that show
Speaker 1: all the time. I watch it. Oh wait, is he
Speaker 1: explaining the dagger right now? No, he's just saying it,
Speaker 1: don't touch it. It's important because I was like, I'll
Speaker 1: just use this, I'll be resourceful. Oh he's explaining why
Speaker 1: he is the godfather the bird, the godfather the Bird's
Speaker 1: wing under which many other down world has learned to
Speaker 1: become down worlders. I know, just of Magnus sitting behind
Speaker 1: a desk like Marlon Brando, just being the godfather to
Speaker 1: would I would? It works? So I'm excited about this scene.
Speaker 1: You and I know how it ends, but this was
Speaker 1: this was like our first proper Darren McGuire fight, or
Speaker 1: at least my first proper Darren McGuire fight scene, because
Speaker 1: we are I remember this day the day before, two
Speaker 1: days before, we were on this same set and there's
Speaker 1: a fight scene that's about to happen underneath this rigging,
Speaker 1: and it's all quite sharp and it's all quite dangerous,
Speaker 1: and we had to be obviously like the level of
Speaker 1: the fight had to be physically lower. And I remember
Speaker 1: looking over and I was sat in my chair and
Speaker 1: Darren is over there doing it, just trying to plot
Speaker 1: things out with his legs bent, and he was doing
Speaker 1: it for about twenty minutes, and I came over and
Speaker 1: I was like, let's work this through whatever. And this
Speaker 1: is really special to me because this was this was
Speaker 1: like the first time the real discussion was had of
Speaker 1: like how would Jay's reactingly, like how would these sort
Speaker 1: of things happen? And there's a moment that we both discussed.
Speaker 1: I think it was Darren's idea, actually, he said, I
Speaker 1: want Jason to be so good and so quick that
Speaker 1: he is he is entirely aware of everything that's going
Speaker 1: on around him at any time. So when a sword
Speaker 1: is swung, I think at the back of my neck
Speaker 1: or the back or just my back. The block happens
Speaker 1: without thinking. I knew that that's what that was going
Speaker 1: to happen. And then we're onto the next thing. And
Speaker 1: that was Darren's idea, and I thought that was the
Speaker 1: coolest thing. I also don't know if that is this scene.
Speaker 1: I just saw the rigging and I was like, I
Speaker 1: like you no, but you're You're right to your point.
Speaker 1: Darren is so good at every single detail of of
Speaker 1: not only making it look cool, but putting character behind
Speaker 1: it and making it means something. And I think that's
Speaker 1: why people responded so well to the fights in the show,
Speaker 1: is that if everything had a reason and a purpose
Speaker 1: and and motivation, and that's all Darren. That is all
Speaker 1: Darren Boks, Darren Monsieur. This guess. This actress was so
Speaker 1: good and so lovely to work with. She played Heidi.
Speaker 1: But a wolf is not grattle. No, it's grattle. I
Speaker 1: think in the books it's Heidi, which we use Heidi
Speaker 1: as a different name later correct Her name is Oh,
Speaker 1: her name is Joe Anne. And I knew that Jensen
Speaker 1: Joe And if you're listening. You did an incredible job,
Speaker 1: and thank you very much for being such a team player,
Speaker 1: because these were tough days. You were so lovely chained
Speaker 1: up the whole time, Slash dead in the water. Because
Speaker 1: this was before we had toward the end of season
Speaker 1: two they were able to make magnetic cuffs so that
Speaker 1: if anyone was bound, they could be unbound on their own.
Speaker 1: This was pre that, so people were pretty much actually shackled.
Speaker 1: Um they were plastic shackles, but they were still actually shackled.
Speaker 1: And that's not a fun thing on set. Yeah, no
Speaker 1: it's not, and it's uncomfortable and there's really nothing you
Speaker 1: can do about it. It's it's rough. Shackles are rough,
Speaker 1: and it's it's kind of claustrophobic being shackled that way too.
Speaker 1: It's it doesn't feel good. No, no, it's not fun.
Speaker 1: No it isn't. But here comes we get to see
Speaker 1: the glowy swords again, which I love. We do, we do,
Speaker 1: we do see Clarion Dart walk it up this and
Speaker 1: then we end up with this nosebleed during the tracking moment,
Speaker 1: which is obviously ruined because we end up in the
Speaker 1: water again. I forgot the nosebleed. Yeah, So for those
Speaker 1: who don't know how nosebleeds are done, it's kind of grim.
