1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: Cool media. 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 2: Welcome to it could happen here, a show about things 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 2: falling apart. We are back from our little break, and 4 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 2: today I'm joined with Robert Evans to discuss fascism. 5 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, yeah, I'm here. We're talking fascism. Listeners, 6 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 3: excuse me. I have a sinus infection. So that's why 7 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 3: it sound this way. 8 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 2: Oh that's why you sound like that. 9 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 3: Uh huh that sucks life. 10 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it might not suck as much as what 11 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 2: I had to do last week, which is uh, watch 12 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 2: this six part documentary about the twenty twenty four Trump 13 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 2: election campaign. God, well, the art of the surge, I 14 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 2: don't know. Overall, it was actually pretty boring. They were 15 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 2: obviously trying to edit it like a succession episode. Oh 16 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 2: my god, really obnoxious. There is some insight into like 17 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 2: the inner workings of the Trump team, like watching him 18 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 2: and his team react to the Kamala Harris, D and 19 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 2: C speech like workshop counter messaging was actually interesting, and 20 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 2: the doc does show kind of Musk's influence steadily ramping 21 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 2: up starting in July. The only time you see Trump 22 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 2: and Vance together is after Trump's ABC debate, when JD 23 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 2: Like preps him for the spin room. That's the only time, Wow, 24 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 2: we see them at a act. 25 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, that makes sense, Like I wouldn't want 26 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 3: to be in a room with JD Vans more than 27 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 3: I had to be, although the fact that he does 28 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 3: want to be in a room with Musk is baff lit. 29 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 2: Yes, and actually Musk and JD get along quite well 30 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 2: in the interactions that are seeing in the documentary Milania. 31 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 3: Trump never appears once, not a single time. Well, it's 32 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 3: good to know that they've they've managed to put together 33 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 3: a functional thrupple. 34 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 2: Ooh, don't like that. Don't like that at all, first, buddy, 35 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 2: the yikes. My biggest takeaway from this documentary is that 36 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 2: it just showed how much his rallies are a religious 37 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:03,279 Speaker 2: experience for his supporters, deeply deeply religious, especially the Butler 38 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:07,279 Speaker 2: Pennsylvania rallies, where everyone talks about it like they would 39 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 2: like like a genuine like limit experience or religious experience. 40 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 2: Right now, this episode, I actually I want to focus 41 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 2: on the rhetoric employed at these rallies in attempts to 42 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 2: label Trump a fascists. There's been a lot of discussion 43 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 2: on like Trump's authoritarian and dictatorial desires and tendencies and 44 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 2: expressions of those fears, in particular, were not enough to 45 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 2: persuade the majority of voters against Trump, let alone safe 46 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 2: and Republican support towards Harris and we on this show 47 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 2: have not talked much about the escalation of rhetoric used 48 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 2: by Trump and his allies this campaign cycle, with the 49 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 2: Biden administration's horrific border policies and the enabling of Israel's 50 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 2: genocidal actions in Gaza drawing a great deal of our 51 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 2: attention in the past few months, But now I do 52 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 2: want to draw attention to the ethno nationalist framing that 53 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 2: has become all too common, especially with the Democrats just 54 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 2: complete submission to try Trump and the GOP's distinct focus 55 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 2: on immigration as the top issue facing America. So part 56 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 2: of what I'm gonna do here is I've outlined a 57 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 2: few clips and some quotes I'm trying. I tried to 58 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 2: limit the clips because I know no one wants to 59 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 2: hear Trump and these guys talk for too long, but 60 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 2: I will play some. 61 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 4: And Robert, We've spent. 62 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 2: A lot of your time thinking about fascism in the 63 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 2: past few years and reading about fascism, so I'm certainly 64 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 2: curious on your thoughts on some of these clips and quotes, 65 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 2: as we'll kind of go through like three specific rallies, 66 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 2: mostly great and outline what type of rhetoric they are 67 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 2: using and what it kind of points to historically. Now, 68 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 2: one of the reoccurring phrases at Trump rallies this cycle 69 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 2: was that the United States has become an occupied territory. 70 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 2: Here's Trump invoking that language at a rally in Atlanta 71 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 2: a week before the election. 72 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 5: But it will soon be an occupied country no longer. 73 00:03:55,320 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 5: November fifth, twenty twenty four, will be Liberation Day in America, 74 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 5: and during day one, I will launch the largest deportation 75 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 5: program in American history. We're going to get these criminals out. 76 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 5: I will rescue every city in town that has been 77 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 5: invaded and conquered. 