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Speaker 1: In the Lab, a Texans podcast that takes a different

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Speaker 1: look at things. Drew Doherty and John Harris have their

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Speaker 1: lab coats and goggles on and the Bunsen burners burning.

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Speaker 1: Here's Drew, John, I can't believe it.

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Speaker 2: This is the penultimate.

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Speaker 3: I love sad pennouncements, which is next to less great word,

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Speaker 3: pribly pedantic to say penultimate, but anyways, it's p pedantic

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Speaker 3: to say padantic. This is the next to last mock

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Speaker 3: draft simulation we're gonna do on in the Lab, less

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Speaker 3: than two weeks away from the NFL draft. Sound a

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Speaker 3: little bit like George McFly there, Hey, get your damn

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Speaker 3: hands offer, But anyways, we are said, let's get rocket

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Speaker 3: and rolling.

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Speaker 2: You ready for this, let's go, let's go, let's do it.

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Speaker 2: So here we go.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna share the screen and as you know, as

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Speaker 3: you know, we use the Pro Football Network mock draft simulator,

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Speaker 3: right and we love it because they have trades. So

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Speaker 3: here we go, Johnny, We're doing seven rounds. Click over here,

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Speaker 3: going fast because always too fast, too furious, and we're

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Speaker 3: going to click on Houston.

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Speaker 2: We're going to enter the solo draft, and here we go.

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Speaker 3: We're going to make the Houston Texans a better football

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Speaker 3: team by choosing some of these guys. So we've entered

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Speaker 3: the solo draft. Names are flying off the board, and

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Speaker 3: at twenty five, the Texans have some options. Before we

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Speaker 3: look at those options, and my mouth is watering when

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Speaker 3: I see one of the options. Tampa Bay wants to

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Speaker 3: send us a crap package of a second, a third,

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Speaker 3: a second and third over the next two years. No

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Speaker 3: thank you, Tampa Bay. Get lost. The Saints want to

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Speaker 3: give us their two and their three. Thanks a lot,

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Speaker 3: No thanks. This is interesting. The Rams want us to

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Speaker 3: move back one spot and they want to give us

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Speaker 3: a fifth rounder that they have next year. I'm not

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Speaker 3: I'm not against that, but John, seeing this name right here, yeah,

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Speaker 3: twenty third rank name overall, which I think could probably

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Speaker 3: be ranked higher, Tyler Booker, the offensive lineman from Alabama,

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Speaker 3: I just want to run up and turn the card in.

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Speaker 3: With about seventeen seconds into the fifteen minute alignment.

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Speaker 4: Here's where that trade offer from the Rams would worry

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Speaker 4: me because I think they would be trading up because

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Speaker 4: they see the same name. Yeah, and so I would think, no,

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Speaker 4: we're not going to take that. We would get I

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Speaker 4: think at twenty twenty six fifth to go down one spot.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't do it because I think the Rams want

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Speaker 4: that same name.

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Speaker 3: I've thought they also just saw Gray Zabel get picked

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Speaker 3: a spot ahead right at twenty four by the.

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Speaker 4: Exactly, so you kind of fear that run of the

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Speaker 4: two or three guys that you're thinking about that spot.

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Speaker 2: And it makes me think of.

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Speaker 4: Draft Day and in you know the reason I think

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Speaker 4: of that movie.

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Speaker 2: I can't why I'm I'm blanket on.

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Speaker 3: Oh it's one spot in time out. John Harris here

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Speaker 3: he started following the draft and getting into the draft

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Speaker 3: after he saw the Kevin Coster movie Draft Day.

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Speaker 2: So that's that's false, that's false. But I do. I

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Speaker 2: do watch Draft Day. It's a fun movie. I do

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Speaker 2: watch Draft Day.

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Speaker 4: Oh here's why I was thinking a Draft Day, Kevin

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Speaker 4: Coster writes in the post it do you remember what

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Speaker 4: he writes in the post?

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Speaker 2: It remind me Vonte Mack no matter what got it? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that is. Tyler Booker is my Vonte Mack.

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Speaker 4: Tyler Booker, no matter what, he's there, snatch him, let's rock.

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Speaker 4: I think Tyler Booker is the right pick there at

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Speaker 4: twenty five. So we're make damn you did it. Ooh hmm, Okay,

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Speaker 4: here's an interesting one.

