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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Solid Verbal.

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Speaker 2: I'll that for me.

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Speaker 3: I'm a man, I'm forty.

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Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 2: be happy.

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Speaker 1: You want to be happy for Dake Edith State.

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Speaker 4: Is that?

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Speaker 1: Whoo whoom? And now Dan and Tie, welcome, you've got mail.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Solid Verbal. Boys and girls. My

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Speaker 2: name is Ty hilden Brand joining me seated directly to

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Speaker 2: my left. Another show. We're in the same room.

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Speaker 4: Dan, It's true. Well, this is the most important show

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Speaker 4: of the This is why I'm here do this show remotely.

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Speaker 2: I am here for this show. It's true, Dan Rubinstein,

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Speaker 2: how are you?

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Speaker 5: Life is good?

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Speaker 4: I am giddy excitement over today's show because it is

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Speaker 4: the third annual one off topic show with our poll

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Speaker 4: Bill barn Well, and this year's topic is arguably the

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Speaker 4: most personal and most important.

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Speaker 5: Topic we've ever discussed.

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Speaker 4: If you've already downloaded the show, which I assume you have,

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Speaker 4: if you're listening, you know that we are talking basically

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Speaker 4: our experiences with the nineties internet and computer every see.

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Speaker 2: I am disappointed in you, yeah, because you are usually

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Speaker 2: the guy when we're doing our college football show that

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Speaker 2: has something cued up on Spotify. How do you not

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Speaker 2: have Phil Collins in the air tonight for this show?

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Speaker 4: Well, I was doing this show for real. In that spirit,

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Speaker 4: I would either bring up a Metallica song, yeah because

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Speaker 4: shout out Lars Ulrich, the best and worst person of

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Speaker 4: the nineties as it relates to music and the Internet,

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Speaker 4: or maybe the buddy Holly Weezer Windows ninety five.

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Speaker 5: I think that might have been the move.

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Speaker 2: You need to play it on Winning, which really still

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Speaker 2: does whip the lama's as.

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Speaker 4: It very much does. And if you heard a very

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Speaker 4: faint laugh right there, that's our pal from ESPN.

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Speaker 5: Seen your NFL writer.

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Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, I don't know what my title is, Bill Barnwell, Hey,

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Speaker 3: well back Bill, Thanks guys. I gotta admit when I

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Speaker 3: maybe nothing else matters. I had a three second clip

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Speaker 3: on AOL that replaced that you've got mail clip whenever

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Speaker 3: I got an e mail with that is nothing else matters.

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Speaker 4: So great because I had totally forgotten, in deep diving

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Speaker 4: my own nineties internet experience in my brain, totally forgot

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Speaker 4: that you could replace all the waves. You know that

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Speaker 4: you've got mail to welcome goodbye everything with you. There's

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Speaker 4: custom Seinfeld or terminator two, and.

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Speaker 2: Early of the early AOL modding was the thing that

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Speaker 2: you could do for sure. So, okay, the title of

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Speaker 2: this show, I don't know if we've necessarily agreed on that,

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Speaker 2: but it's nineteen nineties internet things. Dan and I discussed

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Speaker 2: of a loose restriction there on the Yeah, nineteen nineties.

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Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't have to be up until nineteen

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Speaker 4: Spirit of the late nineties essentially, But yeah, we're gonna

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Speaker 4: try to stick us as much as we can to

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Speaker 4: the nineties. And before we get fully into the things

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Speaker 4: set a baseline, Ty, what year.

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Speaker 5: Did you graduate from high school?

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Speaker 2: Two thousand?

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Speaker 4: You graduated from two thousand, So this pushes right up

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Speaker 4: against So this is like high school and the Internet

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Speaker 2: Baby.

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Speaker 5: This is the popularity.

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Speaker 2: This is when we're growing up right here.

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Speaker 5: I'm o one, Bill, you are I'm also one.

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Speaker 4: You're also one, So we are just right smack dab

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Speaker 4: like as we are going through these life changes. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah right, you're you're making like the sign for pubes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true, the International Pube sign is what's happening

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Speaker 4: at this table. No, what I'm saying is this is like,

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Speaker 4: you know, coming of age, like you know, whether it's

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Speaker 2: Well, it's here's what's interesting about this, And especially since

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Speaker 2: Oh for sure, absolutely does all of those things. This

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Speaker 3: Oh, I mean I was running a I was one

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Speaker 3: you know that that does not happen if there's no Internet.

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Speaker 4: So right, exactly, I mean, and the majority of your

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Speaker 2: I saw that website and it's just been it's.

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Speaker 4: Straight cash front page sport. It's still loaded. No, But like,

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Speaker 4: obviously you've been at ESPN for a while. You were

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Speaker 4: at IGN doing things, Yes, you were, I mean ESPN

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Speaker 4: so we collectively even tie on your day job, you're

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Speaker 4: connected to the internet.

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Speaker 2: Connect. Yeah, we're all. We're all connected to the interwebs.

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Speaker 4: And I have, yes, my my salaries have all been

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Speaker 2: So here's what we should do to establish another baseline

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Speaker 2: before we really dive in. Let's talk about our our

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Speaker 2: our general like foundation with how we use the internet.

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Speaker 2: What was our computer situation, what we're rig what did

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Speaker 5: Bill, what was your mid nineties rig?

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Speaker 3: A few different ways I was connecting to the internet

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Speaker 3: I had AOL before you could use AOL to access.

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Speaker 2: The World Wide Web. Okay, so there were just those topics.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was there was no outgoing thing. It was

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Speaker 3: There was Prodigy.

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Speaker 3: Name, Oh God, my AOL screen name was. I believe

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Speaker 4: So I think, so when people come across you, they're like, oh,

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Speaker 3: Guy two things, this guy super And I mean, like,

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Speaker 2: If only I had.

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Speaker 3: Bill on AOL would be golden. So had AOL had Prodigy,

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Speaker 3: I think I preferred Prodigy to AOL especially. It just

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Speaker 3: Imagination, which I'm not sure how familiar with. Imagination was

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Speaker 3: addicted to it. Yes, they had it was like its

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Speaker 3: It had actually football from Pageports Football Process in Company

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Speaker 3: had like Right Barron. It had some repgs, and of

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Speaker 3: course it had a password protected adult zone, which I

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Speaker 5: So as soon as you got a taste, you were like,

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Speaker 3: A man, this is my thing, absolutely so AOL prodigy

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Speaker 3: You know I could never deal with compuser because the

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Speaker 2: Just a bunch of numbers.

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Speaker 2: True, I couldn't deal with that.

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Speaker 3: I was not into that. I don't think I've ever

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 4: And surely who you could not find NFL Island No?

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Speaker 2: So Dan what was your rig?

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Speaker 4: So I have a unique situation in that the first

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Speaker 4: computer we had was probably in nineteen ninety two, and

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Speaker 4: it was we got the computer because I won it

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Speaker 4: on a game show. It was a Mac or an Apple.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the game show. We have posted our YouTube in

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Speaker 3: I would love it if it was a different game show.

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Speaker 4: Well, I've been on four Yeah, so no. So we

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Speaker 4: it was just a lot of like Oregon Trail math blaster,

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Speaker 3: Love the blessing math.

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Speaker 4: My parents went out to dinner once and I wrote

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Speaker 4: text edit. I wrote my memoir there. And then we

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Speaker 4: got AOL and I was net Ace seven two five,

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Speaker 4: and it was that double meaning of both the Internet

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Speaker 5: I had a gateway.

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Speaker 2: But that was more of the AOL. That was more

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Speaker 3: Let me tell you, I would have possibly considered going

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Speaker 3: That was eighteen years ago.

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Speaker 2: That's crazy.

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Speaker 4: I visited Arizona State in two thousand and I too

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Speaker 2: So we were all on AOL. We all were part

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Speaker 2: Oh no, at my, at my worst, and it was bad.

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Speaker 4: It was like the four K of nineteen ninety eight.

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Speaker 4: I remember we jumped from fourteen four to thirty three six,

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Speaker 2: Please please, my internet at home right now might be

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Speaker 4: We had two lines in our house before even the internet,

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Speaker 4: And it's not like those ninety minutes were used in

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Speaker 3: About how naive I was Once upon a time I

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Speaker 4: That's a thing, mind, you just downloaded athlete pictures, just

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Speaker 2: to college, it's talk about a new planet.

443
00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:19,000
Speaker 3: Yes, oh it's not even necessarily, but it's it's steroids, it's.

444
00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:22,240
Speaker 4: Everything is up. It's it's basically going from a covered

445
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:24,800
Speaker 4: wagon to a Ferrari right with nothing in between.

446
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,600
Speaker 3: The moment for me was really Napster, where it was

447
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,160
Speaker 3: like you know, in the past, like you could find

448
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 3: files and you can download them and it wouldn't be

449
00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:34,639
Speaker 3: super fast, but you could like get in your fifty

450
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,240
Speaker 3: six K speed download a five megabyte.

451
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,280
Speaker 4: Files Simpsons Waves or something like Copter.

452
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 2: You know, you can get that stuff.

453
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,439
Speaker 3: But then like Napster coming along, and there were other

454
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 3: sides when Napster's I think was the most prominent one.

455
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 3: From first, like I got a iPod rider ad the

456
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,879
Speaker 3: same time. Okay, and that, yeah, I think it was

457
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 3: right before I went to schools like two thousand hours.

458
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:57,679
Speaker 3: It doesn't one and you're like getting like a sixty

459
00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 3: four maybe a fifty gig twenty five gig iPod and

460
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 3: having cable modem and unlimited access to songs was like

461
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 3: it just was like, this is this is the absolute

462
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 3: feature nothing can possibly time.

