WEBVTT - Internet Things of the 1990s

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Solid Verbal.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll that for me.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a man, I'm forty.

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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<v Speaker 2>be happy.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to be happy for Dake Edith State.

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<v Speaker 4>Is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Whoo whoom? And now Dan and Tie, welcome, you've got mail.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to the Solid Verbal. Boys and girls. My

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<v Speaker 2>name is Ty hilden Brand joining me seated directly to

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<v Speaker 2>my left. Another show. We're in the same room.

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<v Speaker 4>Dan, It's true. Well, this is the most important show

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<v Speaker 4>of the This is why I'm here do this show remotely.

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<v Speaker 2>I am here for this show. It's true, Dan Rubinstein,

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<v Speaker 2>how are you?

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<v Speaker 5>Life is good?

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<v Speaker 4>I am giddy excitement over today's show because it is

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<v Speaker 4>the third annual one off topic show with our poll

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<v Speaker 4>Bill barn Well, and this year's topic is arguably the

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<v Speaker 4>most personal and most important.

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<v Speaker 5>Topic we've ever discussed.

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<v Speaker 4>If you've already downloaded the show, which I assume you have,

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<v Speaker 4>if you're listening, you know that we are talking basically

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<v Speaker 4>our experiences with the nineties internet and computer every see.

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<v Speaker 2>I am disappointed in you, yeah, because you are usually

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<v Speaker 2>the guy when we're doing our college football show that

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<v Speaker 2>has something cued up on Spotify. How do you not

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<v Speaker 2>have Phil Collins in the air tonight for this show?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I was doing this show for real. In that spirit,

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<v Speaker 4>I would either bring up a Metallica song, yeah because

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<v Speaker 4>shout out Lars Ulrich, the best and worst person of

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<v Speaker 4>the nineties as it relates to music and the Internet,

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<v Speaker 4>or maybe the buddy Holly Weezer Windows ninety five.

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<v Speaker 5>I think that might have been the move.

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<v Speaker 2>You need to play it on Winning, which really still

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<v Speaker 2>does whip the lama's as.

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<v Speaker 4>It very much does. And if you heard a very

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<v Speaker 4>faint laugh right there, that's our pal from ESPN.

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<v Speaker 5>Seen your NFL writer.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, yeah, I don't know what my title is, Bill Barnwell, Hey,

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<v Speaker 3>well back Bill, Thanks guys. I gotta admit when I

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<v Speaker 3>actually sparked a memory for me when I I believe

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<v Speaker 3>I somehow downloaded a clip of some Metallic a song

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<v Speaker 3>maybe nothing else matters. I had a three second clip

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<v Speaker 3>on AOL that replaced that you've got mail clip whenever

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<v Speaker 3>I got an e mail with that is nothing else matters.

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<v Speaker 4>So great because I had totally forgotten, in deep diving

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<v Speaker 4>my own nineties internet experience in my brain, totally forgot

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<v Speaker 4>that you could replace all the waves. You know that

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<v Speaker 4>you've got mail to welcome goodbye everything with you. There's

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<v Speaker 4>custom Seinfeld or terminator two, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Early of the early AOL modding was the thing that

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<v Speaker 2>you could do for sure. So, okay, the title of

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<v Speaker 2>this show, I don't know if we've necessarily agreed on that,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's nineteen nineties internet things. Dan and I discussed

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<v Speaker 2>this bill before you came over a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>of a loose restriction there on the Yeah, nineteen nineties.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it doesn't have to be up until nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety nine, but in the.

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<v Speaker 4>Spirit of the late nineties essentially, But yeah, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 4>try to stick us as much as we can to

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<v Speaker 4>the nineties. And before we get fully into the things

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<v Speaker 4>that we're going to discuss, I think it's good to

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<v Speaker 4>set a baseline, Ty, what year.

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<v Speaker 5>Did you graduate from high school?

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<v Speaker 2>Two thousand?

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<v Speaker 4>You graduated from two thousand, So this pushes right up

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<v Speaker 4>against So this is like high school and the Internet

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<v Speaker 4>are basically one in the same.

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<v Speaker 2>Baby.

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<v Speaker 5>This is the popularity.

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<v Speaker 2>This is when we're growing up right here.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm o one, Bill, you are I'm also one.

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<v Speaker 4>You're also one, So we are just right smack dab

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<v Speaker 4>like as we are going through these life changes. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>the world this thing is also this is essentially the

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<v Speaker 4>world's puberty.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah right, you're you're making like the sign for pubes.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's true, the International Pube sign is what's happening

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<v Speaker 4>at this table. No, what I'm saying is this is like,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, coming of age, like you know, whether it's

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<v Speaker 4>video games, whether it's you know, talking to people from

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<v Speaker 4>high school or talking to total strangers on the internet,

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<v Speaker 4>or you know, playing games or what.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's here's what's interesting about this, And especially since

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<v Speaker 2>this is the same crew as the Emo Show we

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<v Speaker 2>did two years ago and then last year the ninety

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<v Speaker 2>sports video games, this is sort of the tie that binds.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh for sure, absolutely does all of those things. This

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<v Speaker 2>was like the the the one thing that held it

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<v Speaker 2>all together. It definitely amplified the EMO obsession being so

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<v Speaker 2>access to things like Napster, and it absolutely made the

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<v Speaker 2>gaming a little bit more intense because now all of

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<v Speaker 2>a sudden, you could talk to people on the Internet

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<v Speaker 2>about the same game.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I mean I was running a I was one

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<v Speaker 3>of the people running a video game website for from

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<v Speaker 3>paid sports Football Pro that's in the mid nineteen Like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know that that does not happen if there's no Internet.

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<v Speaker 4>So right, exactly, I mean, and the majority of your

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<v Speaker 4>income since then is in some way directly or indirectly

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<v Speaker 4>tied to the Internet.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw that website and it's just been it's.

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<v Speaker 4>Straight cash front page sport. It's still loaded. No, But like,

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<v Speaker 4>obviously you've been at ESPN for a while. You were

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<v Speaker 4>at IGN doing things, Yes, you were, I mean ESPN

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<v Speaker 4>slash grant Lands before that, before fully ESPN. So this

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<v Speaker 4>is one of my miss you were football Outsiders, a contributor,

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<v Speaker 4>so we collectively even tie on your day job, you're

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<v Speaker 4>connected to the internet.

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<v Speaker 2>Connect. Yeah, we're all. We're all connected to the interwebs.

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<v Speaker 4>And I have, yes, my my salaries have all been

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<v Speaker 4>tied essentially to the Internet.

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<v Speaker 2>So here's what we should do to establish another baseline

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<v Speaker 2>before we really dive in. Let's talk about our our

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<v Speaker 2>our general like foundation with how we use the internet.

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<v Speaker 2>What was our computer situation, what we're rig what did

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<v Speaker 2>we connect to How did we connect to the internet

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<v Speaker 2>in the nineties.

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<v Speaker 5>Bill, what was your mid nineties rig?

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<v Speaker 3>A few different ways I was connecting to the internet

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<v Speaker 3>I had AOL before you could use AOL to access.

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<v Speaker 2>The World Wide Web. Okay, so there were just those topics.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was there was no outgoing thing. It was

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<v Speaker 3>just you were in that AOL space and there was

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<v Speaker 3>no way to escape it. They were right, we'll start there.

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<v Speaker 3>There was Prodigy.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you guys remember, I still remember

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<v Speaker 2>that my handle was j C m U eight five A.

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<v Speaker 3>Name, Oh God, my AOL screen name was. I believe

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<v Speaker 3>I could be wrong. I want to say it was

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<v Speaker 3>NFL Wiland, which was a combination of Oh and Scott Weiland,

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<v Speaker 3>the Start Temple pilots, my two favorite things combined into one.

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<v Speaker 4>So I think, so when people come across you, they're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>this guy is for real, this.

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<v Speaker 3>Guy two things, this guy super And I mean, like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, like you had a profile. You could search

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<v Speaker 3>for an AOL, but you could search for anyone's profiles

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<v Speaker 3>by typing in a name, So like I remember, I

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<v Speaker 3>would go and look for Steve or Bill or Bob,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'd be like, Wow, this guy was early doctor.

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<v Speaker 2>If only I had.

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<v Speaker 3>Bill on AOL would be golden. So had AOL had Prodigy,

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<v Speaker 3>I think I preferred Prodigy to AOL especially. It just

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<v Speaker 3>felt like it was more immersive because it was like

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<v Speaker 3>it was a DOS program, so it was like your

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<v Speaker 3>entire screen as opposed to a window.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we had.

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<v Speaker 3>Imagination, which I'm not sure how familiar with. Imagination was

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<v Speaker 3>a little different from the other one, so you could

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<v Speaker 3>only access it between seven pm and seven am, like

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<v Speaker 3>if you you dial if you dialed into it, it

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<v Speaker 3>was like before that you had to pay like some

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<v Speaker 3>exorbitant feel like it was fifteen dollars an hour to

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<v Speaker 3>access it before seven pms. You had to be really

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<v Speaker 3>addicted to it. Yes, they had it was like its

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<v Speaker 3>own little program. It had a bunch of different games.

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<v Speaker 3>It had actually football from Pageports Football Process in Company

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<v Speaker 3>had like Right Barron. It had some repgs, and of

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<v Speaker 3>course it had a password protected adult zone, which I

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<v Speaker 3>did not go to. I actually not not being conditioned,

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't not I actually did not go. But it

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<v Speaker 3>was clearly like this was a thing for adults, like

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<v Speaker 3>where they talk about taxes, they talk about taxes, child

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<v Speaker 3>care for one kids, all the deductions. So there are

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<v Speaker 3>message boards of course, but there was a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>sportulated content there and a lot of actually sports games

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<v Speaker 3>you could play, so I preferred that one, but it

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<v Speaker 3>was very tough to get access to it because, of course,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I was sharing a computer with my my

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<v Speaker 3>friends and family, most of my family occasionally my friends,

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<v Speaker 3>but you had to share with two a younger brothers

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<v Speaker 3>and computers. By the way, this is a packard Bell

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<v Speaker 3>might have been an IBM PS two at some point,

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<v Speaker 3>but it was. It was not a fantastic computer. But

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<v Speaker 3>I was pretty good at programming stuff together, especially back then,

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<v Speaker 3>so I was able to upgrade it. I sat up

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<v Speaker 3>some money being an ultra boy to ge get a

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<v Speaker 3>faster video card so I could play NHL ninety three.

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<v Speaker 5>So as soon as you got a taste, you were like,

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<v Speaker 5>all in.

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<v Speaker 3>A man, this is my thing, absolutely so AOL prodigy

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<v Speaker 3>and if I got lucky sometimes imagination.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, no copy serve on there though.

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<v Speaker 3>You know I could never deal with compuser because the

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<v Speaker 3>email addresses and the US names are.

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<v Speaker 2>Just a bunch of numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>True, I couldn't deal with that.

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<v Speaker 3>I was not into that. I don't think I've ever

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<v Speaker 3>used compuster. Did you guys use computer?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 4>And surely who you could not find NFL Island No?

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<v Speaker 2>So Dan what was your rig?

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<v Speaker 4>So I have a unique situation in that the first

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<v Speaker 4>computer we had was probably in nineteen ninety two, and

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<v Speaker 4>it was we got the computer because I won it

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<v Speaker 4>on a game show. It was a Mac or an Apple.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the game show. We have posted our YouTube in

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<v Speaker 2>that is that's the winning computer.

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<v Speaker 3>I would love it if it was a different game show.

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<v Speaker 3>You did not know about it.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I've been on four Yeah, so no. So we

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<v Speaker 4>won that computer and we didn't have the Internet, and

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<v Speaker 4>it was just a lot of like Oregon Trail math blaster,

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<v Speaker 4>you know that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Love the blessing math.

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<v Speaker 4>My parents went out to dinner once and I wrote

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<v Speaker 4>a memoir as like a ten year old on there

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<v Speaker 4>because I discovered a word processing whatever it was like

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<v Speaker 4>text edit. I wrote my memoir there. And then we

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<v Speaker 4>got AOL and I was net Ace seven two five,

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<v Speaker 4>and it was that double meaning of both the Internet

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<v Speaker 4>and I was a tennis player.

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<v Speaker 5>What I'm July twenty fifth, my birthday.

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<v Speaker 4>You were a birthday so net A seven two five.

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<v Speaker 4>Although my first aim screename we get an aim as

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<v Speaker 4>like different Animal was originally net A seven two five

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<v Speaker 4>changed it, I believe to Jackal to bo, don't know

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<v Speaker 4>what that means, no idea, and then later became this

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<v Speaker 4>bridge is the gap between this and the EMO show.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to say laid high school became something corp

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<v Speaker 4>for like something corporate but said in a different way.

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<v Speaker 4>Something I don't like the word something not many people knew,

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<v Speaker 4>but here I I. We were just an AOL family

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<v Speaker 4>until we got DSL. Maybe laid in high school, early college,

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<v Speaker 4>but I lived in a different in state in college,

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<v Speaker 4>but AOL all in on profiles, the chat rooms, fantasy sports, everything,

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<v Speaker 4>and it was and we asked the internet like I

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<v Speaker 4>asked the internet today, what were your nineties memories on

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<v Speaker 4>the Internet? Blah blah blah, And an overwhelming number of

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<v Speaker 4>people were you know away message, You've got mail, blah

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<v Speaker 4>blah blah. I cannot state how enormous of a deal

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<v Speaker 4>it was to me, and I'm assuming to you just

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<v Speaker 4>hearing you've got mail for sure and seeing new email.

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<v Speaker 4>Now we get thousands of emails, like it feels like

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<v Speaker 4>a day that was that major day.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a new event back then.

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<v Speaker 4>It was such an event, of course, so we were

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<v Speaker 4>so we were as the Rubenstein's were an AOL family,

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<v Speaker 4>and it went from the Mac, I went into PC's.

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<v Speaker 5>I had a gateway.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh everyone had Did you have a gateway? I did

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<v Speaker 2>not have a gateway? Oh, spots box.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I bought my computers from Tiger.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Tiger Direct, Tiger Direct, very nice.

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<v Speaker 3>I did not get that. I'm sure I looked at them.

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<v Speaker 5>So did you build any Did you build a tower

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<v Speaker 5>at a certain.

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<v Speaker 2>Point in late high school?

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<v Speaker 3>In college? Yes, I was I could build a tower,

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<v Speaker 3>but usually I was not building that. That was not

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<v Speaker 3>out of a lack of interest or ability, just they

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<v Speaker 3>did not have the funds to purchase a tower, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well I so my earliest memory of having a

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<v Speaker 2>computer was Mama h bringing one home from school over summer.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice, And I believe that was an old Apple LG two.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh boy, it had something like five hundred and twelve kilobytes,

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<v Speaker 2>which you know, you couldn't you couldn't you couldn't run

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<v Speaker 2>a toaster on that nowadays. But that was my earliest memory.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we kind of progressed into Dell. There was

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<v Speaker 2>at some point a Gateway two thousands, and then probably

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<v Speaker 2>more Dell's after it, but we we sort of dabbled

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<v Speaker 2>in the Prodigy stuff early JC NU eight five A

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<v Speaker 2>long live yeah, but then beyond that it was mostly

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<v Speaker 2>just AOL. Can never get into the compu served thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a unique situation being so lived with Mama

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<v Speaker 2>h Dad, who's never been mentioned on this program. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>would go to visit with Dad from time to time,

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<v Speaker 2>and Dad had a separate gateway two thousand. Oh okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So I had two and oftentimes I had two separate

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<v Speaker 2>systems to work on, and so on his computer, I

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<v Speaker 2>became you know, we weren't connected to the internet in

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<v Speaker 2>the same way we are today. I can only assume

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<v Speaker 2>the best in the world that mind sweepers have to assume, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And would construct ornate paintings within paint and then on

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<v Speaker 2>my own home computer.

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<v Speaker 5>Nothing but catfishing if that was the cat fishing rig.

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<v Speaker 2>But that was more of the AOL. That was more

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<v Speaker 2>of My screen name was of course wow. So and

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<v Speaker 2>you kept that to this day? Yeah, yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 2>I may still have that to this day.

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<v Speaker 5>May, I asked before we transit is sort of bracketing.

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<v Speaker 4>This is an early bracketing of So when you went

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<v Speaker 4>away to college, laptop or desktop desktop.

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<v Speaker 3>I was given a desktop as a graduation gift that

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<v Speaker 3>I was giving them money to build a desktop. Desktop

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<v Speaker 3>brought it with me.

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<v Speaker 2>Ty I had a desktop, as it did. I.

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<v Speaker 4>You went to college within driving distance. You went to

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<v Speaker 4>college within driving distance. I did not, and shipped a

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<v Speaker 4>god dang desktop eight hundred miles away to school, back

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<v Speaker 4>from school, back to school back.

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<v Speaker 2>There were a lot of big cow spotted boxes, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>footing around college campus.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me tell you, I would have possibly considered going

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<v Speaker 3>to a different school as I went to Northeastern University

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<v Speaker 3>rap in New York, went to school in Boston. I

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<v Speaker 3>probably would have gone to Arizona State University. And this

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<v Speaker 3>is related to the show. Were it not for the

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<v Speaker 3>fact that in two thousand, when I was looking at schools,

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<v Speaker 3>most of their dorms did not have Ethernet connections. You

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<v Speaker 3>had to except up to the internet in two thousand.

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<v Speaker 3>That was eighteen years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>That's crazy.

