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Speaker 2: But like it reminded me that when we started this thing,

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Speaker 2: Bopper Nickelodeon Star, and you were cocky af you were hockey.

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Speaker 3: What's up, guys, you're listening to Potter Rebellion. This is

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Speaker 3: Taylor Gray, Ezra Bridger, Spector six, and I'm here.

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Speaker 4: With Vanessa Marshall. I am Harrison Doula, the voice of

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Speaker 2: I am Tia Sercar, voice of Sabine Wren, Specter five.

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Speaker 1: And with us we have.

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Speaker 5: I'm John Ley Brody, voice of me nonspector, but the

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Speaker 5: full on moderator of this fine podcast. And today we

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Speaker 5: are going over season one, episode ten, Path of the Jedi.

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Speaker 5: Let's start the show. How is everybody so good?

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Speaker 1: I loved watching this episode.

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Speaker 5: This is a great one, a great another you know,

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Speaker 5: Canaan and Ezra bromance episode, but also character building. We're

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it is no, no, no, ask Morgan is

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Speaker 3: the next one?

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah next week? Yeah, next week?

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Speaker 7: How I can screw it up with the first thing?

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Speaker 8: I don't think. No, it's good.

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Speaker 3: It's because I wrote notes and I usually watched them

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Speaker 3: Where was that established? Like where do we first see that?

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Speaker 6: That's all just what that's all about?

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Speaker 2: I thought of war, War between world what is it?

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Speaker 6: That's the new Spielberg movie coming out this summer.

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Speaker 5: Here comes the recap for season one, episode ten, Path

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Speaker 8: Wow.

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Speaker 7: Wow, yes, that might have been.

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Speaker 8: The best one yet.

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Speaker 2: We have a Paul Kowelio, a Nathaniel Hawthorne reference three

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Speaker 3: This is great culture and it's fine. It's Nathaniel Hawthorne.

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Speaker 5: He's a very prominent author. So did you ever watch

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Speaker 5: That's very profound.

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Speaker 2: You've read Nathaniel Hawthorne because you went to like public

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Speaker 6: And this is a very Ezra heavy episode.

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Speaker 5: And I know, Taylor, when you and I first met,

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Speaker 7: Yeah, two people could be a club, that's right.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not going to say rightfully so, but is

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Speaker 4: It's like nothing can stop you. Like you said there,

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Speaker 3: If it has a blaster, I don't like if you

440
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Speaker 3: gave that to a stronger Jedi, they would be I mean,

441
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Speaker 3: I'm still trying to figure out in Star Wars what

442
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 3: a blaster means because he handed over to star Stormtrooper

443
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:46,240
Speaker 3: and they a blaster means nothing.

444
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Speaker 7: You might as well be throwing rocks.

445
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Speaker 1: We error.

446
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean the fact that it's a blaster

447
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 3: and a saber is just cool.

448
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:58,879
Speaker 2: And and it's origin story. I had forgotten the origin

449
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 2: story of your black your blaster slash lightsaber until rewatching

450
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 2: this episode, and I was.

451
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,199
Speaker 1: Like, oh, that's so cool.

452
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 2: That's cool that like each of us had a part

453
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 2: in helping you create it, or each of you know,

454
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 2: the members of the Ghost crew, and like you made

455
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Speaker 2: that thing, and I had forgotten how how it came

456
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Speaker 2: to be.

457
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Speaker 6: Does it have a name, Lucille.

458
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Speaker 10: J I wonder, oh, no doubt, I'm sure it does.

459
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Speaker 7: When they sell it at that Toys R or Target,

460
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Speaker 7: I wonder what it says.

461
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Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, Pablo, let's go Glass their saber.

462
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 7: I don't know.

463
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,960
Speaker 3: I just think it's so fun and obviously, like spoiler

464
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 3: when he gets the second one, I think the first

465
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,120
Speaker 3: one's so much cooler and.

466
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Speaker 1: It's one of one, like nobody else has that.

467
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,400
Speaker 2: It's really cool. I will admit it is a very

468
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:56,199
Speaker 2: cool weapon.

469
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Speaker 7: We have a concession. It is very coolest lightsaber. And

470
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 7: you have to say dark s.

471
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 1: It's a dark saber, but it is the coolest.

472
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:12,400
Speaker 6: It's the dark Yeah, pretty awesome the most.

473
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 7: It looks the coolest for sure.

474
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,679
Speaker 2: It's so cool. And also it has like a cool

475
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 2: club of people who have wielded it.

476
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Speaker 1: I would say, I don't.

477
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Speaker 7: Know about that.

478
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,880
Speaker 1: It's exclusive. It's exclusive. It feels you know, it's special.

479
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. Okay, we can talk about that another time.

