Speaker 1: Hey there, folks, it is Friday, January ninth, and yes,
Speaker 1: did he is sitting in prison, but things actually just
Speaker 1: got worse for him. And with that, welcome to this
Speaker 1: episode of Amy and TJ just got works, Robes, because
Speaker 1: he has very few options for getting out of prison
Speaker 1: and one of them apparently just went away.
Speaker 2: It's coming out of DC.
Speaker 3: Yes it is. And look, we have been waiting to
Speaker 3: see if President Trump would pardon or consider pardoning did he?
Speaker 3: This has been on the table from the get go
Speaker 3: before his trial, During his trial, after his trial, he
Speaker 3: has been asked. The President has been asked repeatedly, hey,
Speaker 3: would you consider pardoning?
Speaker 2: Did he?
Speaker 1: And he was asked one more time by the New
Speaker 1: York Times And this was the one and the reason
Speaker 1: we were hopping on given the update, Robes is because
Speaker 1: he gave an answer like he had never given before.
Speaker 1: And we're actually getting the most official, I guess response
Speaker 1: and confirmation that a request has been made.
Speaker 3: That's right. So Trump has revealed for the first time
Speaker 3: ever that did he actually sent him a letter asking
Speaker 3: for a pardon, And for the first time ever, we
Speaker 3: heard the President say he is not considering granting Diddy's
Speaker 3: request for that pardon.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's side.
Speaker 1: Look, his appeals are going on, and his lawyers are
Speaker 1: the best in the country and are making the best
Speaker 1: legal arguments. But if you were a betting man or
Speaker 1: a betten woman, and you were in Vegas and you
Speaker 1: put your money on which of these two is his
Speaker 1: best option, a lot of people might have put their
Speaker 1: money on a pardon from Trump.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And look, we have been hearing from him, and
Speaker 3: we'll get into some of the back and forth. But
Speaker 3: the President had not shut the door, and you were
Speaker 3: even saying, by the language he chose with the New
Speaker 3: York Times that he might have still left a crow
Speaker 3: open for the possibility perhaps in the future.
Speaker 1: Obviously, he I say, obviously, it's it's it's obvious to me.
Speaker 1: But we speak on Rose. He's the headlines are everywhere
Speaker 1: this morning, and folks will see them that say Trump
Speaker 1: says he is not going to pardon Diddyo, or Trump
Speaker 1: shuts the door on partning Diddy or all those things,
Speaker 1: and you could read it as such, but his language robes.
Speaker 1: He didn't say I'm not going to pardon this man.
Speaker 1: He chose his words carefully, and they could be true.
Speaker 1: I am not considering partnering him, which is a statement
Speaker 1: steeped in present moment, and.
Speaker 3: Not considering him doesn't say I'll never consider him or
Speaker 3: I won't consider him in the future. Just right now,
Speaker 3: I am not considering And he didn't say right now,
Speaker 3: but you could infer that that is a part of
Speaker 3: that sentence. And look this letter that we're hearing about.
Speaker 3: So when he tells the New York Times that he
Speaker 3: asked me for a pardon through a letter, obviously the
Speaker 3: next question from the New York Times is going to
Speaker 3: be can we see it? And in fact President Trump
Speaker 3: beat them to it. He said, oh, would you like
Speaker 3: to see that letter? He knew exactly that. Obviously, reporters
Speaker 3: have been chopping at the bit to try and find
Speaker 3: out where his head was. But now to be able
Speaker 3: to see a letter that did he wrote to the
Speaker 3: president to see where Sean diddy Combe's head is and
Speaker 3: how he asked him and what he said, that would
Speaker 3: be Reporter Gold.
Speaker 2: I don't know if we'll see it.
Speaker 1: It felt like one of the things once again that right,
Speaker 1: Trump is very good at dangling over the press and
Speaker 1: keeps our focus right there for a little bit. And
Speaker 1: I got the impression, Brob, do you tell me that
Speaker 1: this was a letter. This wasn't a legal letter, This
Speaker 1: wasn't something written by an attorney. This was from Diddy personally.