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<v Speaker 4>I visited Arizona State in two thousand and I too

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<v Speaker 4>many garlic fries at Gordon Beerson threw up. Was not partying.

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<v Speaker 4>Was with my dad and our friend Dave and just

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<v Speaker 4>puped everywhere. Did not end up at Arizona State.

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<v Speaker 2>So we were all on AOL. We all were part

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<v Speaker 2>of the do we want to call it like the

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<v Speaker 2>aim economy whatever?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, sure, you know at AIM.

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<v Speaker 2>If we're going to talk about this era of the Internet,

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<v Speaker 2>it was the thing. It was. It was the social media.

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<v Speaker 2>Before social media even came into existence, everyone had a

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<v Speaker 2>screen name. My daily regimen was you wake up, you

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<v Speaker 2>go to school, you come home, you do whatever you

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<v Speaker 2>gotta do, and then from like seven pm until it's

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<v Speaker 2>time to go to bed, you hop on AOL burning

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<v Speaker 2>that keyboard. Yeah, you start typing with your friends. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't remember doing that much else on the Internet than

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<v Speaker 2>typing to my friends on AOL.

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<v Speaker 4>We had a different experience. We had a different experience. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 4>we need to go deep into AIM. But what bod

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<v Speaker 4>are we talking baud your connection?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh god, well, I mean at first it was fourteen four.

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<v Speaker 5>You were you went all the way back to fourteen Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>At first it was fourteen four. It was fourteen to

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<v Speaker 2>four for me.

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<v Speaker 3>But like they would be, AL was so popular and

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<v Speaker 3>so difficult to access at the beginning that one of

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<v Speaker 3>the ways people would connect would be to try a

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<v Speaker 3>slower bods like I got down to four digit bods.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, at my, at my worst, and it was bad.

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<v Speaker 2>It was pretty sight I mean bad then was real bad.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Oh, it's not even it's not even a question.

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<v Speaker 3>Like you compare that to I remember like AOL being

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<v Speaker 3>super excited about oh, we now support fifty six six

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<v Speaker 3>K mode.

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<v Speaker 2>That was insane madness. Nothing could be fast.

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<v Speaker 4>It was like the four K of nineteen ninety eight.

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<v Speaker 4>I remember we jumped from fourteen four to thirty three six,

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<v Speaker 4>a mode of big jamb and everybody was just slumming

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<v Speaker 4>it in twenty eight eight. But the Rubinsteins were got

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<v Speaker 4>dang in on thirty three six and it felt like

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<v Speaker 4>we were zooming. And then we got to fifty six K.

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<v Speaker 2>Please please, my internet at home right now might be

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<v Speaker 2>about fifty six because it is no but it you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the question that I jotted down in our little notes

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<v Speaker 2>she here, did anyone have a separate phone line? Because

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<v Speaker 2>we're in that era now where you know you're tying

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<v Speaker 2>up the phones a lot, especially at night, and to

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<v Speaker 2>really be a true power user of the interwebs, can't

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<v Speaker 2>be interrupted, can't be interrupted. Did you have the separate

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<v Speaker 2>phone lines?

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<v Speaker 3>Which oh I would have loved, it would have been

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<v Speaker 3>the dream, but did not have not happen, though we did.

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<v Speaker 4>We had two lines in our house before even the internet,

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<v Speaker 4>and the second line was mostly became for like facts internets.

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<v Speaker 4>And then in high school, I mean old chatty Dan

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<v Speaker 4>over here. You know, well, you guys couldn't help it,

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<v Speaker 4>the ladies.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys may have had an experience than me, right

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<v Speaker 2>with just sharing the computer.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, because I'm an only child. Oh yeah, I have

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<v Speaker 4>two little brothers. Bill has two siblings. So how did

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<v Speaker 4>that work at night where you got nightmare? The one

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<v Speaker 4>phone line and you didn't have more than one computer? No,

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<v Speaker 4>No one had more than one computer? No, how did that?

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<v Speaker 4>Eventually we did, but it took a long time.

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<v Speaker 3>Yea, yeah, it's awful. It's just it was a terrible mess.

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<v Speaker 3>You get about ninety minutes, so it would be like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, you're in at five thirty, you're out at seven.

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<v Speaker 3>You know you have that much time to work. You

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<v Speaker 3>got to get a lot of everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And so then when after I graduated high school, my

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<v Speaker 3>parents said, you can get a computer by a desktop.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll pay for it. Just put it together, be reasonable.

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<v Speaker 2>And I did.

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<v Speaker 3>And that was like the biggest luxury was not only

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<v Speaker 3>number one, I have my own computer, I don't have

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<v Speaker 3>to share it. But number two we had a cable

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<v Speaker 3>on them at that point, so I could just stay

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<v Speaker 3>online all day yep, as opposed to like having to

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<v Speaker 3>structure my time. That was like, I could not imagine

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<v Speaker 3>life being better than that. Those are the days.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, you think back fondly. But also that

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<v Speaker 4>was a nightmare. That was a full on nightmare. Two

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<v Speaker 4>little brothers also wanting to use the Internet and everything.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's not like those ninety minutes were used in

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<v Speaker 4>a constructive or like in an efficient way. No, you're

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<v Speaker 4>talking fifty six K thirty three six. That's a slow experience,

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<v Speaker 4>so you're getting a tenth of what you can do

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<v Speaker 4>in ninety minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And the other thing too is now when we

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<v Speaker 2>go online, we know what we want to of course

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<v Speaker 2>get done. We know what sites are out there, we

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<v Speaker 2>know what's available to us. But back to the new planet,

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<v Speaker 2>it was a totally new planet. New things are popping

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<v Speaker 2>up all the time, so you couldn't be efficient because

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<v Speaker 2>the entire experience was exploration. Yeah, you're just seeing what

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<v Speaker 2>was out there as opposed to searching and destroying.

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<v Speaker 4>Also, the idea of loading a picture. I'm not even talking.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not talking about porn. I'm not talking about anything

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<v Speaker 4>like I mean, I could be, but I'm not talking

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<v Speaker 4>about anything at all inappropriate. I'm talking if you're loading

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<v Speaker 4>a picture of I don't know who, like Kobe Bryant

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<v Speaker 4>in nineteen ninety eight New Laker or something like that,

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<v Speaker 4>it is like making bad.

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<v Speaker 2>You're like, what's gonna happen next? What are the next

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<v Speaker 2>pixels going to be?

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<v Speaker 1>Like?

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<v Speaker 4>Is this going to be in focus? Is it, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>a high quality is it a low quality image? And

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<v Speaker 4>everything is You're just on the edge of your seat

0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:16.560
<v Speaker 4>waiting for a picture?

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<v Speaker 2>Can it? Can I tell you his story? Please?

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<v Speaker 3>About how naive I was Once upon a time I

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<v Speaker 3>was downloading a picture of an athlete I don't remember

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<v Speaker 3>who hockey play.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a thing, mind, you just downloaded athlete pictures, just

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<v Speaker 4>collect because you could.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Like, I'm just gonna get this Joe Sackic photo,

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<v Speaker 3>of course, why not? I gotta hoard it? And like

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to see something on the other side of

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<v Speaker 3>the photo, and like I think, like maybe his back

0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:39.480
<v Speaker 3>was facing the camera and I wanted to see what

0:20:39.560 --> 0:20:42.360
<v Speaker 3>was going on the front. So I downloaded a image

0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:45.800
<v Speaker 3>editing software and hit the rotate button trying to get

0:20:45.800 --> 0:20:48.320
<v Speaker 3>the photo to Rota, not realizing that it would just

0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:51.520
<v Speaker 3>rotate the actual pixel. Yes, very upsetting to find out if.

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<v Speaker 4>An hour and a half of work you thought you

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<v Speaker 4>could you had three dimension access to all of life

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<v Speaker 4>in perpetuity.

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<v Speaker 2>As it turns out. Oh man, yeah, that was insane.

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<v Speaker 2>It was incredible. And then of course we graduated up

0:21:03.960 --> 0:21:08.960
<v Speaker 2>into college and you know, same deal where you get

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<v Speaker 2>to college, it's talk about a new planet.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, oh it's not even necessarily, but it's it's steroids, it's.

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<v Speaker 4>Everything is up. It's it's basically going from a covered

0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:24.800
<v Speaker 4>wagon to a Ferrari right with nothing in between.

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<v Speaker 3>The moment for me was really Napster, where it was

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<v Speaker 3>like you know, in the past, like you could find

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<v Speaker 3>files and you can download them and it wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 3>super fast, but you could like get in your fifty

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<v Speaker 3>six K speed download a five megabyte.

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<v Speaker 4>Files Simpsons Waves or something like Copter.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you can get that stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>But then like Napster coming along, and there were other

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<v Speaker 3>sides when Napster's I think was the most prominent one.

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<v Speaker 3>From first, like I got a iPod rider ad the

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<v Speaker 3>same time. Okay, and that, yeah, I think it was

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<v Speaker 3>right before I went to schools like two thousand hours.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't one and you're like getting like a sixty

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<v Speaker 3>four maybe a fifty gig twenty five gig iPod and

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<v Speaker 3>having cable modem and unlimited access to songs was like

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<v Speaker 3>it just was like, this is this is the absolute

0:22:09.600 --> 0:22:11.000
<v Speaker 3>feature nothing can possibly time.

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<v Speaker 4>Did you have like the the shared iTunes like in

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<v Speaker 4>your dorm situation, we had direct connect? Oh yeah, so

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<v Speaker 4>you could you could download any movie in a matter

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<v Speaker 4>of seconds, any like every person's shared music libraries, or

0:22:23.640 --> 0:22:25.439
<v Speaker 4>like if I wanted to, like I was a big

0:22:25.520 --> 0:22:27.560
<v Speaker 4>email fan at that point, if I wanted to download

0:22:27.600 --> 0:22:30.160
<v Speaker 4>a Jimmy World album, I had access to every gimm

0:22:30.200 --> 0:22:33.080
<v Speaker 4>eight World album, a bunch of live bootlegs, like any

0:22:33.200 --> 0:22:36.400
<v Speaker 4>possible thing in a matter of seconds. After years ago,

0:22:36.520 --> 0:22:38.040
<v Speaker 4>I would not have AC I couldn't there, I could

0:22:38.080 --> 0:22:41.080
<v Speaker 4>not have even a year before, have listened to a

0:22:41.160 --> 0:22:43.040
<v Speaker 4>song of Theirs on the internet. Right, Like it was

0:22:43.280 --> 0:22:46.080
<v Speaker 4>that amount, that was that sort of jump overnight. How

0:22:46.200 --> 0:22:50.080
<v Speaker 4>quickly did you both go from Okay, here's your standard

0:22:50.119 --> 0:22:53.040
<v Speaker 4>AOL chat room, AOL profiles blah blah blah. And then

0:22:53.080 --> 0:22:58.080
<v Speaker 4>there's news groups, there's alt dot whatever. And if you're

0:22:58.240 --> 0:23:00.479
<v Speaker 4>somebody responded with like I was an Eyelid unders fan.

0:23:00.560 --> 0:23:02.159
<v Speaker 4>I was just burning up the new the like all

0:23:02.280 --> 0:23:03.280
<v Speaker 4>dot islander.

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<v Speaker 3>That's sports dot. Yeah, new Dash York Dash Islander. Yes,

0:23:06.560 --> 0:23:07.760
<v Speaker 3>I think I did it for like a week.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

0:23:08.280 --> 0:23:09.120
<v Speaker 3>Then I was like, I can't.

0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:13.119
<v Speaker 4>I found albums like people would post like actual downloadable interesting.

0:23:13.240 --> 0:23:14.879
<v Speaker 4>I mean it was very much a thing I just

0:23:15.000 --> 0:23:16.160
<v Speaker 4>know I could never get into.

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<v Speaker 5>Really, Yeah, I r C.

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<v Speaker 2>It was intense O I r.

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<v Speaker 3>C for sure.

0:23:19.440 --> 0:23:22.240
<v Speaker 2>I that was more two thousand, two thousand slapping people

0:23:22.280 --> 0:23:24.520
<v Speaker 2>with a fish on I r C. That's right. I

0:23:24.920 --> 0:23:27.200
<v Speaker 2>I r C was another means of getting files.

0:23:27.440 --> 0:23:30.399
<v Speaker 4>Of course, you know shout out video pimp absolutely if

0:23:30.440 --> 0:23:32.800
<v Speaker 4>you were were you a video pimp, his name was

0:23:32.880 --> 0:23:33.880
<v Speaker 4>video pimp out.

0:23:34.840 --> 0:23:37.760
<v Speaker 2>If if you were looking for something that wasn't on Napster,

0:23:37.840 --> 0:23:38.800
<v Speaker 2>you could always find it out.

0:23:38.880 --> 0:23:41.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and then you had the naps not clones, but

0:23:41.680 --> 0:23:43.880
<v Speaker 4>like there were a bunch of you know, Kazah and Audio.

0:23:44.359 --> 0:23:48.399
<v Speaker 2>More Tower, dot Net, bear Share, which all had virus.

0:23:48.720 --> 0:23:52.919
<v Speaker 4>That's like wire I want to go back to Napster

0:23:53.040 --> 0:23:58.160
<v Speaker 4>because one I loved win Amp so so much win

0:23:58.520 --> 0:24:00.480
<v Speaker 4>skins near skin.

0:24:00.560 --> 0:24:02.600
<v Speaker 3>I got admit I was a music match jukebox guy.

0:24:02.760 --> 0:24:03.040
<v Speaker 4>Really.

0:24:03.240 --> 0:24:06.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh it came with the first iPod Nobody's perfect. I'm sorry,

0:24:07.280 --> 0:24:08.879
<v Speaker 2>I I.

0:24:09.000 --> 0:24:11.720
<v Speaker 4>Used the hell out of wind Amp, the visualizer for

0:24:11.800 --> 0:24:12.240
<v Speaker 4>wind Amp.

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<v Speaker 2>I never understood that. I still don't.

0:24:14.240 --> 0:24:15.280
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I don't get it either.

0:24:15.359 --> 0:24:18.320
<v Speaker 4>But I had like a pioneer your pioneer audio like

0:24:18.720 --> 0:24:21.480
<v Speaker 4>somewhat higher ends like sub Monster.

0:24:21.920 --> 0:24:22.959
<v Speaker 5>Yes, I had.

0:24:23.160 --> 0:24:25.080
<v Speaker 4>I had a pioneer skin, and I felt like I

0:24:25.280 --> 0:24:28.240
<v Speaker 4>was souping up my wind Am, like I was getting

0:24:28.359 --> 0:24:32.480
<v Speaker 4>extra good audio quality because somebody decided to slap a pioneer.

0:24:32.200 --> 0:24:34.120
<v Speaker 3>Logo and nail the levels on this one.

0:24:34.280 --> 0:24:37.360
<v Speaker 4>Yes, ooh the mix is just a little bit better. Yeah,

0:24:38.480 --> 0:24:41.000
<v Speaker 4>But Napster wise, I had a huge library. I'm sorry,

0:24:41.119 --> 0:24:42.920
<v Speaker 4>recording industry and artists of America.

0:24:43.119 --> 0:24:45.200
<v Speaker 2>I I actually have an interesting story in this because

0:24:45.320 --> 0:24:49.320
<v Speaker 2>one of my good good friends from high school was

0:24:49.560 --> 0:24:54.560
<v Speaker 2>actually on the early, early, early Napster beta. Okay, okay,

0:24:54.640 --> 0:24:57.040
<v Speaker 2>so we're talking about the people who had Napster before

0:24:57.080 --> 0:25:00.480
<v Speaker 2>the world had Napster, where he is communicat with the

0:25:00.560 --> 0:25:01.520
<v Speaker 2>creators of Mew like.

0:25:01.560 --> 0:25:03.160
<v Speaker 5>Sean Fanning is on the other side.

0:25:04.880 --> 0:25:07.520
<v Speaker 2>Oh, there is an email or was an email on

0:25:07.600 --> 0:25:10.040
<v Speaker 2>his machine from Sean Fanning inviting him to be part

0:25:10.119 --> 0:25:15.720
<v Speaker 2>of a broader beta. And I believe many of the

0:25:15.760 --> 0:25:18.480
<v Speaker 2>individuals who were on that beta were later in some

0:25:18.640 --> 0:25:22.000
<v Speaker 2>sort of legal peril, of course, because of the copyright

0:25:22.080 --> 0:25:26.400
<v Speaker 2>infringement situation that came about from Napster. But Naster changed

0:25:26.400 --> 0:25:28.000
<v Speaker 2>the world. It changed the world.

0:25:28.119 --> 0:25:32.359
<v Speaker 4>Napster changed the world, but it didn't really We weren't

0:25:32.440 --> 0:25:35.440
<v Speaker 4>arrested as far as I know, for downloading songs. My

0:25:35.640 --> 0:25:40.680
<v Speaker 4>question is, though Napster's one thing, Napster plus a CD burner. Oh,

0:25:42.200 --> 0:25:48.919
<v Speaker 4>how early were you in having a tower with CDR capabilities?

0:25:49.080 --> 0:25:51.480
<v Speaker 2>I was pretty early, was pretty early on the show.

0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:54.080
<v Speaker 2>I was not either, Yeah, I was pretty early.

0:25:54.240 --> 0:25:57.280
<v Speaker 4>I remember Andrew Einhorn, who was also responsible for my

0:25:57.320 --> 0:25:59.840
<v Speaker 4>pinky being short by the way, he was in a

0:26:00.200 --> 0:26:01.120
<v Speaker 4>very early.

