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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grece.

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Speaker 2: A modern day Romeo and Juliet.

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Speaker 3: Well, maybe back in Shakespearean times when a fourteen or

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Speaker 3: fifteen year old little girl goes missing and decides to

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Speaker 3: secretly wed her boyfriend, that's okay.

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Speaker 2: Not in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 3: There's no such thing as a Romeo and Juliet scenario.

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Speaker 3: With two teens that run away, that's okay. I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 3: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us

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Speaker 3: here at Crime Stories and on series sexem one eleven.

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about two teens. They're missing, they think they're

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Speaker 3: in love, but why are they running? What is compelling

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Speaker 3: them to leave their families, their school, their everything, eluding

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Speaker 2: What is it that they fear?

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Speaker 3: And what is going to happen to these two teens,

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Speaker 3: one as young as just fifteen years old? Again, this

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Speaker 3: is Crime Stories. I'm Nancy Grace, and I want to

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Speaker 3: thank you for being with us. Tipline five zero three

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Speaker 2: Take a listen to this.

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Speaker 4: The Klatsop County Sheriff's Office is requesting any information related

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Speaker 4: to the whereabouts of missing teens Jonathan Stockel and Penny Lyles.

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Speaker 4: Jonathan Stockel is eighteen years old with blonde hair and

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Speaker 4: blue eyes. He's five four love and weigh about one

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Speaker 4: hundred and fifty five pounds. Penny Lyles is fifteen, blonde hair,

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Speaker 4: blue eyes, five foot five and one hundred and twenty pounds.

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Speaker 4: The couple could be traveling in a gray nineteen ninety

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Speaker 3: A fifteen year old little girl a seventeen year old boy,

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Speaker 3: Both of them A students have never been in trouble before.

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Speaker 2: What is possessing them to run?

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Speaker 3: I want the answers as to where they are, Are

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Speaker 3: they safe, what has happened to the happening to.

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Speaker 2: Them right now?

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Speaker 3: And what on earth made them leave everything they know?

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Speaker 3: The mom, the dad, the sisters, the brothers, the classroom,

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Speaker 3: the friends, the pepper howeries, the football games, the straight A's,

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Speaker 3: the whole shebang to hide out.

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Speaker 2: Look, every family has issues, but for.

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Speaker 3: Your child to run away from home, stay way from

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Speaker 3: and somehow eluding law enforcement something is way way off kilter.

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Speaker 2: Listen our friends, Hey crime Online.

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Speaker 4: The teens left the Napa area together in a Grade

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Speaker 4: nineteen ninety eight Toyota four with Oregon plates. There have

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Speaker 4: been reports through social media that the teens are safe

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Speaker 4: and with family. This information is untrue. Authorities also say

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Speaker 4: Stockel may be worried about getting arrested, but they do

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Speaker 4: not have plans to arrest him at this time. If

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Speaker 4: anyone has information about Penny Lyles or Jonathan Stockel's whereabouts,

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Speaker 4: they are asked to contact Clatsop County Dispatch at five

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Speaker 3: So the boyfriend is the Friday's going to be arrested.

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Speaker 3: Remember he's a teen too when he takes off with

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Speaker 3: his fifteen year old girlfriend. There's so much more to

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Speaker 3: this disappearance of these two young teens and more from

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Speaker 3: Dave mac.

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Speaker 4: The Klatsop County Sheriff's Office is asking the public for

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Speaker 4: help and locating a teen couple that fled after a

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Speaker 4: meeting with family members turned into a confrontation. The couple

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Speaker 2: How are they living.

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Speaker 3: They're not using credit cards, they're not using Apple Pay.

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Speaker 2: They're literally on the run.

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about a fifteen year old girl and a

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Speaker 3: make sense of what we know right now and helping

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Speaker 2: Mister Stockhel, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 5: You're welcome, Thank you for doing this.