463
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,879
Speaker 4: Did you have like the the shared iTunes like in

464
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,879
Speaker 4: your dorm situation, we had direct connect? Oh yeah, so

465
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,960
Speaker 4: you could you could download any movie in a matter

466
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 4: of seconds, any like every person's shared music libraries, or

467
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,439
Speaker 4: like if I wanted to, like I was a big

468
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 4: email fan at that point, if I wanted to download

469
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,160
Speaker 4: a Jimmy World album, I had access to every gimm

470
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 4: eight World album, a bunch of live bootlegs, like any

471
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,400
Speaker 4: possible thing in a matter of seconds. After years ago,

472
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 4: I would not have AC I couldn't there, I could

473
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 4: not have even a year before, have listened to a

474
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 4: song of Theirs on the internet. Right, Like it was

475
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 4: that amount, that was that sort of jump overnight. How

476
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 4: quickly did you both go from Okay, here's your standard

477
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 4: AOL chat room, AOL profiles blah blah blah. And then

478
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 4: there's news groups, there's alt dot whatever. And if you're

479
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,479
Speaker 4: somebody responded with like I was an Eyelid unders fan.

480
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,159
Speaker 4: I was just burning up the new the like all

481
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 4: dot islander.

482
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 3: That's sports dot. Yeah, new Dash York Dash Islander. Yes,

483
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 3: I think I did it for like a week.

484
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:08,160
Speaker 2: Okay.

485
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:09,120
Speaker 3: Then I was like, I can't.

486
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:13,119
Speaker 4: I found albums like people would post like actual downloadable interesting.

487
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 4: I mean it was very much a thing I just

488
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 4: know I could never get into.

489
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:17,399
Speaker 5: Really, Yeah, I r C.

490
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 2: It was intense O I r.

491
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 3: C for sure.

492
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 2: I that was more two thousand, two thousand slapping people

493
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 2: with a fish on I r C. That's right. I

494
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 2: I r C was another means of getting files.

495
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,399
Speaker 4: Of course, you know shout out video pimp absolutely if

496
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 4: you were were you a video pimp, his name was

497
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:33,880
Speaker 4: video pimp out.

498
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 2: If if you were looking for something that wasn't on Napster,

499
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 2: you could always find it out.

500
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then you had the naps not clones, but

501
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 4: like there were a bunch of you know, Kazah and Audio.

502
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 2: More Tower, dot Net, bear Share, which all had virus.

503
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,919
Speaker 4: That's like wire I want to go back to Napster

504
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:58,160
Speaker 4: because one I loved win Amp so so much win

505
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 4: skins near skin.

506
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 3: I got admit I was a music match jukebox guy.

507
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 4: Really.

508
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 2: Oh it came with the first iPod Nobody's perfect. I'm sorry,

509
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 2: I I.

510
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 4: Used the hell out of wind Amp, the visualizer for

511
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 4: wind Amp.

512
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 2: I never understood that. I still don't.

513
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't get it either.

514
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 4: But I had like a pioneer your pioneer audio like

515
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 4: somewhat higher ends like sub Monster.

516
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:22,959
Speaker 5: Yes, I had.

517
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 4: I had a pioneer skin, and I felt like I

518
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 4: was souping up my wind Am, like I was getting

519
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 4: extra good audio quality because somebody decided to slap a pioneer.

520
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,120
Speaker 3: Logo and nail the levels on this one.

521
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,360
Speaker 4: Yes, ooh the mix is just a little bit better. Yeah,

522
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 4: But Napster wise, I had a huge library. I'm sorry,

523
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 4: recording industry and artists of America.

524
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 2: I I actually have an interesting story in this because

525
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 2: one of my good good friends from high school was

526
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 2: actually on the early, early, early Napster beta. Okay, okay,

527
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 2: so we're talking about the people who had Napster before

528
00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 2: the world had Napster, where he is communicat with the

529
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 2: creators of Mew like.

530
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 5: Sean Fanning is on the other side.

531
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 2: Oh, there is an email or was an email on

532
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 2: his machine from Sean Fanning inviting him to be part

533
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 2: of a broader beta. And I believe many of the

534
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 2: individuals who were on that beta were later in some

535
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 2: sort of legal peril, of course, because of the copyright

536
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 2: infringement situation that came about from Napster. But Naster changed

537
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 2: the world. It changed the world.

538
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 4: Napster changed the world, but it didn't really We weren't

539
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 4: arrested as far as I know, for downloading songs. My

540
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 4: question is, though Napster's one thing, Napster plus a CD burner. Oh,

541
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 4: how early were you in having a tower with CDR capabilities?

542
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 2: I was pretty early, was pretty early on the show.

543
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 2: I was not either, Yeah, I was pretty early.

544
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 4: I remember Andrew Einhorn, who was also responsible for my

545
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 4: pinky being short by the way, he was in a

546
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 4: very early.

547
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 2: He's in the Yakuza.

548
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 4: He's in the Yakuza. People don't know that about him. No,

549
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 4: I'm almost positive as him. Maybe Matt Levan. I know

550
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 4: these names mean a lot too. But they had CD

551
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 4: burners and would bring CDs to school and it was

552
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 4: their writing and a sharpie on the CDs, not the

553
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 4: actual printing from like a press of a CD, and

554
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 4: I felt like they were living in the future. Somehow

555
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,199
Speaker 4: their dad's robbed like a shipping container that came over

556
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 4: from Japan, Like how were they allowed to have this technology?

557
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 4: And for months anyway, they were on a higher social

558
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 4: strata because they had that CDR CDRW. They had that

559
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 4: cdr W.

560
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 2: I mean that that was a legitimate thing.

561
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 3: And so when I moved to Long Island, one of

562
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 3: the first ways I made friends was that I knew

563
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 3: how to edit auto exec dot bat and can figure

564
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 3: that and so like when people's computers were like my

565
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 3: friend's computer was like not morning super Bowl, and I'm like, oh,

566
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 3: I do this, this and this, and I showed them.

567
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,479
Speaker 2: And they were like, wow, this is you know how

568
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 2: to fix this?

569
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 3: And then I became friends with people because like we

570
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 3: were the ones who had AOL, right, and we would

571
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 3: use AOL and so it was like, this is the

572
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 3: thing you do with your friend.

573
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 5: It's a big deal.

574
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 3: And then I remember in high school, like when that

575
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 3: mapster was around my final year, my senior year of

576
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 3: high school, and showing people Napster for the first time.

577
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 5: Mind blowing.

578
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 3: Mind blowing, just like because like people, you know, I

579
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 3: found out about it like slowly, like I heard about

580
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:33,199
Speaker 3: it and then I was like.

581
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 2: Well, how can it be? And I used it and

582
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 2: I was like wow, but like just showing someone who

583
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 2: had no idea it even existed. H Absolutely. There were

584
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 2: three distinct levels of Napster usage for me. The first

585
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 2: was when you used it care free, sure, and downloaded

586
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 2: at will stuff you didn't even want, but just because

587
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 2: you could.

588
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 3: This is now the seventh version of Every Morning by

589
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 3: Sugar Ray. I have on this computer, but why not?

590
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 3: True exactly.

591
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 2: The second I would status level would be, I know

592
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 2: this is probably breaking some sort of lawkay, therefore I'm

593
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 2: gonna use it, but sparingly right, I'm.

594
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 5: Gonna pick my spot.

595
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 4: I'm only going to download like the Impossibles, see right,

596
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 4: I'm only going to download like Nelly.

597
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know if they're watching me,

598
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 2: but just in case. Wow, Okay. Yeah. Then there was

599
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 2: the third level where it was like, you know, I'm

600
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 2: like twenty six, maybe.

601
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 4: I should just afford it's time.

602
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 2: You should just go out and buy something, right, you know,

603
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 2: because really if you think about it, Napster, whether it's Napster,

604
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 2: Cozah Bearish, all these file transfer services, they were the

605
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 2: early pilot for the iTunes store.

606
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, and what's strange if and I know you were

607
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 4: into it somewhat, but Bill and I were probably a

608
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 4: little bit deeper into that, like emo pump punk. Around here,

609
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 4: you couldn't get a lot of these records that like

610
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 4: your local Sam Goodie and so Napster was in a

611
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 4: lot of ways super good for a lot of exposure

612
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 4: for these bands they'd become popular, it was just untrackable,

613
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 4: unmonetizable and be illegal. But I had access to so

614
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 4: much like just like Bucko nine, you know, those types

615
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 4: of bands that like of course, like Blockbuster Music or

616
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 4: the warehouse isn't carrying them, but I could go see

617
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 4: their show because I had heard of them, and I

618
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 4: would go so that I'd buy their CDs at the shows.

619
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 2: We could probably do fifteen shows on the master for sure.

620
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 2: But that was the one thing that all the higher

621
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 2: ups in the music industry overlooked. The discovery element. Yeah,

622
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 2: for sure. The discovery element of it is really what

623
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 2: still drives it today. Not the fact that you can

624
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 2: buy it online. But the fact that you can find

625
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 2: new stuff and.

626
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 5: Neither one of you got in trouble. Am I correct?

627
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 2: I in trouble?

628
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 5: Did you get a warning notice?

629
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 3: I didn't get any trouble from the DMCA, but my

630
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 3: high school uh like study hall teacher yelled at.

631
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 4: Me for oh and it was specifically he knew he

632
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 4: or she knew it.

633
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I got paid. I got pegged a couple

634
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 2: times for seeding bandwidth from my I okay, in college, I.

635
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 3: Actually I read I got even more trouble. I had

636
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 3: a great after school job high school senior year where

637
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 3: I would just watch the computer lab and the library

638
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 3: and like two people would come in every week and

639
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 3: that would be it. So it's great, said, they do nothing.

640
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 3: And but the internet was like filtered, and I found

641
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 3: a way to get past the filter and showed my

642
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 3: friend Brian, how.

643
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 5: Did you get past the film?

644
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 2: I don't remember how I got so some of those

645
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 2: early filtering mechanisms superre there. It was a lot of

646
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 2: duct tape and shink.

647
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 3: I just I just came into a proxy server and

648
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 3: that got past it, and so I should my friend

649
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 3: he did it, and then a teacher saw him accessing

650
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 3: something that was not appropriate for the Internet course, and

651
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 3: he's like, oh, how did you find that? And he said,

652
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 3: he just sold me out basically, And so then he

653
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 3: got the summer job at the library, which was the

654
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 3: freem job, and the job I hadn't promised to also

655
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 3: work with him did not ever show up, Oh Bill, heartbreaking.

