WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Marcellus Wiley 1-on-1 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:04.400 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:15.280 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:19.200 training live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the 0:00:19.280 --> 0:00:31.640 Star in Chris Jay. Hello, and welcome to Talking Cowboys 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:35.160 one on one. I'm Heckman Harrison, and obviously I don't 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:38.120 have my guys with me today. The three screens have gone, 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:42.200 but that's okay. Isaiah, Rob and Kyle will be back 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:46.000 with me on regular schedule once the season gets kicked off, 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:49.080 and god knows we're all hoping for that. But today 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:53.800 I have a special guest, a ten year NFL that 0:00:54.240 --> 0:01:03.480 All Pro Ivy League Hall of Famer, author, former ESPN, 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:08.760 NFL analysts, and current hosts of Speak for Yourself on 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:15.400 Fox Sport one from Compton to Columbia. My man, Marcellus, 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:20.240 that dude Wiley, how are you? Brother? Of doing great man? 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:25.880 And thanks for the obituary before. It always feels good. 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:28.319 But I know who I'm talking to right now, so 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:31.160 I gotta i gotta address the elephant in the room 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:35.679 first and foremost, I'm sorry Dallas Cowboys for who you 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:39.360 got in terms of Marcelves Wiley and production and performance. 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:43.319 My one year cup of coffee in Dallas. But I 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:46.840 was so blessed to be one to call Dallas one 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:49.840 of my four homes in the NFL. And I still 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:54.760 get the most love and adoration and fan support from 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:58.360 the Dallas Cowboys despite me giving them my worst performances. 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:01.720 But hey, sometimes you're the last person to realize that 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:04.360 you're no good anymore. And I realize that in Dallas 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:09.040 for ourselves. Hey, once the cowboy, always the cowboy, you know, 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:11.600 the model. And so this whole one on one series 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:14.640 that we have, Man, it's all about going and talking 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:18.760 and having those conversations with former Cowboy players or someone 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:21.800 that's linked into the metro play. So this is a 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:24.560 really important series for us, and man, I'm just so 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:27.359 thankful to have this opportunity to sit down and talk 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:29.640 shot with you. But before I get started, man, I 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:32.040 want to just ask you, how are you and your 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:36.919 family dealing with all of this COVID nineteen ism man 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:40.239 that we're having to deal with right now. Yeah, my wife, 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:42.880 I'm so blessed to have her in terms of her 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:47.480 understanding of the medical world. She's anesthesiologists and with a 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:52.359 nurse background, she understands exactly how we should tackle medical 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:57.040 issues and health issues when they're obviously invading everyone's life 0:02:57.120 --> 0:03:00.760 right now in terms of the personal, the public, what 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:04.400 you should do in terms of mask and social distancing. 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:08.359 She's a great translator of all the information that is 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:11.519 flying by me and all of us left and right. 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:16.200 That said, I've really created my own island in terms 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:19.840 of my social distancing, my quarantining. We've been as great 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:23.440 as you can be in any circumstances. And my kids, 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:28.240 thankfully three of them are very young for one and 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:31.440 a couple of months old, so they don't know any 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:35.560 different unless we show it in our emotions, show it 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:38.960 in our reactions. Yeah, they missed school, but at that 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:41.600 age two of them didn't even attend school. And my 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:44.200 four year old was like, well, this is a long break, dad, 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:47.680 And we talk about Corona and there are some things 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:49.960 he asked for, and I say, well, once the Corona 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:53.680 virus is gone. So now he uses that a part 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:57.119 of his conversation, like, once the Corona virus is gone, Dad, 0:03:57.160 --> 0:04:01.560 can we go here? So tecting my energy, I'm protecting 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:04.160 my family. And I know a lot of people are 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:07.200 affected in a negative way by this, and I make 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:10.400 sure to have my empathy for them and do my part, 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:14.120 which is be responsible, socially distanced, and make sure I 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:17.520 keep that mask on. Everybody has to do that, and 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:20.760 that is the going thing going for everybody. You know, 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:24.440 keep that mask on, stay safe, And just really happy 