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Speaker 1: Star in Chris Jay. Hello, and welcome to Talking Cowboys
Speaker 1: one on one. I'm Heckman Harrison, and obviously I don't
Speaker 1: have my guys with me today. The three screens have gone,
Speaker 1: but that's okay. Isaiah, Rob and Kyle will be back
Speaker 1: with me on regular schedule once the season gets kicked off,
Speaker 1: and god knows we're all hoping for that. But today
Speaker 1: I have a special guest, a ten year NFL that
Speaker 1: All Pro Ivy League Hall of Famer, author, former ESPN,
Speaker 1: NFL analysts, and current hosts of Speak for Yourself on
Speaker 1: Fox Sport one from Compton to Columbia. My man, Marcellus,
Speaker 1: that dude Wiley, how are you? Brother? Of doing great man?
Speaker 1: And thanks for the obituary before. It always feels good.
Speaker 1: But I know who I'm talking to right now, so
Speaker 1: I gotta i gotta address the elephant in the room
Speaker 1: first and foremost, I'm sorry Dallas Cowboys for who you
Speaker 1: got in terms of Marcelves Wiley and production and performance.
Speaker 1: My one year cup of coffee in Dallas. But I
Speaker 1: was so blessed to be one to call Dallas one
Speaker 1: of my four homes in the NFL. And I still
Speaker 1: get the most love and adoration and fan support from
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys despite me giving them my worst performances.
Speaker 1: But hey, sometimes you're the last person to realize that
Speaker 1: you're no good anymore. And I realize that in Dallas
Speaker 1: for ourselves. Hey, once the cowboy, always the cowboy, you know,
Speaker 1: the model. And so this whole one on one series
Speaker 1: that we have, Man, it's all about going and talking
Speaker 1: and having those conversations with former Cowboy players or someone
Speaker 1: that's linked into the metro play. So this is a
Speaker 1: really important series for us, and man, I'm just so
Speaker 1: thankful to have this opportunity to sit down and talk
Speaker 1: shot with you. But before I get started, man, I
Speaker 1: want to just ask you, how are you and your
Speaker 1: family dealing with all of this COVID nineteen ism man
Speaker 1: that we're having to deal with right now. Yeah, my wife,
Speaker 1: I'm so blessed to have her in terms of her
Speaker 1: understanding of the medical world. She's anesthesiologists and with a
Speaker 1: nurse background, she understands exactly how we should tackle medical
Speaker 1: issues and health issues when they're obviously invading everyone's life
Speaker 1: right now in terms of the personal, the public, what
Speaker 1: you should do in terms of mask and social distancing.
Speaker 1: She's a great translator of all the information that is
Speaker 1: flying by me and all of us left and right.
Speaker 1: That said, I've really created my own island in terms
Speaker 1: of my social distancing, my quarantining. We've been as great
Speaker 1: as you can be in any circumstances. And my kids,
Speaker 1: thankfully three of them are very young for one and
Speaker 1: a couple of months old, so they don't know any
Speaker 1: different unless we show it in our emotions, show it
Speaker 1: in our reactions. Yeah, they missed school, but at that
Speaker 1: age two of them didn't even attend school. And my
Speaker 1: four year old was like, well, this is a long break, dad,
Speaker 1: And we talk about Corona and there are some things
Speaker 1: he asked for, and I say, well, once the Corona
Speaker 1: virus is gone. So now he uses that a part
Speaker 1: of his conversation, like, once the Corona virus is gone, Dad,
Speaker 1: can we go here? So tecting my energy, I'm protecting
Speaker 1: my family. And I know a lot of people are
Speaker 1: affected in a negative way by this, and I make
Speaker 1: sure to have my empathy for them and do my part,
Speaker 1: which is be responsible, socially distanced, and make sure I
Speaker 1: keep that mask on. Everybody has to do that, and
Speaker 1: that is the going thing going for everybody. You know,
Speaker 1: keep that mask on, stay safe, And just really happy