656
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

657
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 4: I don't think we ever got notices. I don't think.

658
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 4: I don't know if maybe we got banned with ones,

659
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 4: but never d M c A anything. So now you're

660
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 4: talking about connecting the proxy server. So this this strikes

661
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 4: me as a gentleman who knows his way around. What

662
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 4: else were you doing at that? So you mentioned programming, sure,

663
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 4: auto exec dot bat files. Sure, what other kinds of

664
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 4: stuff were you were you experimenting with? This is gonna this,

665
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 4: This is not where I'm trying to go. But what

666
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 4: kind of stuff were you playing around with? As it

667
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 4: relates to mainstream protocol?

668
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 3: It sounds way more illicit than actually, yeah, of course,

669
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 3: I mean like I was teaching myself to program, like

670
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 3: I was learning Q basic, you know, I was basically

671
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 3: trying to modify simple things, just trying to figure out,

672
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 3: like how I can get the most out of the computer.

673
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 2: I was, you know, doing tiny things. Who were there?

674
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 3: Like I was running dots and high umb as opposed

675
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 3: to lo dos. I don't know what that actually means.

676
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 5: Where are we going with that show?

677
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 3: But like, like you know, I went to school as

678
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 3: a computer science managers like that was like, oh, this

679
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 3: is my thing like this, And then I got there

680
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 3: and I was there for a year and a half

681
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 3: and I was like, this is actually not my hell.

682
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 3: And from that point forward, I have not been a programmer.

683
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 3: I have not learned anything more in my computers, and

684
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 3: I am now just a total army in terms of

685
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 3: my computer. So up to that point, I was great,

686
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 3: But now.

687
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 4: I know nothing were you into? And I know Ti,

688
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 4: I'm setting this up because I know Tie has a

689
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 4: lot to say on the topic. So there were certain

690
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 4: tools that people made for even just AOL.

691
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 2: Oh sure, so I'm gonna get more water yeah, get

692
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 2: more water tight.

693
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 5: This is Ties.

694
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 4: When we were chatting about this show beforehand, he was like,

695
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 4: I'm so happy for this show. This is my like

696
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 4: twenty seven year, I'm my year twenty seven, age twenty seven.

697
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 4: I'm rounding into my prime for this show. Well, a

698
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 4: popular one was Aohel Sure of course TI mentioned I

699
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 4: think it was was Fate Fate And basically it was

700
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 4: a series of tools which you could mail mass mail people.

701
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 4: You could punt people from AOL. You could put in

702
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 4: weird or dirty, ASKI things into chat rooms, and you

703
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 4: could have sent. You could send an email from an

704
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 4: email address that wasn't yours. It could appear to be

705
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 4: from your email address to hide the actual sender.

706
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 2: I loved it.

707
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 4: It made me feel like I knew what I was doing.

708
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 4: But I was just an ass. That's all it was,

709
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 4: was me being an idiot dick. But I felt so

710
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 4: much power coursing through my veins using all the proggies

711
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 4: or progus.

712
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 3: You weren't You weren't a dirty Warez boy, were you?

713
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 4: That actually sounds familiar. I don't know what that is,

714
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 4: but I know I know Warez is a city, but

715
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 4: like what is dirty Warres? I'm just oh, you're.

716
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 2: Saying, He's say where? I was gonna say, yeah, Warrez?

717
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: And wherees is the Yanni and Laurel where? Because I

718
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 2: was always under the parents was like Softwares.

719
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 4: I've gone, I've gone both.

720
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 2: I used to be Warez and then I had a

721
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,959
Speaker 2: computer science friend telling me that it was actually wares

722
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 2: I I switched. I am the dirtiest of Where's Boys. Well,

723
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 2: I used the hell out of What's funny about those

724
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 2: programs is, by modern standards, they were just like sophisticated macros.

725
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 2: You know, they didn't really do anything. They were all

726
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,439
Speaker 2: they're always like talking about all the all the cool

727
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 2: stuff that you can do that they don't. They don't

728
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 2: want to tell you about it.

729
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 4: And I used it to Like, the very important thing

730
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 4: I used it for was downloading leisure Suit Larry six, right,

731
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 4: of course, yeah, that sense, that's yeah, of course.

732
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 2: But my favorite was the I was a fate guy

733
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 2: fate X. I don't know fate X I remember pretty vividly.

734
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 2: And the two things I remember about it is that

735
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 2: when you started it up, there was a wave or

736
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 2: m P three file of pd P diddies I'll be

737
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 2: missing you that one, of course, and that would play

738
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 2: for about thirty five seconds, very long, was not well held.

739
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 2: Wait out Diddy to start, had to wait out Diddy.

740
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 2: And then there was an I am bomb instant message

741
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 2: down utility where you could just pick buddy and send

742
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 2: them the same thing. One hundred thousand times or whatever,

743
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 2: but you could never really do a whole lot with them.

744
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 2: And for me, using those programs is more about like,

745
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 2: is there something I'm missing here that I can't do more?

746
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: Right?

747
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 2: Because it was it just seemed like it was marketing.

748
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 2: It's like this is this is like the keys to

749
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 2: the Hidden City. But then you would try to use

750
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 2: it and you can never really modify the software the

751
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 2: way you'd think. Right, that was disappointing to me. I'm

752
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 2: just starting to hear that I was disappointed by that.

753
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 4: Bill mentioned running building front page sports football stuff. Oh sure,

754
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 4: I don't.

755
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 5: Off the top of my head.

756
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 4: I remember making sites, but it was more to just

757
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 4: make and see what I could do with gifts and

758
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,280
Speaker 4: rolling marquee blinking, yes, all of those things.

759
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 2: Oh god, bless the counter. Oh you take counter, Oh

760
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 2: my god.

761
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 3: The counter going on.

762
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 2: Guestbook.

763
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 3: You got the guest boys. You're part of the web ring.

764
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 3: You got that little Netscape navigators download that for optimization

765
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 3: purposes until it's up.

766
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 5: You're under construction.

767
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 3: You're always construction. You got stuff blinking. You got that

768
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 3: little pop up when you go to the pange asking

769
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 3: for your name, so you insert that into the page

770
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 3: you go to. Was it Matt's script archive downloads?

771
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,399
Speaker 4: So I messed around with that, but not for any

772
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 4: sort of purpose there was. I never had like a

773
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 4: pulp fiction fan site.

774
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: You know.

775
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 4: It was never like purpose to what I was building

776
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 4: other than just like, hey, I'm Dan and this is

777
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 4: my website. I made a website probably two thousand in

778
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 4: Microsoft Publisher. Sure, yeah, always fun. But I didn't have

779
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 4: like a thing that I didn't have, like an early

780
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 4: version of a blog. I didn't have a fan site

781
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 4: for something. What did you guys build aside from Bill's

782
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 4: front page sports that you if you built anything whether

783
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 4: it's Geo City's angel Fire or whatever that like you

784
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 4: had a parked identity online.

785
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 2: I appreciate the setup here, Yeah, because you know exactly

786
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 2: where this is going to go.

787
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 4: Well, no, I know one of the answers. I don't

788
00:36:58,560 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 4: know how many there are so.

789
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 2: Well, the first and most notable was that I started

790
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 2: playing fantasy football among friends entirely manually based on the

791
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 2: box scores in the paper. We would manually keep track

792
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 2: with our Byzantine scoring system with who was winning and

793
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 2: who was losing.

794
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 4: In between all.

795
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 5: Of the dates that you guys were all going on.

796
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 2: This is as of like nineteen ninety five, before anything

797
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 2: is you know, really out there online. And my initial

798
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 2: test run with creating things on the internet was creating

799
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 2: just a site where we could look to see who

800
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 2: we had on our teams and what scores were some standings. Yeah, right,

801
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 2: So that that was actually a very practical way to

802
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:46,919
Speaker 2: use it. And in between you kind of mess around

803
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 2: and figure out other things that you can do.

804
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 3: That's like crew into yahoo dot com.

805
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 2: What's that? That's like grew into Yahoo dot Yah dot

806
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 2: com sold for several billions, yes, But the most notable

807
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 2: was the article I sent you where my junior year

808
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 2: playing varsity baseball. I did not play a lot of

809
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 2: varsity baseball on that team. You were baseball adjacent, that's right,

810
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 2: That's right.

811
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 1: I was.

812
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 2: I was a participant on that team and my junior

813
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 2: year anyway, was the designated scorekeeper and or Signs Steeler

814
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 2: along with a really good friend of mine. And so

815
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 2: again kind of building on this idea we can use

816
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 2: the Internet to keep track of stuff. We built a

817
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 2: website for our varsity baseball team that made the local paper.

818
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 4: In case you haven't heard, the world is going online.

819
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 2: Reading the art. This is the article I sent it

820
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 2: to you.

821
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 4: I'm gonna skip a little bit thus far. However, there

822
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 4: are relatively few websites that contain extensive information on local

823
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 4: high school sports teams that are constantly updated. That makes

824
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 4: Steve Hinkle and Tyler Hildenbrandt's pioneer. This is from the

825
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 4: Allentown Morning Call. Yeah, so Tie is on a baseball

826
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 4: team and he's being written up as a webmaster.

827
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah, And I remember the author of that

828
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 2: article asking our coaches about it, like have they have

829
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 2: they filled you in on this, and it was as

830
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 2: if they had seen a ghost, where as if the

831
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 2: author had two heads of course, you know, because back

832
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 2: then it was like it's this like you know, it's

833
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 2: just something something the kids are.

834
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 4: How old are you at this point, you're like fourteen, fifteen, sixteen?

835
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: Yeah?

836
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, so this is this is the time when

837
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 4: I mean, did you make anything else other than front page?

838
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 4: Like did you devote your time?

839
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 3: What's it?

840
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 2: Two things?

841
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 3: Number One, I played fantasy sports at this time too. Yeah,

842
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 3: but we played in my neighborhood in Queens and it

843
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 3: was always it was fantasy baseball through the mail, so

844
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,439
Speaker 3: you would get like you would get updates every week

845
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 3: with like a like a I got print out that

846
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 3: the commissioner would get and then like make copies of

847
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 3: it give to you and you saw you on the street.