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Speaker 3: Mister Stockhel. First of all, let me understand something. See

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Speaker 3: I'm projecting. I'm projecting my own children, who have just

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Speaker 2: We're very very close family. We do everything together.

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Speaker 3: And yes there's ups and downs in every family, especially

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Speaker 3: when you're raising teens. But for one of them to

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Speaker 3: What is going through your mind every night when you

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Speaker 5: We just fear the worst. So we haven't slept much

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Speaker 5: You just fear the worst.

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Speaker 2: Mister Stockhol. First of all, tell me about your son.

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Speaker 5: Okay, he played every sport. He did track, basketball, Eye

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Speaker 5: coached a basketball team, they played baseball, football, extremely athletic.

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Speaker 5: You know, all his teachers have came We did a rally.

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Speaker 5: All his teachers came out saying he was great. That

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Speaker 5: He was in the Beta Club. Just we're a super

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Speaker 3: I'm looking at him right now and he just reminds

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Speaker 3: so he meets Penny Penny Lyle right and they I mean,

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Speaker 3: we all remember our first A lot of people call

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Speaker 3: it puppy love, but it's a kind of a love

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Speaker 2: In fact, I was just don't tell my husband.

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Speaker 1: I was just.

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Speaker 3: Talking about my high schooled boyfriend with my daughter when

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Speaker 3: I was driving her to school. No, I don't want

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Speaker 2: I mean.

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Speaker 3: Doctor Bethany Marshall. Doctor Bethany is a renowned psychoanalyst. You

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Speaker 3: can find her at doctor Bethanymarshall dot com. She's on

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Speaker 3: all sorts of TV programs, including Paris and Love Because

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Speaker 3: she's very sought out, doctor, Bethany. The first love is very,

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Speaker 6: The first love is so intense that both members of

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Speaker 6: share secrets with each other that they don't share with

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Speaker 6: being loyal to each other. And teenagers of fourteen or

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Speaker 6: have a sense that the relationship will end at some point,

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Speaker 6: that this is for a limited period of time. Maybe

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Speaker 2: And you know what, Bethany, they may not break up.

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Speaker 2: That's the thing you don't know.

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Speaker 3: There are a lot of high school flames that never

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Speaker 6: So this will they reconnect later in life. Life they marry,

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Speaker 6: their self dies and then they go back and find

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Speaker 6: each other. So there is something very profound, not only

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Speaker 3: It's really hard for I believe for adults to remember

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Speaker 3: what that was like. And I think that's part among

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Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 3: To mister Stockel, this is Jonathan's dad. They've got a

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Speaker 3: beautiful family, and Penny Lyle has her family lovely as well.

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Speaker 2: And I want to talk to you, Wayne.

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Speaker 3: Stockel, about when you realized that Jonathan is gone and

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Speaker 3: he's not coming back and he's basically on the run

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Speaker 3: with Penny. But first to Blaze Gomez joining US News

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Speaker 3: twelve lead investigative journalist, Blaze, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: How did this whole thing start?

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Speaker 7: See? This started when the family reached out to me.

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Speaker 7: They're originally from Gosh in New York here in Orange

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Speaker 7: County where I cover for News twelve, and they reached

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Speaker 7: out and said that their nephew and his girlfriend are

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Speaker 7: missing in Oregon and that they desperately needed help. At

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Speaker 7: that time, we realized that we were the only news

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Speaker 3: I mean, when you put two children out there and

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Speaker 3: Herrick joining US board certified juvenile lawyer, partner at Virgie Somerset,

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Speaker 3: Formal JUVENI prosecutor. Lisa at this age, I mean, when

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Speaker 3: to happen. How are they getting money, How are they

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Speaker 2: We don't know. Anything could happen to these two teams.

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Speaker 3: They're very, very misguided, and frankly, out in the big

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Speaker 2: Lisa.