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Speaker 2: Trade offers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fifty eight uh and one of your sevenths to

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Speaker 3: move back eleven so move up to the one hundred

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Speaker 3: and six pick. Right, you'd be out of the second round,

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Speaker 3: but you'd have a third in a.

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Speaker 2: And you get a fourth. And that's one thing that

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Speaker 2: Texas don't have, Drew.

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Speaker 4: We don't have a six because that right now as

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Speaker 4: it sits after pick eighty nine, because we go fifty eight,

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Speaker 4: seventy eight eighty nine I believe is the numbering and

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Speaker 4: then it's all the way to one sixty six. So

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Speaker 4: I would be prone to make this deal with New

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Speaker 4: England because I get sixty nine and moved down eleven spots.

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Speaker 4: I moved down to the top of the round and

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Speaker 4: third round, but I also get a fourth round or

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Speaker 4: at the top of the fourth round. I do have

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Speaker 4: to give up my seventh round pick, but I'm okay

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Speaker 4: doing that. Yeah, I like this trade offer. What do

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Speaker 3: I like it too, and I'm I'm prone to take it,

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Speaker 3: but I want to see what else is out there. Okay,

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Speaker 3: move back to with the Lions and add one ninety six.

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Speaker 4: I actually like the Patriots won a little bit more

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Speaker 4: because I like that top of the fourth round pick

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Speaker 4: at one O six.

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Speaker 3: Look who's here before we do this? Okay, I got

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Speaker 3: Wyatt Milam from VIRGINI you don't like him high?

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Speaker 2: I like I like him. I think it's probably a

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Speaker 2: little bit high for him. Caleb Johnson the run, He

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 4: If if the Texans are going to be a wide

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Speaker 4: zone team, Caleb Johnson is absolutely the pick, no doubt

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Speaker 4: he's the pick. Well, we've already taken Donavan Jackson. I

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Speaker 4: think Cheries are really good tackle. We talked about him

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Speaker 4: before took book Who took Booker? We took Booker and

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Speaker 4: I like Ursery, but I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't love him.

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Speaker 4: I actually would like to see him in the third round,

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Speaker 4: but that's just me at he's kind of kind of

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Speaker 4: long and awkward a little bit. But look, one of

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Speaker 4: the things I've always said, he gets guys blocked. Somehow,

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Speaker 4: he gets guys blocked. I like pick fifty seven or

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Speaker 4: the player of number fifty seven, Jalen Royals wide receiver

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Speaker 2: I would be very tempted.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, and this might change everything for me

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Speaker 4: because I don't know that we could get him down

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Speaker 4: at sixty nine.

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Speaker 2: And that's so.

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Speaker 4: I'll lead up to you, Drew because I like Jalen Royals.

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Speaker 4: I like the Patriots trade offer.

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Speaker 3: That is a nice offer. But let's get let's get

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Speaker 3: guys we think can help. I think we'll be there.

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Speaker 3: So let's take you.

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Speaker 4: Jalen Royal spot twol five thick, strong, fast, very fast,

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Speaker 4: but lightning change of direction. I think it's a good

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Speaker 4: pick with taking Jaylien Royals at fifty eight.

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Speaker 3: Hey, you want to move back five spots and add

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Speaker 3: on a seventh year? No, No, you want to add

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Speaker 3: not into that.

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Speaker 2: So we got two trade offers. No, I don't think

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Speaker 2: you want them. Look good. So we're sitting at seventy nine.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you got the highest rated players defensive tackle from Toledo,

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Speaker 3: Darius Alexander.

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Speaker 2: You this easily? What?

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Speaker 4: Yes, Yeah, that's your guy. That's that's the guy. I

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Speaker 4: have him rated in the forties. Oh, I think he

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Speaker 4: is a stud. Now he's a little bit older. That's

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Speaker 4: kind of one of the things against him. But he

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Speaker 4: was at Toledo for six years. Dude, his long, fast, athletic,

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Speaker 2: Darius Alexander would end up being a player for us

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Speaker 2: for sure.

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Speaker 3: Okay, here we are, we're picking again at eighty nine.

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Speaker 3: We're getting asked to give up eighty nine and a

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Speaker 3: seventh yep, to move back seven spots and also pick

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Speaker 3: up one thirty four from the Eagles. Let's remember that one, okay,

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Speaker 3: and then let's move back and not really get great

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Speaker 3: stuff from Washington. Now, I'm I'm I'm cool with some

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Speaker 3: of the first one. But I see Elijah Arroyo available

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Speaker 3: the tight end out of Miami, and I know you

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Speaker 3: like him a lot.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't understand why he's at number ninety. I

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Speaker 4: really don't. He's a tremendous seam runner. I mean, he's

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Speaker 4: gonna be a one on one matchup nightmare for defensive backs.

