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Speaker 3: Back in on the Herd of Danny parkins in for

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Speaker 3: Colin Cowherd. Chris Philika the Bear joins us in about

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Speaker 3: twenty minutes. But I'm excited about this joining us now

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Speaker 3: on the Herd. The host of the Terrific The Athletics

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Speaker 3: Football Show is my buddy Robert Mays. And you know, Robert,

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Speaker 3: I was thinking about texting you, I was thinking about

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Speaker 3: calling you, and then I was like, now, let's just

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Speaker 3: do it.

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Speaker 4: On national TV.

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Speaker 3: I listened to I listened to your podcast on the

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty four draft class, and you know you you

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Speaker 3: root for the Bears. You're in Chicago. You like me,

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Speaker 3: watched every pass with Caleb Williams last year. But when

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Speaker 3: you did that podcast, you were talking about how you

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Speaker 3: had thought the most question marks were about Caleb, and

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Speaker 3: I was surprised there was definitely plenty of bad He

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Speaker 3: was not as good as many of us thought he

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Speaker 3: was going to be, but there were so many things

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Speaker 3: that contributed to it. I'm wondering if you are feeling

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Speaker 3: better after the preseason game against.

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Speaker 5: Buffalo, It'd be hard not to feel better when you

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Speaker 5: look at how on time and mechanically sound the offense felt.

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Speaker 5: Just watching him operate with a level of urgency and

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Speaker 5: confidence and just the pre snap operation and clearly how

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Speaker 5: in command of that he feels. I've always had faith

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Speaker 5: that with Ben Johnson this could be corrected. I watched

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Speaker 5: what Ben Johnson did with Jared Goff, and I remember

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Speaker 5: what Jared Goff looked like near the end in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 5: So I think there's a big gap that Caleb has

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Speaker 5: to close based on how he played last year. But

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Speaker 5: when you'd go from the worst possible circumstances in terms

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Speaker 5: the intent of certain plays to what is going to

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Speaker 5: it comes to all that stuff, you can see a

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Speaker 5: drastically different result. So I think that I was a

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Speaker 5: little bit worried about some of that stuff last year.

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Speaker 5: I absolutely still have faith that it can get cleaned

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Speaker 5: up with the right coaching, and I think Ben Johnson

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Speaker 3: So what do you believe Calebly It's not necessarily this year,

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Speaker 3: But where do you have him in terms of a ceiling?

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Speaker 3: What can he still become? It's a great question.

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Speaker 5: I don't know exactly where I land on that because

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Speaker 5: I don't know how many quarterbacks are like him in

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Speaker 6: But if you told me, I think is it currently.

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Speaker 5: Stands in the NFL the NFL quarterback hierarchy when you

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Speaker 6: But I think that tier, especially right now, is.

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Speaker 5: Kind of there for the taking, depend on how depending

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Speaker 3: So he's a part of this twenty twenty four draft class,

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Speaker 3: it right. The twenty twenty class had five guys who

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Speaker 5: JJ McCarthy is probably the biggest question mark, just because

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Speaker 5: at last year. Among that entire group was Caleb Williams,

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Speaker 5: they should have had absolutely no shock or even be

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Speaker 6: So we'll see what happens this year.

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Speaker 5: I think there are still reasonable questions about all of

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Speaker 3: So I want to talk to you about Trevor Lawrence

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Speaker 3: because he is the same age as Bo Nix and

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Speaker 4: That he can be that guy.

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Speaker 3: How do you look at it now with the situation

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Speaker 6: I think that's a great way to frame it.

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Speaker 5: And if he's not going to succeed in these circumstances

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Speaker 5: But when you think about the construction of the offense

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Speaker 5: Mayfield in Tampa last year, it's just a drastically different

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Speaker 6: And it's funny. We're doing the AFC.

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Speaker 5: South preview on our show today and for each team

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Speaker 5: we're talking about what is success, and for me and

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Speaker 5: the Jags, part of their successful twenty twenty five would

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Speaker 3: That's an interesting way to frame it. I do think

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Speaker 3: the most interesting guy maybe in the NFL this year

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Speaker 3: a weird record. I know that not everybody knows that

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Speaker 3: Malcolm Jenkins has the most snaps of any player in

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Speaker 3: What do you expect from Travis Hunter in year one?

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Speaker 3: Something we've never seen before.