0:26:01.119 --> 0:26:01.960
<v Speaker 2>He's in the Yakuza.

0:26:02.400 --> 0:26:05.040
<v Speaker 4>He's in the Yakuza. People don't know that about him. No,

0:26:06.080 --> 0:26:08.720
<v Speaker 4>I'm almost positive as him. Maybe Matt Levan. I know

0:26:08.800 --> 0:26:12.560
<v Speaker 4>these names mean a lot too. But they had CD

0:26:12.680 --> 0:26:17.399
<v Speaker 4>burners and would bring CDs to school and it was

0:26:17.480 --> 0:26:20.159
<v Speaker 4>their writing and a sharpie on the CDs, not the

0:26:20.320 --> 0:26:24.000
<v Speaker 4>actual printing from like a press of a CD, and

0:26:24.440 --> 0:26:27.520
<v Speaker 4>I felt like they were living in the future. Somehow

0:26:27.640 --> 0:26:31.199
<v Speaker 4>their dad's robbed like a shipping container that came over

0:26:31.280 --> 0:26:34.520
<v Speaker 4>from Japan, Like how were they allowed to have this technology?

0:26:35.359 --> 0:26:40.480
<v Speaker 4>And for months anyway, they were on a higher social

0:26:40.640 --> 0:26:47.080
<v Speaker 4>strata because they had that CDR CDRW. They had that

0:26:47.240 --> 0:26:47.960
<v Speaker 4>cdr W.

0:26:48.320 --> 0:26:49.560
<v Speaker 2>I mean that that was a legitimate thing.

0:26:49.600 --> 0:26:52.720
<v Speaker 3>And so when I moved to Long Island, one of

0:26:52.760 --> 0:26:54.720
<v Speaker 3>the first ways I made friends was that I knew

0:26:54.720 --> 0:26:57.720
<v Speaker 3>how to edit auto exec dot bat and can figure

0:26:57.720 --> 0:27:01.600
<v Speaker 3>that and so like when people's computers were like my

0:27:01.800 --> 0:27:04.080
<v Speaker 3>friend's computer was like not morning super Bowl, and I'm like, oh,

0:27:04.119 --> 0:27:05.240
<v Speaker 3>I do this, this and this, and I showed them.

0:27:05.200 --> 0:27:07.479
<v Speaker 2>And they were like, wow, this is you know how

0:27:07.520 --> 0:27:07.920
<v Speaker 2>to fix this?

0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:10.080
<v Speaker 3>And then I became friends with people because like we

0:27:10.200 --> 0:27:12.520
<v Speaker 3>were the ones who had AOL, right, and we would

0:27:12.600 --> 0:27:14.240
<v Speaker 3>use AOL and so it was like, this is the

0:27:14.280 --> 0:27:15.280
<v Speaker 3>thing you do with your friend.

0:27:15.280 --> 0:27:16.120
<v Speaker 5>It's a big deal.

0:27:16.240 --> 0:27:19.720
<v Speaker 3>And then I remember in high school, like when that

0:27:19.880 --> 0:27:21.879
<v Speaker 3>mapster was around my final year, my senior year of

0:27:21.920 --> 0:27:25.800
<v Speaker 3>high school, and showing people Napster for the first time.

0:27:26.240 --> 0:27:26.720
<v Speaker 5>Mind blowing.

0:27:26.880 --> 0:27:30.680
<v Speaker 3>Mind blowing, just like because like people, you know, I

0:27:30.800 --> 0:27:32.680
<v Speaker 3>found out about it like slowly, like I heard about

0:27:32.680 --> 0:27:33.199
<v Speaker 3>it and then I was like.

0:27:33.200 --> 0:27:34.520
<v Speaker 2>Well, how can it be? And I used it and

0:27:34.600 --> 0:27:36.000
<v Speaker 2>I was like wow, but like just showing someone who

0:27:36.040 --> 0:27:39.760
<v Speaker 2>had no idea it even existed. H Absolutely. There were

0:27:40.560 --> 0:27:45.359
<v Speaker 2>three distinct levels of Napster usage for me. The first

0:27:45.560 --> 0:27:49.040
<v Speaker 2>was when you used it care free, sure, and downloaded

0:27:49.200 --> 0:27:52.040
<v Speaker 2>at will stuff you didn't even want, but just because

0:27:52.080 --> 0:27:52.440
<v Speaker 2>you could.

0:27:53.040 --> 0:27:54.840
<v Speaker 3>This is now the seventh version of Every Morning by

0:27:54.880 --> 0:27:56.520
<v Speaker 3>Sugar Ray. I have on this computer, but why not?

0:27:56.840 --> 0:27:57.600
<v Speaker 3>True exactly.

0:27:58.359 --> 0:28:03.119
<v Speaker 2>The second I would status level would be, I know

0:28:03.240 --> 0:28:07.240
<v Speaker 2>this is probably breaking some sort of lawkay, therefore I'm

0:28:07.280 --> 0:28:09.639
<v Speaker 2>gonna use it, but sparingly right, I'm.

0:28:09.480 --> 0:28:10.240
<v Speaker 5>Gonna pick my spot.

0:28:10.880 --> 0:28:13.399
<v Speaker 4>I'm only going to download like the Impossibles, see right,

0:28:13.440 --> 0:28:15.280
<v Speaker 4>I'm only going to download like Nelly.

0:28:15.520 --> 0:28:17.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I don't know if they're watching me,

0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:21.840
<v Speaker 2>but just in case. Wow, Okay. Yeah. Then there was

0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:25.040
<v Speaker 2>the third level where it was like, you know, I'm

0:28:25.119 --> 0:28:26.320
<v Speaker 2>like twenty six, maybe.

0:28:26.200 --> 0:28:27.880
<v Speaker 4>I should just afford it's time.

0:28:28.200 --> 0:28:30.440
<v Speaker 2>You should just go out and buy something, right, you know,

0:28:30.520 --> 0:28:33.119
<v Speaker 2>because really if you think about it, Napster, whether it's Napster,

0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:38.160
<v Speaker 2>Cozah Bearish, all these file transfer services, they were the

0:28:38.320 --> 0:28:41.200
<v Speaker 2>early pilot for the iTunes store.

0:28:41.280 --> 0:28:43.360
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and what's strange if and I know you were

0:28:43.400 --> 0:28:45.000
<v Speaker 4>into it somewhat, but Bill and I were probably a

0:28:45.040 --> 0:28:47.480
<v Speaker 4>little bit deeper into that, like emo pump punk. Around here,

0:28:48.040 --> 0:28:50.080
<v Speaker 4>you couldn't get a lot of these records that like

0:28:50.200 --> 0:28:54.720
<v Speaker 4>your local Sam Goodie and so Napster was in a

0:28:54.800 --> 0:28:58.240
<v Speaker 4>lot of ways super good for a lot of exposure

0:28:58.320 --> 0:29:01.840
<v Speaker 4>for these bands they'd become popular, it was just untrackable,

0:29:02.080 --> 0:29:06.080
<v Speaker 4>unmonetizable and be illegal. But I had access to so

0:29:06.240 --> 0:29:09.640
<v Speaker 4>much like just like Bucko nine, you know, those types

0:29:09.680 --> 0:29:12.960
<v Speaker 4>of bands that like of course, like Blockbuster Music or

0:29:13.000 --> 0:29:16.840
<v Speaker 4>the warehouse isn't carrying them, but I could go see

0:29:16.840 --> 0:29:18.240
<v Speaker 4>their show because I had heard of them, and I

0:29:18.280 --> 0:29:21.040
<v Speaker 4>would go so that I'd buy their CDs at the shows.

0:29:21.120 --> 0:29:24.040
<v Speaker 2>We could probably do fifteen shows on the master for sure.

0:29:24.680 --> 0:29:27.840
<v Speaker 2>But that was the one thing that all the higher

0:29:27.960 --> 0:29:31.160
<v Speaker 2>ups in the music industry overlooked. The discovery element. Yeah,

0:29:31.240 --> 0:29:33.520
<v Speaker 2>for sure. The discovery element of it is really what

0:29:33.880 --> 0:29:36.160
<v Speaker 2>still drives it today. Not the fact that you can

0:29:36.200 --> 0:29:37.760
<v Speaker 2>buy it online. But the fact that you can find

0:29:37.800 --> 0:29:38.320
<v Speaker 2>new stuff and.

0:29:38.360 --> 0:29:40.160
<v Speaker 5>Neither one of you got in trouble. Am I correct?

0:29:40.240 --> 0:29:41.080
<v Speaker 2>I in trouble?

0:29:41.120 --> 0:29:42.240
<v Speaker 5>Did you get a warning notice?

0:29:42.320 --> 0:29:44.280
<v Speaker 3>I didn't get any trouble from the DMCA, but my

0:29:44.680 --> 0:29:48.120
<v Speaker 3>high school uh like study hall teacher yelled at.

0:29:48.040 --> 0:29:50.760
<v Speaker 4>Me for oh and it was specifically he knew he

0:29:50.880 --> 0:29:51.400
<v Speaker 4>or she knew it.

0:29:51.480 --> 0:29:53.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I got paid. I got pegged a couple

0:29:53.960 --> 0:29:59.200
<v Speaker 2>times for seeding bandwidth from my I okay, in college, I.

0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:01.400
<v Speaker 3>Actually I read I got even more trouble. I had

0:30:01.440 --> 0:30:04.600
<v Speaker 3>a great after school job high school senior year where

0:30:04.600 --> 0:30:06.680
<v Speaker 3>I would just watch the computer lab and the library

0:30:07.040 --> 0:30:09.240
<v Speaker 3>and like two people would come in every week and

0:30:09.280 --> 0:30:11.120
<v Speaker 3>that would be it. So it's great, said, they do nothing.

0:30:11.720 --> 0:30:14.480
<v Speaker 3>And but the internet was like filtered, and I found

0:30:14.480 --> 0:30:16.000
<v Speaker 3>a way to get past the filter and showed my

0:30:16.080 --> 0:30:17.120
<v Speaker 3>friend Brian, how.

0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:17.880
<v Speaker 5>Did you get past the film?

0:30:17.920 --> 0:30:20.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember how I got so some of those

0:30:20.280 --> 0:30:23.720
<v Speaker 2>early filtering mechanisms superre there. It was a lot of

0:30:23.840 --> 0:30:26.040
<v Speaker 2>duct tape and shink.

0:30:26.080 --> 0:30:28.840
<v Speaker 3>I just I just came into a proxy server and

0:30:28.920 --> 0:30:31.080
<v Speaker 3>that got past it, and so I should my friend

0:30:31.160 --> 0:30:33.600
<v Speaker 3>he did it, and then a teacher saw him accessing

0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:35.600
<v Speaker 3>something that was not appropriate for the Internet course, and

0:30:35.680 --> 0:30:37.920
<v Speaker 3>he's like, oh, how did you find that? And he said,

0:30:38.000 --> 0:30:40.360
<v Speaker 3>he just sold me out basically, And so then he

0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:42.560
<v Speaker 3>got the summer job at the library, which was the

0:30:42.720 --> 0:30:46.520
<v Speaker 3>freem job, and the job I hadn't promised to also

0:30:46.560 --> 0:30:50.080
<v Speaker 3>work with him did not ever show up, Oh Bill, heartbreaking.

0:30:50.200 --> 0:30:50.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:30:50.360 --> 0:30:52.360
<v Speaker 4>I don't think we ever got notices. I don't think.

0:30:52.680 --> 0:30:54.560
<v Speaker 4>I don't know if maybe we got banned with ones,

0:30:54.600 --> 0:30:57.640
<v Speaker 4>but never d M c A anything. So now you're

0:30:57.680 --> 0:31:00.520
<v Speaker 4>talking about connecting the proxy server. So this this strikes

0:31:00.600 --> 0:31:03.360
<v Speaker 4>me as a gentleman who knows his way around. What

0:31:03.520 --> 0:31:06.440
<v Speaker 4>else were you doing at that? So you mentioned programming, sure,

0:31:06.480 --> 0:31:10.000
<v Speaker 4>auto exec dot bat files. Sure, what other kinds of

0:31:10.000 --> 0:31:14.840
<v Speaker 4>stuff were you were you experimenting with? This is gonna this,

0:31:15.480 --> 0:31:17.720
<v Speaker 4>This is not where I'm trying to go. But what

0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:19.880
<v Speaker 4>kind of stuff were you playing around with? As it

0:31:19.920 --> 0:31:21.800
<v Speaker 4>relates to mainstream protocol?

0:31:21.880 --> 0:31:24.160
<v Speaker 3>It sounds way more illicit than actually, yeah, of course,

0:31:24.200 --> 0:31:25.880
<v Speaker 3>I mean like I was teaching myself to program, like

0:31:25.920 --> 0:31:28.640
<v Speaker 3>I was learning Q basic, you know, I was basically

0:31:28.800 --> 0:31:30.960
<v Speaker 3>trying to modify simple things, just trying to figure out,

0:31:31.000 --> 0:31:32.600
<v Speaker 3>like how I can get the most out of the computer.

0:31:34.000 --> 0:31:35.840
<v Speaker 2>I was, you know, doing tiny things. Who were there?

0:31:35.960 --> 0:31:40.280
<v Speaker 3>Like I was running dots and high umb as opposed

0:31:40.320 --> 0:31:42.160
<v Speaker 3>to lo dos. I don't know what that actually means.

0:31:42.320 --> 0:31:43.840
<v Speaker 5>Where are we going with that show?

0:31:44.000 --> 0:31:47.120
<v Speaker 3>But like, like you know, I went to school as

0:31:47.120 --> 0:31:48.800
<v Speaker 3>a computer science managers like that was like, oh, this

0:31:48.920 --> 0:31:51.320
<v Speaker 3>is my thing like this, And then I got there

0:31:51.400 --> 0:31:52.520
<v Speaker 3>and I was there for a year and a half

0:31:52.560 --> 0:31:54.440
<v Speaker 3>and I was like, this is actually not my hell.

0:31:54.640 --> 0:31:57.000
<v Speaker 3>And from that point forward, I have not been a programmer.

0:31:57.080 --> 0:31:59.200
<v Speaker 3>I have not learned anything more in my computers, and

0:31:59.320 --> 0:32:01.880
<v Speaker 3>I am now just a total army in terms of

0:32:01.960 --> 0:32:04.800
<v Speaker 3>my computer. So up to that point, I was great,

0:32:04.840 --> 0:32:05.200
<v Speaker 3>But now.

0:32:05.120 --> 0:32:07.200
<v Speaker 4>I know nothing were you into? And I know Ti,

0:32:07.520 --> 0:32:09.040
<v Speaker 4>I'm setting this up because I know Tie has a

0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:12.520
<v Speaker 4>lot to say on the topic. So there were certain

0:32:12.600 --> 0:32:14.560
<v Speaker 4>tools that people made for even just AOL.

0:32:14.680 --> 0:32:17.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh sure, so I'm gonna get more water yeah, get

0:32:17.240 --> 0:32:17.920
<v Speaker 2>more water tight.

0:32:18.520 --> 0:32:19.240
<v Speaker 5>This is Ties.

0:32:19.800 --> 0:32:22.200
<v Speaker 4>When we were chatting about this show beforehand, he was like,

0:32:22.280 --> 0:32:24.400
<v Speaker 4>I'm so happy for this show. This is my like

0:32:25.040 --> 0:32:28.880
<v Speaker 4>twenty seven year, I'm my year twenty seven, age twenty seven.

0:32:28.880 --> 0:32:32.240
<v Speaker 4>I'm rounding into my prime for this show. Well, a

0:32:32.280 --> 0:32:36.360
<v Speaker 4>popular one was Aohel Sure of course TI mentioned I

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<v Speaker 4>think it was was Fate Fate And basically it was

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<v Speaker 4>a series of tools which you could mail mass mail people.

0:32:45.480 --> 0:32:48.120
<v Speaker 4>You could punt people from AOL. You could put in

0:32:48.800 --> 0:32:54.560
<v Speaker 4>weird or dirty, ASKI things into chat rooms, and you

0:32:54.640 --> 0:32:57.040
<v Speaker 4>could have sent. You could send an email from an

0:32:57.080 --> 0:32:58.920
<v Speaker 4>email address that wasn't yours. It could appear to be

0:32:58.960 --> 0:33:02.520
<v Speaker 4>from your email address to hide the actual sender.

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<v Speaker 2>I loved it.

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<v Speaker 4>It made me feel like I knew what I was doing.

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<v Speaker 4>But I was just an ass. That's all it was,

0:33:11.840 --> 0:33:14.960
<v Speaker 4>was me being an idiot dick. But I felt so

0:33:15.200 --> 0:33:19.200
<v Speaker 4>much power coursing through my veins using all the proggies

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<v Speaker 4>or progus.

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<v Speaker 3>You weren't You weren't a dirty Warez boy, were you?

0:33:22.600 --> 0:33:24.680
<v Speaker 4>That actually sounds familiar. I don't know what that is,

0:33:24.960 --> 0:33:27.320
<v Speaker 4>but I know I know Warez is a city, but

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<v Speaker 4>like what is dirty Warres? I'm just oh, you're.

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<v Speaker 2>Saying, He's say where? I was gonna say, yeah, Warrez?