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Speaker 8: You're exactly right, Nancy, And that's one of the fears

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Speaker 8: that I've had because in my experience, I've seen so

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Speaker 8: that they don't have a lot of resources. They don't

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Speaker 8: Most likely they're relying on other people to house them,

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Speaker 8: get gas if they're still driving, right, and so they

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Speaker 8: have to be relying on other people. And there's so

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Speaker 8: many people out in the world who have bad intentions

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Speaker 8: when they come across young ones who are in need

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Speaker 8: of help, that they could be really at the hands

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Speaker 8: of criminals. They could be truly in danger. And that's

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Speaker 8: true certainly of adults with bad intentions. But also there

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Speaker 8: is a wilderness, right The wilderness of Oregon is very

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Speaker 8: In addition to the fears we have of nefarious adults.

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Speaker 6: Anty briefly, they also forget that there are people at

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Speaker 3: Or you know, doctor Bethany, they may be afraid of

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Speaker 3: repercussions if they come back home. Wayne Stockhel, I'm not

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Speaker 3: understanding how this whole thing unfolded. I know that there

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Speaker 5: No, there was no family meeting. The kids were at school.

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Speaker 5: He said. They think Jonathan was saying he wanted to

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Speaker 2: Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on.

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Speaker 3: You're saying your son wanted to go to police, Yes,

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Speaker 2: Yes, reportedly by Penni's dad. Is that correct?

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Speaker 3: And I like to point out that Penni's dad vehemently

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, this falls into two categories. Sometimes teens

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Speaker 3: Them because I don't want to run away to the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it.

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Speaker 6: But in this case, I think that we always have

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Speaker 3: Well, the other thing is when you don't know a horse.

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Speaker 3: Look at the track record. These two have never been

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Speaker 2: Mister Stocker, what was.

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Speaker 3: Your thinking having your son move out of home to

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Speaker 5: When he left, I sent pictures, We took tons of pictures.

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Speaker 3: Why was it agreed he could leave home and move

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Speaker 5: He came to me, he said, Dad, this was do I.

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Speaker 5: He came to me, he said, Dad, I really want

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Speaker 3: I mean, did he have plans to go to college

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Speaker 5: We had plans to open a We were going to

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Speaker 3: Oh my stars, I'm just thinking of you standing in

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 5: When Johnathan asked me if he could go, I said, well,

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Speaker 5: I don't want to have to dorive all the way

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Speaker 5: So it was dry second or third, I can't sure

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Speaker 3: It was, Doctor Bethany Marshall, I mean, this is much

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Speaker 6: This is very serious. Nancy, and I can understand mister

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Speaker 6: And I don't think mister Stockel could have foreseen what

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Speaker 6: it would have been very hard to dissuage onnatent.

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Speaker 3: He is gonna turn eighteen, Bethany, when he turns eighteen?

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Speaker 2: What can the dad do? Lock him in the basement.

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Speaker 6: They can't do anything but really maintain attachments as closely

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Speaker 3: Oh, dear Lord in Heaven, there's just no good answer here. Okay, guys.

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Speaker 3: Then another wrinkle, Okay, the girlfriend, little teen girl, fifteen

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Speaker 2: All right, take listen to our cut team.

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Speaker 4: Jonathan Stockel is a junior and Penny Lyles is a

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Speaker 4: Ryan Lyles finds out his eighteen year old daughter is

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Speaker 3: So the dad believes the older sister may be using drugs.

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Speaker 3: His answer to that is, Okay, you're getting away from

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Speaker 3: Nee's twelve lead journalist. Using drugs give mean a lot

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 3: Okay, now I'm getting it. So that would have been

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Speaker 1: Meeting time stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: So Penny's dad.

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Speaker 3: Becomes afraid the older sister is used pot all right.

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Speaker 2: His answer to that is, you're moving. You got to

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Speaker 3: Clean, fresh start somewhere else. You're getting away from your friends.

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Speaker 3: I'm sending you to relatives in California. Then he gets

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Speaker 2: I need to talk to you.

