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Speaker 1: I mean, doctor Bethany Marshall, what kind of a freak,

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00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: point it is probably a close over two hundred to

429
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty times. What's unusual about this case

430
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: is most times we see in Long Island. I can

431
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: speak for myself as well, we just simply hang up.

432
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: We just avoid. It's not worth the time and the effort.

433
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 1: So so many of these cases never even get reported.

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00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 1: Wherever you two hundred and fifty cases reported the first

435
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: six weeks of the year, there's probably five times as

436
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 1: many that just never get reported. Well, this savvy grandma says,

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00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: and I quote, I told him I had the money

438
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: in the house, and I figure he's not going to

439
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: fall for that. Well, he fell for it hook line

440
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: and sink her. Actually, Nancy, yeah, I told this is

441
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: what I told him. I told him I was getting

442
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 1: my kitchen remodel. When he asked for the eight thousand

443
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: and I said I'm getting my kitchen remodeled. The cabinets

444
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,479
Speaker 1: are coming next week, and my contractor asked me to

445
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: pay for them in cash. So I do have the

446
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 1: money in the house. And he says to me, this

447
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,239
Speaker 1: is Matt Levine, the lawyer. He says, do you know

448
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: why your contractor asked you to pay in cash? And

449
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 1: I said, I acted dumb. I said no, I have

450
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 1: no idea. He says, because he's not going to pay tax.

451
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: And my brain went so he is the pot calling

452
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 1: the kettle black. This guy trying to tell me my

453
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: imaginary contractor is crooked and he's trying to scam me,

454
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: scare me at eight thousand dollars. Took everything I can

455
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 1: do not to crack up. Oh my goodness, you made

456
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 1: me laugh for about the first time today. Okay, Russy Everett,

457
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: did you have any idea? Your mom is so savvy?

458
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: Just yeah. When I was younger, I I never got

459
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: away with anything. Okay, guys, you need to listen. You

460
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 1: did too, Yes, you did, I know you did? Like

461
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 1: to any listen. I worked at nine one one and

462
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: this kid was driving since he was three years old.

463
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: When he put the car in reverse and rolled it

464
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: across the street into my neighbor's fence. And then when

465
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: he had his permit and didn't have his license, I

466
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: would hear from all the cops in the era, take

467
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: the keys, hide the keys, runs he's out again. I

468
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: couldn't wait till he got his license. Russie Everett, don't

469
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: you know better than I trying to tell a lie

470
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: with your mom. I'm listening crime stories with Nancy Grace.

471
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: We are talking about an actual success story in finding crime.

472
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: Jane Ebert, age seventy three, actually takes down a scammer,

473
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: has him arrested and hauled off out of her front yard.

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00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut b our friends at

475
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: CBS two. Police say the suspect was arrested and charged

476
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: with attempted grand larceny in the third degree. He was

477
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: issued a desk appearance ticket and will be arraigned on

478
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: February third. Police a elder scams like this one are rampant.

479
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: Officers are asking the community to be on alerts. Speak

480
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: to your families, speak to your neighbors, visit those that

481
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: are vulnerable. Let them don't listen to these scams. These

482
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: individuals sit at home. I have nothing else to do

483
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: but think of a way to take advantage of our

484
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: elderly Jean is also asking people to watch out. So

485
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: I feel I got you, and I feel like, like

486
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: you say, so many people fall for this and you

487
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: only hear about it on the other end after they've

488
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: lost eight thousand dollars. She hopes her story will serve

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00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: as a cautionary tale for others and is glad no

490
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: one was hurt in the process. Jean Everett, were you

491
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:30,479
Speaker 1: ever physically afraid that this guy would charge into the

492
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: house and steal or hurt you? Basically, I was having

493
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: fun right up until the bail bondsman part. Maybe this

494
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: thing took three hours. The last hour the police were here,

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00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: and then about forty minutes after the police got here,

496
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: he was under arrest. What happened is the bail bondsman

497
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: was in Jersey, he was in Brooklyn. He was all

498
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: over and the guy kept giving me instructions what to write.

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00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: He gave me a file number, he gave me a

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00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: case number, how to put it on the envelope, and

501
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: he kept Then he would three or four calls later

502
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,959
Speaker 1: he would say, what does it say on the envelope?

503
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: And I would have to read everything back to him.

504
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: I guess he wanted to see that I was really

505
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: doing it. But then he says to Melt. The last

506
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: two phone calls, he says to me, well, as luck

507
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: would have it, I have an operative who just finished

508
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: a job in Massapequa. And I look at the cops,

509
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: and the cops look at me. Massapequa is the next

510
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: town where my two daughters lived, and so he says

511
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: he's on his way, he'll be there and under ten minutes.