Speaker 1: They get a little sort of circular sponge about this big,
Speaker 1: but it's very porous, very very poorous sponge, and they
Speaker 1: dip it or soak it in fake blood and then
Speaker 1: put that up your nose as far as they can obviously,
Speaker 1: so it doesn't go into your sinuses, but just up
Speaker 1: into sort of the column of your nose. And then
Speaker 1: you have to not breathe out of your nose until
Speaker 1: they're ready to go. You end up sort of sounding
Speaker 1: a bit like a beetle. The musicians got the edibles,
Speaker 1: and then were you're ready to do it, they will
Speaker 1: say action and you let the air come out of
Speaker 1: your nose and it will force the blood out, but
Speaker 1: not the sponge. And that's how these nose bleeds are done.
Speaker 1: There you go a little insider information. You did it
Speaker 1: very well. You know they're going to have a lot
Speaker 1: of dialogue in this moment. Otherwise, Yeah, there's a just
Speaker 1: it's all a dr there's nothing you can do. You
Speaker 1: can't speak and do it. However, there literally is in
Speaker 1: the background of this shop, Vanessa is there she's about
Speaker 1: to do the portal thing. It's after the fight, noses
Speaker 1: a bleeding. We don't know what's going on. She's about
Speaker 1: to open up the wards and there literally is a
Speaker 1: lightning strike behind her. Way what that was this day?
Speaker 1: That was this day. We were on the boat and
Speaker 1: we watched this thunderstorm just come towards us, slowly, slowly, slowly.
Speaker 1: It was this day, and there literally is a lightning
Speaker 1: strike still in the show that happens behind her. That crazy,
Speaker 1: That is crazy. So because we've been we've teased this
Speaker 1: so much, so this day was very humid, there was
Speaker 1: a storm coming and we were on this boat. This
Speaker 1: is actual boat in the actual water. We've talked about
Speaker 1: it many times. But because the lake is so large,
Speaker 1: we could watch the thunderstorm as it got closer and
Speaker 1: closer and closer. And I remember sitting down the boat
Speaker 1: with you, going, how does this work? Conductor? Copper Conductor.
Speaker 1: I mean, the assumption would be that boats get hit
Speaker 1: by lightning, and it doesn't just kill everyone on board,
Speaker 1: like there must be some it's gonna be ground fixes
Speaker 1: it like it must be. But I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know enough to say how I don't know if
Speaker 1: anyone knew on that set, because I think they didn't.
Speaker 1: We didn't quite think about that. No, we rushed through
Speaker 1: this and we got we got. We high tailed it
Speaker 1: as quickly as we could. This has ended. I wanted
Speaker 1: to do this stunt so badly, but they just wouldn't
Speaker 1: let us do it. It's high. It was like thirty
Speaker 1: five off the side of the boat, and I really
Speaker 1: wanted to do it. I would have done it with you.
Speaker 1: The issue was, actually, interestingly, the issue was with this
Speaker 1: stunt wasn't necessarily the impact of the water, although you
Speaker 1: do need to hit it correctly at thirty otherwise you
Speaker 1: will get hurt. It's because it was so dark you
Speaker 1: couldn't see where the surface of the water was, so
Speaker 1: you couldn't prep your hitting the water correctly. So Aaron
Speaker 1: did it, and Aaron does an amazing up and great job.
Speaker 1: They absolutely killed it. Amazing stuff and do that in
Speaker 1: and I don't know. Aaron didn't have a wig, did he? He?
Speaker 1: Aaron did not have a wig. But now ye've had
Speaker 1: a wig and the boots and everything else, and it
Speaker 1: was oh and then and then Valentine kills her anyway,
Speaker 1: m oh he does. That's right, because she ends up
Speaker 1: now catching up and that's a guy that is in
Speaker 1: fact our episode. Wow, Wow, more to come. I'm very excited.
Speaker 1: So I think I've mentioned this before a few times,
Speaker 1: but episode three, season two was my favorite, absolutely my
Speaker 1: favorite through the journey that Jays goes through and the
Speaker 1: ending and the it's absolutely my favorite episode maybe that
Speaker 1: we ever did, definitely of this season. So I'm excited
Speaker 1: to start talking about that. But in the meantime, thank
Speaker 1: you so much listening. I hope you had a little
Speaker 1: journey with us. We learned a little bit about nose
Speaker 1: bleeds and how you do some behind the scenes stuff
Speaker 1: which was fun, and boats and boats and what did
Speaker 1: I say that was useless? Something blowfish? Blowfish. That's right,
Speaker 1: we learned a little bit about blowfish. Unless I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: If they're any blowfish experts listening, just either tell me
Speaker 1: I'm right or don't tell me anything. I don't. I'm
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