78 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 3: These towns have been conquered, you know, they have been invaded. 79 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 5: And can you imagine, just as though a foreign enemy 80 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 5: was invading, a military was invading. 81 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 2: Okay, I will rescue every city in town that has 82 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 2: been invaded and. 83 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 3: Conquered, conquered. 84 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, just as though an enemy, a foreign enemy was invading. 85 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean that's I don't even know what to 86 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 3: say about that. It's like that's textbook fascist shit, right, Like, 87 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 3: I mean, among other things, ramping everyone up to justify, 88 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 3: you know, at least the potential for violence against migrants. 89 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 3: You know, it's self defense, right. Yeah. 90 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 2: Now, I like to focus first on the Medison Square 91 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 2: Garden rally. Certainly the put floating island of garbage comments 92 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 2: from the roast comedian got a lot of media attention, 93 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 2: but what got less coverage was the much more historically 94 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 2: worrying statements made by those within Trump's circle. Let's start 95 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 2: with Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller. 96 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 6: America is for Americans and Americans only. 97 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 2: So, Robert, does that phrase remind you of any other 98 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 2: phrases that have been used over time? 99 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean like one people, one vulc one Reich, right, 100 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 3: I guess yeah, I mean again, Like I don't even 101 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 3: know what to say at this point, right, Like, we're 102 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 3: it's so obvious. When I started in the warning people 103 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 3: about fascism game, you had to like explain a lot 104 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 3: of history and then sort of like walk in, here's 105 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 3: how you know what this is a sign post? I mean, 106 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 3: when someone doesn't eighty eight this is what it means 107 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 3: or whatever, And we're so far past that like. 108 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 2: Well, and and specifically this one invokes the Germany is 109 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 2: for the Germans, which is a phrase that is banned 110 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 2: in Germany now due to its use during. 111 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 4: Not the era. 112 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 3: That gives us something to look forward to now. 113 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 2: In a rant advocating for election denial in the case 114 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 2: of Trump losing the election, Tucker Carlson referred to Kamala 115 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 2: Harris as a Samoan Malaysian low IQ. This is just 116 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 2: kind of baffling old school racism. Yeah, I honestly didn't 117 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 2: expect this type of thing to have such a resurgence 118 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 2: the past year. 119 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 3: More esoteric than I expected. 120 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's frankly odd now that Tucker also spoke about 121 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 2: how the elites are trying to replace the population and 122 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 2: the culture and customs of this country, just clearly invoking 123 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 2: the white nationalists, a great replacement ideology that he kind 124 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 2: of previously spread on his Fox show. 125 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 7: In a country that has been taken over by a 126 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 7: leadership class that actually despises them and their values and 127 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 7: their history and their culture and their customs, really hates 128 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,919 Speaker 7: them to the point that it's trying to replace them. 129 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 2: Very clear stuff. And Don Junior invoked very similar rhetoric, 130 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 2: saying that the government no longer puts Americans first and 131 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 2: that the Democratic Party would rather quote replace Americans with 132 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 2: people who will be reliable voters on Club Wow. And again, 133 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 2: this is types of stuff that we talked about in 134 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 2: like twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen. It's like like Laurens Southern 135 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 2: YouTube videos. 136 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 3: And like, if there's one thing that dims are bad at, 137 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 3: it's getting reliable voters. 138 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 2: Yes, Like, this is the type of stuff that was 139 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 2: so that was much more niche. And then you had 140 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 2: a few like four chan guys start like doing a 141 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 2: writing on Tucker's show, and now it's being used at 142 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 2: a disappoint the president's rallies. 143 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. Now, when Trump finally. 144 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 2: Took the stage, he mirrored Tucker's Kamala Harris IQ comments, 145 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 2: saying everyone knows she's a very low IQ individual. Like usual, 146 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 2: he called the press the enemy of the people, uh huh, 147 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 2: But he went on to describe the true enemy masterminding 148 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 2: the fall of America, the quote radical left machine that 149 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 2: has taken control of the Democratic Party. 