480
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Speaker 5: I can't wait till we get sam Wit We're on

481
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 5: and then we can have a whole dark so like

482
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 5: just that's going to be coming at some point and

483
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 5: oh yeah, okay, my favorite, my personal favorite. Yeah, like

484
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 5: I'm not saying this is the best one. You can

485
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Speaker 5: take it what you will. My personal favorite is Gungee's

486
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 5: lightsaber from Clone Wars the wood Panel one because I.

487
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:53,360
Speaker 6: Was like, oh, this is so googling.

488
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Speaker 5: Googling, I might have, but I love the hybrid element

489
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Speaker 5: of as results I never school. Yeah, because I love

490
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 5: wood paneling. I love the old jeep wagoneers and old

491
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 5: station wagons, and I love wood panels. I've always loved that,

492
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 5: and that's one of the things Freddy and I bond

493
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 5: over because we both are obsessed with station wagons with

494
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Speaker 5: wood paneling.

495
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:13,880
Speaker 6: Like it's like our dreams.

496
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, well he's got yeah, he's going through is his

497
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 5: uh his Japanese sports car phase right now.

498
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 10: But I said, one day.

499
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 5: We're going to have matching station wagons with wood panels,

500
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 5: and everybody's gonna make fun of us.

501
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 6: We won't care.

502
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: Because it's very cute, that's very sweet.

503
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Speaker 6: It's goals. It's definite of us.

504
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Speaker 7: I oh my Google of Judges. Lightsaber.

505
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,199
Speaker 3: I then continued on shout out to game rant just

506
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Speaker 3: the I just put the coolest lightsabers and Star Wars

507
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 3: obviously ranked down. Uh as it's on there, the pistol

508
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 3: hilted Lightsaber twenty two here, But then they have what

509
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 3: do you call it, the Inquisitors on there.

510
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 7: I don't know where.

511
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Inquisitors, Yeah, way down way down, No, no.

512
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 3: No, sorry, it's going from like, yeah, thirtieth to first.

513
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: Okay, so what's number one? Let's get Massage ventures please.

514
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, Grand Inquisitor nine, not know like Theano's curved.

515
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 1: Hilt seven, okay, okay.

516
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 3: Luke, Skywalker's Green five, the Unique Mandalorian Dark Saber four, four,

517
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 3: Darth Maul's double.

518
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 7: Three col Castus damage. I don't know what this means, Custus.

519
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 10: Wait is that?

520
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 3: Wait?

521
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 2: If that were summed even Vanessa and John, then it's

522
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:35,400
Speaker 2: a deep dive.

523
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 10: Wait is that clone warsaw.

524
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 3: Padawan Turn Jedi Knight during the Rain of the Empire,

525
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 3: Explore through Star Wars Jedi Fallen Order j C. You know.

526
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 10: That's from the game.

527
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 7: That's historic.

528
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 3: Skywalker, SA, you have to that's fine.

529
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Speaker 1: Delight that the Dark Sabers top five.

530
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 7: I agree, I agree, it's cool. I think that.

531
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Speaker 2: Yours should be I mean, as you should be higher

532
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 2: than twenty two.

533
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: Come on, and for sure with Tricy said that's eight,

534
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 1: it's fair. What did they call yours Pistol Sabers.

535
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 7: It's still hilted lightsaber.

536
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 2: It's still hilted lightsaber. Sounds pretty badass.

537
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 7: I like Lucile.

538
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 2: It's easier shorter. I also sorry to uh change the

539
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 2: subject a little bit. I feel like I don't know

540
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,479
Speaker 2: if I have properly given Jason Isaacs his flowers on

541
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 2: this podcast yet for being like have I have we

542
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 2: discussed like how deliciously evil and diabolical he is, Like,

543
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 2: he's just a great great It is really great because.

544
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 5: It really rises to the forefront in this episode, especially

545
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 5: because you can get him in small doses.

546
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Speaker 6: We talked about is his putting game? I know that.

547
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 2: Oh yes, sure, I don't mean Jason Isaac's being diabolical.

548
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 8: I mean.

549
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 3: Visitor.

550
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 2: Sorry I should I should be specific. I just mean

551
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 2: he's so like, you know, you've seen him in one

552
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 2: million things and he's fantastic and everything, but man, he's

553
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 2: just so deliciously diabolical.

554
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 7: It's so good.

555
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,959
Speaker 3: I have an image in my head that, like your

556
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 3: first impression of anyone, it's hard to what do they say?

557
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 3: It takes so many hours to rewrite the first fifteen

558
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 3: seconds to me someone and it's.

559
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 7: Like, do you remember this?

560
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 3: When he first came in, he was like, oh, what

561
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 3: a joy it is to be in the booth and

562
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 3: we were like, yeah, yeah, for sure. Why and he

563
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 3: was like, well, because I'm only record under. Do you

564
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,959
Speaker 3: remember this? He said, under? Because I don't know how

565
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 3: to record anything. So anytimes someone said this how they recorded,

566
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 3: I was always like, Okay, what are they doing. He

567
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 3: said that he would sit under his dining table in

568
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 3: the UK. Well, his kids are running around, and he

569
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 3: would put a duvet over the table like a little cave.