Speaker 1: to hear that you and your family are dealing well
Speaker 1: with this because these are at first times. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like I know you haven't either,
Speaker 1: so it's definitely an adjustment to everyone's lifestyle. But I
Speaker 1: want to relate this to the NFL and what's going
Speaker 1: on right now. You being a ten year veteran in
Speaker 1: the NFL and having to get your body prepared for
Speaker 1: the rigors of an NFL season, and you have articulated
Speaker 1: that very well in your career as a broadcaster, but
Speaker 1: just looking at the new environment with COVID nineteen and
Speaker 1: I also have to get ready for us man this
Speaker 1: from your opinion, do you believe that we're going to
Speaker 1: see a traditional NFL season that starts in September and
Speaker 1: finishes in February. We will see an NFL season, it
Speaker 1: won't be traditional, and that may be a positive. Take
Speaker 1: you back a couple of months where we had the
Speaker 1: draft and it wasn't a traditional draft, but it was
Speaker 1: a positive in terms of we're us watching these players
Speaker 1: in the comforts of their home, and even the commissioner
Speaker 1: sitting there on this is big sofa just chilling. You
Speaker 1: humanize the experience because a lot of times you can
Speaker 1: get far away from the core of the matter, which
Speaker 1: is someone made their dreams a reality. The first pick
Speaker 1: overall Joe Burrow and mister irrelevant who I don't know
Speaker 1: his name. That's the point. That guy made his dreams
Speaker 1: of reality, as well as undrafted free agents, and it
Speaker 1: was just good to see the human element come out
Speaker 1: using the technology like we're using right now. And it
Speaker 1: was the highest rated draft history, So like it was
Speaker 1: a positive, that positive. I think that's gonna be the
Speaker 1: same with the NFL season. Two things are gonna be
Speaker 1: at play, and I want fans to understand saying one
Speaker 1: that football in the NFL is a television product. They
Speaker 1: make billions and billions of dollars because of TV writes.
Speaker 1: They make millions and millions of dollars because you get
Speaker 1: to go to the game and get to sit there
Speaker 1: in your seat and buy popcorn, buy beer, and get
Speaker 1: a jersey. Y'all know the math. Billions versus millions, billions
Speaker 1: are gonna win. So what they need to do is
Speaker 1: lean into Look, we understand the economic health balance. And
Speaker 1: you can't say this in so many ways. You got
Speaker 1: you gotta know how to dance with elasticity in this one.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna say it to you correctly and directly.
Speaker 1: We have to treat COVID when it comes to the
Speaker 1: NFL experience like we do physical injuries. If you get
Speaker 1: a high ankle spring, you're out four to six weeks.
Speaker 1: If you get corona, you're out two weeks. Quarantining simple
Speaker 1: as that. Don't care who the player is, Sorry, don't
Speaker 1: care what team it happens to, and sorry, we're not
Speaker 1: stopping the NFL. Why do you have to approach it
Speaker 1: that way? Because anything short of that, you're gonna be
Speaker 1: jump starting and stopping foot on the brake, foot on
Speaker 1: the gas, and you're not gonna go near where you're intending.
Speaker 1: So I think fans will understand from leadership if they
Speaker 1: say we're going to play this year, but no fans
Speaker 1: in attendance. And the Fellas said, well, depending on city
Speaker 1: by city, state by state, we will have fans. I'm
Speaker 1: o't care with that. But if we don't have fans,
Speaker 1: imagine this, you're watching the game at home, and we
Speaker 1: all know we love a game at home because if
Speaker 1: you're at home, you get to watch all the games,
Speaker 1: whether it's red zone, flipping the channel, you got eight
Speaker 1: hours of straight football, if not more. No traffic, no
Speaker 1: long bathroom lines, nobody yelling at you, security not running
Speaker 1: by you because someone just had a fight, all that stuff.