150 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 5: It's just this a morphous group of people, but they're 151 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 5: smart and they're vicious, and we have to defeat them. 152 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 5: And when I say the enemy from within, the other 153 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 5: side goes crazy, becomes a sound the hole. How can 154 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 5: he say, no, they've done very bad things to this country. 155 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 5: They are indeed the enemy from within. 156 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 2: And I do find interesting the way he describes them 157 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 2: as like a morphous Yeah, it's not like a distinct sect. 158 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 2: It's not like a fuss of people. It's this like 159 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 2: a MorphOS almost like like a like like ethereal force 160 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 2: that can like inhabit people. 161 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 3: Well, you need that because, that, among other things, allows 162 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 3: you to refocus the lens on anyone. Yeah, right, Like 163 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 3: you need the opportunity to keep shifting because eventually, if 164 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 3: you're just actually focusing on a real, discreete group of 165 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 3: human beings, you get rid of those people, you throw 166 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 3: them in prison or whatever, and then you don't have 167 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 3: an enemy anymore. And you always need that. 168 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 4: And do you know what we need right. 169 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 3: Now, Robert Products and Services. 170 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, we do need to go on a quick break, 171 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 2: and then I come back to talk about Dluth, Georgia. 172 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 2: So not good, great, all right, we are back. I'm 173 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 2: gonna now turn to a Turning Point action event on 174 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 2: October twenty third in Dluth, Georgia, which I actually just 175 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 2: visited for the first time. I went ice skating in Duluth, Georgia, 176 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:41,679 Speaker 2: and to kind of get a sense of what this town. 177 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 2: It's not even really a suburb of Atlanta, it's it's 178 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 2: so far north. As I was, ice is skating there, 179 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure like a Christian cult showed up and 180 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 2: they had all their members also ice skated, because they're 181 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 2: all wearing like the same outfits. They hold like very 182 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 2: specific like headscarves. A few of like the more like 183 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 2: youth pastory types had like like you know, like christ 184 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 2: As King Taype puddies. But it definitely wasn't like a 185 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 2: regular church it was. It was more of some kind 186 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 2: of like evangelical like cultish formation based on like the 187 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 2: uniform clothing. So that's deLuce Georgia. 188 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. 189 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 4: Now, Charlie Kirk. 190 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 2: Gave a fifteen minute speech which he closed with a 191 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 2: spiritual appeal, saying, quote, you have a biblical obligation to 192 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 2: engage in this election and to fight evil. The Democratic 193 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 2: Party supports everything God hates unquote. Kirk then called this 194 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 2: election a quote unquote spiritual battle, and finally he said, 195 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 2: quote this is a Christian state. I want to see 196 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 2: that continue. So none of this is like new right. 197 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,559 Speaker 2: This is kind of at this point bog standard Christian nationalism. 198 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 2: But this is a rally of about ten thousand people. 199 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 2: It's not an official Trump rally. It is a turning 200 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 2: point action rally that Trump did speak at. But I 201 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 2: like to hone in once again on Tucker Carlson's comments. Now, 202 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 2: he called this the first speech he's ever given at 203 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,199 Speaker 2: a political rally. Now, both me and you saw Tucker 204 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 2: speak at the RNC. I guess he kind of views 205 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 2: the R and C is a little bit different from 206 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 2: like a standard like kind of more like a campaign 207 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 2: rally type event. But Tucker called Trump a triumph of 208 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 2: the human spirit, christ a triumph of the will. You 209 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,839 Speaker 2: could say, yeah, yes, like what's another word for the 210 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 2: human spirit. But now I'm going to play Actually, this 211 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 2: is the longest clip we have, just because it's so fascinating, 212 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 2: and I have a lot that kind have written on 213 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 2: this already. I'm just going to play this clip. 214 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 7: There has to be a point at which Dad comes home. Yeah, 215 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 7: that's right, Dad comes home and he's pefted. 216 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 3: Dad is pissed. 217 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 4: He's not vengeful. 218 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 7: He loves his children, disobedient as they may be. He 219 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 7: loves them because there's children, they live in his house, 220 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 7: but he's very disappointed in their behavior and he's gonna 221 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 7: have to let them know. 222 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 4: He's gonna have to get. 223 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 7: To your room right now and think about what you did. 224 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 7: And when dad gets home, you know what he says. 225 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 7: You've been a bad girl. You've been a bad little girl, 226 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 7: and you're getting a vigorous spanking right now. And no, 227 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 7: it's not gonna hurt me more than it hurts you. 228 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 4: No, it's not. I'm not gonna lie. 229 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 7: That's gonna hurt you a lot more than it hurts me. 230 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 4: And you earn this. 231 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 7: You're getting a vigorous spanking because. 