WEBVTT - Occupied America and the Primal Father 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:03.800 Cool media. 0:00:04.720 --> 0:00:07.320 Welcome to it could happen here, a show about things 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:11.000 falling apart. We are back from our little break, and 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:14.360 today I'm joined with Robert Evans to discuss fascism. 0:00:14.360 --> 0:00:20.720 I guess, yeah, yeah, I'm here. We're talking fascism. Listeners, 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:23.560 excuse me. I have a sinus infection. So that's why 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:24.520 it sound this way. 0:00:24.920 --> 0:00:26.720 Oh that's why you sound like that. 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:30.160 Uh huh that sucks life. 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:33.000 Yeah, well, it might not suck as much as what 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:35.920 I had to do last week, which is uh, watch 0:00:36.000 --> 0:00:39.479 this six part documentary about the twenty twenty four Trump 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:43.479 election campaign. God, well, the art of the surge, I 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:46.000 don't know. Overall, it was actually pretty boring. They were 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:48.920 obviously trying to edit it like a succession episode. Oh 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:54.080 my god, really obnoxious. There is some insight into like 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:57.040 the inner workings of the Trump team, like watching him 0:00:57.040 --> 0:00:59.120 and his team react to the Kamala Harris, D and 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:03.960 C speech like workshop counter messaging was actually interesting, and 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:08.200 the doc does show kind of Musk's influence steadily ramping 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:11.800 up starting in July. The only time you see Trump 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:15.679 and Vance together is after Trump's ABC debate, when JD 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:19.080 Like preps him for the spin room. That's the only time, Wow, 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:20.080 we see them at a act. 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:24.319 I mean, yeah, that makes sense, Like I wouldn't want 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:26.040 to be in a room with JD Vans more than 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:27.880 I had to be, although the fact that he does 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:29.959 want to be in a room with Musk is baff lit. 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:34.280 Yes, and actually Musk and JD get along quite well 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:37.959 in the interactions that are seeing in the documentary Milania. 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:41.600 Trump never appears once, not a single time. Well, it's 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:43.759 good to know that they've they've managed to put together 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:45.319 a functional thrupple. 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:49.240 Ooh, don't like that. Don't like that at all, first, buddy, 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:53.400 the yikes. My biggest takeaway from this documentary is that 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:57.200 it just showed how much his rallies are a religious 0:01:57.280 --> 0:02:03.279 experience for his supporters, deeply deeply religious, especially the Butler 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:07.279 Pennsylvania rallies, where everyone talks about it like they would 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:11.040 like like a genuine like limit experience or religious experience. 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:14.520 Right now, this episode, I actually I want to focus 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:18.639 on the rhetoric employed at these rallies in attempts to 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:21.520 label Trump a fascists. There's been a lot of discussion 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:26.600 on like Trump's authoritarian and dictatorial desires and tendencies and 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:30.200 expressions of those fears, in particular, were not enough to 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:33.360 persuade the majority of voters against Trump, let alone safe 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:37.280 and Republican support towards Harris and we on this show 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:40.560 have not talked much about the escalation of rhetoric used 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:43.400 by Trump and his allies this campaign cycle, with the 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:47.120 Biden administration's horrific border policies and the enabling of Israel's 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:49.560 genocidal actions in Gaza drawing a great deal of our 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:51.960 attention in the past few months, But now I do 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:55.080 want to draw attention to the ethno nationalist framing that 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:58.720 has become all too common, especially with the Democrats just 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:02.240 complete submission to try Trump and the GOP's distinct focus 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:06.919 on immigration as the top issue facing America. So part 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:09.360 of what I'm gonna do here is I've outlined a 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:11.640 few clips and some quotes I'm trying. I tried to 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:13.240 limit the clips because I know no one wants to 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:16.080 hear Trump and these guys talk for too long, but 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:17.360 I will play some. 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:19.560 And Robert, We've spent. 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:21.840 A lot of your time thinking about fascism in the 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:24.520 past few years and reading about fascism, so I'm certainly 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:27.320 curious on your thoughts on some of these clips and quotes, 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:30.440 as we'll kind of go through like three specific rallies, 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:33.760 mostly great and outline what type of rhetoric they are 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:37.840 using and what it kind of points to historically. Now, 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:41.280 one of the reoccurring phrases at Trump rallies this cycle 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:45.360 was that the United States has become an occupied territory. 