Speaker 1: It's you to remote your beer. You're chilling and you're
Speaker 1: watching the game. You're like, we're the fans. Oh they
Speaker 1: are there. CGI. We watch Jurassic Park and we have
Speaker 1: never seen a real dinosaur in our life, but we
Speaker 1: think they're real. We watch Jurassic Park. They need to
Speaker 1: CGI to fans into the arenas and make them guys
Speaker 1: jump up, make them gals jump down, make them scream,
Speaker 1: make them have boredom, whatever happens during the normal course
Speaker 1: of the game. Give me three hours of fake people
Speaker 1: in the stands on the sideline and give me my
Speaker 1: normal football game. That's as close as we can get
Speaker 1: to reality. And I think that's the best proposal. Do
Speaker 1: you just tie in Jurassic Park and CGI and to
Speaker 1: the fan experience, Libby, I gotta because Jurassic Park one
Speaker 1: of my favorite movies. And when you said CGI, I
Speaker 1: was right there with you. In the bubble contained everybody else.
Speaker 1: You have no hands out the windows, don't get your
Speaker 1: home made off, you know. So that's the same thing
Speaker 1: absolutely with the virus. But you know with things restarting,
Speaker 1: with the MLP restarting their season, also the NBA, and man,
Speaker 1: what they're doing in Disneyland. I mean, they're putting these
Speaker 1: guys in a bubble for three months. That's not gonna
Speaker 1: be any outside. You know, nobody going outside, nobody going inside.
Speaker 1: And when you think about that as a player, with
Speaker 1: everything that they're trying to do to ensure that that
Speaker 1: will be a season, is that something that you think
Speaker 1: that you could have adhered to during your playing days. Hey,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of reports about how the bubble is
Speaker 1: gonna look. Some people call it the bubble. Some people
Speaker 1: call it an illusion because you gotta be real, like
Speaker 1: those service essential workers at room service, the maids, they're
Speaker 1: going home, They're not staying in that bubble like you know.
Speaker 1: So the bubble is not even perfect, whether it's in
Speaker 1: reality or even in imagination, it's not going to be perfect.
Speaker 1: And the players supposedly can go to certain local restaurants.
Speaker 1: Supposedly they can go golf, you know, take their mind
Speaker 1: off the game. That's gonna break the bubble as well.
Speaker 1: So that's why I lean into what I said, which
Speaker 1: may sound a little heartless, but it's the reality. If
Speaker 1: someone contracts it, put him in a corner et y'all
Speaker 1: see the movie. Put them in the bubble with his
Speaker 1: whole little bit bubble. He just gotta sit there for
Speaker 1: two weeks. That's that's life. He has a high ankles,
Speaker 1: praying for two weeks. That's how we're gonna treat him.
Speaker 1: But in reality, what I've been able to do it absolutely.
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna lie to you, guys. I tell
Speaker 1: you exactly my emotional thought process. It will be this.
Speaker 1: I get paid not for the things I want to do.
Speaker 1: I get paid the big bucks playing a child's game
Speaker 1: for the things I don't want to do, because they
Speaker 1: give us millions and millions of dollars and we have
Speaker 1: to make tremendous sacrifices. But guess what they also pay
Speaker 1: you for all the things that are not glamorous about
Speaker 1: the game. So you got to keep that in mind
Speaker 1: that a paycheck comes with service, and I have to
Speaker 1: serve not only my job and something that is a
Speaker 1: dream that is now in reality for me. But more
Speaker 1: so than that, you have to look at it from
Speaker 1: the perspective of I only have so many years to
Speaker 1: do this. I don't care how good, how great I am.
Speaker 1: I have the finite shelf life. I only have a
Speaker 1: few years to do this. Whether that's ten years, twenty years,
Speaker 1: or two years, that is short in comparison to what
Speaker 1: life is offering you. So as a means to an end,
Speaker 1: which sports are, I have to go out there get
Speaker 1: my game on while I still can, while I'll still
Speaker 1: love healthy mind, body and spirit. So for me, it
Speaker 1: would have been a no brainer. People be like, wow,
Speaker 1: you're not nervous. I said, yeah, but I've been nervous
Speaker 1: for every football game too. I still played dinner. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do thing with this. I'm gonna understand the risk,
Speaker 1: but I know I would be out there trying to
Speaker 1: ball out. I'm good. Man. Well, listen, we gotta get
Speaker 1: down to it. You gotta buckle your seatbelt, man, pull
Speaker 1: your astray out because we bring it some smoke. Right now,
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about this year's the
Speaker 1: Cowboys team that obviously everybody thought that the Cowboys would
Speaker 1: be going defense at seventeen, and when you saw the
Speaker 1: Cowboys take Cede Lamb at pick seventeen, where you as
Speaker 1: surprised that that the Cowboys picked him at seventeen or
Speaker 1: that he fell to seventeen more than he failed to seventeen.