512
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: So the cops go flying out of the house. They're

513
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: getting their cars that are sitting in front of my house,

514
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: and they take them down to the firehouse and they

515
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: come back and within five minutes the guy was here.

516
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: That ten minutes of saying he's less than ten minutes away.

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00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: I was a little scared for the cops for me,

518
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: what if he has a gun? I didn't, And it

519
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: went down perfectly. Even the bad guy did what he's

520
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: supposed to do. He didn't fight, he didn't resist a rest,

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00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: he didn't get beat up. Nothing bad happened to him.

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00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: You know, miss Everett, you played him like a settle.

523
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: You're like a concert violinist the way he played this guy.

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00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: And to you. Robert Brodsky joining us Brickie news reporter

525
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: from Newsday. I was researching, but I believe you've already

526
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: identified this. Seniors in America a line were scammed one

527
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: billion billion dollars in twenty twenty from three hundred million

528
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: the previous year. And that's just what we know of.

529
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: A lot of them won't fess up that they have

530
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: been scammed. Robert, it's really it's really a tragedy. What's

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00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: going on? I mean, I think I don't think there's

532
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: a person listening to this program who has not received

533
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: a call, reportedly from Social Security or from the IRS

534
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: report ordering about scare tax returns out here on Long Island.

535
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: The PSC and G is the utility company that we

536
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: have a scam that says, you know, I'm calling from

537
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: the utility company and I need your information from your

538
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: utility bill looking for that kind of information. The New

539
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: York Lottery is a really big one, saying we have

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00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: you were a winning ticket, you know, just calling people

541
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: randomly and trying to say that they have a winning

542
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: lottery ticket. And all you have to do is provide

543
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: us with your debit card information so you can deposit

544
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: that winning lottery information. It goes on and on and on.

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00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: Robert Brodsky, do you know a scammer even called me?

546
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: While I was an assistant district attorney prosecuting felonies every day.

547
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: I have been in court all day, dragged my all

548
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: my files to the car, got home by this time

549
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: it was like seven something a clock, almost eight, and

550
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: maybe the day before I have been an a fenderbender,

551
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: my fault. I want that on the record. And the

552
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: phone rang at home. The phone home phone never rang

553
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: because I would never give out my phone number, so

554
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: I assumed it was somebody in my family, like my mom.

555
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: I picked it up, and this guy had his deep

556
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: voice and he said, oh, he wanted to file a

557
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 1: lawsuit against the guy that ran into me. And I said, listen, Jackass,

558
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: I'm a felony prosecutor in Fulton County. Now I've got

559
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: your number. You're runner and this is unethical and against

560
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 1: the law. He hung up. So, yeah, explained Troy Sleighton,

561
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: what that Well, I already said, Jackass. I won't say

562
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: it again. Troy, explain why that was illegal and unethical.

563
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: It's called capping Nancy, and it's uh, you know, ambulance

564
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: chasing and capping are unethical and illegal for attorneys. You

565
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: can't pay a non lawyer to bring cases as to you.

566
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 1: You're not and you're not supposed to solicit somebody when

567
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 1: they're most vulnerable. An attorney can't drop their card when

568
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: the ambulance is picking somebody up on the side of

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00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: the road after the accident. You can't go to somebody's

570
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: hospital bed after they've been in an accident. You can't

571
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: go to hospital, go room to room, see who's been

572
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: accidents and drop off business cards. Or to have a

573
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: non lawyer do the same thing and then sell the

574
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,439
Speaker 1: cases to an attorney. That's illegal. Well, was so very

575
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: concerning about that was nobody outside my family had a

576
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 1: home number for me. Nobody and my boss, the elected

577
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: district attorney, so Jeff Cortez's former FBI, he had to

578
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 1: get it off the police report, which means he had

579
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: somebody within the APD, maybe a Clark. I don't know

580
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 1: who feeding car crash victims phone numbers. Unfortunately, you know

581
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 1: that that happens. Yeah, this is one of those instances

582
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: where it probably did happen just like that. I doubt

583
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 1: it was a lawyer. I think it was a runner

584
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: that would bring cases two lawyers. You just heard choice

585
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: late and talking about Okay, so I can't tell you

586
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: how long I researched this exact thing for the book.

587
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: Don't be a victim, and I have a list on

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00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: page three forty two. Take a list of this. Gene

589
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: and Rusty have call n I D learn how to

590
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 1: use it. When you're quote grandchild calls, you'll recognize it's

591
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: an unknown number. Don't buy anything from an unfamiliar company.