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:48.880 Here's Trump invoking that language at a rally in Atlanta 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:50.360 a week before the election. 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:54.480 But it will soon be an occupied country no longer. 0:03:55.320 --> 0:04:00.240 November fifth, twenty twenty four, will be Liberation Day in America, 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:05.320 and during day one, I will launch the largest deportation 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:08.520 program in American history. We're going to get these criminals out. 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:14.160 I will rescue every city in town that has been 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:15.600 invaded and conquered. 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:18.200 These towns have been conquered, you know, they have been invaded. 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:21.960 And can you imagine, just as though a foreign enemy 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:25.039 was invading, a military was invading. 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:29.160 Okay, I will rescue every city in town that has 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:30.200 been invaded and. 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:31.160 Conquered, conquered. 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:36.080 Yeah, just as though an enemy, a foreign enemy was invading. 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:39.680 Yeah. I mean that's I don't even know what to 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:43.560 say about that. It's like that's textbook fascist shit, right, Like, 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:46.920 I mean, among other things, ramping everyone up to justify, 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:50.440 you know, at least the potential for violence against migrants. 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:53.440 You know, it's self defense, right. Yeah. 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:57.320 Now, I like to focus first on the Medison Square 0:04:57.360 --> 0:05:02.160 Garden rally. Certainly the put floating island of garbage comments 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:04.560 from the roast comedian got a lot of media attention, 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:08.160 but what got less coverage was the much more historically 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:11.599 worrying statements made by those within Trump's circle. Let's start 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:13.760 with Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller. 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:17.000 America is for Americans and Americans only. 0:05:19.560 --> 0:05:22.320 So, Robert, does that phrase remind you of any other 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:25.120 phrases that have been used over time? 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:29.279 Yeah, I mean like one people, one vulc one Reich, right, 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:33.200 I guess yeah, I mean again, Like I don't even 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:35.600 know what to say at this point, right, Like, we're 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:39.159 it's so obvious. When I started in the warning people 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:42.120 about fascism game, you had to like explain a lot 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:44.680 of history and then sort of like walk in, here's 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:46.719 how you know what this is a sign post? I mean, 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:48.760 when someone doesn't eighty eight this is what it means 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:51.520 or whatever, And we're so far past that like. 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:54.560 Well, and and specifically this one invokes the Germany is 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:57.520 for the Germans, which is a phrase that is banned 0:05:57.560 --> 0:05:59.880 in Germany now due to its use during. 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:00.600 Not the era. 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:03.599 That gives us something to look forward to now. 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:06.719 In a rant advocating for election denial in the case 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:10.400 of Trump losing the election, Tucker Carlson referred to Kamala 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:17.599 Harris as a Samoan Malaysian low IQ. This is just 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:22.520 kind of baffling old school racism. Yeah, I honestly didn't 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:25.000 expect this type of thing to have such a resurgence 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:25.680 the past year. 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:27.960 More esoteric than I expected. 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:32.040 Yeah, it's frankly odd now that Tucker also spoke about 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:35.960 how the elites are trying to replace the population and 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:40.600 the culture and customs of this country, just clearly invoking 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:43.760 the white nationalists, a great replacement ideology that he kind 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:46.560 of previously spread on his Fox show. 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:48.479 In a country that has been taken over by a 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:51.839 leadership class that actually despises them and their values and 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:55.279 their history and their culture and their customs, really hates 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:58.919 them to the point that it's trying to replace them. 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:04.159 Very clear stuff. And Don Junior invoked very similar rhetoric, 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:07.120 saying that the government no longer puts Americans first and 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:11.320 that the Democratic Party would rather quote replace Americans with 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:15.200 people who will be reliable voters on Club Wow. And again, 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:17.000 this is types of stuff that we talked about in 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:20.840 like twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen. It's like like Laurens Southern 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:22.360 YouTube videos. 