Speaker 1: Watching him play some of those four coming games, You're like, yeah, Lee,
Speaker 1: like he was a joystick out there just just going
Speaker 1: through the defenses. You're like, just do the special next
Speaker 1: level of talent. And look, I'm one of the guys
Speaker 1: that lean offense when it comes to how you share approach.
Speaker 1: You you're scouting approach, your personnel, and your philosophy. You
Speaker 1: gotta lean into the offensive weapons because I played defense.
Speaker 1: I actually played on the number one defense in the
Speaker 1: NFL one year we lost in the wildcard game. You understand,
Speaker 1: people don't get this, and I'd be like, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to tell y'all, if a great offense versus a great defense,
Speaker 1: the defense is gonna lose a hundred and one times
Speaker 1: out of a hundred and It may not add up
Speaker 1: like that in the numbers, I get it, but in reality,
Speaker 1: in my mind, I'm like, a great defense will keep
Speaker 1: a team to three points. Six points, yeah, a great
Speaker 1: offense is like we were scoring thirty, Like we're putting
Speaker 1: up thirty, so minimum. And so I'm like, when you
Speaker 1: have that collision course, if it's a tie, if they're comparable,
Speaker 1: lean offense, it's much easier to score than to go
Speaker 1: out there and saying you're not going to score. So
Speaker 1: you one mistake, one gap assignment that has missed, that's
Speaker 1: six points, and that could be the ball game. You're
Speaker 1: a great defense. You gave a one on playing. But
Speaker 1: the offense is like three and out, three and out.
Speaker 1: We saw it last year with the Chiefs. Three and out,
Speaker 1: three and out, three and out, all that down ten
Speaker 1: and all that down twenty one and and why and
Speaker 1: then it's over. So I'm glad the Cowboys leaned offense.
Speaker 1: I'm glad they leaned into the receiving corp even though
Speaker 1: they have a great duo. Now you got it, so
Speaker 1: and Dak Prescott just has more weapons to play with.
Speaker 1: So I think it was a smart play all right. Now,
Speaker 1: if you know anything about Dallas. Man, there's a date
Speaker 1: that we all have circles on the calendar, and that's
Speaker 1: you lout of the fifteenth, and I'm sure you, like
Speaker 1: everybody else, your phone just blew up with a notification
Speaker 1: that somebody you know who, you know where just got
Speaker 1: a ten year deal, which amplifies everything that we have
Speaker 1: going here in Dallas with Dak Prescott. What do you
Speaker 1: think that Dak has to do or what hasn't he
Speaker 1: done to actually get that contract that pushes him into
Speaker 1: that stratosphere of some of your upper echelon guys in
Speaker 1: the league. Yeah, it's amazing that there's a new ceiling
Speaker 1: in an NFL based on this new ten year deal. Right,
Speaker 1: And if I'm Dak Prescott, I'm like, the ceiling is
Speaker 1: heaven who ten year deals? And we don't know the
Speaker 1: numbers yet, but for me, I'm not signing anything under
Speaker 1: five hundred million, Like if there's not half a billion
Speaker 1: because of the TV deals and the new CBA's hell no,
Speaker 1: I'm not signing this. So we'll see what the numbers are,
Speaker 1: but that can't do anything else. This is on Jerry,
Speaker 1: This is on Stephen in terms of chasing that high
Speaker 1: and I know it's tough. It's easier said than done.