232 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 3: You've been a bad girl. Well that's just real sick 233 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 3: and deranged. I mean you can tell he really gets 234 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 3: off on spanking little girls. 235 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 2: I mean, like beyond like Tucker's like shown depravity here, 236 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 2: I also just find like the willingness of the audience 237 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 2: just to eat this stuff up and like really enjoy 238 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 2: it to like similarly be be like both like fascinating 239 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 2: and like a show of like a certain level of 240 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 2: a depravement. 241 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 3: Well it's this, it's leaning into what has always been 242 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 3: the core of like the most militant conservatism, which is 243 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 3: the like strict Christian conservative parents rights people sure be 244 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 3: like my children are my property, and also the right 245 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 3: way to parent is like a dictator. 246 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 2: I mean, this is like the most like openly Freudian 247 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 2: display of American fascism that I've ever seen before. 248 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, It's amazing, this. 249 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 2: Idea of like a harsh father whose love is replaced 250 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 2: with fearful authority. It's really important that like America is 251 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 2: framed as a bad girl. There's this like feminizing of them, right, 252 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 2: America is not like a bad little boy. A bad 253 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 2: Girl's like really important. Carlson's almost invoking like an incestuous 254 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 2: like domination. Yeah, it's it's quite sick, and like I 255 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 2: had to actually like like look up stuff on this 256 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 2: because I'm like, I know, Freud and a few others 257 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 2: have like written about this type of thing before, and 258 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 2: specifically Adorno has written about this in an essay called 259 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 2: Freudian Theory and the Pattern of Fascist Propaganda that I'd 260 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 2: like to read just a few brief quotes. 261 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 3: From Oh I love some Adorno, Yes, please. 262 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 2: Quote There is either no mention of love whatsoever between members, 263 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 2: or it's expressed only in a sublimated and indirect way 264 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 2: through the mediation of some religious image. In the love 265 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 2: of whom the members unite and who's all embracing love 266 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 2: they're supposed to imitate in their attitude towards each other. 267 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 2: It seems significant that in today's society, with its artificially 268 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 2: integrated fascist masses, reference to love is almost completely excluded. 269 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 2: Hitler shunned the traditional role of the loving father and 270 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 2: replaced it entirely by the negative one of threatening authority. 271 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 2: I'm going to pivot to Freud here, specifically his essay 272 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 2: on group behavior and how individuals regressed become a part 273 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 2: of masses. He writes about how a leader of a 274 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:15,239 Speaker 2: cult can exploit psychological shortcuts in its followers to embody 275 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 2: this like group ideal that governs their ego as a 276 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 2: substitution quote, the leader of the group is the dreaded 277 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 2: primal father. The group still wishes to be governed by 278 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 2: unrestricted force. It has an extreme passion for authority, It 279 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 2: has a thirst for obedience. The primal father is the 280 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 2: group ideal. This is like so displayed on what Tucker 281 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 2: is doing. Like this is just exactly what it is. 282 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 2: I mean, it reminds me of the other quote about 283 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 2: how people seek out salvation in subjugation. And I'll leave 284 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 2: just one more quote from Adorno here. 285 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 3: Quote. 286 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 2: Fascist agitation is centered in the idea of the leader, 287 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 2: no matter whether he actually leads or is only the 288 00:15:56,240 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 2: mandatory of group interests, because only the psychological image of 289 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 2: the leader is apt to reanimate the idea of the 290 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 2: all powerful and threatening primal father. The formation of the 291 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 2: imagery of an omnipotent and unbridled father figure, by far 292 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 2: transcending the individual father and therefore apt to be enlargened 293 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 2: into a group ego, is the only way to promulgate 294 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 2: the passive masochistic attitude to whoms one's will has to 295 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 2: be surrendered, an attitude required of the fascist follower the 296 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 2: more his political behavior becomes irreconcilable with his own rational 297 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 2: interests as a private person, as well as those of 298 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 2: the group or class to which he actually belongs. The 299 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 2: follower's reawakened irrationality is