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:26.919 to hear that you and your family are dealing well 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:28.800 with this because these are at first times. I mean, 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:31.800 I've never seen anything like I know you haven't either, 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:35.080 so it's definitely an adjustment to everyone's lifestyle. But I 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:39.159 want to relate this to the NFL and what's going 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:42.480 on right now. You being a ten year veteran in 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:45.680 the NFL and having to get your body prepared for 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:48.960 the rigors of an NFL season, and you have articulated 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:52.599 that very well in your career as a broadcaster, but 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:58.080 just looking at the new environment with COVID nineteen and 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:01.040 I also have to get ready for us man this 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:04.000 from your opinion, do you believe that we're going to 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:08.680 see a traditional NFL season that starts in September and 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:11.919 finishes in February. We will see an NFL season, it 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:15.160 won't be traditional, and that may be a positive. Take 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:16.800 you back a couple of months where we had the 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:20.320 draft and it wasn't a traditional draft, but it was 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:25.200 a positive in terms of we're us watching these players 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:27.960 in the comforts of their home, and even the commissioner 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:31.600 sitting there on this is big sofa just chilling. You 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:36.200 humanize the experience because a lot of times you can 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:38.880 get far away from the core of the matter, which 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:42.440 is someone made their dreams a reality. The first pick 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:45.839 overall Joe Burrow and mister irrelevant who I don't know 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:48.760 his name. That's the point. That guy made his dreams 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:52.440 of reality, as well as undrafted free agents, and it 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:54.440 was just good to see the human element come out 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:58.159 using the technology like we're using right now. And it 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:01.760 was the highest rated draft history, So like it was 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:04.280 a positive, that positive. I think that's gonna be the 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:06.560 same with the NFL season. Two things are gonna be 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:09.600 at play, and I want fans to understand saying one 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:14.160 that football in the NFL is a television product. They 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:17.440 make billions and billions of dollars because of TV writes. 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:20.600 They make millions and millions of dollars because you get 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:22.760 to go to the game and get to sit there 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:25.360 in your seat and buy popcorn, buy beer, and get 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:29.599 a jersey. Y'all know the math. Billions versus millions, billions 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:32.080 are gonna win. So what they need to do is 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:36.720 lean into Look, we understand the economic health balance. And 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:39.560 you can't say this in so many ways. You got 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:43.480 you gotta know how to dance with elasticity in this one. 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:45.760 But I'm gonna say it to you correctly and directly. 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:49.200 We have to treat COVID when it comes to the 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:53.640 NFL experience like we do physical injuries. If you get 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:56.000 a high ankle spring, you're out four to six weeks. 0:06:56.279 --> 0:07:00.000 If you get corona, you're out two weeks. Quarantining simple 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:03.800 as that. Don't care who the player is, Sorry, don't 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:06.520 care what team it happens to, and sorry, we're not 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:10.240 stopping the NFL. Why do you have to approach it 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:13.520 that way? Because anything short of that, you're gonna be 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:17.160 jump starting and stopping foot on the brake, foot on 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:20.560 the gas, and you're not gonna go near where you're intending. 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:24.600 So I think fans will understand from leadership if they 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:27.760 say we're going to play this year, but no fans 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:31.760 in attendance. And the Fellas said, well, depending on city 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:35.000 by city, state by state, we will have fans. I'm 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:37.840 o't care with that. But if we don't have fans, 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:41.280 imagine this, you're watching the game at home, and we 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:43.480 all know we love a game at home because if 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:45.720 you're at home, you get to watch all the games, 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:49.480 whether it's red zone, flipping the channel, you got eight 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:53.360 hours of straight football, if not more. No traffic, no 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:56.840 long bathroom lines, nobody yelling at you, security not running 0:07:56.840 --> 0:07:59.360 by you because someone just had a fight, all that stuff. 