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Speaker 4: I think I think he's gonna be really tough for him.

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Speaker 4: Gunner Helm is also on the board at eighty seven.

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Speaker 4: I think Arroyo is a little bit better athlete than Helm.

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Speaker 4: But I don't know that you go wrong with either one. Now,

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Speaker 4: what we've already done. If you think about what we've

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Speaker 4: already picked, We've picked Donovan Jackson guard.

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Speaker 2: Tackle, Tyler Booker, which yet, why do I keep saying

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Speaker 2: donavand Jackson? We got Tyler Brooker to guard.

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Speaker 4: Then the second round we got Jalen Royals, and then

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Speaker 4: we got Darius Alexander. So we've hit the three positions interier,

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Speaker 4: offensive line, interidefensive line, and wide receiver that many people,

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Speaker 4: us included think that's the way that we should go.

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Speaker 2: So to me, I think tight end is up there now.

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Speaker 4: I think you would probably look at more of an

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Speaker 4: inline blocking tight end, and I think Arroyo is very willing,

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Speaker 2: Don't know that that's his core competency.

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Speaker 4: I think if you're looking for an in line, why

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Speaker 4: Jackson Hawes from Georgia Tech. Maybe in the fifth or

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Speaker 4: sixth round. So I like these two tight ends though

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Speaker 4: running back from Kansas State, who's also on the board

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Speaker 4: right there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's also Terrence Ferguson available. Yeah, lower down.

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Speaker 2: Another another tight end. I really like out an organ.

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Speaker 2: So I kind of want to do this trade with.

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Speaker 4: The I do too, because you're only going down seven

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Speaker 4: spots and you still have those three guys.

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Speaker 3: You like, and you're dumping a seventh to move up

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Speaker 3: into the you know earlier earlier.

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Speaker 2: In the drafts. So now we lost to Royo, Like,

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Speaker 2: gunner Helm is there, but.

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Speaker 4: Gunnerhilm is there, and also Terrence Ferguson is there now I.

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Speaker 3: Know, and Hiln Fairchild another guard if you want to

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Speaker 2: Good solid football player.

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Speaker 4: But I think for right now, I kind of like

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Speaker 4: what we have at guard by having taken Tyler Booker

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Speaker 4: with adding ed Ingram and also Lake and Tomlinson depending

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Speaker 4: on what you gonna do with Titus Howard Titus could

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Speaker 4: play guard. So I think you're guard wise. I think

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Speaker 4: I might be okay there, Okay, I have Helm Ferguson,

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Speaker 4: I have Ferguson readied ahead of Helm.

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Speaker 2: Do you really yeah? Goodness? Okay, well yeah, not by much.

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Speaker 2: But I have Ferguson ready ahead.

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Speaker 3: It end, and he must be good because Gunner Helm

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Speaker 3: is one of those guys that I had a just

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Speaker 3: a casual football crush on. I like dudes at hurdle people.

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Speaker 3: I like big dudes at hurdle. He's a big dude

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Speaker 3: that hurdles guys. He played for the Longhorns. But if

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Speaker 3: you say, Ferguson is the guy.

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Speaker 4: But don't get me wrong though, don't get me wrong though,

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Speaker 4: I like Gunnerhilm a lot. I really like Gunner Helm.

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Speaker 4: He's just not quite the athlete that Ferguson is.

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Speaker 2: And let's do Ferguson. Is that our pick?

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Speaker 4: Well, here's the other here we're gonna throw the wrinkle

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Speaker 4: in there. I mentioned DJ Giddons is the running back.

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Speaker 4: DJ Giddens the running back from Kansas State. Now, as

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Speaker 4: a priority, which one do you think is a little higher?

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Speaker 4: I didn't think it's tight end, But I don't know

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Speaker 4: that either Helm or Ferguson are going to scratch the

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Speaker 3: Let's scratch itches. Then let's take Giddins. Okay, let's take Giddons.

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Speaker 2: Let's do it. Let's take Giddings in Kansas State back.

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Speaker 3: I take four picks, and now you've added one in

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Speaker 3: here in the fourth round, and the titaner the Jaguars

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Speaker 3: wants you to move back, and I don't really want

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Speaker 4: Nah.