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Speaker 3: In the meantime, Penny gets a text from her sister

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Speaker 2: He knows about the pot. This is what's happening.

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Speaker 3: Okay, now let me understand, Wayne Stockhol, does your son Jonathan?

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Speaker 3: It's so hard for a teen boy to talk to

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Speaker 2: Take close starcut four.

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Speaker 4: The message frightens Penny Lyles. Ryan Lyles alleges Penny Lyles

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Speaker 3: Let me ask Blaze Gomezer Wayne Stockhol what evidence supports

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Speaker 5: He told me personally, who told you? Ryan? Penny's follow

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Speaker 2: But why did he do that? If in fact he did.

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Speaker 5: There's so much more to this story. So Jhonathon and

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Speaker 3: We also learned that, according to reports on News twelve,

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Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 4: According to a report on News twelve, after police talked

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Speaker 3: Wlis Gomez, what can you tell me about a school

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Speaker 7: Right, Well, that's what Ryan Lyles told me during our interview.

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Speaker 7: Lyles had become abusive, and allegedly presented evidence to the

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Speaker 7: police that they were hoping would prevent them from having

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Speaker 7: to return home to mister Ryan Lyles's residence at that point.

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Speaker 7: Ryan Lyles claims that a school counselor let Penny out

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Speaker 7: of back door while he was waiting outside to collect her,

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Speaker 7: and that Jonathan was already outside of the school and

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Speaker 7: was told to leave. Mister Lyles claims that at that

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Speaker 7: point the kids escaped.

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Speaker 2: Well the situation becomes more severe. Take a listener Cut seven.

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Speaker 4: Jonathan Stockell's parents and Thayer, Missouri talked to News twelve

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Speaker 4: about their conversation and text messages with Jonathan Stockel. Stockell's

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Speaker 4: mom and his dad said they believed these ran away

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Speaker 4: because they're afraid of Ryan Lyles, claiming there's a history

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Speaker 4: of abuse. They feel their son is in danger and

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Speaker 4: say the last time they talked to him the day

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Speaker 4: they disappeared, he was running from people and was scared.

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Speaker 4: Wayne Stockel, Jonathan's father, says he was running in the

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Speaker 4: woods out of breath and said, Dad, don't call me.

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Speaker 4: They're going to find me and kill me.

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Speaker 2: Wayne Stockel, what happened?

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Speaker 3: Your son is running through the woods afraid he's going

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Speaker 3: to be killed.

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Speaker 5: Yes. And at the same time I was calling Jonathan,

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Speaker 5: I was calling Ryan, I was calling the police. I

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Speaker 5: was going from one to the other to the other.

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Speaker 5: Ryan kept saying he was going to kill Johnthon. He

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Speaker 5: said he would shoot Jonathan.

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Speaker 3: Well, Penny Lyles's dad, Penny's father, Ryan Lyles, told you

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Speaker 3: he was going to shoot your son.

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Speaker 5: Yes. And in the first set of texts that Jonathan

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Speaker 5: sent me where he said I'm going to we want

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Speaker 5: to go to the police, they said Ryan has a

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Speaker 5: house full of guns. I don't remember the exach text,

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Speaker 5: but it says Ryan that Penny's dad has lots of

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Speaker 5: guns in his house. So the fact that Ryan said

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Speaker 5: he was going to shoot him, and the fact that

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Speaker 5: Johnthan knew he had lots of weapons, so you know,

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Speaker 5: of course Johnson's running for his right.

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Speaker 2: What kind of vehicle are they inn? Do you believe

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Speaker 2: a rabo? What year?

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, let me go with that to either Barry

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Speaker 3: Golden joining US former senior respector US Marshall Service and

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Speaker 3: now owner of Golden Consulting Investigations.

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Speaker 2: Also with me.

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Speaker 3: Domingo Ramos, founder of Hope Alive eight forty five, is

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Speaker 3: a search rescue nonprofit dedicating dedicated to finding family members

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Speaker 3: and bringing them home. If he's in a RAB four.