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:05.640 It's you to remote your beer. You're chilling and you're 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:09.080 watching the game. You're like, we're the fans. Oh they 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:14.520 are there. CGI. We watch Jurassic Park and we have 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:16.680 never seen a real dinosaur in our life, but we 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:19.600 think they're real. We watch Jurassic Park. They need to 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:24.480 CGI to fans into the arenas and make them guys 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:27.440 jump up, make them gals jump down, make them scream, 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:31.320 make them have boredom, whatever happens during the normal course 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:34.440 of the game. Give me three hours of fake people 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:37.680 in the stands on the sideline and give me my 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:41.320 normal football game. That's as close as we can get 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:44.520 to reality. And I think that's the best proposal. Do 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:48.680 you just tie in Jurassic Park and CGI and to 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:54.640 the fan experience, Libby, I gotta because Jurassic Park one 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:57.040 of my favorite movies. And when you said CGI, I 0:08:57.120 --> 0:09:00.600 was right there with you. In the bubble contained everybody else. 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:02.560 You have no hands out the windows, don't get your 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:05.000 home made off, you know. So that's the same thing 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:09.199 absolutely with the virus. But you know with things restarting, 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:15.200 with the MLP restarting their season, also the NBA, and man, 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:17.760 what they're doing in Disneyland. I mean, they're putting these 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:22.040 guys in a bubble for three months. That's not gonna 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:26.520 be any outside. You know, nobody going outside, nobody going inside. 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:28.520 And when you think about that as a player, with 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:30.719 everything that they're trying to do to ensure that that 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:33.440 will be a season, is that something that you think 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:37.360 that you could have adhered to during your playing days. Hey, 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:39.199 there's a lot of reports about how the bubble is 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:41.360 gonna look. Some people call it the bubble. Some people 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:44.560 call it an illusion because you gotta be real, like 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:50.439 those service essential workers at room service, the maids, they're 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:53.080 going home, They're not staying in that bubble like you know. 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:56.400 So the bubble is not even perfect, whether it's in 0:09:56.520 --> 0:10:00.560 reality or even in imagination, it's not going to be perfect. 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:04.199 And the players supposedly can go to certain local restaurants. 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:07.800 Supposedly they can go golf, you know, take their mind 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:10.560 off the game. That's gonna break the bubble as well. 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:13.600 So that's why I lean into what I said, which 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:16.960 may sound a little heartless, but it's the reality. If 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:20.240 someone contracts it, put him in a corner et y'all 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:21.800 see the movie. Put them in the bubble with his 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:25.319 whole little bit bubble. He just gotta sit there for 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:27.800 two weeks. That's that's life. He has a high ankles, 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:29.640 praying for two weeks. That's how we're gonna treat him. 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:32.920 But in reality, what I've been able to do it absolutely. 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:35.480 I'm not even gonna lie to you, guys. I tell 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:39.160 you exactly my emotional thought process. It will be this. 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:43.560 I get paid not for the things I want to do. 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:46.560 I get paid the big bucks playing a child's game 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:49.120 for the things I don't want to do, because they 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:51.360 give us millions and millions of dollars and we have 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:55.480 to make tremendous sacrifices. But guess what they also pay 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:58.800 you for all the things that are not glamorous about 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:01.240 the game. So you got to keep that in mind 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:04.800 that a paycheck comes with service, and I have to 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:08.760 serve not only my job and something that is a 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:11.680 dream that is now in reality for me. But more 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:13.800 so than that, you have to look at it from 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:17.160 the perspective of I only have so many years to 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:20.800 do this. I don't care how good, how great I am. 