Speaker 1: Their first six years owning the team, they want three
Speaker 1: super Bowls, y'all, Like imagine buying a team and then
Speaker 1: you blink and you're like, oh, every other year we
Speaker 1: won in the Super Bowl and then contention pretty much
Speaker 1: every other year. Insane. But now since that moment in
Speaker 1: ninety six, they've been chasing that high and they spent
Speaker 1: money here, there, everywhere trying to get it. And then
Speaker 1: finally they find a fourth rounder who basically supposed to
Speaker 1: sit there behind Romo with chill, Romo has hurt. He
Speaker 1: comes in, he wins thirteen games his rookie year, and
Speaker 1: I think somewhere in their spirit they said, maybe this
Speaker 1: is the time we don't have to spend it, and
Speaker 1: we may wait, maybe we can get him on the
Speaker 1: cheat finally, because we spend all our money trying, let's
Speaker 1: try a different approach. First time ever a Cowboys quarterback
Speaker 1: has been franchised. Despite when you put the gun to
Speaker 1: his head last year and said we're not going to
Speaker 1: get you a new deal, go out there and play
Speaker 1: your last year of this deal out, he just went
Speaker 1: out there and pr personal record said, oh before you said, oh,
Speaker 1: team success, yes, but you don't have the individual numbers.
Speaker 1: Then he went out there and got the individual numbers. Says,
Speaker 1: stop moving the goal post, Hobbie, I know what it is.
Speaker 1: You're trying to keep me for the lolow. All right,
Speaker 1: here's the problem, Jerry and Stephen. The lolo keeps getting
Speaker 1: higher and higher because when Dak looks at what Patrick
Speaker 1: got and what the Shan's gonna get and it won't
Speaker 1: last as long, but maybe a Lamar Jackson next year,
Speaker 1: Oh good, Laurence, and then they're gonna keep coming and
Speaker 1: keep coming because you're gonna have a way to trivia. Lawrence,
Speaker 1: we can talk about to him. Maybe how about just
Speaker 1: too many guys gonna get paid? Jimmy g was the
Speaker 1: highest paid quarterback in the year in the league two
Speaker 1: years ago now like mid pack. So the point of
Speaker 1: the thing, Hey, if you don't want to pay him now,
Speaker 1: you certainly gonna pay him later. Yeah. The price goes up,
Speaker 1: it don't go down, right, So absolutely so. And another
Speaker 1: what I want to get to is something that I
Speaker 1: think is is very awesome about your career. Now you
Speaker 1: have played for some Hall of Fame coaches and Marv
Speaker 1: lev and Bill Parcels and Marty Schottenheimer is a guy
Speaker 1: that deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. Just
Speaker 1: my personal opinion. Yeah, man, And in that transition for
Speaker 1: you in San Diego, your coach first was Mike Riley,
Speaker 1: and then obviously Mike Riley gets gets let go, and
Speaker 1: then it comes to Marty Schottenheimer, right, coach that has
Speaker 1: respect already of the locker room from what he's done
Speaker 1: in the league. Already looking at this current Cowboys gene
Speaker 1: change from Jason Garrett and now Mike McCarthy, how do
Speaker 1: you feel that this veteran group is going to be
Speaker 1: able to deal with the mind state change and just
Speaker 1: you know, just overall strategy change with Mike McCarthy. Well,
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna go. Well, Mike McCarthy's kind of
Speaker 1: underrated as a coach. He has a Super Bowl shifts
Speaker 1: high went for centage. People sleep on him. He wasn't
Speaker 1: even in the top ten rankings. I just saw a
Speaker 1: couple of days ago and I'm like, we got other
Speaker 1: guys in there, and this guy's want it all. And
Speaker 1: he helped evolve with Aaron Rodgers into one of the
Speaker 1: greatest quarterbacks we've seen. But for some reason, I guess
Speaker 1: because he had reports of getting a massage at work,
Speaker 1: which I've done a dolland times like that, all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, names he's not a great coach. Whatever, b
Speaker 1: ask Anyway, we move forward to the point where we're
Speaker 1: here now, and you get a coach that walks in
Speaker 1: and every coach walks in like they're a new sheriff
Speaker 1: in town, and here's my new set of rules and laws. Remember,
Speaker 1: whenever you see someone and football's militaristic, it's kind of like, yes, sir, no, sir,
Speaker 1: I do the right things. You got an assignment. You
Speaker 1: go out there and you do your assignment. Whenever you
Speaker 1: see someone in that position, you always check their sleeves
Speaker 1: and you check their stripes. And if it's a former player,
Speaker 1: they got a certain level of stripes. If it's a
Speaker 1: guy who has a record of winning and success and
Speaker 1: building programs, he has more stripes. You look at Mike
Speaker 1: McCarty's that sleeve is full of stripes. So his message
Speaker 1: should resonate quickly with these guys, and it should be
Speaker 1: effective because you trust in it. Most of the time
Speaker 1: you waste for the new coaches just trying to trust him.