570
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 7: And he's like, I would just sit there with my

571
00:27:59,080 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 7: pad and read.

572
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 3: So he goes, this is so fun, and I was like,

573
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 3: I remember just going like this big like scary man

574
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 3: being like under kids while he recorded under his dying tale.

575
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 3: And I thought it was so sweet and it always

576
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 3: sort of like tickles me because I think of it

577
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 3: every time.

578
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 7: I think of it.

579
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 2: I love that you shared that. I don't recall that,

580
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 2: but I'm glad that you. I'm glad you do because

581
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 2: that is very The visual of that is very.

582
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 4: Sweety remote remote recording. I guess the pandemic made that normal.

583
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 4: But before the pandemic, I had to or I got

584
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 4: to host special Olympics and I was at Emerald City

585
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 4: Comic Con with James Arnold Taylor and I said, how

586
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 4: am I going to make a recording studio.

587
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 10: He came in, he turned my couch on its side.

588
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 4: And took the duvet cover, and I did all sorts

589
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 4: of remodeling, and then I think he put a mattress

590
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 4: on the other side. And I just remember the person

591
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 4: who came in to clean the room, like open the

592
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 4: door and went not right, and she left.

593
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 10: But I just sort of left it in that construction.

594
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 4: But yeah, that's not quite as an adorable story.

595
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 10: But it's just we do what we got to.

596
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 4: Do, got to you gotta do this, and it is

597
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 4: lovely to be in a studio where you don't need

598
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 4: to do any of that.

599
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 8: Yeah.

600
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, we had a very comfy in that studio because

601
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 3: we often recorded in the same studio at the.

602
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: Same studio, La Center, La Studios.

603
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 3: But we had this like back area to John that

604
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,719
Speaker 3: was like very like an l so super spread out,

605
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 3: and every now and then we were recording one of

606
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 3: the other boots and it just wasn't the same.

607
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 8: Yeah.

608
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 7: Did you guys feel that?

609
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 4: Oh?

610
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: Totally.

611
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 2: Every time they were like, oh today you're in studio four,

612
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 2: and I'd be like, what.

613
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: But what about Yeah?

614
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 2: What about?

615
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: Yeah?

616
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 2: I feel like we I mean, it felt like it

617
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 2: was after a while. Yeah, like it felt like it

618
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 2: was ours and anytime. There was just a couple of

619
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 2: times that we recorded elsewhere and it was like felt

620
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 2: a little discombobulating because we I mean, it was so

621
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 2: regular for us. We were recording once a week, right

622
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 2: or yeah, yeah, so, and it was just like a

623
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 2: lovely experience. You would show up, Lindsay, our producer would

624
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 2: greet us, there's snacks in the kitchen, just a cozy

625
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 2: sweet you know, like seeing your friends, you know, after

626
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 2: the week you had or whatever. It was just at

627
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 2: it was a really nice what a nice time we had.

628
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 4: Also, I want to give you a character a shout

629
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 4: out in this episode when you know we're talking about

630
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 4: Ezra's lightsaber and what everyone gave. I just I love

631
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 4: seeing Sabine just rattle off technology and this and that,

632
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 4: Like she's just so I mean, obviously there's the artistic side,

633
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 4: but there's the munition side. Like I just I'm like, yes,

634
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 4: I love that.

635
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: So cool.

636
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 2: I just learned. Yeah, I love it too. I when

637
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 2: I did prottle off those whatever ba bat and I'm like,

638
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 2: I don't know what any of it is, but she's

639
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 2: so smart and so cool and she's so young, Like

640
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 2: I would forget how young she was when we started,

641
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 2: because she's capable and so you know, experienced and unflappable

642
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 2: and she just knows her stuff. And yeah, when when

643
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 2: when we get to those moments where she's like up up,

644
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 2: up up, and it's all you know, just like she

645
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 2: can do that stuff in her sleep, I'm like, oh,

646
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 2: she's so cool.

647
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 10: She really is.

648
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 3: But it's funny though, because she's so I guess, so

649
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 3: much more capable than Ezra in the sense that like

650
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 3: they are only a few years apart, right, but like

651
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 3: never does anyone go she's a kid.

652
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 7: Although I really loved I didn't remember.

653
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 3: Like a few episodes before this when she's like give

654
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 3: me more responsibility, like I do everything I'm told, like

655
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 3: keep me.

656
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 7: In the loop of everything.

657
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 3: That was the first time I ever realized, like, oh, yeah,

658
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 3: she is younger than them. But it's just funny when Ezra,

659
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 3: like you see in this episode, his fears manifest and

660
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 3: it's always about being this kid and being like left

661
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 3: out of that. But with so being she's so capable,

662
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 3: and I feel like the opposite of Ra in that sense.