0:33:34.600 --> 0:33:39.760
<v Speaker 2>And wherees is the Yanni and Laurel where? Because I

0:33:39.800 --> 0:33:41.720
<v Speaker 2>was always under the parents was like Softwares.

0:33:42.680 --> 0:33:44.560
<v Speaker 4>I've gone, I've gone both.

0:33:44.600 --> 0:33:47.640
<v Speaker 2>I used to be Warez and then I had a

0:33:47.720 --> 0:33:49.959
<v Speaker 2>computer science friend telling me that it was actually wares

0:33:50.400 --> 0:33:55.760
<v Speaker 2>I I switched. I am the dirtiest of Where's Boys. Well,

0:33:56.040 --> 0:33:58.200
<v Speaker 2>I used the hell out of What's funny about those

0:33:58.280 --> 0:34:04.120
<v Speaker 2>programs is, by modern standards, they were just like sophisticated macros.

0:34:04.720 --> 0:34:07.000
<v Speaker 2>You know, they didn't really do anything. They were all

0:34:07.120 --> 0:34:09.439
<v Speaker 2>they're always like talking about all the all the cool

0:34:09.480 --> 0:34:11.640
<v Speaker 2>stuff that you can do that they don't. They don't

0:34:11.640 --> 0:34:12.520
<v Speaker 2>want to tell you about it.

0:34:13.000 --> 0:34:15.960
<v Speaker 4>And I used it to Like, the very important thing

0:34:16.000 --> 0:34:19.480
<v Speaker 4>I used it for was downloading leisure Suit Larry six, right,

0:34:19.600 --> 0:34:22.120
<v Speaker 4>of course, yeah, that sense, that's yeah, of course.

0:34:22.320 --> 0:34:24.839
<v Speaker 2>But my favorite was the I was a fate guy

0:34:25.239 --> 0:34:30.440
<v Speaker 2>fate X. I don't know fate X I remember pretty vividly.

0:34:31.440 --> 0:34:34.000
<v Speaker 2>And the two things I remember about it is that

0:34:34.120 --> 0:34:38.080
<v Speaker 2>when you started it up, there was a wave or

0:34:38.719 --> 0:34:42.239
<v Speaker 2>m P three file of pd P diddies I'll be

0:34:42.280 --> 0:34:46.120
<v Speaker 2>missing you that one, of course, and that would play

0:34:46.239 --> 0:34:51.399
<v Speaker 2>for about thirty five seconds, very long, was not well held.

0:34:51.600 --> 0:34:53.960
<v Speaker 2>Wait out Diddy to start, had to wait out Diddy.

0:34:54.440 --> 0:34:57.440
<v Speaker 2>And then there was an I am bomb instant message

0:34:57.520 --> 0:35:00.680
<v Speaker 2>down utility where you could just pick buddy and send

0:35:00.719 --> 0:35:02.759
<v Speaker 2>them the same thing. One hundred thousand times or whatever,

0:35:03.600 --> 0:35:05.600
<v Speaker 2>but you could never really do a whole lot with them.

0:35:06.160 --> 0:35:09.040
<v Speaker 2>And for me, using those programs is more about like,

0:35:10.280 --> 0:35:13.560
<v Speaker 2>is there something I'm missing here that I can't do more?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Because it was it just seemed like it was marketing.

0:35:16.239 --> 0:35:18.200
<v Speaker 2>It's like this is this is like the keys to

0:35:18.200 --> 0:35:20.160
<v Speaker 2>the Hidden City. But then you would try to use

0:35:20.200 --> 0:35:22.360
<v Speaker 2>it and you can never really modify the software the

0:35:22.440 --> 0:35:26.000
<v Speaker 2>way you'd think. Right, that was disappointing to me. I'm

0:35:26.000 --> 0:35:27.640
<v Speaker 2>just starting to hear that I was disappointed by that.

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<v Speaker 4>Bill mentioned running building front page sports football stuff. Oh sure,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't.

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<v Speaker 5>Off the top of my head.

0:35:35.160 --> 0:35:38.640
<v Speaker 4>I remember making sites, but it was more to just

0:35:39.000 --> 0:35:41.600
<v Speaker 4>make and see what I could do with gifts and

0:35:42.120 --> 0:35:45.280
<v Speaker 4>rolling marquee blinking, yes, all of those things.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh god, bless the counter. Oh you take counter, Oh

0:35:48.520 --> 0:35:49.160
<v Speaker 2>my god.

0:35:49.000 --> 0:35:50.000
<v Speaker 3>The counter going on.

0:35:50.320 --> 0:35:50.840
<v Speaker 2>Guestbook.

0:35:50.960 --> 0:35:53.839
<v Speaker 3>You got the guest boys. You're part of the web ring.

0:35:56.960 --> 0:36:01.600
<v Speaker 3>You got that little Netscape navigators download that for optimization

0:36:01.760 --> 0:36:03.000
<v Speaker 3>purposes until it's up.

0:36:03.200 --> 0:36:04.160
<v Speaker 5>You're under construction.

0:36:04.480 --> 0:36:07.480
<v Speaker 3>You're always construction. You got stuff blinking. You got that

0:36:07.600 --> 0:36:09.640
<v Speaker 3>little pop up when you go to the pange asking

0:36:09.719 --> 0:36:11.760
<v Speaker 3>for your name, so you insert that into the page

0:36:12.480 --> 0:36:14.920
<v Speaker 3>you go to. Was it Matt's script archive downloads?

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<v Speaker 4>So I messed around with that, but not for any

0:36:19.480 --> 0:36:21.400
<v Speaker 4>sort of purpose there was. I never had like a

0:36:21.560 --> 0:36:23.200
<v Speaker 4>pulp fiction fan site.

0:36:23.000 --> 0:36:23.160
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:36:23.239 --> 0:36:25.680
<v Speaker 4>It was never like purpose to what I was building

0:36:25.719 --> 0:36:27.400
<v Speaker 4>other than just like, hey, I'm Dan and this is

0:36:27.440 --> 0:36:30.600
<v Speaker 4>my website. I made a website probably two thousand in

0:36:30.719 --> 0:36:35.640
<v Speaker 4>Microsoft Publisher. Sure, yeah, always fun. But I didn't have

0:36:36.480 --> 0:36:38.359
<v Speaker 4>like a thing that I didn't have, like an early

0:36:38.480 --> 0:36:40.640
<v Speaker 4>version of a blog. I didn't have a fan site

0:36:40.680 --> 0:36:44.160
<v Speaker 4>for something. What did you guys build aside from Bill's

0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:47.879
<v Speaker 4>front page sports that you if you built anything whether

0:36:47.920 --> 0:36:50.640
<v Speaker 4>it's Geo City's angel Fire or whatever that like you

0:36:50.760 --> 0:36:52.440
<v Speaker 4>had a parked identity online.

0:36:53.080 --> 0:36:55.880
<v Speaker 2>I appreciate the setup here, Yeah, because you know exactly

0:36:55.960 --> 0:36:56.840
<v Speaker 2>where this is going to go.

0:36:57.040 --> 0:36:58.560
<v Speaker 4>Well, no, I know one of the answers. I don't

0:36:58.560 --> 0:36:59.520
<v Speaker 4>know how many there are so.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the first and most notable was that I started

0:37:05.880 --> 0:37:11.759
<v Speaker 2>playing fantasy football among friends entirely manually based on the

0:37:11.840 --> 0:37:15.120
<v Speaker 2>box scores in the paper. We would manually keep track

0:37:15.560 --> 0:37:18.920
<v Speaker 2>with our Byzantine scoring system with who was winning and

0:37:18.960 --> 0:37:19.560
<v Speaker 2>who was losing.

0:37:19.920 --> 0:37:20.960
<v Speaker 4>In between all.

0:37:20.880 --> 0:37:22.800
<v Speaker 5>Of the dates that you guys were all going on.

0:37:23.560 --> 0:37:27.520
<v Speaker 2>This is as of like nineteen ninety five, before anything

0:37:27.640 --> 0:37:32.360
<v Speaker 2>is you know, really out there online. And my initial

0:37:32.680 --> 0:37:36.080
<v Speaker 2>test run with creating things on the internet was creating

0:37:36.160 --> 0:37:38.480
<v Speaker 2>just a site where we could look to see who

0:37:38.560 --> 0:37:41.839
<v Speaker 2>we had on our teams and what scores were some standings. Yeah, right,

0:37:41.960 --> 0:37:45.120
<v Speaker 2>So that that was actually a very practical way to

0:37:45.280 --> 0:37:46.919
<v Speaker 2>use it. And in between you kind of mess around

0:37:46.960 --> 0:37:48.400
<v Speaker 2>and figure out other things that you can do.

0:37:48.760 --> 0:37:50.160
<v Speaker 3>That's like crew into yahoo dot com.

0:37:50.600 --> 0:37:52.839
<v Speaker 2>What's that? That's like grew into Yahoo dot Yah dot

0:37:52.880 --> 0:37:57.080
<v Speaker 2>com sold for several billions, yes, But the most notable

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<v Speaker 2>was the article I sent you where my junior year

0:38:02.840 --> 0:38:06.000
<v Speaker 2>playing varsity baseball. I did not play a lot of

0:38:06.080 --> 0:38:10.399
<v Speaker 2>varsity baseball on that team. You were baseball adjacent, that's right,

0:38:10.680 --> 0:38:11.080
<v Speaker 2>That's right.

0:38:11.160 --> 0:38:11.360
<v Speaker 1>I was.

0:38:11.560 --> 0:38:16.520
<v Speaker 2>I was a participant on that team and my junior

0:38:16.600 --> 0:38:20.360
<v Speaker 2>year anyway, was the designated scorekeeper and or Signs Steeler

0:38:21.120 --> 0:38:23.719
<v Speaker 2>along with a really good friend of mine. And so

0:38:24.520 --> 0:38:26.719
<v Speaker 2>again kind of building on this idea we can use

0:38:26.760 --> 0:38:31.960
<v Speaker 2>the Internet to keep track of stuff. We built a

0:38:32.080 --> 0:38:36.600
<v Speaker 2>website for our varsity baseball team that made the local paper.

0:38:39.040 --> 0:38:42.600
<v Speaker 4>In case you haven't heard, the world is going online.

0:38:43.840 --> 0:38:45.920
<v Speaker 2>Reading the art. This is the article I sent it

0:38:46.000 --> 0:38:46.200
<v Speaker 2>to you.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna skip a little bit thus far. However, there

0:38:49.760 --> 0:38:53.080
<v Speaker 4>are relatively few websites that contain extensive information on local

0:38:53.200 --> 0:38:56.759
<v Speaker 4>high school sports teams that are constantly updated. That makes

0:38:56.840 --> 0:39:02.600
<v Speaker 4>Steve Hinkle and Tyler Hildenbrandt's pioneer. This is from the

0:39:02.680 --> 0:39:08.160
<v Speaker 4>Allentown Morning Call. Yeah, so Tie is on a baseball

0:39:08.200 --> 0:39:10.600
<v Speaker 4>team and he's being written up as a webmaster.

0:39:12.200 --> 0:39:16.320
<v Speaker 2>That's right. Yeah, And I remember the author of that

0:39:16.480 --> 0:39:20.200
<v Speaker 2>article asking our coaches about it, like have they have

0:39:20.320 --> 0:39:22.520
<v Speaker 2>they filled you in on this, and it was as

0:39:22.520 --> 0:39:24.960
<v Speaker 2>if they had seen a ghost, where as if the

0:39:25.040 --> 0:39:27.319
<v Speaker 2>author had two heads of course, you know, because back

0:39:27.400 --> 0:39:30.160
<v Speaker 2>then it was like it's this like you know, it's

0:39:30.239 --> 0:39:32.080
<v Speaker 2>just something something the kids are.

0:39:32.120 --> 0:39:34.840
<v Speaker 4>How old are you at this point, you're like fourteen, fifteen, sixteen?

0:39:35.040 --> 0:39:35.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:39:35.600 --> 0:39:38.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, okay, so this is this is the time when

0:39:38.800 --> 0:39:41.120
<v Speaker 4>I mean, did you make anything else other than front page?

0:39:41.200 --> 0:39:42.359
<v Speaker 4>Like did you devote your time?

0:39:42.760 --> 0:39:43.040
<v Speaker 3>What's it?

0:39:43.080 --> 0:39:43.399
<v Speaker 2>Two things?

0:39:43.480 --> 0:39:45.960
<v Speaker 3>Number One, I played fantasy sports at this time too. Yeah,

0:39:46.160 --> 0:39:48.560
<v Speaker 3>but we played in my neighborhood in Queens and it

0:39:48.719 --> 0:39:52.320
<v Speaker 3>was always it was fantasy baseball through the mail, so

0:39:52.400 --> 0:39:54.439
<v Speaker 3>you would get like you would get updates every week

0:39:54.600 --> 0:39:56.759
<v Speaker 3>with like a like a I got print out that

0:39:57.080 --> 0:39:59.120
<v Speaker 3>the commissioner would get and then like make copies of

0:39:59.200 --> 0:40:01.080
<v Speaker 3>it give to you and you saw you on the street.

0:40:01.719 --> 0:40:03.640
<v Speaker 3>So it would be like a fifteen page like you

0:40:03.719 --> 0:40:05.920
<v Speaker 3>know dot matrix print out of the numbers every week,

0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:10.000
<v Speaker 3>but like like fantasy football and hockey, same thing. We

0:40:10.080 --> 0:40:12.480
<v Speaker 3>were just watching like the ESPN two bottom line and

0:40:12.840 --> 0:40:14.640
<v Speaker 3>just writing it down and then comparing it at the

0:40:14.680 --> 0:40:15.080
<v Speaker 3>end of the week.

0:40:16.920 --> 0:40:17.759
<v Speaker 2>But I did not.

0:40:18.200 --> 0:40:20.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure I did, but I don't remember what it was.

0:40:21.120 --> 0:40:25.200
<v Speaker 3>All I remember is that it was on the Geocity

0:40:25.280 --> 0:40:27.120
<v Speaker 3>site in the Colisseum neighborhood.

0:40:27.480 --> 0:40:30.080
<v Speaker 2>That was your hood, that was I was also a coliseum.

0:40:31.080 --> 0:40:33.280
<v Speaker 3>I thought about Times Square. I was open to Times Square.

0:40:33.280 --> 0:40:36.960
<v Speaker 3>There are other ones I was considering, but Colisseum sports related.

0:40:37.000 --> 0:40:38.120
<v Speaker 3>You figure it's got to be the way to.

0:40:38.160 --> 0:40:40.480
<v Speaker 4>Think to you, Okay, So this is this is though

0:40:40.560 --> 0:40:42.680
<v Speaker 4>an important time because we mentioned aim or aim, I don't.

0:40:42.719 --> 0:40:44.520
<v Speaker 4>I think I always called it aim to be honest,

0:40:46.520 --> 0:40:53.319
<v Speaker 4>I called it Juarez Warez Yanny. It's the no matter

0:40:53.400 --> 0:40:55.160
<v Speaker 4>what you're doing with websites, no matter what you're doing

0:40:55.200 --> 0:40:57.839
<v Speaker 4>with fantasy sports. And I do have a really bad,

0:40:57.920 --> 0:41:01.800
<v Speaker 4>shameful fantasy sports story to tell. But AM was the

0:41:01.920 --> 0:41:05.719
<v Speaker 4>center of the universe, sure, because and I don't think

0:41:05.719 --> 0:41:07.640
<v Speaker 4>I'm speaking out of turn here. I assumed the three

0:41:07.680 --> 0:41:11.440
<v Speaker 4>of us were not necessarily the most popular, the most charming,

0:41:11.719 --> 0:41:14.520
<v Speaker 4>especially with people we were trying or we had crushes

0:41:14.560 --> 0:41:17.960
<v Speaker 4>on or anything like that. But you're a different self

0:41:18.520 --> 0:41:21.080
<v Speaker 4>on lots, right. You're not anonymous with these people. Obviously

0:41:21.160 --> 0:41:23.640
<v Speaker 4>you've shared your screen names whatever, and so like you're

0:41:23.680 --> 0:41:26.680
<v Speaker 4>talking to these people. But you get home from school,

0:41:27.320 --> 0:41:32.240
<v Speaker 4>Pop open AIM person signs on, and you're just cracking knuckles.

0:41:32.280 --> 0:41:34.080
<v Speaker 4>You're like, all right, here we go, here we go

0:41:34.200 --> 0:41:37.600
<v Speaker 4>today the day I can't I can't chat her, maybe

0:41:37.680 --> 0:41:41.719
<v Speaker 4>she'll I am me. But then you start thinking about, oh,

0:41:41.800 --> 0:41:43.680
<v Speaker 4>what's a good entry, Like I can let me let

0:41:43.719 --> 0:41:49.960
<v Speaker 4>me hi, Hi, Let me tell you about sixteen year

0:41:50.000 --> 0:41:56.600
<v Speaker 4>old Dan eventually did alright with with AIM and essentially

0:41:56.719 --> 0:41:59.920
<v Speaker 4>started dating somebody because I was pretty good on it.

0:42:00.120 --> 0:42:02.399
<v Speaker 4>I AM because it was way better than I could

0:42:02.440 --> 0:42:05.000
<v Speaker 4>be in person, because in person was an even worse

0:42:05.120 --> 0:42:06.840
<v Speaker 4>version of that high.

0:42:08.200 --> 0:42:10.320
<v Speaker 5>So I AI AM did actually work.