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:25.120 And like, if there's one thing that dims are bad at, 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:27.240 it's getting reliable voters. 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:31.080 Yes, Like, this is the type of stuff that was 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:33.280 so that was much more niche. And then you had 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:35.600 a few like four chan guys start like doing a 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:38.960 writing on Tucker's show, and now it's being used at 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:40.960 a disappoint the president's rallies. 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:44.000 Yeah. Now, when Trump finally. 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:47.680 Took the stage, he mirrored Tucker's Kamala Harris IQ comments, 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:52.440 saying everyone knows she's a very low IQ individual. Like usual, 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:55.160 he called the press the enemy of the people, uh huh, 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:59.160 But he went on to describe the true enemy masterminding 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:03.680 the fall of America, the quote radical left machine that 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:06.000 has taken control of the Democratic Party. 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:10.480 It's just this a morphous group of people, but they're 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:15.360 smart and they're vicious, and we have to defeat them. 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:17.840 And when I say the enemy from within, the other 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:21.600 side goes crazy, becomes a sound the hole. How can 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:25.040 he say, no, they've done very bad things to this country. 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:26.880 They are indeed the enemy from within. 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:30.040 And I do find interesting the way he describes them 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:33.480 as like a morphous Yeah, it's not like a distinct sect. 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:35.880 It's not like a fuss of people. It's this like 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:39.840 a MorphOS almost like like a like like ethereal force 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:41.280 that can like inhabit people. 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:44.480 Well, you need that because, that, among other things, allows 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:48.720 you to refocus the lens on anyone. Yeah, right, Like 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:53.679 you need the opportunity to keep shifting because eventually, if 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:56.680 you're just actually focusing on a real, discreete group of 0:08:56.760 --> 0:08:59.400 human beings, you get rid of those people, you throw 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:01.840 them in prison or whatever, and then you don't have 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:04.080 an enemy anymore. And you always need that. 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:06.280 And do you know what we need right. 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:08.319 Now, Robert Products and Services. 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:10.080 Yeah, we do need to go on a quick break, 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:12.960 and then I come back to talk about Dluth, Georgia. 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:27.800 So not good, great, all right, we are back. I'm 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:32.040 gonna now turn to a Turning Point action event on 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:36.080 October twenty third in Dluth, Georgia, which I actually just 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:39.400 visited for the first time. I went ice skating in Duluth, Georgia, 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:41.679 and to kind of get a sense of what this town. 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:44.200 It's not even really a suburb of Atlanta, it's it's 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:46.920 so far north. As I was, ice is skating there, 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:50.480 I'm pretty sure like a Christian cult showed up and 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:52.680 they had all their members also ice skated, because they're 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:54.920 all wearing like the same outfits. They hold like very 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:58.640 specific like headscarves. A few of like the more like 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:00.880 youth pastory types had like like you know, like christ 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:03.640 As King Taype puddies. But it definitely wasn't like a 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:05.920 regular church it was. It was more of some kind 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:09.560 of like evangelical like cultish formation based on like the 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:13.080 uniform clothing. So that's deLuce Georgia. 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:14.520 Yeah. 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:16.760 Now, Charlie Kirk. 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:20.120 Gave a fifteen minute speech which he closed with a 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:25.280 spiritual appeal, saying, quote, you have a biblical obligation to 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:29.640 engage in this election and to fight evil. The Democratic 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:34.920 Party supports everything God hates unquote. Kirk then called this 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:39.400 election a quote unquote spiritual battle, and finally he said, 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:43.200 quote this is a Christian state. I want to see 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:47.280 that continue. So none of this is like new right. 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:50.559 This is kind of at this point bog standard Christian nationalism. 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:52.960 But this is a rally of about ten thousand people. 