663
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's also kind of like like life

664
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 2: experience right like you, you, as Ezra had have had

665
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 2: to I mean, you've had like a well, I think

666
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 2: they've all had a rough go.

667
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: Of it find out by the end of the series.

668
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 2: But you know, you have your insecurities stem from a

669
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 2: very obvious place. And and and we don't know yet

670
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 2: fully what Sabines insecurities are and certainly not where they

671
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 2: stem from really until you know further, you know, into

672
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 2: the series.

673
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: But I think when it becomes a parent, you go, oh.

674
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 2: Okay, I see why she has, Like she doesn't let

675
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 2: her insecurity show very much if she can help it,

676
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 2: but she when when they do, you you and once

677
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 2: you learn why, you go, oh, that's why she is

678
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 2: so like like those few episodes back where she's like,

679
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 2: I just you know, don't treat me like I'm a kid.

680
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 2: I can do this, like, give me some more responsibility,

681
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,719
Speaker 2: give me the information I want to know, and Harrah's like,

682
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 2: you need to pump the brakes and take it easy.

683
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think it.

684
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 2: Just makes sense as knowing where Ezra comes from and

685
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 2: what he's dealt with in his life, in his young life,

686
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 2: and similarly, like Sabine's experience was very different and that's

687
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 2: why her insecurities lie elsewhere, I think.

688
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: So it's all, it's all really fascinating.

689
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 3: One thing that I want A thought that popped up.

690
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 7: We're not unaware.

691
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 3: When you go to conventions, you talk to a bunch

692
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 3: of fans of the shows, and one of the common

693
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 3: things you hear is people are like, first season, like,

694
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 3: I wasn't really sure, and then it got going, and

695
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 3: I like, I've started to just parrot that's People like,

696
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 3: when how's the show?

697
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 7: And I'm like, first season little and then it gets.

698
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 3: Gone, I don't know, And then watching this, I'm like,

699
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 3: what are you talking about?

700
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 7: This is sick.

701
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: I agree.

702
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 7: I was like, this is.

703
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 3: So good so fast, Like I was she expecting it

704
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 3: to take a while one because of like the consensus

705
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 3: on it, but too just like I know where it goes,

706
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 3: so I'm like, oh, it's going to take a bit,

707
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 3: but I'm I'm all lan.

708
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 4: I also, yeah, at the beginning of the episode, when

709
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 4: you're trying to find the temple and he says, we

710
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 4: have to be careful, careful because the Imperials probably know

711
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 4: where all these temples are, and they you know, they

712
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 4: could be soon to arrive. That really put me in

713
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 4: the timeline of Order sixty six and where this all.

714
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 4: I mean, it just it made the stake so much higher.

715
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 4: And I think that's why I was so riveted by

716
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 4: what happened in the Temple. I was, please, please, you

717
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 4: got to come through, man, like I knew you were

718
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 4: going to. But I loved that I was so invested

719
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 4: and freaked out, and that I hadn't seen this. That's

720
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 4: another I thought I had seen all of them, but uh, yeah,

721
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 4: it's just I'm almost glad that I hadn't seen this

722
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 4: one because I could really just plug into all that.

723
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 4: But I thought very much it ignited in that moment

724
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 4: that all eyes are on you, and I mean, if

725
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,959
Speaker 4: that takes a minute to get going, no, dude, we're

726
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 4: on fire. The time is now, Like that was a

727
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 4: big deal.

728
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's very indicative of Star Wars. Even when

729
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 5: you watch a new Hope the opening scene, you already

730
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,720
Speaker 5: feel like this is part of a much grander story,

731
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 5: which of course is by design by George. Like George

732
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 5: loves those action serials that are always part of a

733
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 5: bigger story, cliffhanger endings, and you're getting the sense of

734
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 5: that with this episode. But also It's like the ven

735
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 5: diagram kind of became a circle here between the legacy

736
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,439
Speaker 5: stuff from George and then this new world that Dave

737
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 5: was building and with all of you, because Yoda kind

738
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 5: of bridge in that gap, and then the use of

739
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 5: a lot of the original Williams score. I mean, the

740
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,959
Speaker 5: Kinder always kills it every single week, but you heard

741
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 5: a lot of the classic music here, like even Yoda's

742
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 5: theme and then Luke Skywalker's theme is it gets to

743
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 5: the temple. But then at the same time, like as

744
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 5: Ezra realizes his why, the music shifts a little bit,

745
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 5: and it's so subtle, but once you once you hear it,

746
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 5: you can't unhear it. Yeah, and then hearing you Taylor

747
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,720
Speaker 5: and Tia talk about your characters that way, it's really

748
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 5: cool to hear it from the two of you. Because

749
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 5: I always viewed Ezra and Sabine is like the two

750
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 5: prodigies on the ship, kind of like if Doogie Howser had,

751
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 5: you know, people that he had to compete with in school,

752
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 5: it probably would have been the two of them. But

753
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 5: the emotional maturity of Sabine's a little further on than Ezra.