0:42:10.200 --> 0:42:14.080
<v Speaker 4>Out well for me eventually late nights, you know, chatting

0:42:14.160 --> 0:42:18.040
<v Speaker 4>into well into the night. But that the idea of

0:42:18.520 --> 0:42:23.160
<v Speaker 4>signing online seeing her also then sign on and then

0:42:23.440 --> 0:42:27.440
<v Speaker 4>have her I am you, it's your heart is like

0:42:27.840 --> 0:42:32.759
<v Speaker 4>soaring through your ribs. I cannot overstress the extremes that

0:42:32.880 --> 0:42:33.960
<v Speaker 4>that feeling gave me.

0:42:34.200 --> 0:42:35.840
<v Speaker 3>I could do this for a half hour. Yes, the

0:42:35.880 --> 0:42:40.960
<v Speaker 3>stories about that, I can say that the most satisfaction

0:42:41.080 --> 0:42:43.360
<v Speaker 3>I've ever felt about anything I've ever written.

0:42:43.480 --> 0:42:46.120
<v Speaker 2>Whoa, whoa, Yeah, no, this is totally true.

0:42:46.320 --> 0:42:49.839
<v Speaker 3>Is that like I put some like pithy emo ish

0:42:49.960 --> 0:42:54.840
<v Speaker 3>thing in my ame profile and my crush took it

0:42:55.320 --> 0:42:57.920
<v Speaker 3>and put it in her profilesble quoted me.

0:42:58.360 --> 0:43:00.920
<v Speaker 4>Was I saw that with attribute? Yes, it was like

0:43:01.440 --> 0:43:04.000
<v Speaker 4>Bill Barnwell, so it was like you miss all the

0:43:04.040 --> 0:43:08.480
<v Speaker 4>shots you can't take, Wayne Gretzky, Bill barn But.

0:43:08.560 --> 0:43:10.040
<v Speaker 3>But this was not I was not quitting a band.

0:43:10.120 --> 0:43:11.200
<v Speaker 2>I write myself.

0:43:11.320 --> 0:43:13.560
<v Speaker 5>So it was like that was the So was it

0:43:13.680 --> 0:43:15.520
<v Speaker 5>something like poetic and deep that you.

0:43:16.120 --> 0:43:17.600
<v Speaker 3>Like eighteen year old me?

0:43:17.760 --> 0:43:18.120
<v Speaker 1>Of course?

0:43:18.239 --> 0:43:20.000
<v Speaker 3>But sure that was I think.

0:43:20.040 --> 0:43:22.880
<v Speaker 5>There is no bigger and better feeling.

0:43:23.200 --> 0:43:27.760
<v Speaker 4>No, it was incredible that like the affirmation on aim

0:43:28.120 --> 0:43:31.680
<v Speaker 4>through chatting through a way messaging through Oh this is

0:43:31.719 --> 0:43:34.800
<v Speaker 4>my screen name. You should we should chat online whatever

0:43:35.480 --> 0:43:39.120
<v Speaker 4>that is. I don't know if it's like just fake

0:43:39.280 --> 0:43:42.920
<v Speaker 4>endorphins send like screwing your brain up, But that to

0:43:43.040 --> 0:43:45.280
<v Speaker 4>me is like if I'm thinking of one like lasting

0:43:45.320 --> 0:43:48.640
<v Speaker 4>emotion from like the high school digital experience, it is that.

0:43:48.719 --> 0:43:49.919
<v Speaker 5>And I don't know that there's a second place.

0:43:50.000 --> 0:43:52.239
<v Speaker 3>So I mean like not only in high school, but

0:43:52.280 --> 0:43:54.279
<v Speaker 3>that in college there was that thing for sure. Like

0:43:54.360 --> 0:43:56.600
<v Speaker 3>I remember there'd be like a Friday night where I wouldn't.

0:43:56.239 --> 0:43:58.080
<v Speaker 2>Go out, and I'd be like, oh, I'm a loser.

0:43:58.120 --> 0:44:00.560
<v Speaker 3>I'm not going out, and like I would didn't touch

0:44:00.719 --> 0:44:03.640
<v Speaker 3>AIM because I wouldn't want my name to go from

0:44:03.680 --> 0:44:04.160
<v Speaker 3>grade out.

0:44:04.200 --> 0:44:06.320
<v Speaker 2>You don't want to be actor on Friday, so black

0:44:06.400 --> 0:44:07.359
<v Speaker 2>to act in course.

0:44:07.520 --> 0:44:09.520
<v Speaker 3>But then of course, if I saw that the girl

0:44:09.560 --> 0:44:11.960
<v Speaker 3>I liked was signing on, then suddenly I'm like I'm back, baby,

0:44:12.000 --> 0:44:15.360
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, let's talk. And I remember my friend on

0:44:15.400 --> 0:44:18.279
<v Speaker 3>the other hand, who developed several AIM hacking things and

0:44:18.360 --> 0:44:20.640
<v Speaker 3>warning who we can get to as well. He started

0:44:20.680 --> 0:44:23.759
<v Speaker 3>talking to this girl at school online, and the way

0:44:23.840 --> 0:44:25.800
<v Speaker 3>that she showed him that she liked him was that

0:44:25.880 --> 0:44:27.680
<v Speaker 3>when he put in this way message and went to sleep.

0:44:28.120 --> 0:44:30.200
<v Speaker 3>When he came back, she had sent him no fewer

0:44:30.600 --> 0:44:33.800
<v Speaker 3>than seven hundred and forty messages. Who because the coundo

0:44:33.880 --> 0:44:35.920
<v Speaker 3>showed up on your on your yest, which was like

0:44:36.000 --> 0:44:37.480
<v Speaker 3>not only just like you don't have your way message,

0:44:37.640 --> 0:44:39.759
<v Speaker 3>ndeath it to be like this person two messages, this

0:44:39.840 --> 0:44:41.920
<v Speaker 3>person three messages, yes, and so like that would be

0:44:41.920 --> 0:44:43.160
<v Speaker 3>the first thing you would see when you'd wake up

0:44:43.160 --> 0:44:44.320
<v Speaker 3>would be like, who's that any messages?

0:44:44.320 --> 0:44:48.240
<v Speaker 2>How many of a cent and seven hundreds that's numerous messages.

0:44:48.280 --> 0:44:49.840
<v Speaker 3>You're not going to believe this. That relationship did not

0:44:49.960 --> 0:44:52.480
<v Speaker 3>work out. Wow, it was not a sustainable pace.

0:44:52.520 --> 0:44:54.200
<v Speaker 2>It seems so good together too, Yeah, I know.

0:44:54.320 --> 0:44:55.920
<v Speaker 4>She really seemed like what were.

0:44:55.840 --> 0:44:59.839
<v Speaker 2>Your strategies for away messages? Because you know there were

0:45:00.160 --> 0:45:03.600
<v Speaker 2>the most obvious was of course like lyric the song

0:45:03.719 --> 0:45:06.319
<v Speaker 2>lyrics or something to you, But then there were other

0:45:06.440 --> 0:45:10.120
<v Speaker 2>quotables that you could pull from Michael Jordan, Wayne Gretzky

0:45:10.200 --> 0:45:10.520
<v Speaker 2>or whoever.

0:45:10.800 --> 0:45:14.319
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well you could actually like write where you were,

0:45:14.880 --> 0:45:18.040
<v Speaker 4>You're like I'm going out with my parents, like hit me,

0:45:18.160 --> 0:45:20.480
<v Speaker 4>hit the cell, hit the cell, which, of course if

0:45:20.520 --> 0:45:22.919
<v Speaker 4>you had a cell in like nineteen ninety nine after

0:45:23.000 --> 0:45:26.480
<v Speaker 4>you come out. But no, if it would be like, oh,

0:45:26.520 --> 0:45:29.560
<v Speaker 4>give me a call on this line, or send me

0:45:29.560 --> 0:45:32.640
<v Speaker 4>an email here, or leave where, leave where you guys

0:45:32.640 --> 0:45:35.800
<v Speaker 4>are going to get burgers or whatever. That's that's the

0:45:36.160 --> 0:45:37.640
<v Speaker 4>more innocent of the away.

0:45:37.440 --> 0:45:39.560
<v Speaker 2>Message, because I bring that up because you guys are

0:45:39.600 --> 0:45:41.920
<v Speaker 2>talking about strategies, you know, the the heart beating out

0:45:41.960 --> 0:45:44.640
<v Speaker 2>of the chest. I'm getting worked up just thinking about it.

0:45:44.680 --> 0:45:46.920
<v Speaker 2>I can see, go get some water for yourself. But

0:45:47.040 --> 0:45:49.799
<v Speaker 2>there was also the strategy of like I'm just gonna

0:45:49.800 --> 0:45:52.040
<v Speaker 2>play cool. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna put up the away

0:45:52.120 --> 0:45:56.120
<v Speaker 2>message that's meaningful to me and maybe maybe somewhere out

0:45:56.120 --> 0:45:57.520
<v Speaker 2>there meaningful to someone else too.

0:45:58.000 --> 0:45:58.640
<v Speaker 4>I would say no.

0:45:58.840 --> 0:46:00.520
<v Speaker 2>So then it turns into a bit of a phishing

0:46:00.560 --> 0:46:03.720
<v Speaker 2>exercise where it's like, maybe if I get the message

0:46:04.280 --> 0:46:09.160
<v Speaker 2>to this hook, you know, maybe may we're talking about

0:46:09.160 --> 0:46:11.839
<v Speaker 2>your friends in high school time so many.

0:46:12.040 --> 0:46:13.960
<v Speaker 3>But then there's the other side, which just of course

0:46:14.000 --> 0:46:16.600
<v Speaker 3>the original subweet, which was the I'm going to leave

0:46:16.640 --> 0:46:20.160
<v Speaker 3>this vaguely oh my message. Yes, I'm not going to

0:46:20.200 --> 0:46:22.200
<v Speaker 3>point out who it's for what it is, but they

0:46:22.320 --> 0:46:23.080
<v Speaker 3>know what it means.

0:46:23.280 --> 0:46:27.640
<v Speaker 4>I think basically you could tell my emotional states ups

0:46:27.680 --> 0:46:32.120
<v Speaker 4>and downs essentially ninety one percent. If you just looked

0:46:32.160 --> 0:46:36.600
<v Speaker 4>at my away message from nineteen ninety nine through like

0:46:36.840 --> 0:46:39.319
<v Speaker 4>two thousand and two, of course, absolutely, and it would

0:46:39.360 --> 0:46:44.040
<v Speaker 4>be like happy weird quotes from emo bands when things

0:46:44.080 --> 0:46:46.719
<v Speaker 4>were good, and it would just be down, down, down,

0:46:47.280 --> 0:46:48.399
<v Speaker 4>what's wrong with Dan?

0:46:49.040 --> 0:46:49.880
<v Speaker 5>When things were going to.

0:46:49.960 --> 0:46:50.879
<v Speaker 2>Going super well.

0:46:51.360 --> 0:46:53.279
<v Speaker 4>You could fully gauge if you really want to know

0:46:53.320 --> 0:46:55.080
<v Speaker 4>where my head was at. You didn't have to think

0:46:55.120 --> 0:46:56.720
<v Speaker 4>any harder than looking at my away message.

0:46:56.760 --> 0:46:59.319
<v Speaker 3>So you listed those three different kinds of away messages. Yeah,

0:47:00.560 --> 0:47:02.440
<v Speaker 3>when I first got to college and I could use

0:47:02.520 --> 0:47:05.840
<v Speaker 3>AIM every day for the first time, really, one of

0:47:05.920 --> 0:47:08.359
<v Speaker 3>the things that I found really exciting was I could

0:47:08.440 --> 0:47:10.120
<v Speaker 3>just do all those things in my own message. So

0:47:10.120 --> 0:47:13.040
<v Speaker 3>I would have like Emo song lyrics, I'd have like

0:47:13.560 --> 0:47:15.120
<v Speaker 3>update on what's going on in my life, and.

0:47:15.280 --> 0:47:17.680
<v Speaker 2>I like this is where I am right now.

0:47:17.800 --> 0:47:19.879
<v Speaker 4>You blogged your away message pretty.

0:47:19.640 --> 0:47:21.680
<v Speaker 3>Much, Yeah, so like other people had like one line,

0:47:21.760 --> 0:47:24.839
<v Speaker 3>mine was like three paragraphs. I don't remember that being

0:47:24.880 --> 0:47:26.400
<v Speaker 3>a huge limit on what you could do, so it

0:47:26.520 --> 0:47:28.960
<v Speaker 3>was kind of ridiculous, maybe not appropriate.

0:47:29.120 --> 0:47:34.080
<v Speaker 2>I remember aol AIM member profiles because early blog all

0:47:34.120 --> 0:47:36.520
<v Speaker 2>there was the AOL profile, which was like a ton

0:47:36.680 --> 0:47:39.239
<v Speaker 2>of real estate. There's a lot differ pitch. Yeah, But

0:47:39.360 --> 0:47:42.640
<v Speaker 2>then the aim profile as well. You could sort of

0:47:42.760 --> 0:47:45.120
<v Speaker 2>like expand upon your world to a little bit there

0:47:45.640 --> 0:47:48.879
<v Speaker 2>and put yourself out in a more visible way.

0:47:49.000 --> 0:47:51.960
<v Speaker 3>You could put your important emo poetry in your email poetry.

0:47:52.800 --> 0:47:53.520
<v Speaker 5>Did you ever have?

0:47:53.719 --> 0:47:55.840
<v Speaker 4>And I wrote this down in our notes and I didn't,

0:47:56.000 --> 0:47:58.440
<v Speaker 4>but I knew somebody who did. That sounds like it's made,

0:47:58.440 --> 0:47:59.919
<v Speaker 4>but I trust me, it is not me. I would

0:48:00.040 --> 0:48:03.279
<v Speaker 4>I have a friend. So the only idea of an

0:48:03.320 --> 0:48:08.600
<v Speaker 4>online girlfriend, boy, this is like the pre lineykukua.

0:48:08.760 --> 0:48:09.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm not talking about catfishing.

0:48:10.000 --> 0:48:12.439
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, actually, just like, oh, this is a person

0:48:12.520 --> 0:48:15.200
<v Speaker 4>I met online and we've never met in person. We

0:48:15.280 --> 0:48:18.200
<v Speaker 4>don't necessarily have an intention to, but it's just somebody

0:48:18.400 --> 0:48:19.480
<v Speaker 4>I like talking to.

0:48:22.080 --> 0:48:25.200
<v Speaker 2>When you're running a website for your high school baseball team,

0:48:25.360 --> 0:48:27.440
<v Speaker 2>you don't have tax You just don't have time for

0:48:27.520 --> 0:48:28.440
<v Speaker 2>an internet girlfriends.

0:48:29.360 --> 0:48:34.480
<v Speaker 4>Good buddy of mine in high school I ran Dubinstein

0:48:35.280 --> 0:48:38.720
<v Speaker 4>Don Roberts. No good friend of mine in high school

0:48:38.800 --> 0:48:42.600
<v Speaker 4>did and told me about her, and I remember talking

0:48:42.719 --> 0:48:45.839
<v Speaker 4>to what I presume but cannot guarantee was a girl

0:48:45.920 --> 0:48:48.560
<v Speaker 4>my own age, and I remember like having a conversation

0:48:48.640 --> 0:48:50.440
<v Speaker 4>with her and like it would get like personal, just

0:48:50.480 --> 0:48:52.800
<v Speaker 4>like asking about each other's lives, but it was it

0:48:52.920 --> 0:48:57.400
<v Speaker 4>never got to any sort of like actual relationship wearing.

0:48:57.800 --> 0:48:59.800
<v Speaker 5>It never no, it was. It was never creepy.

0:49:00.600 --> 0:49:04.080
<v Speaker 4>And at this point I would tell you, because I married,

0:49:04.200 --> 0:49:06.400
<v Speaker 4>my wife is not divorcing me because of this shout

0:49:06.400 --> 0:49:09.640
<v Speaker 4>out Jody with an eye. But I remember talking to

0:49:09.680 --> 0:49:11.160
<v Speaker 4>somebody like that. I was like, Oh, it's very easy

0:49:11.239 --> 0:49:16.120
<v Speaker 4>to meet these supposed new people. But he, this buddy

0:49:16.120 --> 0:49:18.839
<v Speaker 4>of mine, had what he considered to be like more

0:49:18.920 --> 0:49:21.840
<v Speaker 4>than just like a chat buddy, and they made plans

0:49:21.960 --> 0:49:25.680
<v Speaker 4>to meet in person, and they like they planned to

0:49:26.000 --> 0:49:28.480
<v Speaker 4>like she was she, I have no idea. It was

0:49:28.520 --> 0:49:32.000
<v Speaker 4>going to be in La And my buddy was like

0:49:32.160 --> 0:49:35.400
<v Speaker 4>fifteen sixteen something like that, and she was gonna be

0:49:35.400 --> 0:49:37.479
<v Speaker 4>in like Long Beach, which is nowhere near where we lived.

0:49:38.400 --> 0:49:40.080
<v Speaker 4>And she was like, Oh, I think we're going to

0:49:40.280 --> 0:49:42.839
<v Speaker 4>like the Long Beach Aquarium or something like that. Why

0:49:42.840 --> 0:49:45.120
<v Speaker 4>don't we meet in front of the aquarium. And my

0:49:45.280 --> 0:49:49.000
<v Speaker 4>buddy had to convince his parents to drive him like

0:49:49.120 --> 0:49:53.680
<v Speaker 4>an hour away, so he could meet his online girlfriends.