848
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 3: So it would be like a fifteen page like you

849
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 3: know dot matrix print out of the numbers every week,

850
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 3: but like like fantasy football and hockey, same thing. We

851
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 3: were just watching like the ESPN two bottom line and

852
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 3: just writing it down and then comparing it at the

853
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 3: end of the week.

854
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 2: But I did not.

855
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 3: I'm sure I did, but I don't remember what it was.

856
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 3: All I remember is that it was on the Geocity

857
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 3: site in the Colisseum neighborhood.

858
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 2: That was your hood, that was I was also a coliseum.

859
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,280
Speaker 3: I thought about Times Square. I was open to Times Square.

860
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 3: There are other ones I was considering, but Colisseum sports related.

861
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 3: You figure it's got to be the way to.

862
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 4: Think to you, Okay, So this is this is though

863
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 4: an important time because we mentioned aim or aim, I don't.

864
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 4: I think I always called it aim to be honest,

865
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 4: I called it Juarez Warez Yanny. It's the no matter

866
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 4: what you're doing with websites, no matter what you're doing

867
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 4: with fantasy sports. And I do have a really bad,

868
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 4: shameful fantasy sports story to tell. But AM was the

869
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 4: center of the universe, sure, because and I don't think

870
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 4: I'm speaking out of turn here. I assumed the three

871
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 4: of us were not necessarily the most popular, the most charming,

872
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 4: especially with people we were trying or we had crushes

873
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 4: on or anything like that. But you're a different self

874
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 4: on lots, right. You're not anonymous with these people. Obviously

875
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 4: you've shared your screen names whatever, and so like you're

876
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 4: talking to these people. But you get home from school,

877
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:32,240
Speaker 4: Pop open AIM person signs on, and you're just cracking knuckles.

878
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 4: You're like, all right, here we go, here we go

879
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 4: today the day I can't I can't chat her, maybe

880
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 4: she'll I am me. But then you start thinking about, oh,

881
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 4: what's a good entry, Like I can let me let

882
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 4: me hi, Hi, Let me tell you about sixteen year

883
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 4: old Dan eventually did alright with with AIM and essentially

884
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 4: started dating somebody because I was pretty good on it.

885
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,399
Speaker 4: I AM because it was way better than I could

886
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 4: be in person, because in person was an even worse

887
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 4: version of that high.

888
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 5: So I AI AM did actually work.

889
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 4: Out well for me eventually late nights, you know, chatting

890
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 4: into well into the night. But that the idea of

891
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 4: signing online seeing her also then sign on and then

892
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 4: have her I am you, it's your heart is like

893
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 4: soaring through your ribs. I cannot overstress the extremes that

894
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 4: that feeling gave me.

895
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 3: I could do this for a half hour. Yes, the

896
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 3: stories about that, I can say that the most satisfaction

897
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 3: I've ever felt about anything I've ever written.

898
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 2: Whoa, whoa, Yeah, no, this is totally true.

899
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 3: Is that like I put some like pithy emo ish

900
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 3: thing in my ame profile and my crush took it

901
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 3: and put it in her profilesble quoted me.

902
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 4: Was I saw that with attribute? Yes, it was like

903
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 4: Bill Barnwell, so it was like you miss all the

904
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 4: shots you can't take, Wayne Gretzky, Bill barn But.

905
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 3: But this was not I was not quitting a band.

906
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 2: I write myself.

907
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 5: So it was like that was the So was it

908
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 5: something like poetic and deep that you.

909
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 3: Like eighteen year old me?

910
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: Of course?

911
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 3: But sure that was I think.

912
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 5: There is no bigger and better feeling.

913
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:27,760
Speaker 4: No, it was incredible that like the affirmation on aim

914
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 4: through chatting through a way messaging through Oh this is

915
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 4: my screen name. You should we should chat online whatever

916
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 4: that is. I don't know if it's like just fake

917
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 4: endorphins send like screwing your brain up, But that to

918
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,280
Speaker 4: me is like if I'm thinking of one like lasting

919
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 4: emotion from like the high school digital experience, it is that.

920
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:49,919
Speaker 5: And I don't know that there's a second place.

921
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 3: So I mean like not only in high school, but

922
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 3: that in college there was that thing for sure. Like

923
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 3: I remember there'd be like a Friday night where I wouldn't.

924
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 2: Go out, and I'd be like, oh, I'm a loser.

925
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 3: I'm not going out, and like I would didn't touch

926
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 3: AIM because I wouldn't want my name to go from

927
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 3: grade out.

928
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 2: You don't want to be actor on Friday, so black

929
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 2: to act in course.

930
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 3: But then of course, if I saw that the girl

931
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 3: I liked was signing on, then suddenly I'm like I'm back, baby,

932
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 3: I'm like, let's talk. And I remember my friend on

933
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 3: the other hand, who developed several AIM hacking things and

934
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 3: warning who we can get to as well. He started

935
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 3: talking to this girl at school online, and the way

936
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 3: that she showed him that she liked him was that

937
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 3: when he put in this way message and went to sleep.

938
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 3: When he came back, she had sent him no fewer

939
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 3: than seven hundred and forty messages. Who because the coundo

940
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 3: showed up on your on your yest, which was like

941
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 3: not only just like you don't have your way message,

942
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 3: ndeath it to be like this person two messages, this

943
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 3: person three messages, yes, and so like that would be

944
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 3: the first thing you would see when you'd wake up

945
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 3: would be like, who's that any messages?

946
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:48,240
Speaker 2: How many of a cent and seven hundreds that's numerous messages.

947
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 3: You're not going to believe this. That relationship did not

948
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 3: work out. Wow, it was not a sustainable pace.

949
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 2: It seems so good together too, Yeah, I know.

950
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 4: She really seemed like what were.

951
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 2: Your strategies for away messages? Because you know there were

952
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 2: the most obvious was of course like lyric the song

953
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 2: lyrics or something to you, But then there were other

954
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 2: quotables that you could pull from Michael Jordan, Wayne Gretzky

955
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 2: or whoever.

956
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, well you could actually like write where you were,

957
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 4: You're like I'm going out with my parents, like hit me,

958
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 4: hit the cell, hit the cell, which, of course if

959
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,919
Speaker 4: you had a cell in like nineteen ninety nine after

960
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 4: you come out. But no, if it would be like, oh,

961
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 4: give me a call on this line, or send me

962
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 4: an email here, or leave where, leave where you guys

963
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 4: are going to get burgers or whatever. That's that's the

964
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 4: more innocent of the away.

965
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 2: Message, because I bring that up because you guys are

966
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 2: talking about strategies, you know, the the heart beating out

967
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 2: of the chest. I'm getting worked up just thinking about it.

968
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 2: I can see, go get some water for yourself. But

969
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 2: there was also the strategy of like I'm just gonna

970
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 2: play cool. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna put up the away

971
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 2: message that's meaningful to me and maybe maybe somewhere out

972
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 2: there meaningful to someone else too.

973
00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 4: I would say no.

974
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 2: So then it turns into a bit of a phishing

975
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,720
Speaker 2: exercise where it's like, maybe if I get the message

976
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 2: to this hook, you know, maybe may we're talking about

977
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 2: your friends in high school time so many.

978
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 3: But then there's the other side, which just of course

979
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 3: the original subweet, which was the I'm going to leave

980
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 3: this vaguely oh my message. Yes, I'm not going to

981
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 3: point out who it's for what it is, but they

982
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 3: know what it means.

983
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 4: I think basically you could tell my emotional states ups

984
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 4: and downs essentially ninety one percent. If you just looked

985
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 4: at my away message from nineteen ninety nine through like

986
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 4: two thousand and two, of course, absolutely, and it would

987
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 4: be like happy weird quotes from emo bands when things

988
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 4: were good, and it would just be down, down, down,

989
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:48,399
Speaker 4: what's wrong with Dan?

990
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 5: When things were going to.

991
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 2: Going super well.

992
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 4: You could fully gauge if you really want to know

993
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 4: where my head was at. You didn't have to think

994
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:56,720
Speaker 4: any harder than looking at my away message.

995
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 3: So you listed those three different kinds of away messages. Yeah,

996
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 3: when I first got to college and I could use

997
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 3: AIM every day for the first time, really, one of

998
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 3: the things that I found really exciting was I could

999
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 3: just do all those things in my own message. So

1000
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 3: I would have like Emo song lyrics, I'd have like

1001
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 3: update on what's going on in my life, and.

1002
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 2: I like this is where I am right now.

1003
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 4: You blogged your away message pretty.

1004
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 3: Much, Yeah, so like other people had like one line,

1005
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 3: mine was like three paragraphs. I don't remember that being

1006
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 3: a huge limit on what you could do, so it

1007
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 3: was kind of ridiculous, maybe not appropriate.

1008
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 2: I remember aol AIM member profiles because early blog all

1009
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 2: there was the AOL profile, which was like a ton

1010
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 2: of real estate. There's a lot differ pitch. Yeah, But

1011
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 2: then the aim profile as well. You could sort of

1012
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 2: like expand upon your world to a little bit there

1013
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,879
Speaker 2: and put yourself out in a more visible way.

1014
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 3: You could put your important emo poetry in your email poetry.

1015
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 5: Did you ever have?

1016
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 4: And I wrote this down in our notes and I didn't,

1017
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 4: but I knew somebody who did. That sounds like it's made,

1018
00:47:58,440 --> 00:47:59,919
Speaker 4: but I trust me, it is not me. I would

1019
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 4: I have a friend. So the only idea of an

1020
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 4: online girlfriend, boy, this is like the pre lineykukua.

1021
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about catfishing.

1022
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,439
Speaker 4: I'm like, actually, just like, oh, this is a person

1023
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 4: I met online and we've never met in person. We

1024
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 4: don't necessarily have an intention to, but it's just somebody

1025
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 4: I like talking to.

1026
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 2: When you're running a website for your high school baseball team,

1027
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 2: you don't have tax You just don't have time for

1028
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 2: an internet girlfriends.