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:55.280 It's not an official Trump rally. It is a turning 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:58.439 point action rally that Trump did speak at. But I 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:02.280 like to hone in once again on Tucker Carlson's comments. Now, 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:05.600 he called this the first speech he's ever given at 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:08.199 a political rally. Now, both me and you saw Tucker 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:10.680 speak at the RNC. I guess he kind of views 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:12.560 the R and C is a little bit different from 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:14.840 like a standard like kind of more like a campaign 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:19.720 rally type event. But Tucker called Trump a triumph of 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:23.440 the human spirit, christ a triumph of the will. You 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:26.839 could say, yeah, yes, like what's another word for the 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:31.560 human spirit. But now I'm going to play Actually, this 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:34.760 is the longest clip we have, just because it's so fascinating, 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:36.480 and I have a lot that kind have written on 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:38.640 this already. I'm just going to play this clip. 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:49.720 There has to be a point at which Dad comes home. Yeah, 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:58.439 that's right, Dad comes home and he's pefted. 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:01.000 Dad is pissed. 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:03.800 He's not vengeful. 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:09.320 He loves his children, disobedient as they may be. He 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:12.640 loves them because there's children, they live in his house, 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:16.960 but he's very disappointed in their behavior and he's gonna 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:17.680 have to let them know. 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:20.720 He's gonna have to get. 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:24.320 To your room right now and think about what you did. 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:27.360 And when dad gets home, you know what he says. 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:32.000 You've been a bad girl. You've been a bad little girl, 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:35.800 and you're getting a vigorous spanking right now. And no, 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:38.560 it's not gonna hurt me more than it hurts you. 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:40.360 No, it's not. I'm not gonna lie. 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:42.560 That's gonna hurt you a lot more than it hurts me. 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:44.440 And you earn this. 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:48.079 You're getting a vigorous spanking because. 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:54.040 You've been a bad girl. Well that's just real sick 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:58.240 and deranged. I mean you can tell he really gets 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:00.800 off on spanking little girls. 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:07.000 I mean, like beyond like Tucker's like shown depravity here, 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:10.560 I also just find like the willingness of the audience 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:12.960 just to eat this stuff up and like really enjoy 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:16.679 it to like similarly be be like both like fascinating 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:18.720 and like a show of like a certain level of 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:19.800 a depravement. 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:24.200 Well it's this, it's leaning into what has always been 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:28.080 the core of like the most militant conservatism, which is 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:33.720 the like strict Christian conservative parents rights people sure be 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:37.680 like my children are my property, and also the right 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:40.480 way to parent is like a dictator. 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:43.880 I mean, this is like the most like openly Freudian 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:46.960 display of American fascism that I've ever seen before. 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:50.000 Oh yeah, oh yeah, It's amazing, this. 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:52.400 Idea of like a harsh father whose love is replaced 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:55.960 with fearful authority. It's really important that like America is 0:13:56.000 --> 0:14:00.679 framed as a bad girl. There's this like feminizing of them, right, 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:02.760 America is not like a bad little boy. A bad 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:06.920 Girl's like really important. Carlson's almost invoking like an incestuous 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:10.560 like domination. Yeah, it's it's quite sick, and like I 0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:12.240 had to actually like like look up stuff on this 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:14.000 because I'm like, I know, Freud and a few others 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:16.520 have like written about this type of thing before, and 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:19.480 specifically Adorno has written about this in an essay called 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:22.560 Freudian Theory and the Pattern of Fascist Propaganda that I'd 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:24.520 like to read just a few brief quotes. 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:27.080 From Oh I love some Adorno, Yes, please. 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:31.120 Quote There is either no mention of love whatsoever between members, 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:34.600 or it's expressed only in a sublimated and indirect way 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:37.240 through the mediation of some religious image. In the love 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:40.080 of whom the members unite and who's all embracing love 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:43.560 they're supposed to imitate in their attitude towards each other. 