0:49:54.400 --> 0:49:59.200
<v Speaker 4>She never showed no, because of course she didn't, but like.

0:50:00.719 --> 0:50:02.720
<v Speaker 2>That was a thing where like when he was telling

0:50:02.760 --> 0:50:05.279
<v Speaker 2>me this, I was like, I don't know fully how

0:50:05.320 --> 0:50:06.160
<v Speaker 2>the internet works.

0:50:06.280 --> 0:50:08.440
<v Speaker 4>This sounds like it could be a thing. I don't know.

0:50:08.840 --> 0:50:12.160
<v Speaker 4>I'm a very stupid fifteen or sixteen year old. And

0:50:12.239 --> 0:50:14.560
<v Speaker 4>then when he told me she didn't shaw, I was like, yeah, well.

0:50:14.440 --> 0:50:15.160
<v Speaker 5>Those are the breaks.

0:50:15.239 --> 0:50:16.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, chicks, man.

0:50:18.520 --> 0:50:21.360
<v Speaker 4>But yes, that was that was a thing that happened

0:50:21.480 --> 0:50:23.919
<v Speaker 4>to him, And that was like, looking back, like that's

0:50:23.960 --> 0:50:24.919
<v Speaker 4>super e f and weird.

0:50:25.160 --> 0:50:25.719
<v Speaker 2>Of course it is.

0:50:25.840 --> 0:50:27.800
<v Speaker 4>But when you're that age and the internet is, you know,

0:50:27.880 --> 0:50:30.000
<v Speaker 4>it's nineteen ninety nine, the AOL has been around for

0:50:30.120 --> 0:50:33.160
<v Speaker 4>six years, five years, whatever, you have no idea what

0:50:33.440 --> 0:50:35.720
<v Speaker 4>like protocol is with meeting people online.

0:50:35.800 --> 0:50:38.640
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I mean like my friend was when we were eighteen,

0:50:38.680 --> 0:50:40.880
<v Speaker 3>and this is not this is not me honestly my

0:50:40.960 --> 0:50:44.840
<v Speaker 3>friend I was there, but like he started talking to

0:50:44.920 --> 0:50:47.279
<v Speaker 3>this girl on like a nine inch nails message board. Yeah,

0:50:47.560 --> 0:50:50.040
<v Speaker 3>and then like we were there talking and he's talking

0:50:50.040 --> 0:50:51.319
<v Speaker 3>to her a bunch and I'm like, okay, guess I'll

0:50:51.360 --> 0:50:53.640
<v Speaker 3>just go play middle gear salad while you talked to this.

0:50:53.719 --> 0:50:55.640
<v Speaker 2>Guy wake three.

0:50:55.800 --> 0:50:58.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this all checks out, and then you know, a

0:50:58.280 --> 0:51:00.160
<v Speaker 3>few hours passed and it's like midnight and like so

0:51:00.280 --> 0:51:01.440
<v Speaker 3>much probably like I didn't have a car and he

0:51:01.440 --> 0:51:02.880
<v Speaker 3>had a car, and he's like, probably go home, and

0:51:02.960 --> 0:51:04.240
<v Speaker 3>he's like, I'm gonna.

0:51:04.000 --> 0:51:05.120
<v Speaker 2>Go meet this girl in New Jersey.

0:51:05.960 --> 0:51:07.839
<v Speaker 5>And this is not close to New Jersey.

0:51:08.080 --> 0:51:09.560
<v Speaker 3>This is like Long Island. This is like it's a

0:51:09.640 --> 0:51:12.279
<v Speaker 3>two hour drive and you your parents are home, like

0:51:12.360 --> 0:51:14.240
<v Speaker 3>you have to kind of get out without your parents.

0:51:14.920 --> 0:51:16.520
<v Speaker 3>And so he drove to New Jersey and hung out

0:51:16.560 --> 0:51:17.239
<v Speaker 3>with this girl all night.

0:51:17.360 --> 0:51:18.640
<v Speaker 5>So I mean she was real.

0:51:19.040 --> 0:51:20.560
<v Speaker 3>She was as far as I know, unless he's been

0:51:20.600 --> 0:51:22.279
<v Speaker 3>lying about it ever since, which is not I don't think.

0:51:22.360 --> 0:51:27.040
<v Speaker 2>No, it's not at all. If I were, It's two hours.

0:51:27.080 --> 0:51:28.920
<v Speaker 3>He got to the Vistlambardi rest stop and then called

0:51:28.960 --> 0:51:31.360
<v Speaker 3>in a night and it's Nathan's while this girl did

0:51:31.440 --> 0:51:33.200
<v Speaker 3>not respond, but I guess they met up and like

0:51:33.280 --> 0:51:37.520
<v Speaker 3>that that was impossible to believe could happen.

0:51:38.719 --> 0:51:42.560
<v Speaker 2>Did any of you guys dabble in the AOL chat rooms?

0:51:42.640 --> 0:51:42.960
<v Speaker 4>Of course?

0:51:43.239 --> 0:51:45.920
<v Speaker 3>Online hosting me were good friends. I was rolling dice.

0:51:46.400 --> 0:51:48.279
<v Speaker 3>I was rolling dice in the AOL chatrooms all the

0:51:48.280 --> 0:51:49.680
<v Speaker 3>time I was part of. I'm sure it was a

0:51:50.160 --> 0:51:52.160
<v Speaker 3>It must have been like an e wrestling fed where

0:51:52.200 --> 0:51:53.920
<v Speaker 3>you like roll dice. In term of what happened with

0:51:53.960 --> 0:51:56.880
<v Speaker 3>the moves, I would guess wow, I would wow. I

0:51:56.920 --> 0:51:59.279
<v Speaker 3>don't remember the specifics, but that does sound like something

0:51:59.320 --> 0:51:59.960
<v Speaker 3>I did in the past.

0:52:00.040 --> 0:52:04.120
<v Speaker 2>The AOL chat rooms were like really wild wild less.

0:52:04.520 --> 0:52:06.520
<v Speaker 2>It was. It was the early Twitter.

0:52:06.719 --> 0:52:10.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, is what it amount. You'd hop in and

0:52:10.360 --> 0:52:13.000
<v Speaker 3>then people would be like press nine if you like

0:52:13.080 --> 0:52:18.280
<v Speaker 3>boys to Men, and it's like, okay, well we're chatting.

0:52:18.360 --> 0:52:18.879
<v Speaker 2>This is great.

0:52:19.200 --> 0:52:20.640
<v Speaker 5>God, that would be such a good memoir.

0:52:20.760 --> 0:52:22.880
<v Speaker 4>Name press nine if you like boys to men for

0:52:23.000 --> 0:52:25.000
<v Speaker 4>the nineties episode, maybe that's the name of our episode.

0:52:25.320 --> 0:52:27.759
<v Speaker 4>And it doesn't make any sense if you're scrolling you

0:52:27.800 --> 0:52:29.600
<v Speaker 4>see PAC twelve preview, acc.

0:52:29.680 --> 0:52:30.640
<v Speaker 3>I think just call it nine.

0:52:32.760 --> 0:52:36.520
<v Speaker 2>So what what did you guys do on the internet

0:52:36.640 --> 0:52:39.359
<v Speaker 2>beyond chatting with friends? So I'm not trying to take

0:52:39.400 --> 0:52:42.759
<v Speaker 2>this to an affairs, but seriously, what what did you do?

0:52:42.960 --> 0:52:46.080
<v Speaker 2>Because as we got older, you get to college, you

0:52:46.120 --> 0:52:47.880
<v Speaker 2>get a faster internet connection. All of a sudden, you

0:52:47.920 --> 0:52:50.160
<v Speaker 2>can play games a little bit more easily online. Not

0:52:50.239 --> 0:52:53.719
<v Speaker 2>that you couldn't before, but now you've got faster, you've

0:52:53.719 --> 0:52:57.080
<v Speaker 2>got the inction, you know, quake three, quake whatever.

0:52:57.360 --> 0:52:59.399
<v Speaker 5>Online a lot of high school counter strike for this guy.

0:52:59.600 --> 0:53:01.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, there's there's a lot that you can

0:53:01.440 --> 0:53:04.120
<v Speaker 2>play all of a sudden, But when you're not playing games,

0:53:04.320 --> 0:53:07.640
<v Speaker 2>when you're not chatting with friends, it's sort of like

0:53:07.760 --> 0:53:08.400
<v Speaker 2>a new place.

0:53:08.640 --> 0:53:09.560
<v Speaker 5>Oh, there's a lot of sports.

0:53:09.640 --> 0:53:12.080
<v Speaker 4>What are you doing. I was reading a lot of sports,

0:53:12.320 --> 0:53:15.920
<v Speaker 4>playing fantasy sports, especially when it like moved online in

0:53:16.000 --> 0:53:21.520
<v Speaker 4>a yeah, oh yahoo, Yeah, when was Kurt You would

0:53:21.600 --> 0:53:23.320
<v Speaker 4>know this because football is what you do. When was

0:53:23.400 --> 0:53:25.680
<v Speaker 4>Kurt Warner's first year with the Rams where he exploded?

0:53:25.719 --> 0:53:29.279
<v Speaker 4>After it was ninety nine? I was the first year

0:53:29.280 --> 0:53:32.279
<v Speaker 4>I played fantasy football, and you had Kurt Warner after

0:53:32.400 --> 0:53:34.400
<v Speaker 4>week one when he threw for a Bajillian passes. I

0:53:34.640 --> 0:53:37.000
<v Speaker 4>had Kurt Warner and like Isaac Burgs and I just

0:53:37.320 --> 0:53:40.800
<v Speaker 4>ran things. My fantasy sports story is I went to

0:53:40.960 --> 0:53:43.120
<v Speaker 4>a couple of years. I went to like a camp

0:53:43.239 --> 0:53:46.800
<v Speaker 4>or an academy whatever at Stanford for tennis, not academics police,

0:53:48.440 --> 0:53:50.640
<v Speaker 4>and it was you know, there was there boys, there

0:53:50.680 --> 0:53:55.160
<v Speaker 4>were girls, whatever. Everybody's fourteen fifteen hormones are raging. Whatever

0:53:55.320 --> 0:53:57.760
<v Speaker 4>of course it is going now, this is totally grated.

0:53:57.960 --> 0:54:01.319
<v Speaker 4>But I remember specifically, I was like hitting it off

0:54:01.360 --> 0:54:03.600
<v Speaker 4>with the girl. We're like fifteen years old and we're

0:54:03.600 --> 0:54:06.279
<v Speaker 4>all staying in dorms. This is total Again, Bill's covering

0:54:06.320 --> 0:54:08.120
<v Speaker 4>his face because he thinks I'm going to a disgust.

0:54:08.239 --> 0:54:08.839
<v Speaker 5>I'm not at all.

0:54:09.440 --> 0:54:12.840
<v Speaker 4>And like we would hang out, and the more we

0:54:12.920 --> 0:54:15.800
<v Speaker 4>would hang out, the more I got antsy about not

0:54:16.000 --> 0:54:16.920
<v Speaker 4>knowing what was going on with.

0:54:17.000 --> 0:54:17.880
<v Speaker 2>My fantasy.

0:54:19.239 --> 0:54:21.680
<v Speaker 4>And mind you, this is Stanford. Even though it's Stanford,

0:54:21.719 --> 0:54:24.440
<v Speaker 4>this is nineteen ninety eight or so, there's not we

0:54:24.520 --> 0:54:28.240
<v Speaker 4>don't have nobody brought laptops and there's no obviously iPads, iPhones,

0:54:28.320 --> 0:54:32.080
<v Speaker 4>nothing like that. And there's only one place to check

0:54:32.160 --> 0:54:37.360
<v Speaker 4>my fantasy team, and that's the Stanford Bookstore, because like

0:54:37.480 --> 0:54:40.480
<v Speaker 4>the downstairs basement had computers that were connected to the

0:54:40.560 --> 0:54:44.200
<v Speaker 4>Internet at like a pretty fast rate. And I remember specifically,

0:54:44.360 --> 0:54:46.400
<v Speaker 4>like near the end of this week, because it's a

0:54:46.440 --> 0:54:49.640
<v Speaker 4>week long like sleepaway camp, this tennis camp. She wanted

0:54:49.680 --> 0:54:52.759
<v Speaker 4>to hang out and I don't even think we had

0:54:52.880 --> 0:54:55.280
<v Speaker 4>kissed or anything like that. We was just like hearts

0:54:55.360 --> 0:54:59.160
<v Speaker 4>beating kind of thing, and I was like, I really

0:54:59.440 --> 0:55:01.399
<v Speaker 4>I had this like fork in the road moment where

0:55:01.440 --> 0:55:03.640
<v Speaker 4>I hang out with this pretty girl as like a

0:55:03.680 --> 0:55:06.719
<v Speaker 4>fourteen or fifteen year old or check to see, like

0:55:06.800 --> 0:55:11.760
<v Speaker 4>what Bernie Williams did for my nineteen ninety eight ESPN

0:55:11.840 --> 0:55:15.400
<v Speaker 4>remember baseball challenge, Sure, a salary cap league. Sure, So

0:55:15.840 --> 0:55:18.160
<v Speaker 4>that's something you had to update that. This isn't like

0:55:18.280 --> 0:55:20.120
<v Speaker 4>you drafted a team in the spring and this is

0:55:20.239 --> 0:55:23.880
<v Speaker 4>you're making moves. It's a weekly update. So like Bernie Williams,

0:55:23.920 --> 0:55:25.680
<v Speaker 4>if he goes off that week, his price is gonna

0:55:25.680 --> 0:55:27.040
<v Speaker 4>be more expensive and not being able to keep him

0:55:27.120 --> 0:55:29.840
<v Speaker 4>or something like that. And at a certain point, I

0:55:29.960 --> 0:55:31.800
<v Speaker 4>was just like, baby, I gotta go.

0:55:33.680 --> 0:55:34.960
<v Speaker 2>This brings up three different story.

0:55:35.000 --> 0:55:39.160
<v Speaker 3>Bobby Lopez is going off, Jeff Blauser is having a.

0:55:39.200 --> 0:55:41.440
<v Speaker 5>Great yea baby baby, baby, baby baby.

0:55:41.760 --> 0:55:43.480
<v Speaker 2>This makes up three different So that lets you know

0:55:43.560 --> 0:55:45.000
<v Speaker 2>how my creepiness level.

0:55:45.080 --> 0:55:48.360
<v Speaker 3>Okay, as like a fourteen years old clarifying, yeah, fourteen

0:55:48.440 --> 0:55:50.680
<v Speaker 3>year old me as a nineteen year old in college,

0:55:50.800 --> 0:55:53.680
<v Speaker 3>stop talking, like ended a conversation with a very attractive

0:55:53.680 --> 0:55:55.920
<v Speaker 3>girl I would like to be friends with because I

0:55:56.000 --> 0:55:58.040
<v Speaker 3>wanted to go home and read the Bill Simmons column,

0:55:58.040 --> 0:55:59.920
<v Speaker 3>which I know going up at any particular time at

0:56:00.000 --> 0:56:03.360
<v Speaker 3>particular what year is this? This is two thousand and two. Okay,

0:56:03.760 --> 0:56:05.759
<v Speaker 3>So like I knew, Tuesday four pm. I got to

0:56:05.800 --> 0:56:08.080
<v Speaker 3>get there see you later. Very nice lady was talking

0:56:08.120 --> 0:56:10.200
<v Speaker 3>to me. I'm going to go read this sports thing

0:56:10.239 --> 0:56:11.759
<v Speaker 3>now worked that well in the long run for me,

0:56:11.840 --> 0:56:12.719
<v Speaker 3>I suppose it did.

0:56:13.440 --> 0:56:13.919
<v Speaker 2>Number two.

0:56:14.640 --> 0:56:17.080
<v Speaker 3>I remember going to Disney when I was a junior

0:56:17.160 --> 0:56:20.560
<v Speaker 3>in high school and going to like the five dollars

0:56:21.080 --> 0:56:23.640
<v Speaker 3>for ten minutes internet thing in Disney to check out

0:56:23.680 --> 0:56:26.160
<v Speaker 3>a pro wrestling newsport to see what happened in ECW

0:56:26.440 --> 0:56:26.839
<v Speaker 3>that week.

0:56:27.000 --> 0:56:27.840
<v Speaker 2>So has that happened?

0:56:28.520 --> 0:56:30.440
<v Speaker 3>My big thing was I played that football game front

0:56:30.440 --> 0:56:33.480
<v Speaker 3>PA Sports Football Pro, and you would like exchange playbooks

0:56:33.480 --> 0:56:35.160
<v Speaker 3>every week. You would exchange games every week. And so

0:56:35.280 --> 0:56:37.320
<v Speaker 3>there was one week where I was in the finals

0:56:37.360 --> 0:56:39.120
<v Speaker 3>of a league for the first time. I was playing

0:56:39.120 --> 0:56:40.480
<v Speaker 3>this guy and you could see what they plays there

0:56:40.640 --> 0:56:42.440
<v Speaker 3>week before, and you could do custom plays. You could

0:56:42.560 --> 0:56:44.520
<v Speaker 3>take plays from the game. And this guy had a

0:56:45.120 --> 0:56:47.080
<v Speaker 3>punt block play that blocked like three punts in the

0:56:47.120 --> 0:56:50.200
<v Speaker 3>previous game. How do I beat this guy? And I

0:56:50.360 --> 0:56:53.480
<v Speaker 3>realized if I just run a fake punt every time.