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Speaker 5: I don't think we've ever seen somebody play on both

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Speaker 6: Clip that he is going to do it.

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Speaker 5: Even watching the mechanics of what their practices were like

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Speaker 5: when I was down in training camp in Jacksonville, watching

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Speaker 5: the middle of a practice. We've never seen anything like this,

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Speaker 5: And it was probably ninety eight degrees and just disgustingly

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Speaker 5: The way the amount of gas he has in the tank.

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Speaker 5: We should study him. I've never seen anybody like it,

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Speaker 5: and they know that even beyond the amount of snaps

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Speaker 5: don't think we've ever seen anything like it before.

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Speaker 3: We'll get into the specifics of the my A thing

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Speaker 3: a post Leveon Bell world, it doesn't really happen. Chris

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Speaker 3: Terry McLaurin, Trey Hendrickson, and Micah Parsons. Do you expect

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Speaker 5: I do, just because of precedent, and I know you

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Speaker 5: were talking about Micah before I came on, And I

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Speaker 5: think the Okham's razor approach to this is typically how

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Speaker 5: I do it. Like the simplest answer, and the answer

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Speaker 5: that we've seen before is the answer that we'll see again.

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Speaker 5: All of them have subtle differences between them, but these

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Speaker 6: I don't think they want to be missing game checks.

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Speaker 5: And every single one of these teams has aspirations for

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Speaker 5: If none of these guys are on the field week one.

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Speaker 5: I just tend to think the way the league currently works,

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Speaker 5: like you just said, most of this stuff gets sorted

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Speaker 3: The McLaurin and Hendrickson ones, though right Like McLaurin, I

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Speaker 3: pay him, but he probably isn't as good as AJ Browns.

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Speaker 3: I could see there being some disagreement there. Hendrickson is like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: Michael Parsons is just like universally regarded as a top three,

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Speaker 3: top five defensive player in football for the team that

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Speaker 3: drafted him coming off of his rookie contract. It should

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Speaker 3: be easy, but for some reason, Jerry Jones doesn't want

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Speaker 3: players that are on the Cowboys. It's all ridiculous. What

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Speaker 6: Jerry is pt Burnham.

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Speaker 5: I mean that's what he has been for way too long,

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Speaker 3: What do you make of a team that's supposed to

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Speaker 6: We don't do that with anyone else.

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Speaker 5: We don't wish for the best version of every other

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Speaker 6: I will say they have built.

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Speaker 5: In contingencies with this version of it they have not

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Speaker 3: So this is not a story that you guys would

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Speaker 5: We know how this stuff, You know, you have to

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Speaker 6: I'm not surprised by this.

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Speaker 5: I just think overall, the breathless coverage of every moment

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Speaker 6: Based on how the past month has gone.

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Speaker 3: All right, last one, who's winning the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 5: It pains me to say it, but I'm probably gonna

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Speaker 3: Robert May is from The Athletic Football Show. I love listen, man,

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Speaker 3: this was fun.

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Speaker 6: Thank you anytime, Bud.

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Speaker 4: Appreciate you.

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Speaker 6: Man.

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Speaker 3: That's Robert Mays from the Athletic Football Show. It's a

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Speaker 3: great listen. You should check it out, all right. So

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Speaker 3: Robert Mays on the record with the Ravens and I

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Speaker 3: Chris Felika the Bear, He's gonna help us make some money,

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Speaker 3: bear bets coming.

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Speaker 6: Up The Herd.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and newon Easter nine am.

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Speaker 6: Back bro.

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Speaker 9: Is the elder statesman of the show.

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Speaker 6: Would you like to make the announcement?

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Speaker 4: Sure, we've announced it already, I.

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Speaker 6: Know now we have. We didn't announce a date. We

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Speaker 9: We didn't announce the time.

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Speaker 6: The first is moving to three hours. We will now

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Speaker 4: There we go.

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Speaker 9: That's the big news.

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Speaker 4: And you're right.

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Speaker 10: We didn't announce the time because a lot of people

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Speaker 9: I haven't announced the date and still hasn't announced the date.

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Speaker 4: The date.

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Speaker 9: Yes, it's August, August twenty fifth. It's the Starter Predictions week.

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Speaker 10: Guys, this is I'm I'm disappointed in you.