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:23.800 I have the finite shelf life. I only have a 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:28.559 few years to do this. Whether that's ten years, twenty years, 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:32.320 or two years, that is short in comparison to what 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:36.120 life is offering you. So as a means to an end, 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:39.840 which sports are, I have to go out there get 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:43.000 my game on while I still can, while I'll still 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:47.000 love healthy mind, body and spirit. So for me, it 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:48.920 would have been a no brainer. People be like, wow, 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:51.200 you're not nervous. I said, yeah, but I've been nervous 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:53.520 for every football game too. I still played dinner. So 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:57.120 I'm gonna do thing with this. I'm gonna understand the risk, 0:11:57.600 --> 0:11:59.320 but I know I would be out there trying to 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:02.080 ball out. I'm good. Man. Well, listen, we gotta get 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:04.280 down to it. You gotta buckle your seatbelt, man, pull 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:06.600 your astray out because we bring it some smoke. Right now, 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:09.880 I want to talk to you about this year's the 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:14.640 Cowboys team that obviously everybody thought that the Cowboys would 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:19.240 be going defense at seventeen, and when you saw the 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:23.760 Cowboys take Cede Lamb at pick seventeen, where you as 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:26.800 surprised that that the Cowboys picked him at seventeen or 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:31.400 that he fell to seventeen more than he failed to seventeen. 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:35.240 Watching him play some of those four coming games, You're like, yeah, Lee, 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:38.240 like he was a joystick out there just just going 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:41.000 through the defenses. You're like, just do the special next 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:45.160 level of talent. And look, I'm one of the guys 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:48.040 that lean offense when it comes to how you share approach. 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:52.120 You you're scouting approach, your personnel, and your philosophy. You 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:55.000 gotta lean into the offensive weapons because I played defense. 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:57.280 I actually played on the number one defense in the 0:12:57.360 --> 0:13:02.280 NFL one year we lost in the wildcard game. You understand, 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:04.080 people don't get this, and I'd be like, I'm trying 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:07.800 to tell y'all, if a great offense versus a great defense, 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:10.480 the defense is gonna lose a hundred and one times 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:13.080 out of a hundred and It may not add up 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:15.600 like that in the numbers, I get it, but in reality, 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:18.679 in my mind, I'm like, a great defense will keep 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:24.319 a team to three points. Six points, yeah, a great 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:26.679 offense is like we were scoring thirty, Like we're putting 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:30.440 up thirty, so minimum. And so I'm like, when you 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:34.439 have that collision course, if it's a tie, if they're comparable, 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:38.280 lean offense, it's much easier to score than to go 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:40.960 out there and saying you're not going to score. So 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:45.880 you one mistake, one gap assignment that has missed, that's 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:48.199 six points, and that could be the ball game. You're 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:50.760 a great defense. You gave a one on playing. But 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:53.720 the offense is like three and out, three and out. 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:55.880 We saw it last year with the Chiefs. Three and out, 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:58.000 three and out, three and out, all that down ten 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:02.520 and all that down twenty one and and why and 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:06.160 then it's over. So I'm glad the Cowboys leaned offense. 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:08.600 I'm glad they leaned into the receiving corp even though 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:11.360 they have a great duo. Now you got it, so 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:15.280 and Dak Prescott just has more weapons to play with. 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:18.000 So I think it was a smart play all right. Now, 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:21.240 if you know anything about Dallas. Man, there's a date 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:23.880 that we all have circles on the calendar, and that's 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:26.160 you lout of the fifteenth, and I'm sure you, like 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:29.720 everybody else, your phone just blew up with a notification 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:33.560 that somebody you know who, you know where just got 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:37.200 a ten year deal, which amplifies everything that we have 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:40.440 going here in Dallas with Dak Prescott. What do you 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:43.440 think that Dak has to do or what hasn't he 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:47.600 done to actually get that contract that pushes him into 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:50.280 that stratosphere of some of your upper echelon guys in 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:53.160 the league. Yeah, it's amazing that there's a new ceiling 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:55.960 in an NFL based on this new ten year deal. Right, 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:58.920 And if I'm Dak Prescott, I'm like, the ceiling is 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:02.280 heaven who ten year deals? And we don't know the 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:04.840 numbers yet, but for me, I'm not signing anything under 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:07.040 five hundred million, Like if there's not half a billion 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:10.600 because of the TV deals and the new CBA's hell no, 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:13.160 I'm not signing this. So we'll see what the numbers are, 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:16.760 but that can't do anything else. This is on Jerry, 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:21.600 This is on Stephen in terms of chasing that high 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:24.840 and I know it's tough. It's easier said than done. 