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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson of

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Speaker 1: the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome to the Drive.

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Speaker 1: I'm Dale Lolly here with Matt Williamson. Is Friday a

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Speaker 1: Chili Friday Friday? It really is black Friday. It's kind

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Speaker 1: of blackish outside. We're recording this early and it's looks

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Speaker 1: like it's gonna be dark any minute. You just get

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Speaker 1: back to curtain there. I know sometimes I tell people

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Speaker 1: makes us, it makes us bond with our audience. And

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Speaker 1: it's very holiday week. It is a very holiday like week.

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Speaker 1: And the Steelers, however, not taking the holidays off. They

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Speaker 1: practiced yesterday. I was down there for that. They practiced

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Speaker 1: again today. Um and it looks like there's a very

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Speaker 1: good chance that they'll have Joe Haden back. Make if

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Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick getting through prat this yesterday and today? Yuh find

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Speaker 1: said afterwards t J. Watt saying he was able to

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Speaker 1: do some things again today as well. Um, so trending

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Speaker 1: in the right direction. How about this stat, Matt. The

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Speaker 1: Steelers when t J. Watt plays the entire game, start

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Speaker 1: to finish, start leaving the midway or whatever. Five and one,

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Speaker 1: When t J. Watt either doesn't play or does not

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Speaker 1: finish the game, oh three and one. Yeah, that's like

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Speaker 1: m v P type stuff. That's why you give him

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Speaker 1: that contract. That's why. I mean, the massive ripple effect

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Speaker 1: he has on everybody else, let alone the one on

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Speaker 1: one matchups and one on two matchups he wins, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, great, great player. I mean, there's no question

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Speaker 1: you don't let them out of the building, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. You just you're happy to get them

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Speaker 1: and you pay them. If you were, like they put

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Speaker 1: out the Top twenty or Top one list every year,

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Speaker 1: twenty five of those guys or maybe in there. Yeah

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Speaker 1: we're say somewhere, and they'd be in there the year after,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, like they're elite players, hall of

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Speaker 1: fame like resumes or careers or stints, you know that

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Speaker 1: like that, And yeah, I think that's probably about right,

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Speaker 1: you know. I mean, and defensively, we could probably name

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Speaker 1: ten of them right now, and there's probably between five

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Speaker 1: and ten of those guys who were defensive players. A

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Speaker 1: lot of them are quarterbacks. Quarterbacks. There's some weapons and

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Speaker 1: stand out that are way different than everybody else to

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Speaker 1: you know, right, I mean just watching games yesterday, I

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Speaker 1: mean just even a guy like Tyron Smith fits for me,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, just the teams so much different

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Speaker 1: with them without him, and couple the fourth down play

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Speaker 1: that I'm not even thought about his performance yet. He

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Speaker 1: did not play well yesterday. He probably came back too early,

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Speaker 1: to be honest, but he just kind of stood up

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Speaker 1: and looked around. There is every the plays happening around them,

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Speaker 1: Like I don't think you knew what was going on.

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Speaker 1: But anyways, Yeah, he's he's a great player. Yeah, guys

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Speaker 1: like that. Nobody on Dallas performed particularly well yesterday. No,

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Speaker 1: that was my the one thing I didn't see coming.

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Speaker 1: I thought the Raiders were probably left for dead. I

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Speaker 1: was about ready to dig a grave for that. They

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Speaker 1: were getting the standing eight counting. Yeah, they were a

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Speaker 1: rough rough season. Waller gets hurt in that game, but

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Speaker 1: they got up early. I mean that was key. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think that's a huge key in this one too,

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Speaker 1: is quickly get a lead. Yeah, I mean that hurt

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Speaker 1: the Steelers dramatically. I think gets Chargers having to play

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Speaker 1: from behind, and they did it well. Obviously they came

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Speaker 1: back in a roaring fashion. But I think you want

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Speaker 1: to just keep handing at the Nagy, hand at the Nagy.

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Speaker 1: And you know, the Bengals mix an average like two

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Speaker 1: point four yards to carry in the first half against

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Speaker 1: the Raiders and then five point one in the second half.