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Speaker 9: This press we know the listen camera here. First things first,

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Speaker 9: First things first, Starting Predictions August twenty fifth, It's gonna

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Speaker 9: what's happening. Starting Predictions week Monday, August twenty.

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Speaker 10: If you have a good take, the show's over.

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Speaker 4: Sudden deaths not how it works.

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Speaker 10: We start with a man halfway through the take, you

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Speaker 10: Everyone gets a chance. If you're gonna gotten death, you

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Speaker 9: This guy starts the mornings the grumpy, and then right

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Speaker 4: I'll be there with Brunick and Wild.

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Speaker 3: Greg Jennings is in next week, but those guys will

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Speaker 3: our guy Jeff Schwartz, Chris the Bear FeliCa. We will

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Speaker 3: do mostly football and Bear. Thank you as always for

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Speaker 3: making time for us. But the Brewers are on this

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Speaker 3: unbelievable run. It is completely crazy. They have been dominant,

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Speaker 3: They have passed the Cubs, they have lapped the Cubs.

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Speaker 3: They are the best team in baseball, but they do

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Speaker 3: not have anywhere near the best odds to win the

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Speaker 3: World Series. What do you make of the split between

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Speaker 3: the regular season accomplishment and the odds makers For.

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Speaker 11: The Brewers, it feels to me a little like the

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Speaker 11: Orioles a couple of years ago when they finally broke

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Speaker 11: through and made the playoffs and had that great regular

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Speaker 11: season run and then we're.

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Speaker 6: A quick knockout in the playoffs.

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Speaker 11: I mean, Brewers have had their troubles in the playoffs

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Speaker 11: in recent years when they've made it. I just worry

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Speaker 11: if this type of run that they are on is sustainable.

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Speaker 11: You look at a lot of the advanced numbers, like

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Speaker 11: their last in the major leagues, and like barrel rate,

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Speaker 11: which is like a heart hit percentage. Someone was telling

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Speaker 11: me that they also scored like forty more unearned runs

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Speaker 11: and the next closest team in baseball they lead the

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Speaker 11: league and infield hits. So it's like a lot of

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Speaker 11: little things and over the course of a year, you

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Speaker 11: can kind of build on. But in a short series,

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Speaker 11: as we've seen so much in baseball, anything can happen.

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Speaker 11: Despite having some really good starting pitching and might they

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Speaker 11: might get a Nobody beats.

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Speaker 6: The miss back here pretty soon too.

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Speaker 3: All right, So then let's get to football. We got

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Speaker 3: week zero upon us here. People have not been you know,

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Speaker 3: they dive in, they play catch up once the season

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Speaker 3: actually begins, but that's not something that you've been doing.

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Speaker 3: What are some early bets that you like for the

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Speaker 3: beginning of college football?

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Speaker 11: The game, but the game in Dublin tomorrow was a

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Speaker 11: game that I've had my eye on. Iowa State against

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Speaker 11: Kansas State, two teams that are certainly in the mix

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Speaker 11: to take home that big twelve time I'll get to

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Speaker 11: the college football playoff. I laid the three here with

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Speaker 11: Kansas State once it hit three. Last year, Iowa State

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Speaker 11: had one of their best teams and best seasons in

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Speaker 11: school history. They be Kansas State twenty nine to twenty

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Speaker 11: one innings. In order to do that, they needed to

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Speaker 11: be plus two in turnovers, get a twenty one yard

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Speaker 11: field goal blocked, have Kansas State go four to seventeen

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Speaker 11: on third and fourth down, including a fourth and two

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Speaker 11: drop late in the game. There were a lot of

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Speaker 11: things that went Kansas State went against Kansas State rather

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Speaker 11: last year. You look at the way Iowa State, the

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Speaker 11: way they defend the run with their formation defensively, this

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Speaker 11: three three three kind of unique stack that they run.

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Speaker 11: I'm not sure that's going to be the best way

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Speaker 11: to slow down Dylan Edwards the running back, and Avery

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Speaker 11: Johnson the quarterback. In Irvin the running back transfer from

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Speaker 11: Nebraska as well. If they're in third and two all game,

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Speaker 11: I think it could be a pretty long day for

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Speaker 11: Iowa State. So I'm looking forward to getting to games

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Speaker 11: in a couple of weeks with Big Nion kick gooff.

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Speaker 11: But I do like Kansas State tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Futures in college football that we haven't discussed yet.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I think there are two that we haven't necessarily discussed.

