1 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome in another edition of Crush City Territory. 2 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: I'm Chandler Rome, joined by Tyler Stafford. Where Tyler, you're 3 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 1: in Houston. I am in Hell, which is the middle 4 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: of Walt Disney World Resort here in Orlando, Florida, where 5 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: the Winter Meetings will wrap up in about an hour 6 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: or so the Rule five draft will happen, and that 7 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: is the unofficial end of the Winter Meetings. As these 8 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: meetings go, anything can happen at any time. Right before 9 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: we hit record, Tyler Pete Alonzo came to an agreement 10 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: on a five year, one hundred and fifty five million 11 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 1: dollar deal with the Baltimore Orioles. That happened just before 12 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: we hit record. So who knows what will happen while 13 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: we're talking. But as of now, the Astros have done 14 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: nothing at the Winter Meetings. They made the signing of 15 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: Ryan Weiss's official on Tuesday, and that counts as about 16 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: the only actual move that they pulled off. But we 17 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 1: have a ton of talk about because Joe A. Spotta 18 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: met with the media here, Dana Brown spoke two nights 19 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 1: in a row, so we have a little bit better 20 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: of a sense of understanding of what the Ashers are 21 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: gonna do this offseason and kind of what their next 22 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: steps are Tyler. But I think anyone that expected the 23 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: Ashers to come here and make a bunch of deals 24 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 1: and have them all done by the time they left 25 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: on Wednesday, I think that felt a little misguided. 26 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 2: Uh yeah, how come they're not doing stuff? Step it up? 27 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 2: You got to investigate more. Where are all these deals 28 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 2: that are supposed to be happening? 29 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I mean they're trying their best. I 30 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: will say that, you know, the one thing about you know, 31 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: surveying everyone that's here, because for those that don't know 32 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: kind of how the Winter Meetings work, everyone in baseball 33 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: is here. Everyone maybe aside from the players, but every 34 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: other non playing personnel and baseball is here. And so 35 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: you just get to you run into different people with 36 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: different teams, You run into agents, you run into you know, 37 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: coaches from other teams, and they all want to know 38 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: kind of what is your team doing, what are the 39 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: Astros doing? And the consensus that I was able to 40 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: get from the three days here, some of it off 41 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: the record from other teams, but some of it, you know, 42 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: Dana Brown being pretty forthright is that this is going 43 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: to be a trade heavy winter for the Astros are 44 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 1: going to do most of their heavy lifting via trade. Tyler, 45 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: I think we knew that coming in, but that has 46 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: kind of been crystallized here that their additions are going 47 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: to come via the trade market. They are seeking young, 48 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: controllable starting pitching in the trade market because, as we've 49 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: talked about, that is their number one priority is to 50 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,959 Speaker 1: supplement the rotation that is going to most likely lose 51 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: fromber Veldez, So they need to reinforce that rotation. Look 52 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 1: for someone that can slot right in the middle. And 53 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 1: I think you know, one thing that did come out 54 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: that we reported on Monday night was that the Asher 55 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: do have at least one target in mind. It's a 56 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: Houston native. His name Shane Boz plays for the Tampa 57 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: Bay Rays. He is in his first year of arbitration eligibility. 58 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 1: He's also a Houston native. Went to Concordia Lutheran, was 59 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 1: a twelfth overall pick in the twenty seventeen draft. Tyler, 60 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: I want to caution everyone here, just because I reported 61 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: that Shane Boz is a target, that doesn't mean they're 62 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: going to get him. That doesn't mean the deal is 63 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: close or imminent or gaining any traction, But the Rays 64 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: and the Astros have talked about the framework of what 65 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: a potential deal could look like. The Rays have told them, 66 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: here are the players we like. The Astros have considered that, 67 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: and there have been some talks, but rest assured other 68 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: teams want Shane Boz to He is in high demand 69 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: if he is available, and I think it goes to 70 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: show Tyler what the Astros are searching for. They are 71 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: searching for, maybe not a finished product, not a guy like. 72 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 3: A Fromber or a Ranger swore. 73 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: Az or Michael King that has done it before that 74 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: is established like those free agents. They're looking for guys 75 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: that they're pitching development and they're pitching infrastructure, can can 76 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: turn into. 77 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 3: Do what they do best, make these guys better when 78 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:19,799 Speaker 3: they get to Houston. 79 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we've certainly seen them be able to 80 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 2: do that. I like Shane boz He had a really 81 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 2: good year now two seasons ago in twenty twenty four. 82 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 2: He was out for most of the twenty twenty or 83 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 2: most of the twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three 84 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:41,919 Speaker 2: with injuries, but had a really good year in twenty 85 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 2: twenty four an okay year last year, but he threw 86 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,359 Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty six innings, which is what the 87 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 2: Astros are looking for. And yeah, I mean he's got 88 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 2: good stuff. I could certainly see that being, you know, 89 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 2: a reclamation project, although I will say you typically want 90 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 2: your reclamation projects to come from teams that are dumber 91 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 2: than you. Uh. And it's always concerning when the Rays 92 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 2: are okay with trading away somebody just because they are 93 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:16,239 Speaker 2: also pretty good at picking things up off the scrap heap. 94 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean that that makes a ton of sense, 95 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 2: Like that's that's the type of guy that the Astros need, 96 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 2: a controllable starter, but somebody that they're not going to 97 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 2: have to break the bank for, you know, They're they're 98 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 2: not gonna have to send crazy amounts of capital for 99 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 2: for Shane Boz. Yeah. 100 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: And I think that's the natural next question I think 101 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: everyone listening to this will have is kind of what 102 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: do the Rays want? What what are they looking to get? 103 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 1: You know, from what I'm told, the Rays like Jacob 104 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: Melton a good bit. If there is an area from 105 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: which the Astros can trade, it is their center field depth. 