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Speaker 1: You know, like being able to stick with the run

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Speaker 1: game and your script pays off as the games go on.

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Speaker 1: Well to your point, I mean the first the first

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Speaker 1: game against the the Bengals, Harris had this is this

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Speaker 1: was week three, uh fourteen carries for forty yards. That

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Speaker 1: was also the game that he caught fourteen passes from

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Speaker 1: a hundred and two yards. The Bengals have given up

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Speaker 1: the most receptions, not surprisingly composing unning backs. If you

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Speaker 1: look at it, uh week one, Dalvin Cook had six

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Speaker 1: I mean it's not just been na J Harris. They

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Speaker 1: week two. Um, the Jaguars only had two receptions against

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Speaker 1: him after week after playing the Steelers. But then you

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Speaker 1: look at it. The Packers had nine, four each for

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Speaker 1: My two thoughts on it are their linebacking corps the

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Speaker 1: has four interceptions. Say they're getting a lot better and

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Speaker 1: was led by Wilson, but they were all early. They

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Speaker 1: were all early. He's a good player, but he's But

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Speaker 1: I still think you want to attack that unit to

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Speaker 1: some degree. They're better in the front line and the

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Speaker 1: screen that pass rush down a little bit too, and

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Speaker 1: I think people planned to do that and Steelers aren't

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Speaker 1: seventy one. There's a receiver numbers, Yeah they are wow.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's a Mike White thing apparently is you know,

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Speaker 1: a good tactic for sure. I always think it's a

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Speaker 1: good tactic with the way the Steelers are built. Be

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Speaker 1: every week, but we still haven't seen extreme receiver traits

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Speaker 1: from Harris. We have, we've seen the traits. We haven't

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Speaker 1: It's right, it's more than dump offs. Even even he

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Speaker 1: the game against the Bengals, he said, well, a lot

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Speaker 1: of those catches were I was the last option just

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Speaker 1: throw it deep, go ahead and throw it deep. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know again, that was Week three and no Deante

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Speaker 1: It didn't seventy seven passing yards but three. He only

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Speaker 1: they'd controlled all the action, had a couple of big plays,

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Speaker 1: the turnover ratio wasn't that game. But it wasn't drastic.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't four to one or you know, crazy things

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Speaker 1: different if they have Whatton Highsmith and that kind of matters.

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Speaker 1: That they didn't have any sacks in that game, no sacks,

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Speaker 1: threw the ball eighteen times. Still, but you know, it

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Speaker 1: was very much The score wasn't similar to the brown

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Speaker 1: have the turnovers right right, right, But the kind of

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Speaker 1: Bengals weren't throwing the ball, didn't bed rushers. You know,

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Speaker 1: and just I don't know what to make this game.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's gonna be a really fun,

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Speaker 1: hard fought game. I don't see either one winning big

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Speaker 1: of the officials, as we saw yesterday with the last

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Speaker 1: night's game. Um, but the crew working this game is

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Speaker 1: Bill Vinevitch's crew. Okay, this season, in ten games, Bill

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Speaker 1: vinev his crew is called a hundred and one penalties

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Speaker 1: for eight hundred sixty seven yards. Those are both league lows. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: the NFL, I'm sitting in the NFL offices, this is

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Speaker 1: your this is one of your marquee games. Yeah, everybody's watched.

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Speaker 1: probably the most eyes on that game because everybody's casual

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Speaker 1: you know Frankly and I know YDS penalties almost. I

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Speaker 1: know Bob Labriolas is railed against this one before. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what Sean Hockeyles resume is other than the

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Speaker 1: fact that his dad was his dad was. That does

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Speaker 1: not make you a competent official currently. I know those

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Speaker 1: pretty good living, but they they're extremely important to in

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Speaker 1: And it just seems to me if you look at

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Speaker 1: the cruise at the end of the year and one

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Speaker 1: throwing flags or throwing flags, that needs to be seriously evaluating,

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Speaker 1: Like if you're much different should balance out over a month,

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Speaker 1: no big deal, or a game where there's fights left

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Speaker 1: and right, and you know, okay, but over the course

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Speaker 1: these crews get um, you know, do they get penalized