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Speaker 11: I bet Miami you can get them anywhere from like

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Speaker 11: plus one seventy five to plus two hundred to make

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Speaker 11: the college football Playoff.

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Speaker 6: I think their schedule is very susceptible to that.

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Speaker 11: You year great things about what Carson Beck has done

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Speaker 11: in scrimmages and in practice, developing a real rapport with

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Speaker 11: a lot of those young wide receivers, great offensive line,

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Speaker 11: defense should be much improved. Big game next week against

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Speaker 11: Notre Dame where the winner I think you're really going

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Speaker 11: to see their stock improve on that. And then I

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Speaker 11: bet LSU plus seven hundred to win the SEC. I

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Speaker 11: don't think the gap between Georgia, Alabama, Texas and LSU

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Speaker 11: is really that great. And I wonder if LSU is

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Speaker 11: the best team people just amongst the well Texas has

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Speaker 11: arch Manning hype. Alabama is Alabama. Alabama will be back

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Speaker 11: for sure, Ryan Grubbs there now, but yeah, Alabama. The

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Speaker 11: large part of Alabama was Nick Saban who was no

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Speaker 11: longer there. And then you have Georgia where Condunnar Stockton.

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Speaker 11: Is he really going to be the guy?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 11: We got to trust Kirby and trusted that's I think

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Speaker 11: there are a lot of narratives going around the SEC

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Speaker 11: and LS you might wind up being the best team

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Speaker 11: of the bunch.

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Speaker 4: Let's go to the pro game.

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Speaker 6: Bear.

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Speaker 3: I always say betting favorites, weighing odds, it's not boring

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Speaker 3: if it wins. But people like long shots, they like

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Speaker 3: dark horses. Do you have in the awards market a

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Speaker 3: dark horse MVP candidate?

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Speaker 4: This NFL season.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I.

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Speaker 11: Think Prock Purdy is someone who excuse me, he was

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Speaker 11: gonna win the award a couple of years ago until

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Speaker 11: he just had that terrible game on Monday night, head

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Speaker 11: to head against Lamar Jackson and the Ravens. You can

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Speaker 11: get Purdy around twenty eight to one or so to

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Speaker 11: win MVP. We know it's going to go to a quarterback.

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Speaker 11: It always goes through a quarterback, and that's not going

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Speaker 11: to change this year. But party's about as low on

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Speaker 11: the board as I would go. The Niners schedule is

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Speaker 11: one of the easiest in the league, and if he

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Speaker 11: already do it this year, maybe they win twelve thirteen

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Speaker 11: games with that schedule, with the group of receivers that

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Speaker 11: he has, like, I think a lot more people will

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Speaker 11: be willing to recognize. Okay, he got the deal. He

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Speaker 11: earned it. He led the Niners team to a division

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Speaker 11: title in ADIA, a one or a two seat in

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Speaker 11: the NFC. He's someone that I think possesses a good

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Speaker 11: bit of value there because, like I said, a couple

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Speaker 11: of years ago, he was a short shot to win it,

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Speaker 11: and then he had that one terrible game. But the

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Speaker 11: Niners were a team I think you're going to say

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Speaker 11: massive improvement on this year in terms of their wins,

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Speaker 11: and of course that's going to help not only brock Purty,

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Speaker 11: it's going to help Bosa in the Expensive Player of

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Speaker 11: the Year, Mickel Williams in Defensive Rookie of the Year,

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Speaker 11: and Seemac in the Offensive Player of the Year category.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you just mentioned Mickel Williams. The awards market's a

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Speaker 3: fun one to bet, and you know Travis Hunter is

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Speaker 3: not sneaking up on anybody, and you can bet him

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Speaker 3: to win both Offensive Rookie of the Year and Defensive

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Speaker 3: Rookie of the Year.

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Speaker 4: I'm just so excited to watch him play.

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Speaker 3: I don't have any investment and do you see any

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Speaker 3: investment opportunity in this market around Tray Hunter.

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Speaker 11: I do not necessarily betting Hunter himself because I'm really

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Speaker 11: curious to see how he performs in the National Football

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Speaker 11: League at this level, potentially playing both ways. He was

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Speaker 11: someone who I actually had a Heisman bet on last year,

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Speaker 11: so I thank you Travis for that nice gift around

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Speaker 11: the holidays, But I think it does create value elsewhere

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Speaker 11: in the offensive Rookie of the Year market. I've bet

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Speaker 11: at Mecca Abuka the Buccaneers wide receiver. You know he's

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Speaker 11: going to be in an offense that throws the ball off.