106 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: Because as we've discussed, Jake Myers is coveted by a 107 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,039 Speaker 1: lot of teams. Jacob Melton obviously has some value, and 108 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: then Zach Cole, Dana Brown, and Joe Spot I can't 109 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,720 Speaker 1: stop talking about him, So I imagine he's in their 110 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: plans in some form or fashion. 111 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 3: This coming season. 112 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 1: So if they're going to trade from somewhere, i'd imagine 113 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: it would be that that those three center fielders. I've 114 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 1: been told specifically that you know the Rays. If if 115 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: you've got to make them pick from those three, I 116 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: think Melton would be the guy that intrigues them the most. 117 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 3: But that doesn't mean he has to be in the deal. 118 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 1: I mentioned Anderson Brito, who tore up the Arizona Fall 119 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: League this this past year. I think he's gotten up 120 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: to double A. He's one prospect that intrigues the Rays. 121 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: But again that's not that doesn't mean that just Melton 122 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 1: and Anderson Brido are going to get it done. That these 123 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: things go through different permutations. Those are just names that 124 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: have been floated, So again, don't take that and run 125 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: with it as it's done and it's a two for 126 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: one deal and it will be good to go. Like 127 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 1: I think, you know the Astros have other interests. They 128 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 1: have other pictures that they've looked that they have talked 129 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: to the Royals about their about their like stable of 130 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: surplus starting pitching, and the Royals need outfielders, so that's 131 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: a pretty logical match. They like Pep Mike Burrows, not 132 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: Pee Burrows. Mike Burrows of the Pittsburgh Pirates. He's a 133 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,239 Speaker 1: name that that has been brought up a couple of times. 134 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: But the Pirates have already made a trade to send 135 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: a young starting pitcher to the to the Red Sox 136 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: for that past for that guy that they call the Password. 137 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: They've already done that, So I don't know if that 138 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: would lessen the likelihood that Pittsburgh trades another one of 139 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: their young starters. 140 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 3: But who knows. 141 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 2: Do they have any other young good starters on the 142 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 2: on the Pirates? 143 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 3: I think I think they have one. Mm hmmm, he's okay. 144 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 2: I'm sure Melton could get that done, right for Paul Skeins. 145 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 3: I'm sure. Yeah, I'm sure they'll they'll. 146 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 2: Be might as well try it. The worst they can 147 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 2: say is. 148 00:07:56,200 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: No, right, right, Like make the call all it costs 149 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: you is like no, I'm sure no one's called them 150 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: on Paul Skins and tried to pry Paul Skins away. 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We really really would appreciate it. 161 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: Joe Aspata talked on Monday. Uh first time we've talked 162 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: to Joe on the record since a lot of stuff 163 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: since the coaching changes, say over all his staff all. 164 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,119 Speaker 1: Uh so, a lot of time was spent maybe debriefing 165 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: on that. But you know, a couple of things he said, 166 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: Tyler that caught my eye and kind of maybe crystallized 167 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: a little bit what the astras are going to have 168 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,079 Speaker 1: to do moving forward. 169 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 3: You know. 170 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: He did talk about Jordon Alvarez and he said that 171 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: the astros ideally would like Jordon Alvarez to quote spend 172 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 1: most of the season end quote as the Astros designated hitter. 173 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: That is to keep him healthy, that is, to keep 174 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: his bat in the lineup, that is, to keep him upright. 175 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: They have determined that that is the best course of 176 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 1: action to keep Jordon Alvarez at the DH spot. We're 177 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: going to take this conversation in parts because there's a 178 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: lot of moving parts here that I'll tie into maybe 179 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: a bigger theme. But I was a little surprised to 180 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:47,199 Speaker 1: hear that, Tyler, just because you know, Jordon's two injuries 181 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: last year were not left field related incidents. You know, 182 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: he sprained his ankle touching home plate running the bases, 183 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: and then the hand thing was kind of a kind 184 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: of a chronic thing that just it finally happened. So 185 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 1: I was a little surprised, just given that Alvarez has 186 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: talked in the past that he likes to play left field, 187 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: he likes to be out there, and he likes to 188 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:08,839 Speaker 1: be engaged. 189 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 3: And like we talked. 190 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: About in the last part with Josh, you know, they 191 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: between Alvarez and al Tuove, they were gonna have to 192 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: make a decision on which of these guys do you 193 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:23,199 Speaker 1: want to risk playing a lot of defense next year, 194 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: and I think we all thought it would be Alvarez 195 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: because of his age, because of you know, the relative 196 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: you know, being able, to his willingness to go out 197 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 1: there and play left field. But that's not the case. 198 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: They basically want him to be an everyday DH next season. 199 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure that's what they want. I 200 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 2: believe it was the great philosopher Mike Tyson who said 201 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 2: everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth. 202 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 2: Like you can say you want Alvarez to spend most 203 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 2: of the season at DH, but you know, al Twove 204 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 2: could have his foot flare up in April and have 205 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 2: to spend four weeks, you know, just being able to 206 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 2: play DH, or you know, the roster may change, or 207 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 2: who knows, maybe one of your outfielders gets injured, and 208 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 2: it's just like, well, all hands on deck, you know, 209 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 2: you got to have everybody out here. So yeah, I mean, 210 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 2: it's it's interesting, But at the end of the day, 211 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 2: I understand it from a team perspective of what's the 212 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:32,199 Speaker 2: one bat we can't afford to lose and it's jord On, 213 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 2: So how do we keep him the safest, make sure 214 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 2: that he is only hitting, so it makes sense. But 215 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 2: I don't think that means that that is what will happen, 216 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 2: because I don't think anything that happened last year went 217 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 2: according to plan and they had to figure it out 218 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 2: as they went along anyway. But it is interesting to 219 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 2: come out and say already, yeah, this is this is 220 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 2: what we want Alvarez to do and it it also 221 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 2: is interesting that that didn't come coupled with and obviously 222 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 2: al Tuve will just play left field. It was the 223 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 2: opposite of that. It was like, yeah, well he's going 224 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,199 Speaker 2: to be a second basement. So what was his exact 225 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 2: quote on that? 226 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm glad you meant before we get to 227 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: the Alte thing, I'm glad you mentioned that, you know, 228 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: these are the best laid plans, Like it's fine to 229 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: say this on December. Well he said it on December eighth. 230 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: We're talking on December tenth. Joe said this on December eighth. 231 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 1: They were also saying in January of last year that 232 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: Josel Tube was gonna be their everyday left fielder, and 233 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,439 Speaker 1: you saw that that did not happen because injuries and 234 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: underperformance and circumstances. So take it for what it is 235 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: that this was set on December eighth, but it's what 236 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: we have to go on, and it's the manager of 237 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: the team who is very careful with what he says 238 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: and is very careful with how he says it. If 239 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: he's saying it, then that is their plan for now. 240 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: So it's what we have to go on. So you 241 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: talked about al Tuve with that revelation that Alvarez will 242 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: be a primary DH or the everyday DH, that the 243 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: logical question is okay, the what happens in left field. 244 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: Joe Aspotto was a little bit less forthright and bold 245 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: about what he said about al Tuve for no other 246 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: reason than he wants to sit down with al Tuove and, 247 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: you know, firm this up first and to really really 248 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: iron this out and make sure everyone's on the same page. 249 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: I don't take that to mean that they haven't talked 250 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: about this. I know they have, but I think they 251 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: just need to really. I think al Twove is still 252 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: recovering from the foot procedure he had. They want to 253 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: get him just when he's past that and he's ready 254 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: to start, you know, his his. 255 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 3: Ramp up in the winter. 256 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: They want to sit down and make sure that this 257 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: is a course of action they want to take. But 258 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: as to what Joe's spot has said about who's al 259 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: tuove essentially and I'm paraphrasing here said that they most 260 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: of his time will come back a second base, that 261 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: he can play left field, that he has shown that 262 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 1: he can do it, and that there may be times 263 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 1: when they ask him to do that. There will be 264 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: days when they want to give certain guys days off, 265 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: they want to get a certain guy in a lineup 266 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: against a certain handed pitcher. And yes, jose L Twovey 267 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: will get an occasional cameo in left field. But his 268 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: exact words, Jose I'll quote him directly from he was 269 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: on mL When he went on MLB Network on the 270 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: set of MLB Network on Monday, he was a little 271 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: more candid than he was when he talked. 272 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 3: To the reporters. 273 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: When he talked to us in a group setting on 274 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: MLB Network, he said, second base is al two Ve's 275 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: quote prime position, and then he added, I think we're 276 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: going to see him play there more this season now 277 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: he has no other choice if jod On Alvarez is 278 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: going to be the DH. So what that all begs 279 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: the question Tyler, if jose L Tuve is playing second 280 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: base more often than not, if jord On Alvarez is 281 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: dhing more often than not, where does Paradis fit into this? 282 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: And how is this practical to carry both Escoc Paradus 283 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: and Christian Walker on a roster when you now know 284 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: that the two ways you could make it work with them, 285 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: whether it was cycling a lot of guys through the 286 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: dh roll while two Ve and Alvarez shared left field, 287 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: or it was you have second base vacant, you could 288 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: stick Paradus there and hope he survives. Those two avenues 289 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: are gone, you have no way to guarantee that you 290 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: can get every day at bats for both Escoc Paratus 291 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: and Christian Walker. And I think Joe's comments this week 292 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: really christ salize that they may not have a choice 293 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: but to trade one of these two guys off the roster. 294 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, and this can also be smoke screen for other 295 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 2: gms that he's said. You know, this could be that 296 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 2: Brendan Donnovan's price was too high. So I'm going to 297 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 2: go on TV and say, al two bas my everyday 298 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 2: second baseman, And I'm okay with that. You know, like 299 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 2: these things change, so often. But yeah, regardless of these comments, 300 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 2: they were gonna have to trade Parady's or Walker, Like 301 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 2: you're just not gonna be able to carry both of 302 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 2: those guys. But certainly, if they're thinking Al two B 303 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 2: is gonna play every day at second base, to me, 304 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 2: that signals that you almost have to keep Walker for 305 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 2: his defense and his range at first base. If you're 306 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 2: planning on playing Al two a one hundred and thirty 307 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 2: games at second base, I don't know that you can 308 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 2: play him and Parades on that side of the infield 309 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 2: every day. You know, those are those are two guys 310 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 2: that can get the that come right to them. But 311 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 2: are you know, not not rangey? And one of the 312 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 2: things that Christian Walker is best at is moving and 313 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 2: getting to those balls. So yeah, I mean, if All 314 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 2: two is playing every day at second base and you're 315 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 2: focused on defense, you're you're gonna need to keep Walker. 316 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 2: But again, like who knows at this point, right, Like, 317 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 2: if they make a trade today, you know, for a 318 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 2: second baseman, then the quote's going to be, well, I'll 319 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 2: twove can do anything. Well, we'll put them back in 320 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,880 Speaker 2: left field. He already did, you know, So who knows 321 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 2: at this point. But yeah, I mean they're they're gonna 322 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 2: have to trade one of Walker and Parades. 323 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 1: I think what it also comes down to is just 324 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: like the understanding that like jose L Tuvan jord and 325 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: Alvarez are the two cornerstones of this franchise. They have 326 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 1: been given the two biggest contracts in Jim Crane's ownership tenure. 327 00:17:55,840 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 1: They are paid and are treated as franchise corner stones. 328 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 1: Those guys are playing every day like there is not 329 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,880 Speaker 1: a world in which they're going to find a way 330 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 1: to make Altuve a part time player or like Alvarez 331 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 1: is going to like be moved around and maybe sits and. 332 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 3: Days like no, no, no, no. 333 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: Like these guys, if they are healthy, are playing anywhere 334 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 1: from one hundred and fifty to one hundred and sixty 335 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: games next year. Now, whether that's prudent with a thirty 336 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: six year old jose Al Tuove is another story. But 337 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 1: that is the situation and the reality of what they have. 338 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 1: So this notion that and Dana has tried to sell 339 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 1: this notion a few times at oh, like there's enough 340 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: at bats for them, right, Like we'll just cycle Paradus 341 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: through third base and shortstop and second and first and 342 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: he can DH some And like, I just can't get 343 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 1: on board with that for a couple of reasons. One 344 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 1: like Essac Paradus is you got him for the I 345 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: mean we've talked about like he is the ideal guy 346 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: for this lineup, s he's a ton of pitches, pulls 347 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 1: the ball a ton, The ballpark's perfect for him. Why 348 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 1: would you risk not being able to get a guy 349 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: that is so well suited for your ballpark and your club? 350 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: Why would you risk not being able to play him 351 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: every day? And by carrying him, that's what you're going 352 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: to risk because there just may be days when you 353 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: can't fit him in the lineup. 354 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 3: The other thing is, like. 355 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: Christian Walker is doing twenty million dollars next year, Estak Paradus, 356 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: according to MLB trade rumors, is going to make nine 357 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:31,959 Speaker 1: point three million dollars in arbitration. Is it really practical 358 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: to commit thirty million dollars to two players that as 359 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: we sit right now on December tenth, you cannot commit 360 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,919 Speaker 1: to giving these guys every day at bats because the 361 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: meaning of every day at bats is you play every day. 362 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: And I understand that, I'm sure there are machinations where 363 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 1: they can work it out to where they can get 364 00:19:55,640 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: these guys enough at bats. But you really think that 365 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: Jeremy Paine is gonna want to like take a day 366 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: off because they need to get Estock Paratius in the lineup, Like, 367 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: do you really like they're not gonna sit Carlos Krell 368 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 1: once a week to get Estoc Paratus, Like it just 369 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 1: doesn't make sense from a practical perspective to carry both 370 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: of these guys when there is not and straightforward avenue 371 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:23,360 Speaker 1: for these guys to play every day. 372 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there there is in the way that 373 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 2: it is currently constructed. It's jord On every day in 374 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 2: left field, i'l twove every day at second base, parades, daging. 375 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 2: You know that that's how you would have to do 376 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 2: it currently. 377 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:38,400 Speaker 3: But then they're not gonna do it. 378 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 2: Well that's what they said, you know. But if if 379 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 2: the season started tomorrow, I guarantee you that would be 380 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 2: the lineup. You know. It's it's just like I said, 381 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 2: right now, we're in smokescreen season of just everybody's trying 382 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 2: to make moves and what are you gonna do? But 383 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 2: the truth is is the way that the roster has 384 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 2: set up right now that's what it would be. But 385 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 2: every other team knows that too, and so that's the 386 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 2: other hard part is because every other team recognizes that 387 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 2: this is not the roster that the Astros want, it 388 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 2: feels like, oh, we can pick off these players and 389 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 2: maybe get a better deal for them because the Astros 390 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 2: have to do something. Etals don't have to do anything. 391 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 2: They could play the roster that they have and the 392 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 2: lineup would would work. It's just they don't want to 393 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 2: do that, or that's what they have said publicly. But yeah, 394 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 2: I mean, they're they're gonna have to trade one of them. 395 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 2: Obviously from a competitive standpoint, you would rather trade Walker 396 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 2: and find a way to have you know, parades in 397 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 2: there every day. 398 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 3: But yeah, he played first base. 399 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. But again I don't know that they 400 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 2: They certainly would not be excited at the prospect of 401 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:07,360 Speaker 2: Altuve and Pietes on that side of the infield every day. 402 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 2: That is not a good defensive infield, especially when you 403 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 2: have Hunter Brown just you know, getting ground balls every 404 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 2: other at bat. You know, that's not one that they 405 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 2: would be excited about either. So even in the like 406 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 2: dream world scenario with how they have everything set up right, 407 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 2: now they don't have it how they would like it 408 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 2: to be yet, so we know that moves are coming. 409 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 2: Something is going to happen here. But I mean, I 410 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 2: just I don't buy anything in December of Oh this 411 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 2: is where this guy Jordan is definitely going to d 412 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,400 Speaker 2: H every day. Like of course you would like him 413 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 2: to do that, but you may not have that luxury. 414 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 2: You know, you may just not be able to do that. 415 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's more than fair. 416 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: And that's why, like the caveat is that all of 417 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: these comments are on December eighth, and Joe has to 418 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 1: answer these questions because like this is the roster he has. Yeah, 419 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: Like he can't look into his crystal ball to know 420 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 1: what Dana Brown is going to do and what the 421 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 1: roster's going to look like in a week. I'm sure 422 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: if you ask Joe, like after these trades are made, 423 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 1: I'm sure maybe there'd be a little bit different conversation 424 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: of how they're going to do things. But again, the 425 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: way that the roster is constructed now, and I think 426 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 1: really independent of who they bring in, Like I think 427 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: Alvarez being the everyday DH is going to be independent 428 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: of anything they add to this roster. I think that 429 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 1: to me is because again he's not going anywhere, nor 430 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 1: is Altuove. I think the Altuove thing is. 431 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 3: A little bit more. 432 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: There's a little more flexibility there. They could maybe talk 433 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: about moving him the left field. They playing a little 434 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 1: bit more in the outfield, if they get an infielder 435 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: of some kind, if they get a true second baseman. 436 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: They do still have interest in Brendan Donovan, but I 437 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 1: don't think they're going to win that hitting war just 438 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 1: because a lot of teams are very interested in Brendan Donovan. 439 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 3: But I think it it. 440 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: Just goes to show that they've got a very flawed 441 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: just in terms of like roster construction at the moment, 442 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 1: Like they've got too many guys that can't play around 443 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: the diamond, Like they've got too many guys that aren't 444 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: versatile enough to spread around the at bats for. 445 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,199 Speaker 3: So they're gonna have to address that. 446 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: Like you said, I'm sure they would love to keep 447 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: Estoc Paradus. That is somebody that, as we have talked about, 448 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 1: is personifies what they want their offensive approach to be. 449 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: The pole power at dik And Park, the ballpark's perfect form. 450 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: But for all those reasons is why Estoc Paradus is 451 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: coveted by other teams, one of them being the Boston 452 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: Red Sox, who have expressed a good bit of interest 453 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 1: in Escoc Paradus. 454 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 3: Maybe. In a related note, Red. 455 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: Sox chief baseball officer Correct Wreslo has been very open 456 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: and saying that they are willing to trade from their 457 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: starting pitching depth. They are willing to trade there from 458 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 1: their young, controllable starting pitchers. You know, among the guys 459 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 1: that are that fit that category, Connelly, Early Peyton, Tole, 460 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,120 Speaker 1: the guys that made their debuts last year and are 461 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,719 Speaker 1: really really highly regarded in terms of being young guys 462 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 1: that the Ashers could could help. So Paradus is more 463 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 1: coveted league wide. The Red Sox are only one of 464 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: the teams that has shown interesting He's gotten They've gotten 465 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: a good bit of interest in Paradis for obvious reasons. 466 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: Christian Walker, on the other hand, I'm told that there 467 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: is a minimal interest. There has not been a ton 468 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 1: of phone calls, or really maybe any phone calls about 469 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: Christian Walker for the obvious reasons. The age, the the 470 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 1: stats last year were not good. After the All Star 471 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,120 Speaker 1: break they were better, but the contract right he's got. 472 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 3: He's out forty million dollars over the next two years. 473 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 1: So if if and win, or if or win, they 474 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: do have to break up this infield logjam, I would 475 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 1: be surprised if it's anyone other than Esak Paratus. 476 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 3: Now, maybe maybe. 477 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: There's a team that's that sees something in Christian Walker 478 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,400 Speaker 1: and that you know, wants that middle of the order, 479 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 1: right handed thump. Maybe it's a team that can afford 480 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: to give him every day at bats and has a 481 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: little bit of room to take on that money. Maybe 482 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: there's a team out there that the Ashers can find 483 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: to do a bad contract swap for bad contract swap, 484 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: like a team takes on Christian Walker's deal and the 485 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:48,399 Speaker 1: Ashers maybe take on a pitching contract that that is 486 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: of the same ilk but maybe has an age. Well, 487 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: you know, there're certainly matches that could be made. But 488 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: I think if you go by what the Ashers are 489 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 1: telling teams that they want young controllable pictures, they want 490 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: young controllable starters to supplement the rotation of these two guys, 491 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: I think estoc Paratus is the only guy that can 492 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 1: help you accomplish that. 493 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah, if you find a Walker spot, 494 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 2: it's a it's a favor, it's it's not you're you're 495 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 2: not getting a return. Again that the only one that 496 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 2: I could even see making sense is one, you know 497 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 2: that we talked about where maybe you have a starting 498 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,640 Speaker 2: pitcher who is owed too much money and you need 499 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,400 Speaker 2: a first baseman and you can just kind of swap 500 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 2: them and see what happens. I mean, we talked about, 501 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,120 Speaker 2: like Jose Barrios would make a lot of sense other 502 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 2: than the fact that the Blue Jays have a you know, 503 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 2: Hall of Fame first basement, so they're they're not taking 504 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 2: on Christian Walker. But you know, if Jose Barrios is 505 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,919 Speaker 2: planning for another team, that could be one where possibly 506 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 2: you could see a trade working where the salaries are 507 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 2: pretty equal, but another team needs a first basement, the 508 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 2: Astros needs to arting pitching. Maybe you could work it 509 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:06,439 Speaker 2: out that way. But yeah, I mean, look, they're gonna 510 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 2: they're gonna have to do a few moves. I mean, obviously, 511 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:14,120 Speaker 2: there's there's so much smoke around Jake Myers right now, 512 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 2: it's hard to believe that that isn't something that happens. 513 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 2: So we'll we'll see. If only we knew a reporter 514 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,199 Speaker 2: with boots on the ground that could tell us everything 515 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:26,880 Speaker 2: that's happening. 516 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, if only, if only there was somebody like that. 517 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 1: It is kind of you know, it is interesting the 518 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 1: way we started this conversation. The Mets need a first basement. Now, hey, 519 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:41,479 Speaker 1: Pete Alonzo's uh with Baltimore. The Mets have a pitching 520 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: contract and Code I senga that is I mean, Code 521 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: I sing has been fine, but maybe hasn't. That's a 522 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: contract they may want to get out from under. 523 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 3: I have not heard. 524 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 1: I have not I have not heard anything to tie 525 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: both of those teams together. 526 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 2: You heard it here first, we're doing it. 527 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: This is this is completely just me talking out loud. 528 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: But that is the sort of thing you would look at. 529 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: You mean, if the if the Mets cease, I mean, 530 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: Christian Walker did have an eight hundred ops after the 531 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: All Star brek last year. 532 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 2: He's still he's not He's not unplayable. He's just owed 533 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 2: too much money. Like that's that's the issue. If he 534 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 2: if he were in his first year of arbitration and 535 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 2: making you know, four million dollars, you'd be like, yeah, 536 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 2: that's fine, see what happens. But it's because he's making 537 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 2: twenty million dollars a year. That's the issue. And if 538 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 2: there were an owner that did not care about how 539 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 2: much money someone was making, it would be Steve Cohen. 540 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 2: So there you go. We're starting this room or now. 541 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: Code I single with a with an even three ERA 542 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: in his two hundred and eighty five inning major league career. 543 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: You know, there are worse ideas, There are worse things 544 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: that they're out there. And again, I want to I 545 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: want to be I want to be completely candid. I 546 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: have heard nothing about the Astros and the Mets being 547 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 1: linked on any sort of deal like that. 548 00:29:59,040 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 3: This is just. 549 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: Two pals on a podcast talking about what could happen, 550 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: but it's. 551 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 3: Something to think about. 552 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: Like that is the sort of those are the sort 553 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: of trade partners the Ashers are gonna have to look for. 554 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: It's either going to be teams with surpluses of young 555 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: starting pitching that they be willing to trade from, or 556 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: it's going to be teams that that have bad contracts 557 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: that are looking to get out of them and you 558 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: hope that you can also give a bad contract to them. 559 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,239 Speaker 1: This is not a situation where like the Ashers can 560 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: go just pick their trade partner. Very specific set of circumstances, 561 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 1: a very specific set of needs. 562 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 3: But the Ashers are trying. 563 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: They've got a lot of different They've talked to a 564 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 1: lot of different teams about a lot of different permutations 565 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: of things. I know the next question is going to 566 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: be when do you think something gets done? 567 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 3: I do not know. You know, generally. 568 00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: Front offices and you know teams in general will shut 569 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: down for the holidays around December eighteenth, nineteenth ish, So 570 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 1: you could look at maybe the next today's December tenth, 571 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: You could look at maybe the next five to seven 572 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 1: days as all right, Dana and his team get back 573 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 1: from the winter meetings. They've got all these offers, they've 574 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: got all these things they've talked through. Maybe when they 575 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: get back in the office and they talk to the 576 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: guy that signs the checks, maybe they figure out what 577 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: is the course of action they want to do, and 578 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: then maybe you see something in this coming week before 579 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: everyone shuts down. 580 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 3: For the holidays. But that's just me guessing. I'm trying 581 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 3: to think. Was there anything else that. 582 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 2: Was Can you tell me about the draft? Yeah? 583 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: I watched the draft lottery unfold, A real piece of history. 584 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: The first time the Astras have ever participated in the 585 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: Draft lottery. I was lucky to be there. I'll never 586 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: forget it. Joe Spotta was the Astros reppers on the 587 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 1: stage and they had they had zero point three four 588 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: percent chance to win the lottery. To win the draft lottery, 589 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: they had the least the lowest odds because they were 590 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: I mean, if you don't make the playoffs, you automatically 591 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: get in the draft lottery. The Ashers had the best 592 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: record of any team that didn't make the playoffs, therefore 593 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: they had the lowest odds. They will pick seventeenth in 594 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 1: the draft. Joe spot exited the dais after the lottery 595 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 1: and said, damn it, Chandler and walked away. 596 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 3: So maybe it's my fault. 597 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 2: But you didn't try to like freeze an envelope or 598 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 2: however they did it, you know, I didn't. 599 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 3: But it was interesting. So there's an Asterers tie here. 600 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 3: This is interesting. 601 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 1: So Brett Phillips was the Raise representative on the on 602 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: the dais when they were doing and the Rays were 603 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: they had odds to be in the top six, but 604 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: they so they got the second over They ended up 605 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 1: getting the second overall pick. But before the lottery began. 606 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: A couple of the Rays scouted amateur scouting managers and people. 607 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 1: They told Brett Phillips, if we win the draft lottery, 608 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: you have to do the airplane celebration that he did 609 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: after after they won the World after they won the 610 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: World Series game, and he was like, They were like, 611 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: you have to do it. If we went a lot 612 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: that is how excited we will be. So as it 613 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: kept getting because they counted down from eighteen to one, 614 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: and as like I think after like the fourth pick, 615 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 1: when they revealed who got the fourth overall pick, like 616 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 1: Phillips was like he was pumping his fist, he was smiling, 617 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: Like the whole room was like losing it. Like I 618 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 1: think people were rooting for the race to get the 619 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: top pick just so we could watch Brett Phillips like 620 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: airplane around the stage on live television. 621 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 3: Then like maybe jump into the crowd. 622 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 2: He's happen, man, He's he's a goofball. He's so fun. 623 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 3: Sadly that did not happen. 624 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: The the the Chicago White Sox will pick first overall. 625 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 3: So the Astros, on the other hand, however. 626 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 2: They speaking of yeah, so seventeenth, they moved up one. 627 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 1: And they'll pick twenty eighth, remember because Hunter Brown, because 628 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: Hunter Brown finished third in cy Young voting, So because 629 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: of the PPI incentive, they will pick twenty eighth. Look, 630 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 1: the the placement of the picks are are great, obviously, 631 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 1: like I think everyone would agree with that. But the 632 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 1: amount of bonus pool money that the Ashers are going 633 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,919 Speaker 1: to get that matters so much more because look, they'll 634 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 1: they'll pick two good players in the first round obviously, 635 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 1: but when you have that amount of money, when you 636 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: have that amount of money in your bonus pool to 637 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 1: work with, it allows you to do so many different things. 638 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: Maybe in the back half of the first day of 639 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 1: the draft you can take a risk on a high 640 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 1: schooler in the second or third round that like maybe 641 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: in previous years, when you didn't have the bonus pool 642 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 1: you would you would have not been able to afford 643 00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 1: you can you can take a little bit more risk. 644 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 1: You can be you have access to players that maybe 645 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: were out of your price range just given the amount 646 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: of money you had the last few years. 647 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 3: So that is a big deal. 648 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 1: The the increased bonus pool that they will get from 649 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: the draft is a huge deal. And you know something, 650 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 1: Dana Brown said, I'm gonna bring it up just to 651 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 1: maybe underscore where they are market wise. They have all 652 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 1: these picks, right, They've accumulated, you know, two first round 653 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 1: picks and are going to be at the top, you know. 654 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,280 Speaker 1: Dana Brown was asked about free agents with qualifying offers, 655 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 1: which would if they would sign a free agent attached 656 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:36,760 Speaker 1: to a qualifying offer, they would forfeit. 657 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 3: I believe two of these picks. 658 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,799 Speaker 1: Dana Brown's quote, it's always tough when you're going out 659 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 1: on the free agent market. We really don't like losing 660 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 1: draft picks because that's the bloodline of this organization, that's 661 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 1: the future. If we could avoid that, we'll try. Yeah, 662 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,640 Speaker 1: they're not They're not signing a free agent to it. 663 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 1: They're not signing a free agent attachable. 664 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 2: I mean, even if it didn't have a qualifying offer, 665 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,359 Speaker 2: they're not paying a free agent right. They's much money, 666 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 2: Like anyone who got a qualifying offer is going to 667 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 2: command twenty twenty five million dollars a year easily. That's 668 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,800 Speaker 2: why they didn't accept a qualifying offer. So yeah, no, 669 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,720 Speaker 2: no shout, are they signing any of those guys. 670 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: It's why the the attachment to Ranger Suarez. The attachment 671 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,839 Speaker 1: to Dylan Cees like it just never made a ton 672 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: of sense, like from a money situation, from a draft 673 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 1: pick situation like it. 674 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 2: I mean, you have to call an ass you know, 675 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:41,359 Speaker 2: but I mean that's that's as far as a win, right, Hey, 676 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 2: what is a Diamond Baseball Holdings. 677 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,120 Speaker 3: I'm going to be completely honest with you. 678 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,840 Speaker 1: I have not done enough research on that to speak 679 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:56,320 Speaker 1: authoritatively on this podcast. What I can say is, essentially, 680 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 1: Diamond Baseball Holdings is like a private equity firm that 681 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:03,399 Speaker 1: has bought I believe they own now like forty of 682 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:08,280 Speaker 1: the minor league affiliates around baseball. The Astros sold Triple 683 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 1: A Corpus Christy, Double A, Triple A Sugarland, I'm sorry, 684 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,399 Speaker 1: Double A Corpus Christi where Tyler used to work, and 685 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 1: Single A Faille. They sold those two Diamond Baseball Holdings. 686 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,920 Speaker 1: The Astros had previously owned all of their affiliates, which is. 687 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 2: Pretty unique, right, Like that that was weird anyway, it is. 688 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,879 Speaker 1: It's it's weird. It's probably not the word, but it's 689 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,719 Speaker 1: it's not normal. It's there's a lot of teams that 690 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,840 Speaker 1: did not own their own minor league. 691 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:35,759 Speaker 3: Teams but the Astros did. 692 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 1: My understanding is this is not going to impact the 693 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:44,360 Speaker 1: day to day operations of these places. All the employees, 694 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 1: I'm all like, the off field like non baseball employees 695 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 1: are being retained. The gms of all of these teams 696 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:53,400 Speaker 1: are remaining in place. 697 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,880 Speaker 3: Again as of now. Who knows what could happen. 698 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 2: But I never worked at a place that was purchase 699 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,320 Speaker 2: by a private equity firm before a chandler. 700 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:02,799 Speaker 3: I have not. 701 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 2: No, Yeah, that's that's that's the first line is don't worry. 702 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:13,759 Speaker 2: Everything's the same. We'll see about that. But good for 703 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 2: the private equity firm. Glad that they were able to 704 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:21,919 Speaker 2: get three new affiliates something something good's happening for them. 705 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I need to just point blank, I need 706 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:26,960 Speaker 1: to look I need to read more up on it. 707 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,120 Speaker 1: But they dropped that like in the middle of the 708 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 1: day yesterday when I had like fifteen other things that 709 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 1: were taking precedent over who owns the Ashers minor League teams. 710 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,280 Speaker 1: So I need to look more into that, and I will, 711 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:42,680 Speaker 1: and we will talk more about that soon once I 712 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 1: learned more. Trying to think if there's anything else that 713 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 1: was noteworthy. One thing that I don't think this is 714 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 1: a major revelation. 715 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,359 Speaker 3: But one thing Joe A. Spotted did say is. 716 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,680 Speaker 1: That early in the season, you will not see Brian 717 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 1: Bray you're getting four outs. You will not see Josh 718 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 1: Hater getting four outs. Maybe for the whole season, but 719 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,000 Speaker 1: certainly at the beginning of the season. 720 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,359 Speaker 3: Joe A. Spot he made it a point to. 721 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 1: Say that he's got to do a better job of 722 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,840 Speaker 1: maybe not pushing a Bray you and Hater early in 723 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,880 Speaker 1: the season. And certainly we know Josh Hater ended the 724 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 1: season with the shoulder injury, they were always going to 725 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 1: be very cautious with him coming back. I'd be surprised 726 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 1: if he gets more than three outs for the Astros 727 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,600 Speaker 1: at any point next year. But I guess maybe if 728 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 1: they get into September and they have games they have 729 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 1: to have and he feels good. 730 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 3: They could do that. 731 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 1: But gonna put a good bit of maybe pressure is 732 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,800 Speaker 1: the right words, some pressure on you know these guys 733 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 1: that quite frankly no one had ever heard of last 734 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,319 Speaker 1: year that had good years to come back and to 735 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 1: replicate those good years, because I think your days of 736 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,080 Speaker 1: seeing Brian A. Bray you come in with like one 737 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:51,799 Speaker 1: out in the seventh inning to get out of a 738 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,840 Speaker 1: jam and then pitch the eighth inning. 739 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 3: Are probably over. 740 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,319 Speaker 1: I think they will use him for more than three 741 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 1: outs when they have to, when they feel like it's 742 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,360 Speaker 1: a game they have to win, or when he is 743 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,879 Speaker 1: very very arrested, but they want to avoid overworking those 744 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 1: back end guys because that's not a tenable way to 745 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,880 Speaker 1: go about running a bullpen. 746 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,480 Speaker 2: He's a free agent after this season, correct, correct, Yeah, 747 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,879 Speaker 2: they're gonna They're gonna use him when they want to. Then, 748 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:28,120 Speaker 2: uh again, I don't buy that. In December, I think, 749 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,399 Speaker 2: I think when you need four outs, you're gonna see 750 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,560 Speaker 2: Brian a Bray. You get your four outs, because they're 751 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 2: not resigning Brian Abray. You he's on the team. He 752 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:41,239 Speaker 2: is not. You know, he's shown he's capable of doing that. 753 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,680 Speaker 2: We'll see about that. I still am surprised that that 754 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:49,080 Speaker 2: has not been a name floated in trade rumors more. 755 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,800 Speaker 2: You know, if I'm the Ashers and there's for the 756 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,720 Speaker 2: number of holes that the Asheres currently have on their roster, 757 00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,480 Speaker 2: Brian a Bray, you, to me, would make a lot 758 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,759 Speaker 2: of sense as a trade candidate. Not because you don't 759 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,359 Speaker 2: want to have Brian A bray You on your team. 760 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,279 Speaker 2: But because everyone would like to have Briana bray You 761 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 2: on your team, and there's only a handful of relievers 762 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,600 Speaker 2: better than Briana bray You, and you happen to have 763 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,600 Speaker 2: one of them. So you know, I'm just surprised that 764 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:22,480 Speaker 2: that hasn't come up more to try to get something 765 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,719 Speaker 2: from Brian a bray You. But who knows. 766 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,280 Speaker 1: Speaking of people that are not being traded, Dana Brown 767 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 1: was asked yesterday whether Jeremy Paania had come up at 768 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:39,440 Speaker 1: all in any of these trade discussions. Dana's direct quote was, no, 769 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,960 Speaker 1: his name has not come up. And I think teams 770 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,520 Speaker 1: understand if you're a winning team and you're trying to 771 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,359 Speaker 1: go back to the postseason, there's no way you can 772 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,000 Speaker 1: trade your starting shortstop. So the Ashers will not be 773 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:56,120 Speaker 1: trading Jeremy Pania this winter. Next winter could be a 774 00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,680 Speaker 1: different story because he will be in Kyle Tucker's position, 775 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 1: in the same position as Kyle Tucker was one year 776 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:08,359 Speaker 1: left with no real progress on an extension, because not 777 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,560 Speaker 1: even just a Scott Boris client like Jeremy Panya, any 778 00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,399 Speaker 1: player would be foolish to take an extension six months 779 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,799 Speaker 1: before free agency, especially one that is not going to 780 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,960 Speaker 1: blow you out of the water. And as we've talked about, 781 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,520 Speaker 1: the Astros do not blow people out of the water 782 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:27,520 Speaker 1: with their offers. So next year, next winter, when we 783 00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,799 Speaker 1: come to these well, I say we would come to 784 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:30,480 Speaker 1: the winter meetings. 785 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:31,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see. 786 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:33,440 Speaker 3: Don't think we're having the winter meetings. 787 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:33,640 Speaker 1: No. 788 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:35,799 Speaker 2: I don't think they're going to get it solved by 789 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,640 Speaker 2: December eighth of next year. 790 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,600 Speaker 1: I don't either, So we may not be back at 791 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:45,600 Speaker 1: the winter meetings next year. But whenever, whenever trades are 792 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,440 Speaker 1: discussed next year, I would imagine Jeremy Panya will be 793 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,319 Speaker 1: at the forefront of discussions, but they won't be at 794 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,120 Speaker 1: the winter meetings because there probably won't be any winter 795 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:53,799 Speaker 1: meetings next year. 796 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,120 Speaker 3: There were winter meetings this year. 797 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,920 Speaker 1: They were pretty boring from an astro's perspective, but I 798 00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,600 Speaker 1: think gave some insights to what could be coming in 799 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,799 Speaker 1: the next week or so, maybe the next month, as 800 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,320 Speaker 1: Dana Brown, Joe Aspata, and the Baseball operations team sift 801 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,480 Speaker 1: through everything that they heard this week in Orlando. And 802 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:13,839 Speaker 1: I tried to tell you as much as I heard 803 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:18,040 Speaker 1: in Orlando, I hope that this was instructive. 804 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,120 Speaker 3: I hope you guys got something out of it. 805 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,759 Speaker 1: But until next time, you can follow me on X 806 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:23,879 Speaker 1: at Chandler Underscore Room. 807 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,320 Speaker 3: You can follow Tyler at Tyler C. 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