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Speaker 2: I don't trade with the Gladstone exactly.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so we're picking again. Okay, we got another running back.

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Speaker 3: No thanks, quin yours, No thanks. Howard Crossed the third

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Speaker 3: defensive tackle from Notre Dame Jordan Phillips. Defensive tackle from

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Speaker 3: Notre Dame Jackson Slater. What do you think I mean?

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Speaker 2: I like him?

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Speaker 4: I like Jackson Slater. He's a center, slash guard. Tough,

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Speaker 4: really tough dude strong. Uh, there's one name that I

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Speaker 4: see there that it really intrigues me, and I'll tell

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Speaker 4: you why. He played at the University of Houston, but

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Speaker 4: then he transferred his final year to Oregon and played

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Speaker 4: alongside Derek Harmon, who I really like. You know that

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Speaker 4: he was in my mock draft first round Texans pick,

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Speaker 4: the last mock draft I did. Jamari Caldwell was fantastic

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Speaker 4: throughout his senior year. He is a big dude who

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Speaker 4: can move. Let's do it and I like that. I

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Speaker 4: like that a lot. And got Darius Alexander. He's a

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Speaker 4: little different. He's three hundred five pounds, which slick, sleek,

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Speaker 4: can really rush the quarterback. Jamory Caldwell is a guy

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Speaker 4: that at three hundred and twenty five three hundred and thirty pounds,

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Speaker 4: is agile and can really move. I like Jamuri Caldwell

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Speaker 4: right here in the fourth thron This would be a

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Speaker 2: I'm in okay, he's picked, all right.

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Speaker 3: So now you're gonna wait a little bit because of

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Speaker 3: the trades, yep, that have happened. But you got the one, six, six,

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Speaker 3: you got the fifth. You'res are still there. Jordan Phillips

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Speaker 3: is still there, a guy we've taken before in mock

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Speaker 2: But we're not gonna do that here today. You like

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Speaker 2: Jake brining stool or he's more of a pass catching

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Speaker 2: tight not really? Yeah you want so, I'm okay with that.

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Speaker 2: But that pick right there. One forty seven. JJ pegeesey tackle, huh.

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Speaker 2: I know we've taken defensive tackle, but I'm gonna throw you.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna throw you the ultimate curveball.

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Speaker 4: JJ Pegeese could actually be our big man version of

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Speaker 4: Travis Hunter. Real he could play defensive tackle, but at

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Speaker 4: the Combine they had him work out at full back

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Speaker 4: and he ran routes and caught the football and.

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Speaker 2: Just look awesome, fantastic. Ole miss would get in wildcat

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Speaker 4: He's a former quarterback, and they would put him in

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Speaker 4: the wildcat and they would just run power with him,

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Speaker 4: and he picked up first downs.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how many times JJ Pegeese.

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Speaker 4: I know it says defensive tackle, but he could beat

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Speaker 4: a little like a different.

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Speaker 2: Weapon to use offensively.

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Speaker 4: In addition to him playing defensive tackle, learning how to

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Speaker 3: Now for forty seven year old Drew Doherty likes this.

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Speaker 3: Eight year old Andy Doherty, who was a huge fan

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Speaker 3: of William the Refrigert. Yeah, there you go, I'm saying,

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Speaker 3: but I just got to throw up one more thing.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: Jonah Manheim, a center from USC. Are you interested or yes,

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Speaker 3: I'm very interested, I says. I like Jonah Manheim.

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Speaker 4: He I think he went from tackle to center in

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty four at USC. When I saw him at

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Speaker 4: the Senior Bowl, I was really impressed with his grit,

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Speaker 4: kind of his toughness. He's think USC kind of flashed,

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Speaker 4: but he really tough, really kind of latched onto blocks.

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Speaker 4: He didn't win every one, but you could just tell

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Speaker 4: there's kind of a grimy, gritty, swarm like attitude. You

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Speaker 4: gave me Monheim here, one sixty six, I'd be very

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Speaker 4: very happy.

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Speaker 2: I also like one sixty six on Pfens board.

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Speaker 4: Miles Miles Frasier, who's got long arms and plays guard.

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Speaker 4: He's got some technique work to do, but he transferred

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Speaker 2: As well as he could have at LSU.

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Speaker 4: So I think there are some definite, good, good options

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Speaker 4: on the board right here.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna let you make the pick, though, you know,

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Speaker 3: I kind of like the Monheim pick because I just

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Speaker 2: I like it in center. I like it good, Let's

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Speaker 2: do it. I like it.