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:47.400 It seems significant that in today's society, with its artificially 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:51.640 integrated fascist masses, reference to love is almost completely excluded. 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:55.000 Hitler shunned the traditional role of the loving father and 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:59.000 replaced it entirely by the negative one of threatening authority. 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:04.120 I'm going to pivot to Freud here, specifically his essay 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:07.640 on group behavior and how individuals regressed become a part 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:10.360 of masses. He writes about how a leader of a 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:15.239 cult can exploit psychological shortcuts in its followers to embody 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:19.040 this like group ideal that governs their ego as a 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:22.760 substitution quote, the leader of the group is the dreaded 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:27.080 primal father. The group still wishes to be governed by 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:31.800 unrestricted force. It has an extreme passion for authority, It 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:35.560 has a thirst for obedience. The primal father is the 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:39.160 group ideal. This is like so displayed on what Tucker 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:41.840 is doing. Like this is just exactly what it is. 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:43.760 I mean, it reminds me of the other quote about 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:48.160 how people seek out salvation in subjugation. And I'll leave 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:49.880 just one more quote from Adorno here. 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:50.360 Quote. 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:53.200 Fascist agitation is centered in the idea of the leader, 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:56.200 no matter whether he actually leads or is only the 0:15:56.240 --> 0:16:00.440 mandatory of group interests, because only the psychological image of 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:03.720 the leader is apt to reanimate the idea of the 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:08.000 all powerful and threatening primal father. The formation of the 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:11.760 imagery of an omnipotent and unbridled father figure, by far 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:15.200 transcending the individual father and therefore apt to be enlargened 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:18.680 into a group ego, is the only way to promulgate 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:23.160 the passive masochistic attitude to whoms one's will has to 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:26.640 be surrendered, an attitude required of the fascist follower the 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:31.080 more his political behavior becomes irreconcilable with his own rational 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:34.000 interests as a private person, as well as those of 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:37.240 the group or class to which he actually belongs. The 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:41.480 follower's reawakened irrationality is therefore quite rational from the leader's 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:45.120 point of view. It necessarily has to be a conviction 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:48.440 which is not based on perception and reasoning, but on 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:53.280 an erotic tie. I'm sure someone more skilled than me 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:57.320 could write like a whole dissertation just on Tucker's speech here, 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:01.360 because it invokes so many of these ideas, and like 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:05.160 without trying to this is always like subconscious on their part, 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:08.160 like they're pulling on these things like specifically, like like 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:12.040 the passive masochistic attitude. It's like their submission to Trump 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:14.680 is like this deep masochistic urge. 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:17.760 There's another thing in there that I think is important, 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:21.040 especially because I'm hearing a lot of people talking about like, well, 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:24.040 once Trump pushes through his tariffs or does this or 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:27.080 does that, the horrible negative consequences of this will like 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:31.600 absolutely destroy the GOP right. That'll finally bring them down 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:34.840 to me let them, you know. No. And one of 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:37.080 the things that Dorno says there is that like the 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:39.639 leader doesn't even need to be pro and that's an 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:45.119 underdiscussed aspect of psychology and fascist states. One of the 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:48.520 phenomenons within Nazi Germany was, you know, there were a 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:54.399 number of Nazi policies, Hitler's policies that had serious negative 0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:57.000 effects on people in Germany, and one of the most 0:17:57.000 --> 0:17:59.480 common phrases that you would hear from them was if 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:03.119 only hit new right, you know, you usually deployed when 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:05.920 like you were dealing with a government agency that was 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:08.800 headed by just like an absolute criminal that you know, 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:11.640 Hitler had appointed that Like, Oh, well, Hitler doesn't know 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:13.800 that the Gestapo are doing this, right, you know, he 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:15.879 would stop this, he'd put a stop to this if 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:18.360 he knew, he wouldn't let this happen, Right, That's what 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:20.880 That's what Trump's believers. I don't know if that's what 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:25.480 the American people writ large may never buy into Trump 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:28.080 the way that the Germans bought into Hitler, but Trump's 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:30.160 supporters are certainly already there. 