1029
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 4: Good buddy of mine in high school I ran Dubinstein

1030
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 4: Don Roberts. No good friend of mine in high school

1031
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 4: did and told me about her, and I remember talking

1032
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 4: to what I presume but cannot guarantee was a girl

1033
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 4: my own age, and I remember like having a conversation

1034
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 4: with her and like it would get like personal, just

1035
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 4: like asking about each other's lives, but it was it

1036
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 4: never got to any sort of like actual relationship wearing.

1037
00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 5: It never no, it was. It was never creepy.

1038
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 4: And at this point I would tell you, because I married,

1039
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 4: my wife is not divorcing me because of this shout

1040
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 4: out Jody with an eye. But I remember talking to

1041
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 4: somebody like that. I was like, Oh, it's very easy

1042
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 4: to meet these supposed new people. But he, this buddy

1043
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 4: of mine, had what he considered to be like more

1044
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 4: than just like a chat buddy, and they made plans

1045
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 4: to meet in person, and they like they planned to

1046
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 4: like she was she, I have no idea. It was

1047
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 4: going to be in La And my buddy was like

1048
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 4: fifteen sixteen something like that, and she was gonna be

1049
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,479
Speaker 4: in like Long Beach, which is nowhere near where we lived.

1050
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 4: And she was like, Oh, I think we're going to

1051
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 4: like the Long Beach Aquarium or something like that. Why

1052
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 4: don't we meet in front of the aquarium. And my

1053
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 4: buddy had to convince his parents to drive him like

1054
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 4: an hour away, so he could meet his online girlfriends.

1055
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 4: She never showed no, because of course she didn't, but like.

1056
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:02,720
Speaker 2: That was a thing where like when he was telling

1057
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 2: me this, I was like, I don't know fully how

1058
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 2: the internet works.

1059
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 4: This sounds like it could be a thing. I don't know.

1060
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 4: I'm a very stupid fifteen or sixteen year old. And

1061
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 4: then when he told me she didn't shaw, I was like, yeah, well.

1062
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 5: Those are the breaks.

1063
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 2: I don't know, chicks, man.

1064
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 4: But yes, that was that was a thing that happened

1065
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,919
Speaker 4: to him, And that was like, looking back, like that's

1066
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:24,919
Speaker 4: super e f and weird.

1067
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 2: Of course it is.

1068
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 4: But when you're that age and the internet is, you know,

1069
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 4: it's nineteen ninety nine, the AOL has been around for

1070
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 4: six years, five years, whatever, you have no idea what

1071
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,720
Speaker 4: like protocol is with meeting people online.

1072
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean like my friend was when we were eighteen,

1073
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 3: and this is not this is not me honestly my

1074
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 3: friend I was there, but like he started talking to

1075
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 3: this girl on like a nine inch nails message board. Yeah,

1076
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 3: and then like we were there talking and he's talking

1077
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 3: to her a bunch and I'm like, okay, guess I'll

1078
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 3: just go play middle gear salad while you talked to this.

1079
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 2: Guy wake three.

1080
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, this all checks out, and then you know, a

1081
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 3: few hours passed and it's like midnight and like so

1082
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 3: much probably like I didn't have a car and he

1083
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 3: had a car, and he's like, probably go home, and

1084
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:04,240
Speaker 3: he's like, I'm gonna.

1085
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 2: Go meet this girl in New Jersey.

1086
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 5: And this is not close to New Jersey.

1087
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 3: This is like Long Island. This is like it's a

1088
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 3: two hour drive and you your parents are home, like

1089
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,240
Speaker 3: you have to kind of get out without your parents.

1090
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 3: And so he drove to New Jersey and hung out

1091
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 3: with this girl all night.

1092
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 5: So I mean she was real.

1093
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 3: She was as far as I know, unless he's been

1094
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 3: lying about it ever since, which is not I don't think.

1095
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 2: No, it's not at all. If I were, It's two hours.

1096
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 3: He got to the Vistlambardi rest stop and then called

1097
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 3: in a night and it's Nathan's while this girl did

1098
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 3: not respond, but I guess they met up and like

1099
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 3: that that was impossible to believe could happen.

1100
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 2: Did any of you guys dabble in the AOL chat rooms?

1101
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 4: Of course?

1102
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 3: Online hosting me were good friends. I was rolling dice.

1103
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 3: I was rolling dice in the AOL chatrooms all the

1104
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 3: time I was part of. I'm sure it was a

1105
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 3: It must have been like an e wrestling fed where

1106
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 3: you like roll dice. In term of what happened with

1107
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 3: the moves, I would guess wow, I would wow. I

1108
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 3: don't remember the specifics, but that does sound like something

1109
00:51:59,320 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 3: I did in the past.

1110
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 2: The AOL chat rooms were like really wild wild less.

1111
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 2: It was. It was the early Twitter.

1112
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, is what it amount. You'd hop in and

1113
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 3: then people would be like press nine if you like

1114
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:18,280
Speaker 3: boys to Men, and it's like, okay, well we're chatting.

1115
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:18,879
Speaker 2: This is great.

1116
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 5: God, that would be such a good memoir.

1117
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 4: Name press nine if you like boys to men for

1118
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 4: the nineties episode, maybe that's the name of our episode.

1119
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 4: And it doesn't make any sense if you're scrolling you

1120
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 4: see PAC twelve preview, acc.

1121
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 3: I think just call it nine.

1122
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 2: So what what did you guys do on the internet

1123
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 2: beyond chatting with friends? So I'm not trying to take

1124
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 2: this to an affairs, but seriously, what what did you do?

1125
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 2: Because as we got older, you get to college, you

1126
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 2: get a faster internet connection. All of a sudden, you

1127
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 2: can play games a little bit more easily online. Not

1128
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 2: that you couldn't before, but now you've got faster, you've

1129
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 2: got the inction, you know, quake three, quake whatever.

1130
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,399
Speaker 5: Online a lot of high school counter strike for this guy.

1131
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, there's there's a lot that you can

1132
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 2: play all of a sudden, But when you're not playing games,

1133
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 2: when you're not chatting with friends, it's sort of like

1134
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 2: a new place.

1135
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 5: Oh, there's a lot of sports.

1136
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 4: What are you doing. I was reading a lot of sports,

1137
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 4: playing fantasy sports, especially when it like moved online in

1138
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 4: a yeah, oh yahoo, Yeah, when was Kurt You would

1139
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 4: know this because football is what you do. When was

1140
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 4: Kurt Warner's first year with the Rams where he exploded?

1141
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 4: After it was ninety nine? I was the first year

1142
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 4: I played fantasy football, and you had Kurt Warner after

1143
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 4: week one when he threw for a Bajillian passes. I

1144
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 4: had Kurt Warner and like Isaac Burgs and I just

1145
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 4: ran things. My fantasy sports story is I went to

1146
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 4: a couple of years. I went to like a camp

1147
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 4: or an academy whatever at Stanford for tennis, not academics police,

1148
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 4: and it was you know, there was there boys, there

1149
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 4: were girls, whatever. Everybody's fourteen fifteen hormones are raging. Whatever

1150
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,760
Speaker 4: of course it is going now, this is totally grated.

1151
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 4: But I remember specifically, I was like hitting it off

1152
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 4: with the girl. We're like fifteen years old and we're

1153
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 4: all staying in dorms. This is total Again, Bill's covering

1154
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 4: his face because he thinks I'm going to a disgust.

1155
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:08,839
Speaker 5: I'm not at all.

1156
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 4: And like we would hang out, and the more we

1157
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 4: would hang out, the more I got antsy about not

1158
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 4: knowing what was going on with.

1159
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 2: My fantasy.

1160
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 4: And mind you, this is Stanford. Even though it's Stanford,

1161
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 4: this is nineteen ninety eight or so, there's not we

1162
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:28,240
Speaker 4: don't have nobody brought laptops and there's no obviously iPads, iPhones,

1163
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 4: nothing like that. And there's only one place to check

1164
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 4: my fantasy team, and that's the Stanford Bookstore, because like

1165
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 4: the downstairs basement had computers that were connected to the

1166
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 4: Internet at like a pretty fast rate. And I remember specifically,

1167
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 4: like near the end of this week, because it's a

1168
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 4: week long like sleepaway camp, this tennis camp. She wanted

1169
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 4: to hang out and I don't even think we had

1170
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 4: kissed or anything like that. We was just like hearts

1171
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 4: beating kind of thing, and I was like, I really

1172
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,399
Speaker 4: I had this like fork in the road moment where

1173
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 4: I hang out with this pretty girl as like a

1174
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 4: fourteen or fifteen year old or check to see, like

1175
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:11,760
Speaker 4: what Bernie Williams did for my nineteen ninety eight ESPN

1176
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 4: remember baseball challenge, Sure, a salary cap league. Sure, So

1177
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 4: that's something you had to update that. This isn't like

1178
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 4: you drafted a team in the spring and this is

1179
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 4: you're making moves. It's a weekly update. So like Bernie Williams,

1180
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 4: if he goes off that week, his price is gonna

1181
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 4: be more expensive and not being able to keep him

1182
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 4: or something like that. And at a certain point, I

1183
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:31,800
Speaker 4: was just like, baby, I gotta go.

1184
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 2: This brings up three different story.

1185
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 3: Bobby Lopez is going off, Jeff Blauser is having a.

1186
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 5: Great yea baby baby, baby, baby baby.

1187
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 2: This makes up three different So that lets you know

1188
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 2: how my creepiness level.

1189
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 3: Okay, as like a fourteen years old clarifying, yeah, fourteen

1190
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 3: year old me as a nineteen year old in college,

1191
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 3: stop talking, like ended a conversation with a very attractive

1192
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 3: girl I would like to be friends with because I

1193
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 3: wanted to go home and read the Bill Simmons column,

1194
00:55:58,040 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 3: which I know going up at any particular time at

1195
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 3: particular what year is this? This is two thousand and two. Okay,

1196
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 3: So like I knew, Tuesday four pm. I got to

1197
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 3: get there see you later. Very nice lady was talking

1198
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 3: to me. I'm going to go read this sports thing

1199
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 3: now worked that well in the long run for me,

1200
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 3: I suppose it did.