754
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,919
Speaker 5: I think Sabine knows her why, and she's exploring the how.

755
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 5: But up until this point, Ezra didn't know that. But

756
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 5: now he's going to lean in, and that's when that

757
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 5: gap between Ezra and Sabine starts to shrink a little

758
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 5: bit because they're starting to get on the same wavelength.

759
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 6: But this was like the genesis of that a little

760
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 6: bit which I thought was really.

761
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 7: She starts responding. She starts responding to him when he's okay.

762
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: So just a little bit.

763
00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 5: She doesn't leave you on red on on the eye

764
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 5: message anymore.

765
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, Yeah, I like that.

766
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: I liked a lot.

767
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 5: There was another subtle a Ladin reference in this too,

768
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 5: when you're on the fan, when Ezra and Canan are

769
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 5: on the phantom and Ezra repeats like, oh, this is

770
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,280
Speaker 5: what you want and he goes, oh, he can be taught,

771
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 5: And that was what the genie told to me. Yeah, yes, he.

772
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 6: Can be taught.

773
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 5: So this space of Ladin thing is very very much alive. Yeah,

774
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 5: with that line of dialogue, Wow, good.

775
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 1: Call, good catch, good catch.

776
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, Taylor, one question for you, because this is like

777
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 5: the evolution of Ezra's like emotional arc to the best

778
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 5: of your recollection, Like, after doing this episode, did you

779
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 5: feel like this opened up something different in your performance

780
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 5: as an actor, because like this was being open up

781
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 5: for Ezra.

782
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 6: Uh.

783
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 5: I know, it's like a I don't making you go

784
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 5: back like ten years, but it's interesting to me because

785
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 5: once you've it's like an open world video game. Once

786
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 5: you uncover that uncharted territory, there's kind of no going back.

787
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 5: I'm just wondering if that dictated any of your choices

788
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 5: going forward.

789
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 3: It's funny because, like I openly say, my memory is

790
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 3: not the greatest thing, but the memories that do stick

791
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 3: out are the ones that have like an emotional.

792
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 7: Attachment, you know what I mean.

793
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 3: And for me, the emotional attachment was always with the parents. Oddly,

794
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 3: and I don't know what that says about me, but

795
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 3: I do remember all of those scenes and how every

796
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 3: time I understood more information about them and those emotional moments,

797
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 3: it did feel like an unlocking, Whereas oddly this watching it,

798
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 3: it would make sense that this would have been Yet

799
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 3: that doesn't stand out to me weirdly in the journey,

800
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 3: and I would probably have to psychoanalyze that further to

801
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 3: figure out why. But that always felt like this was

802
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,399
Speaker 3: already latent within him. Whereas like the stuff about his parents,

803
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 3: I feel like he just really had no idea at

804
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 3: all and what to do with that, and as he

805
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 3: got that information, he started to make sense to him.

806
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 3: So whereas this, I think, like you said, at the

807
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 3: very beginning, there was a fear that maybe he wasn't

808
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 3: good enough for But he also there's that other thing

809
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 3: of like maybe I am deserving him greatness and there

810
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 3: don't I don't know, Like it's like that feeling before

811
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 3: basketball game in high school, being like, well I could

812
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 3: score fifty five points.

813
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 7: I'm like, I'm not gonna.

814
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 9: Do it, but I probably could, but meat and so

815
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,760
Speaker 9: I remember more exactly that sort of thought of going

816
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 9: in like I mean, he doesn't necessarily expect me to succeed,

817
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 9: but at the same time, like I'm built for this,

818
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 9: you know what I mean.

819
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 3: So it didn't it didn't necessarily affect me as much,

820
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,280
Speaker 3: I guess looking back as the stuff with his family,

821
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 3: and therefore I think all this stuff with the ghost

822
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 3: and how important they are to him, I think, to me,

823
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 3: that always meant more in my like character arc.

824
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 5: I like that it's almost like the way you phrase

825
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 5: it like that, and thank you for that tailor, almost

826
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 5: as if as we're up to this one was almost

827
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 5: maybe semi haunted by this gift he was bestowed, like

828
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 5: because he didn't have to do with it, almost like

829
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 5: we talked about good Will hunting before, Like Will hunting.

830
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 5: He never asked to be this genius and he doesn't

831
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 5: because he doesn't know what to do with it.

832
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 6: He's like, I just.

833
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: Wanted this therapy, wasn't.

834
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and so are we. I think Ezra is

835
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 5: basically Will Hunting of the Star Wars universe. Let's just

836
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 5: say that.

837
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 2: And along those lines, I as you were talking about it, Taylor,

838
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 2: and you're talking about you know, like going out and

839
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 2: thinking there is a chance I could score fifty.