0:56:54.040 --> 0:56:54.920
<v Speaker 3>They can't cover it.

0:56:55.160 --> 0:56:57.160
<v Speaker 2>Right, And so there was a guy that's like the

0:56:57.239 --> 0:56:58.319
<v Speaker 2>Joe Montana football thing.

0:56:58.400 --> 0:57:01.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, And so I assumed, well, basically, I'm assuming

0:57:01.560 --> 0:57:03.680
<v Speaker 3>they're gonna run the same fit pump block play this week,

0:57:03.760 --> 0:57:05.799
<v Speaker 3>So why not run the fake punk fake punt every time?

0:57:05.800 --> 0:57:07.360
<v Speaker 3>And I could tell my team. I had to like

0:57:07.440 --> 0:57:08.799
<v Speaker 3>code it in. I could tell my team every time

0:57:08.920 --> 0:57:10.480
<v Speaker 3>run a fake punt, whether it's a once, it's four

0:57:10.560 --> 0:57:12.560
<v Speaker 3>and thirty. And there was this guy who was doing

0:57:12.880 --> 0:57:14.680
<v Speaker 3>a friend of mine who was doing commentary on this

0:57:14.760 --> 0:57:19.400
<v Speaker 3>game on real audio, okay, of course, and so they

0:57:19.480 --> 0:57:22.080
<v Speaker 3>released the real audio file of the game. That's how

0:57:22.120 --> 0:57:24.080
<v Speaker 3>you find out whether you won or lost. And so

0:57:24.680 --> 0:57:27.000
<v Speaker 3>of course every time I got the fourth down, it's like,

0:57:27.120 --> 0:57:27.480
<v Speaker 3>well here it.

0:57:27.480 --> 0:57:28.760
<v Speaker 2>Comes the punt. Oh it's a fake.

0:57:29.120 --> 0:57:30.720
<v Speaker 3>And I won the game like fifty seven to three

0:57:30.720 --> 0:57:32.400
<v Speaker 3>because I ran a fake punt every single time. And

0:57:32.480 --> 0:57:34.120
<v Speaker 3>this guy was so upset. I was like, you can't

0:57:34.200 --> 0:57:35.440
<v Speaker 3>do that, but of course it.

0:57:35.480 --> 0:57:38.240
<v Speaker 4>Was You're what's the word I'm looking for? You're like,

0:57:38.280 --> 0:57:40.000
<v Speaker 4>if you're playing a video game and you were always

0:57:40.080 --> 0:57:42.240
<v Speaker 4>using the same like drilling Street Fighter you were like

0:57:42.320 --> 0:57:43.920
<v Speaker 4>cheap essentially, sure you were.

0:57:44.200 --> 0:57:45.960
<v Speaker 5>Oh my god, I'm trying to in.

0:57:45.960 --> 0:57:49.040
<v Speaker 2>The back of my mind as I'm hearing word what warez.

0:57:50.320 --> 0:57:53.480
<v Speaker 4>As I'm as I'm hearing Bill tell the story about

0:57:53.520 --> 0:57:57.360
<v Speaker 4>programming in fake puns in sports? The only the gears

0:57:57.400 --> 0:57:59.880
<v Speaker 4>that are turning in my brain are basically telling me,

0:58:00.520 --> 0:58:03.360
<v Speaker 4>how do we top this depth of nerdiness next year?

0:58:03.800 --> 0:58:08.240
<v Speaker 4>How do we go deeper into our disgustingly nerdy digital

0:58:08.320 --> 0:58:09.160
<v Speaker 4>souls to top this?

0:58:10.080 --> 0:58:15.080
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, fake punt? May do you have take

0:58:15.120 --> 0:58:15.439
<v Speaker 2>the cake?

0:58:15.520 --> 0:58:18.560
<v Speaker 4>And I think I tried to stress that I was

0:58:18.640 --> 0:58:22.400
<v Speaker 4>keeping the Tennis Academy story pges like you said, g

0:58:22.720 --> 0:58:26.120
<v Speaker 4>G excuse me? Do you have a PG thirteen story

0:58:26.200 --> 0:58:29.080
<v Speaker 4>you'd like to share from out the internet at usage?

0:58:29.160 --> 0:58:29.800
<v Speaker 5>I'm not talking.

0:58:30.160 --> 0:58:32.720
<v Speaker 4>I don't care. Like everybody's looked at poorn, it doesn't matter.

0:58:32.960 --> 0:58:33.480
<v Speaker 5>That's boring.

0:58:33.880 --> 0:58:37.000
<v Speaker 4>But do you have a story involving anything with like

0:58:37.560 --> 0:58:41.480
<v Speaker 4>library accidental? Like is there anything like embarrassing that either

0:58:41.520 --> 0:58:42.959
<v Speaker 4>happened to you or anybody you knew?

0:58:43.120 --> 0:58:44.040
<v Speaker 2>I have a story?

0:58:44.160 --> 0:58:48.120
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so I dude, try to uh groom me on

0:58:48.200 --> 0:58:50.520
<v Speaker 3>the internet and I read about it for broom You yeah,

0:58:50.720 --> 0:58:53.440
<v Speaker 3>like you know, like try like a clearly an adult

0:58:53.560 --> 0:58:57.200
<v Speaker 3>man like found my profile and tried to like come

0:58:57.280 --> 0:58:59.480
<v Speaker 3>on to you. Yeah, okay, and like it was like, hey,

0:58:59.560 --> 0:59:02.640
<v Speaker 3>let's talk on the phone. My grandma was watching me,

0:59:02.680 --> 0:59:06.160
<v Speaker 3>and it's like I don't know, sure, nice. Yeah, And

0:59:06.280 --> 0:59:08.200
<v Speaker 3>so like he called like said some creepy stuff, and

0:59:08.200 --> 0:59:10.200
<v Speaker 3>I honestly did not know what he was talking about,

0:59:10.240 --> 0:59:11.680
<v Speaker 3>and so I kind of was just like I don't.

0:59:11.560 --> 0:59:12.720
<v Speaker 2>Know, like that's weird.

0:59:12.760 --> 0:59:15.560
<v Speaker 3>I wrote about it for this recording, which is an

0:59:15.600 --> 0:59:19.520
<v Speaker 3>intertro website that I worked on with Molly Lambert years

0:59:19.520 --> 0:59:21.240
<v Speaker 3>and years ago, so it's on there the full story.

0:59:21.280 --> 0:59:24.600
<v Speaker 3>It's not super it's a little creepy, but it's not

0:59:24.920 --> 0:59:26.640
<v Speaker 3>I'm not the creepy and I'm like the naive, like

0:59:26.760 --> 0:59:27.800
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what do you want me to do,

0:59:27.960 --> 0:59:29.680
<v Speaker 3>sir in this scenario.

0:59:29.800 --> 0:59:31.400
<v Speaker 2>So he kind of like realized I did not know

0:59:31.440 --> 0:59:32.520
<v Speaker 2>what he was talking about and kind of.

0:59:32.560 --> 0:59:34.720
<v Speaker 3>Like this speared and was like don't tell anybody. But yeah,

0:59:34.880 --> 0:59:38.160
<v Speaker 3>so I was almost the victim of some some real

0:59:38.240 --> 0:59:38.760
<v Speaker 3>creepy stuff.

0:59:38.840 --> 0:59:41.840
<v Speaker 2>Wow, I got nothing. I got nothing like that.

0:59:41.960 --> 0:59:43.640
<v Speaker 4>The only thing that I can point to that is

0:59:43.800 --> 0:59:46.160
<v Speaker 4>I think it just speaks to. It's so specific for

0:59:46.360 --> 0:59:48.480
<v Speaker 4>this time, and I'm going to tell you this is me.

0:59:49.120 --> 0:59:53.040
<v Speaker 3>Yes, sorry, sorry, I forgot I apologize. I remember his

0:59:53.080 --> 0:59:57.000
<v Speaker 3>screen name? Oh really yeah, his screen name was hot Umbros.

1:00:00.920 --> 1:00:07.040
<v Speaker 4>If you were really a comedic mind football, right, I know. No,

1:00:07.240 --> 1:00:09.680
<v Speaker 4>the only like real story that's just like of this time,

1:00:09.760 --> 1:00:12.120
<v Speaker 4>that is just it's super embarrassing, but I'm just gonna

1:00:12.160 --> 1:00:14.360
<v Speaker 4>roll with it because this is of this shows.

1:00:15.080 --> 1:00:16.040
<v Speaker 5>It's a show about honesty.

1:00:16.640 --> 1:00:21.200
<v Speaker 4>Is I remember coming across on AOL or probably in

1:00:21.320 --> 1:00:24.560
<v Speaker 4>a browser that like, oh there are websites with women

1:00:24.640 --> 1:00:29.240
<v Speaker 4>not wearing clothing, and I came across a shot of

1:00:30.960 --> 1:00:33.080
<v Speaker 4>I probably couldn't even remember the name if I thought

1:00:33.120 --> 1:00:35.880
<v Speaker 4>about it, but somebody in Playboy, a playmate of some

1:00:36.080 --> 1:00:40.560
<v Speaker 4>kind human most likely, and I remember coming across its like,

1:00:40.600 --> 1:00:42.640
<v Speaker 4>my friends are never going to believe me that I

1:00:42.760 --> 1:00:45.040
<v Speaker 4>found this, But I'm not going to send it to

1:00:45.080 --> 1:00:47.919
<v Speaker 4>them because then they'll get in trouble. So I don't

1:00:47.920 --> 1:00:49.360
<v Speaker 4>want them to come over. I don't want my computer

1:00:49.440 --> 1:00:52.800
<v Speaker 4>privileges taken away. So I very quickly printed the picture

1:00:54.120 --> 1:00:58.920
<v Speaker 4>as any respectful fourteen year old would do. Printed the picture,

1:00:59.040 --> 1:01:02.200
<v Speaker 4>folded it into like eights, you know, and like put

1:01:02.280 --> 1:01:05.600
<v Speaker 4>it under some sort of not furniture, but like a

1:01:05.920 --> 1:01:08.840
<v Speaker 4>wooden chest or something that was in my room. And

1:01:09.960 --> 1:01:11.600
<v Speaker 4>at some point in the next couple of weeks I

1:01:11.680 --> 1:01:14.760
<v Speaker 4>probably forgot about it, and my mom was in my

1:01:14.960 --> 1:01:18.680
<v Speaker 4>room looking for a book and like move the chest,

1:01:19.040 --> 1:01:23.600
<v Speaker 4>and the folded picture fell from underneath the chest and

1:01:23.760 --> 1:01:26.760
<v Speaker 4>it fell onto the ground, and my mom opened the

1:01:26.800 --> 1:01:30.240
<v Speaker 4>piece of paper with me sitting right there, and it

1:01:30.400 --> 1:01:32.720
<v Speaker 4>was just a black and white print out of a

1:01:32.880 --> 1:01:36.439
<v Speaker 4>playmate that I was that I printed out to show

1:01:36.520 --> 1:01:38.600
<v Speaker 4>my friends how expert I.

1:01:38.800 --> 1:01:39.640
<v Speaker 5>Was at the Internet.

1:01:40.080 --> 1:01:42.360
<v Speaker 4>And my mom looked at the picture and I will

1:01:42.520 --> 1:01:45.479
<v Speaker 4>it is etched into my brain, scarred into my brain,

1:01:46.040 --> 1:01:52.040
<v Speaker 4>something like these look like rice bowls. This is not

1:01:52.200 --> 1:01:55.720
<v Speaker 4>what women look like. And I was like, I need

1:01:55.880 --> 1:02:00.800
<v Speaker 4>to implode onto myself right now, Mom, please leave forever.

1:02:01.920 --> 1:02:05.480
<v Speaker 4>As my mom was discussing fake books with fourteen year

1:02:05.480 --> 1:02:08.000
<v Speaker 4>old Dan, Yeah, I did not point quite like that.

1:02:08.440 --> 1:02:11.520
<v Speaker 3>I can tell an embarrassing ri not not that love

1:02:11.560 --> 1:02:15.920
<v Speaker 3>love embarrassing. But when I was g seventeen or eighteen,

1:02:16.080 --> 1:02:18.840
<v Speaker 3>I was an Emo fan. Obviously I had friends who

1:02:18.880 --> 1:02:20.520
<v Speaker 3>were Emo kids. They were like, hey, you should sign

1:02:20.600 --> 1:02:23.760
<v Speaker 3>up for Makeout Club, which is aren't familiar with. They

1:02:23.800 --> 1:02:26.760
<v Speaker 3>got club. It is a yeah, it is a as

1:02:26.840 --> 1:02:30.480
<v Speaker 3>you can probably figure out a punkin Emo themed. I

1:02:30.520 --> 1:02:33.280
<v Speaker 3>guess online dating slash friend thing like me with friends here,

1:02:33.320 --> 1:02:35.000
<v Speaker 3>it's cool. And so I was back in New York.

1:02:35.000 --> 1:02:37.240
<v Speaker 3>It's just like my first summer. I would have been eighteen,

1:02:37.320 --> 1:02:38.880
<v Speaker 3>my first summer back from college, and so like my

1:02:38.960 --> 1:02:41.000
<v Speaker 3>friends were in Boston, and so I was like, yeah,

1:02:41.000 --> 1:02:43.000
<v Speaker 3>I'll do this whatever. I started talking to this girl.

1:02:43.040 --> 1:02:44.680
<v Speaker 3>I don't think I told the story on the Emo Show,

1:02:44.720 --> 1:02:46.720
<v Speaker 3>but it's Emo Show related. I started talking to this

1:02:46.840 --> 1:02:51.560
<v Speaker 3>girl and she's like, oh, do you like STD And

1:02:51.640 --> 1:02:55.080
<v Speaker 3>I was like, no, that's awful, it's gross. And then

1:02:55.120 --> 1:02:57.200
<v Speaker 3>she was just like you don't and I'm like, what

1:02:57.280 --> 1:03:00.400
<v Speaker 3>are you talking about? And she's like, oh, save this yeah,

1:03:00.480 --> 1:03:02.080
<v Speaker 3>and I was like, oh yeah, I like say this today.

1:03:02.480 --> 1:03:05.440
<v Speaker 3>But then I was so embarrassed that I ended the conversation.

1:03:05.720 --> 1:03:07.000
<v Speaker 2>There's no coming through my account.

1:03:07.160 --> 1:03:08.880
<v Speaker 3>I just also bleeded my account and everyone back on

1:03:08.920 --> 1:03:09.320
<v Speaker 3>the side.

1:03:09.160 --> 1:03:11.480
<v Speaker 5>Again faked your own death. Yeah, that'll makes sense at

1:03:11.480 --> 1:03:11.800
<v Speaker 5>the end of this.

1:03:12.320 --> 1:03:14.040
<v Speaker 2>So one thing that we did not mention not to

1:03:14.120 --> 1:03:20.400
<v Speaker 2>take too hard of a turney AOL forty hour free CDs. Yes,

1:03:21.440 --> 1:03:24.640
<v Speaker 2>the whole idea of CDs is madness in twenty total madness.

1:03:25.200 --> 1:03:27.920
<v Speaker 2>But we can't talk about this era of the internet

1:03:27.960 --> 1:03:30.400
<v Speaker 2>without talking about the forty three hours that you get

1:03:30.400 --> 1:03:34.320
<v Speaker 2>from AOL. Of course, how people would hoard those CDs.

1:03:34.880 --> 1:03:38.040
<v Speaker 2>I had friends who would have eight ten different screen

1:03:38.160 --> 1:03:40.480
<v Speaker 2>names because they were somehow able to acquire that many.

1:03:41.800 --> 1:03:45.240
<v Speaker 2>And you could get on the internet for free for

1:03:45.480 --> 1:03:48.280
<v Speaker 2>an extended period of time just using CDs that were

1:03:48.320 --> 1:03:51.080
<v Speaker 2>sent to you, that were sent to friends that grandparents

1:03:51.160 --> 1:03:55.080
<v Speaker 2>couldn't use anything. Were you a forty hour free CD

1:03:55.320 --> 1:03:55.800
<v Speaker 2>kind of guy?

1:03:56.040 --> 1:03:57.280
<v Speaker 5>At some point? Yeah?

1:03:57.400 --> 1:04:01.760
<v Speaker 4>I use those, I eventually know. But we we had

1:04:01.800 --> 1:04:04.360
<v Speaker 4>an AOL account we you know, I don't know if

1:04:04.400 --> 1:04:06.240
<v Speaker 4>it was unlimited at that point. There's certain number of

1:04:06.240 --> 1:04:07.000
<v Speaker 4>hours you get, I think.

1:04:07.400 --> 1:04:08.520
<v Speaker 3>To the point where it went from being like an

1:04:08.560 --> 1:04:12.440
<v Speaker 3>hourly thing, so you can get this unlimited limited Prodigy Actually,

1:04:12.760 --> 1:04:14.960
<v Speaker 3>remember when we got our first computer, Prodigy gave us

1:04:15.040 --> 1:04:17.160
<v Speaker 3>like a year for free. Like they were like, we

1:04:17.280 --> 1:04:19.160
<v Speaker 3>have this incredibly long period of time.

1:04:19.040 --> 1:04:21.160
<v Speaker 5>Where that zero was always for free.

1:04:21.280 --> 1:04:23.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like you couldn't use it for like, you know

1:04:23.640 --> 1:04:25.360
<v Speaker 3>more than a certain number of hours a week, but

1:04:25.520 --> 1:04:28.480
<v Speaker 3>it was free for like an extended period of time.