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Speaker 11: They have some wide receiver injuries. Of course, Mike Evans

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Speaker 11: is always there. He's going to see a lot of targets,

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Speaker 11: a lot of catches. He was dependable at Ohio State.

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Speaker 11: He's anywhere between like twenty five, twenty eight, thirty to one.

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Speaker 11: So I think Abuka is a wide receiver worth looking at.

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Speaker 11: And then I mentioned Mickel Williams in the defensive player

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Speaker 11: at Rookie of the Year market as well being opposite

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Speaker 11: Nick Bosup on that defensive line with Robert slim Back

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Speaker 11: at coordinator. I mentioned the schedule, he should get a

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Speaker 11: lot of opportunity to be a very disruptive pass rusher

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Speaker 11: that this year he's writer and I think like ten eleven,

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Speaker 11: twelfth to one or right.

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Speaker 6: Now as well. So those those are two guys that

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Speaker 6: I have my eyes added investment on.

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Speaker 3: Bear people bet, you know, they bet on Sunday, right

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Speaker 3: before kickoff.

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Speaker 4: They bet their futures.

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Speaker 3: Right before the season kicks off, even though the numbers

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Speaker 3: have been posted for forever. And then we're so starved

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Speaker 3: for football information and football content that we can take

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Speaker 3: little morsels of training camp reports or preseason games and

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Speaker 3: extrapolated out where do you see preseason results impacting NFL

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Speaker 3: gambling markets?

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Speaker 11: But I think you can certainly see it in like

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Speaker 11: the rookie of the year markets, because we really don't

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Speaker 11: know what type of roles these guys are going to have.

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Speaker 6: Jackson Dart I think it's a perfect example of that.

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Speaker 11: He's someone who I think a lot of people were

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Speaker 11: high on Jackson Dart, and a lot of people might

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Speaker 11: have thought he could have been QB one or QB two,

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Speaker 11: certainly in this draft end. We've seen him play great

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Speaker 11: in the preseason. Now we know Russell Wilson is going

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Speaker 11: to be the starter there. But maybe if the Giants

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Speaker 11: get off to a slow start and Dart winds up playing,

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Speaker 11: he's taking money in the offensive rookie of the Year market.

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Speaker 6: Do you think he's down to like twenty three to

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Speaker 6: one or so?

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Speaker 11: So Dart is someone to pay attention to watch these rookies,

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Speaker 11: and the other thing in a greater macro tree top

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Speaker 11: point of view, watching a team like the Lions and

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Speaker 11: their backups like they're the backup. Sure, you don't want

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Speaker 11: to jump to a conclusion and say the Lions aren't

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Speaker 11: going to have a good year, but if they're forced

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Speaker 11: to play a lot of these guys that have been

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Speaker 11: playing in these preseason games. Jos Schwartz pointed this out

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Speaker 11: the other day on Baar Bets like they could potentially

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Speaker 11: be in trouble special with a very difficult road schedule.

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Speaker 6: Bear, thank you so much for the time.

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Speaker 3: We will be watching Big newon kickoff and of course

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Speaker 3: be listening to Bear bets man may all your bets cover.

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Speaker 6: Thank you sir, absolutely thanks, Dannie, Well see you soon.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely can't wait to see you. That is Chris the

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Speaker 3: Bear Felika. You can see me coming up in for

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Speaker 3: first things first, not just in as a guest on

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Speaker 3: the show. The show expands from three to five Eastern

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Speaker 3: to three to six Eastern starting on Monday. Cannot wait

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Speaker 3: to be a part of the five to six pm Eastern,

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Speaker 3: every single day fun show today. Thanks to toront Armstead

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Speaker 3: and Tom Berducci and Robert Mays and the Bear everyone

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Speaker 3: here at the Herd for making me feel so welcome

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Speaker 3: as always. Colin is off next week, but Jay Mack

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Speaker 3: is back with Rachel Nichols, so you're in very good

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Speaker 3: hands next week again catch me on first things first.

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Speaker 4: Newly expanded three to six next week. This is the

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Speaker 4: herd