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:28.840 Their first six years owning the team, they want three 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:31.960 super Bowls, y'all, Like imagine buying a team and then 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:34.400 you blink and you're like, oh, every other year we 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:36.840 won in the Super Bowl and then contention pretty much 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:40.760 every other year. Insane. But now since that moment in 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:44.080 ninety six, they've been chasing that high and they spent 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:47.520 money here, there, everywhere trying to get it. And then 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:52.160 finally they find a fourth rounder who basically supposed to 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:55.320 sit there behind Romo with chill, Romo has hurt. He 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:57.520 comes in, he wins thirteen games his rookie year, and 0:15:57.560 --> 0:16:01.640 I think somewhere in their spirit they said, maybe this 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:03.280 is the time we don't have to spend it, and 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:05.960 we may wait, maybe we can get him on the 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:09.520 cheat finally, because we spend all our money trying, let's 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:13.080 try a different approach. First time ever a Cowboys quarterback 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:15.840 has been franchised. Despite when you put the gun to 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:19.440 his head last year and said we're not going to 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:21.120 get you a new deal, go out there and play 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:23.240 your last year of this deal out, he just went 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:28.280 out there and pr personal record said, oh before you said, oh, 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:31.840 team success, yes, but you don't have the individual numbers. 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:34.360 Then he went out there and got the individual numbers. Says, 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:37.240 stop moving the goal post, Hobbie, I know what it is. 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:40.080 You're trying to keep me for the lolow. All right, 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:43.240 here's the problem, Jerry and Stephen. The lolo keeps getting 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:47.440 higher and higher because when Dak looks at what Patrick 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:50.560 got and what the Shan's gonna get and it won't 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:53.120 last as long, but maybe a Lamar Jackson next year, 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:55.840 Oh good, Laurence, and then they're gonna keep coming and 0:16:56.040 --> 0:17:01.120 keep coming because you're gonna have a way to trivia. Lawrence, 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:04.800 we can talk about to him. Maybe how about just 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:06.879 too many guys gonna get paid? Jimmy g was the 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:09.360 highest paid quarterback in the year in the league two 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:12.359 years ago now like mid pack. So the point of 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:14.880 the thing, Hey, if you don't want to pay him now, 0:17:15.119 --> 0:17:18.239 you certainly gonna pay him later. Yeah. The price goes up, 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:23.000 it don't go down, right, So absolutely so. And another 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:25.000 what I want to get to is something that I 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:28.600 think is is very awesome about your career. Now you 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:32.480 have played for some Hall of Fame coaches and Marv 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:36.480 lev and Bill Parcels and Marty Schottenheimer is a guy 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:38.399 that deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. Just 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:43.080 my personal opinion. Yeah, man, And in that transition for 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:45.959 you in San Diego, your coach first was Mike Riley, 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:50.040 and then obviously Mike Riley gets gets let go, and 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:53.080 then it comes to Marty Schottenheimer, right, coach that has 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:56.000 respect already of the locker room from what he's done 0:17:56.160 --> 0:18:00.399 in the league. Already looking at this current Cowboys gene 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:03.879 change from Jason Garrett and now Mike McCarthy, how do 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:05.879 you feel that this veteran group is going to be 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:09.160 able to deal with the mind state change and just 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:14.560 you know, just overall strategy change with Mike McCarthy. Well, 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:17.679 I think it's gonna go. Well, Mike McCarthy's kind of 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:20.320 underrated as a coach. He has a Super Bowl shifts 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:22.960 high went for centage. People sleep on him. He wasn't 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:25.159 even in the top ten rankings. I just saw a 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:27.800 couple of days ago and I'm like, we got other 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:30.359 guys in there, and this guy's want it all. And 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:32.639 he helped evolve with Aaron Rodgers into one of the 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:35.520 greatest quarterbacks we've seen. But for some reason, I guess 0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:38.760 because he had reports of getting a massage at work, 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:42.240 which I've done a dolland times like that, all of 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:44.280 a sudden, names he's