Speaker 1: You're like, all right, I hear you. And especially when
Speaker 1: it's a younger coach than you, it's tough. But Sean
Speaker 1: McVay didn't prove that. But you get the young guy
Speaker 1: in there. He wasn't even good. He didn't even go
Speaker 1: thro and they're like, man, if he don't shut up,
Speaker 1: and especially if it doesn't work fast. So Mike McCarty,
Speaker 1: he has that luxury of experience or resume, and they
Speaker 1: should work for the Cowboys absolutely. Now when you look
Speaker 1: at the going and I want to touch on something
Speaker 1: that I think is going to resonate with you, and
Speaker 1: that's the Cowboys defense. Now, they had their struggles last year.
Speaker 1: It's documented they lost some guys in production with Robert
Speaker 1: Quinn who went to the Chicago Bears. But they did
Speaker 1: upgrade with dump Terry Poe and Gerald McCoy, Alvin Smith
Speaker 1: being reinstated into the league and also Randy Gregory. With
Speaker 1: the addition by subtraction maybe mantra that we're going into
Speaker 1: with this season. Do you believe that the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: solidified their front as a defense, Well, definitely on paper.
Speaker 1: You gotta respect that. Here's the thing you look at,
Speaker 1: look at this team, and you look at their under
Speaker 1: achievement last year, and maybe they're overachievement a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago. What's the law of averages? Like, were they
Speaker 1: really in terms of talent and more so in execution?
Speaker 1: A lot of times you get lost in the talent conversation.
Speaker 1: Could you just read the names and you read their production,
Speaker 1: you think it all adds up. It's not about adding up.
Speaker 1: It's about fitting in, you know. And a lot of
Speaker 1: times you can be greater than some of your parts
Speaker 1: or lesser form that chemistry that bond, the unspoken language.
Speaker 1: When you can have that as a defensive in with
Speaker 1: your defensive tackle, just look at him, he's like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know we're about to get this. We run a
Speaker 1: play that we don't even have to call or even
Speaker 1: have to speak on. That's what you need, that cohesion.
Speaker 1: So the projections of the defense, yeah they look talented.
Speaker 1: Yeah they're gonna have a chip on her shoulder. Could
Speaker 1: last year they kind of let the Cowboys down based
Speaker 1: on expectations. But it has to come together. I am
Speaker 1: not one to predict how things are gonna look because
Speaker 1: I've had too many teammates that said yes, sir no,
Speaker 1: sir war paint, all right, let's go out there and
Speaker 1: kill them and sorry as hell. And then I had
Speaker 1: guys who was just laying back chilling, watching watching TV,
Speaker 1: reading magazines, giggling, and out there and destroy your books.
Speaker 1: So it's about collective mindset and cohesion. We'll see how
Speaker 1: they played. Now. For Jerald McCoy, what I think is
Speaker 1: very interesting. This guy has been all world, all pro
Speaker 1: in his career. Now he's at the downside of his career.
Speaker 1: And relating this to your time in the NFL ten year,
Speaker 1: your ten year career, Gerald McCoy, This is going to
Speaker 1: be his tenth year. As you know, Cowboy Nation, our
Speaker 1: expectation of Gerald McCoy, as he's come in and fix
Speaker 1: the problems that we had up front. How do you
Speaker 1: feel Where do you feel he is right now and
Speaker 1: where his production will be after ten years in the league. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean this pretty much in terms of perception, will
Speaker 1: be his last attempt to preserve that name of Gerald McCoy,
Speaker 1: And it's you know, look, it's hard to make an
Speaker 1: NFL roster. Let alone get on the field and make plays.