1201
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:13,919
Speaker 2: Number two.

1202
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 3: I remember going to Disney when I was a junior

1203
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 3: in high school and going to like the five dollars

1204
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 3: for ten minutes internet thing in Disney to check out

1205
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 3: a pro wrestling newsport to see what happened in ECW

1206
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:26,839
Speaker 3: that week.

1207
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 2: So has that happened?

1208
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 3: My big thing was I played that football game front

1209
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 3: PA Sports Football Pro, and you would like exchange playbooks

1210
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 3: every week. You would exchange games every week. And so

1211
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,320
Speaker 3: there was one week where I was in the finals

1212
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 3: of a league for the first time. I was playing

1213
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 3: this guy and you could see what they plays there

1214
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 3: week before, and you could do custom plays. You could

1215
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 3: take plays from the game. And this guy had a

1216
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 3: punt block play that blocked like three punts in the

1217
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 3: previous game. How do I beat this guy? And I

1218
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 3: realized if I just run a fake punt every time.

1219
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 3: They can't cover it.

1220
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 2: Right, And so there was a guy that's like the

1221
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 2: Joe Montana football thing.

1222
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, And so I assumed, well, basically, I'm assuming

1223
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 3: they're gonna run the same fit pump block play this week,

1224
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 3: So why not run the fake punk fake punt every time?

1225
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 3: And I could tell my team. I had to like

1226
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 3: code it in. I could tell my team every time

1227
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 3: run a fake punt, whether it's a once, it's four

1228
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 3: and thirty. And there was this guy who was doing

1229
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 3: a friend of mine who was doing commentary on this

1230
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 3: game on real audio, okay, of course, and so they

1231
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 3: released the real audio file of the game. That's how

1232
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 3: you find out whether you won or lost. And so

1233
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 3: of course every time I got the fourth down, it's like,

1234
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 3: well here it.

1235
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 2: Comes the punt. Oh it's a fake.

1236
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 3: And I won the game like fifty seven to three

1237
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 3: because I ran a fake punt every single time. And

1238
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 3: this guy was so upset. I was like, you can't

1239
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 3: do that, but of course it.

1240
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 4: Was You're what's the word I'm looking for? You're like,

1241
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 4: if you're playing a video game and you were always

1242
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 4: using the same like drilling Street Fighter you were like

1243
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 4: cheap essentially, sure you were.

1244
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 5: Oh my god, I'm trying to in.

1245
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 2: The back of my mind as I'm hearing word what warez.

1246
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 4: As I'm as I'm hearing Bill tell the story about

1247
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 4: programming in fake puns in sports? The only the gears

1248
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 4: that are turning in my brain are basically telling me,

1249
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 4: how do we top this depth of nerdiness next year?

1250
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 4: How do we go deeper into our disgustingly nerdy digital

1251
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 4: souls to top this?

1252
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, fake punt? May do you have take

1253
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:15,439
Speaker 2: the cake?

1254
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 4: And I think I tried to stress that I was

1255
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 4: keeping the Tennis Academy story pges like you said, g

1256
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 4: G excuse me? Do you have a PG thirteen story

1257
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 4: you'd like to share from out the internet at usage?

1258
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 5: I'm not talking.

1259
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 4: I don't care. Like everybody's looked at poorn, it doesn't matter.

1260
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 5: That's boring.

1261
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 4: But do you have a story involving anything with like

1262
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 4: library accidental? Like is there anything like embarrassing that either

1263
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:42,959
Speaker 4: happened to you or anybody you knew?

1264
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 2: I have a story?

1265
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 3: Okay, so I dude, try to uh groom me on

1266
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 3: the internet and I read about it for broom You yeah,

1267
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 3: like you know, like try like a clearly an adult

1268
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 3: man like found my profile and tried to like come

1269
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 3: on to you. Yeah, okay, and like it was like, hey,

1270
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 3: let's talk on the phone. My grandma was watching me,

1271
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 3: and it's like I don't know, sure, nice. Yeah, And

1272
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 3: so like he called like said some creepy stuff, and

1273
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 3: I honestly did not know what he was talking about,

1274
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 3: and so I kind of was just like I don't.

1275
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 2: Know, like that's weird.

1276
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 3: I wrote about it for this recording, which is an

1277
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 3: intertro website that I worked on with Molly Lambert years

1278
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 3: and years ago, so it's on there the full story.

1279
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 3: It's not super it's a little creepy, but it's not

1280
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 3: I'm not the creepy and I'm like the naive, like

1281
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 3: I don't know what do you want me to do,

1282
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 3: sir in this scenario.

1283
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 2: So he kind of like realized I did not know

1284
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 2: what he was talking about and kind of.

1285
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 3: Like this speared and was like don't tell anybody. But yeah,

1286
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 3: so I was almost the victim of some some real

1287
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 3: creepy stuff.

1288
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 2: Wow, I got nothing. I got nothing like that.

1289
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 4: The only thing that I can point to that is

1290
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 4: I think it just speaks to. It's so specific for

1291
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 4: this time, and I'm going to tell you this is me.

1292
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 3: Yes, sorry, sorry, I forgot I apologize. I remember his

1293
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 3: screen name? Oh really yeah, his screen name was hot Umbros.

1294
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 4: If you were really a comedic mind football, right, I know. No,

1295
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 4: the only like real story that's just like of this time,

1296
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 4: that is just it's super embarrassing, but I'm just gonna

1297
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 4: roll with it because this is of this shows.

1298
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 5: It's a show about honesty.

1299
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 4: Is I remember coming across on AOL or probably in

1300
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 4: a browser that like, oh there are websites with women

1301
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 4: not wearing clothing, and I came across a shot of

1302
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 4: I probably couldn't even remember the name if I thought

1303
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 4: about it, but somebody in Playboy, a playmate of some

1304
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 4: kind human most likely, and I remember coming across its like,

1305
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 4: my friends are never going to believe me that I

1306
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 4: found this, But I'm not going to send it to

1307
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,919
Speaker 4: them because then they'll get in trouble. So I don't

1308
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 4: want them to come over. I don't want my computer

1309
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 4: privileges taken away. So I very quickly printed the picture

1310
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 4: as any respectful fourteen year old would do. Printed the picture,

1311
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 4: folded it into like eights, you know, and like put

1312
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 4: it under some sort of not furniture, but like a

1313
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 4: wooden chest or something that was in my room. And

1314
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 4: at some point in the next couple of weeks I

1315
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 4: probably forgot about it, and my mom was in my

1316
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 4: room looking for a book and like move the chest,

1317
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 4: and the folded picture fell from underneath the chest and

1318
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 4: it fell onto the ground, and my mom opened the

1319
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 4: piece of paper with me sitting right there, and it

1320
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 4: was just a black and white print out of a

1321
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:36,439
Speaker 4: playmate that I was that I printed out to show

1322
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 4: my friends how expert I.

1323
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 5: Was at the Internet.

1324
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 4: And my mom looked at the picture and I will

1325
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:45,479
Speaker 4: it is etched into my brain, scarred into my brain,

1326
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 4: something like these look like rice bowls. This is not

1327
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 4: what women look like. And I was like, I need

1328
01:01:55,880 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 4: to implode onto myself right now, Mom, please leave forever.

1329
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 4: As my mom was discussing fake books with fourteen year

1330
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 4: old Dan, Yeah, I did not point quite like that.

1331
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 3: I can tell an embarrassing ri not not that love

1332
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 3: love embarrassing. But when I was g seventeen or eighteen,

1333
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 3: I was an Emo fan. Obviously I had friends who

1334
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 3: were Emo kids. They were like, hey, you should sign

1335
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 3: up for Makeout Club, which is aren't familiar with. They

1336
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 3: got club. It is a yeah, it is a as

1337
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 3: you can probably figure out a punkin Emo themed. I

1338
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 3: guess online dating slash friend thing like me with friends here,

1339
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 3: it's cool. And so I was back in New York.

1340
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 3: It's just like my first summer. I would have been eighteen,

1341
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 3: my first summer back from college, and so like my

1342
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 3: friends were in Boston, and so I was like, yeah,

1343
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 3: I'll do this whatever. I started talking to this girl.

1344
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 3: I don't think I told the story on the Emo Show,

1345
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 3: but it's Emo Show related. I started talking to this

1346
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 3: girl and she's like, oh, do you like STD And

1347
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 3: I was like, no, that's awful, it's gross. And then

1348
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 3: she was just like you don't and I'm like, what

1349
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 3: are you talking about? And she's like, oh, save this yeah,

1350
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh yeah, I like say this today.

1351
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 3: But then I was so embarrassed that I ended the conversation.

1352
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 2: There's no coming through my account.

1353
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 3: I just also bleeded my account and everyone back on

1354
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 3: the side.

1355
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 5: Again faked your own death. Yeah, that'll makes sense at

1356
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 5: the end of this.

1357
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 2: So one thing that we did not mention not to

1358
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 2: take too hard of a turney AOL forty hour free CDs. Yes,

1359
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 2: the whole idea of CDs is madness in twenty total madness.

1360
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 2: But we can't talk about this era of the internet

1361
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 2: without talking about the forty three hours that you get

1362
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 2: from AOL. Of course, how people would hoard those CDs.

1363
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 2: I had friends who would have eight ten different screen

1364
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 2: names because they were somehow able to acquire that many.

1365
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 2: And you could get on the internet for free for

1366
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 2: an extended period of time just using CDs that were

1367
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 2: sent to you, that were sent to friends that grandparents

1368
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 2: couldn't use anything. Were you a forty hour free CD

1369
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 2: kind of guy?

1370
01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 5: At some point? Yeah?

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01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 4: I use those, I eventually know. But we we had

1372
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 4: an AOL account we you know, I don't know if

1373
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 4: it was unlimited at that point. There's certain number of

1374
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 4: hours you get, I think.

1375
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 3: To the point where it went from being like an

1376
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 3: hourly thing, so you can get this unlimited limited Prodigy Actually,

1377
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 3: remember when we got our first computer, Prodigy gave us

1378
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 3: like a year for free. Like they were like, we

1379
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 3: have this incredibly long period of time.