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Speaker 2: What did you say ninety eight ninety eight?

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Speaker 3: Is there any kind of a NAV system in that

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Speaker 3: that we could use? Barry or Domingo?

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Speaker 9: I doubt it, it's too old. But Nancy, keep in mind,

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Speaker 9: do you have one key investigative tool right there in

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Speaker 9: that nineteen ninety eight Toyota Rev four with Oregon plates

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Speaker 9: five four seven HRL. You have license plate readers all

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Speaker 9: across the country that law enforcement use called LPRs if

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Speaker 9: they're not using their cell phones or any other kind

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Speaker 9: of digital media or this had the other. You've got

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Speaker 9: license plate readers all over the place, but they just

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Speaker 9: don't pop up by magic. Law enforcement has to go

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Speaker 9: in there and put that plate into the system and

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Speaker 9: see where the LPRs and Nevada and Missouri in New Mexico, Texas,

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Speaker 9: anywhere along that corridor where they were stopped, any kind

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Speaker 9: of fugitive case or missing person's cases, you're going to

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Speaker 9: start at where you know they were. We knew on

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Speaker 9: Friday eleven, twenty four, if ever twenty fourth, they were

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Speaker 9: in to Nopa, No Nevada. Okay, that's where the highway

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Speaker 9: patrol stops the vehicle. Jonathan's let loose. He's he's not arrested.

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Speaker 9: There's no war in the system. He's free to go.

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Speaker 9: They take Penny into custody, and then Children's Services has

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Speaker 9: her and they're transporting her and somehow she gets away.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, that happened in Nevada. Take a listen

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Speaker 3: to our friend Dave Matt and Cut twelve.

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Speaker 4: Two teens from Oregon were found by officials in Nevada

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Speaker 4: on Friday, but they didn't stay found. News twelve confirms

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Speaker 4: that the couple was pulled over by the Nevada Highway

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Speaker 4: Patrol in Tonafa. The case was then turned over to

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Speaker 4: the Night County Sheriff's Office. Officials say Penny Lyles then

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Speaker 4: escaped Division of Child and Family Services custody during a transport.

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Speaker 4: The Klatsop County Sheriff's Office says it is not substantiated

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Speaker 4: the allegations of abuse against Ryan Lyles. We reached out

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Speaker 4: to Lyles via Facebook, but no one replied. According to

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Speaker 4: Jonathan Stockel's father, Wayne, Jonathan was free to leave, but

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Speaker 4: wouldn't until Penny was in a safe place. Jonathan intended

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Speaker 4: to follow the transport back to Oregon, but Penny slip

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Speaker 4: custody by asking to use the bathroom during the transport.

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Speaker 4: It is believed that Jonathan Stockel was waiting outside in

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Speaker 4: the car and Penny got in the car and they

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Speaker 4: took off. Since the teens first ran away, they have

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Speaker 4: been spotted in Bakersfield, California, where Penny Lyle's paternal grandmother

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Speaker 4: used to live. They reportedly left the area when they

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Speaker 4: couldn't find her.

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Speaker 3: So let me understand this. Wayne with me is Jonathan's father,

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Speaker 3: Wayne Stockel. They were actually found in Nevada and then

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Speaker 3: Penny slipped custody.

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Speaker 2: Is that what happened?

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Speaker 5: Yes, And we spoke with the Nevada police, you know,

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Speaker 5: and we spoke with Jonathan and Penny, and we told

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Speaker 5: Penny that I had been talking with her grandmother, her

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Speaker 5: dad's mother, and that her grandmother said she could go there,

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Speaker 5: and they had license plate readers saying they had been

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Speaker 5: in California.

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Speaker 10: So I assumed that was who they.