Speaker 1: Let alone be a name that everyone knows when you
Speaker 1: say it, Gerald McCoy. Oh yeah, I know he is.
Speaker 1: So he's already had tremendous success to live in that
Speaker 1: same realm and perception of expectation. This is it. He
Speaker 1: messes up this year, and trust me, they're gonna be
Speaker 1: looking at him like, yeah, all right, yeah you can.
Speaker 1: You can like try for the position, you can work
Speaker 1: to be the starter. Like it's just a whole different animal.
Speaker 1: And I've been there. I've been at the top of
Speaker 1: the mountain and at the bottom, going down fast with
Speaker 1: no breaks and know how it goes. So this is
Speaker 1: the last opportunity where people will hold him before seeing
Speaker 1: it in high regard. The problem is if you don't
Speaker 1: live up to this moment, if you fall shorten this moment,
Speaker 1: even if you do great things next in the next situation,
Speaker 1: next year, whatever it may be, they're gonna be hesitant
Speaker 1: to give you your fair do So if he's Jerald
Speaker 1: McCoy of old, which I expect, he knows what it is.
Speaker 1: This is some crazy circumstances to try and like continue
Speaker 1: your career of greatness. But he needs to be on
Speaker 1: his grind and on his mis and stand out. If not,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a far far drop from what it
Speaker 1: used to sell us. There was a name that if
Speaker 1: that list and Marcus Lawrence now here in the Dallas market.
Speaker 1: We look at our guys through microscope. You know, we're
Speaker 1: concentrating on them all the time. You a guy that
Speaker 1: the part of the national media. You look at everybody,
Speaker 1: all thirty two teams. But in your opinion of DeMarcus Lawrence,
Speaker 1: he's all world to us, right? But do you see
Speaker 1: him as that Apex Predator top five guy and his
Speaker 1: position in the NFL? D law Man who that dude
Speaker 1: the ball got a chance to talk to him this
Speaker 1: offseason as well. I love the guy on the field,
Speaker 1: off the field of respect for him. What you have
Speaker 1: to do is find the consistency necessary to be one
Speaker 1: of the greats, and that's something that is very difficult
Speaker 1: to achieve. I had two great years and then a
Speaker 1: couple of years and then who's that? And the point
Speaker 1: of it is the greats. I played with Bruce Smith,
Speaker 1: I played, I was drafted to be the next Bruce Smith.
Speaker 1: He left. They cut Bruce Smith because of me. That's
Speaker 1: like walking around saying they cut Michael Jordan because of you.
Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, I'm the man I've been in that place.
Speaker 1: I've been in those shoes. If you can't consistently stay
Speaker 1: in that position. And last year was not the best
Speaker 1: of d Law, and Dan is so weird. It would
Speaker 1: he had five sacks, So Dan is weird. You can
Speaker 1: go out there and not do that much and the
Speaker 1: ball just drops and the quarterback is grabbing and you're
Speaker 1: grabbing sack. There's times when you could just have contained coach,
Speaker 1: like all you gotta do is run up the field
Speaker 1: and stay still. Quarterback bootlegs right to you. There are
Speaker 1: plays when you're like, yo, I ain't really like do
Speaker 1: that much and I got one. And then there are
Speaker 1: plays where you beat three dudes and the third second,
Speaker 1: fourth second, you're going right to the quarterback. He grows
Speaker 1: the ball and that gets nothing. That gets no mess,
Speaker 1: no metric. So I saw the film of d Law.
Speaker 1: He still got it. D Law has top five potential
Speaker 1: the years prior to this. He showed that in execution
Speaker 1: and production. But it's tricky out there watching Bruce Smith,
Speaker 1: no one studying the gang, Studying guys who did that
Speaker 1: consistently excellent for five, ten, fifteen years. That's a whole
Speaker 1: different animal than having a couple of good years and
Speaker 1: one suspect. So I just want to see the consistency.