1380
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 5: Where that zero was always for free.

1381
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you couldn't use it for like, you know

1382
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 3: more than a certain number of hours a week, but

1383
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 3: it was free for like an extended period of time.

1384
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 2: Was anyone to hear on Juno, Yeah, a little bit.

1385
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:32,120
Speaker 5: I dabbled.

1386
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 3: I was aware of Juno, but I never used it.

1387
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 3: Was it also did like aol or Prodigy buy Juno

1388
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 3: at something.

1389
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 2: I think prod I want to say Prodigy bought merged

1390
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 2: something I know somebody did, but I was aware of it.

1391
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 2: It was it was an interesting concept. It wasn't It

1392
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 2: wasn't a bad concept. It was it would dial up,

1393
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 2: pull down your email, disconnect all did just an email service.

1394
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 3: That would dial up get it just kind of like

1395
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 3: Crimson tie like they would just that's right, just trying

1396
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 3: to forget the message.

1397
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 4: And then that was.

1398
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 1: That was all once.

1399
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 4: So earlier today, I asked Twitter, what do you remember

1400
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 4: most fondly about the late nineties Internet?

1401
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 3: And you may it is so different talking about this

1402
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 3: era of my life that I'm so fond of in

1403
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 3: the past. Yeah, and thinking about Twitter now, that is

1404
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 3: this awful thing that's so bad. It just disappeared from

1405
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 3: the Internet. At least this thread of the fans of

1406
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 3: solid verbal are great. Yes, of course, the people who

1407
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 3: are in my mentions.

1408
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 4: Right, they are bad, They're probably bad, but they might

1409
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 4: have some similarly good memories. Yes, so I asked people,

1410
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 4: what do they what do they remember most fondly. I'm

1411
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 4: not going to go through all of these, but stop

1412
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 4: me when any of these jump out to that we

1413
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 4: haven't mentioned. First of all, multi CD installation, please insert

1414
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 4: disc four of seven madness.

1415
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 3: I remember using like playing like hard Ball three for

1416
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 3: the people and having like this like weird like copy protection,

1417
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 3: like go to page seventy three of the manuals sentence

1418
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 3: for a line two or.

1419
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 2: In the middle of a game where you come to

1420
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 2: a critical stage, please insert disc three for sure, you

1421
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 2: know it couldn't all fit on once, one CD, two CDs.

1422
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 4: A lot of people mentioning the AOL dial up sound, which,

1423
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 4: by the way, if you weren't supposed to be online,

1424
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 4: would totally blow up your spots to your parents because

1425
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 4: all of a sudden you're like, yeah, I know my

1426
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 4: homework that that was the word, but also kind of great.

1427
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 4: A lot of people talking about different games. We have

1428
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 4: a snowd reference in here.

1429
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 3: I would I would play a student like the snude

1430
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 3: characters would haunt me in my sleep. Yeah, they could

1431
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 3: see them.

1432
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 4: You can't play a little bit of snuode. No, a

1433
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 4: lot of bit of snuod. I've got some ASL references, which, yeah.

1434
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 3: Did you ever actually ASL someone?

1435
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 5: Absolutely? Absolutely.

1436
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 2: I don't think I felt like that's what you were

1437
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 2: supposed to do. Yeah, that's why I did it, because

1438
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 2: it just seemed like it was the thing.

1439
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 1: It was.

1440
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 2: That's right.

1441
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 4: It was a salutation people remembering aspect ratio jump, not

1442
01:06:57,040 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 4: aspect ratio, but resolution jumps and their monitors very oh.

1443
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:02,440
Speaker 3: Sure, I remember going from EGA to VGA.

1444
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 4: Of course, somebody is very so Seth is like going

1445
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,520
Speaker 4: from ten twenty four to seven six by seven sixty

1446
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 4: eight after eight hundred by six hundred, big, Just it

1447
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 4: is not Seth Throsenthal. Unfortunately, a lot of Napster references,

1448
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:20,400
Speaker 4: a lot of uh oh, we got dancing baby, Yeah, sure,

1449
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 4: one of the original.

1450
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 2: Flying toaster, Yeah, screensaver.

1451
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:26,880
Speaker 3: What I played yesterday? Was you mentioned the Buddy Holly video.

1452
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:30,880
Speaker 3: I played the Ski game, the Windows Ski game that yeah,

1453
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 3: oh yeah, the Bear that h Yeah.

1454
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 4: We've got a couple in Karta references. Yeah, the pre

1455
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 4: I mean, so some of this was a good one.

1456
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 4: Discovering Cliff's Notes like summaries of most books I had

1457
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 4: to read in English. I think it was Baron's Notes

1458
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 4: or pink Monkey something like that I definitely utilized or.

1459
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 3: Pink Monkey like gues are not like two relatively similar things.

1460
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 5: Not at all, but good for pink Monkey for differential.

1461
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1462
01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:01,480
Speaker 4: So we got with some win ampso I s Q references.

1463
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 4: If aim was to mainstream.

1464
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 3: I had a seven digit ICQ number that was, I believe,

1465
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 3: reasonably rare. Okay, I feel like I, like, you know,

1466
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 3: most people had like an eight eight digit number, Like

1467
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 3: it was like it was an order of when you subscribe,

1468
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 3: when you downloaded it. I'd use it like once every

1469
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:19,559
Speaker 3: year and a half and I'd be like, oh, remember

1470
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 3: all these people. I have an ICQ and then I

1471
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 3: never use it again. I had a Microsoft Messenger as well.

1472
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:25,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys are.

1473
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:27,800
Speaker 5: I don't know if I ever used us that.

1474
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 2: I did.

1475
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:34,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's see just a lot of a lot of CDs.

1476
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 4: This is so great, a lot of modem references. We

1477
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 4: got a couple of under construction gifts. Oh this one

1478
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 4: spoke to me getting the newest versions of Coral draw

1479
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 4: and missed at Costco.

1480
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 2: Are you missed, guys.

1481
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 5: I was not a miss I was. I played a

1482
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:51,600
Speaker 5: lot of triple play baseball.

1483
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 3: Does that to play a lot of hardball? A lot

1484
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:55,559
Speaker 3: of fun paved sports baseball.

1485
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 2: There were some early versions of the n C Double

1486
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:01,680
Speaker 2: a video game series that you could play in the

1487
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 2: oh yeah, yeah, I definitely did that were a lot

1488
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 2: of fun. You could get the controller, the gravest game pad.

1489
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 4: I was knee deep into Gravis and I remember a

1490
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 4: buddy of mine got a cable card his tower Holpite

1491
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:17,919
Speaker 4: I believe, I don't know how that company is pronounced

1492
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:20,400
Speaker 4: Help whatever. It's in New York, and he put in

1493
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 4: a card in his tower and he could watch TV

1494
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 4: on his computer.

1495
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:26,639
Speaker 2: Yeah. That was That was sort of the white whale

1496
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 2: of the late nineties and early two thousands being able

1497
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 2: to do that.

1498
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 4: He would have one window of aim and another window

1499
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:37,879
Speaker 4: of like Roy Firestone, you know whatever he was watching,

1500
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 4: and it was it was mind blowing. Yeah, I I

1501
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 4: did in college because I saved room my college gateway.

1502
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 2: I got that.

1503
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 4: That was a big deal to me to have that

1504
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 4: TV and computer in one Yeah. Anything else tie that

1505
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 4: strikes you that that's personal to you about whether it's computers,

1506
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:03,040
Speaker 4: you used, it's people you spoke to, any weird emails.

1507
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:07,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was. It was just such a

1508
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 2: formative time.

1509
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 4: I got to college and I was on Morpheus, like

1510
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 4: our one, like American Pie two. Please, we're talking hundreds

1511
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 4: of kpps.

1512
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 2: I would like to go back in time and just

1513
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:22,800
Speaker 2: take a good look at like the transaction logs of

1514
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 2: all the weird things I downloaded, basically because I could,

1515
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of Limp biscuit on that list.

1516
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:33,680
Speaker 2: I saw a biscuit, baseball jersey, a couple of it

1517
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:34,680
Speaker 2: for you, thank you.

1518
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 5: Gotta haven't.

1519
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 2: I haven't downloaded LILYMP biscuit in a while, but yeah,

1520
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 2: just the ability to connect instantaneously with your closest friends

1521
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 2: was like a huge jump forward. And I'm always kind

1522
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 2: of amazed thinking back how quickly it took hold of

1523
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 2: our generation, because it really did just come on very quickly.

1524
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:58,680
Speaker 2: Before you knew it, everyone had it. It rewired our

1525
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 2: brains totally, sure, in probably a lot of negative ways,

1526
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 2: but also it was like the early foundation for what

1527
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 2: we have now, where we're hyper connected via text message

1528
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:13,200
Speaker 2: in Twitter and all that stuff. But Aim to me

1529
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:16,479
Speaker 2: was like the bedrock of a good five six years

1530
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 2: of my childhood. Well, for sure, it's impossible to imagine

1531
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:23,439
Speaker 2: college without Aim, and it's impossible to imagine what my

1532
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:25,559
Speaker 2: life was like before that, where it was like, Okay,

1533
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:27,639
Speaker 2: well I have ninety minutes on the computer today, I'm

1534
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 2: going to have to use that. And I can't google anything.

1535
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 2: I can't you know, I can't connect with people unless

1536
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:35,479
Speaker 2: they send me an email message like pre aim.

1537
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:37,800
Speaker 3: Like it just was not. It's unfathomable.

1538
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:39,960
Speaker 2: One of my lasting and pro I don't want to

1539
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 2: go to a dark place with this. But nine to

1540
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:44,719
Speaker 2: eleven happened when you're in college.

1541
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:47,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, it happened two weeks or like two days before.

1542
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:49,439
Speaker 3: I was supposed to go to Capolic. I drove up

1543
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 3: from New York to Boston. Four days after nine to eleven.

1544
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 4: For I drove La to Eugene.