therefore quite rational from the leader's 300 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 2: point of view. It necessarily has to be a conviction 301 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 2: which is not based on perception and reasoning, but on 302 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 2: an erotic tie. I'm sure someone more skilled than me 303 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 2: could write like a whole dissertation just on Tucker's speech here, 304 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 2: because it invokes so many of these ideas, and like 305 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 2: without trying to this is always like subconscious on their part, 306 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 2: like they're pulling on these things like specifically, like like 307 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 2: the passive masochistic attitude. It's like their submission to Trump 308 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 2: is like this deep masochistic urge. 309 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 3: There's another thing in there that I think is important, 310 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 3: especially because I'm hearing a lot of people talking about like, well, 311 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 3: once Trump pushes through his tariffs or does this or 312 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 3: does that, the horrible negative consequences of this will like 313 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 3: absolutely destroy the GOP right. That'll finally bring them down 314 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 3: to me let them, you know. No. And one of 315 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 3: the things that Dorno says there is that like the 316 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 3: leader doesn't even need to be pro and that's an 317 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 3: underdiscussed aspect of psychology and fascist states. One of the 318 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 3: phenomenons within Nazi Germany was, you know, there were a 319 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 3: number of Nazi policies, Hitler's policies that had serious negative 320 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 3: effects on people in Germany, and one of the most 321 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 3: common phrases that you would hear from them was if 322 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 3: only hit new right, you know, you usually deployed when 323 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 3: like you were dealing with a government agency that was 324 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 3: headed by just like an absolute criminal that you know, 325 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,640 Speaker 3: Hitler had appointed that Like, Oh, well, Hitler doesn't know 326 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 3: that the Gestapo are doing this, right, you know, he 327 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 3: would stop this, he'd put a stop to this if 328 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,360 Speaker 3: he knew, he wouldn't let this happen, Right, That's what 329 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 3: That's what Trump's believers. I don't know if that's what 330 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 3: the American people writ large may never buy into Trump 331 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 3: the way that the Germans bought into Hitler, but Trump's 332 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 3: supporters are certainly already there. 333 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 2: And this is something that Tucker saw in the audience 334 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 2: when he started on this rant. He started repeating certain 335 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 2: phrases because it got such a good reaction from the crowd. 336 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 4: Like this wasn't like planned. 337 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 2: It was it was him reading the crowd and realizing, oh, 338 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 2: they really like this. I'm going to keep doing it 339 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,719 Speaker 2: and specifically this. This is also how he closed his speech. 340 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 2: And I don't believe this was this was planned. I 341 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 2: believe this was because of the reaction that the crowd 342 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 2: had previously. I'm going to play the very end of 343 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 2: his speech where he basically endorses like a coup. If 344 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 2: Harris actually wins. 345 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 7: If they do all of that, they need to lose. 346 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 7: And at the end of all of it, when they 347 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 7: tell you they've won, no, you can look them straight 348 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 7: in the face and say I'm sorry. 349 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 4: Dad's home and he's pissed. 350 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 3: Thank you. 351 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 2: They love it. 352 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, of course, all they have ever wanted 353 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 3: is to be forced to be right, you know, and 354 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:34,120 Speaker 3: to the extent that reality disagrees with their beliefs, which 355 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 3: it usually does, to be able to beat reality into 356 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 3: place and at least continue to trick themselves until they die, right, Like, 357 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 3: that's all the fascists I know, you know, the older people, 358 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 3: many of whom raised me. That's what it really was 359 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 3: about for them, was never having to acknowledge the mistakes 360 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 3: that they had made, the things that they had supported 361 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 3: that didn't work out. Like it was a rage at 362 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 3: the peopleeople who insisted on pointing out, Hey, you said 363 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 3: this was going to happen, and the opposite happened. So 364 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 3: that promise of like, even if they win, Dad's going 365 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 3: to come home and beat them into submission is deeply attractive, I. 366 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 2: Mean, and even if it hurts your own like self interests, 367 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 2: your only class interests, right, And it's like replacing all 368 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 2: of the anguish you have as like an individual person 369 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 2: and like replacing your own ego with the embodiment of 370 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 2: this group ideal that is just someone else. Like this 371 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 2: is why so many people have like dedicated their lives 372 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 2: to Trump. Like you look at all these like like 373 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,959 Speaker 2: boomers and even some like gen X people at these 374 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 2: Trump rallies who like Trump has like become like their personality. 