Speaker 1: I think he has a talent. I think he has
Speaker 1: the mindset. It's just you gotta keep those numbers up
Speaker 1: there or we're gonna come at you. Bro. Mysell is
Speaker 1: that is a wonderful answer. Thank you for that. And
Speaker 1: I think you know again, the way that we see him,
Speaker 1: he's all world you know, and comparable. We know that
Speaker 1: he's that dude too, right. But I got something for you, man,
Speaker 1: I got some rap rapping this whole thing up. I
Speaker 1: got some rapid fire questions for you. I look, man,
Speaker 1: I've done my homework on you, my homework on you.
Speaker 1: I know all about you. Man. It's been a pleasure
Speaker 1: just getting to see your career and where you came
Speaker 1: from and all of that. Man, So I know you
Speaker 1: being a California guy. California is the land of Taco.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna we're gonna get this started, right, corn
Speaker 1: or flower torts, Corn, no doubt, no corn, no doubt.
Speaker 1: All right, So players, Christian McCaffrey, Ezekiel, Elliott, Kathy what yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I love you, Zeke, but I need
Speaker 1: a little more consistency. You let Dack down last year
Speaker 1: to hold out using Marshall Falkes your microphone, and then
Speaker 1: some of these issues off the field. I ain't hurt Smack,
Speaker 1: none of that and and Smack playing nine positions with
Speaker 1: no quarterback. Yeah all right. So you spend time at Columbia,
Speaker 1: so you're a bit of a New York guy as well.
Speaker 1: So New York pizza, Roscoe chicken and waffles. That's because
Speaker 1: they both are the best. Um, I would have to
Speaker 1: go Rosco's because my rationalist, I've had great pizza outside
Speaker 1: of New York, but I haven't had great chicken and
Speaker 1: waffles really outside of roscos And either Rosco's has fallen
Speaker 1: off because the chicken ain't is good, but the waffle.
Speaker 1: The waffle has never lost the game in his life.
Speaker 1: But the chicken. They need to they need to actually
Speaker 1: import Popeyes into Rosco's for the chicken part and keep
Speaker 1: their waffle. That's answering, all right. So big question, because
Speaker 1: I know you are a come to California guy that
Speaker 1: went to Columbia all the way to New York. During
Speaker 1: the heights of the East Coast, West Coast of be
Speaker 1: Tupac of Biggie whoa you are wrong for these questions.
Speaker 1: I would have to take Tupac because he had more albums,
Speaker 1: more songs, more body of work. But in terms of
Speaker 1: like who's the better rapper? Who Biggie? Biggie had two albums,
Speaker 1: one was a double disc, one just a regular album
Speaker 1: and he already went to Mount Rushmore on two albums.
Speaker 1: You were like Yalli. His flow is delivery, his style,
Speaker 1: his lyrical play beats everything like Biggie. Biggie was better
Speaker 1: for me. Like in terms of songs top he's a
Speaker 1: top heavy roster, but the depth like Pok has so
Speaker 1: many and so many different styles of himself. So if
Speaker 1: the whole amount of songs, it would be Biggie, but
Speaker 1: Biggie into too short, man, it was too shorter career
Speaker 1: kind of Terrell Davids to feel like a very standard
Speaker 1: or something, you know what I mean? Yeah, so conflicted
Speaker 1: on that, you know I'm hurting. I hate the question
Speaker 1: more well, I tell you what, marcellis. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for sitting down with me. Man. I hope that
Speaker 1: we get an opportunity to do this again. Man, stay healthy.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, man, this is These are some strange times
Speaker 1: and Also, I want to tell everyone that's watching this
Speaker 1: thank you for tuning in. But if you get an
Speaker 1: opportunity to order the book Never Shut Up by Marcellus Wiley,
Speaker 1: you could go to his website Marcellus Wiley dot com
Speaker 1: and order the book. Did I do that right? Did
Speaker 1: I plug it right? He did it right? Man. I
Speaker 1: appreciate you so much. Cowboys my father's favorite team since hello,
Speaker 1: he's from Tyler, Texas. It was a dream come true
Speaker 1: to play for the Cowboys and respect the Cowboys' nation
Speaker 1: no matter what. Man always got love for you because
Speaker 1: they showed me so much. And I'm Heckma Harrison and
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