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Speaker 5: Were trying to find. So when we told Penny that,

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Speaker 5: she was like, she went from crying to I will

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Speaker 5: go to Nanna's house right now, she said, Nana, So

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Speaker 5: I gave her the number. She called her grandmother. Her

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Speaker 5: grandmother said she would need her follow this permission before

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Speaker 5: she could go there. So Johnson and Penny called us

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Speaker 5: back from the police department, and Penny was extremely disappointed

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Speaker 5: that she could not go to the grandmother's house without

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Speaker 5: her dad's permission. Johnson said, Dad, I'm just gonna follow

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Speaker 5: them while they transport her, and I just will stay

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Speaker 5: with her until I know she's in a safe place

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Speaker 5: and then I will come home. He was free to leave.

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Speaker 5: Johnson said he was going to follow back Doorgon. I said, Johnson,

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Speaker 5: I don't want you to go back to Oorgon. He said, Dad,

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Speaker 5: I just care about Penny's safety. I'm not leaving until

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Speaker 5: she's safe. My son's auld protector, so look out for

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Speaker 5: his brothers and sisters. So that's why I know me.

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Speaker 10: They never wanted to come here because he didn't want

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Speaker 10: to bring everything here, and he said he was sorry,

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Speaker 10: but he just cares about her safety.

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Speaker 2: Mister stuckhole.

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Speaker 3: I've been looking through a series of texts and they're very,

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Speaker 3: very upsetting. If these texts are to be believed, then

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Speaker 3: Penny is running, according to her from abuse in the home.

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Speaker 3: I don't have enough information to know whether that's true

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Speaker 3: or whether that's something that she has fantasized, whether that's

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Speaker 3: an excuse she's using for running away with her boyfriend.

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Speaker 2: But I also know.

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Speaker 3: About other alleged threats, alleged threats by penny dad on

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Speaker 3: you and on your son. What can you tell me

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Speaker 3: about that?

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Speaker 5: I forward the text that Ryan sent us, don't sent me.

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Speaker 5: It's the only text that he sent me. Everything else

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Speaker 5: was on the phone. And just when we went to

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Speaker 5: the courthouse here, just from that text, they put a

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Speaker 5: protection order in place.

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Speaker 3: So you currently have a protection order in place against

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Speaker 3: Penny's dad.

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Speaker 2: Is that true?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 3: What are the threats you say he leveled against you

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Speaker 3: and your son?

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Speaker 5: He said that he was going to kill Jonathan. He

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Speaker 5: said he was going to shoot Jonathan.

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Speaker 3: I'm also looking at texts It seemed to be from

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Speaker 3: Jonathan between you and Jonathan. Jonathan call me, we love you,

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Speaker 3: and Jonathan responds, he said he was going to.

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Speaker 5: Shoot me Ryan told me he was going to shoot Counathan.

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Speaker 3: I want to go out to Blaze Gomez, who has

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Speaker 3: been covering this from the get gopherend he's twelve. I'm

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Speaker 3: looking at a text ostensibly from Penny's dad that says,

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Speaker 3: and I assume this is too, mister Stockel, we know

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Speaker 3: you're helping them. The last thing you need is us

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Speaker 3: in fare. I'll be there soon, watching your family and

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Speaker 3: looking for my kid. I have all your older kids

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Speaker 3: info as well. I will find Penny. You're a pile

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Speaker 3: of Okay, mister Stockel, you don't seem like a pilot

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Speaker 3: to me. You seem like a father that wants to

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Speaker 3: find his son. Hold on, wait a minute, this isn't all.

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Speaker 3: Jonathan is going to get in prison.

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Speaker 2: For being a pedophile. You keep helping in giving them info.

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Speaker 2: You be getting breed in prison too.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Jonathan is a pedophile. You must have at him

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Speaker 3: when he was a kid at your can't wait to

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Speaker 3: meet you.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: Now, if this is actually from Penny Lyle's father, I

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Speaker 3: get why she went on the run. Uh you're telling

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Speaker 3: me Wayne Stockhol that want to look at this and

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Speaker 3: a court debut of protection order.