840
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,760
Speaker 6: Five before, you know, like double nickel.

841
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 2: But I just I just and I say this with

842
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 2: love and admiration, so I please know that. But like

843
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 2: we it reminded me that when we started this thing,

844
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 2: you were a little baby teenager. You were like a

845
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 2: little Tandy Bopper Nickelodeon star, and you were cocky af

846
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 2: you were hawky, Like I feel like you have matured

847
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 2: quite a bit in the time that I've known you,

848
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 2: and you've allays like you've always been a really thoughtful,

849
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 2: cerebral person but I feel like so much of that

850
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 2: like and cocky, not in a in a there was

851
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 2: no like it was very sweet and like like that

852
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 2: sort of teenage boy like kind of energy. And I

853
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 2: think that that brought I think that element of who

854
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 2: you were at the time I feel I mean, I've

855
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 2: never talked to Dave about this, but I feel like

856
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 2: you and like.

857
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 3: He goes, he goes, don't watch you any more stars

858
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 3: and just keep that spirit. He's like, you don't know

859
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 3: that when you're going up against Vader, you'll be like, well,

860
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 3: why can't I shoot Vader then? And he's like, that

861
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 3: is one hundred percent what we want. When he's on

862
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 3: the thal, he's like, no one can stop me. And

863
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:41,879
Speaker 3: when he goes out in space, he's like, why would

864
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 3: it change?

865
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 1: Right?

866
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 4: Right?

867
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 6: Right right?

868
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 3: And that was with Dave, like every time we'd just

869
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 3: be like leaning harder on that and I'm like, is

870
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 3: that like a little annoying?

871
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 7: And he's like, no, lean harder.

872
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 2: But just that element that was in you in a

873
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 2: very sweet and kind of like adorable way of this

874
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 2: like kind of kind of cocky personality, I think like

875
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 2: added so much to who Ezra was, and that gives

876
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 2: Ezra also like a place, like a starting point that

877
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:14,439
Speaker 2: then he sort of grows and matures and progresses, and

878
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 2: we should get to see that journey through four seasons

879
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Speaker 2: of the show.

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Speaker 3: And the one thing I'll add to on that is

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Speaker 3: I think Freddy was hit to it because Freddie had

882
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Speaker 3: a tra director that he was very familiar with then knew,

883
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Speaker 3: and he I remember certain things you would say to

884
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Speaker 3: me where you'd.

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Speaker 7: Be like trying to turn the dial on me a

886
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Speaker 7: little bit, like.

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Speaker 3: A little less or like a little more, and I

888
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 3: remember being like, oh, this is kind of fun, you

889
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 3: know what I mean? And so I would sometimes push back,

890
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Speaker 3: sort of manufactured to see what sort of reactions.

891
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Speaker 7: That could get with it.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I know exactly what you mean, and so

893
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Speaker 3: does Dave, because that was like the main thing Dave

894
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Speaker 3: said to me.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, Yeah, love that.

896
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Speaker 5: Well, one of these things we're going to have to

897
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Speaker 5: get your former coach, star Kevin Durant on here and

898
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Speaker 5: talk about you scoring fifty five points, because uh, I love.

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Speaker 7: The only thing he will admit is that I beat

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Speaker 7: him in a half court. You can call this. We

901
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Speaker 7: both had five half cour shots and I hit two.

902
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Speaker 6: Oh here it is, So do you hear that? Katie?

903
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Speaker 6: Until we I think.

904
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Speaker 7: It's on DVD extras or something like that. Oh well, listen,

905
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Speaker 7: there's video video footage. I'm not just like making this out.

906
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Speaker 5: If I'm going to claim fair use if we use

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Speaker 5: this as a social clip, because I would love to

908
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Speaker 5: have like a like a slit screen so we can

909
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Speaker 5: show you so much hate.

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Speaker 1: Also a fellow Longhorn, just for anyone who's interested in that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, there we go, Well everybody, I think, if

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Speaker 5: there's nothing else, it's time for our other favorite part

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Speaker 5: of the podcast, just fact check with our boy JC.

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Speaker 6: What do we got today?

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Speaker 11: Okay, what do we have today? You guys talked about

916
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Speaker 11: the kyber Crystal coming to Ezra. Where did that originate?

917
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Speaker 11: How did that happen? What was the idea with that?