1545
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:58,479
Speaker 2: So this was my sophomore year of college, started my

1546
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 2: sophomore year at college. And my lasting memory of that day,

1547
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 2: aside of everything else is horrible that went on that day,

1548
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 2: was looking on September the eleventh, two thousand and one,

1549
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:13,799
Speaker 2: that night after it all happened, at everyone's away message,

1550
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 2: because the world, the world was glued to the TV right, yeah,

1551
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:22,600
Speaker 2: and everyone had the same kind of a way message up,

1552
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 2: surreal awful, like no one knew what to say, but

1553
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:30,479
Speaker 2: that was their way to say it through AOL. No

1554
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 2: one was I aming because no one, no one was

1555
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 2: interested in that because it was so traumatic. But I

1556
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 2: just remember looking at the list of all my friends,

1557
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:40,120
Speaker 2: however many friends I had on the buddy list at

1558
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:43,599
Speaker 2: the time, everyone having an away message up, and every

1559
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 2: single one of them striking the same tune.

1560
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 4: It was seventeen years ago.

1561
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:48,439
Speaker 5: It's not all a different from Twitter.

1562
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:49,160
Speaker 2: No it's not.

1563
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:53,519
Speaker 4: It's not really hum all that far from away messages.

1564
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:55,240
Speaker 4: That's the actual problem.

1565
01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 2: No, of course, but that's my that among many other

1566
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:01,439
Speaker 2: joyful things, that's one thing that is just burned into

1567
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 2: my brain as like, wow, this is this is this

1568
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:06,720
Speaker 2: was this really was a bell curve of an emotional show.

1569
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 2: We're running the gamut here.

1570
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 3: Let me try and take it back to a friendler

1571
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:11,439
Speaker 3: note when it comes to him, let me tell you

1572
01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 3: a story about a con but I was I narrowly avoided.

1573
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:20,760
Speaker 4: So there's this notre dame middle lineback. Yeah right, really good, yeah,

1574
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 4: super super good. Anyway I start, we gets to talk him.

1575
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I was in college and it was like

1576
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:30,560
Speaker 3: two in the morning, and I was programming stuff for

1577
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:32,559
Speaker 3: my computer science class with my friend and we were

1578
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 3: like hour hungry, let's go to seven eleven. So he

1579
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 3: walked to seven eleven and me see this guy and

1580
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:40,439
Speaker 3: he tells us, Hey, you know, like I'm stuck in

1581
01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 3: Boston for the night, Like I'm trying to get back

1582
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 3: to Providence and I have one hundred dollars bill and

1583
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 3: I can't use that to pay for the bus. So

1584
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,599
Speaker 3: if you can just go to your ATM, take out

1585
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:52,800
Speaker 3: eighty bucks, which was good about the money for people

1586
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 3: who were in college. Yeah, money, and give me four twenties.

1587
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 3: I'll give you one hundred dollars bill, you get twenty bucks,

1588
01:13:58,320 --> 01:13:59,800
Speaker 3: I get to go home. It's a win win, right,

1589
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 3: And I'm like, there's too many variables in this, Like

1590
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 3: I don't think he's.

1591
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:06,639
Speaker 5: Thought this out too clear, right, Yeah, So you know we'd.

1592
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:08,639
Speaker 3: Like, sorry, buddy, can't help you. Go to seven eleven.

1593
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 3: Get you know, our our pepsi ones and our our

1594
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:13,400
Speaker 3: Mountain Dude code reds and go back and program, go

1595
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:15,600
Speaker 3: to sleep. Wake up at ten am. The first thing

1596
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:17,320
Speaker 3: you do every morning is check everyone's at a way

1597
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:19,599
Speaker 3: mess what's going on? And I checked my my other

1598
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:22,920
Speaker 3: friend Brendan's away message and it says, I can't believe

1599
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 3: I just got conned out of a no and pieced

1600
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 3: it together. He gave the guy, went to the ATM,

1601
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:32,720
Speaker 3: got the eighty bucks. Gave the guy eighty bucks, and

1602
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:34,639
Speaker 3: the guy was like, I'm going to go went into

1603
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:36,479
Speaker 3: my house, like one to my house, got the hundred bucks.

1604
01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 2: I'll come my back out.

1605
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:39,640
Speaker 4: And oh so he didn't even I was thinking he

1606
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:42,120
Speaker 4: had like a totally fake hundred dollars bill.

1607
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 3: No, he just was like, I'm gonna go in this house,

1608
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:45,960
Speaker 3: get one hundred dollars bill. I'll be her back out.

1609
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 3: And Brandon waited for like a half hour. I don't

1610
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 3: think this guy's coming back out unless oh wow, so

1611
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:53,640
Speaker 3: you could find out about a lot of things on

1612
01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:56,680
Speaker 3: am my front. That same guy, uh punched the other

1613
01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:58,719
Speaker 3: guy who I was talking about and broke his nose.

1614
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:02,240
Speaker 3: And I came back to a our shared apartment and

1615
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:04,679
Speaker 3: there was blood all over the wall, and I checked

1616
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:06,320
Speaker 3: my friend's away message and he was like, yeah, just

1617
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:09,000
Speaker 3: went to the hospitals. And I was like, oh, that's interesting.

1618
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:12,639
Speaker 2: Detective burn Well two and two together the scene. So yeah,

1619
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:13,000
Speaker 2: I mean it was.

1620
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:16,200
Speaker 3: It was the primary mode of communication until people really

1621
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:16,920
Speaker 3: had cell phones.

1622
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:18,320
Speaker 5: I miss it, I do.

1623
01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 2: I just sunset it not too well.

1624
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think at the end of last year, AOL

1625
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:23,479
Speaker 5: shut it down.

1626
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:24,840
Speaker 2: Man.

1627
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 3: It just like it feels like another universe, and it

1628
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:29,760
Speaker 3: does in a good way in a bad way. Like,

1629
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 3: I do appreciate being able to talk to people I

1630
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:35,479
Speaker 3: care about more frequently and not being emotionally dependent upon

1631
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:40,120
Speaker 3: someone messaging me on AIM when they their icon turns black.

1632
01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:44,000
Speaker 3: But I I do think that it was simpler in

1633
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:44,719
Speaker 3: a way that I found.

1634
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:47,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, it one percent made it easier for me to

1635
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:50,400
Speaker 4: socialize and nice well for sure, Like I would talk

1636
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 4: to people on AIM and then suddenly seeing them at school,

1637
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:56,840
Speaker 4: You're like, oh, yeah, remember we were talking about whatever, missus, whoever,

1638
01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 4: the English class, blah blah blah, and all of a sudden,

1639
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:01,639
Speaker 4: it's just like it broke down walls.

1640
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:05,559
Speaker 2: There were online friends of mine, people who I went

1641
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:07,760
Speaker 2: to high school with who I didn't interact with it

1642
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:10,920
Speaker 2: all in person. So I did, but I'll let me

1643
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 2: be clear. There are people that I went to high

1644
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:16,920
Speaker 2: school with with whom I communicated solely through a shadow

1645
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:21,600
Speaker 2: friend essentially essentially, Yeah, I didn't really have any relationship

1646
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:24,840
Speaker 2: with these people outside of just hey, what's up online?

1647
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:28,280
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean it was definitely a different time.

1648
01:16:28,439 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 2: We're essentially carrying aim with us now. Yeah, yeah, of

1649
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:34,439
Speaker 2: course a text message, but there was there was a

1650
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:37,800
Speaker 2: simpler component to There were at least some barriers with

1651
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 2: that where if you're away or if you're offline, they

1652
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:43,720
Speaker 2: can't reach you, whereas now that's not exactly the case,

1653
01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:46,640
Speaker 2: but it was a precursor to a lot of what

1654
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:47,200
Speaker 2: we have now.

1655
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 4: I am even though it has rewired our brains. I

1656
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:53,120
Speaker 4: am so much happier that I grew up, like my

1657
01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:56,000
Speaker 4: formative years were late nineties instead of now. It's so

1658
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 4: much better totally.

1659
01:16:57,720 --> 01:16:58,600
Speaker 5: So that's all I have.

1660
01:16:59,560 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 2: Anything else?

1661
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:07,760
Speaker 3: Still looking for that girl who No, I'm very very

1662
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:09,560
Speaker 3: happily dating someone and now we talk like we have

1663
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:11,599
Speaker 3: an entire relationship where she lives in DC like here,

1664
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:13,720
Speaker 3: like we most of our conversations are on.

1665
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:17,479
Speaker 4: G chat or yeah Skype and you openly now know STD.

1666
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:19,760
Speaker 4: I know you talk STD with your girl friend.

1667
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 2: Yeah all the time. Yeah, we practice safe listening to

1668
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 2: save today.

1669
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:25,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, safe listening to save the day.

1670
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:28,840
Speaker 2: Why don't we leave it at that. Yeah, together, this

1671
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:31,479
Speaker 2: has been very fun. We we have to up the

1672
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:34,240
Speaker 2: ante again next year. I don't know how. We don't

1673
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:36,880
Speaker 2: know what next year. I really I don't know how

1674
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:39,360
Speaker 2: we do that. But we have a full year to think.

1675
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:42,360
Speaker 5: Body stuff, just everything that's right and wrong with our bodies.

1676
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:44,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's always has to be nineties body stuff.

1677
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:46,240
Speaker 4: Nineties body stuff.

1678
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:50,519
Speaker 2: Okay, all change is like for you walk me through

1679
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:52,439
Speaker 2: year to years again. You're making the pubes and but

1680
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:55,240
Speaker 2: again which I don't appreciate listening. That's how I communicate

1681
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 2: Bill Barnwell, thank you always stopping all by Dan Rumerstein.

1682
01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:01,639
Speaker 2: I'll see you soon. Yes, sir, my name's Ty Hildebrand.

1683
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:04,559
Speaker 2: Thanks again for tuning into the solid verbal. Write us

1684
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:07,560
Speaker 2: at soliverble dot gmail dot com. Write us at solidverbal

1685
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 2: at gmail dot com. Let us know what you think,

1686
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:12,080
Speaker 2: what's on your mind, what happened to you in the

1687
01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:16,000
Speaker 2: nineties Internet era. In the meantime, we'll talk college football

1688
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:18,839
Speaker 2: a few days from now. Stay solid, peace, Goodbye,