592
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:31,280
Speaker 1: Legitimate businesses know you want more information, and they're happy

593
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: to provide information and references. Request written materials on the offer,

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00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: the phone offer, or the charity. Wait until the material

595
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: arise before you commit your money. If the material involves

596
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: a substantial amount of money, ask somebody with a finance

597
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 1: background about it. Investigate check out the company with better

598
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: business bureau. Contact the state attorney general or the National

599
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 1: Fraud Information Center to find out if that company has

600
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: ever been boarded. Get the caller's name, number, street mailing address.

601
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: Ask a caller for a mailing address and then google it.

602
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: You know you can put an address into Google and

603
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: we'll pull up information. The last time the house or

604
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: the apartment was sold all kinds of information. Google details

605
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: like the company name, the caller's name. A lot could

606
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: pop up. Verify the info. Is it the right address

607
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: and number? If not, something's hinky. Before you donate to charity,

608
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: ask a percentage of your gift goes to commissions. Never

609
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: pay an advance for services. Never hand over a money

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00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,720
Speaker 1: to a messenger. Gene Everett knew that one really well.

611
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: Never wire money after a phone pitch. Take your time.

612
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: There's no such thing as a fee on a free prize.

613
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: That's what happened to the elder that ultimately committed suicide.

614
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 1: Fees and taxes. If the caller says the payments for taxes,

615
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: that's against the law. And this is a calm. Give

616
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: out your credit credit card expiration dates. If you've been scammed.

617
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: Beware of callers who then call to try to help

618
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: you get your money back. If you have information about

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00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 1: a fraud, report it saying no on the phone, it's

620
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: not being rude. And never inter a deal. You don't understand.

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00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: I got so many facts in here, Tampa Tire. You

622
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: got anything to add to that? Well, the biggest thing

623
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: that these shows and things like you're writing the book,

624
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: does it educates people. But you know, we have one

625
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 1: sad statistic in our country that less than ten percent

626
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: of our country will ever attend a safety or seminar

627
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: based on safety. And it's really because people are uneducated

628
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: in this realm that people don't understand. Also these segments

629
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 1: that these do, these these spooking, these fishing expeditions. Right now,

630
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:53,240
Speaker 1: it's vehicle maintenance, it's irs and it's you know, getting

631
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: a loved one out of jail now that's six months

632
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 1: from now, will change to beneficiary. You know, it'll change

633
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,720
Speaker 1: the social sury and every six months they change their ways.

634
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: So we have to pay attention and more shows like

635
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: this to educate people in the way to go. I'd

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00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: like to add something quickly in Okay, I have an

637
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: acquaintance who raises millions and millions of dollars for USC

638
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: and he said to me about a month ago, Bethany,

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00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: you know how I get money out of people? And

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Speaker 1: I said, how he goes I develop a relationship with them.

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Speaker 1: They may not give it to me today, they may

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Speaker 1: not give it to me next month. But the longer

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Speaker 1: it takes for them to write that check, the guilty

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Speaker 1: or they feel and I'll eventually get the money that

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Speaker 1: encompasses so much of what we've already been talking about, Nancy.

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Speaker 1: But you said on page three forty seven, there's this list,

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Speaker 1: and one of the things that popped out was when

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Speaker 1: something doesn't pass the smell test, you feel guilty and

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Speaker 1: you're afraid to ask questions, and you get isolated from

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Speaker 1: the people you loved, you're afraid to tell anyone else

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Speaker 1: about it. Then certainly it's not a letshit. But you

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Speaker 1: don't need to have a relationship with anybody who calls

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Speaker 1: your house randomly. You don't owe them anything. They are strangers.

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Speaker 1: You owe to your family and your loved ones, not

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Speaker 1: somebody at the other end of a phone call to

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Speaker 1: Jeane Ebert joining us the hero today, Jane Ebert, Not

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Speaker 1: everyone is as savvy, as smart, as quit witted as

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Speaker 1: you are. What is your message today, missus? Lady? My

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Speaker 1: basic message is, don't ever send anybody any kind of

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Speaker 1: money anywhere, don't ever have anybody pick it up at

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Speaker 1: your house, and basically most people should just hang up

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Speaker 1: on the scammus. You are something else, Jane Ebert. Rusty.

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Speaker 1: You got a good deal going on with your mom.

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Speaker 1: You take care of her, okay, as if she can't

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Speaker 1: take care of herself, I can finally end Crime Stories

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Speaker 1: today with a smile. Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend,