1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 2: Well, let's get to someone who's definitely a triple threat. 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 2: We're talking about Mark Duplas, who is award winning actor, 4 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 2: filmmaker producers company Duplas Brothers Productions, joins us here live 5 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 2: at screen time. 6 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 3: How are you? I'm great? How are you guys? 7 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 2: Doing okay? 8 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 3: Doing okay? 9 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of the Morning Show, But. 10 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 3: Thank you, you do it all. 11 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 2: Is there one that I'm sure you get this in 12 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 2: a million times, that you like more than most in 13 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 2: terms of doing, producing, directing, or do you love how 14 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 2: everything kind of helps the other thing. 15 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 3: I do like the blending of all the things. 16 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 4: And I come from the independent sector, you know. I 17 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 4: came into this business making three dollar movies in my 18 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 4: kitchen with my brother on our parents video camera. 19 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 3: So I'm no stranger to doing at all. 20 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 4: But that said, I think that as I've been fortunate 21 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 4: enough to do both indie projects and also be on 22 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 4: a show like The Morning Show, which you know, one 23 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 4: day's catering on that show is more expensive than most 24 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 4: of the work I make. 25 00:00:57,680 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 3: I like the balance, you know. 26 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 4: I like hanging lights with my friends and sweating on 27 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 4: my indie projects. But then I like when my burrito 28 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 4: has brought to me in the trailer of the morning 29 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 4: show and I'm taking care of So these. 30 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 3: Are the things. Well, someone who likes burrito is. 31 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: It doesn't like a burrito delivery, also a trailer pretty nice. Yeah, 32 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 1: I'm wondering about if you were getting into the business 33 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: right now and how that would be different. It's like 34 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: you're making movies in your kitchen with your brother, but 35 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: maybe you'd be using an iPhone, you'd be editing it 36 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: using AI. 37 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 4: I think the headline is the democratization of the technology 38 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 4: has made it so wonderful that you can make anything 39 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 4: you want now so much more cheaply than I had it. 40 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 4: So you have it a lot better than me on 41 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 4: that front, but you have it way worse than I 42 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 4: had it in two thousand and five when I came in. 43 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 3: Because we talk about that. 44 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 4: But the distribution channels are not there, right, and so 45 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 4: we're now experiencing sort of the death of the hyperbolic 46 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 4: television movement. 47 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 3: Right. 48 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 4: And we staffed up and we got all ready for it, 49 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 4: and here we are and then it just dried up 50 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,639 Speaker 4: on us. So now we're going to have to start 51 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 4: a new road of direct consumer distribution. You know, we're 52 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 4: working in so many different models now. We're making television 53 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:12,239 Speaker 4: series completely independently and taking them out and selling them afterwards, 54 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 4: because it is the wild West. 55 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's funny that you say that, because 56 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 2: I think about something like YouTube and how much I 57 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 2: want YouTube and specific channels and like anybody can put 58 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 2: anything up there. When you think about distribution, channels or 59 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 2: what seems to provide the most opportunities for you, especially 60 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 2: since you say you play a bit more in the 61 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 2: indie world. 62 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean, look, I'm very very fortunate and 63 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 4: that I've been doing this for twenty years, so you know, 64 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 4: I at least have somewhat of a name that people 65 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 4: are interested in working with us. But I think YouTube 66 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 4: is certainly exciting because you can put it up, it 67 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 4: can catch fire. But the monetization of that and sustainability 68 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 4: is really questionable in my opinion. 69 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 3: But then you have these. 70 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 4: Smaller substreamer services like you look at Dropout TV and 71 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 4: what they're doing in comedy, and you look at Shutter. 72 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 4: You know, they've become the home of horror fans as 73 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 4: a subsidiary under ams, you know, and they're doing things 74 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 4: in a low cost model. So I think the future 75 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 4: here is going to be figuring out how to make 76 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 4: things relatively cheaply, cutting your big producer fees, cutting a 77 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 4: lot of everybody's fee across the board, and then when 78 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 4: you're in a position to be on top and power, 79 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 4: really share that back end with people. And that's how 80 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 4: I came up an independent film. We would make movies 81 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 4: for one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Everybody would make 82 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 4: one hundred bucks a day. It was creative communism, and 83 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 4: then you get points. We could take them to Sundance 84 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 4: and sell them for a couple of million bucks, and 85 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 4: the sound guy would make fifty thousand dollars and buy 86 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 4: a home. 87 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:33,519 Speaker 3: It was a beautiful time. 88 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 4: It's not quite that easy anymore, but there's something in 89 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 4: that model that will still work. 90 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: I talked to somebody who lives out here's in the industry, 91 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: has been doing this for thirty years, and he was like, 92 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: I've got award winning casting directors walking dogs on rover 93 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:47,119 Speaker 1: to make ends meet. 94 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 3: No, it's real, I did that bad. 95 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 4: I mean I live in the valley, which is you know, 96 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 4: the place where basically below the line union heads were 97 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 4: able to buy their homes, you know, and that was 98 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 4: under the sort of unspoken promise that this industry would 99 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 4: continue to boom. Strikes fires, but not just that, the 100 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 4: death of the streaming wars, which were unsustainable from them. 101 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 4: That was just an arms race to see. So Netflix 102 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 4: one who could chuck somebody out? 103 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 3: Right? 104 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: Netflix and Apple are the winners. 105 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 4: I mean TVD because we could see a merger happen 106 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 4: in five minutes after this that changes everything, and there 107 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 4: are won't I won't go that far, but yes, there 108 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 4: are certain people that have interests. 109 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 3: In those mergers and don't have interests. 110 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: So does do you see the industry getting better? 111 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 4: I think the industry is going to change. Look, I've 112 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 4: been in this for twenty years. I know people who 113 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 4: are been in this for much longer than me, and 114 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 4: we there are times when, oh my god. 115 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 3: It was the nineteen eighties. 116 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 4: If you had a movie that had, you know, a 117 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 4: gun and blood and some fighting in it, you could 118 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 4: take it to VHS and you'd make your money and 119 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 4: it was a killer. In the nineties, it was that 120 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 4: for DVDs and the two thousands. The streamers came in 121 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 4: and I got to make all these cool movies for 122 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 4: Netflix and TV. But it's going to change. We don't 123 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 4: know which way it's going, but we got to be vigilant. 124 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: You know. 125 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 2: It's We've seen it in the media industry and we 126 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 2: still like being in it. It's incredible to be thirty 127 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 2: seconds still having fun. 128 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 3: You like it, I love it. I don't say I'm 129 00:04:58,839 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 3: having fun all the time. 130 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 4: Bill A deep responsibility for like my brothers and sisters 131 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 4: in LA and in New York and everywhere who are 132 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 4: just getting choked out by this business. So I'm trying 133 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 4: to find what is that thin lane that I still 134 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 4: want to make outlier interesting content but at the right 135 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 4: price that. 136 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 3: Makes sense and sustains us. And I don't have all 137 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 3: the answers for that, So appreciate. 138 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 2: You joining us. I know you're growing up on a panel. 139 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 2: Looking forward to hearing that as well. Mark, Thank you 140 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 2: so much. 141 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 3: Sureus guys, Yeah, take care. 142 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 2: Mark Duplas joining us right here of course on Who 143 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 2: Burgers this weekend.