Speaker 3: It did seem that's what he the way he said it,
Speaker 3: it did sound as though Sean Didty Combs personally wrote
Speaker 3: President Trump a letter teasing the reporters, would you like
Speaker 3: to see the letter? So, of course the reporter said yes.
Speaker 3: But then they made it very clear in the article
Speaker 3: that President Trump in fact did not produce that letter
Speaker 3: for them. And then they said after the interview, they
Speaker 3: went back and they asked for a copy of the letter,
Speaker 3: or they asked the White House, could you even give
Speaker 3: us a description of its contents. We'll take that too.
Speaker 3: The White House just referred reporters back to his original
Speaker 3: comments that he is not considering pardoning Sean Ditty Combs.
Speaker 3: So they also tried to go through Ditty's lawyers. They
Speaker 3: too did not respond to a request for a comment
Speaker 3: about the letter. So they were just trying to get
Speaker 3: some corroboration or at least some idea of what Didty
Speaker 3: said in that letter.
Speaker 1: I know this is significant after what we saw last year. Alter,
Speaker 1: I mean this was the talk of the tier the year,
Speaker 1: at least from a legal standpoint.
Speaker 2: Was it not?
Speaker 3: Absolutely?
Speaker 1: It had implications of race, of the entertainment industry, power men, abuse,
Speaker 1: physical assaults, responsibility, corhersion. I mean, you keep going and going.
Speaker 1: It just had all of these elements to it that
Speaker 1: had the whole country talking, not just about some baby oil,
Speaker 1: but we were having real conversations about what this meant,
Speaker 1: and responsibility and friendships and who should step in and
Speaker 1: women and with the Stuart this was everything.
Speaker 2: So to think that the guy at the center.
Speaker 1: Of all of that might possibly end up walking out
Speaker 1: of jail way early is top of mind for a
Speaker 1: lot of people and relevant to the justice system. So
Speaker 1: to hear that one of his what some would say
Speaker 1: best options might be off the table, it does bring
Speaker 1: this to a level.
Speaker 3: It certainly does. So he loses what, yes, many would
Speaker 3: consider his best or easiest path out of prison, but
Speaker 3: a lot of us I mean, we mentioned it, but
Speaker 3: we didn't focus on it. Because it was on Christmas Eve,
Speaker 3: December twenty fourth, that Diddy's lawyer made that official appeal.
Speaker 3: So they appealed his conviction and they also appealed his sentence,
Speaker 3: so his attorney, one of his attorneys, Alexandra Shapiro, I
Speaker 3: thought this was interesting in the filing on Christmas Eve,
Speaker 3: this really is his last ditch, This is his last
Speaker 3: chance at getting out of prison. So in the appeal,
Speaker 3: in the filing, she called his sentence unlawful, unconstitutional, and
Speaker 3: a perversion of justice, and she asked the appeals court
Speaker 3: to consider two things. First of all, just to actually
Speaker 3: throw out his conviction entirely. But if the appeals court
Speaker 3: decides not to do that, they're asking for him to
Speaker 3: be re sentenced. And that's interesting because they are going
Speaker 3: after the judge in this case. They said that the
Speaker 3: judge did not properly follow sentencing guidelines when sending him
Speaker 3: to prison for fifty months that was his prison sentence.
Speaker 3: They actually used this word. They said the judge flouted
Speaker 3: new guylines and improperly considered conduct for which Combs had
Speaker 3: already been acquitted when they when the judge formulated his sentence.
Speaker 3: And we've talked a lot about this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the judge was I mean, the judge
Speaker 1: wasn't shy about it. He says, yeah, I know these
Speaker 1: things you weren't the more serious charges. He was not
Speaker 1: convicted of. He said, still I am. I think you're
Speaker 1: a bad dude who did some bad stuff, and I'm
Speaker 1: still going to consider stuff you were not convicted of
Speaker 1: in your sentence, which I mean, just from a lay person,
Speaker 1: sounds wrong. But I might not be legally wrong, but
Speaker 1: it sounds wrong.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: So in the filing, Diddy's attorneys said that the judge
Speaker 3: acted as a thirteenth juror exactly to what you're saying.