375 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 2: He's fully occupied their life. And yeah, like that's it's 376 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 2: similar into the way that like occult leader has like 377 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 2: how Freud wrote about it. Freud wrote all that stuff 378 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 2: like in the nineteen twenties before before like Hitler really 379 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,199 Speaker 2: rose to power, but he could like sense what was 380 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 2: like coming in Germany. He could he could feel. Yeah, 381 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 2: and what I'm gonna feel right now is the products 382 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 2: and services that support this podcast. 383 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 4: Huzzah, All right, we are back. 384 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 2: I like to close by talking about Aurora, Colorado. Now, 385 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 2: a tactic the Trump campaign consistently used this past year 386 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 2: is to hone in on particular small communities as being 387 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 2: taken over by immigrants who they would call like criminal migrants. 388 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 2: The best known example of this is what happened in Springfield, Ohio, 389 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:42,360 Speaker 2: but this also happened in the Denver suburb Aurora, Colorado, 390 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,679 Speaker 2: after a video went viral showing men walking through an 391 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 2: apartment complex holding firearms. A false claim then spread that 392 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 2: a Venezuelan gang was forcibly taking over entire buildings in 393 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 2: this city. At a Trump rally in Aurora on October eleventh, 394 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 2: massive banners on both sides of the stage read Deport 395 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 2: illegals now and end Migrant crime. On either side of 396 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 2: the podium there were large mugshots of Latino men with 397 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 2: text that reads occupied America. Steven Miller, now like Chief 398 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 2: Advisor for Immigration Policy, takes the stage and says that 399 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 2: the patriots gathered at this event can quote end the 400 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 2: invasion and end the occupation by voting for Trump. 401 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 6: Look at all these photos around me. Are these the 402 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 6: kids you grew up with? Are these the neighbors you 403 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 6: were raised with? Are these the neighbors that you want 404 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 6: in your city? No, these are the criminal migrants the 405 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 6: Kamala Harris brought into your community. 406 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 2: Again, It's all pretty brazen stuff. 407 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 3: Yep. Yeah, I mean we call that brazen. But like 408 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:58,640 Speaker 3: that's just mainstream now. Yes, Like the fight to look 409 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,919 Speaker 3: at migrants as human beings and have any kind of 410 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 3: samee justice you know for undocumented migrants in this country 411 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 3: has been completely botched. 412 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 2: There's something about like the suburban neighborhood idea that is 413 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 2: more like disturbing to me, like pointing to actual pictures 414 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 2: of people being Are these the kids you grew up with? 415 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 3: Yep? 416 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 2: And like the fight to like preserve this nostalgic idea 417 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 2: of like your childhood neighborhood, it's just so dark to 418 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:31,360 Speaker 2: me now. Invoking great replacement framing, Miller says that Kamala 419 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 2: Harris was bringing these immigrants into your communities and that 420 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 2: they are now taking over America. 421 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 6: We don't need in this country homeless migrants, criminal migrants. 422 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 6: We don't need migrants consuming and depleting our public resources, 423 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,919 Speaker 6: overwhelming our public schools, overwhelming our hospitals, taking over our 424 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 6: apartment buildings, and yes, murdering innocent Americans. You have a 425 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 6: right to love the community you grew up in. You 426 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 6: have a right to love your neighbors as they are. 427 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 6: You have a right to want a country that is of, by, 428 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 6: and for Americans and only. 429 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 2: Americans again with that, like you have a right to 430 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 2: love the community you grew up in, and then of 431 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 2: course like Americans for Americans, and Miller later closed his 432 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 2: speech by yelling, America will be reclaimed for Americans. 433 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 3: Oh gosh, yep. I mean, look, these people suffered no 434 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 3: consequences for what they did the last time, so they're 435 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,400 Speaker 3: going to keep pushing further. It's done nothing but work 436 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 3: for them. No one has ever taught them any lesson that, like, hey, 437 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 3: you've gone too far and now there are going to 438 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 3: be negative consequences. That hasn't happened. So yeah, they're just 439 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 3: going to keep getting more and more masked off. This 440 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 3: is where they've wanted to be, Miller, certainly from the beginning. 