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Speaker 2: Yes, okay, why is gems? What can you tell me?

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Speaker 7: Well, the family has given us a series of messages.

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Speaker 2: That peer to what family.

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Speaker 7: The Stockel family and the Lyle family have given us

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Speaker 7: several screenshots of text exchange exchanges and direct messages that

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Speaker 7: they've had with each other. The messages that you just mentioned,

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Speaker 7: Nancy were also given to us by the Stockel family,

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Speaker 7: you know, basically just making remarks that Jonathan is you know,

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Speaker 7: a piece of garbage, that he's an alleged pedophile, that

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Speaker 7: he should be shot, that he authorities kill him, that

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Speaker 7: he better not return to Oregon.

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Speaker 3: Wall Isn't this the same guy that offered for Jonathan

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Speaker 3: Stockel to.

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Speaker 2: Move with his daughter and move in with his family.

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Speaker 7: That is Yeah, Jonathan had been living in an apartment

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Speaker 7: on the family's property, according to Ryan when we spoke

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Speaker 7: with him last week. But he said that the couple

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Speaker 7: had dinner with their family every night and that Jonathan

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Speaker 7: was a part of the family and that's up until

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Speaker 7: this all went down two weeks ago, that they were

631
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Speaker 7: both model students, and that they didn't have any concerns

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Speaker 7: that Ryan Lyles did not have any concerns about his

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Speaker 7: children or their behavior.

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Speaker 2: Until now and all hell broke loose and all of.

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Speaker 7: A sudden, we're seeing these texts.

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Speaker 3: Yeah it taxts like that will get you a protective

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Speaker 3: order joining me Barry Golden and Domingo Ramos. Domingo Ramos,

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Speaker 3: founder of Hope Alive eight forty five, a search and

639
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 3: rescue nonprofit, Dimingo, what do we do now?

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Speaker 5: A lot of social media out there, outreach out there,

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Speaker 5: this coup of flyers out more.

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Speaker 10: They start pushing out more with John Nay, contact with

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Speaker 10: Joonathan and Benny.

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Speaker 9: I mean they can be anywhere right now, anywhere.

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Speaker 4: So I think our man heady is start really pushing

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Speaker 4: out on social media right now.

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Speaker 9: And the thing what I look at this case is

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Speaker 9: that you've got law enforcement from Oregon and then they're

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Speaker 9: spotted in Las Vegas, and now they may be in California.

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Speaker 9: This is a missing fifteen year old girl. What about

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Speaker 9: getting the federal authorities? Nobody has to get arrested on

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Speaker 9: this part, but how about locating a missing fifteen year

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Speaker 9: old girl who is a minor. She cannot get consent

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Speaker 9: to leave cross state lines out of Oregon. Okay, so

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Speaker 9: let's get the federal authorities to assist. Let's blanket, Let's

656
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Speaker 9: pull a full core press on this whole thing. Let's

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Speaker 9: get up their pictures in California, in Las Vegas and

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Speaker 9: Nevada and every state where they may be. Let's get

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Speaker 9: the federal authorities to assist, because they're one voice, the

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Speaker 9: US Marshalls, the FBI. Okay, they have offices and every city.

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Speaker 3: So basically, Domingo Ramos is right pushing this out. More

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Speaker 3: on social Barry Golden joining US former Senior inspector US

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Speaker 3: Marshals is right to get the fence involved since there

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Speaker 3: is essentially a child a minor in place, and Lisa

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Speaker 3: Herrick remind me I want to go back to Wayne

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Speaker 3: about any contact he's still having with Jonathan, Lisa Herrick,

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Speaker 3: A lot of people don't know about Romeo Juliet laws

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Speaker 3: that gives prosecutors a very wide discretion if they're going

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Speaker 3: to prosecute over teen sex, including if a fifteen year

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Speaker 3: old has sex with an eighteen year old. Many jurisdictions

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Speaker 3: have similar laws. So Jonathan I believe is safe from prosecution.