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Speaker 3: That's gonna be a little while before we pick again. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: we had the seventh, and the way the seventh, we've

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Speaker 3: dumped one of those picks, so I think.

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Speaker 2: We only had one left.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you see the names coming off the board, and

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Speaker 3: the Texans got to forty one. Okay, let's see at

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Speaker 3: the tip top. You got Ty Hamilton, Oh, good player.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 4: If I didn't have if we didn't already have taken

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Speaker 4: two defensive tackles, I would be all over tight hamlinth right.

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Speaker 2: Now, Jackson Hawes from Georgia Tech. That's the guy mentioned

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Speaker 2: another name, Cody Simon, your team super great great senior year.

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Speaker 3: So we've taken Cody Simon before. But you like Jackson

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Speaker 4: I just feel like Jackson Hawes as an inline blocking

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Speaker 4: I won't hold that against him, but at Georgia Tech

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Speaker 4: he really showed what a blocker he is. But then

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Speaker 4: when he went the Senior Bowl, I'm expecting, Okay, I'm

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Speaker 4: watching this guy block, but I'm watching run some good routes.

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Speaker 2: He's got good soft hands.

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying that he's gonna turn out, you know,

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Speaker 4: I just feel like to have somebody that just gets

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Speaker 4: Kate Stover, It frees you up with Dalton Schultz. I'm

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Speaker 4: not saying you need a guy in seventh round. He's

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Speaker 4: can at least go in that direction, So Jackson Hawes

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Speaker 4: would be the pick here. I like the guys we

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Speaker 4: mentioned Hamilton, but we've already got two defensive tackles.

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Speaker 2: Rahem Sanders speedy, linear.

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Speaker 4: Fast, big back, but we already got DJ Giddens who

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Speaker 4: gives us that and.

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Speaker 2: Then he gives us some wiggle as well.

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Speaker 4: Kyle Oliver reviewed interesting kind of hybrid stack edge rusher

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Speaker 4: now zerr Stackhouse. Again, We've got a number of defensive tackles.

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Speaker 4: MC McWilliams I think is underrated corner. But to me,

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Speaker 4: I think Jackson Hawes is is the pick. But I'll

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna roll with that. That's cool. Jackson Hawes there,

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Speaker 3: So here's the here's the final pali you get. We

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Speaker 3: lusted after, Tyler Booker at the tip top and the

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Speaker 3: other book Jalen Royals wide receiver. Can you think come

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Speaker 3: come in and make some plays for the seconds from

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Speaker 3: Utah State? Yet Darius Alexander d tackle who you kind

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Speaker 3: of think is a steal there at seventy nine and

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Speaker 3: then are running back in DJ Giddens Jamari Caldwell, the

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Speaker 3: d tackle, Jonah Mannheim a center and tight end to

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Speaker 3: round things out, Jackson Hawes. We made some trades, so

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Speaker 3: we stayed true to our Nick Cassario had a model

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Speaker 3: making multiple trades. Maybe not maybe not as many as

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Speaker 3: Nick might meg Or has made, but some trades. Nonetheless,

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Speaker 3: you cool with that.

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Speaker 2: I'm very very cool with that draft.

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Speaker 4: I like what we've done there, good diversity amongst the

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Speaker 4: defensive tackles on one bigger one, a little bit sleeker.

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Speaker 4: I love getting Booker, Like I said the draft day

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Speaker 4: mantra Vonte Mack, no matter what, Tyler Booker, no matter what,

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Speaker 4: at twenty five, I would absolutely love that.

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Speaker 3: Booker alone makes it feel like a big, big degree. Absolutely,

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Speaker 3: and then the other stuff that's icing on a delicious cake. Yes,

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Speaker 3: it is very frosty, well said Druseph. All right, hey,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna do this one more time, which is gonna

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Speaker 3: be Wednesday, so two weeks from you know now, yep,

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Speaker 3: and then in between then we'll have another in the lab.

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Speaker 3: But the draft is almost here. I can't wait. I

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Speaker 3: know you can't wait, John, and I know you watching

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Speaker 3: listening Being the third part of this tripod. Because the

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Speaker 3: tripod falls over, there's only two parts, so the three

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Speaker 3: of us we had fun here. I hope you loved

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Speaker 3: doing this because I know we did. And we will

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