918
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Speaker 11: I think the first time you ever heard kind of

919
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Speaker 11: about crystal anything was in Return of the Jedi. Luke

920
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Speaker 11: used like a little space heater in Obi Wan's hut

921
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Speaker 11: to make his own kyber crystal. But the first time

922
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Speaker 11: that it is ever like sought after and discovered by

923
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Speaker 11: a Jedi was on the planet Ilum, which was from

924
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Speaker 11: the Clone Wars. The Gathering, which was season five, episode six,

925
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Speaker 11: although Ilum first appeared in a novel called Jedi Quest

926
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Speaker 11: Path the Truth in two thousand and one, so that

927
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Speaker 11: was significantly before the Clone Wars came out, and then

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Speaker 11: again in two thousand and four Star Wars the Clone

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Speaker 11: Wars micro series chapters fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, featuring the planet

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Speaker 11: Ilum with Padme. She's wearing that like classic snow bunny costume,

931
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Speaker 11: but we don't. It has nothing to do with Jedi

932
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Speaker 11: or Kyber Crystal. And then the first time we ever

933
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Speaker 11: hear about Kyber Crystal is actually an Allen Dene Foster's

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Speaker 11: Splinter of the Mind's Eye novel that came out in

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Speaker 11: nineteen seventy nine, but that had nothing to do with

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Speaker 11: Lightsabers or the Death Star. It was all about a

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Speaker 11: crystal that like enhanced the Force. It made it like

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Speaker 11: more powerful. It was like steroids for the Force. So

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Speaker 11: there's a little bit about Kyber Crystal. Something I noticed

940
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Speaker 11: in this episode when Ezra and Canaan are fighting the Inquisitor,

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Speaker 11: they go into slow motion.

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Speaker 8: There's there's slow motion in the in the show.

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Speaker 11: And I had had an interesting talk once upon a

944
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Speaker 11: time with somebody who worked at LucasArts who was trying

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Speaker 11: to get slow motion into the video games of Star Wars,

946
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Speaker 11: and the people in charge said Star Wars doesn't use

947
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Speaker 11: slow motion, and he said it does in Empire Strikes

948
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Speaker 11: Back when Luke goes down into the Dark Side Cave

949
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Speaker 11: to face off against Darth Vader, who actually ends up

950
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Speaker 11: being his own work, you know, his self.

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Speaker 10: Spoiler alert, spoiler alert.

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Speaker 11: For yeah, almost a fifty year old movie. Spoiler alert

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Speaker 11: stats that they go into slow motion there. So slow

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Speaker 11: motion is in the visual language of Star Wars when

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Speaker 11: a character is going through an emotional journey, particularly Jedi,

956
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Speaker 11: having to deal with emotions and fear and the dark Side.

957
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Speaker 11: So it was pretty cool to see that visual language

958
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Speaker 11: repeated here in this episode of Rebels. Taylor, you mentioned

959
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Speaker 11: Joseph Campbell. Just a little background on Joseph Campbell for

960
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Speaker 11: people who are like, what are you guys talking about.

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Speaker 11: He wrote a book called Hero with a Thousand Faces,

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Speaker 11: where he's that his book is kind of the origin

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Speaker 11: of the hero's journey. You hear so much in Hollywood

964
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Speaker 11: the books I must read for basically everybody. But if

965
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Speaker 11: it's a little bit thick or dry, which it can be.

966
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Speaker 11: There's a great PBS series which was actually taped at

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Speaker 11: Skywalker Ranch with Bill Moyers called Joseph Campbell and The

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Speaker 11: Power of Myth, which is a six hour series chopped

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Speaker 11: up into one hour parts, and ye, it was all

970
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Speaker 11: taped at Skywalker Ranch, and then at the back end

971
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Speaker 11: of it, as like bonus features, Bill Moyers talks about

972
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Speaker 11: Star Wars with George Lucas and connects George what George

973
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Speaker 11: is talking about to all the stuff that Joseph Campbell

974
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Speaker 11: talks about years and years before about the history of myth.

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Speaker 11: I think if you into that, you want to go further.

976
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Speaker 11: There used to be a traveling exhibit called Star Wars

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Speaker 11: the Magica Myth that started in nineteen ninety seven at

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Speaker 11: the Smithsonian Museum and then hit like I think eight

979
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Speaker 11: other museums, traveling across the country. It wrapped up in

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Speaker 11: two thousand and three. There's a great companion book that

981
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Speaker 11: you can probably find on eBay about that. It had

982
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Speaker 11: Star Wars costumes like see three pos costume and all

983
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Speaker 11: these different costumes and then the little background on how

984
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 11: those like Darth Vader's helmet connected to Japanese samurai helmets.

985
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 11: And things like that really really cool. There's also a

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Speaker 11: two thousand book called Star Wars and the Power of

987
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Speaker 11: Myth that just if you're like, I don't want to

988
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Speaker 11: think at all, it's just like Obi Wan Kenobi is Merlin,

989
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,280
Speaker 11: Luke Scott Walker is his character.

990
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 8: Like, it's just like flat out tells you, so, wait,

991
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 8: what'd you say?

992
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 4: That was?

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Speaker 11: Also, we talked about Ezra's lightsaber. The while never confirmed,

994
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 11: the popular thought amongst everybody is that Ezra incorporated his

995
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Speaker 11: slingshot into the lightsaber.

996
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 1: Hill That's what it looks like.