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:33.440 And this is something that Tucker saw in the audience 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:37.080 when he started on this rant. He started repeating certain 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:40.639 phrases because it got such a good reaction from the crowd. 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:42.160 Like this wasn't like planned. 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:45.200 It was it was him reading the crowd and realizing, oh, 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:47.480 they really like this. I'm going to keep doing it 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:50.719 and specifically this. This is also how he closed his speech. 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:52.960 And I don't believe this was this was planned. I 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:55.280 believe this was because of the reaction that the crowd 0:18:55.320 --> 0:18:57.480 had previously. I'm going to play the very end of 0:18:57.480 --> 0:19:00.640 his speech where he basically endorses like a coup. If 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:01.679 Harris actually wins. 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:04.760 If they do all of that, they need to lose. 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:06.920 And at the end of all of it, when they 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:11.080 tell you they've won, no, you can look them straight 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:12.639 in the face and say I'm sorry. 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:15.040 Dad's home and he's pissed. 0:19:16.359 --> 0:19:20.800 Thank you. 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:21.399 They love it. 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:24.880 Yeah, of course, of course, all they have ever wanted 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:30.480 is to be forced to be right, you know, and 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:34.120 to the extent that reality disagrees with their beliefs, which 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:37.760 it usually does, to be able to beat reality into 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:43.840 place and at least continue to trick themselves until they die, right, Like, 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:47.480 that's all the fascists I know, you know, the older people, 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:49.919 many of whom raised me. That's what it really was 0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:53.520 about for them, was never having to acknowledge the mistakes 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:56.320 that they had made, the things that they had supported 0:19:56.320 --> 0:19:59.600 that didn't work out. Like it was a rage at 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:03.040 the peopleeople who insisted on pointing out, Hey, you said 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:05.879 this was going to happen, and the opposite happened. So 0:20:05.960 --> 0:20:09.560 that promise of like, even if they win, Dad's going 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:15.640 to come home and beat them into submission is deeply attractive, I. 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:18.600 Mean, and even if it hurts your own like self interests, 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:22.800 your only class interests, right, And it's like replacing all 0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:25.560 of the anguish you have as like an individual person 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:29.280 and like replacing your own ego with the embodiment of 0:20:29.280 --> 0:20:31.520 this group ideal that is just someone else. Like this 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:33.800 is why so many people have like dedicated their lives 0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:35.359 to Trump. Like you look at all these like like 0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:38.959 boomers and even some like gen X people at these 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:42.560 Trump rallies who like Trump has like become like their personality. 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:46.639 He's fully occupied their life. And yeah, like that's it's 0:20:46.640 --> 0:20:48.960 similar into the way that like occult leader has like 0:20:49.000 --> 0:20:52.040 how Freud wrote about it. Freud wrote all that stuff 0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:54.920 like in the nineteen twenties before before like Hitler really 0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:57.199 rose to power, but he could like sense what was 0:20:57.240 --> 0:21:01.040 like coming in Germany. He could he could feel. Yeah, 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:03.359 and what I'm gonna feel right now is the products 0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:05.080 and services that support this podcast. 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:17.280 Huzzah, All right, we are back. 0:21:18.520 --> 0:21:23.040 I like to close by talking about Aurora, Colorado. Now, 0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:26.440 a tactic the Trump campaign consistently used this past year 0:21:26.680 --> 0:21:29.880 is to hone in on particular small communities as being 0:21:30.280 --> 0:21:34.600 taken over by immigrants who they would call like criminal migrants. 0:21:35.000 --> 0:21:37.800 The best known example of this is what happened in Springfield, Ohio, 0:21:38.200 --> 0:21:42.360 but this also happened in the Denver suburb Aurora, Colorado, 0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:45.679 after a video went viral showing men walking through an 0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:49.879 apartment complex holding firearms. A false claim then spread that 0:21:49.920 --> 0:21:54.359 a Venezuelan gang was forcibly taking over entire buildings in 0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:58.040 this city. At a Trump rally in Aurora on October eleventh, 0:21:58.560 --> 0:22:02.400 massive banners on both sides of the stage read Deport 0:22:02.560 --> 0:22:07.679 illegals now and end Migrant crime. On either side of 0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:11.280 the podium there were large mugshots of Latino men with 0:22:11.440 --> 0:22:17.600 text that reads occupied America. Steven Miller, now like Chief 0:22:17.640 --> 0:22:21.520 Advisor for Immigration Policy, takes the stage and says that 0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:25.160 the patriots gathered at this event can quote end the 0:22:25.200 --> 0:22:29.960 invasion and end the occupation by voting for Trump. 0:22:30.640 --> 0:22:33.960