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Speaker 1: You know that there's there's probably more spots to attack

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Speaker 1: This is a big game, you know. Keith Butler yesterday

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Speaker 1: everybody else. That's what we expect of everybody else. So

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Speaker 1: I think he's I think the gauntlet has been put

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Speaker 1: kind of transition time, where like, Okay, you've had your

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Speaker 1: It's time to go. You know, we know you're young

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Speaker 1: and all that, but this is the turning point in

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Speaker 1: the linebacker's career and we need you to be an

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Speaker 1: above average starter. And and I think he's been a

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Speaker 1: below average starter this year. Yeah. I mean he's now

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Speaker 1: two years of playing time in. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: this action. You know, you should be able to make

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Speaker 1: up the and we we know you can run and

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Speaker 1: aren't explosive player. Show it, show it. Yeah, it's time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's that's definitely one to keep an eye on, particularly

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Speaker 1: against you know, a guy like Mixing and their tight

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Speaker 1: end has come on a little bit too. Yeah. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I know he got exposed like in routes against Aclar.

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Speaker 1: A lot of guys do. And I say that is

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Speaker 1: linebackers almost you know, you're running a cross or with

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Speaker 1: give him a two way go? You know, he comes

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Speaker 1: to the sidelines or the middle. It's gonna it's like

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Speaker 1: a Senior Bowl dream one on one. I mean, linebackers

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Speaker 1: lose those every time, you know, so that doesn't I

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Speaker 1: mean give the guy some credit who's running the route

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Speaker 1: to I mean, he's as good as a game. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's one thing, and it's never Yeah, nobody else is

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Speaker 1: looking back or looking at at Burrows season, he is

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Speaker 1: not run at all. Originally I thought it was because

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Speaker 1: being instructed not to. He's now he moves well though,

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Speaker 1: I mean he's not a statue, but he's not taking

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Speaker 1: but he's not taken off at all. I don't know that.

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Speaker 1: You know, if if the Bengals are watching the tape

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Speaker 1: interpret that this year or this week, because I also

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Speaker 1: think there'll be a lot of fewer running lanes. If

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Speaker 1: what plays, that's the other. Yeah, that's the other. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's that closes down because those guys, now you know,

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Speaker 1: you know who you're rushing. You know, Heyward talked about

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Speaker 1: it earlier in the week. You see, you have to

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Speaker 1: trust the guys next to you to stay in their lane,

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Speaker 1: and the protection schemes are just so much different if

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Speaker 1: he's in there. You know, like you can make mistakes

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Speaker 1: as a pass rusher with your lane or getting too

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Speaker 1: far afield. But if two blockers are on the left

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Speaker 1: outside linebacker, you know, it's just numbers game as supposed.

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Speaker 1: There's just two guys. Okay, two guys are gonna drive

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Speaker 1: Heyward past the yeah right right as the quarterback in

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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks, so he's gonna see man defense, you just

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Speaker 1: take off. And a lot of those were just on

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Speaker 1: ondoings those Steelers. I don't think the Chargers game planned

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Speaker 1: for him to run much. No, I think he recognized

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Speaker 1: it very well when yeah, when they were in man defense. Okay,

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Speaker 1: as soon as soon as I see an opening, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna take off and run because they're a man I'm

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Speaker 1: glad you brought that up, because I wonder if the

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Speaker 1: Steelers give them the openings, will Burrow take it like

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Speaker 1: Herbert did. Herbert's a better runner, but Burrow can get stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean he did. But he hasn't much

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Speaker 1: this year. No, he has not. Um I think he

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Speaker 1: had if I remember correctly, his five carries for seven

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Speaker 1: third down on. But overall, he has not taken off

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Speaker 1: at all this year. He hasn't think did a fair

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Speaker 1: amount last year and at LSU, and he is a

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Speaker 1: good athlete. He's got less than half the yardish that

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Speaker 1: he had last year. Remember he only played ten games

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Speaker 1: last Year's played ten this year, so it's less than half.

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Speaker 1: He's not taking off at Also, I don't know that

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Speaker 1: that's going to be the big problem that it was

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Speaker 1: last week. I bet not. But not, We're gonna take

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