not a great coach. Whatever, b 0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:47.000 ask Anyway, we move forward to the point where we're 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:50.280 here now, and you get a coach that walks in 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:53.040 and every coach walks in like they're a new sheriff 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:57.600 in town, and here's my new set of rules and laws. Remember, 0:18:57.680 --> 0:19:02.320 whenever you see someone and football's militaristic, it's kind of like, yes, sir, no, sir, 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:04.479 I do the right things. You got an assignment. You 0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:07.240 go out there and you do your assignment. Whenever you 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:10.480 see someone in that position, you always check their sleeves 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:14.119 and you check their stripes. And if it's a former player, 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:16.480 they got a certain level of stripes. If it's a 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:19.240 guy who has a record of winning and success and 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:22.400 building programs, he has more stripes. You look at Mike 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:25.920 McCarty's that sleeve is full of stripes. So his message 0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:29.639 should resonate quickly with these guys, and it should be 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:32.720 effective because you trust in it. Most of the time 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:35.080 you waste for the new coaches just trying to trust him. 0:19:35.359 --> 0:19:37.840 You're like, all right, I hear you. And especially when 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:40.320 it's a younger coach than you, it's tough. But Sean 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:43.360 McVay didn't prove that. But you get the young guy 0:19:43.440 --> 0:19:45.399 in there. He wasn't even good. He didn't even go 0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:48.199 thro and they're like, man, if he don't shut up, 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:53.399 and especially if it doesn't work fast. So Mike McCarty, 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:56.399 he has that luxury of experience or resume, and they 0:19:56.440 --> 0:20:00.440 should work for the Cowboys absolutely. Now when you look 0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:04.120 at the going and I want to touch on something 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:06.480 that I think is going to resonate with you, and 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:11.400 that's the Cowboys defense. Now, they had their struggles last year. 0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:15.400 It's documented they lost some guys in production with Robert 0:20:15.480 --> 0:20:19.000 Quinn who went to the Chicago Bears. But they did 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:24.600 upgrade with dump Terry Poe and Gerald McCoy, Alvin Smith 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:28.480 being reinstated into the league and also Randy Gregory. With 0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:32.359 the addition by subtraction maybe mantra that we're going into 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:35.840 with this season. Do you believe that the Cowboys have 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:40.920 solidified their front as a defense, Well, definitely on paper. 0:20:41.320 --> 0:20:45.120 You gotta respect that. Here's the thing you look at, 0:20:45.359 --> 0:20:47.919 look at this team, and you look at their under 0:20:48.440 --> 0:20:51.720 achievement last year, and maybe they're overachievement a couple of 0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:54.640 years ago. What's the law of averages? Like, were they 0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:57.560 really in terms of talent and more so in execution? 0:20:57.880 --> 0:20:59.960 A lot of times you get lost in the talent conversation. 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:02.920 Could you just read the names and you read their production, 0:21:03.040 --> 0:21:06.440 you think it all adds up. It's not about adding up. 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:09.359 It's about fitting in, you know. And a lot of 0:21:09.400 --> 0:21:11.439 times you can be greater than some of your parts 0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:15.960 or lesser form that chemistry that bond, the unspoken language. 0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:18.359 When you can have that as a defensive in with 0:21:18.440 --> 0:21:20.760 your defensive tackle, just look at him, he's like, Yeah, 0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:22.560 I know we're about to get this. We run a 0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:24.480 play that we don't even have to call or even 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:27.639 have to speak on. That's what you need, that cohesion. 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:31.640 So the projections of the defense, yeah they look talented. 0:21:32.000 --> 0:21:33.880 Yeah they're gonna have a chip on her shoulder. Could 0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:36.560 last year they kind of let the Cowboys down based 0:21:36.560 --> 0:21:39.920 on expectations. But it has to come together. I am 0:21:40.000 --> 0:21:43.040 not one to predict how things are gonna look because 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:45.560 I've had too many teammates that said yes, sir no, 0:21:45.640 --> 0:21:48.280 sir war paint, all right, let's go out there and 0:21:48.359 --> 0:21:50.719 kill them and sorry as hell. And then I had 0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:54.760 guys who was just laying back chilling, watching watching TV, 0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:58.879 reading magazines, giggling, and out there and destroy your books. 0:21:58.920 --> 0:22:03.479 So it's about collective mindset and cohesion. We'll see how 0:22:03.480 --> 0:22:06.760 they played. Now. For Jerald McCoy, what I think is 0:22:06.880 --> 0:22:10.360 very interesting. This guy has been all world, all pro 0:22:10.560 --> 0:22:13.680 in his career. Now he's at the downside of his career. 0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:16.840 And relating this to your time in the NFL ten year, 0:22:17.800 --> 0:22:20.919 your ten year career, Gerald McCoy, This is going to 0:22:21.040 --> 0:22:24.680 be his tenth year. As you know, Cowboy Nation, our 0:22:24.760 --> 0:22:27.639 expectation of Gerald McCoy, as he's come in and fix 0:22:27.840 --> 0:22:30.359 the problems that we had up front. How do you 0:22:30.440 --> 0:22:33.960 feel Where do you feel he is right now and 0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:39.000 where his production will be after ten years in the league. Yeah, 0:22:39.040 --> 0:22:41.560