Speaker 3: So he acted as a thirteenth jurer in the case,
Speaker 3: and they called the sentence draconian. So they are going
Speaker 3: after this judge in a way that they haven't before
Speaker 3: because up until now they've been trying to appeal to
Speaker 3: that said judge.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was literally his judge. I mean, he was
Speaker 1: judging him on everything. So yeah, they were very kind
Speaker 1: to him and did he even have nice words.
Speaker 3: But he's been doing a fabulous job right right before
Speaker 3: the verdict. Yes, he was doing his best to try
Speaker 3: and butter him up. It did not work. Yes, because
Speaker 3: in September, just a few months ago, you remember, this
Speaker 3: was the other effort they were making to try and
Speaker 3: get him out of prison. They were actually appealing directly
Speaker 3: to that judge. They said, Hey, he was convicted under
Speaker 3: the Man Act. This was not an act that was
Speaker 3: intended for its current use. This is an act just
Speaker 3: steeped in racism, and this was not the original intent
Speaker 3: of the law, and it was applied to Diddy to
Speaker 3: get these longer prison sentences. The judge said, nah, too bad,
Speaker 3: so sad. So that didn't work appealing to the judge.
Speaker 3: So now they're appealing to a federal appellate court, and
Speaker 3: they're throwing the judge under the bus.
Speaker 1: Yes, appealing to an appellate court, but no longer can
Speaker 1: he appeal to maybe President Trump, who now seems to
Speaker 1: be saying he is not considering a pardon. But would
Speaker 1: you believe, folks, we have to go back, maybe I
Speaker 1: don't know, ten years to get the answer as to
Speaker 1: why did he isn't at home chilling in Miami right now. Yes,
Speaker 1: it has to do with his relationship with President Trump,
Speaker 1: and if he had just done a few things differently
Speaker 1: all those years ago, he might be home. Stay here,
Speaker 1: we'll explain, all right, We continue here on Amy and
Speaker 1: TJ on this Friday, January ninth, just getting word from
Speaker 1: President Trump that he is taking away at least one
Speaker 1: what some thought was a pretty decent option for getting
Speaker 1: out of prison for Diddy, which was a presidential pardon.
Speaker 1: President Trump telling the New York Times in an interview
Speaker 1: that he is not considering pardoning did He, even though
Speaker 1: he is now acknowledging did he did officially send him
Speaker 1: a letter asking for a pardon and robes He's going
Speaker 1: back and forth. We talk about how much he has
Speaker 1: kind of teased the press when asked a question about
Speaker 1: pardoning Diddy, and he has given some insights into their
Speaker 1: history and certainly into how he now views their relationship.
Speaker 3: Yes, we have so many quotes over the past several
Speaker 3: months from President Trump that were teasing where he might
Speaker 3: be leaning when it came to whether or not he
Speaker 3: would pardon Didty. But he did make it clear that
Speaker 3: they did at one point have a friendly relationship. He said,
Speaker 3: I'm going to quote the president here. I was very
Speaker 3: friendly with him. I got along with him great and
Speaker 3: seemed like a nice guy. I didn't know him well,
Speaker 3: but when I ran for office, he was very hostile.
Speaker 3: That is the key point here. So everything was good
Speaker 3: until twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2: Do you remember what did he said?
Speaker 1: There was something out there but I can't remember it
Speaker 1: being that harsh or maybe what he took it personally.
Speaker 3: He did take it personally. And I don't know the
Speaker 3: exact comments that Trump is referring to, but he says
Speaker 3: that Colmbs made some nasty statements about him at the
Speaker 3: time when he was running for president. He said that
Speaker 3: Combs used to really like me a lot, but that
Speaker 3: relationship busted up, and so here are a few other things.
Speaker 3: He said that we could read the tea leaves, but
Speaker 3: he always left open this possibility that he might consider it.
Speaker 3: So he said, I haven't seen him, I haven't spoken
Speaker 3: to him for years. I don't know. I would certainly
Speaker 3: look at the facts. If I think somebody was mistreated,
Speaker 3: it wouldn't matter whether they like me or don't. Do
Speaker 3: you believe that, No, I don't either, Because then he
Speaker 3: kept saying other things that belied that last statement. He said,
Speaker 3: after the ditty verdict, I had not heard this one before.