441 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 2: And they've used these past four years as prep work 442 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 2: to build them to this point. Of course, none of 443 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 2: what they're saying is like real in terms of like, 444 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 2: you know, buildings being taken over the famously pro Harris 445 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 2: liberal extremist group. The Aurora Police Department have continued to 446 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 2: clarify that no apartment buildings have been taken over by 447 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 2: any gangs, nor have tenants been paying gang members rent money. 448 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,640 Speaker 2: According to the police, none of the armed men seen 449 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 2: in that viral video who have all been since identified 450 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 2: or arrested. None of them have any ties to Venezuelan 451 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 2: gangs or organized crime. What happened was slum lords spread 452 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,640 Speaker 2: a false story about their apartment complex being taken over 453 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 2: by a gang as a way to get out of 454 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 2: doing repairs on the property, saying it was too dangerous 455 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 2: to enter the premises. Jesus, it was all like a 456 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 2: fucking scam by slum lords so that they wouldn't have 457 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 2: to fix their own apartment building. Denver seven found code 458 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,439 Speaker 2: enforcement and inspection records dating back to twenty twenty that 459 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:53,880 Speaker 2: show numerous violations prior to the influx of Venezuelan immigrants 460 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 2: in the Denver metro area. The complex is now under 461 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 2: new care, but a similar false tale of an apartment 462 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 2: building in Chicago being taken over by immigrant gangs went 463 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 2: viral in September due to the efforts of libs of 464 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,640 Speaker 2: TikTok and Elon Musk, with libs of TikTok saying quote, 465 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 2: first they did this in Aurora, Colorado, and now Chicago, 466 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 2: which city will be next? This invasion happened on Kamala's 467 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 2: watch unquote. The last thing I will mention here is 468 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 2: all of the blood comments that Trump has been making 469 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 2: the past year. In interview last year, Trump said that 470 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 2: immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country. It's so bad, 471 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,880 Speaker 2: and people are coming in with disease, people are coming 472 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 2: in with every possible thing that you could have unquote. 473 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 2: This clearly invokes like blood framing used by Hitler and Nazis, 474 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 2: and like eugenics in general. Yeah, and this is rhetoric 475 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 2: that he's continuing to use for the present. In an 476 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,120 Speaker 2: interview last month, Trump say that immigrants are naturally murderers 477 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 2: because quote, it's in their genes. We've got a lot 478 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,919 Speaker 2: of bad genes in our country right now. 479 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 3: I mean a lot of what this comes down to 480 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 3: is that after World War Two, we really needed to 481 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 3: execute a lot more people, you know, like you could 482 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 3: have quashed the eugenics movement. We needed to go after 483 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 3: a lot of people in the US. There were a 484 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:17,360 Speaker 3: lot of American fascists involved in eugenics, and after Treblinka 485 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 3: and Auschwitz, we really just should have cleaned house, and 486 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 3: instead we let all of these people get into think tanks. 487 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 2: I'm going to close with a quote from the Atlantic 488 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 2: here quote. When Trump was swaying to music at a 489 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 2: surreal rally, he did so in front of a huge slogan, 490 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 2: trump was right about everything. This is the language borrow 491 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 2: directly from Mussolini, the Italian fascist. Soon after the rally, 492 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 2: the scholar Ruth ben Gate posted a photograph of a 493 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 2: building in Mussolini's Italy displaying the slogan Mussolini is always right. 494 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 2: Uh huh, And that reminded me of what you said 495 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 2: earlier about how these people just always wanted to be right. 496 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,479 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, that's the that's the core of it. 497 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 2: Similarly, like people can surrender their own individual ego and 498 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 2: substitute it with this image of Trump right, Trump was 499 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 2: right about everything. 500 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 5: Yep. 501 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 2: Anyway, this is kind of what I wanted to put together, 502 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,919 Speaker 2: just focusing on on all of these things, because I mean, 503 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 2: as much as you know, foreign policy in America is 504 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 2: always kind of fucked. Domestic policy, I think, does often 505 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 2: get changed based on who is in office. And this 506 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 2: is what we're going to be dealing with these four years, 507 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 2: especially with Miller taking a larger and larger role inside 508 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 2: the White House. 509 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,159 Speaker 3: We sure are, so everybody, buckle up. 510 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: It could happen Here is a production of cool Zone Media. 511 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website 512 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: Coolzonemedia dot com, or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, 513 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. You can 514 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: now find sources for it could happen here listed directly 515 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: in episode descriptions. Thanks for listening.