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<v Speaker 2>Was anyone to hear on Juno, Yeah, a little bit.

1:04:31.440 --> 1:04:32.120
<v Speaker 5>I dabbled.

1:04:32.200 --> 1:04:34.400
<v Speaker 3>I was aware of Juno, but I never used it.

1:04:34.520 --> 1:04:37.760
<v Speaker 3>Was it also did like aol or Prodigy buy Juno

1:04:37.840 --> 1:04:38.360
<v Speaker 3>at something.

1:04:38.200 --> 1:04:41.200
<v Speaker 2>I think prod I want to say Prodigy bought merged

1:04:41.360 --> 1:04:43.640
<v Speaker 2>something I know somebody did, but I was aware of it.

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<v Speaker 2>It was it was an interesting concept. It wasn't It

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't a bad concept. It was it would dial up,

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<v Speaker 2>pull down your email, disconnect all did just an email service.

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<v Speaker 3>That would dial up get it just kind of like

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<v Speaker 3>Crimson tie like they would just that's right, just trying

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<v Speaker 3>to forget the message.

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<v Speaker 4>And then that was.

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<v Speaker 1>That was all once.

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<v Speaker 4>So earlier today, I asked Twitter, what do you remember

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<v Speaker 4>most fondly about the late nineties Internet?

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<v Speaker 3>And you may it is so different talking about this

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<v Speaker 3>era of my life that I'm so fond of in

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<v Speaker 3>the past. Yeah, and thinking about Twitter now, that is

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<v Speaker 3>this awful thing that's so bad. It just disappeared from

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<v Speaker 3>the Internet. At least this thread of the fans of

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<v Speaker 3>solid verbal are great. Yes, of course, the people who

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<v Speaker 3>are in my mentions.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, they are bad, They're probably bad, but they might

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<v Speaker 4>have some similarly good memories. Yes, so I asked people,

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<v Speaker 4>what do they what do they remember most fondly. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>not going to go through all of these, but stop

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<v Speaker 4>me when any of these jump out to that we

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<v Speaker 4>haven't mentioned. First of all, multi CD installation, please insert

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<v Speaker 4>disc four of seven madness.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember using like playing like hard Ball three for

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<v Speaker 3>the people and having like this like weird like copy protection,

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<v Speaker 3>like go to page seventy three of the manuals sentence

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<v Speaker 3>for a line two or.

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<v Speaker 2>In the middle of a game where you come to

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<v Speaker 2>a critical stage, please insert disc three for sure, you

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<v Speaker 2>know it couldn't all fit on once, one CD, two CDs.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of people mentioning the AOL dial up sound, which,

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<v Speaker 4>by the way, if you weren't supposed to be online,

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<v Speaker 4>would totally blow up your spots to your parents because

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<v Speaker 4>all of a sudden you're like, yeah, I know my

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<v Speaker 4>homework that that was the word, but also kind of great.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of people talking about different games. We have

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<v Speaker 4>a snowd reference in here.

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<v Speaker 3>I would I would play a student like the snude

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<v Speaker 3>characters would haunt me in my sleep. Yeah, they could

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<v Speaker 3>see them.

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<v Speaker 4>You can't play a little bit of snuode. No, a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of bit of snuod. I've got some ASL references, which, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you ever actually ASL someone?

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely? Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I felt like that's what you were

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to do. Yeah, that's why I did it, because

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<v Speaker 2>it just seemed like it was the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It was.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 4>It was a salutation people remembering aspect ratio jump, not

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<v Speaker 4>aspect ratio, but resolution jumps and their monitors very oh.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, I remember going from EGA to VGA.

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<v Speaker 4>Of course, somebody is very so Seth is like going

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<v Speaker 4>from ten twenty four to seven six by seven sixty

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<v Speaker 4>eight after eight hundred by six hundred, big, Just it

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<v Speaker 4>is not Seth Throsenthal. Unfortunately, a lot of Napster references,

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of uh oh, we got dancing baby, Yeah, sure,

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<v Speaker 4>one of the original.

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<v Speaker 2>Flying toaster, Yeah, screensaver.

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<v Speaker 3>What I played yesterday? Was you mentioned the Buddy Holly video.

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<v Speaker 3>I played the Ski game, the Windows Ski game that yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>oh yeah, the Bear that h Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>We've got a couple in Karta references. Yeah, the pre

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, so some of this was a good one.

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<v Speaker 4>Discovering Cliff's Notes like summaries of most books I had

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<v Speaker 4>to read in English. I think it was Baron's Notes

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<v Speaker 4>or pink Monkey something like that I definitely utilized or.

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<v Speaker 3>Pink Monkey like gues are not like two relatively similar things.

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<v Speaker 5>Not at all, but good for pink Monkey for differential.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So we got with some win ampso I s Q references.

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<v Speaker 4>If aim was to mainstream.

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<v Speaker 3>I had a seven digit ICQ number that was, I believe,

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<v Speaker 3>reasonably rare. Okay, I feel like I, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>most people had like an eight eight digit number, Like

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<v Speaker 3>it was like it was an order of when you subscribe,

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<v Speaker 3>when you downloaded it. I'd use it like once every

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<v Speaker 3>year and a half and I'd be like, oh, remember

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<v Speaker 3>all these people. I have an ICQ and then I

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<v Speaker 3>never use it again. I had a Microsoft Messenger as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you guys are.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know if I ever used us that.

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<v Speaker 2>I did.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, let's see just a lot of a lot of CDs.

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<v Speaker 4>This is so great, a lot of modem references. We

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<v Speaker 4>got a couple of under construction gifts. Oh this one

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<v Speaker 4>spoke to me getting the newest versions of Coral draw

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<v Speaker 4>and missed at Costco.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you missed, guys.

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<v Speaker 5>I was not a miss I was. I played a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of triple play baseball.

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<v Speaker 3>Does that to play a lot of hardball? A lot

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<v Speaker 3>of fun paved sports baseball.

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<v Speaker 2>There were some early versions of the n C Double

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<v Speaker 2>a video game series that you could play in the

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<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, yeah, I definitely did that were a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of fun. You could get the controller, the gravest game pad.

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<v Speaker 4>I was knee deep into Gravis and I remember a

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<v Speaker 4>buddy of mine got a cable card his tower Holpite

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<v Speaker 4>I believe, I don't know how that company is pronounced

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<v Speaker 4>Help whatever. It's in New York, and he put in

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<v Speaker 4>a card in his tower and he could watch TV

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<v Speaker 4>on his computer.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. That was That was sort of the white whale

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<v Speaker 2>of the late nineties and early two thousands being able

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<v Speaker 2>to do that.

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<v Speaker 4>He would have one window of aim and another window

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<v Speaker 4>of like Roy Firestone, you know whatever he was watching,

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<v Speaker 4>and it was it was mind blowing. Yeah, I I

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<v Speaker 4>did in college because I saved room my college gateway.

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<v Speaker 2>I got that.

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<v Speaker 4>That was a big deal to me to have that

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<v Speaker 4>TV and computer in one Yeah. Anything else tie that

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<v Speaker 4>strikes you that that's personal to you about whether it's computers,

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<v Speaker 4>you used, it's people you spoke to, any weird emails.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it was. It was just such a

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<v Speaker 2>formative time.

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<v Speaker 4>I got to college and I was on Morpheus, like

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<v Speaker 4>our one, like American Pie two. Please, we're talking hundreds

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<v Speaker 4>of kpps.

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<v Speaker 2>I would like to go back in time and just

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<v Speaker 2>take a good look at like the transaction logs of

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<v Speaker 2>all the weird things I downloaded, basically because I could,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a lot of Limp biscuit on that list.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw a biscuit, baseball jersey, a couple of it

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<v Speaker 2>for you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 5>Gotta haven't.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't downloaded LILYMP biscuit in a while, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>just the ability to connect instantaneously with your closest friends

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<v Speaker 2>was like a huge jump forward. And I'm always kind

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<v Speaker 2>of amazed thinking back how quickly it took hold of

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<v Speaker 2>our generation, because it really did just come on very quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>Before you knew it, everyone had it. It rewired our

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<v Speaker 2>brains totally, sure, in probably a lot of negative ways,

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<v Speaker 2>but also it was like the early foundation for what

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<v Speaker 2>we have now, where we're hyper connected via text message

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<v Speaker 2>in Twitter and all that stuff. But Aim to me

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<v Speaker 2>was like the bedrock of a good five six years

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<v Speaker 2>of my childhood. Well, for sure, it's impossible to imagine

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<v Speaker 2>college without Aim, and it's impossible to imagine what my

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<v Speaker 2>life was like before that, where it was like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>well I have ninety minutes on the computer today, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to have to use that. And I can't google anything.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't you know, I can't connect with people unless

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<v Speaker 2>they send me an email message like pre aim.

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<v Speaker 3>Like it just was not. It's unfathomable.

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<v Speaker 2>One of my lasting and pro I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>go to a dark place with this. But nine to

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<v Speaker 2>eleven happened when you're in college.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it happened two weeks or like two days before.

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<v Speaker 3>I was supposed to go to Capolic. I drove up

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<v Speaker 3>from New York to Boston. Four days after nine to eleven.

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<v Speaker 4>For I drove La to Eugene.

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<v Speaker 2>So this was my sophomore year of college, started my

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<v Speaker 2>sophomore year at college. And my lasting memory of that day,

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<v Speaker 2>aside of everything else is horrible that went on that day,

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<v Speaker 2>was looking on September the eleventh, two thousand and one,

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<v Speaker 2>that night after it all happened, at everyone's away message,

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<v Speaker 2>because the world, the world was glued to the TV right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and everyone had the same kind of a way message up,

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<v Speaker 2>surreal awful, like no one knew what to say, but

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<v Speaker 2>that was their way to say it through AOL. No

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<v Speaker 2>one was I aming because no one, no one was

1:12:32.320 --> 1:12:35.400
<v Speaker 2>interested in that because it was so traumatic. But I

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<v Speaker 2>just remember looking at the list of all my friends,

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<v Speaker 2>however many friends I had on the buddy list at

1:12:40.160 --> 1:12:43.599
<v Speaker 2>the time, everyone having an away message up, and every

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<v Speaker 2>single one of them striking the same tune.

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<v Speaker 4>It was seventeen years ago.

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<v Speaker 5>It's not all a different from Twitter.

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<v Speaker 2>No it's not.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not really hum all that far from away messages.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the actual problem.

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<v Speaker 2>No, of course, but that's my that among many other

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<v Speaker 2>joyful things, that's one thing that is just burned into

1:13:01.520 --> 1:13:04.040
<v Speaker 2>my brain as like, wow, this is this is this

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<v Speaker 2>was this really was a bell curve of an emotional show.

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<v Speaker 2>We're running the gamut here.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me try and take it back to a friendler

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<v Speaker 3>note when it comes to him, let me tell you

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<v Speaker 3>a story about a con but I was I narrowly avoided.

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<v Speaker 4>So there's this notre dame middle lineback. Yeah right, really good, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>super super good. Anyway I start, we gets to talk him.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so I was in college and it was like

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<v Speaker 3>two in the morning, and I was programming stuff for

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<v Speaker 3>my computer science class with my friend and we were

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<v Speaker 3>like hour hungry, let's go to seven eleven. So he

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<v Speaker 3>walked to seven eleven and me see this guy and

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<v Speaker 3>he tells us, Hey, you know, like I'm stuck in

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<v Speaker 3>Boston for the night, Like I'm trying to get back

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<v Speaker 3>to Providence and I have one hundred dollars bill and

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<v Speaker 3>I can't use that to pay for the bus. So

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<v Speaker 3>if you can just go to your ATM, take out

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<v Speaker 3>eighty bucks, which was good about the money for people

1:13:52.800 --> 1:13:55.920
<v Speaker 3>who were in college. Yeah, money, and give me four twenties.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll give you one hundred dollars bill, you get twenty bucks,

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<v Speaker 3>I get to go home. It's a win win, right,

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, there's too many variables in this, Like

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think he's.

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<v Speaker 5>Thought this out too clear, right, Yeah, So you know we'd.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, sorry, buddy, can't help you. Go to seven eleven.

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<v Speaker 3>Get you know, our our pepsi ones and our our

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<v Speaker 3>Mountain Dude code reds and go back and program, go

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<v Speaker 3>to sleep. Wake up at ten am. The first thing

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<v Speaker 3>you do every morning is check everyone's at a way

1:14:17.320 --> 1:14:19.599
<v Speaker 3>mess what's going on? And I checked my my other

1:14:19.720 --> 1:14:22.920
<v Speaker 3>friend Brendan's away message and it says, I can't believe

1:14:22.960 --> 1:14:28.040
<v Speaker 3>I just got conned out of a no and pieced

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<v Speaker 3>it together. He gave the guy, went to the ATM,

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<v Speaker 3>got the eighty bucks. Gave the guy eighty bucks, and

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<v Speaker 3>the guy was like, I'm going to go went into

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<v Speaker 3>my house, like one to my house, got the hundred bucks.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll come my back out.

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<v Speaker 4>And oh so he didn't even I was thinking he

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<v Speaker 4>had like a totally fake hundred dollars bill.

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<v Speaker 3>No, he just was like, I'm gonna go in this house,

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<v Speaker 3>get one hundred dollars bill. I'll be her back out.

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<v Speaker 3>And Brandon waited for like a half hour. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think this guy's coming back out unless oh wow, so

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<v Speaker 3>you could find out about a lot of things on

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<v Speaker 3>am my front. That same guy, uh punched the other

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<v Speaker 3>guy who I was talking about and broke his nose.

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<v Speaker 3>And I came back to a our shared apartment and

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<v Speaker 3>there was blood all over the wall, and I checked

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<v Speaker 3>my friend's away message and he was like, yeah, just

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<v Speaker 3>went to the hospitals. And I was like, oh, that's interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Detective burn Well two and two together the scene. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it was.

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<v Speaker 3>It was the primary mode of communication until people really

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<v Speaker 3>had cell phones.

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<v Speaker 5>I miss it, I do.

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<v Speaker 2>I just sunset it not too well.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think at the end of last year, AOL

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<v Speaker 5>shut it down.

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<v Speaker 2>Man.

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<v Speaker 3>It just like it feels like another universe, and it

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<v Speaker 3>does in a good way in a bad way. Like,

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<v Speaker 3>I do appreciate being able to talk to people I

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<v Speaker 3>care about more frequently and not being emotionally dependent upon

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<v Speaker 3>someone messaging me on AIM when they their icon turns black.

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<v Speaker 3>But I I do think that it was simpler in

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<v Speaker 3>a way that I found.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it one percent made it easier for me to

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<v Speaker 4>socialize and nice well for sure, Like I would talk

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<v Speaker 4>to people on AIM and then suddenly seeing them at school,

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<v Speaker 4>You're like, oh, yeah, remember we were talking about whatever, missus, whoever,

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<v Speaker 4>the English class, blah blah blah, and all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 4>it's just like it broke down walls.

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<v Speaker 2>There were online friends of mine, people who I went

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<v Speaker 2>to high school with who I didn't interact with it

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<v Speaker 2>all in person. So I did, but I'll let me

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<v Speaker 2>be clear. There are people that I went to high

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<v Speaker 2>school with with whom I communicated solely through a shadow

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<v Speaker 2>friend essentially essentially, Yeah, I didn't really have any relationship

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<v Speaker 2>with these people outside of just hey, what's up online?

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I mean it was definitely a different time.

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<v Speaker 2>We're essentially carrying aim with us now. Yeah, yeah, of

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<v Speaker 2>course a text message, but there was there was a

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<v Speaker 2>simpler component to There were at least some barriers with

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<v Speaker 2>that where if you're away or if you're offline, they

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<v Speaker 2>can't reach you, whereas now that's not exactly the case,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was a precursor to a lot of what

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<v Speaker 2>we have now.

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<v Speaker 4>I am even though it has rewired our brains. I

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<v Speaker 4>am so much happier that I grew up, like my

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<v Speaker 4>formative years were late nineties instead of now. It's so

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<v Speaker 4>much better totally.

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<v Speaker 5>So that's all I have.

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<v Speaker 2>Anything else?

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<v Speaker 3>Still looking for that girl who No, I'm very very

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<v Speaker 3>happily dating someone and now we talk like we have

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<v Speaker 3>an entire relationship where she lives in DC like here,

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<v Speaker 3>like we most of our conversations are on.

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<v Speaker 4>G chat or yeah Skype and you openly now know STD.

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<v Speaker 4>I know you talk STD with your girl friend.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah all the time. Yeah, we practice safe listening to

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<v Speaker 2>save today.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, safe listening to save the day.

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<v Speaker 2>Why don't we leave it at that. Yeah, together, this

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<v Speaker 2>has been very fun. We we have to up the

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<v Speaker 2>ante again next year. I don't know how. We don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what next year. I really I don't know how

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<v Speaker 2>we do that. But we have a full year to think.

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<v Speaker 5>Body stuff, just everything that's right and wrong with our bodies.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's always has to be nineties body stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>Nineties body stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, all change is like for you walk me through

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<v Speaker 2>year to years again. You're making the pubes and but

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<v Speaker 2>again which I don't appreciate listening. That's how I communicate

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<v Speaker 2>Bill Barnwell, thank you always stopping all by Dan Rumerstein.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll see you soon. Yes, sir, my name's Ty Hildebrand.

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