Speaker 3: Tell me if you did before. But President Trump said
Speaker 3: after did he was convicted of two of the lesser accounts,
Speaker 3: He said, well, he was essentially, I guess sort of
Speaker 3: half innocent. I know what they do still in jail
Speaker 3: or something, But he was celebrating a victory, but I
Speaker 3: guess it wasn't as good of a victory.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't remember that one. I don't at all.
Speaker 2: That did make a lot of head No it did not.
Speaker 3: But he said, we're human beings. We don't like to
Speaker 3: have things clout our judgment, right, But when you knew
Speaker 3: someone and you were fine, and then you run for office,
Speaker 3: and he made some terrible statements. So I don't know,
Speaker 3: it's more difficult, makes it more I'm being honest, makes
Speaker 3: it more difficult to do when it comes to partning someone.
Speaker 3: So to me, that was the point. He he and
Speaker 3: and I've thought about this when I read the headlines
Speaker 3: that Trump has now said he's not considering pardoning Diddy.
Speaker 3: You know, when you first go into the workforce, someone
Speaker 3: always gives you this advice. You meet the same people
Speaker 3: on the way up as you do on the way down.
Speaker 3: And if Diddy had just remembered that, maybe he'd be
Speaker 3: in a different position right now when he wrote that
Speaker 3: letter to President Trump, if he maybe just hadn't said,
Speaker 3: I don't know, made a comment about the political race.
Speaker 3: This might just be a warning. You never know, you
Speaker 3: never know whose help you're going to.
Speaker 1: Need lessons today from Diddy and Trump. But that is
Speaker 1: one hundred percent correct when you think of the possibility
Speaker 1: that Diddy could be home right now in that fifty
Speaker 1: million dollar home if he had just ten years ago
Speaker 1: not said anything about Trump running for office, or not
Speaker 1: said anything nasty about him running for office or supported him.
Speaker 1: Just it's incredible to maybe think about where he would be.
Speaker 1: And so, yes, that maybe that's the lesson.
Speaker 2: Just be careful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, the thing is you you imagine, I mean,
Speaker 3: you're someone like President Trump and you have people's freedom
Speaker 3: in your hands. You know, that is one of the
Speaker 3: incredible powers of the presidency that you have that ability
Speaker 3: no matter what someone's accused of, no matter what someone's
Speaker 3: been convicted of, you can set someone free, and if
Speaker 3: you have pissed off that person, Yeah, I mean, especially
Speaker 3: someone like President Trump. I'm not saying he wouldn't consider
Speaker 3: the facts. I'm not saying he wouldn't look at the
Speaker 3: case obviously in its entirety, but how someone made you
Speaker 3: feel as a human being is such a huge part
Speaker 3: of your decision.
Speaker 1: I thought it was an honest statement, and I thought
Speaker 1: he put it in not necessarily in Trump terms. He
Speaker 1: was almost humble in the way he was saying it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this guy hurt my feelings years ago, and I have
Speaker 1: to be honest, that still sticks with me. He said
Speaker 1: it in a way that I appreciate it, and maybe
Speaker 1: we're not used to.
Speaker 2: Hearing from him.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't you love to read that letter though?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you remember the letter he wrote to the judge.
Speaker 1: He had a long letter he had written to the
Speaker 1: judge around his sentencing time as well.
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's a good one.
Speaker 3: I'm sure it is too. But you know, also as
Speaker 3: a human being, when someone writes something to you that's flattering,
Speaker 3: that's kind, that's humble, that's even reflective. If they want
Speaker 3: something from you in return for that letter, it just
Speaker 3: doesn't read the same.
Speaker 1: But still, people like to be praised and honored and
Speaker 1: begged for things. People love to have power over others.
Speaker 1: So we'll see man, Glenn Maxwell's diddy. My goodness, that's
Speaker 1: the thing. I think a couple of rappers are even
Speaker 1: asking for a pardon. Why not? This is the best
Speaker 1: shot you got at it. Our folks just want to
Speaker 1: hop on and give you that update you have.
Speaker 2: The Morning Run will have that.
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