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Speaker 8: Yes, Nancy, I agree, based on what we know about

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Speaker 8: their ages. I'm not sure exactly when Penny turns fifteen,

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Speaker 8: but it seems like they are within the age range

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Speaker 8: that would generally be protected by Romeo and Juliet Romeo

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Speaker 8: and Juliette defense refers to it's an affirmative defense that

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Speaker 8: one could.

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Speaker 6: Use to.

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Speaker 8: State that what would otherwise be considered as statutory rape

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Speaker 8: or sexual assault of a child is not illegal because

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Speaker 8: they are so close in age. And this is true

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Speaker 8: whether both are juveniles, or if one is a juvenile

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Speaker 8: and one is a duel.

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Speaker 3: Right, it's basically decriminalizing teen sex anyway. I'm not advocating

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Speaker 3: or condoning teen sex, but I also don't want teens

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Speaker 3: to go to jail because they add to eain sex.

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Speaker 3: Wayne Stockel, I can only imagine what's running through your mind.

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Speaker 3: You want your son alive and safe, number one. You

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Speaker 3: want him to come home. Also, you're thinking, has he

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Speaker 3: ruined his whole life? Is he going to get prosecuted

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Speaker 3: when we do find him.

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Speaker 5: When the kids were at the police department in Nevada,

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Speaker 5: we did a rally here and they said that they

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Speaker 5: saw that rally on social media. I didn't ask them

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Speaker 5: how we were just I was just so happy they

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Speaker 5: were that my son was alive. I wish I had

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Speaker 5: asked them how they saw that rally. The rally we

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Speaker 5: had here, I called everybody. I said, let's do a

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Speaker 5: hashtag we love Jonathan and Penny so they know they're

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Speaker 5: not alone. So the town came together and we did

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Speaker 5: a big rally and we put.

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Speaker 6: That interject something yes jump in.

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Speaker 3: And also, do you think they have do you think

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Speaker 3: they have burner phones? That's the question I want to

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Speaker 3: throw out there right now. And Wayne Stockel, how do

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Speaker 3: you know your boys saw the rally?

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Speaker 5: He told me he did while he was in the

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Speaker 5: Nevada Police Department.

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Speaker 2: How long ago was that?

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Speaker 5: That was Saturday? We went to bed Saturday, right, I

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Speaker 5: believe it was Saturday. We went to bed for the

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Speaker 5: first time, me and my wife to sleep. We ate

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Speaker 5: dinner the first time because we just thought everything was over, thank.

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Speaker 2: God, and now it started all over again. Bethany, I

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Speaker 2: think it's.

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Speaker 6: Important to refocus that Penny and Jonathan believe that Penny

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Speaker 6: will be returned to the father, and they need to

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Speaker 6: know rallies aside and all of that, these kids are

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Speaker 6: panicked that she will be returned to an abusive situation.

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Speaker 3: I want to reiterate that Ryan Lyles, Penny Lyle's father,

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Speaker 3: denies any and all abuse. This is what I do know.

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Speaker 3: I do know that Penny Lyles is just fifteen years old,

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Speaker 3: just turned She's five five, one hundred and twenty pounds long,

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Speaker 3: blonde hair, blue eyes. Jonathan Stockel, since he left home,

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Speaker 3: has now turned eighteen. He's five eleven, one hundred and

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Speaker 3: fifty five pounds blondish brown hair.

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Speaker 2: With blue eyes. They are on the run.

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Speaker 3: They were last known to be in a ninety eight

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Speaker 3: Toyota RAV four with Oregan plates five four seven H

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Speaker 3: happy R Rebecca L. Louisiana repeat five four seven h

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Speaker 3: R L. The tip Line eight hundred seven eight six

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Speaker 3: twenty nine twenty nine repeat eight hundred seven eight six

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Speaker 3: two nine two nine.

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Speaker 2: Please help us bring them home alive. Good by friend,