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00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 11: Yeah, so that's kind of like where did Ezra's slingshot go?

998
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 11: It's part of his lightsaber. And that's kind of While

999
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 11: never I don't think confirmed as canon, that's kind of

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Speaker 11: what everybody assumed.

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Speaker 7: If you say it's cannon at this point in mind,

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Speaker 7: you guys.

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Speaker 11: Talked about the best lightsabers tailor you looked up rancor

1004
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 11: whatever's best lightsabers. I'm gonna say that from a certain

1005
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Speaker 11: point of view, at a certain time in the episode

1006
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Speaker 11: one movie, when those doors open and Darth Maul hits

1007
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:09,280
Speaker 11: both sides of it is that moment was like a

1008
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Speaker 11: watershed moment for Star Wars fans, but I will say

1009
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 11: he's not the first person to have a double bladed lightsaber.

1010
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 11: It first appeared in the comic books and the Jedi

1011
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 11: Search novels with the character x R. Kohn, who was

1012
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 11: a Sith lord from the planet Or who died on

1013
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Speaker 11: the planet Yavin Four and all this stuff. His double

1014
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 11: bladed lightsaber was small though. It was like, it wasn't

1015
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 11: long like a stuff like Darth Mauls. It was just

1016
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Speaker 11: like kind of a one handed thing, which once upon

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Speaker 11: a time I was talking to Ray Park and he

1018
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Speaker 11: had said that initially Darth Maul's lightsaber was supposed to

1019
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 11: be a regular like twelve inch or whatever it is,

1020
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Speaker 11: eight inch lightsaber handle, and he requested the prop makers

1021
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Speaker 11: make it long so that he could spin it around

1022
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Speaker 11: his back and around his hand because the center of

1023
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Speaker 11: is more in the center.

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Speaker 8: Wow, you guys figured it out.

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Speaker 11: Calcastus is from the book the video game Jedi Fallen Order.

1026
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think didn't we play that in Nashville or

1027
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 4: I played it with Carly King? Yeah, sorry, I didn't

1028
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Speaker 4: remember going.

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Speaker 11: And then my last thing is Taylor, you talked about

1030
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Speaker 11: parroting the fan hot takes from conventions which is Rebels

1031
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 11: takes a minute to get going, but when it gets going,

1032
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Speaker 11: it really gets going. And you were like, that's not

1033
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 11: this feels like Star Wars out the Gate, John, you

1034
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 11: talked about Star Wars from the opening shot with the

1035
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Speaker 11: blockade runner. I just wanted to say, for anybody who

1036
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Speaker 11: doesn't know, George Lucas's famous direction that Carrie Fisher, Mark

1037
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Speaker 11: Hamill and Harrison Ford always used to tease him about

1038
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Speaker 11: was they would do everything and no matter what they did,

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Speaker 11: George Lucas's direction was faster, more intense, and I think

1040
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Speaker 11: Star Wars Rebels captures faster, more intense out the game.

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Speaker 6: I love that. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: That's great. You guys really both out did yourselves on

1043
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Speaker 1: this one.

1044
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 5: Jac and I have been colluding each week. How can

1045
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 5: we make it better? How can we make it better?

1046
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 5: Because you know, like we want to make sure we

1047
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Speaker 5: don't let anybody down.

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Speaker 1: So well, you've out done yourselves. Thank you.

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Speaker 5: That was great, Love it, Love it well everybody. Thank

1050
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Speaker 5: you again for listening and joining us each week for

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00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 5: our hangouts here. Remember rate subscribe. You can write to

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Speaker 5: us Potter Rebellion Podcast at gmail dot com. If you

1053
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Speaker 5: have fan art questions, fan theories, Uh, your favor, tell

1054
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Speaker 5: us your favorite lightsaber, yes, the exactly tell us your

1055
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Speaker 5: favorite lightsaber? And why is the dark saber we would

1056
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Speaker 5: love to get. Hopefully times new Roman twelve point five

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Speaker 5: Double Space Essays will be on the way with that.

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Speaker 5: And uh, jac it's it's fitting you mentioned the Jedi

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Speaker 5: Search novels because on the cover that is Linde cover is.

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Speaker 5: And in next week's episode we're discussing an episode who

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Speaker 5: may or may not the man with the many capes?

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Speaker 5: So but until then, Taylor, you want to send us out?

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Speaker 5: Who wants to send us out?

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Speaker 7: The music?

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Speaker 6: There we go.

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Speaker 5: Potter Rebellion is produced in partnership with iHeart Podcasts producer,

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Speaker 5: hosted by Vanessa Marshall, Tia Surkar, Taylor Gray, and John

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Speaker 5: may Brody executive producer and in house star wars guru

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Speaker 5: slash factchecker J C. Reifenberg. Our music was composed by

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Speaker 5: Mikey Flash. Our cover art was created by Neil Fraser

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